MAX VERSTAPPEN goes back to 2021 spec. Austrian GP Debrief
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- A slightly mundane Austrian GP comes to life in the final laps
- Was Max Verstappen too aggressive?
- Is Lando Norris the driver to take him on?
- George Russell wins for Mercedes!
Ammar beams in from he mountains ti have his say! - Спорт
Peter Windsor said the onboard shows Max steering never moved left and that Max was in front and entitled to defend his place.
Everyone else has said different
@@tyredf1pod I'm interested in the people who watch the onboards. I think Lando's lack of reaction to the squeeze is quite interesting.
@@tyredf1pod you talked with everyone else?
@@tyredf1pod You mean Buxton and Palmer? Yep because Max never ever comes on their post race formula 1 show. It was pay back time for Buxton end Palmer. Look how many video`s they have on the offical formula 1 channel about Max the last view months. And he is racing at his best level, race his ass off all the time.
Palmer and Buxton ? Wannabes
George said afterwards that Lando said the night before that he is gonna be aggressive towards Max , that says it all.
And Lando learnt the hard way what it meant for Max to respond. You just can’t out dirty drive Max
@@MrPwncake Nope. You can't stupidly divebomb him like a maniac. He fckd around and found out.
I actually had massive respect during the race for lando being every bit as aggressive as max. That's what we love to see, gloves off unapologetic aggressiveness. It was respectable that both of them did not budge either way and so they end up crashing instead. That is respectable. What I didn't like was lando afterwards pulling the friendship card saying that if max doesnt do this or that they won't be friends. That's just lame
@@MrPwncake that dirty driving he learnt that from british drivers
@@edijzerman5880 Alonzo does this, and always has. Lewis did this in 21.
Please remember that Lando chucked it down the inside and went flying past Max and out over the sausage kerb the lap prior. Max barely moved at all and had the inside line when they touched. The British coverage on Sky was so incredibly biased.
And the stewards?
@@tyredf1pod Johnnie Herbert!!! Do I need to say more?
@@tyredf1pod and they didn't penalise Lando for track limits either. Clear bias by Herbert
@@Lewythefly they gave him a 5s penalty didnt they?
@@tyredf1pod when it was too late and the damage was done
Lando had four track limit infringements that gave him an unfair advantage that's why he got a penalty , Oscar had one and look where it left him.
5 times, right? That’s why Lando got a penalty. And had RBR told that to Max, he would have driven differently.
that's the champion mindset.
i will never let you win.
Well if you gonna have that mindset! YOU damn better not whine/ Squeal like a P.I.G when others give you a dose of your own MADMAX medicine!! All of you youtubers n commentators enable this behavior by calling it "Elbows out" Tough Fair racing! NON of you called him out when he parked his car untop of the W12! Nor when he "Brake Check" SLH! 2021 you brush his antics under the carpet!! Now that he has wronged your other GIKDEN CHILD!! YOU want to call him OUT BUT said nothing on 2021!!!
honestly as a max verstappen fan... this is the max we love 😂😂 this sort of driving that makes the rivals and rival fans jump up like flees.. thats it!! the clinical racewins is cool but its not why we love him
To say that Max reverted or went back is a misnomer. Max is and has always been a cut throat driver in the vein of Senna and Schumacher.
The idea is with all 3 of them, that they will cause other drivers to ask themselves should I back down or we will crash.
He hasn't gone back anywhere. That is disrespectful to the relentless , no room for 2nd competitor that he is.
Yep, no reverting to anything. Max didn't really do anything that bad here. It's more the awkward nature of the corner that always sees issues arise.
If you take 4 bites at the apple you are likely to get the worm.
In other words, get the move done or its playing with fire and that's on you.
This situation has been blown way out of by proportion (by the F1 world in general, not referring to you two). The result was Lando DNF and Max dropped to fifth, but they just touched wheels. The incident itself was minor.
So, because the incident itself was minor we should ignore the dirty driving around it and even worse ignore the fact that Max tried to take Lando out after they collided...
