Ram Madhav "Many in Congress wants Shashi Tharoor to be the National President but many in My party wants Rahul Gandhi to continue as President"... I hope Rahul Gandhi had listened to this debate...
Nice debate. You two have set the standards for a decent debate here respecting each other. Great personalities both of you. Hope you guys raise to lead the country one day.
Rahul Kanwal seemed like a courier boy for the BJP... his Job was not to take either sides but ask sensible questions... he completely inclined to one side... No words for these people who pinpoint on others competency without looking into theirs....
@@மணிதமிழ்நேசன்-ங2ண If hindus werent fightingin the north then your sisters, wife, daughters would have been sold in their harems by ISIS. anyway. Tamil is one of Hindu cultures because it the tamil languages was given by Mahadev, Panini and Agastya Muni according to tamil sources. and they were also giving and shaping other non-Tamil cultures of Bharat India Hindustan.
At first I was wondering why you said what you said, then I watched the whole video and I couldn't agree with you more. The standard of the debate was very high, till the anchor decided to open his mouth.
Great open debate and discussion.This is what India should be. Hats off to Ram and Shashi. Hopefully they can lead their parties soon for better India.
It's a very good attempt to organize an open debate on swamu vivekananda's ideas. We hope that more such discussions will be held and the ideas will also find ways to be implemented. Thanks to all the participants.. V. Seshu VIHE
@@King_ofNight even Ram Madhav also will not get the opportunity.. Our fate is some one uneducated and Chaywala to lead the country.. Current leaders will not allow educated and Visioneries to come to top.. That’s Indian Politics now
@@KTKurien I am asking you two questions 1) what do you mean by educated..? Can you define education..? Note : Before answering you must remember every thing is relative in this universe... 2). Have our constitution defined anywhere in the sections and clauses, that a chaiwala can't be a political leader as well as a prime minister..? Note - Before answering you must remember the voters of India twice elected a bar dancer similarly the said chaiwala has been elected by the voters through the very same constructional way. Then why have you such objection upon his prime ministership..? But you are here enjoying and having no objection while listening fuckative interview of a characterless politician and a murderer of his wife, that is shashi tharur.. Is it your education..?
And in Kerala, in` Sadhya' the feast served in long banana leaves, the different curries with different textures and will mix each other which makes the authentic taste without any particular bowls.. Yes.. We are One💥
What? He seemed quite sensible and was able to tie the conversation exactly like a good anchor should. At least he is not like that loud guy you have in TV (forget his name)..
@@Zmap6191 you are right. but there,the panellists will also be of similiar standards. here,the anchor had zero role till the middle,and he the spend rest of the time by attacking tharoor,thus spoiling the flow of debate.
@@MrYsureshkumar this is why he talk like shit? He raised in rss and gobar bhakt ideology, and rss they have hidden agendas and they talk shit like nothing else but fake and lies a lot
Nice debat. the concept of federalism is taught to BJP well a a defence mechanism. But in Tamilnadu BJP people got irked when they hear the world federalism.
Auto correct for chutia leaders/ ppl who talk shit anyways and require to convey their Scams to public please to cover their bs so we work o/n please clear how we register and claim bs for alcohol
@@user-yh2vm2ti3c what is the obsession with english language . does english language qualify a person to be a good politician or does a person who speaks english fluently is less corrupt and talking of nirmala sitaraman she is an economist .she has masters of art degree in economics and Mphil from jnu. better research and then talk about people credentials.
How?! Both are "food" items just like Hindu or Muslims are "Humans" which is also your User ID. Which Analogy?! Don't judge a book by it's cover or more trendy...Can you judge a person is beautiful or well mannered by the way of his/her "clothing". Thali or Khichdi is just aesthetic/ appearance...You can also serve khichdi in Thali. Eg: Water is more than only H2 & O2, Same goes for Air and all other day to day things.
@@divyasingh5129 Dude it was all symbolic and you took it off wind Sashi Tharoor said that acc. to him India is like a Thali where different separate dishes serve their own taste and purpose but finally the give one taste - the taste of Nation and Mohan Bhagwat said its a Khichdi where everything is mixed up already and there is no difference ...... What they are telling is the same thing but what Sashi ji says is that India as a nation should be representative of all cultures and what Mohan Bhagwat Ji said is the khichdi is the one single ideology which is symbolic to Hindu Rasthra and all other cultures are in there though
@@user-ry5eb8ti9v 1) the analogy is very complicated and not fully feasible considering its subject matter which is a country's people, because we are talking of a country & its people and now, when shashi ji gave "diff. taste of diff. dishes" concept.. it's apparently not very much applicable to subject matter because this group of people are not that much rigid & separate blocks.. and people & society are very fluid concepts.. So, Each so-called separate group is constantly interplaying, interacting & interrelating with every other consistently. 2) Even if we are going to take this analogy.. then after considering above points.. the "Khichdi" concept of Mohan ji will preside over that "diff. dishes" concept.. because even in "Khichdi" of a so-called group of people.. there will always be individuality of & different tastes of "Pulses, Rice, Potato pieces & Other Spices" in a plate of Khichdi. In actuality, this "Khichdi" will serve as a better analogy because it is all-inclusive alongwith is Fluid, interactive & interrelated and (Bonus point →) these concept has more space to add in itself concepts like fraternity.. And obviously.. this "Indian Khichdi" is going to & bound to be Different from the "Khichdis" of West, Middle East & Other Asian & world societies.. i hope u got it.. PS :- if you are to write 'Shashi ji'.. you should also give equal respect to Mohan ji and write 'Mohan Ji'
@@WheelOfThought Swamy in his life has given many stupid statements, and so has Tharoor.... They both are indeed very knowledgeful people. Their opinions differ, for sure but it would be great. You are just being ignorant saying that. Just being you supportive of a side, doesn't diminishes other.
@Rahul Pareek I don't think having information and expressing it articulately in a particular language means knowledge at all. You are being presumptuous about my ignorance thinking I have no understanding and labeling me as supporter of one of the two. Truth is I have nowhere shown my ideological bias but just expressed my view that too with a degree of suspicion saying "I bet". Swamy is very direct with his language and I felt Tharoor can't take him on neither in terms of savagery nor in terms of dealing with wide range of subjects that Swamy can deal with in a one to one debate.
@Mahesh Sabharwal its ur radical mindset which view everything in a negative way.. No verse in Quran is anti anyone , Quran has a context and a chronology.
Rahul Kanwal is like the lab assistant in colleges. Cant catch up either with the professors or with the intelligent students but still want to speak something 😂😂
That is true world over. Freedom of expression is not free of consequences. As an example, making death threats against someone is covered by free speech but that speech can be used against you in a court of law to hold you accountable or prevent you from acting on your speech. Tharoor is welcome to his opinion but it is one for a fantasy world of pseudo-intellectuals
@True Indian never denied that though Tharoor does have a similar mindset. Regardless, I was just making a point on the comment itself. Who made the comment, I couldn’t care less
There was no freedom of speech ever, even the constitution does not guarantee it. Also congress government was the biggest offender of freedom of speech in india.
@@nirmitkadakia6812 What you are saying is completely illogical and gobbledygook cause death threat doesn't come under freedom of speech there are exceptions ,kindly think before even putting such an comment.
