Agree, but he immediately take any foolish comment as good/correct if it is related bjp, he would have counter all those blame if only their is a change in party, and sadly he is playing party party in pakistan he even though he not goona receive vote from pakistan and disgracefully demolishing fame of bjp, he should act as an indian not just congress representative 😀
@@asifrajput7030 he has to act anti bjp because of his indian audience watching him. Personally I believe he is one of the few politicians who actually believes in what he says.
@@Faheezyb Kashmiri Muslims are the majority in the state. They can easily govern the state. Why do they want to hold the Ladakh and Jammu districts which are not ethnic Kashmiri to ransom? Kashmiris who intend to form a Islamic Republic or to merge with Pakistan, are oblivious to the rights and welfare of minorities. All this when Kashmiri Muslims are concentrated in a very limited geographic location. To conclude, Kashmiris are not being patient. They are speaking the language of gun. So be it.
Subodh Mishra: The person who planned 9/11 was a mastermind. But mostly it is said that it was a US-made plan. Before the US there was no other option to interfere in the Muslim world. Keep in mind 'cold war' was ended and the former USSR was dismembered in 1991 so American justification of interference in different parts of the world particularly in the oil and gas-rich Middle East was over. So they coined 9/11.
@USMAN ZAIB Baloch freedom movement is a well known fact. Laughing it off will not push it under the carpet . I guess you don't know that several Chinese investments are held up even now because of the Baloch resistance . Or that all CPEC projects being implemented there are done under heavy military presence .
@USMAN ZAIB As if we don't know what's going on inside your PoK. That's y you people force the Kashmiris to stay in Punjab and bring the forces to their land.... You may watch the defensive offence channel and get to know how the Kashmiris are happy with India and don't want to stay with the terror land of NaPakPorkistan
@samson for you Or jab ak Kaum apni zaban ko chor k angrezon ki language ko ahmiyat deti ha or jab ap k ghar aa k log apko apni zaban chorny pe majboor kr den to ye samson waly zehn dunia k samny aaty hn 😂😂😂
From Pak🕊I wanted to hear Dr. S. Tahroor views but Moeed Pirzada & panelists didn’t let him speak... which was extremely annoying. Wish they read, respond & learn from these comments.
Atleast they give him opportunity to speak and show some professionalism unlike your propaganda media where ignorant like Arnab goswami is only there to shout and silence the guests by abusing and shouting
Atal ji conducted bus yatra to Pakistan to build confidence between two countries what is consequence of it ,it was KARGIL. what we can expect from pak if we demilitarize SIACHIN or J&K. You have your version we have ours but one thing to say is that if Pakistanis take concrete steps for trust building this will an end for India-Pakistan conflict.
@@inamdurrani9259 instead of believing your stupid media..refer authentic websites like wikipedia and understand the real face of your country pakistan
@@inamdurrani9259 - PK army was planning on occupying it. IN sources came to know abt it from intelligence sources and so occupied Siachen exactly 13 days before PK came to occupy it and found it occupied. Mind you - the territory was not demarcated - and that is what the dispute is what it is all about. How to interpret the language. :-)
Brilliant interview, very insightful discussion. We should have more discussions like these and hopefully we can have more meaningful discussions. These interviews can also play a vital role in neutralizing minds on both sides. Thank you from 🇵🇰
Take a reality check dude. We are neutral. Pakistan always forced war on India. We dint provoked you once. And i know you wont believe it because you are brainwashed in the name of kashmir. Read the whole history of kashmir.. see who is guilty. Who voilated the UN resolutions. Who betrayed the king of kashmir during partition.... you need to think and then we can neutralize.
@@thugfurqan you dint happen to see how impatient the anchor is while asking question. Critisizing modi is the only thing pak is left with? You dont know even 10% of what the reality is. See the truth. You have the sources now. Search what modi did for indians citizens over past 7 years of his governance including muslims. You are brainwashed in the name of hatred. Thank you. Have a good day.
Let me bring you back to the point and remind you that programs like these are not a battle or match where one loses and other wins. Seeing everything in these terms is a symptom of polarisation. I found this discussion to be meaningful, all the partcipants shared their point of view, a rare sight in talk shows and even more rare when its about Pakistan and India. I believe discussions like these will contribute towards creation of the enabling environment in which productive, constructive talks can happen between two countries which can repair the relations. Seeing things only in black and white has brought here, maybe seeing things from each other’s angle and in shades of gray might help.
@@thugfurqan we are a secular nation. We always wanted peace. Go back and dig into history. But now India has made its narrative ver clear that "war and talk cannot go side by side". I hope you find the talks very good. I hope your administration shows some maturity and get educated to talk on several issue. When your PM without any facts, figure or prove term our PM as a fascist,extremist govt then what you think we will have peace with this kind of childish behaviour on an international level?
Good that now India is not so benevolent and generous to these people, they don't deserve anything. Tharoor was trying to do progressive talk but Pakistanis weren't ready to move on and have good ties, and now they are suffering.
Irony is they talk about Gujarat riots but never talk how it started. They talk about Kashmir conflict but never about Kashmiri pandits. I don’t say what happened in Gujarat or what’s happening in Kashmir is right but if we are discussing these issues than at least discuss both sides of coin. BTW they called 9/11 chota sa humla 🤣
As a Pakistani I am ashamed at the intellectual difference between Shashi Tharoor and the Pakistani Panelist. The Pakistani side do not even respect the decorum. Moeed Pirzada (The host) is the only knowledgeable guy who speaks reason.
From Pak🕊I salute Dr S. Tahroor for being extremely patient. He certainly is more knowledgeable than Pak. Panelist’s Naseem Zehra, Aijaz & Mr Moeed Pirzada but they didn’t let him respond...sadly. They need to be trained how to phrase Qs instead of expressing their opinions & to show off their knowledge. They should show respect to the guest by letting him speak more.