Exactly. Like Max was trying to kill him. No word about pushing him into the grass at high speed in Spain the week before. BTW: No penalty there. Of course not.
@@till5520ooooh yeah and Lando didn’t try to kill max 3 times, hypocrite at its finest
@@till5520Max did the same as what Lando did in Spain. It’s only killing a driver when max does it, “f1 fans” so called right?? Lando fanboys are the biggest hypocrites
@@noomade BS... there is nothing dirty about Max's driving over this incident. Just watch Max's overtake on Sainz last year, the exact same corner, identical situation: Sainz covers the inside, Max goes for the outside and Sainz squeezes him back, which is totally normal movement in order to square off the corner. The difference was that in the previous year, Max climbs over the kerb (which is the normal line in that particular corner) in order to avoid Sainz, switches back on him and gets the move done. Lando didn't do the same and just held his line straight instead of climbing the kerb like Max did the year before. Am I saying Lando is at fault? No. Neither are.. it was just a racing incident where drivers are trying to give each other a difficult time and end up banging wheels. F1 has become this pussy environment where every little minor incident has to be noted and someone blamed, where many times there is anybody to blame.
British drivers want their wins on a plate , not fight for it.
Lol
Lando did grow up with a Silver spoon in his mouth
You nailed it. They have a history of crying if they don't get it. Good on Max for standing up to them.
max left enough room, no shifting of steering wheel, the road curve itself was tilting. Sad that this podcast stating the opposite. Accident was unfortunate but both were driving to limits and it was a fair fight.
More power to both Max and Norris !
So Oscar got a grid penalty and Norris for four infringements 5 seconds ???
They can't handle Max
A lot of overreacting to tiny movements and a little thouch that was just weird both punctures of it aswell . Only sky sport can blow up things max does wrong and it will take him another year of no mistakes to be in the sunlight again . This is what sky tocixity does with you . Hats off for Stefano . The only guy that really does not want to be part of the grave digging that is happening here . He is having none of it . Yes I’m a max fan and yes max was to blame but this is just overreacting and blowing out of proportion. They are racing and let them race . You think all of landos moves where not desperate? None of them were with the intention of both of them going trough that corner and max his defence is strong enough to be still there on the outside . Do I mind ? No im glad he tried . It was exciting
Yup - happy for Max to race how he wants to race, happy for Lando to race back the same way - but this is a pattern of racing that goes way back
Well you say pattern , I say they annoyed each other very much . If you are going to make moves that not even gonna make the corner then you can not expect from the other to stand by and watch .
Agreed, Verstappen barely moved. That defending at the Red Bull ring has been done countless of times. Incredible british bias.
Agree💯, Well told. you can see it happening right before your eyes how they do it. An elephant is made from a mouse. And then they see patterns and blow things up. But more and more people see through this.
@@Marltiodexactly this. Listen to Peter Windsor, he has the same opinion
Do you want racing or a rollover
Racing without crashing would be nice. Fernando Lewis Vettel all had amazing amazing battles without crashing 😂
Once again British people still hating on max they so angry about 2021 these two guys sound so silly max is one of the greatest drivers ever and they hate it plus he’s about to win number 4 and Lewis hasn’t won a championship in a while. If Lando has the fastest car y hasn’t he won only 1 race out of 5 these people sound so stupid
Pretty sure Ammar is from LA
@@tyredf1podJudging from the answer, this response from shez, right. British means British and it is true because this is inflated by the British and also the British reporters. Max Has been flawless for almost 40 races. And they come out of their cave and it gets blown up. And then it gets nasty. And then to come up with a response, Ammar is not British. In doing so you ignore the message and the common thread of the story to which you are responding.
Bringing up Lewis is front free activity😂
Man on the right… in your assessment on why Max is not one of the greatest, you are wrong. They (along with Senna and Schumacher) are among the greatest BECAUSE they do what it takes within the rules to win. You don’t seem to get it. But that’s ok. We are all Monday morning quarterbacking here.