This is the first time I really saw a debate... This is what should happen on screen... Had this been on TV all time.. Everybody would still have liked tv media
@shrey jauhari I’m considering him that he’s the most capable politician ever in India considering his competency and vast experience in every field unlike our PM Modi. I know no one can deny this fact!
@shrey jauhari please concede! I declare that from present politician all over India no one can matchup with Shashi Tharoor. Mismatch of quality and Education level. In simple term not even one from any political parties or background can debate Shashi Tharoor!
@shrey jauhari kejriwal is a much better politician than most BJP ones including Modi. if you don't understand need for educated politics please look at the nonsense statements made by people by Pragya thakur!
@shrey jauhari this is genuine question, I mean no offense, but what has kejriwal done that is so bad? Please tell me so I can form a correct opinion, because I have seen many people criticise kejriwal recently
@@indian6611 he is leader for you only, if a bunch of donkeys are there and they bring a leader from that bunch of donkies what people will say tbat donkey will be most idiot in their enitre group thats it
discussion should be around only corruption, Lokpal, Free CBI, Police & Judiciary reform, Free Media, Electoral reform, beaurocratic reform, RTI reform, No entry of criminals in Politics, transparency in govt budget expediture, transparency in political party funding, crime, rapes, etc. where idea of India of BJP or congress or any other party, they will fall into line or their all leaders will be in Jail if reforms has been done in India. So discuss always reforms, Lokpal should be a center issue.
@Pranav M The masses don't need it; the politicians do. The masses actually need the nitty gritty details because those are the ones that affect them; meaningless incantations like "achchhe din", while inflammatory/stimulating, ultimately mean fuck all for the people. This is actually why you get things like protests later on during the government's term.
Wonderful conversation and pretty engaging. Thanks India Today. Good to hear from Mr.Ram Madhav that many people want Dr.Shashi Tharoor to be the Congress President... it would be great to see that change just for a change immediately-- nothing wrong. Dr.Tharoor is amazing in debate and I really enjoy to hear him anywhere he speaks irrespective of the subject of debate. He certainly deserves a bigger role in the National stage...it's just my perception with due respect to other national leaders and stalwarts
Yes. Dr. Abdul Kalam was nominated, most deserving & motivating. However, so was Dr. Zahir Hussain, Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Giani Zail Singh. Each of these Hon. Presidents of our Republic made us equally proud.
This is how debates are supposed to be. Irrespective of your idealogy or belief. Shashi Tharoor is a treat to watch. Ram Madhav's counter arguments are really good.
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
I love to hear these two speakers, both Ram Madhav and Shashi Tharoor. Both parties must use such intelligent people smartly for the good of their party and nation too.
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
Admire the way the whole debate was conducted. Shashi Tharoor and Ram Madhav though political adversaries have respect for each other. Rahul Kanwal conducts the dabate in a very mature and balanced manner.
At 38:37 , Rahul said to Mr tharoor, instead of smashing the bouncer, you are ducking ur head & Mr. Tharoor said , yesterday shardul got caught while smashing the bouncer.😂😂 What an epic reply 👍.
@@vedant4226 getting out when it matters doesn't take you to glory. Tharoor could've let the tricky questions go wide but ducking on good ones doesn't fit
Did u understand why Rahul say that ?😂 Its not an an epic reply, its acceptance by Tharoor that he cannot answer that question ( play the bouncer ) because the question( bouncer ) will get him out, so he’d rather duck !! At least try to understand the conversation. And what was the question that Tharoor did not want to answer ? Watch again. ua-cam.com/video/tbRts64h0Wc/v-deo.html
@@aayushhh95 It wasn't a tricky question, its ad-hominem that every congress spokesperson gets. Rahul should've focused on refuting Tharoor's criticism on 'New India' rather than pointing fingers at the Gandhis and Nehrus. Other TV channels do plenty of that.
My dear beloved Indian brothers I am an Indian Muslim and I will die as an Indian Muslim and still how many years we all need to stop considering religion as our primary agenda rather focus on poverty, development and giving hope of bright future for next generation? I am Muslim and whatever AIMIM says is not my stand and I believe the same with so many my Hindu brothers regarding RSS or hindutva ideology. So let’s have hope on humanity as top priority than our religion because every religion teaches to be a good human to the society first.
@Amay b Teaching is not my job, Let Hindu and Muslim read and understand their sacred scriptures before targeting anyone. Because There’s lots of commonness between sacred scriptures, which is sufficient...... Any radical group of any religion does not want peace in the society because they earn money and power by spreading hatred between the inter religion and they enjoy the life..... so let’s all wake up
@@user-rv2tn9qx2b I was one of the students of Sri Saraswati Shishu Mandir which runs by RSS, so please brother...... look at the content and intention and I don’t have time if you are a member of the RSS and want to debate on it
Such a badly hosted debate- Rahul Kanwal added zero value to the conversation and should have let Tharoor and Madhav (both of whom were brilliant) do all the talking. Instead Rahul kept trying to interject with low-effort hackneyed questions and pretended to add something of value.
The "BJP" ideology Mr Ram portrays here does not represent the BJP on ground , as such it sounds reasonable..nice debate nonetheless..both very well spoken😂
For what, so you can prove me wrong or bash me for my ignorance or rather put me against your truth or the 'truth' as godi media claimed? Forget about technicalities, or even ideologies, what has the BJP done that has nothing to do with religion, caste or hypernationalistic agenda? Wher is ache din? Where is atma nirbhar bharat? The government did not spend a single rupee for vaccine development and reaseach, when HAL was supposed to profit from the rafale deal instead it was given to a desi company that sprung out of nowhere , why is gdp still low if we were to reach 5 trillion economy by 2025 ..they feed us a dream of a self reliant and superpower India(2020) on the contrary even nepal began to claim certain parts of our country as theirs whats so powerful about India right now??? Right now a the only sort of power they manifest in their words and actions is how powerful lies can be when clothed with the right amount of hatred, bigotry and decent..sorry amount of legal bends....sorry not sorry..( all these are facts based on the common knowledge derived from news not whatsapp university or the hyper nationalistic media )
Also i dont argue based on religion, reason tend to fail in such institutions...the first argument you put up is based caste division itself hence proving my point that you guys dont have any other agenda😂😂😂
Might be because Fundamental Rights are guaranteed in a court of law against the State and Fundamental Duties are non-justiciable. More like a philosophy.
Tharoor has been humbled plenty of times by people on the so called right Articulation and English will only take you so far If ur on the wrong side, you are only suffering a slow defeat That's why Tharoor was embarrassed by JSD during his own book launch
I get it, you are new to the world of politics, debates and discourse. Every novice thinks Tharoor is invincible par bichare ko bht baar muh ki khani padi hai.
I m a proud hindu ,but don't agree with Ram..love his thoughts on hinduism but it is only in theory and it is so surreal to achieve in reality. When it comes to our home , it has taken a different forms.Even Gandhi has been stripped and attacked in BJP regime. We want more good leadership like him and Shashi
You do know that Gandhi family is just an extension of the British and now India has got complete independence ? You don’t usually make wars by bombs in 20th century, what you do is change demographics and make elections your way and occupy.
A brilliant debate between two stalwarts. This happened despite a very mediocre representative of India Today. Both such wonderful gentlemen. Thank you Dr. Tharoor and Mr. Madhav!
