Aside from the obvious drama - Max -> Had a bad pitstop + went wide on the outlap + spent time fighting with Lando + collided with Lando + Limped back to pits + Had an extra pitstop = still finished 17 seconds ahead of Perez, who finished behind a Haas. What on earth is going on with Perez???
He is and has always been mid. People forget that the Pink Mercedes was winning the WDC the year before and even Stroll managed to podium in it. When the 2022 regs hit, he seemed closer to Max because neither driver were comfortable in the car. But once they did, Max hit the floor running and Perez got exposed.
Verstappen doesn't want to loose... Had a dramatic pitstop, probably was very angry about it, tried hard to drive away, made a braking error, got more angry, didn't want to give up for the orange army, and made an error.. thats it.
23:14 That last track limit from Lando was not him being pushed off by Max though. That was the one where he dive bombed on the inside at turn 3, completely missed his braking point, locked up and ran wide all on his own and where Max, who was already turning in had to correct mid movement to avoid a collision. That one was on Lando and not a very smart thing to do when you have just received a black and white flag telling you that was your final track limit warning. So yes it may be annoying but I think this system is better than having a subjective opinion system where the stewards have to judge each and every instance to see if someone really gained an advantage, because like you said earlier in the podcast that would open up an even bigger can of worms of teams protesting and us not getting a final result until hours after the finish.
agree. What race did these two watch? The track limit was because Lando Dive bombed and slide off the track. its not about gaining time, the dive bomb equally slowed Max down because he had to avert the move.
British media be like... Senna: always on the edge of the rules - legend. Schumacher: always on the edge of the rules - legend. Verstappen: always on the edge of the rules - the actual devil.
British press did not call Schumacher a legend till much much later, at the time he was vilified. As for Max he’s a genius but he can’t be allowed to keep getting away with moving under breaking like that, it’s bloody dangerous. The squeezing that caused the accident was the least bad of the incidents, I agree that happens, though needs to be reviewed carefully.
@@themightyant. Yep true. Does that make it acceptable to continue doing that? I would just like both sides to be given a fair argument. I haven't seen one journo or youtuber ask the question of what Lando was doing on the outside at that corner. He wasn't alongside so was he lunging around the outside? Seems very risky. Not defending Max but arguing both sides would be far more interesting than just bashing Max.
are you referring to this video, or the general (mainly, but not exclusively brit) media? because i think M and T has pretty much been the only realistic punters out here.
The butterfly effect of that slow Red Bull pitstop is crazy lol. Not only could it have started a chain of events that affect the Driver's Championship, but also may have played a role in ending the seemingly most genuine friendship on the grid.
If we're talking butterfly effects, I want to add that Horner's controversy which created tension in the team and made Adrian Newey leave, probably slowed Red Bull's development and allowed McLaren to catch up
I think this was unavoidable because both teams knew the penalty was coming. Commentors where already saying only way Norris wins if he creates a gap of 5 sec after overtake, so it was just hunger of max and ambition of Norris
Lando was faster than Max, if he got by, he's making the 5 seconds up with the time that they had. Also, it makes no difference when they announce it Lando is not going to yield just because he gets a penalty, if anything he'll apply more pressure, because the cost is even greater. I don't think it's any difference from how the FIA normally are, they're always about show, after all, they let Max move under braking and gain an advantage when Lando dive bombed inside of him for the lead. They said nothing then, why is it an issue if they're quite about a penalty for a bit.. if anything that's the least of their faults.
Nah, Max was always going to go for the on track win. But seriously I don't see the issue with the defending. Alonso and other legends defend like that all the time. He wasn't swerving wildly or anything. The accident was his fault, though. With that being said, Lando could've also avoided it using the curbing, not that legally he has to. I'm just saying everyone here knew what they were doing.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks- Lando had fresher tires, and constantly had DRS of course...which Max would have had if Lando had passed him. At some moment, the fresher tire advantage levels out. So I'm not so sure Lando would have been able to make up 5 seconds. The RB was clearly faster in the first part of the race.
In the review of the track limits violation it was confirmed that Norris violated 4 track limits AFTER his black and white flag and it was still all before the Lando and max collision, so that is definitely influencing the race by giving the penalty 5 laps later!
Who violates track limits that many times? Someone who is driving recklessly and desperately. Lando has a ton of maturing to do if he wants to win races. A more mature driver would have bided his time, waiting for the RIGHT moment. But Norris dive bombed again and again and again, taking foolish chances. If anything, Max probably saved him from a shunt because he just kept getting more frustrated with each corner. Norris was also so desperate to get past Max that he kept racing when he had a puncture. Max got out of the way, slowed down and headed for the pits. Norris kept gunning it until his tire shredded and his car was coming apart. Had Norris kept his cool, he would have slowed down, went into the pits and continued in with his race. He could have served his 5 second penalty too.
You can say the same about Lando tho. The divebombs where almost kyvat like . A few of those he didn’t make aswell A little bit desperate I would say . He would have easily get by max if he waited just a little bit .
Sainz doesn't have a history of this sort of behaviour, say what you want about sainz's aggression but until this season leclerc and sainz have never made contact despite hard racing. Sainz knows where the line is. Max is a once in a generation talent no doubt about it, arguably the best driver on the grid he just needs to stop being a sore loser.
Precedent for leaving the track and keeping the position "becaused he pushed me off" was set in Abu Dhabi 2021, lap 1, by Lewis. Funnily enough, Max was the victim there.
@@uriuruiru because British drivers rarely can be at fault. They really love to pile it on Verstappen if they can. Buxton and Palmer were clowns in their post race show. I really hope Max sticks it these biased c*unts at the beloved home race.
Lando did not got the 4th track limit warning because he was pushed off by Verstapen, he outbraked himself and went off track or did Matt and Tommy watche some other race?
No they're doing the thing they said they weren't going to do and prematurely make statements or get baited by SkyF1 articles, like not mentioning that Max said he would have to rewatch before he makes any definitive statements, and even later, when Max admitted it was a clumsy incident.
Too bad the commentators on F1tv has the worst british bias ever. Hard fighting, Max overdid it, so did Lando, but if you just listen to f1tv pundits you would think max jumped out of the car and shot a rocket launcher at Lando
I’m a Max fan here. The guy was borderline dirty and we need to accept it. Made 2 borderline illegal moves in the braking zone and squeezed Lando on his 3rd try. Any other position, driver would’ve gotten a penalty but because it’s a fight for 1st. Grey areas appear in the rule book magically.
@@aaronnatorI totally agree that max was definitely right on the line (and probably over it). However so was lando, they were both racing extremely agressivly and bound to crash eventually.
@@HansoenIt was really passing me off. Crafty saying “lando learned what it’s like to race max vertappen” or something along those lines. All while ignoring Landos dive bombs that pushed max off. They were both driving extremely aggressively, it wasn’t just max.
Divebombs that push someone off on exit are allowed and have been Max's go to move his whole career. Just get to apex first and it's allowed. Moving under braking is not. Norris went off once so correctly gave the position back. Max went off deliberately to keep the position.
As a Max fan, good for Lando in not just letting Max go. Good for him to taking the fight to Max. I like that the FIA let them race. Races are so boring when they look like cars racing each other are on rails. Without the car damage I hope we see this leveling of battling for the rest of the season. I wish every driver raced as hard as both these two did.
@@gothicusmaximus5697squeezing drivers is a common occurrence, literally happens all the time. You just don't hear about it unless it leads to a collision. Lando last week, leclarc 2023 and so many more.
Hard racing is fine....as long as it's fair. Moving under braking is dangerous and track limits violations aren't. For the stewards to investigate track limits but not investigate moving in the braking zone is simply perverse. Lando left the track and gave the position back. Max left the track and gained an advantage and didn't return the position.
@@ovt8454 Hamilton could have passed him safely in that occasion, since Verstappen had to give up the position. They decided to play a form of DRS chicken instead, very badly I might add.
Why are you debating about Norris’s track limits penalty. His penalty was for diving up the inside at turn 3, locking up and not being able to make the corner. Max didn’t push him wide or force him off. He outbraked himself and went off the track so it’s obviously a track limits violation not a racing incident. Just because he’s going for an overtake doesn’t mean it should be treated any differently.
You guys didn't really talk about Lando locking up when sending it into turn 3. Two laps before Max went off track to keep position Lando out braked himself and sent both of them off the track. If Max stays on track there's every likelihood Lando causes the crash becasue he locks up again. He used the same move in the sprint race as well... Lando need to make the move cleanly with room for Max on the outside and I don't think he got that done.