Didn’t say he’s not ONE of the greatest
Just can’t put him in at the top. If it’s possible to win titles and races without banging wheels and putting ppl off the track then whoever does that has to be my GOAT
But that is just one opinion innit
Foreign drivers are judged by a different standard.
Let's not forget Silverstone 21 from Lewis. That could have resulted in a fatality the speed they were travelling at.
@@tyredf1pod no one is a "GOAT" then. All the champions have banged wheels, even Lewis
@@tyredf1pod What do you want? Snowflake drivers? Than Formula 1 will be boring and nobody watch it. Sinds Max is in F1 Formula 1 in booming. Watch a Nascar race of Indy, are day all dirty drivers? Is it a sport for psychopaths? It was a little brush and the consequents where big, sorry see you next race and get over it.
Do you know why max is known as crashstappen? Or a dirty driver? 😂 it’s self explanatory. Schumi and senna were not this dirty. Max is very dirty
You said Max fans are going to come after you in the comments. I'm not a Max fan (Mika and Kimi were my guys), and I'll say this: name me a Formula 1 defining world champion without the same level of aggression, and I'll find you a flying pig. The Brits point to Lewis as "clean". Really? REALLY? Kubica, Raikonnen, Massa, Vettel, Button, Rosberg, Albon, Verstappen - all victims of "uncompromising" (as you brits would call it) racecraft. Need one go on? Same goes for Schumi and his legendary dirty driving, or Senna's "you yield or we collide" moments.
I appreciate the effort of trying to be as impartial as possible. But you got it plain wrong here Shez.
Now, let's go to the race itself. Are we going to ignore the multiple divebombs that Lando executed? How did you think that Lando stuck so close to Max - driving over track limits, as i count, three times, after the black and white was given? The incident itself was clearly Max's fault (though Peter Windsor has made a pretty strong case to the contrary), but are we going to ignore the fact that Lando himself went (literally) beyond limits to overtake Max, leading up to the incident itself?
Cmon guys. We wanted hard racing. The racing was hard. Charles and Max proved in 2022 that the narrative spun on Max's driving is clearly overblown. Can we please stop ignoring facts and look at Formula 1 objectively, if you're in a "journalistic" position?
I want hard racing too. I was engrossed in that battle. The cut and thrust was great. But it ended with damage and a retirement because Max kept moving in the braking zone and eventually made contact with Lando
Aggression is all good. Love it. What I don’t need is moves that leave the other guy with nowhere to go and a crash inevitable. Schumi did that, senna did too. Your two Finns were absolutely the right line on this. Mika even had to tell Schumacher why he was driving like a nut job in Spa and Kimi was the epitome of clean but hard racing.
I’m just trying not to confuse aggression with putting your rival in the wall
@@tyredf1pod He did not get a penalty for moving under breaking. You made that up. It was for causing a accident. And you claiming Max left no room is stupid. This situation happens all the time in that corner for years. Fact is Norris refused to yield because HE knew the move would not stick. There was zero chance to overtake. He thought ok i will crach into you and see what happens.
@@johanfeenstra8778 The stewards are really incapable of analyzing an onboard. Max didn't move under breaking but are so biased they had to come up with something. Peter windsor explains perfectly how that touch happened. The DRS speed was too much for Lando to handle, they both took the outline of the corner and Max left enough space. Besides that the data apparently shows that Max took that corner like that the previous 60 laps as well.. it was a racing incident.
Max didnt know about the 5 seconds hell norris didnt know about it, so stop bringing that up.
Mentioned that and thanks for censoring
I’ve ripped the tv feeds and onboards…I’m working on syncing them up….you might be surprised. I’ve been watching these clips for the last two hours…the key is muting Jolyn Palmer…
Haha - I’ll check them out on your channel Nate. Can’t wait
Max really won this weekend. 11+ points gained in standings over Norris and Leclerc. Ruthless, uncompromising and sometimes a bit dirty. Gotta love Max.