As an Indian it was nice to just listen to the opinions of Naseem, Aijaz & Moeed actually, so I was glad Shashi listened as well - we don't get to hear the Pakistani side of things much here in India
He used to be neutral and a reasonably unbiased anchor earlier. But he is no longer that. Not any more. He is now become a Pakistani army/establishment stooge. Also his family emigrated to PK from Srinagar.
Moeed Pirzada is one of the biggest Pakistani apologist ever. I don't think he could ever be described as unbiased. He wasn't even being unbaised in this interview.
Dr. Tharoor , For Pakistan, It seems that Attacking Indian Parliament wasn't a big deal for them. They were n't aware of the consequences, if this terror attack would be successful,. We might have lost our prime minister. So pakistanis doesn't take terrorism seriously. And if you peak against terrorism, they take it in their prestige.
They don’t have the basic knowledge of the rules to follow in a group debate: not to cut off someone even before the person has made a point, respect the participant in a group debate, leading a debate in a structured manner. Things looks very incoherent and leading nowhere. I can clearly see lack of knowledge and communication skills.
I wish that we stop reminding each other as to who did what. We have much bigger issues at hand; overpopulation, illiteracy, poverty, religious extremism on both sides. We are not each other's enemies. Our enemies are outsiders. I must say that Dr. Throor handled this discussion splendidly. I am a fan. (Please do not look at this discussion as a bashing competition; it was not. Thank you.)
@@rajendrachandel if he started speaking according to the indian narrative then what would be the difference between intellectuals and aam admi? I think its great he didn't do an eye for eye.
Yes. Thats true. There could be lot of trade, tourism. In fact many of Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Jain sacred sites are in Pakistan which can be good for tourism so are many Muslim sacred sites in India. Even Musharaff visited one. Many movies, sports events can be there. Bangladesh and India adjusted their complex boundaries recently during Modi first term. Hopefully India and Pakistan can resolve Siachen glacuer, Sir Creek and Kashmir boundaries then biggest problem is gone. To simply put it, good diplomatic talks can do this instead of armed intruders into Kashmir to instigate locals to fight for freedom. Same for Pakistan, they can deal with Balochistan and NWFP Pashtuns with a diplomatic talk. Because violence leads to no peace. We saw in Afghanistan now what 3 decades of US war led to, ultimately they replaced Taliban with Taliban. Another main issue is corruption in both countries which should be removed to develop both countries. Demilitarisation of Siachen and surroundings will save lives of both countries.
They were talking about Pakistan aspect all the time, and were expecting Dr. Tharoor would nod at every point, but they themselves didn’t absorbed the Indian narrative which is true. They believe in the narrative of thousand cuts and India to not react. Dr. Tharoor should have made even more stronger points. He agreed on few points which is not only objectionable but dejected.
@Make in India I don't agree with you at all. With so many intelligent and popular leaders they think themselves as superior to others. But they all accept they are all beneath the Gandhi family that's why they are together. But they have to keep their egos aside and come together as a more powerful opposition which Indian democracy lacks.
Well its not his fault. He feels more comfortable in english than hindi. He can speak hindi quite well, but not to the level of english, in which he was educated.
@Fahad Wasi I disagree! There are people I know who have been living in western countries for quite some time and still speak in broken English! and there are many 6-7-year-olds in India who have never stepped abroad but still speak impeccable English. These kids read and read a lot. and that makes all the difference.
Indians dont understand what discourse with respect looks like. Everything is about "Dhum tana tana" "3 v/s 1" 1 man beating 50 with cheap CGI, ideology.
Pakistan always remembers Gujarat riots, but it was reactions to GODHRA Train massacre never remembered. Likewise, Kashmiris were attacked looted n raped by Pakistan army in the guise of kabailis 1947 n Indian army with Kashmiri faced together the attack . And now Kashmiris don't like to be with India , Zia rule gift of radicalization in the Vally, which thrown out kashmiri pundits n Hindus, has no mention in the debate . . Shashi Tharoor being in Pakistan seems by face n in words could not say what he wanted to.
@Mr.Restless Tum log bhi bhai apni duniya mein rhte ho. Mulk tumhara donation pe chl rha hai baat tum referendum ki kar rhe ho. Thoda pad likh lo achi taalim haasil kar lo nahi to history mein majak ban ke rh jayoge.
@@manishbisht693 donations dena islamic way of helping each other.koi gun point per nhn leta balke apni wish se log donate krtay hein.btw India ka total external debt pakistan se bahut ziada hai.Aur hum History khud banaty hein.
Instead of fighting on border, let’s fight on tv. If Pak agrees to stop terrorism, I am willing to tolerate weekly debates that use conspiracy theories as their source
18:10 What happened in Kashmir in Name of Human Rights Violation is that I can recall is the word "Kashmiri Pandits had to leave their home". Then how Pakstn is worried about them if the militants were Muslims only
Finally -it’s a simple story -the oft repeated about the Pakistan Army owning a nation is what it’s all about. How best to keep your perceived importance up, except to prevent peace with your neighbor - that’s the crux of it -no more, no less 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Pakistanis are less insecure than us Indians, can you imagine an Indian news channel do the same with a Pakistani spokesperson and have such a civil conversation with them? No, they will instantly be labeled anti national, and their TRP will drop because the common Indian is very insecure. Of course it was Republic Tv, Times Now or Zee news then the story would be very different, they would simply call a Pakistani panelist to berate him and scream over him only to congratulate themselves as don't even let the Pakistani panelist speak. I think we as Indians can learn something from our neighbours. Forget about Pakistan, I don't think shashi tharoor or indeed anyone can have such an open conversation on Indian media about India's geopolitics today, imagine a news channel telling Indians that the Indian supreme Court did not find Pakistan complicit in the parliament attack, there would be a riot.