Yeah this puzzled me too. Especially as tommy SAYS he is a big max fan and the inchident had nothing to do with matts leclerc, i thought they would be objective about the case. Yet the questionable moves of lando seem to be skipped by everyone lol. Im a max AND lando fan though, love them to bits, but ive seen some on/over the limit stuff from them both this weekend, which is fine and cheeky cuz both did it, but it just happened to not end well for them both THIS TIME, so kind of an extra disappointing race for me. Yet the one sided blaming of P1, the lando tracklimitpenalty taking years vs fairly fast max penalty given by steward johnny Herbert (who allegedly got fired from sky for saying shit like max robbed a title)(who could also see on max his boardcam that the road bends there and didnt steer), Hill Kravitz Brundle and Buxton slightly stirring up the hate in the media again, implying a monster has reawakened, it saddens me deeply. They completely disregard the amount of influence they actually have on the amount of people who find it hard to form an own opinion about racing rules as they are confusing as fk. So if public "experts" blame one side and forget to mention the other, many fans will blindly trust everything such public figures say, only causing unnecessary resentment and hate on social media, especially as sky also denies brits the option of choosing f1tv. The last thing we need is more resentment in our lovely sport. Sometimes a shit race or incidents just happen, even when 2 greats are involved, its just how it is. Its not like nico and lewis crashed every race again after spain 2016 either. Hopefully silverstone will provide some proper beautiful racing again like the friggin fiery lions max and lando have showed before! Theyll fight it out on track instead, so the media can focus more on an OBJECTIVE and complete analysis afterwards about EVERYTHING that happened, not just a part of it because the other part happens to have their british nationality. If you are looking for a proper analysis i can recommend Peter Windsors take by the way he checked board cameras and both their actions, was a pleasant surprise.
There's a video comparing the collision with Lando with a video from a previous Austrian GP where Max comes up on the outside with Sainz moving over to the left at the same point and leaving a very similar amount of room. In that case Max simply moved left a bit more on the kerb himself to avoid a collision and then goes for the switch back coming out of the corner. After seeing that I'm more inclined towards it being a racing incident as there was room for Lando to move left as well to avoid the collision. Anyway, whatever it was it's sad it ended the way it did because it was a great battle.
absolutely, I still can't understand what lando was going for there on the outside.way too impatient and doesnt prepare his overtakes smart enough. He never really tried something in T4.
It's about obligation. Lando being able to take more kerb, doesn't change the fact that Max didn't leave a cars width. You are not obliged to cover up another driver's rule breaking by moving out onto the kerb. It's only a racing incident so long as both drivers stay within the rules. If one of them breaks the rules, they are liable for any collision that comes of it.
@@Dagr8soldjer My point is that so many drivers in every race over the years have done exactly what Max did in that corner and sometimes squeezing the driver on the outside even more and it never got punished for any of them. Where was all this outrage and drama-hyping in all those other instances?
@@Dagr8soldjer there was like 93% of a car width, excl. the kerb. There was a video floating around from a previous year. but with Max behind and on the outside. He took way more Kerb and was able to cut back and in the end overtake cleanly. Lando did not try everything to prevent it either
All of this comes down to “both of them made questionable moves. Max dodged. Lando wasn’t talented enough to avoid the crash” but because Max’s mistake had the consequences, everyone ignores Lando doing the same thing 3x before 😂
The track limit violation from Norris that gave him the pen did not come from Verstappen pushing him wide what are you yapping about? It came from Norris divebombing and going way too deep. Then it took like 10 laps for the pen to be given.
@@KLC6432 It's not an issue of "conspiracy" - it's the ridiculous bias and tiresome whinging from the British fans, youtubers and Press in particular whenever one of their drivers has an "incident". Russell in Australia is a classic case in point.
@@KLC6432 the crash was fault of max but Norris tried 3 times before the crash and didnt get pass cuz of he was too far behind, why didnt norris learn from that and wait untill he get closer to max (he was faster then max) and pass max cleanly. You could this coming that something will go wrong before the crash.
I don't see how it matters. Penalty was after the pit stop. Wouldn't have been served before the race ended. If anything, Norris would have been fighting to build a 5 sec gap if he could.
Because they’re not remotely comparable. Tight squeezing down to T1 and moving under braking, overtaking off track, causing a collision, and THEN squeezing off track are not comparable to each other.
@@tarettime9392I don’t think the point is that they’re comparable. The media is making it out like Lando is a clean faultless driver. He’s not. Leading up to the incident, Lando was reckless. The incident itself, Max was at fault.
@@thecompanioncube4211 You say that like it's a bad thing...I am so sick of this F1 fan mantra that consequences don't matter. Consequences are, by self-definition, _consequential._ This desire to ignore consequences but also somehow came up with procedural penalties that are perfect and align with what is "right" for any given situation is maddening. Let consequences matter, because they do. To say otherwise is just to lie to ourselves and I'm tired of it!
Honest question, why on earth are you recording this podcast without even checking what happened in the race? Perez drove the ENTIRE race with a massive hole in his sidepod. You could stick a person's head inside it with room to spare... Plus, you've both made completely up contradicting points when you were talking about penalties. And that comment about Gasly and Albon Vs Perez... Do you guys seriously need reminding that Gasly was ACTUALLY getting lapped by Max regularly? Perez with tons of damage didn't get lapped, Gasly did in a perfectly fine car. Come on this is ridiculous. Honestly guys, record this thing 15 minutes later and just take the time to look up what the hell happened.... Its a worthless discussion if you record this sruff right after the finish line. I'm sorry, but for an engaged fan with some knowledge about the sport this uninformed, rushed, and not thought through rant holds zero value.
I noticed this too for a bunch of different things this podcast. They appeared to have missed almost all of the Haas vs. Ricciardo vs. Alpine battle in the second half of the race and didn't notice until looking at the final results that Ricciardo finished in the top 10. Then when they did notice they chalked it up to him gaining places because of the Max/Lando crash (???) when the reality was that Dan was in the top 10 for a big chunk of the race, did an Albon-like defense his entire last stint on old hard tires against faster Alpine cars on fresher, softer tires, was in 10th on merit before the crash moved him up to 9th, and then saved his tires so much that he was able to battle with Magnussen for 8th for the last few laps. With how awful the VCARB has been recently and where Tsunoda ended up (14th, 20+ seconds down on Danny.), it would have been nice to see them give Ricciardo at least a bit of credit given that they heaped well-deserved praise on Haas, who did the same thing Ricciardo did but with a faster car that isn't a frankenstein mess of different spec parts. I understand the benefit of getting a podcast/video up quickly when something like the Lando/Max crash happens, but given how many people watch these videos and listen to the podcast, taking a bit of time to get the facts straight and learning the necessary context for the events of the race would be the right thing to do. It takes more work but makes it easier for fans to understand what happened and stops people from being misinformed.
no, that was an amazing overtake but the constellation of the sun, the moon and Max's intention to make the corner before forest eventually made Driver-of-the-day forget to brake and turn in. What an atrocious behaviour. Max should be made to give the win for next week's race to all British drivers. Yes ALL, because it's nice, and 2nd place to Charles because he had so much bad luck and 3rd to Hulkenberg because he also deserve a podium and they should make the Alpine drivers sing Kumba Ya at a campfire and everybody should just get along well. Also, LEAVE LANDO ALONE
@@Pidea14 I wouldn’t say washed. But Matt unironically saying Charles driver of the day? Not having that. Charles messed up in quali which was his own fault, started out of position, got squeezed at the start, had a poor race because out of position. If that was any other top driver the two of them would be all over that, giving the driver a 4 out of 10 because poor quali put them there. I bet Matt gives Charles an undeserved 8/10.
Same bro, where I live race began at 6am and I accidentally setup my alarm for every day of the week except for sunday :c Woke up just to see Lando crash into Max Xd
the answer to the question of who is guilty is already known here with all those british fanboys here. Question for the British, do you have self-reflection because I have the feeling that it is lacking and that may be the reason why you always blame someone else?
Hey Matt please go revise what your thoughts were for the Charlie defence on Lewis at the end of the Monza race a few years back. Funny how things work out when it’s your fav driver or fellow countrymen.
Unpopular opinion. While Max is at fault for the incident, Lando easily could had been named at fault if Max hadn’t avoided contact on the earlier dive bomb attempts.
That's racing. Max was too aggressive with his defence and Lando was too aggressive with the attack but ultimately Max caused the crash and that's the end of it.
Max didn’t avoid contact on the dive bombs. Those were quality attempts. On the other hand they didn’t work because max was moving under braking and overtook off track to keep position. The only way a collision would’ve happened sooner is if max drove even more poorly
I agree, if the other driver has to take avoiding action, a penalty should be given. Since when did forcing drivers of the track become "hard racing" perez should have got a penalty on lap 1 aswell
Forgetting that Lando had a 5 second penalty and just saying Lando would have won the race. . . Also saying that Mclaren had the best car when Max was driving away and was 8 seconds ahead at one point in the race.
@Bobby09LFC max would have been in drs and lando already locked up his new tyres on his 2nd attempt at passing in turn 3. And there was like 8 laps remaining at that point.
Max's fault... sure, was a huge mistake? fk no... Alonso's move on Zhou was far worse...Max's move was just unfortunate. before that Lando also went in recklessly on the inside in the hairpin and Max had to avoid (driving wide) and extra heavy break to avoid Lando... overall... good racing m8... extreme, but that's exactly how it should be.