Correct. Much like Senna and Schumacher there is no room for 2nd place.
Max won, FIA came second
Yeah it's ok when a white boy drives dirty
If Hamilton did that you racist white boys would be outraged.
@@cgf72 exactly this, we need more of this ! non of this softness and blame game.
100% Max is the winner here. Desperate? Lando was 100% at fault. Max had the inside. Schume and Senna would have done the absolute same
Not too much Brittish bias here :)
Ummm, I said at the beginning that I am a bonafide heartbroken Ferrari fan. Also, I am American 🇺🇸
Ammar
Ocon did the same move earlier in the race and FIA slept. So why shouldn't Max be allowed to? FIA slept until Lando decided to ignore Max's squeeze and deliberately crash, and here we are, questioning Max's racecraft when it has become apparent to me that it was Lando who completely lost his head.
Ok then
Incidents have to be referred to the stewards. If they’re not, nothing will happen.
@@tyredf1pod Fully agreed
Max lives freely in Lando's head.
What is this one way discussion, Max may defend his position and he gave enough space on the left. He didn't put Lando off the track, and Lando was still behind Max. It is just a race accident with both knowing what they did. Lando was on the limits he got to many times from the track. And Lando came 2 times inside and could not stop on time and Max breaks to not to get an accident with Lando.
It is just hard racing from both of them. Max has even more points now then when they were 1 and 2
I think the problem is he didnt leave enough space and moved late in the braking zone on three occasions prior
Check out ant Davidsons onboard analysis post race
Tell me your British without telling me your British 😂😂😂 you all cried about Max dominating, wanted more racing! Now you got it! Brace yourself 🦁
I'm American 🇺🇸
Ammar
Admit it guys. Gotta love Max. Who wants to see a driver move over to allow a clean DRS over take.
Max, Schumacher, Senna… they have all been controversial as they throw the kitchen sink at it to win the race. And boy did these legends do a lot of winning !!! Haha. Great. Fans all over the world love these battles. This is F1 at its best.
That Silverstone dude who blames Max for the decline in ticket sales… he should be thanking Max on his bare knees after this weekend. 😜
Schumi and senna were not this dirty.
@@livefast-xc8lmI mean…
Schumi did park it at rascasse in ‘06, put Damo out the race in Adelaide to win a title and got thrown out of a championship because of a move in Villeneuve
Similarly Senna admitted to T-boning his rival because he was annoyed about 1989
Max is cleaner than these guys but he’s been bathing in the same gene pool
The incident itself might have been relatively minor. The dirty driving might have been expected but I don't get how Max trying to take Lando out by running him off the track after they collied is not being addressed... Max really does think that this is iracing
Max doesn't see Charles like a threat... but Lando?😅
You’re wrong in thinking this was Max being short sighted. He has a long term plan for defeating Lando, just as he did Lewis.
Terrorize him into hesitation.
I also think Max respects LeClerc more and has a different way of racing him.
He’s looking at his rivals and planning ways to beat them over a season. In Lando’s case, Max’s approach seems to be to bully him.
Good point!
Ammar, Stella wasnt TP but mclaren TP Seidl did say basically the same thing after brazil 2021 as stella is saying now
Agreed!
This was not good for my blood pressure but the hard racing was right up there.
Red bull as a team dropt the ball and was lucky to come out with points in the end. I mean Max with all the track shenanigans, puncture and all that ended up still in front of Checo who wasn't able to go past a Haas😢😢
Something about Lando's retirement was nigeling though. After they both had a puncture Lando chased past Max with his damaged car to the pit. Do you think Lando damaged his car further by frying what was left of his tyres?
Max drove back at a much slower pace and could take new tyres .
Lando let his pride get the best of him in this race. He has been spoiling for a fight since he lost out on Max in Spain and the sprintrace and he was determined to win this race especially in front of Max's home crowd. Do you really think Max as a racer would allow that? Would you?