Talks with Pakistan is futile, the very birth of Pakistan is from Indian / Hindu hatred so any amount of talk is a waste of time and effort. If we can disintegrate the Pakistan in to various smaller countries that will be a great next step towards the security of India. Also we must stop equate ourself with the beggar state Pakistan. We must show them their position.
WTF when you say 9/11 was a very small attack? No terrorist attack is a small attack. It May be normal in PAK but it is condemnable. Every country should be capable to avenge it.
@@mohsinzafardailyvlog Really your mother father tongue, where are you from Punjabi, Sindhi or nwf. What you know about Urdu? For hints to you it is mixed up language with some hindi and parisian by dictation and finally mix up with some bloody Arabic. So what you like, your mother tongue language or forced by someone on you like Urdu. Can I hope to you some intellectual answer or as usual Pakistani answer.
My rent agent is a friendly Pakistan guy in Australia. His father worked in High Commission. I know him more than a year and we had many good conversations but Kashmir, wars, religion never came into discussion as we see in social media.
32:45 Earlier when they were talking about demilitarising border, mutually sign on defined border lines & fishermen issue, i understood it was for the economic and humanitarian welfare of both our countrymen. But when they slipped in separation of Kashmir which has nothing to do with the benefit of Pakistanis but only fuelled by vengeance and motive of revenge, It makes me worry they wont stop terrorist activities in that region.
If this is the mindset of the so called Pakistani intellectual, then you can imagine the common citizen in Pakistan. The whole world knows what Pakistan is doing.
As an Indian I must say there is a lot of double standards and hypocrisy from our side.We have made mistakes too but always pretend and pose ourselves as upright and innocent which we are not
@@Sanjay-br9ix yes bro/sister,after listening to Moeed Peerzada that Jinnah did not demand for a separate country but was happy with confederation ,I am literally incensed with Nehru and Gandhi -architects of partition and bloodshed in my opinion
Shashi Tharoor does not believe in one upmanship. He tries his best to keep other panelists in a comfortable position, at the same time nails his convictions. This gentlemanly quality can achieve a lot, especially peace and friendship. Hardliners on both sides have held fort until now. They only bring destruction which we have seen on both sides.
BJP policy removed kashmiri pandit from kashmir and Shashi is aggering on it. Shashi are you serious. Who was in center at that time? Congress. Shashi please don't play those card in Pakistan.
@@shaikziyad9866 It is not about the government ,it is about the fact that they were forcefully expelled from the valley in the name of Islamisation , Radicalism and feeding fear of death to all the Kashmiri pandits.
Love Naseem Zehra! She’s so comfortable in her skin and in her language. No pretentiousness about her and really inspires others to take after her. Succint, knows what to say and when with clarity. Agrees to disagree where she has to. Such an overall boss. She makes me proud.
How is this a fair discussion where 3 people including the host is attacking one man.Pitiful attempt.Shashi Tharoor is really brave to do it.I admire him very much but I do hope he attends these in an evenly divided forum and an unbiased host.
Can a Pakistani politician come to India and be so outspoken? and then they say Pakistan doesnt want peace -_- .... or perhaps India used to be different when this interview would shot.
@Alone yes buddy, i am not talking about past, but in 2021 the factual situation is, that Pakistan wants peace with India, because it is in Pakistan's interest, while India (Modi govt.) does not want peace, because it is entirely against their political narrative...
Pakistani panelists did not let Dr. Tharoor speak , which is really unfortunate and disappointing. This programme was for getting the point of view of Dr Tharoor. Dr Moeed Pirzada should have intervened and should have cut the monologue of these panelists. It was disturbing to watch and I'm really impressed by the patience of Dr Tharoor. Salute to you sir
Watching this now...seeing how our Indian mentality was begging for peace while they called out terror in their nation against us. Now, how the current leadership turned the tables by COMPLETELY ignoring them. Now let them yell Kashmir. Let them go to UN. No one cares. Neither does the Gulf. Let them keep begging for money. We forge ahead.
Indian Statement is correct,remember 1948,1965,1971,1999,attack on TAJ,Parliament and you state that India has done it these are the reasons There can not be friendship between Pak and India because Pakistan decided to be separated from India so you people are wastaging time.Your speech is within your room
Honestly, unfortunately, Indians are not used to this. The regular Indian sees Pakistanis usually on news channels like Republic and Times Now where all they do is call a Pakistani panelist and abuse them. Unfortunately our hubris may very well be our downfall.
Shashi isn't only a great speaker but also a great listener as well
Absolutely....
LOL. He didn't have a choice!
Agree, but he immediately take any foolish comment as good/correct if it is related bjp, he would have counter all those blame if only their is a change in party, and sadly he is playing party party in pakistan he even though he not goona receive vote from pakistan and disgracefully demolishing fame of bjp, he should act as an indian not just congress representative 😀
@@asifrajput7030 he has to act anti bjp because of his indian audience watching him. Personally I believe he is one of the few politicians who actually believes in what he says.
Thankfully hes not a grt Killer 😁
Patience of Dr Shashi is remarkable
That's all I can observe as well.
The Patience of Kashmirs is far more remarkable than anybody listening the arguments of the opposite side on a table.
@@Faheezyb Kashmiri Muslims are the majority in the state. They can easily govern the state.
Why do they want to hold the Ladakh and Jammu districts which are not ethnic Kashmiri to ransom?