After years of waiting the Max haters finally have something to moan about again. It was hard racing. Great to see. We all love this. It’s called RACING ok !!! Lando crying after the race is spoiled prat behavior. Just get on with it and keep having these hard fights. It’s what everybody in the world wants to see. 🔥🔥🔥 Oh and that Silverstone dude who was recently complaining about Max being responsible for declining ticket sales….. he should thank Max on his bare knees after today’s race. 💩
Norris never got an amazing run. He was sending it from 3 and a half tenths behind at the braking zone. Credits for braking that late and not ending up in the barriers, but there is no way for Verstappen to take that corner normally as he would have to avoid Norris shunting into him every lap. Is this now considered proper racing?
Divebombs are fair play as long as the wheels don’t lock up. If you can’t make the car stop on time, you are at fault. It was fair that Norris gave position back
In what book do you see that? Divebomb is a divebomb, you shouldn't drive the other car of the track and that's it, tire lockup is optional, otherwise you need to let the other driver the position back, Lando did that, Max did not
The track limits incident when norris ran off. He only locked up after max moved under braking. You cant just easily avoid that while on the brakes already. They brake in a straight line for a reason.
the ones at fault are the FIA holding back the 5sec for Landos track limit just becouse they wanted to see him fight for position only to drop it on him after. they knew the final track limit violation for many laps before the contact
Dotd was oscar. Robbed of starting in 3rd, nearly fought his way back to a win from 7th. His two passes around the outside of perez and sainz easily the best of the day.
Lando exceeding track limits played a role in all of these issues with Max because Max had pulled the second gap and was out of DRS range and then Lando exceeds track limits three times and is within one second
@@wess1436 absolutely I'm not really a fan of asking athletes questions immediately after they finish their sports. It causes issues that don't need to happen they could wait a bit/leave the contentious ones till last
think most people can agree that it was a race incident. A bit aggressive and dive bomby from norris and a few too many double moves when defending by max. Was super tight and something was bound to happen. People wanted closer racing, here you go. Stuff like this sometimes happens when they race hard. What i find particularly fucking annoying is how sky treated it like verstappen just shot norris' dog, getting particularly upset at him for not debasing himself to them. Weird little bully moment where everyone piled on him like norris didnt repeatedly divebomb. Felt gross. British bias is still real.
I fault max all the time but still tune in for him. What he does 99% of the time that is so impressive out ways the questionable moves or down right dirty moves for me to tune in for it
Lap 64 Max changes direction and takes the blame, I can agree on that. But don’t think Lando’s multi divebombs is any better. All could have been race-ending incidents for both.
@@SimonStandbridge he was 20 seconds behind his team mate bro what are you smoking? Either be objective or don't bother comment because it's embarrassing. Reminder, the dude had the fastest car and was 2 seconds behind another dude with the 3rd fastest car.
Neither, they were both hard racing. Who actually was at fault is the FIA, who took 10mins to look at clear footage of Lando going off track 30 times before they gave him his penalty
Did anyone else see Max and lando made contact, then see lando purposely drive into him after? I think lando got more damage from that, instead of the original contact. If you hadn't done that he could have finished the race and won
I think Max’s move wasnt as bad as his haters are presenting it. In a way this was an important statement from Max to Lando till the end of the season. And luckily he even benefited from this.
@@Duval-In-The-WallLando dove up the inside of max and made max go wide 3x before this. If they’d collided, it would’ve been Lando’s fault. Realistically, if Lando had just run wide instead of trying to turn in, they’d have both finished the race. And If we’re talking about mistakes, Lando made more. Max’s just had worse consequences
@@Ashley-lz9jh If they collided, but they didn’t. That move is pretty much in the Max playbook anyway Max kept weaving under braking, he looked like he was going to cause a crash, and he did
Ok, been watching f1 since 84. Karted, until I was 31. Did lower level open wheel… you guys have never raced a day in your life obviously. As a Ferrari fan, the most crazy/dangerous move was the dive bomb by Lando. That could have been an absolute disaster &&&& …your comment…Maxy went off on purpose is laughable. Saying all that, yes the last move was Maxy fault, that incident was catastrophic, yet the least of all the bad moves by both drivers. The biased is ridiculous….Be better do better guys.
According to the rules post drivers complaints about Max Verstappen, in 2022 the rules were re clarified to not need a car to be exactly beside the other, just that a "substantial part of the car" was alongside the other. Even the prior detail on the rule of axel to axel, was only at the point of the apex. Max went into Lando even before they actually hit the Apex.
Lando is doing emotional "manipulation" about the friendship, stirring up by sky sports, who are loving this. Bring the answer to Max, wgat Lando said about that. Max said they would talk about it, but not today. It's full of adrenaline.
Lando doesn't care about whatever psychological claptrap you're making up, he spoke facts, he's p¡ssed at Max for ending his race and said that it's up to him to come out and sort it out. That's exactly what should happen. Lando can't go out there and speak for Max, can he.
I don't think Norris had an opportunity to serve the penalty, since he retired right after. Does this mean he will get a grid place penalty for Silverstone?
Small incident? A fight for the lead of the grand prix that went on for several laps and ended up with both leading drivers been taken out is a "small incident"? OK...
you already forgot the start of the spanish GP?? there was dust everywhere!!!! lando very innocent, i give you more than enough room!! did max than say as crybaby i dont want to be your friends anymore? lando does exactly the same.
There are drivers and there are drivers. Senna, Schumacher, even Lewis, known to skirt the rules, and slam the door. Guys like Senna and Max are just wired that way.
honestly looking back at the fight multiple times its hard to even fault Max (completely). Twice Lando absolutely sends it forcing Max to take evasive action and even go off the track. Then Max positions his car to take the apex and Lando refuses to go into the run off. Yes Max was at fault and had to leave more track space, but Norris also had ample time and space to react. At the end of the day though Max takes 10 points while Charles/Norris both take 0.
@@daarom3472 how is it any different to what max does all the time? Actually the difference is lando managed to avoid contact unlike max. We've seen him do it with lewis seb raikkonen
As a lando fan I laughed about them coming together. This level of aggression was what I wanted to see, while the end result was rough for him, he’s shown max he’s here to race.
Lando saying that he raced fair and clean the whole race is just funny. He divebombed Max numerous times when Max needed to avoid a collision. Yet no one is talking about that.😂 Now everyone is bashing Max. 😂
@@MrTobytat2 By pushing the other driver off track with all the divebombs? If Max would do that you would be all going crazy for penalties. 😂 Max literally had to move out of the way two times because Lando was going straight off track while divebombing. 😂
@@0okyo Max wasn't pushed off. He went off to keep his momentum. You don't watch much racing, do you? And Lando went off track once. You don't have any leg to stand on so you lie.
@@MrTobytat2 I see that you didn’t even watched the race 😂 It’s okay to have zero clue and comment without watching , but you will only seem to be stupid this way. 😂 He went off the track because Lando braked so late that if Max continues to turn in they will crash 100% . But since you didn’t watch the race you must missed these parts😂
@@0okyo I don't care what you tell yourself nor does anyone else. If you make the corner and are ahead, it's your corner. What Max does to deal with that fact is up to Max. And apparently he likes going off the track in order to keep his position.
I saw some really aggressive attempts to overtake and some equally aggressive defending, I found it refreshing tbh... Racing!! The real issue is the FIA sitting on that 5 second penalty for such an absurdly long time, which means drivers are having key information witheld that affects their decision-making, it's just disgraceful.
I don't think he would like to INHERIT his first GP win, especially when it takes to his teammate be eliminated in front of him.. Oscar with his tire attitude should be qualifying in front of Lando, he should have better first laps to show his raw speed. Now it's just about him toasting his tires with no relevant reason.
@@Wolfywolf7 the gravel trap is not a catch all and its not a rule enforced.. if ypu are touching the gravel you are ridiculously wide and cheating at that point. The rule is to keep atleast 1 wheel within the white lines. And he unfortunately crossed the line completely. If you still want to argue with the clearly laid put rule what can i say 🤷♂️
If we are talking about track limits. Lando was already presented the black and white. So no matter what he would get a penalty next time he left the track regardless of fighting max. Say lando does not get the penalty what precedent does that set. Use your 4 warnings to gain an advantage to the person in front, go off in a battle and get away with it. Just does not make sense
@@Mercedes0nTop excuse for expecting an F1 journalist to know F1 rules. It’s one thing to not know but it’s another thing not bothering to look it up when discussing the topic. It shows lack of respect to their audience. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re not journalists/experts anymore, just two guys yapping about a race.
@@thunderkilla1807 they aren't experts or journalists, just two guys having fun talking about the race and answer some questions from fans. If the fans wanted to know the rule that bad, they could just look it up themselves
@@thunderkilla1807 they know a lot of stuff, just cause they don't know one thing you getting pressed. If you're getting this mad then look it up yourself. A lot of the time when you look something up it doesn't give you the exact respones to what you need, and that was kind of a specific question so they probably wouldn't get one with a simple question to Google.
I’d have to say they are both at fault. However as a Max fan talking ….he did push it a little far, however I like seeing those elbows out ! I also saw some aggressive moves from Lando !!! Was an awesome show between the both of them !!
drive through penally like the long lap penalty in MotoGP. Granted a drive through you lose far more time. but for the blatant offencese in F1 that result in another driver DNF i think drive through penalties are warranted.