I'd like you to go back to the interview Lando had with Graig Slaiter after his Miami win.
And I quote " Max is not my friend"
That is what Lando said.
I thought that a bit disingenuous because they are obviously friendly but hey all is fair in love and racing.
I thought Oscar's reaction in the cooldown room was hilarious.
When George criticized Max and Lando's crash he very dryly answered : " well it got you the win didn't it". Mike drop.
NICO HULKENBERG....my man did excellent ending in P6.
The Silverstone promoter should have no problem selling out now because the British fans will come an mass now to Boo Max right.
Max should obviously watch his back at Copse corner.
Loved the racing Alice - was super aggressive and fun to watch. The ending wasn’t what I’d hoped for but guess you can’t have everything
I agree the Lando/Max friendship is either overplayed or is about to come to a crashing halt!
@@tyredf1pod The ending was what I expected and actually hoped for. I know it is a bit convoluted but I wanted to have that crash out of the way. Now they know their boundaries.
There’ll be more…
He was not Team principle in 2021. It was up to Toto to say it and keep say it 2021-2022!
Wasn’t that Lando penalty too late? If it was communicated on time, Max would have let him go and won the race It was a classic Fia f.u.
Yeh that’s a good point
Nope, Lando had great pace you never know what he could’ve done towards that gap.
@@livefast-xc8lmyour answer is a contradiction in itself
@@bhendrikabel max would let him go if he had the penalty was your point. Why would max let Lando go if he could just build up that gap to avoid the penalty and win the race. You just didn’t understand your own point or my statment.
@@livefast-xc8lm never heard of DRS?
I applaud the truth, and it was good to hear Max properly called out for his dangerous driving.
I cannot respect him because of that, just like I couldn't with Schumacher and Senna examples that you served up.
Give me Prost, Alonso and Hamilton types any day.
Verstappen squeezing Norris (2024) v Sainz squeezing Verstappen (2023)
👎 on you,
Something about Sainz and LeClerc
Great video, amazing insight. I like how you guys talked about the arc of Verstappen's driving style. And Shez is right. Max did not get better; he simply didn't have to do better, because he was in the fastest car. I think this will all come to head, not when Max gets into an incident with another driver, but when Toto realizes he will not get Max. Only then will Toto decides to lobby for actual change along with other teams like McLaren and Ferrari. This is ultimately a Redbull issue(as always) and only with the combined effort of multiple teams can Redbull's bullying(there's no other word for their behavior) be stopped, permanently.
23:05
I agree with this but I will answer why Charles battles max the best, they’ve raced each other since kids.
Similar to Lewis and Nico racing each other since kids and they’ve had 99.9% clean battles throughout their career.
It’s all about how long you’ve been racing your opponent. You know similar tendencies.
Listen to Peter Windsors!!!! Desperate pfffff
What if I did…
…But I don’t agree?
The hate to Max is unbelievable…well everyone is entitled in their own opinion & believe on what they want to believe😂 It takes 2 to tango gentlemen….Max is not the only in the wrong
Max has the name crashtappen and isn’t known as one of the cleanest drivers down the grid. You have eyes
Max did not know Lando had track 5 s infraction penalty when they crashed together. Peter Windsor view is that max did not turn into Lando but even with no turned wheel the car naturally moved into Lando path and thus should not have been a penalty. And then there was much debate whether max should have had a pit interference penalty or a moving into path penalty. All of which was adjudicated by FIA. Obviously there are contrary views - and that's why FIA is there. I think that the collision was a race incident. But the FIA says not - and they are the judge - so I accept it. Others say Lando pit infractions were not - again that's why we have FIA. Why can't others accept that the other 2 turn ins are properly judged. The irony is that RB chose a bad tire strategy (used mediums), lost 3 seconds in pits, and RB still gained in driver and constructor competitions because the 4,5,6th drivers got more points but they are so far behind it does not matters, and Lando had a hissy fit and did not go back out because he was upset. Let's just get ready for another fun race next weekend.