Cz the ideology of the party is in his interest 🙄🤦🏻♂️ Do you really think Rahul Gandhi is the only moron ?? Have you not heard almost every politician speak absurd things 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ It's all about the agenda in a party
BJP Vs Congress debate happening in Tamil Nadu is the biggest fun of the year. With due respect, Shashi tharoor is the only politicians respected by every politician in India and proud of. true genius.
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
The moderator deviated from the principal theme manu times. Instead of discussing the Idea of India, moderator want to focus on Idea of Personalities. May be for him, idea of his survival was more important.
That's the biggest problem. If you want to improve English follow some good English channels. If you listen Shashi for English you actually without noticing start agreeing to his callous views
@@richardnaidoo5614 Good Morning sir ji, have you read his one book titled 'The Paradoxical Priminister' and 'Nehru: the invention of India'. Thank You for your gracious written response for Shashi Tharoorji. If yes write it here YES.
@@naveenswarnkar4180 No Sir I did not read the book. Thank you Sir I will try and read it if I could get hold of it here in South Africa. Much respect to you Sir for the advice. 🙏🙏🙏
You can call pm facist, kisanon ka katil, bharat hoga tukde tukde, sar tanse Juda, hindutva khabar khudoge, 15 min police hatao so on and cry for freedom of expression, tharoor is no 1 speaker in India, just chill bro, freedom of expression doesn't mean u can make any foolish statements. Example if one tweet in support of Taliban, action will be taken like assam
This debate is comparable to a debate between an honest and intelligent Government school student with a clever convent educated student from a high class family.
@@deb12337 Not only that his intentions are more noble and prudently nationalistic. Whereas Shashi Tharoor who is from my State is just winning an argument and playing to the gallery.
This is what you call a healthy debate, both have kept their points calmly and most importantly at some points they mutually agreed on some contentious issues like sedition act,emergency period.
It's very much true, "By nature India from ancient times is secular" by mentioning it in constitution congress encashed it politically. New India is secular but not blind.
Agreed agreed. Seeking truth and reconciliation should be our goal. If we can acknowledge the atrocities of British then why can't we acknowledge the Mughals and Sultans? Painted truths, hollow narratives has busted.
Both absolutely wrong. FoS must be absolute, barring hate crime or inciting violence. That includes right to mock/blaspheme/criticize/joke about all religions and their imaginary sky daddies. Having said that, the tragedy of Munawar's case is that there is nothing offensive towards Hinduism or Hindu gods in the joke that everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about.
@Akash Lord Akash Lord, I would accept your argument the day when the Blasphemy law giving absolute right to a special community to get offended is deleted from our Constitution. Until then every individual is liable to feel offended by jokes on their beliefs. And I am an atheist.
These two were so mesmerising that I few times lost in their words and lost concentration. They are too good . I had to go back and rewatch . And sorry Rahul, even you were like child in between them 😁
@@utkarshtripathi8542 agar India partially free hota to na tumhare comments hote naa hi news networks like NDTV, quint ,wire, newslaundry etc. Iss sab se bahar niklo its only a propaganda
@@bharatkiran5419 i agree with your thought but as you said it is very minimal and actions are taken in extreme cases. Freedom of criticism is Alright but only constructive criticism it is not absolute.
@@ankitakumari6918 There has been over 72% increase in the number of persons arrested under the anti-terror law UAPA (Unlawful Activities [Prevention] Act) in 2019 compared to 2015, data provided by the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) in the Lok Sabha shows. As many as 1948 persons were arrested under the UAPA in 1226 cases registered across the country in 2019. Such cases registered in 2015-2018 stood at 897, 922, 901 and 1182 and the number of those arrested was 1128, 999, 1554 and 1421 respectively.
Rahul thanks for bringing in the last point...It's the crux of the issue... opposition is nowhere..it's not because they don't have issues but the issues they pick are totally out of national interests..We want a strong opinions and counter BJP not surpassing national interests and bringing in fake communal charges...
Kudos to Shri Ram, yes India was secular before the constitution. The Parsi in india will vouch that the Bharat before British was also secular. They are living proof that any religion can survive in India even when they were chased out of their own homeland. That Mr Tharoor is Hindu for you. Large hearted.
I wonder why Ram Madhav had to bring up Nehru and Ambedkar to prove his point of Hindus being inherently secular. All one needs is to read any of the works of the proponents of Hindutva (Savarkar, Golwalkar et all) to understand how their idea of India has no compatibility with that of Nehru and Ambedkar's. Seems like Ram Madhav is ashamed of openly admitting in public his original views.
Hey, You seem to know what Hindu means, Can you please explain what a Hindu is to me? because my friends who call themselves Hindus did not do a good job explaining it. Thanks
@@aman26452 okay then are you suggesting that some 5+ crores Indian tribals as not Hindus? And what about lingayats in Karnataka they do not have any caste system, so they are not Hindus? They would be pleased to hear that because even they say they are not Hindus and their religion should be considered as a new religion but the supreme court rejected it
Ram Madhav and shashi tharoor , What a deadly combination of ideas and great debate... Would really love to see tharoor leading congress and ram leading BJP..
Is Idea of lndia without ' secularism' since founders of constitution did not include secularism in original constitution?Tharoorji ,discuss why Dr Ambedkar/ Patel/Nehru did not include secularism..in the constitution ? Also discuss the status of neighbouring countries with regard to secularism and partition in1947- its impact. Many listeners do not know it . HarHarMahadev
Shashi has already spoken that many laws of constitution are already secular like freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc. So even if word secularism is not mention in constitution, yet many laws are themselves secular.
Secularism was introduced very late in the constitution.India has always been tolerant to tolerant but not to intolerant.Gandhi's idea of turning the other cheek is not applicable in the real world.
@Akash Lord read history and come here who divided the country in the name of religion.these secularism is added in around 1987 like that it was not there first in constitution they added later. Don’t simply bark here hindutva, hindu cults, everyone knows who the religious fanatics are
Ram was brilliant. very thorough with his argument, particularly on contentious citizenship bill. His explanation of constitution was also very convincing.
@@meckmillion7886 ha ha...CAA is on the positive side and is about other country minorities. On the other hand, BJP trying to oppress MBC/SC/ST Hindus is certainly not a good thing.
Those oppressed minorites can be Muslim also.. for example a gay Muslim. CAA does not allow for that as it makes a line on religious grounds. That’s the issue
@@RojaJaneman Hello, I am not sure if you understood what i said. I was appreciating the debate and not criticizing it..Where is the question of getting frustrated ?
Ram Madhav "Many in Congress wants Shashi Tharoor to be the National President but many in My party wants Rahul Gandhi to continue as President"... I hope Rahul Gandhi had listened to this debate...
Hello rahul square nonsense.
Long live Rahul. Long rule BJP
Tharur sir is 1000 time better than rahul ji
BJP बंगाल मे राहुल गांधी की राह देख रही है। जैसे ही वो आये BJP को ज्यादा प्रचार करने की जरुरत नही रहेगी
@@prakashbhat8614 lol
Nice debate. You two have set the standards for a decent debate here respecting each other. Great personalities both of you. Hope you guys raise to lead the country one day.
@Mahesh Sabharwal Tharoor is Hindu ?
@@chillwidnil what is wrong with the safronization of India. It was safronized India, that accommodated “all”.
@Mahesh Sabharwal India is a secular country only because Hindus are in majority
@@Imposter1199 that has to be the dumbest thing I heard
@Mahesh Sabharwal you mean united against a government bootlicker who's hated by his own Shia people?....then yes we're against him.