Yeah, have position drops because a driver you don't like received a penalty lol. It has been this way for as long as F1 has existed, and I'm damn sure you didn't complain about it before today.
@@tex4523 offences aren't looked at with the post offence consequence. They're looked at with the actual move regardless of what happened. Otherwise Hamilton would've gotten a race ban for Silverstone 2021.
@@indcredible7839 I have thought of it many times, especially during the Mercedes era when everyone was so spread out anyway that when accidents do happen, the penalties meant nothing
"Let Lando push him off"? Are you kidding me? Norris his first launch was from 35 meters behind and he didn't even come close to making the corner himself. That nearly took both of them out. The second time he launched again from 35 meters behind. A little bit more controlled but he again just overshoots the corner and parks it at the edge of the track, which leaves Verstappen no other option besides leaving the track. That's not proper racing. It's also what got Hulkenberg a penalty in the sprint race. Norris should have been shown a flag after that one for unsportsmanlike driving. There is no way to properly race if Norris just divebombs every lap from that distance. Verstappen can never turn into the corner because he always needs to avoid a McLaren crashing into him. And for those claiming that Verstappen did the same thing in the past. No he did not. Austria 2019 Verstappen was only sending it on the inside when his front wing was almost level with Leclerc's rear tires. Norris was sending it when he was over 3 tenths back from Verstappen. This was some of the most ridiculous divebombs I have ever seen in that corner.
Yeah, I think people need to rewatch it and not make up or mix up different situations. Bit disappointed in the two. the 4th track limit was the ridiculous divebomb to the inside. there is not one simulator scenario that allows Lando to make that corner. Also, Max was quite mature and reflective and not emotional at all in the pen. Like someone said, he said what he had to said for the media without giving them what they were lurking for (will you still be friends...)
Nah, Lando's first attack Max cut in front of him at the last minute and he backed out. Max set the precedent there that he wasn't gonna play fair so neither did Lando with his next attacks. From there on it was inevitable they'd crash as neither was racing respectfully
@@Gwox So Norris decided to divebomb every time from 35 meters back because he saw verstappen turning in slightly early to a corner., Really mature racing then isn't it?
@@the1gladiator2 first of all, Max wasn't turning in, it was very clearly a move to block and was way too early for a turn-in point. Secondly, I never said it was mature. Personally I think it's a real shame, but with how poor the stewarding is in F1 the best way to race is with 0 respect and hope everyone moves out your way. Senna did it, Schumacher did it, Hamilton did it, and now Max is doing it, and if anyone wants to challenge him, that's what they're gonna have to do too
Kinda weird right, this is what everyone wants and then all the pundits cry about it… Probably the best wheel to wheel battle we’ve seen all season 🤷🏽♂️
As a fan of both Max and Lando, I was hoping they’d keep it clean (I guess I don’t want those two in particular to hate each other). Max was at fault for the incident, but I don’t think it’s as egregious as everyone’s tweets and comments. The moving under the breaking is an issue, but they are both competitors and the goal is to win. They, meaning Max and Lando, will do anything it takes to win. Deep divebombs, squeezing, moving under breaking, aggressive defending, and pushing the rules to the limit are why these guys are such elite and great competitors. I hate it for both of them as a fan, but I understand it.
Hey not trying to fight or take sides. But i see alot of comments mentioning Max moving underbraking. But if u look at the telemetry/onboards, u can see Max moves n then brakes. U can say he moved in the braking zone but he never moved while actually braking. I m a sim racer n we pull this move all the time n its usually upto the guy behind to not ram the guy infront. I just wanna see what others r seeing.
@@nafizjubaer1717 I completely get that and the little bit of sim racing I do, I’ll squeeze before I break too. I think it’s a tough one because I hadn’t seen the telemetry data yet. Either way it’s a move I know and love Max for but as a competitor myself, I’d be hard-pressed not to say that it’s a competitors job to push the limits. Lando has plenty of fault in this too. I’d even say it’s just a racing incident and it just sucks it’s between arguably my favorite 2 on the grid. But thanks for your input!
@@nafizjubaer1717I have to respectfully disagree. Might not have been every time but most egregious was lap 55 (and I guess the lap they made contact?). They brake around the 100 meter board and Max starts pulling right around the 60 meters. A/V might not be perfectly synced but you can hear the car decelerating before the 100 meter board. No chance he’s not already on the brakes at this point.
@@JustinArthQBalso a sim racer (& a Lando and max fan too) and have to say that Lando too holds some blame. The kerbing in the outside of that corner is easily driveable and imo, Lando could have seen the squeeze and taken a wider line to undercut max. Sure this is what max was wanting him to do, but with DRS - I think Lando gets him in the straight regardless
It was nobody's fault, this was a racing incident, between two highly skilled drivers. Nobody did what the other wouldnt do in the reversed position. I always laugh at these so called F1 fans who start to whine when we finally see some high end driving and competing for a win. Enjoy it, saviour it. This is what we want.
In defence of Max. He had to break twice because of Norris dive bombs to avoid a collision. That's a fact you should take into account and is on account of Norris. It does not matter whether or not it's a totle battle. That also counts for Norris. Everybody can do everything to Max, but for Max, different rules are applied. That's measuring with different standards.
First one was a mistake, he didn’t make the corner However on the second one he reached the apex first and got past. Lately in F1 we’re used to drivers closing the door on exit, idk how Max was able to run off track and keep that position
Moving like that in the braking zone is against the rules, simple as. Let's not forget Max and his driving style that earned him his rep in F1. He has a track record.
@@michaelcobbinUnpopular opinion - Dan’s had better race pace most of the season. Yuki is quicker over 1 lap & it’s harder to overtake so Yuki has the better results.
@@warrenm6882 You are probably right. Daniel’s race pace experience is starting to show. If Daniel continues with this form, people will have to shut up on the topic that Daniel doesn’t deserve to be F1. It was clear that Haas and Daniel went with a different tyre strategy, and it paid off.
If you think the Max and Lando contact was Maxs fault you need to go to the hospital and get your brain checked. And also there have been dirtier drivers then Max, for example Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Alonso (And legit every driver in history that have dominated) that get praised for being dirty drivers while Max gets fucking hated by driving the same way as the drivers i named of. Like Lando is crying over racing.
Max is at fault, I'm not disputing that, BUT, I think it's been blow out of proportion with how big it is "NORRIS & VERSTAPPEN FRIENDSHIP OVER", "NORRIS AND VERSTAPPEN HIT THEIR BREAKING POINT". Watch the replay from the overhead shot, not the TV shot, but there's one that's from the helicopter I think. Max isn't moving under braking, he's chosen his line, which is to slowly squeeze Norris so he gets no room to move, and there's the slightest bit of wheel to wheel contact, which honestly, I'm pissed at Pirelli because under that force, if it's just wheel to wheel contact, no floor cutting the tyre, that's pretty bad that the tyres can fall apart like that. If it had been 2016 Austria, Rosberg vs Hamilton kind of contact, then maybe, but there isn't anything overly wrong with the incident.
Nvm max being naughty this race. Norris is showing this race why he is not world champion material. He lacks the wheel to wheel skill, he lacks clever planning and doesnt set up his moves very well. Max was at fault, but as max said as well, "this is not how you want to race".
When the race review comes before the funny tweets you know there is some spicy drama.
George > Washmilton
@@AlexSteenOlsen what on earth inspired you to comment this you 3 year old george glazer
And over an hour. Lol
Understandably no one wants to open twitter can of worms today
@@AlexSteenOlsenI don't care. George is still a wanker
Guys let's not argue about what happened with Lando and Max, Hulk got P6!
in front of a red bull at that!
@@FirdausF3 true!
And K-Mag P8 as well. Haas had a very good day.
This is why Maldonado is the greatest driver of all time.
@@xtheamazingax don't forget Ricciardo P9 as well
Aside from the obvious drama -
Max -> Had a bad pitstop + went wide on the outlap + spent time fighting with Lando + collided with Lando + Limped back to pits + Had an extra pitstop = still finished 17 seconds ahead of Perez, who finished behind a Haas. What on earth is going on with Perez???
Time to extend his contract thru 2030 🇲🇽
He is and has always been mid. People forget that the Pink Mercedes was winning the WDC the year before and even Stroll managed to podium in it. When the 2022 regs hit, he seemed closer to Max because neither driver were comfortable in the car. But once they did, Max hit the floor running and Perez got exposed.
He has posted a pic. He had a gaping hole in the car
Verstappen doesn't want to loose... Had a dramatic pitstop, probably was very angry about it, tried hard to drive away, made a braking error, got more angry, didn't want to give up for the orange army, and made an error.. thats it.
Perez isn’t great at the moment. But did you see the giant hole in his car from lap 1
Ted Kravitz got a laugh out of me when they were talking about the Alpines. "What can Bruno Famin do? Fire Ocon again?" 😂
Fair play to Ted for that one, but he is still a tit.
@@someoneunseen5168 No argument here.