Kashmiris who intend to form a Islamic Republic or to merge with Pakistan, are oblivious to the rights and welfare of minorities. All this when Kashmiri Muslims are concentrated in a very limited geographic location.
To conclude, Kashmiris are not being patient. They are speaking the language of gun. So be it.
Seriously a person like him can steal Kashmiri hearts just by his smiles and attitude, all we need is love and understanding
आइशा पर फोकस कर यार ,बाकी बातों में दम नही है।
My left ear enjoyed this debate👍
Love for shashi tharoor and my Indian brothers and sisters
..warm wishes from Pakistan
Pakistani here. I love Dr Shashi tharoor's talk. Thank you Dr peerzada for hosting him.
Wow, they just called 9/11 a "small attack"
Subodh Mishra: The person who planned 9/11 was a mastermind. But mostly it is said that it was a US-made plan. Before the US there was no other option to interfere in the Muslim world. Keep in mind 'cold war' was ended and the former USSR was dismembered in 1991 so American justification of interference in different parts of the world particularly in the oil and gas-rich Middle East was over. So they coined 9/11.
@@aleempervaiz8789 thanks for letting me know what you feel. Dispelled a lot of doubts :)
subodh bhai kan chalichi eie? :P
@@SubodhMishrasubEE : Thanks.
@@BS-nj5dr gote khusi aau ;)
Why do they keep talking about Gujarat?
I think they don't know about the godhra train incident
That is the problem. Even while discussing Kashmir no one talks about the plight of the pandits.
@USMAN ZAIB and what about Balochistan and Gilgit baltistan?
They want freedom too
@USMAN ZAIB Baloch freedom movement is a well known fact. Laughing it off will not push it under the carpet . I guess you don't know that several Chinese investments are held up even now because of the Baloch resistance . Or that all CPEC projects being implemented there are done under heavy military presence .
@@jumper030281 maybe if we stop blaming each other...
@USMAN ZAIB As if we don't know what's going on inside your PoK. That's y you people force the Kashmiris to stay in Punjab and bring the forces to their land.... You may watch the defensive offence channel and get to know how the Kashmiris are happy with India and don't want to stay with the terror land of NaPakPorkistan
After seeing this conversation, I feel that Dr. Tharoor is torturing them mentally by speaking English so fluently 😄👍
@Fahad Wasi abey chocho dr moeed peerzaada k baary search kr
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Felt the same,that’s why these people are bringing IK , Oxford n others here
Does your PM speak English so fluently too?😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He doesn't even know ABC of it
No it's because he's not fluent in urdu. He is angrez
@samson for you
Or jab ak Kaum apni zaban ko chor k angrezon ki language ko ahmiyat deti ha or jab ap k ghar aa k log apko apni zaban chorny pe majboor kr den to ye samson waly zehn dunia k samny aaty hn 😂😂😂
From Pak🕊I wanted to hear Dr. S. Tahroor views but Moeed Pirzada & panelists didn’t let him speak... which was extremely annoying. Wish they read, respond & learn from these comments.
Yes... Dats waste of resource... Though not here Moeed was very wise too.. commendable....
He is a PM material, but as long as Gandhis are there he can't.
So true, I agree 100%
Why ?? He should be a pm
True.
PM material who left his wife in a hotel room alone to die 😁
But he generally speaks against hindu interests and supports muslims in way he justifies congress aligning with muslim league
Well tharoor was MUCH less aggressive than what he can be.
He can just be aggressive against BJP.
I think Mr. Tharoor did his best. For all we know he had a cannon aimed at him from the wings :)
@@SubodhMishrasubEE then just watch his speeches in foreign lands.
If he went into beast mode.. sabko dictionary kholkr betna parta.
Shashi tharoor vs 3 anchor + 8-10 cameraman + staff 😂
Well I didn't see any vs..I think an healthy debate had happened
You forgot translators
@@inamdurrani9259 same here
One scholar vs Three Randi Rona.
@@rizwanzamir3755 Bas, phir chaloo rona dhona. Lanati, third class, poor and insulting...apart from that, do you have anything to say?
@@rizwanzamir3755 throw away every bit of indian culture from pakistan. What will be left which is your own culture? Aatankwadi?
@Adam Balleyballey Does anyone know this, or is this a secret that the world is not ready to learn?
@@rizwanzamir3755 jahil aadami....tharoor ke baare me bol raha h....😂😂😂
Atleast they give him opportunity to speak and show some professionalism unlike your propaganda media where ignorant like Arnab goswami is only there to shout and silence the guests by abusing and shouting
Atal ji conducted bus yatra to Pakistan to build confidence between two countries what is consequence of it ,it was KARGIL. what we can expect from pak if we demilitarize SIACHIN or J&K. You have your version we have ours but one thing to say is that if Pakistanis take concrete steps for trust building this will an end for India-Pakistan conflict.
Who did siachin??kargil was the repercussion of it
@@inamdurrani9259 instead of believing your stupid media..refer authentic websites like wikipedia and understand the real face of your country pakistan
@@inamdurrani9259 - PK army was planning on occupying it. IN sources came to know abt it from intelligence sources and so occupied Siachen exactly 13 days before PK came to occupy it and found it occupied. Mind you - the territory was not demarcated - and that is what the dispute is what it is all about. How to interpret the language. :-)
They are snakes, particularly their armed forces.
@@inamdurrani9259Then declare open war, don’t back stab. Don’t pretend to be friends.
Brilliant interview, very insightful discussion. We should have more discussions like these and hopefully we can have more meaningful discussions. These interviews can also play a vital role in neutralizing minds on both sides.