Silverstone gonna be spicy!🌶️
I'm a new listener and the sound quality is the first that almost deterred me. You really should get a proper mic to everyone who is invited or comes to this podcast. Apple's headsets are awful, you can buy a wired headset for 5 bucks which has 10 times better audio quality. :) Just a recommendation.
Thanks Ronai, we were just having some technical difficulties today.
Usually both of us have a dedicated mic, camera and lighting set up but Ammar was away from his desk
Hopefully normal service resumed on the next one!
I disagree with Stella big time. Lewis is just as dirty as all the others. Only you are blind to that. I have nothing particular against Hamilton btw.
Example?
Shez is as always the inevitable smart ass. Maybe he should listen to the honourable Peter Windsor
Man, he really is
Peter Windsor on the other hand can never be wrong
29:57
Mercedes reposted Lewis had floor damage and side pod damage which was worth about 2.5-3 tenths a lap which is huge around Austria given that the lap is so short.
The fact that he was still able to finish 4th is a great feat in itself. Lewis was definitely on for the win without that damage but credit to George.
Nobody seems to have got there but we put the picture of the damage up in the video
@@tyredf1pod the other guy was seems to imply Lewis car damage wouldn’t mean much to his pace. The one on the left seemed to brush off the damage Lewis had. Not sure if you guys fact check data and post race reports before you film so some things might be untrue if you say something without having all the info. That’s all.
@@livefast-xc8lmI think that’s unfair Livefast.
We commented on the floor damage, put a picture of it up and discussed its effect on Lewis’ performance. However the reality is he got that damage because he ran over kerbs as per Mercedes themselves, so it’s fair to criticise him for that imo. Or is it just that we didn’t praise his performance in light of his damage as much as you would like us to?
Perhaps our interpretation of this and our opinion does not match yours, but that doesn’t mean we haven’t done the due diligence. It just means we took that information and reached a different conclusion to you
how do you deal with a bully?
you bully the bully.
16:20 Where was Stella in 2021? That is the question. everybody now is starting to remember 2021 while they all were quite at that time
Exactly. When it’s not your business you really don’t have an opinion because it’s not effecting you at the moment. But when it does start effecting you then people start to have opinions.
Now McLaren are dealing with it so it’s an issue for them.
Some people are blaming completely Max others completely Lando and that is just not the case. I believe both drivers had their roll in that collision that you could see coming from laps ahead considering the way max was moving in the breaking it was only inevitable that Lando was going to loose his patience. Regardless of what people want to see max was pulling dangerous moves and Lando was also making clumsy divebombs. Max had every right to defend his position but there are other ways, I didn’t like that max didn’t give the position back after Lando did. This will to be another lesson for Lando which I’m sure he’ll take, people are so quick to criticize but if you think about this is the very first genuine battle they’ve had other times it’s been just Lando chasing max or Lando letting by max for the obvious reason that the car was just way better than his and he doesn’t want to ruin his race so of course he’s not going to win this first battle against a 3 time world champion that’s had years of front line experience. People are going to be quick to say “well Charles can do it” of course he can Charles is a fantastic driver but he’s also been racing max for the majority of his life. Also has been in a Ferrari which has arguably been one of the fastest cars the last few years even though not the fastest. I believe right now that there are two drivers that know exactly who max is and how he drives and those are Lewis and Charles because they’ve experienced it first hand. Lando doesn’t have that experience because one way or another the opportunity to race each other in similar machinery hadn’t come. Although I do have a feeling that if max was doing what he was doing any other young driver with no experience fighting max would have reacted like Lando. I am a fan of multiple drivers including max so take it with a grain of salt and don’t bash me people.
Really good summary
Agree with lots of that
Think there’s a disparity between what Lando expected in a fight with Max and the reality of it. Max on the other hand will just say - “this is how I race”
@@tyredf1pod I agree
Part of this was showing Lando that Max will not give way. Ever. max is establishing dominance.