They can pull an RB and swap him to 3rd seat and put Jack in the car for the rest of the season. Might as well to get him some running time
😂😂😂
split it in half. half mick, half jack…and then hire carlos. 😊
Last week after putting Max three feet onto the grass: "Plenty of space" - Lando Norris
Russell: "That was a really cool fight"
Piastri: "Well, you did just win a race because of it"
Man Oscar's humour is very Kimi-esque
Edit: Ffs I can't word. "Really" instead of "never"
And George and Carlos both laughed. 😂
@@TheMissiIe There's an edit function, this isn't 2008
Very Australian humor lol
that’s why I call him Australian Kimi raikkonenen
Charles Leclerc having a normal race challenge, difficulty : impossible
Leclerc is washed
@@Pidea14mf this is literally the first race where he was affected massively by a mistake he made since Zandvoort 2023
@@Pidea14hater clown
@@noname-ey3pk he got outdone today by checo??? Hahaha
@@Pidea14watch the race first before commenting
The one who set all this off was Redbulls rear left wheel-gun guy
Poor guy lol... To be fair, Red Bull hardly fumbles a pit stop. It's unfortunate that it happened.
in australia his left rear brake also cooked. coincidence?
7s gap down to 1.7s yikes!
It was the first (!) pitstop from Max that was over 3 sec 👀
They gain him more than they lose
What a legend he is. Netflix cut him a check instantly
23:14 That last track limit from Lando was not him being pushed off by Max though. That was the one where he dive bombed on the inside at turn 3, completely missed his braking point, locked up and ran wide all on his own and where Max, who was already turning in had to correct mid movement to avoid a collision. That one was on Lando and not a very smart thing to do when you have just received a black and white flag telling you that was your final track limit warning.
So yes it may be annoying but I think this system is better than having a subjective opinion system where the stewards have to judge each and every instance to see if someone really gained an advantage, because like you said earlier in the podcast that would open up an even bigger can of worms of teams protesting and us not getting a final result until hours after the finish.
agree. What race did these two watch? The track limit was because Lando Dive bombed and slide off the track. its not about gaining time, the dive bomb equally slowed Max down because he had to avert the move.
Crazy how Oscar could have won this race if he didn’t have the track limits in Q3 or got stuck behind Perez for the first few laps
But he had
He wasn't even over the line. Robbed.
he was yeeted in the first corner and then run off the track into the gravel by sergio. Even after starting P7 Oscar couldve won it.
...If my grandma had wheels, she'd have been a bike 😜😂
And now everyone knows why Oscar and McLaren were so upset about it!
Race review before funniest tweets? What multiverse am i living in?
Had to be done. Race was too crazy at the end lol.
Tommy really cooked with the Red Bull biggest flop 🤣🤣🤣👌👌
My thought precicely
2 points for that one as well
Ow shit he did
British media be like...
Senna: always on the edge of the rules - legend.
Schumacher: always on the edge of the rules - legend.
Verstappen: always on the edge of the rules - the actual devil.
You're only a legend once you finish.
@@VectusCraft true but I am growing tired of the Verstappen bashing by British media. Let them race and sort it out on the track.
You do realise the British press vilified Schumacher for what he did to Hill?
British press did not call Schumacher a legend till much much later, at the time he was vilified. As for Max he’s a genius but he can’t be allowed to keep getting away with moving under breaking like that, it’s bloody dangerous. The squeezing that caused the accident was the least bad of the incidents, I agree that happens, though needs to be reviewed carefully.
@@themightyant. Yep true. Does that make it acceptable to continue doing that? I would just like both sides to be given a fair argument. I haven't seen one journo or youtuber ask the question of what Lando was doing on the outside at that corner. He wasn't alongside so was he lunging around the outside? Seems very risky. Not defending Max but arguing both sides would be far more interesting than just bashing Max.
I find the Max slander a bit too much especially because Lando had quite a lot of questionable moves too
Dont you know we believe in bandwagons thats what generates views fk logic😂
are you referring to this video, or the general (mainly, but not exclusively brit) media? because i think M and T has pretty much been the only realistic punters out here.
The butterfly effect of that slow Red Bull pitstop is crazy lol. Not only could it have started a chain of events that affect the Driver's Championship, but also may have played a role in ending the seemingly most genuine friendship on the grid.
most genuine? gasly and yuki exist
If this ends their friendship then it wasn’t one to begin with.
If we're talking butterfly effects, I want to add that Horner's controversy which created tension in the team and made Adrian Newey leave, probably slowed Red Bull's development and allowed McLaren to catch up
This is what makes the sport so fun. Every little thing matters.
Exactly I doubt their friendship will end after this @@naasam6339
7:15 lando had a penalty for track limits he may not have won. Also i think stewards not announcing his penalty right away was dirty by the fia
Yeah lol had they announced earlier max probably wouldve been less aggressive and avoided the crash.
I think this was unavoidable because both teams knew the penalty was coming. Commentors where already saying only way Norris wins if he creates a gap of 5 sec after overtake, so it was just hunger of max and ambition of Norris
Lando was faster than Max, if he got by, he's making the 5 seconds up with the time that they had.
Also, it makes no difference when they announce it Lando is not going to yield just because he gets a penalty, if anything he'll apply more pressure, because the cost is even greater.
I don't think it's any difference from how the FIA normally are, they're always about show, after all, they let Max move under braking and gain an advantage when Lando dive bombed inside of him for the lead. They said nothing then, why is it an issue if they're quite about a penalty for a bit.. if anything that's the least of their faults.
Nah, Max was always going to go for the on track win. But seriously I don't see the issue with the defending. Alonso and other legends defend like that all the time. He wasn't swerving wildly or anything. The accident was his fault, though. With that being said, Lando could've also avoided it using the curbing, not that legally he has to. I'm just saying everyone here knew what they were doing.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks- Lando had fresher tires, and constantly had DRS of course...which Max would have had if Lando had passed him. At some moment, the fresher tire advantage levels out. So I'm not so sure Lando would have been able to make up 5 seconds. The RB was clearly faster in the first part of the race.
Max having a crash, drive half a lap with a puncture and have an extra stop and Perez still finishes behind him. . .
Perez had a hole in his sidepod that you could stick your head in. And these guys record a podcast without even knowing it FFS...
@@pacman1ptbf I found out loke 30 mns ago when I saw post race interviews, and we didn't hear a radio from checo abt the damage
THANK YOU! I thought I was crazy or dreaming that Checo had side pod damage!
Hamilton also had a hole in his side pod. He wasn't a minute behind his teammate 😂 it's never checos fault lol
@@obobobobal I thought it was floor damage🤷🏼♀️. But whatever it was they mentioned that. They did not mention Checo’s significant damage
In the review of the track limits violation it was confirmed that Norris violated 4 track limits AFTER his black and white flag and it was still all before the Lando and max collision, so that is definitely influencing the race by giving the penalty 5 laps later!
Who violates track limits that many times? Someone who is driving recklessly and desperately. Lando has a ton of maturing to do if he wants to win races. A more mature driver would have bided his time, waiting for the RIGHT moment. But Norris dive bombed again and again and again, taking foolish chances. If anything, Max probably saved him from a shunt because he just kept getting more frustrated with each corner. Norris was also so desperate to get past Max that he kept racing when he had a puncture. Max got out of the way, slowed down and headed for the pits. Norris kept gunning it until his tire shredded and his car was coming apart. Had Norris kept his cool, he would have slowed down, went into the pits and continued in with his race. He could have served his 5 second penalty too.
You can say the same about Lando tho. The divebombs where almost kyvat like . A few of those he didn’t make aswell
A little bit desperate I would say . He would have easily get by max if he waited just a little bit .
Max doind the same thing that Sainz did last year in monza. But Max is a bad guy and Sainz was at a good racer.
Max is carrying the baggage of his past behaviour which was appalling.
Sainz doesn't have a history of this sort of behaviour, say what you want about sainz's aggression but until this season leclerc and sainz have never made contact despite hard racing.
Sainz knows where the line is.
Max is a once in a generation talent no doubt about it, arguably the best driver on the grid he just needs to stop being a sore loser.
Sainz was lucky that wasn’t a crash
The british bias by the commentary team was pathetic by Skyf1, as always
By that failed driver palmer
@@asian_sammy2022 Dog shit palmer and professional yapper Will
Precedent for leaving the track and keeping the position "becaused he pushed me off" was set in Abu Dhabi 2021, lap 1, by Lewis. Funnily enough, Max was the victim there.
No one seem to remember that funny enough.
@@uriuruiru because British drivers rarely can be at fault. They really love to pile it on Verstappen if they can. Buxton and Palmer were clowns in their post race show. I really hope Max sticks it these biased c*unts at the beloved home race.
The part everyone forgets, especially Sky Sports!
Victim is an interesting word to use.
Hahahahahahaha shows you know nothing then
Lando did not got the 4th track limit warning because he was pushed off by Verstapen, he outbraked himself and went off track or did Matt and Tommy watche some other race?
No they're doing the thing they said they weren't going to do and prematurely make statements or get baited by SkyF1 articles, like not mentioning that Max said he would have to rewatch before he makes any definitive statements, and even later, when Max admitted it was a clumsy incident.