Rahul kanwal is like the customer care guy from airtel who is dealing with highly technical engineers.
LMFAAOO !!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheRenzer9 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Rahul Kanwal seemed like a courier boy for the BJP... his Job was not to take either sides but ask sensible questions... he completely inclined to one side... No words for these people who pinpoint on others competency without looking into theirs....
Politician are politicians
@@seanmovie9077 he just memorized some questions and threw away. He barely understood what they are talking about.
Tamil Culture Is Alive Because of Hinduism
Tamil culture nothing to deal with Hinduism. Don't blabber.
That us why a Dravida nation must be carved out.
@@மணிதமிழ்நேசன்-ங2ண If hindus werent fightingin the north then your sisters, wife, daughters would have been sold in their harems by ISIS. anyway. Tamil is one of Hindu cultures because it the tamil languages was given by Mahadev, Panini and Agastya Muni according to tamil sources. and they were also giving and shaping other non-Tamil cultures of Bharat India Hindustan.
The anchor was most useful when he kept his mouthshut!
Lmao true
At first I was wondering why you said what you said, then I watched the whole video and I couldn't agree with you more. The standard of the debate was very high, till the anchor decided to open his mouth.
He wishes to appear wise among those who have an experience twice his age..
Andhbhakti has no limits
The BJP'S spokesperson does not know the date on which Emergency was proclaimed by Late Indira Gandhi on 25/06/1975 midnight
The debate was very vibrant, Unfortunately we don't see this in the parliament and normal prime time debates....🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Most of the leaders there are illiterate. Not like Shashi Tharoor and Madhav.
@Mahesh Sabharwal can u please tell me which versus u r taking about. can u pl mention 26 versus
@@realauthentic9713 Google it u will get it
Prime time debate is not debate..its circus !
@Mahesh Sabharwal This is reality of India.....
Peaceful community...is still leaving in Mughal Era 😤😤😤😤
Great open debate and discussion.This is what India should be. Hats off to Ram and Shashi. Hopefully they can lead their parties soon for better India.
It's a very good attempt to organize an open debate on swamu vivekananda's ideas. We hope that more such discussions will be held and the ideas will also find ways to be implemented. Thanks to all the participants..
V. Seshu VIHE
Are they?
There's great scope for Ram Madhv but I don't think Sashi tharoor would get same opportunity as long as he's in a dynastic party like INC.
@@King_ofNight even Ram Madhav also will not get the opportunity.. Our fate is some one uneducated and Chaywala to lead the country.. Current leaders will not allow educated and Visioneries to come to top.. That’s Indian Politics now
@@KTKurien
I am asking you two questions
1) what do you mean by educated..? Can you define education..?
Note : Before answering you must remember every thing is relative in this universe...
2). Have our constitution defined anywhere in the sections and clauses, that a chaiwala can't be a political leader as well as a
prime minister..?
Note - Before answering you must remember the voters of India twice elected a bar dancer similarly the said chaiwala has been elected by the voters through the very same constructional way. Then why have you such objection upon his prime ministership..?
But you are here enjoying and having no objection while listening fuckative interview of a characterless politician and a murderer of his wife, that is shashi tharur.. Is it your education..?
And in Kerala, in` Sadhya' the feast served in long banana leaves, the different curries with different textures and will mix each other which makes the authentic taste without any particular bowls.. Yes.. We are One💥
I m fed up of India Today discussing the idea of India in every goddamn conclave...
They do these conclaves only to raise their downgoing TRP's
@@shashank1732 agree
- Is named 'India Today'
- REEEEEEEEEE WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING ENDIA NOOOOOO
Because India Today is funded by foreign forces.
@@level8695 when leaders of such high stature is present... Why bother asking about idea of India? Why dont discuss jobs... And unemployment...
The anchor was totally a misfit between these two sensible persons.
he spoiled it big time.
I think he is great
@@ssiyyar if he leads congress, there will soon be revolution in the party and there will once again be competition.
Lol
What? He seemed quite sensible and was able to tie the conversation exactly like a good anchor should. At least he is not like that loud guy you have in TV (forget his name)..
@@Zmap6191 you are right. but there,the panellists will also be of similiar standards.
here,the anchor had zero role till the middle,and he the spend rest of the time by attacking tharoor,thus spoiling the flow of debate.
Just amazing, just amazing
After a long long long time I have seen a very healthy and well mannered debate
Well done Mr tharoor and Mr ram
They are from Kerala, where you'll not see blind gobar bhakt and rss goons
@@pingwinoff5442 Ram Madhav is from Andhra.
@@pingwinoff5442 Corona cases are skyrocketing in kerala.This is the kerala model the left wing media were peddling for the last few months.
@@MrYsureshkumar this is why he talk like shit? He raised in rss and gobar bhakt ideology, and rss they have hidden agendas and they talk shit like nothing else but fake and lies a lot
@@akshaymattoo4456 uou should join them they don't know how to cash Corona in politics like bjp and rss.
Ram and shashi sir to rahul be like: we will debate ourselves, "you go there and make a team on dream 11".😂
🤣😂😂🤣
@@agentwizardo1129 ppp
Pipp
Nice debat. the concept of federalism is taught to BJP well a a defence mechanism. But in Tamilnadu BJP people got irked when they hear the world federalism.
Who starts reading comments when rahul kanwal starts talking?
Me too!
hahaha .. i came here when he opened his mouth
😂😂😂
Auto correct for chutia leaders/ ppl who talk shit anyways and require to convey their
Scams to public please to cover their bs so we work o/n please clear how we register and claim bs for alcohol
@@allenviegas739 allen you're too technical for a newbie like me,
So please can you elaborate?
Btw m just 16.
Damn you got me
This is real prime time debate want our country really needs.two great intellectuals are debating on real issues.they are real politians.
Rahul Kanwal be like- Main yahan kya kar raha hun??? :-D
😂
He is getting paid for sitting there !
everytime he intervened is like 'what a loss India today?"
Who has time to waste watching fake news media channels ✌️
Two deserving persons sidelined by their respective parties, wish that get better opportunities...
True said sir, i completely agree with you
Ram Madhav is sidelined by BJP! He is the leading member of BJP's second line.
@@user-yh2vm2ti3c what is the obsession with english language . does english language qualify a person to be a good politician or does a person who speaks english fluently is less corrupt and talking of nirmala sitaraman she is an economist .she has masters of art degree in economics and Mphil from jnu. better research and then talk about people credentials.
Damn
The Thali and the Khichdi analogy is highly underrated
How?! Both are "food" items just like Hindu or Muslims are "Humans" which is also your User ID. Which Analogy?! Don't judge a book by it's cover or more trendy...Can you judge a person is beautiful or well mannered by the way of his/her "clothing". Thali or Khichdi is just aesthetic/ appearance...You can also serve khichdi in Thali. Eg: Water is more than only H2 & O2, Same goes for Air and all other day to day things.
@@divyasingh5129 Dude it was all symbolic and you took it off wind
Sashi Tharoor said that acc. to him India is like a Thali where different separate dishes serve their own taste and purpose but finally the give one taste - the taste of Nation and Mohan Bhagwat said its a Khichdi where everything is mixed up already and there is no difference ...... What they are telling is the same thing but what Sashi ji says is that India as a nation should be representative of all cultures and what Mohan Bhagwat Ji said is the khichdi is the one single ideology which is symbolic to Hindu Rasthra and all other cultures are in there though
@@user-ry5eb8ti9v Yes agreed.