Thank you from 🇵🇰
Take a reality check dude. We are neutral. Pakistan always forced war on India. We dint provoked you once. And i know you wont believe it because you are brainwashed in the name of kashmir. Read the whole history of kashmir.. see who is guilty. Who voilated the UN resolutions. Who betrayed the king of kashmir during partition.... you need to think and then we can neutralize.
Read my comment and read yours, you will know who is biased or brainwashed.
@@thugfurqan you dint happen to see how impatient the anchor is while asking question. Critisizing modi is the only thing pak is left with? You dont know even 10% of what the reality is. See the truth. You have the sources now. Search what modi did for indians citizens over past 7 years of his governance including muslims. You are brainwashed in the name of hatred.
Thank you. Have a good day.
Let me bring you back to the point and remind you that programs like these are not a battle or match where one loses and other wins. Seeing everything in these terms is a symptom of polarisation.
I found this discussion to be meaningful, all the partcipants shared their point of view, a rare sight in talk shows and even more rare when its about Pakistan and India. I believe discussions like these will contribute towards creation of the enabling environment in which productive, constructive talks can happen between two countries which can repair the relations.
Seeing things only in black and white has brought here, maybe seeing things from each other’s angle and in shades of gray might help.
@@thugfurqan we are a secular nation. We always wanted peace. Go back and dig into history. But now India has made its narrative ver clear that "war and talk cannot go side by side". I hope you find the talks very good. I hope your administration shows some maturity and get educated to talk on several issue. When your PM without any facts, figure or prove term our PM as a fascist,extremist govt then what you think we will have peace with this kind of childish behaviour on an international level?
I appreciate tharoor for controlling his laughs, varna interview telecast nahi hota.
Good that now India is not so benevolent and generous to these people, they don't deserve anything. Tharoor was trying to do progressive talk but Pakistanis weren't ready to move on and have good ties, and now they are suffering.
Irony is they talk about Gujarat riots but never talk how it started.
They talk about Kashmir conflict but never about Kashmiri pandits.
I don’t say what happened in Gujarat or what’s happening in Kashmir is right but if we are discussing these issues than at least discuss both sides of coin.
BTW they called 9/11 chota sa humla 🤣
Did you watch the video of American Gen. Rtd. Stubbelbine on 9/11
Great fan of you Shashi, from Pakistan. Admit k humaray baron hi ny hamay is haal main la kar khara kia hy.
Kis haal mein ??
@Make in India lmao
Bruh
3:50 Shashi accidently slips into French, says "avec" which is French for "with" haha!
English toh smjh nhi aari hogi inn, French sun kr toh Toba Toba Hogya hoga.
There are many French words in English, like Rendezvous for example.
It is not Avec - its “are with”
Kindly listen again
Oui, bonjour tu parle français..
Very intellectual debate, Shashiji k saamne 3 Jan matlab he alone was enough to take the questions n answer all 3 of them 🇮🇳
Agreed 👍😁
As a Pakistani I am ashamed at the intellectual difference between Shashi Tharoor and the Pakistani Panelist. The Pakistani side do not even respect the decorum. Moeed Pirzada (The host) is the only knowledgeable guy who speaks reason.
Totally agree.. That lady is worst
this is the difference between indian and pakistani...... They don't even have a knowledge of discourse ethics while doing debate
From Pak🕊I salute Dr S. Tahroor for being extremely patient. He certainly is more knowledgeable than Pak. Panelist’s Naseem Zehra, Aijaz & Mr Moeed Pirzada but they didn’t let him respond...sadly. They need to be trained how to phrase Qs instead of expressing their opinions & to show off their knowledge. They should show respect to the guest by letting him speak more.
Yes Madam, but if it was just Moeed and shashi, it would have been much better...he is unbiased of religion.
As an Indian it was nice to just listen to the opinions of Naseem, Aijaz & Moeed actually, so I was glad Shashi listened as well - we don't get to hear the Pakistani side of things much here in India
I can clearly feel the frustration of the host. Btw, he's one of the most respected and unbiased journalists. I have seen him before.
He used to be neutral and a reasonably unbiased anchor earlier. But he is no longer that. Not any more. He is now become a Pakistani army/establishment stooge. Also his family emigrated to PK from Srinagar.
Moeed Pirzada is one of the biggest Pakistani apologist ever. I don't think he could ever be described as unbiased. He wasn't even being unbaised in this interview.
@@ShyamKumar-zb2mw Now he is completely sold. That's true. But he wasn't unbiased even before.
He's a half literate, parachute non journalist "anchor" who masquerades as a pseudo analyst , all in the service of boot licking the pindi politburo.
Oh..!! Didn't know that.
That's a very constructive discussion. We need these more often. I have one of the best Pakistani neigbor in the UK.
Dr. Tharoor , For Pakistan, It seems that Attacking Indian Parliament wasn't a big deal for them. They were n't aware of the consequences, if this terror attack would be successful,. We might have lost our prime minister. So pakistanis doesn't take terrorism seriously. And if you peak against terrorism, they take it in their prestige.
They don’t have the basic knowledge of the rules to follow in a group debate: not to cut off someone even before the person has made a point, respect the participant in a group debate, leading a debate in a structured manner. Things looks very incoherent and leading nowhere. I can clearly see lack of knowledge and communication skills.
have you seen any indian talk show?😂
@@shehrozmalik773 there's a difference between talk show and debate
I wish that we stop reminding each other as to who did what. We have much bigger issues at hand; overpopulation, illiteracy, poverty, religious extremism on both sides. We are not each other's enemies. Our enemies are outsiders. I must say that Dr. Throor handled this discussion splendidly. I am a fan. (Please do not look at this discussion as a bashing competition; it was not. Thank you.)