You two should take Peter Windsor's analysis in consideration about the incident
Tom the pit stop was over 6 seconds what where you watching to think that didn’t play a role ?
Bizarre really! Max had a 7.3 second lead if I remember right.
Is the whole British thing. They see what they wanna see to defend a British driver.
Hard racing and hard defending, I would rather watch a battle like this than nobody even trying to pass, you win some, you lose some.
Too bad the commentators on F1tv has the worst british bias ever. Hard fighting, Max overdid it, so did Lando, but if you just listen to f1tv pundits you would think max jumped out of the car and shot a rocket launcher at Lando
I’m a Max fan here. The guy was borderline dirty and we need to accept it. Made 2 borderline illegal moves in the braking zone and squeezed Lando on his 3rd try. Any other position, driver would’ve gotten a penalty but because it’s a fight for 1st. Grey areas appear in the rule book magically.
@@aaronnatorI totally agree that max was definitely right on the line (and probably over it). However so was lando, they were both racing extremely agressivly and bound to crash eventually.
@@HansoenIt was really passing me off. Crafty saying “lando learned what it’s like to race max vertappen” or something along those lines. All while ignoring Landos dive bombs that pushed max off. They were both driving extremely aggressively, it wasn’t just max.
Divebombs that push someone off on exit are allowed and have been Max's go to move his whole career. Just get to apex first and it's allowed. Moving under braking is not. Norris went off once so correctly gave the position back. Max went off deliberately to keep the position.
As a Max fan, good for Lando in not just letting Max go. Good for him to taking the fight to Max. I like that the FIA let them race. Races are so boring when they look like cars racing each other are on rails. Without the car damage I hope we see this leveling of battling for the rest of the season. I wish every driver raced as hard as both these two did.
you hope every driver cheated in defence?
The RACE is on!!!!
@@gothicusmaximus5697squeezing drivers is a common occurrence, literally happens all the time. You just don't hear about it unless it leads to a collision. Lando last week, leclarc 2023 and so many more.
Hard racing is fine....as long as it's fair. Moving under braking is dangerous and track limits violations aren't. For the stewards to investigate track limits but not investigate moving in the braking zone is simply perverse. Lando left the track and gave the position back. Max left the track and gained an advantage and didn't return the position.
@@gothicusmaximus5697 you again. 🤣
in spain, when we talk about max we call him "pole o muro" which means "you either get pole or go to the wall" and i think thats beautiful
Absolutely spot on 💯 can only pass him SAFELY on the straights
@@aaronnatornot even that. Saudi 2021 💀
@@ovt8454 Hamilton could have passed him safely in that occasion, since Verstappen had to give up the position. They decided to play a form of DRS chicken instead, very badly I might add.
@ruudrijsdijk4121 Well, FiA haven't given instructions to Mercedes that Max will give the position back but the DRS mindgames were dangerous as hell
@@ovt8454 oh snap forgot about that you’re right 😂
Why are you debating about Norris’s track limits penalty. His penalty was for diving up the inside at turn 3, locking up and not being able to make the corner. Max didn’t push him wide or force him off. He outbraked himself and went off the track so it’s obviously a track limits violation not a racing incident. Just because he’s going for an overtake doesn’t mean it should be treated any differently.
crazy to me that you talk about that fight over all those laps and only critizice only verstappen
You guys didn't really talk about Lando locking up when sending it into turn 3. Two laps before Max went off track to keep position Lando out braked himself and sent both of them off the track. If Max stays on track there's every likelihood Lando causes the crash becasue he locks up again. He used the same move in the sprint race as well... Lando need to make the move cleanly with room for Max on the outside and I don't think he got that done.
Don't get me wrong! Love the show and loved the racing was great to watch!
Gave the position back
Yeah this puzzled me too. Especially as tommy SAYS he is a big max fan and the inchident had nothing to do with matts leclerc, i thought they would be objective about the case. Yet the questionable moves of lando seem to be skipped by everyone lol. Im a max AND lando fan though, love them to bits, but ive seen some on/over the limit stuff from them both this weekend, which is fine and cheeky cuz both did it, but it just happened to not end well for them both THIS TIME, so kind of an extra disappointing race for me. Yet the one sided blaming of P1, the lando tracklimitpenalty taking years vs fairly fast max penalty given by steward johnny Herbert (who allegedly got fired from sky for saying shit like max robbed a title)(who could also see on max his boardcam that the road bends there and didnt steer), Hill Kravitz Brundle and Buxton slightly stirring up the hate in the media again, implying a monster has reawakened, it saddens me deeply. They completely disregard the amount of influence they actually have on the amount of people who find it hard to form an own opinion about racing rules as they are confusing as fk. So if public "experts" blame one side and forget to mention the other, many fans will blindly trust everything such public figures say, only causing unnecessary resentment and hate on social media, especially as sky also denies brits the option of choosing f1tv. The last thing we need is more resentment in our lovely sport. Sometimes a shit race or incidents just happen, even when 2 greats are involved, its just how it is. Its not like nico and lewis crashed every race again after spain 2016 either. Hopefully silverstone will provide some proper beautiful racing again like the friggin fiery lions max and lando have showed before! Theyll fight it out on track instead, so the media can focus more on an OBJECTIVE and complete analysis afterwards about EVERYTHING that happened, not just a part of it because the other part happens to have their british nationality. If you are looking for a proper analysis i can recommend Peter Windsors take by the way he checked board cameras and both their actions, was a pleasant surprise.
There's a video comparing the collision with Lando with a video from a previous Austrian GP where Max comes up on the outside with Sainz moving over to the left at the same point and leaving a very similar amount of room. In that case Max simply moved left a bit more on the kerb himself to avoid a collision and then goes for the switch back coming out of the corner. After seeing that I'm more inclined towards it being a racing incident as there was room for Lando to move left as well to avoid the collision.
Anyway, whatever it was it's sad it ended the way it did because it was a great battle.
absolutely, I still can't understand what lando was going for there on the outside.way too impatient and doesnt prepare his overtakes smart enough. He never really tried something in T4.
It's about obligation. Lando being able to take more kerb, doesn't change the fact that Max didn't leave a cars width. You are not obliged to cover up another driver's rule breaking by moving out onto the kerb. It's only a racing incident so long as both drivers stay within the rules. If one of them breaks the rules, they are liable for any collision that comes of it.
@@Dagr8soldjer My point is that so many drivers in every race over the years have done exactly what Max did in that corner and sometimes squeezing the driver on the outside even more and it never got punished for any of them. Where was all this outrage and drama-hyping in all those other instances?
@@Dagr8soldjer there was like 93% of a car width, excl. the kerb. There was a video floating around from a previous year. but with Max behind and on the outside. He took way more Kerb and was able to cut back and in the end overtake cleanly. Lando did not try everything to prevent it either
All of this comes down to “both of them made questionable moves. Max dodged. Lando wasn’t talented enough to avoid the crash” but because Max’s mistake had the consequences, everyone ignores Lando doing the same thing 3x before 😂
The track limit violation from Norris that gave him the pen did not come from Verstappen pushing him wide what are you yapping about? It came from Norris divebombing and going way too deep. Then it took like 10 laps for the pen to be given.
Brits reviewing a racing incident involving a brit .... always the same conclusion ... Its the olther guy!
Yeah the Seward's and the FIA agree too. Theres also video and data of max moving under braking. But yeah it's all a conspiracy fella....
@@KLC6432 It's not an issue of "conspiracy" - it's the ridiculous bias and tiresome whinging from the British fans, youtubers and Press in particular whenever one of their drivers has an "incident". Russell in Australia is a classic case in point.
@@hershalkrostofsky825 and the FIA, the stewards, the pundits and the team principles that all state max was wrong. Accept it.
@@KLC6432 the crash was fault of max but Norris tried 3 times before the crash and didnt get pass cuz of he was too far behind, why didnt norris learn from that and wait untill he get closer to max (he was faster then max) and pass max cleanly. You could this coming that something will go wrong before the crash.
@@LocoLegends that's right blame the guy that didn't move under braking several times...
The amount of hate people are ready to lob on Max for the same racing moves that they praise him for when he wins. Wild.
Tommy hates Max
@@Weezy10580ya sure?
@@mz5790 yeah
I hate the stewards waited until the crash to give Norris 5 seconds
They also waited until seeing the gaps before giving Max an in-consequential penalty.
They 100% decided on the penalty eons ago but chose not to push it to let them race...they actually caused this
I don't see how it matters. Penalty was after the pit stop. Wouldn't have been served before the race ended.
If anything, Norris would have been fighting to build a 5 sec gap if he could.
@@Shuuboxthey also caused it by letting max move under breaking unpunished
People really forgetting Norris squeezing max on the grass last race, both of them are not clean
That was unbelievable, i cant believe nobodys talking about that, literally pushed him properly on the grass
Because they’re not remotely comparable. Tight squeezing down to T1 and moving under braking, overtaking off track, causing a collision, and THEN squeezing off track are not comparable to each other.