If RBR had simply told Max about Norris’ time penalty we could have avoided all this. His team let him down with a late stop, then a slow stop and then no penalty info.
Norris was gaining by exceeding the limits. He made several moves that themselves were outside the lines. And YES, max moved twice (just a little) under braking at the accident corner. But Max had to take evasive measures to avoid previous collisions that would have netted Lando a penalty.
To me this was an equal part accident and all the blame should not be apportioned to Max. Call it 60-40.
Would you give the same for Silverstone 2021?
Lando got a penalty for exceeding track limits. Max got one for colliding with Lando (not leaving enough space on the outside). Lando made single committed moves, Max - as you say - moved late in the braking zone to defend, not to evade collision.
Pretty sure evading means moving away from the attacker, not towards them…
@@tyredf1pod Max also had to avoid a collision when Lando went steaming up the inside and overshot the corner. Had he held the line, Lando would’ve caused a collision. That’s why Max wasn’t given a penalty for gaining an advantage, because he went off avoiding that.
Lewis got away with gaining a big advantage in Abu Dhabi 21 but no one remembers that as no one will remember anything about Austria 24 but this collision.
Max was at fault. But Lando wasn’t some squeaky clean school boy either.
There WAS room for Lando to avoid that collision but like Max, he didn’t want to give way. It’s a battle of wills when the equipment is equal.
Max got a penalty but to suggest only he was at fault is delusional. Lando is never going to defeat Max by being Max. Like Charles, he’ll need to find his own way to get the upper hand.
26:04
They dod have the quickest car. I think what you mean is they don’t have the rb19 type of gap to other teams like last year.
So they can’t have pits stop mistakes or strategy mistakes because McLaren or Ferrari or even sometimes Merc can capitalize off of redbulls mistakes because their cars are a lot closer this year unlike last year and part of 2022.
Redbulls car was better all round in Austria.
Not at the end of the race on those tyres it wasn’t
@@tyredf1pod correct, are we going to overlook the first 2 stints then by your logic? Redbull had the pace advantage on the first 2 stints, McLaren on the last stint. That’s still advantage Redbull by your logic based on who had the better stints
but again I think that it looked like that in the 3rd stint because of the bad pit stop and max having traffic.
He also locked up going into turn 4 I think which cause a bit of a flat spot which causes vibration so he might of been struggling with that but if Lando wasn’t that close I believe max could’ve managed that better without that pressure. Once max is in pressure he makes mistakes and you can hear the radio calls he’s always panicking in those situations
Lewis had floor damage and a gaping hole that affected his pace.
Says Lewis and Toto making excuses
@Lewythefly WTH do you mean making excuses. I saw the car after the race with the hole on the side.
@@lalalittle3900 I'm sure there are photos of this then?
@@Lewythefly Yep. Go find them.
@@Lewythefly 30:03
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Wow, all the armchair Champions should stick to driving shopping carts. Lando has lots to learn and Max can teach him. Lovely
How does one compete for armchair championship? Asking for a friend
@@tyredf1pod You have to climb the Podcast ladder and establish yourself, British accent appears to assist
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@@tyredf1pod
Well done George , Oscar nearly
again these two. Watch Peter Windsor instead fellas. If you need objectivity avoid these two with a 10 foot pole.
Says the dude with Max in their profile pic and YT handle…
This Peter Windsor? ua-cam.com/video/aqU7PMXHeNo/v-deo.htmlsi=q-4VO-58EiWDyRr3
@@tyredf1pod I know right 😂 watch Peter Windsor though
@@RBRMV1 have done, don’t agree. I suppose you watched/listened to Johnny Herbert (steward); Alex Kalinauckus, Jon Noble (autosport); Edd Straw, Scott Mitchell-Malm, Mark Hughes (the-race), David Croft, Martin Brundle, Damon Hill (SkySports F1); Will Buxton, Jolyon Palmer (F1)
Also I suppose that if you think this was “hard racing” as per Peter Windsor - you think the same about Silverstone 2021 yeh?