@@rajendrachandel if he started speaking according to the indian narrative then what would be the difference between intellectuals and aam admi? I think its great he didn't do an eye for eye.
If only Pakistan stops attacking India, Indians can focus
Many people died ....is it still irrelevant to find and point out who did it........?
Where does pakistan have any other Religion?? I think pakistan has only one Religion it is fight within your own Religion....
Yes. Thats true. There could be lot of trade, tourism. In fact many of Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Jain sacred sites are in Pakistan which can be good for tourism so are many Muslim sacred sites in India. Even Musharaff visited one. Many movies, sports events can be there.
Bangladesh and India adjusted their complex boundaries recently during Modi first term. Hopefully India and Pakistan can resolve Siachen glacuer, Sir Creek and Kashmir boundaries then biggest problem is gone. To simply put it, good diplomatic talks can do this instead of armed intruders into Kashmir to instigate locals to fight for freedom. Same for Pakistan, they can deal with Balochistan and NWFP Pashtuns with a diplomatic talk. Because violence leads to no peace. We saw in Afghanistan now what 3 decades of US war led to, ultimately they replaced Taliban with Taliban.
Another main issue is corruption in both countries which should be removed to develop both countries.
Demilitarisation of Siachen and surroundings will save lives of both countries.
They were talking about Pakistan aspect all the time, and were expecting Dr. Tharoor would nod at every point, but they themselves didn’t absorbed the Indian narrative which is true. They believe in the narrative of thousand cuts and India to not react. Dr. Tharoor should have made even more stronger points. He agreed on few points which is not only objectionable but dejected.
What a thought provoking discussion it was.♥️
Congress has alot of highly intelligent leaders yet it's falling apart.
@Make in India I don't agree with you at all. With so many intelligent and popular leaders they think themselves as superior to others.
But they all accept they are all beneath the Gandhi family that's why they are together.
But they have to keep their egos aside and come together as a more powerful opposition which Indian democracy lacks.
Really?
Dr Shashi Tharoor can bring down entire Pakistan just by his English diction.
@John Doe bcz they made him to do so
Well its not his fault. He feels more comfortable in english than hindi. He can speak hindi quite well, but not to the level of english, in which he was educated.
@Fahad Wasi the reason we use english is because we need a lingua franca. Southerners and easterners don't understand hindi.
@Fahad Wasi u took it seriously bro, it's just a joke. Chill mate
@Fahad Wasi I disagree! There are people I know who have been living in western countries for quite some time and still speak in broken English! and there are many 6-7-year-olds in India who have never stepped abroad but still speak impeccable English. These kids read and read a lot. and that makes all the difference.
3 vs 1, and they still loose against Dr. Tharoor, but they are happy in the end, because they get free briyani after the show.
always irrelative answer BIRYANI haha idiot
biryani is better than pantanjali
@@syafiqfirdaus1620 do u even know anything about PATANJALI
Indians dont understand what discourse with respect looks like. Everything is about "Dhum tana tana" "3 v/s 1" 1 man beating 50 with cheap CGI, ideology.
@@alvenawasim3572 truly said.
All 3 Pakistanis were very well informed and well spoken, good on Shashi to sit back and listen; learnt a lot from this dialogue 🙂
Pakistan always remembers Gujarat riots, but it was reactions to GODHRA Train massacre never remembered.
Likewise, Kashmiris were attacked looted n raped by Pakistan army in the guise of kabailis 1947 n Indian army with Kashmiri faced together the attack . And now Kashmiris don't like to be with India , Zia rule gift of radicalization in the Vally, which thrown out kashmiri pundits n Hindus, has no mention in the debate .
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Shashi Tharoor being in Pakistan seems by face n in words could not say what he wanted to.
The guest is a good listener while the hosts, instead of bombarding questions, are just wasting time by elaborating their views.
Great discussion by set of genius panelists
Kindly upload more of such issue specific old programs
Only Shashi tharoor is genius here. Others are clown just listen their statements you will understand. Pakistani sounds like a crying kid.
47:45 blink blink , dear host you tried well but even ur dad cannot beat mr. THAROOR .
@Ismail Khan Dear friend, you had to listen because you aren't intellectual enough to argue with Dr. Shashi.
@@rupesh_dharme
So u mean to say Arnab is 'intellectual enough', and that's why he shouts on top of his lungs ?
@@mansooriqbal5254 We Indians hate Arnab... He is cartoon. Only Pakistanis watch his shows. Dats marketing strategy. Pirzada is a lot better host.
@@MrSamadem
Pakistanis don't watch him. That cartoon is crazy popular in India, and runs his own channel for God's sakes.
Forget kashmir, worry about POK..and also Balochistan and infact the entire PAKISTAN.. 🤣🤣
Comment kr k bhag gya hai..just to tell you that Khalistan referendum will happen in 2020-21
@Mr.Restless
Tum log bhi bhai apni duniya mein rhte ho. Mulk tumhara donation pe chl rha hai baat tum referendum ki kar rhe ho. Thoda pad likh lo achi taalim haasil kar lo nahi to history mein majak ban ke rh jayoge.
@@manishbisht693 donations dena islamic way of helping each other.koi gun point per nhn leta balke apni wish se log donate krtay hein.btw India ka total external debt pakistan se bahut ziada hai.Aur hum History khud banaty hein.
@@MrEngineer377 just to know the khalistani party in punjab is supported by less than 0.3% of the population according to statistics.
@@MrEngineer377 adha ktm 2020 hmne to nhi suna indiya me koyi referendum
Shashi Tharoor sir is dominating on the 3... Imagine what would happen if he had done this debate in English 😂
I don't think so, it felt like he was absorbing what the 3 were saying and hence was listening instead of dominating
Instead of fighting on border, let’s fight on tv. If Pak agrees to stop terrorism, I am willing to tolerate weekly debates that use conspiracy theories as their source
How shahi tharoor tried to explain secularlism in india. How pakistan played it. Modi ji as PM is only answer to it.