@@divyasingh5129 i
@@user-ry5eb8ti9v 1) the analogy is very complicated and not fully feasible considering its subject matter which is a country's people, because we are talking of a country & its people and now, when shashi ji gave "diff. taste of diff. dishes" concept.. it's apparently not very much applicable to subject matter because this group of people are not that much rigid & separate blocks.. and people & society are very fluid concepts.. So, Each so-called separate group is constantly interplaying, interacting & interrelating with every other consistently.
2) Even if we are going to take this analogy.. then after considering above points.. the "Khichdi" concept of Mohan ji will preside over that "diff. dishes" concept.. because even in "Khichdi" of a so-called group of people.. there will always be individuality of & different tastes of "Pulses, Rice, Potato pieces & Other Spices" in a plate of Khichdi. In actuality, this "Khichdi" will serve as a better analogy because it is all-inclusive alongwith is Fluid, interactive & interrelated and (Bonus point →) these concept has more space to add in itself concepts like fraternity..
And obviously.. this "Indian Khichdi" is going to & bound to be Different from the "Khichdis" of West, Middle East & Other Asian & world societies.. i hope u got it..
PS :- if you are to write 'Shashi ji'.. you should also give equal respect to Mohan ji and write 'Mohan Ji'
The Variety of Tharoor's expressions. God!
Ayo you kinda gay bruh
BIG SHOW-OFF.....Tharoor
Alas! You fell for shiny things.
First time shashi tharor faced true and honest person like ram madhav great debate by two very educated persons
Tharur did not expected that RAM had read those 3000 pages 😂😂
You are right. I am impress by the capabilities of Ram
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tell this fool Ram mahav to shut up
@ Sashi tharoor: get some new arguements. Who killed susanda?
I want Tharoor vs swamy
I bet tharoor won't come.
Tharoor will say : another day.
@@WheelOfThought Swamy in his life has given many stupid statements, and so has Tharoor....
They both are indeed very knowledgeful people. Their opinions differ, for sure but it would be great.
You are just being ignorant saying that. Just being you supportive of a side, doesn't diminishes other.
@@HiranyaGarbh. Read above
@Rahul Pareek I don't think having information and expressing it articulately in a particular language means knowledge at all. You are being presumptuous about my ignorance thinking I have no understanding and labeling me as supporter of one of the two. Truth is I have nowhere shown my ideological bias but just expressed my view that too with a degree of suspicion saying "I bet". Swamy is very direct with his language and I felt Tharoor can't take him on neither in terms of savagery nor in terms of dealing with wide range of subjects that Swamy can deal with in a one to one debate.
This is called politics .everyone knows everything yet couldn't agree
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True. They will lose their followers if there is no divide based on views among people.
@Mahesh Sabharwal So true ma... we don't have any unity and that should scare us! I mean unbelievable naive Hindus of India ready to lose everything!
@Mahesh Sabharwal its ur radical mindset which view everything in a negative way.. No verse in Quran is anti anyone , Quran has a context and a chronology.
@@syedsifaanawaiz8519 I think it is somewhere because I heard some saying "kafiro se azadi"
Rahul Kanwal is like the lab assistant in colleges. Cant catch up either with the professors or with the intelligent students but still want to speak something 😂😂
You nailed it brother.
Ha..ha..😊👍
Salute!
Hahaha
Salute
BJP Govt Can guarantee freedom of speech but can't guarantee what happens after the speech.
- Tharoor 😂 True that
@True Indian Respect , I didn't knew about that.
That is true world over. Freedom of expression is not free of consequences. As an example, making death threats against someone is covered by free speech but that speech can be used against you in a court of law to hold you accountable or prevent you from acting on your speech. Tharoor is welcome to his opinion but it is one for a fantasy world of pseudo-intellectuals
@True Indian never denied that though Tharoor does have a similar mindset. Regardless, I was just making a point on the comment itself. Who made the comment, I couldn’t care less
There was no freedom of speech ever, even the constitution does not guarantee it. Also congress government was the biggest offender of freedom of speech in india.
@@nirmitkadakia6812 What you are saying is completely illogical and gobbledygook cause death threat doesn't come under freedom of speech there are exceptions ,kindly think before even putting such an comment.
This is the first time I really saw a debate... This is what should happen on screen... Had this been on TV all time.. Everybody would still have liked tv media
True ಥ‿ಥ . I wanted this to continue longer. I didn't ever realise and thr debate was over
Very true...
Politics aside..A well mannered Debate..Both were patient enough to listen each other's arguments 👌
Do not know about that Rahul's political acumen but this Rahul's journalistic acumen is almost close to nill.
He had the audacity to say that he is neutral in his journalism... Although he used to be once..
@@nayanpahwa I dont think he would side with rahul gandhi lol
Why you have doubts about RG's political acumen. It is also a big Zero..
@@Skandawin78 he's talking about Rahul kanwal
You are right. Jokers can not be journalists, by printing a visiting card. Strangely, pappu-2 is trying to out wit pappu-1 i
His competency shows that he’s very much capable even for PM of this Country@Sashi Tharoor. The best politicians of the century from India.
@@anotheraccount9917 😂😂😂
@shrey jauhari I’m considering him that he’s the most capable politician ever in India considering his competency and vast experience in every field unlike our PM Modi. I know no one can deny this fact!
@shrey jauhari please concede! I declare that from present politician all over India no one can matchup with Shashi Tharoor. Mismatch of quality and Education level. In simple term not even one from any political parties or background can debate Shashi Tharoor!
@shrey jauhari kejriwal is a much better politician than most BJP ones including Modi. if you don't understand need for educated politics please look at the nonsense statements made by people by Pragya thakur!
@shrey jauhari this is genuine question, I mean no offense, but what has kejriwal done that is so bad? Please tell me so I can form a correct opinion, because I have seen many people criticise kejriwal recently
At 37:50 Kamal hassan would have felt relieved not to be part of that engaging debate and more importantly relieved about Smriti Irani's absence.
Boss this conversation was an absolute joy I really enjoyed it
Both sides explaining their Ideology with listening and countering with facts .Brilliant one by India Conclave 👏
Proud of KERALA 🔥🔥
Proud and Pride💥💥💥
Proud of andhra king ram madhav
@@indian6611 😂😂 ass how became king
@@wewillraise6669 he is main leader of rss and bjp
@@indian6611 he is leader for you only, if a bunch of donkeys are there and they bring a leader from that bunch of donkies what people will say tbat donkey will be most idiot in their enitre group thats it
discussion should be around only corruption, Lokpal, Free CBI, Police & Judiciary reform, Free Media, Electoral reform, beaurocratic reform, RTI reform, No entry of criminals in Politics, transparency in govt budget expediture, transparency in political party funding, crime, rapes, etc. where idea of India of BJP or congress or any other party, they will fall into line or their all leaders will be in Jail if reforms has been done in India. So discuss always reforms, Lokpal should be a center issue.
one of the best comments i have read in some far months
* centre
@Pranav M The masses don't need it; the politicians do. The masses actually need the nitty gritty details because those are the ones that affect them; meaningless incantations like "achchhe din", while inflammatory/stimulating, ultimately mean fuck all for the people. This is actually why you get things like protests later on during the government's term.