It’s consequence based judgement in fanbase. It’s clear as day
@@tarettime9392I don’t think the point is that they’re comparable. The media is making it out like Lando is a clean faultless driver. He’s not. Leading up to the incident, Lando was reckless. The incident itself, Max was at fault.
@@thecompanioncube4211 You say that like it's a bad thing...I am so sick of this F1 fan mantra that consequences don't matter. Consequences are, by self-definition, _consequential._ This desire to ignore consequences but also somehow came up with procedural penalties that are perfect and align with what is "right" for any given situation is maddening. Let consequences matter, because they do. To say otherwise is just to lie to ourselves and I'm tired of it!
Max and Lando the friendship is officially over 😂😂
Here comes max and lando rivals era 😂
None of them are really friends tbh , see charles and carlos , slag each other over an overtake
@@Stephanie-s2024 ye I hope they do not Collide in Silverstone 🤣🤣😂
😂yup, this was a bit more than an inchident....
They are still friends lol
Honest question, why on earth are you recording this podcast without even checking what happened in the race? Perez drove the ENTIRE race with a massive hole in his sidepod. You could stick a person's head inside it with room to spare... Plus, you've both made completely up contradicting points when you were talking about penalties.
And that comment about Gasly and Albon Vs Perez... Do you guys seriously need reminding that Gasly was ACTUALLY getting lapped by Max regularly? Perez with tons of damage didn't get lapped, Gasly did in a perfectly fine car. Come on this is ridiculous.
Honestly guys, record this thing 15 minutes later and just take the time to look up what the hell happened.... Its a worthless discussion if you record this sruff right after the finish line. I'm sorry, but for an engaged fan with some knowledge about the sport this uninformed, rushed, and not thought through rant holds zero value.
I noticed this too for a bunch of different things this podcast. They appeared to have missed almost all of the Haas vs. Ricciardo vs. Alpine battle in the second half of the race and didn't notice until looking at the final results that Ricciardo finished in the top 10. Then when they did notice they chalked it up to him gaining places because of the Max/Lando crash (???) when the reality was that Dan was in the top 10 for a big chunk of the race, did an Albon-like defense his entire last stint on old hard tires against faster Alpine cars on fresher, softer tires, was in 10th on merit before the crash moved him up to 9th, and then saved his tires so much that he was able to battle with Magnussen for 8th for the last few laps. With how awful the VCARB has been recently and where Tsunoda ended up (14th, 20+ seconds down on Danny.), it would have been nice to see them give Ricciardo at least a bit of credit given that they heaped well-deserved praise on Haas, who did the same thing Ricciardo did but with a faster car that isn't a frankenstein mess of different spec parts.
I understand the benefit of getting a podcast/video up quickly when something like the Lando/Max crash happens, but given how many people watch these videos and listen to the podcast, taking a bit of time to get the facts straight and learning the necessary context for the events of the race would be the right thing to do. It takes more work but makes it easier for fans to understand what happened and stops people from being misinformed.
Are people blind? The second attempt of Noris, he launched into the inside and ended himself outside the track.
no, that was an amazing overtake but the constellation of the sun, the moon and Max's intention to make the corner before forest eventually made Driver-of-the-day forget to brake and turn in. What an atrocious behaviour. Max should be made to give the win for next week's race to all British drivers. Yes ALL, because it's nice, and 2nd place to Charles because he had so much bad luck and 3rd to Hulkenberg because he also deserve a podium and they should make the Alpine drivers sing Kumba Ya at a campfire and everybody should just get along well. Also, LEAVE LANDO ALONE
Lando fan here. I enjoyed the shit out of that. Lando was out, fine, it's done, but the season just got more interesting.
It's not fine though. It keeps happening to anyone who gets close to Max. Max moved under breaking, it's dangerous.
That was fast.
We couldn't wait to do the podcast haha
Faster than the end of Ver-Lando friendship the minute Lando’s car became competitive
Ended the twitch stream early so they could record raw reactions
@@mattp1tommyleclerc is washed??
@@Pidea14 I wouldn’t say washed. But Matt unironically saying Charles driver of the day? Not having that.
Charles messed up in quali which was his own fault, started out of position, got squeezed at the start, had a poor race because out of position. If that was any other top driver the two of them would be all over that, giving the driver a 4 out of 10 because poor quali put them there. I bet Matt gives Charles an undeserved 8/10.
The one day I wake up late for a race fml
ouchh
Same bro, where I live race began at 6am and I accidentally setup my alarm for every day of the week except for sunday :c
Woke up just to see Lando crash into Max Xd
Worse still, think of the people that turned it off halfway through 😂
savageeee id be fuming
Watch a replay?
the answer to the question of who is guilty is already known here with all those british fanboys here. Question for the British, do you have self-reflection because I have the feeling that it is lacking and that may be the reason why you always blame someone else?
Hey Matt please go revise what your thoughts were for the Charlie defence on Lewis at the end of the Monza race a few years back. Funny how things work out when it’s your fav driver or fellow countrymen.
Excellent
Bad memory here. What year was this?
No Matt is right. Max was at fault.
Unpopular opinion. While Max is at fault for the incident, Lando easily could had been named at fault if Max hadn’t avoided contact on the earlier dive bomb attempts.
It is racing.
It's not controversial it's r****ded
That's racing. Max was too aggressive with his defence and Lando was too aggressive with the attack but ultimately Max caused the crash and that's the end of it.
Max didn’t avoid contact on the dive bombs. Those were quality attempts. On the other hand they didn’t work because max was moving under braking and overtook off track to keep position. The only way a collision would’ve happened sooner is if max drove even more poorly
I agree, if the other driver has to take avoiding action, a penalty should be given. Since when did forcing drivers of the track become "hard racing" perez should have got a penalty on lap 1 aswell
Forgetting that Lando had a 5 second penalty and just saying Lando would have won the race. . .
Also saying that Mclaren had the best car when Max was driving away and was 8 seconds ahead at one point in the race.
Brits being Brits.
Lando would have gained 5 seconds on Max
@Bobby09LFC max would have been in drs and lando already locked up his new tyres on his 2nd attempt at passing in turn 3. And there was like 8 laps remaining at that point.
@@15scholaMax locked up his old tires at first lap after pit stop..
McLaren definitely looks to be the fastest when the fuel loads get lighter.
Max's fault... sure, was a huge mistake? fk no... Alonso's move on Zhou was far worse...Max's move was just unfortunate.
before that Lando also went in recklessly on the inside in the hairpin and Max had to avoid (driving wide) and extra heavy break to avoid Lando...
overall... good racing m8... extreme, but that's exactly how it should be.
After years of waiting the Max haters finally have something to moan about again. It was hard racing. Great to see. We all love this. It’s called RACING ok !!! Lando crying after the race is spoiled prat behavior. Just get on with it and keep having these hard fights. It’s what everybody in the world wants to see. 🔥🔥🔥
Oh and that Silverstone dude who was recently complaining about Max being responsible for declining ticket sales….. he should thank Max on his bare knees after today’s race. 💩
Norris never got an amazing run. He was sending it from 3 and a half tenths behind at the braking zone. Credits for braking that late and not ending up in the barriers, but there is no way for Verstappen to take that corner normally as he would have to avoid Norris shunting into him every lap. Is this now considered proper racing?
Divebombs are fair play as long as the wheels don’t lock up. If you can’t make the car stop on time, you are at fault. It was fair that Norris gave position back
In what book do you see that? Divebomb is a divebomb, you shouldn't drive the other car of the track and that's it, tire lockup is optional, otherwise you need to let the other driver the position back, Lando did that, Max did not
Lando dive bombed and Max made a late move/nudge. That obviously caused Lando to lock up.
@@EireannachNathairin max’s book lol
You can lock up and still hit the apex and make the corner and lando did that. Locking up has nothing to do with it
The track limits incident when norris ran off. He only locked up after max moved under braking. You cant just easily avoid that while on the brakes already. They brake in a straight line for a reason.
the ones at fault are the FIA holding back the 5sec for Landos track limit just becouse they wanted to see him fight for position only to drop it on him after. they knew the final track limit violation for many laps before the contact
Yes if they gave the penalty within 2 laps then the last move was not necessary
How come Lando can not do an overtake in one decisive move? His car was so much faster.
@@alvori1 Because Max is moving under breaking into his line.
Or if they made Max give the position to Lando after Max kept it off the track
@@tomlischke592 It's called "hard racing", look it up
How Lando is DOTD?
Because he's English.
Because teenage fangirls vote for him in huge numbers
People are dumb. Hulk should have been DOTD by a long shot
@@FermentosI was about to vote for Hulkenberg but the vote closed sadly.
Dotd was oscar. Robbed of starting in 3rd, nearly fought his way back to a win from 7th. His two passes around the outside of perez and sainz easily the best of the day.
Lando exceeding track limits played a role in all of these issues with Max because Max had pulled the second gap and was out of DRS range and then Lando exceeds track limits three times and is within one second
Yep, a relevant point.
Lando was pretty lucky too tbh. When he was just outside the second of max, he got drs from a back marker twice which brought him within a second
@@wess1436 I think Lando saying he did nothing wrong is what got me the most. Both of them were pushing the line.