Never knew this pod attracted so many Crashstappen fans, wow another place which is toxic I guess.
Just passionate fans.
Happy to cater to all views! 😬
Lando is equal desperate,, he goes outside track limits,, he locks up,, he was desperate,, just last week at the start,, Lando pushed Max onto the grass, almost put Max into the pit wall... Yes Max was desperate, Lando is equal desperate..
Yeh fair - dunno how much time he gained on Max through track limits infringements so I agree
If only you knew how many times max has done that exact move. Do you know how he got the name crashstappen? Max is not known for being a clean driver. Lando wanted to pass max to create that 5s gap, ofc he’s desperate.
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McLaren did not have the quicker car. Not at all. If you say something like this you have to back it up with data.
Redbull had the quicker car, f1 team personnel have said it in interviews from Austria, redbull did have the faster car.
Lando got close because of a botched pitstop by Redbull and max having bad traffic.
@@livefast-xc8lmcool I assume you’re going to show me the data then…
Lando seemed to be gaining on Max pretty quick in that last stint
So did all champions
Max did nothing wrong there i suggest you all get some glasses. Lando made a stupid move, how do you ever going to get past like that???
Maybe let the stewards know
Ammar, for once that your video is good, your audio is terrible. Now you just need to combine the 2 goods. 😊
Sorry mate, not at base this week
Top notch Max is the best and brings out the litlle haters. Just last week Norris puts him on the grass and calls it hard racing and now he's crying like a little cheerleader 🤣😝😜 boy got schooled today
Please stop interrupting each other while speaking. It's difficult to follow the commentary in that format.
Ah apologies - sometimes in the heat of the moment it’s very difficult
We’ll work on it
Thank you!
@@tyredf1pod well done on the podcast 👏
Look at that clickbait...PATHETIC!
Thanks for the comment…insightful!
Max raced dirty this race. I think he was saying only I win or no one will
Max was always ruthless, the other drivers were just always letting him pass without a fight. They would always fight Lewis but let max through. Qith elbows out they will find out pretty quicknthat Max doesnt back out.
They fought Lewis because he is widely known as a clean driver besides some hiccups. Max is very very known as crashtappen and a dirty driver up and down the paddock. Just do some research you’ll know that.
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Agreed 100% just because you have that win everything mentality, you don’t need to simultaneously have that yield or we crash mentality also. We want to see cars finish races for the win not crash because you might lose… he’s worse than schumi and senna was by far
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This is why Lewis will always be the greatest Formula 1 driver in my opinion. In my 42 years of following Formula 1, he is the cleanest, most fair, complete driver I've ever seen. That's why he edges it for me. Max seems to be in the Senna, Schumacher mould of win at all costs. Not the greatest trait in my opinion.
What a joke the cleanest driver ever, you better watch some races of him back and put on some glasses.
@@av1nash234 Compared to the other greats, he's the cleanest, fairest, that I've ever seen. I'm saying the others I mentioned have been involved in controversial world champion winning results. Lewis hasn't. He's clean. Maybe you need to look at the other greats that I'm comparing him to. And the history.
Lewis just in the last race bumped Sainz and laughed about it when asked in the press conference later.
@@Selendeki That's not what I was saying. With you guys it has to be this person's better than that person. Hate, hate hate. Lewis has his incidents ofcourse. All I'm saying is, that in my 42 years of following F1, I've seen 4 of the drivers who are amongst the greatest F1 drivers to have ever lived. 5 with Prost, but I'll leave him out of this example. But I'm saying Hamilton is the best driver ever, because he has the edge through his calm and considered racing.
All the people replying got blinders and not understanding what you mean😂 no one’s saying Lewis is crash free driver. Butttttt compared to the other greats in the GOAT convo, Lewis is widley known as the cleanest driver in f1 history. You have drivers and team principals and f1 personell saying they don’t fear when their driver is racing Lewis bc they know he will fight hard but clean. Max on the other hand, has the grid fearful because he will take you out. Simple