Tharoo said "The moot point is Kashmir nahi milega, stop your terrorism and behave"
18:10 What happened in Kashmir in Name of Human Rights Violation is that I can recall is the word "Kashmiri Pandits had to leave their home". Then how Pakstn is worried about them if the militants were Muslims only
Yaar plsss muslim ko mat jodo na
India ko nuclear b muslim ne diya hai
Pade likhe lagte ho
Jai hind
@@kolarprince6252 haan toh unko Respect from us and Bharat Ratna from govt bhi milte hai 😎
#KalamOP #EducatedMuslim
Sir such types of talk show is necessary for both countries ❤
I’m from BJP and he is from Congress, But before outsider we both are hardcore Indian Nationalist....
Bjp k log India ko barbad krne me lage hai aur tum bhi unme se ek ho son kr bahut bora laga
Only Dr. Moeed should be interviewing him. The other two are jokers.
Very interesting how the interviewer has concocted a great story and how magnanimously Tharoor Saab had answered slighted it.
All conflict between both country due to j for jehad and K for Kashmir.
Finally -it’s a simple story -the oft repeated about the Pakistan Army owning a nation is what it’s all about. How best to keep your perceived importance up, except to prevent peace with your neighbor - that’s the crux of it -no more, no less 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Excellent vlog. Very informative and comprehensive analysis based.
Constant sharp smile on Tharoor face silently demarcates “intellectual differences “
My left ear enjoyed this
Tharoor saab brave man. Confronting three Pakistanis with their narrative in their own country.
Pakistanis are less insecure than us Indians, can you imagine an Indian news channel do the same with a Pakistani spokesperson and have such a civil conversation with them? No, they will instantly be labeled anti national, and their TRP will drop because the common Indian is very insecure. Of course it was Republic Tv, Times Now or Zee news then the story would be very different, they would simply call a Pakistani panelist to berate him and scream over him only to congratulate themselves as don't even let the Pakistani panelist speak. I think we as Indians can learn something from our neighbours. Forget about Pakistan, I don't think shashi tharoor or indeed anyone can have such an open conversation on Indian media about India's geopolitics today, imagine a news channel telling Indians that the Indian supreme Court did not find Pakistan complicit in the parliament attack, there would be a riot.
Low budget discussion 😛
😂😂😂😂😂
Yea unlike ur RSS chadi wala n Godi media who only do meaningful talks🤪🤪
India can forget how great Pakistan is. Pakistan need not
Remind India. We are well informed about failed states.
Talks with Pakistan is futile, the very birth of Pakistan is from Indian / Hindu hatred so any amount of talk is a waste of time and effort. If we can disintegrate the Pakistan in to various smaller countries that will be a great next step towards the security of India. Also we must stop equate ourself with the beggar state Pakistan. We must show them their position.
WTF when you say 9/11 was a very small attack? No terrorist attack is a small attack. It May be normal in PAK but it is condemnable. Every country should be capable to avenge it.
My left ear enjoyed it
Thanks man. kab se dukhi hoon soch kar ki one ear of my headphone gone
Pakistan journalist will always urgue to please their military otherwise they will pushed into jail as traitor
Great 1 vs 3 debate won by Dr Tharoor
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That lady said " Let shashi speak in hindi so that people of pakistan will understand "
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 oh no!
@@youtuberate35741 ,😊
Yes, because urdu is our mother tongue and we r proud of it 👍 we have no shame in speaking urdu
@@mohsinzafardailyvlog Really your mother father tongue, where are you from Punjabi, Sindhi or nwf. What you know about Urdu? For hints to you it is mixed up language with some hindi and parisian by dictation and finally mix up with some bloody Arabic. So what you like, your mother tongue language or forced by someone on you like Urdu. Can I hope to you some intellectual answer or as usual Pakistani answer.
Paapa ki language pe bohut proud hy betey ko...😁😁😁pr betey ki chamrhi kaali ya brown hy,pata ni kese😁😁
My rent agent is a friendly Pakistan guy in Australia. His father worked in High Commission. I know him more than a year and we had many good conversations but Kashmir, wars, religion never came into discussion as we see in social media.
I feel that Shashi despite being to fool audience, felt totally outclassed by Pakistani journalist on every account
wish i could smoke the same shit that you do.
Great respect to you sir.
32:45
Earlier when they were talking about demilitarising border, mutually sign on defined border lines & fishermen issue, i understood it was for the economic and humanitarian welfare of both our countrymen.
But when they slipped in separation of Kashmir which has nothing to do with the benefit of Pakistanis but only fuelled by vengeance and motive of revenge, It makes me worry they wont stop terrorist activities in that region.
Terrorism is the only way that they can try and bridge the obvious A-symmetry between the strengths and capabilities of both of our nations.
If this is the mindset of the so called Pakistani intellectual, then you can imagine the common citizen in Pakistan. The whole world knows what Pakistan is doing.
New generation will be shocked if they watch this kind of peaceful debate.
i am shocked !!!
13:29 -13:33 yeah you are absolutely right.... unfortunately in this debate he didn't get equally educated and decent debator....🤨
As an Indian I must say there is a lot of double standards and hypocrisy from our side.We have made mistakes too but always pretend and pose ourselves as upright and innocent which we are not
You lost a part of your country in 1947 . What that your mistake.