Wonderful conversation and pretty engaging. Thanks India Today. Good to hear from Mr.Ram Madhav that many people want Dr.Shashi Tharoor to be the Congress President... it would be great to see that change just for a change immediately-- nothing wrong.
Dr.Tharoor is amazing in debate and I really enjoy to hear him anywhere he speaks irrespective of the subject of debate.
He certainly deserves a bigger role in the National stage...it's just my perception with due respect to other national leaders and stalwarts
Brilliant and articulate Shashi Tharoor. Giant intellect.
Indeed.. He is the best for any debate.
That will never happen as long as any creature available in Nehru/Gandhi family.
I am not a fan of RG, but I don't appreciate the judgements passed by the anchor on RG.. Better the anchor stick to his role and ask questions.
and thats you idea of democracy.......change change change....
Yes. Dr. Abdul Kalam was nominated, most deserving & motivating. However, so was Dr. Zahir Hussain, Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Giani Zail Singh. Each of these Hon. Presidents of our Republic made us equally proud.
How??
This is how debates are supposed to be.
Irrespective of your idealogy or belief.
Shashi Tharoor is a treat to watch.
Ram Madhav's counter arguments are really good.
but the problem is that they don't run their parties they are puppets who make them look good
Ram Madhav sir and Shashi Tharoor sir were brilliant. Needed a better anchor, who can keep up though
Best debate show 👍
The honorable speakers are highly logical in their respective aspects
Very knowledgeable and enjoyed a lot❤️
When Sashi tharoor started talking I forgot that it's a debate. That he was giving some lecture on +++
That's he's power 🤗
That is his trickery :appear to agree !
"I can guarantee freedom of speech but can't guarantee freedom after speech"😂
That was said by idi amin. He is a known killer of his own people. Freedom was a joke. Watch the movie the last king of Scotland.
I think he was talking about the scenario about bengal where bjp workers are killed for chanting jai shree ram🥲😅
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
This is what happened happened in France . Prof exercised his freedom of speech and afterwards he got killed.😂😂
@gladnit242 It applies to mullah mindset...
I love to hear these two speakers, both Ram Madhav and Shashi Tharoor. Both parties must use such intelligent people smartly for the good of their party and nation too.
Yes exactly this is how it should be done,like in usa the presidential debates happen
Yes, ram should be next pm of India
Shashi Tharoor has turned into a matured Politician... His response is very clear and in a composed manner... He is fit for better positions...
By by ft
He was a diplomat ...I hope u know it
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
@@teriyankiking9183 I know he was a diplomat. But to be a politician in India it takes much more than that..
@@sddevrj What ever be the case... Someone has to discuss it to ensure the people are aware of it...
Admire the way the whole debate was conducted. Shashi Tharoor and Ram Madhav though political adversaries have respect for each other. Rahul Kanwal conducts the dabate in a very mature and balanced manner.
Well imagine if rajdeep sirdesai cunduct this debate
At 38:37 , Rahul said to Mr tharoor, instead of smashing the bouncer, you are ducking ur head & Mr. Tharoor said , yesterday shardul got caught while smashing the bouncer.😂😂 What an epic reply 👍.
Ppl who afraid of bouncers can't play the game. He might have escaped the bouncer but getting out in some other way is imminent. He's out.
@@dharma7248 Getting out is quite obviously imminent in cricket, every batter does eventually get out! what do you mean?
@@vedant4226 getting out when it matters doesn't take you to glory. Tharoor could've let the tricky questions go wide but ducking on good ones doesn't fit
Did u understand why Rahul say that ?😂 Its not an an epic reply, its acceptance by Tharoor that he cannot answer that question ( play the bouncer ) because the question( bouncer ) will get him out, so he’d rather duck !! At least try to understand the conversation. And what was the question that Tharoor did not want to answer ? Watch again. ua-cam.com/video/tbRts64h0Wc/v-deo.html
@@aayushhh95 It wasn't a tricky question, its ad-hominem that every congress spokesperson gets. Rahul should've focused on refuting Tharoor's criticism on 'New India' rather than pointing fingers at the Gandhis and Nehrus. Other TV channels do plenty of that.
Ram Madhav is a good orator and have given clear points on CAA that it is right
My dear beloved Indian brothers I am an Indian Muslim and I will die as an Indian Muslim and still how many years we all need to stop considering religion as our primary agenda rather focus on poverty, development and giving hope of bright future for next generation? I am Muslim and whatever AIMIM says is not my stand and I believe the same with so many my Hindu brothers regarding RSS or hindutva ideology. So let’s have hope on humanity as top priority than our religion because every religion teaches to be a good human to the society first.
@Amay b Teaching is not my job, Let Hindu and Muslim read and understand their sacred scriptures before targeting anyone. Because There’s lots of commonness between sacred scriptures, which is sufficient...... Any radical group of any religion does not want peace in the society because they earn money and power by spreading hatred between the inter religion and they enjoy the life..... so let’s all wake up
At the first place comparing Hindutva and mim itself is a joke
Where did ur assumptions about rss come from
@@user-rv2tn9qx2b I was one of the students of Sri Saraswati Shishu Mandir which runs by RSS, so please brother...... look at the content and intention and I don’t have time if you are a member of the RSS and want to debate on it
@@aask1986 what is the context
The thing is u said Rss and Hindutva ideology is bad
Until you people comes to majority....
Can't believe Angle DiMaria can speak so better English and also hosts a position as a journalist
Angel di Maria Post retiremnt. 😄
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😂😂😂
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best comment bro :D
No media questions ruling party instead questioned opposition... Every news channel... India Today too.
And rightly so, we got a nincompoop, impotent opposition led by a 50yr old kid.
True. That's called Godi media
Yeah bro they forget that many states are their where bjp is not ruling and still their only problem is bjp just look at jharkhand and rajasthan
I think you are pissed because PUBG is banned, grow up kiddo!!
The best debate so far on this year’s India today conclave. Reflects the intellectual power of both Ram Madhav ji and Shashi Tharoor ji!
I realised two things. Truth prevails, Knowledge counts and good English does guarantee you face saving.......
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Nupur Sharma was underground but Rahmani is free….. End of the day that is the reality of the country
Such a badly hosted debate- Rahul Kanwal added zero value to the conversation and should have let Tharoor and Madhav (both of whom were brilliant) do all the talking. Instead Rahul kept trying to interject with low-effort hackneyed questions and pretended to add something of value.
Anand ragnathan or sashi ji ke bich debate me maza aayega dekhne me kon kon chahata hai ye ho😊
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a ranga will pulverize sasi taroor outta shape
Aanand RangaNathan is too aggressive for shashi
@@rk02536 aggressive? sasi taroor is too artificial
I would also like to see the debate between Mr. Tharoor and Mr. J Sai Deepak
Well replied by Dr.Shashi Tharoor
The "BJP" ideology Mr Ram portrays here does not represent the BJP on ground , as such it sounds reasonable..nice debate nonetheless..both very well spoken😂
For what, so you can prove me wrong or bash me for my ignorance or rather put me against your truth or the 'truth' as godi media claimed? Forget about technicalities, or even ideologies, what has the BJP done that has nothing to do with religion, caste or hypernationalistic agenda? Wher is ache din? Where is atma nirbhar bharat? The government did not spend a single rupee for vaccine development and reaseach, when HAL was supposed to profit from the rafale deal instead it was given to a desi company that sprung out of nowhere , why is gdp still low if we were to reach 5 trillion economy by 2025 ..they feed us a dream of a self reliant and superpower India(2020) on the contrary even nepal began to claim certain parts of our country as theirs whats so powerful about India right now??? Right now a the only sort of power they manifest in their words and actions is how powerful lies can be when clothed with the right amount of hatred, bigotry and decent..sorry amount of legal bends....sorry not sorry..( all these are facts based on the common knowledge derived from news not whatsapp university or the hyper nationalistic media )
Also i dont argue based on religion, reason tend to fail in such institutions...the first argument you put up is based caste division itself hence proving my point that you guys dont have any other agenda😂😂😂
Also i dont appprove of BJP doesn't mean i support Congress😂
You nailed it. Actually Shah should be there in place of Ram Madhav.