@@Sanjay-br9ix yes bro/sister,after listening to Moeed Peerzada that Jinnah did not demand for a separate country but was happy with confederation ,I am literally incensed with Nehru and Gandhi -architects of partition and bloodshed in my opinion
@@shashwatpriyadarshi972 the demands jinnah made was impossible to fullfill nehru did right thing by not appeasing jinnah
what a civilised debate
Stop drawing parallels with india
Wow 👏 Dr. Tharoor ---- Pride of Indian 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
#weRTharoorians
Shashi taroor is giving such a strong arguments
'We have the technology and you have the wind'. That was a good one!
I don't think they got it.
Wat did he mean
He is good to talk fluently
ڈاکٹر معید پیرزادہ بہت اچھے ٹاپ پہ ڈسکشن کی ہے اور بہت سینئر اور بہت پڑھے لکھی شخصیات کی رائے لی ہے
Bhai yeh Pakistani question kam gyan zyada pelte h
jo h ni inke paas..or jitna h wo bhi galat.
Still way better than your Guttar Arnab or Godi media
Urdu ky dynamics aisay Hain,,,
Shashi Tharoor is also close to my heart❤❤❤❤ Love the way he explains🇵🇰
6:59 journalist trying hard to control his laughter as Pakistani Panelist's can't understand Anything Shashi Tharoor says in English.
LOL!!!!!
lol
He is more interested and focused infact flirting with the lady than what was said hence the journalist smirking,
This discussion was held long years ago in 2012. Now it is 2023. Things have changed since 2019 dramatically.
Shashis focus is on the lady but seems shes not impressed 😂
Shashi dates British models. Don't think he would be interested in this aunty.
Yeah he(alamgir ra) used to rupture the p** of your daughter's with his horses.
Shashi Tharoor does not believe in one upmanship. He tries his best to keep other panelists in a comfortable position, at the same time nails his convictions. This gentlemanly quality can achieve a lot, especially peace and friendship. Hardliners on both sides have held fort until now. They only bring destruction which we have seen on both sides.
BJP policy removed kashmiri pandit from kashmir and Shashi is aggering on it. Shashi are you serious. Who was in center at that time? Congress. Shashi please don't play those card in Pakistan.
You r factually incorrect..
It was VP singh's Govt..with the BJP as an ally..
Yes I was noticing the same thing , it is really shocking to see him agreeing to that statement on Kashmiri Pandit.
@@shaikziyad9866 It is not about the government ,it is about the fact that they were forcefully expelled from the valley in the name of Islamisation , Radicalism and feeding fear of death to all the Kashmiri pandits.
Janta goverment is in the power with the help of bjp fun fact bjp never reveal those things
Love Naseem Zehra! She’s so comfortable in her skin and in her language. No pretentiousness about her and really inspires others to take after her. Succint, knows what to say and when with clarity. Agrees to disagree where she has to. Such an overall boss. She makes me proud.
How is this a fair discussion where 3 people including the host is attacking one man.Pitiful attempt.Shashi Tharoor is really brave to do it.I admire him very much but I do hope he attends these in an evenly divided forum and an unbiased host.
I agree that Shashi would be overwhelmed by the Pakistanis . I am confident Shashi can take on all comers
Tharoor was talking about Solutions and they were talking about Problems....
Modi ne sahi le rakhi hai in pakistaniyo ki,congress to inke saamne bhich hi jaati thi, kaha hindustan aur kaha pakistan.
INHE PEDA KARNE WALI BHI KHANGRESS HI H
Tharoor Saab ne apna narrative fit kardiya rather than India’s stand on terror…
How truely said in Urdu
Sir ! You are a honest person more capable than Yuvraj.
We want to see you as Congress president
At 6:40 it Seems like he didn't understood A SINGLE WORD
Can a Pakistani politician come to India and be so outspoken? and then they say Pakistan doesnt want peace -_- .... or perhaps India used to be different when this interview would shot.
@Alone yes buddy, i am not talking about past, but in 2021 the factual situation is, that Pakistan wants peace with India, because it is in Pakistan's interest, while India (Modi govt.) does not want peace, because it is entirely against their political narrative...
Shahsi sir a good listener with patiently and has gruge to keep eye to eye contact with opponent
Pakistani panelists did not let Dr. Tharoor speak , which is really unfortunate and disappointing. This programme was for getting the point of view of Dr Tharoor. Dr Moeed Pirzada should have intervened and should have cut the monologue of these panelists. It was disturbing to watch and I'm really impressed by the patience of Dr Tharoor. Salute to you sir
Lot's of Love N RESPECT from whole World 🙏 To Dr. Shashi Tharoor Sir
Watching this now...seeing how our Indian mentality was begging for peace while they called out terror in their nation against us. Now, how the current leadership turned the tables by COMPLETELY ignoring them. Now let them yell Kashmir. Let them go to UN. No one cares. Neither does the Gulf. Let them keep begging for money. We forge ahead.
he is genius. Dr Shahi tharoor they way he talks amazing
Where can I find full episode. Sounds like a reasonable discussion.
Indian Statement is correct,remember 1948,1965,1971,1999,attack on TAJ,Parliament and you state that India has done it these are the reasons There can not be friendship between Pak and India because Pakistan decided to be separated from India so you people are wastaging time.Your speech is within your room
So erudite and dignified and patriotic
Indians commenting should thank anchor and other panel for this intellectual debate instead...
Bro enko Tariq Fateh aur Arnab jesay chutiay bandar he achay lgtay hein..jo inhe k minds ko polluted krtay hein
Honestly, unfortunately, Indians are not used to this. The regular Indian sees Pakistanis usually on news channels like Republic and Times Now where all they do is call a Pakistani panelist and abuse them. Unfortunately our hubris may very well be our downfall.
The anchor & the panelists were constantly interrupting Shashi Tharoor & not letting him speak..