Don’t know about others but i support that ideology.
EVERY ONE REMEMBERS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS provided by the Indian constitution
but DOESN'T REMEMBER THE FUNDAMENTAL DUTIES
Might be because Fundamental Rights are guaranteed in a court of law against the State and Fundamental Duties are non-justiciable. More like a philosophy.
Rights are unconditional.
Rights kaun se mile hamein? Ab ye duties ki baat karke hi logon ko chup kiya jaata hai. Bullshit.
rights h hi nhi toh kya hi hoga
Ram Madhav being most articulate speaker from BJP speaks a lot about what kind of speakers BJP otherwise has
Tharoor has been humbled plenty of times by people on the so called right
Articulation and English will only take you so far
If ur on the wrong side, you are only suffering a slow defeat
That's why Tharoor was embarrassed by JSD during his own book launch
I get it, you are new to the world of politics, debates and discourse. Every novice thinks Tharoor is invincible par bichare ko bht baar muh ki khani padi hai.
I m a proud hindu ,but don't agree with Ram..love his thoughts on hinduism but it is only in theory and it is so surreal to achieve in reality.
When it comes to our home , it has taken a different forms.Even Gandhi has been stripped and attacked in BJP regime.
We want more good leadership like him and Shashi
You do know that Gandhi family is just an extension of the British and now India has got complete independence ? You don’t usually make wars by bombs in 20th century, what you do is change demographics and make elections your way and occupy.
Great experience to watch and hear two knowledgeable gentlemen debating with each other.
This is waht a debate is called. 😍 valuable argument from both side where anchor is doing his job without being lobbing for one side.
Wonderful debate I just loved it , this is called healthy debate.
A brilliant debate between two stalwarts. This happened despite a very mediocre representative of India Today. Both such wonderful gentlemen. Thank you Dr. Tharoor and Mr. Madhav!
I cant belive how such a learned person like Tharoor could follow Rahul and stay in his family's party
Cz the ideology of the party is in his interest 🙄🤦🏻♂️ Do you really think Rahul Gandhi is the only moron ?? Have you not heard almost every politician speak absurd things 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's all about the agenda in a party
Cause he is a man with principles
BJP Vs Congress debate happening in Tamil Nadu is the biggest fun of the year. With due respect, Shashi tharoor is the only politicians respected by every politician in India and proud of. true genius.
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
Respected politician and Tharor? My foot
Respected. He is killer of his wife.
@@Rahat2995 Right said fred.... he conspired in abetted suicide
And here is MLA of my constituency who don't even have a high school certificate 😭
Hope you have your kagaz ready or you can go to pak
@@ambhat3953 I have kagaz and m not ashamed of showing them also and also if I went to Pak I will be killed at very first as I being non islamic
@@ajitsangwan5522 😂😂
It's happening every where in our country my friend.
@@tokoyanki1088 agreed..infect these politicians spread hatred among people for there political gain and people are stupid enough to follow them.
Shashi is the most logical person I know in this era..
He is a constitutionalist and he should face off mr. Swamy ji.
Indeed.. He is.
Just most read
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@@WheelOfThoughtbring 10 swamis,tharoor is ready😌😌😌😌
Tharoor sir , should be the president of the congress party.
But he is accused of killing his wife.
The moderator deviated from the principal theme manu times. Instead of discussing the Idea of India, moderator want to focus on Idea of Personalities. May be for him, idea of his survival was more important.
Why questioning opposition Rahul that's your mistakes
A very useful and a constructive discussion! Idea of India of a common man will emerge finally!
I just came here to hear Mr. Tharoor...
What a English Man...
I also listen only and only for Dr. Tharoor.
That's the biggest problem. If you want to improve English follow some good English channels. If you listen Shashi for English you actually without noticing start agreeing to his callous views
Tharoor a true English man. Nope a true, patriotic and intellectual Indian who loves Mother India 🙏🙏💖
@@richardnaidoo5614 Good Morning sir ji, have you read his one book titled 'The Paradoxical Priminister' and 'Nehru: the invention of India'. Thank You for your gracious written response for Shashi Tharoorji. If yes write it here YES.
@@naveenswarnkar4180 No Sir I did not read the book. Thank you Sir I will try and read it if I could get hold of it here in South Africa. Much respect to you Sir for the advice. 🙏🙏🙏
Freedom of speech, but not freedom after speech. Shashi Tharoor nailed it. 👏👏
You can call pm facist, kisanon ka katil, bharat hoga tukde tukde, sar tanse Juda, hindutva khabar khudoge, 15 min police hatao so on and cry for freedom of expression, tharoor is no 1 speaker in India, just chill bro, freedom of expression doesn't mean u can make any foolish statements. Example if one tweet in support of Taliban, action will be taken like assam
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This debate is comparable to a debate between an honest and intelligent Government school student with a clever convent educated student from a high class family.
RAM Madhab is far knowledged than throor
Throor boating in same boat of Neheruism after 74 years of Independence
@@deb12337 Not only that his intentions are more noble and prudently nationalistic. Whereas Shashi Tharoor who is from my State is just winning an argument and playing to the gallery.
This is what you call a healthy debate, both have kept their points calmly and most importantly at some points they mutually agreed on some contentious issues like sedition act,emergency period.
Coz both r from south, not UP bihar
@@315jhon ye sahi .......this isn't racism and regionalism
i wished it was j sai deepak
or subramanium swamy
@@315jhon what do u mean by up Bihar lol 😂
Most of engineer n ias ,ifs are from these states
@@siddharthpandey548 Most ias and engineers from UP and Bihar no wonder Bureaucracy is so corrupt and Enggs so incomptent in India
It's very much true, "By nature India from ancient times is secular" by mentioning it in constitution congress encashed it politically. New India is secular but not blind.
Agreed agreed.
Seeking truth and reconciliation should be our goal. If we can acknowledge the atrocities of British then why can't we acknowledge the Mughals and Sultans? Painted truths, hollow narratives has busted.
21:11 that's what an agenda is he rememberd munnvar's joke but forgot to mention the bengaluru riots for sharing a cartoon 🙄🙄🙄
Both absolutely wrong. FoS must be absolute, barring hate crime or inciting violence. That includes right to mock/blaspheme/criticize/joke about all religions and their imaginary sky daddies. Having said that, the tragedy of Munawar's case is that there is nothing offensive towards Hinduism or Hindu gods in the joke that everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about.
@@siddharthmehta6220 nobody got offended by those jokes everyone is just asking to make same joke or dallah talla and Ayesha as he made on ram sita
@@siddharthmehta6220 No right can be absolute.
@@NoneOfTheAbove123 who will decide the line upto which the law is applicable? Every law must be absolute unless it harms Indian Citizens life.
@Akash Lord Akash Lord, I would accept your argument the day when the Blasphemy law giving absolute right to a special community to get offended is deleted from our Constitution. Until then every individual is liable to feel offended by jokes on their beliefs.
And I am an atheist.
Wow... What a brilliant speech by Dr. Rhaaroor SIR.
45 minutes is very little time for such debates.
16:10 when Ram Madhav is speaking, Madam is busy painting her nails😂😂😂😂
they are rich! who are you
These two were so mesmerising that I few times lost in their words and lost concentration. They are too good . I had to go back and rewatch . And sorry Rahul, even you were like child in between them 😁
Freedom of speech is a non issue in India, its only propaganda.
Useless debate.
Han bhai freedom ka kya karna hai, aazad thodi na rehna chahta hai koi. You are right
@@utkarshtripathi8542 agar India partially free hota to na tumhare comments hote naa hi news networks like NDTV, quint ,wire, newslaundry etc. Iss sab se bahar niklo its only a propaganda
@@ankitakumari6918 partly - adverb - to some extent; not completely.
"the result is partly a matter of skill and partly of chance"
@@bharatkiran5419 i agree with your thought but as you said it is very minimal and actions are taken in extreme cases. Freedom of criticism is Alright but only constructive criticism it is not absolute.
@@ankitakumari6918 There has been over 72% increase in the number of persons arrested under the anti-terror law UAPA (Unlawful Activities [Prevention] Act) in 2019 compared to 2015, data provided by the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) in the Lok Sabha shows.
As many as 1948 persons were arrested under the UAPA in 1226 cases registered across the country in 2019. Such cases registered in 2015-2018 stood at 897, 922, 901 and 1182 and the number of those arrested was 1128, 999, 1554 and 1421 respectively.
Rahul thanks for bringing in the last point...It's the crux of the issue... opposition is nowhere..it's not because they don't have issues but the issues they pick are totally out of national interests..We want a strong opinions and counter BJP not surpassing national interests and bringing in fake communal charges...
My school principal way of talking is like Ram😂😂😂
Well done Shashi Tharoor. Hope to see you with more power.
Well done??? Ram Madhav torn him apart...
@@vksingh21 yeah that's what he is good at.. also tearing country apart.
@@kaustubhSharmahi literally didn't say this but ok
Thumbnail took me here, the mediator-rahul took me out . Don't waste time here
Thanks bro.. U saved me
.. I owe u a good one
Kudos to Shri Ram, yes India was secular before the constitution.
The Parsi in india will vouch that the Bharat before British was also secular. They are living proof that any religion can survive in India even when they were chased out of their own homeland. That Mr Tharoor is Hindu for you. Large hearted.
Go read his book he says the same thing. He has highly appraised Hindu religion.
I wonder why Ram Madhav had to bring up Nehru and Ambedkar to prove his point of Hindus being inherently secular. All one needs is to read any of the works of the proponents of Hindutva (Savarkar, Golwalkar et all) to understand how their idea of India has no compatibility with that of Nehru and Ambedkar's. Seems like Ram Madhav is ashamed of openly admitting in public his original views.
Hey, You seem to know what Hindu means, Can you please explain what a Hindu is to me? because my friends who call themselves Hindus did not do a good job explaining it. Thanks
@@stalinsampras Anyone born with a caste at birth is a Hindu. All other definitions are only attempts at hiding that fact.
@@aman26452 okay then are you suggesting that some 5+ crores Indian tribals as not Hindus?
And what about lingayats in Karnataka they do not have any caste system, so they are not Hindus?
They would be pleased to hear that because even they say they are not Hindus and their religion should be considered as a new religion but the supreme court rejected it
We need Shashi Tharoor to get back the democracy in India our indians need peace & freedom like we did have during the time of congress,
Ram Madhav and shashi tharoor ,
What a deadly combination of ideas and great debate... Would really love to see tharoor leading congress and ram leading BJP..
Certainly about that time .. would be a pleasent trickle down effect all around India. .
Is Idea of lndia without ' secularism' since founders of constitution did not include secularism in original constitution?Tharoorji ,discuss why Dr Ambedkar/ Patel/Nehru did not include secularism..in the constitution ? Also discuss the status of neighbouring countries with regard to secularism and partition in1947- its impact. Many listeners do not know it . HarHarMahadev
Shashi has already spoken that many laws of constitution are already secular like freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc. So even if word secularism is not mention in constitution, yet many laws are themselves secular.
@@munafghori4052 that's pluralism
Ram Madhav is very good in countering eloquent Tharoor...
It's like, Shashi Tharoor kept Ram's chappal in Ram's hand and asking him to beat himself 😂, until he bleed 😂😆.
Anchor have most of the question against opposition leader not with the one who is in office🙄
That's called Godi media
Piche Madhir has bas
Literally the first 75% of the debate is aimed on BJP and their performance... did you not listen?
@@shaners1591 Exactly my thoughts !
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The real godi media are NDTV, wire, quint, Dhoort Rathee, Akash Bannerji and their stupid andh bhakts
Taroor's idea is good. Being a congress man, he has to support his party. Good presentation and less insult. 👏
Congress idea of india is week, and shallow and compromised
@@Raj-gc2rc ram should be made pm instead of modi, if RSS permit and had Democracy in them.
shashi tharoor is so logical and wonderful. India and it's secularism multiculture society wow wonderful.
With due respect sir, that fcuking secularism is fcuking very badly to society of India.
Not only india, world shouldn't devidedb on religion.
Secularism was introduced very late in the constitution.India has always been tolerant to tolerant but not to intolerant.Gandhi's idea of turning the other cheek is not applicable in the real world.
@Akash Lord read history and come here who divided the country in the name of religion.these secularism is added in around 1987 like that it was not there first in constitution they added later.
Don’t simply bark here hindutva, hindu cults, everyone knows who the religious fanatics are
Ram was brilliant. very thorough with his argument, particularly on contentious citizenship bill. His explanation of constitution was also very convincing.
Respect Tarror ji for his great knowledge and experience in polity and politics
Respect Ram madhavn ji too he speaks the facts
This debate is too much for me😔 i am going back to sambit patra vs kanhaiya to find out is modiji really the father of sambit patra or not!! 🥺😊
Prove that Kanhaiya has done anything good for people
how can he do, did he become the MP from Bihar, let him be, then you'll ask these stupid questions.
@@agnidiptahomroy8656 Then why are some licking his boots inspite of being ZERO?
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You have no where to go to find your father.
Mr. Tharoor missing the point that CAA is about minorities of neighbouring countries. CAA is for saving the oppressed minorities.
Have oppressed "Indians" Minorities been solved, have problems of common Indian ppl been solved?
@@meckmillion7886 those oppressed indian minorities can go to india's neighbouring countries if they want
@@meckmillion7886 ha ha...CAA is on the positive side and is about other country minorities.
On the other hand, BJP trying to oppress MBC/SC/ST Hindus is certainly not a good thing.
Those oppressed minorites can be Muslim also.. for example a gay Muslim. CAA does not allow for that as it makes a line on religious grounds. That’s the issue
@@uzochiokeke4328 who are you to preach about Indians going to other countries.
Nice to hear such high quality debates then the other debates where people demean others
@@RojaJaneman Hello, I am not sure if you understood what i said. I was appreciating the debate and not criticizing it..Where is the question of getting frustrated ?