@@jstambo478 Definitely. The last thing I've heard Max say is that he needed to review the footage. That is a much more professional response
@@wess1436 absolutely I'm not really a fan of asking athletes questions immediately after they finish their sports. It causes issues that don't need to happen they could wait a bit/leave the contentious ones till last
think most people can agree that it was a race incident. A bit aggressive and dive bomby from norris and a few too many double moves when defending by max. Was super tight and something was bound to happen. People wanted closer racing, here you go. Stuff like this sometimes happens when they race hard.
What i find particularly fucking annoying is how sky treated it like verstappen just shot norris' dog, getting particularly upset at him for not debasing himself to them. Weird little bully moment where everyone piled on him like norris didnt repeatedly divebomb. Felt gross. British bias is still real.
Tommy is the most objective Max fan snd that's ehy i respect his opinions
Think he's the average fan, fanbois are the ones who comment and say toxic things
@@Pidea14 and unfortunately, they're the ones with the loudest voices.
@@Pidea14the amount of fanboys crying about one another is completely obnoxious
I fault max all the time but still tune in for him. What he does 99% of the time that is so impressive out ways the questionable moves or down right dirty moves for me to tune in for it
Lap 64 Max changes direction and takes the blame, I can agree on that.
But don’t think Lando’s multi divebombs is any better. All could have been race-ending incidents for both.
If oscar doesn't get his lap deleted he'd probably win, what a shame
He had the fastest car and lost to a dude who had the joint 3rd fastest car. The shame is he is off the pace in the fastest car.
@@lukenoonan3898Only by 2 seconds despite losing 4 grid positions to a marginal track limits call. Hardly off the pace.
If RB has quick pitstops, Max would have won easily.
@@SimonStandbridge he was 20 seconds behind his team mate bro what are you smoking? Either be objective or don't bother comment because it's embarrassing. Reminder, the dude had the fastest car and was 2 seconds behind another dude with the 3rd fastest car.
"If blah blah blah" arguments need to go in the bin. Racing isn't qualifying and results are earned, not given to the "fastest car"
Neither, they were both hard racing. Who actually was at fault is the FIA, who took 10mins to look at clear footage of Lando going off track 30 times before they gave him his penalty
Max nf outside the regulations constantly moving under breaking
@@safcjcpNo he wasn’t derelict
@@safcjcp Max moved just before breaking not under breaking and that is allowed.
Did anyone else see Max and lando made contact, then see lando purposely drive into him after?
I think lando got more damage from that, instead of the original contact.
If you hadn't done that he could have finished the race and won
My guess is that Lando expected Max to make the corner after that and not continue ahead. Thats why he turned as well
@@TheMoikero goes to show that Lando wasn`t the smartest today.
The only thing I will say about Perez is he did have a decent size hole in his side pod, BUT it was his fault anyway because he hit Piastri
Anyone else does this move (sainz) racing incident
Max
The worst thing any driver could have done 😂😂
British bias and entitlement from Lando
I think Max’s move wasnt as bad as his haters are presenting it. In a way this was an important statement from Max to Lando till the end of the season. And luckily he even benefited from this.
He caused a collision, it’s pretty cut and dry
@@Duval-In-The-WallLando dove up the inside of max and made max go wide 3x before this. If they’d collided, it would’ve been Lando’s fault. Realistically, if Lando had just run wide instead of trying to turn in, they’d have both finished the race. And If we’re talking about mistakes, Lando made more. Max’s just had worse consequences
@Ashley-lz9jh watch the replay Lando was going straight, Max was drifting over to the left. Clear as day.
@@Ashley-lz9jh
If they collided, but they didn’t. That move is pretty much in the Max playbook anyway
Max kept weaving under braking, he looked like he was going to cause a crash, and he did
Totally Lando's fault, he kept dive bombing max and already got a 5 second penalty for tracks limits as a result before the collision ever occured!!!
Ok, been watching f1 since 84. Karted, until I was 31. Did lower level open wheel… you guys have never raced a day in your life obviously. As a Ferrari fan, the most crazy/dangerous move was the dive bomb by Lando. That could have been an absolute disaster &&&& …your comment…Maxy went off on purpose is laughable. Saying all that, yes the last move was Maxy fault, that incident was catastrophic, yet the least of all the bad moves by both drivers. The biased is ridiculous….Be better do better guys.
Lando never had his car in front of Max apart from divebombing a few times.
According to the rules post drivers complaints about Max Verstappen, in 2022 the rules were re clarified to not need a car to be exactly beside the other, just that a "substantial part of the car" was alongside the other. Even the prior detail on the rule of axel to axel, was only at the point of the apex. Max went into Lando even before they actually hit the Apex.
Lando is doing emotional "manipulation" about the friendship, stirring up by sky sports, who are loving this. Bring the answer to Max, wgat Lando said about that. Max said they would talk about it, but not today. It's full of adrenaline.
Lando doesn't care about whatever psychological claptrap you're making up, he spoke facts, he's p¡ssed at Max for ending his race and said that it's up to him to come out and sort it out. That's exactly what should happen. Lando can't go out there and speak for Max, can he.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksmess with the bull and you get the horns.
The 5 sec penalty for Norris only came after the crash, Fia is sooo slow!
Wouldn't have made a difference anyway.
They had to review if Max late moves caused the lockup, (as if you have to turn while breaking you lose a lot of braking).
it came after 2 or 3 laps. Which means 2 or 3 minutes. Sounds ok to me
@@F1ll1nTh3BlanksI think so
I don't think Norris had an opportunity to serve the penalty, since he retired right after. Does this mean he will get a grid place penalty for Silverstone?
I have never seen such a small incident get this overblown. Unbelievable.
Because a British crybaby was involved, it was bound to happen
Small incident? A fight for the lead of the grand prix that went on for several laps and ended up with both leading drivers been taken out is a "small incident"? OK...
@@sahilthomasbara that you made such an immature statement on a public forum is embarrasing
@@a1white I am talking about the contact and what caused it
you already forgot the start of the spanish GP?? there was dust everywhere!!!! lando very innocent, i give you more than enough room!! did max than say as crybaby i dont want to be your friends anymore?
lando does exactly the same.
But it was more than once
There are drivers and there are drivers. Senna, Schumacher, even Lewis, known to skirt the rules, and slam the door. Guys like Senna and Max are just wired that way.
100 percent right on
I completely agree. But it doesn’t mean it’s right.
honestly looking back at the fight multiple times its hard to even fault Max (completely).
Twice Lando absolutely sends it forcing Max to take evasive action and even go off the track.
Then Max positions his car to take the apex and Lando refuses to go into the run off. Yes Max was at fault and had to leave more track space, but Norris also had ample time and space to react.
At the end of the day though Max takes 10 points while Charles/Norris both take 0.
@@daarom3472 how is it any different to what max does all the time? Actually the difference is lando managed to avoid contact unlike max. We've seen him do it with lewis seb raikkonen
@@daarom3472 nah it's obvious he was at fault, luckily nothing much happened
A ONE HOUR PODCAST STRAIGHT AFTER THE RACE? YES PLEASE. ❤❤❤
Thank you guys!
As a lando fan I laughed about them coming together. This level of aggression was what I wanted to see, while the end result was rough for him, he’s shown max he’s here to race.
Lewis tried to play that game with Max. What happened to Lewis since then?
@@karleintracht4958Lewis, Lewis, Lewis, always goes back to Lewis.
@@karleintracht4958we all know how 2021 went down... After that there was no mercedes to fight for wins.
Lando saying that he raced fair and clean the whole race is just funny. He divebombed Max numerous times when Max needed to avoid a collision. Yet no one is talking about that.😂 Now everyone is bashing Max. 😂
"dive bombing" isnt dirty. Its how you pass.
@@MrTobytat2 By pushing the other driver off track with all the divebombs? If Max would do that you would be all going crazy for penalties. 😂 Max literally had to move out of the way two times because Lando was going straight off track while divebombing. 😂
@@0okyo Max wasn't pushed off. He went off to keep his momentum. You don't watch much racing, do you? And Lando went off track once. You don't have any leg to stand on so you lie.
@@MrTobytat2 I see that you didn’t even watched the race 😂 It’s okay to have zero clue and comment without watching , but you will only seem to be stupid this way. 😂 He went off the track because Lando braked so late that if Max continues to turn in they will crash 100% . But since you didn’t watch the race you must missed these parts😂
@@0okyo I don't care what you tell yourself nor does anyone else. If you make the corner and are ahead, it's your corner. What Max does to deal with that fact is up to Max. And apparently he likes going off the track in order to keep his position.
To learn a bit more about F1 go watch Peter Windsor's video about this...
Amen!
I saw some really aggressive attempts to overtake and some equally aggressive defending, I found it refreshing tbh... Racing!! The real issue is the FIA sitting on that 5 second penalty for such an absurdly long time, which means drivers are having key information witheld that affects their decision-making, it's just disgraceful.
Which 5sec penalty? Norris track limits or Verstappen overtaking off track?
Shame about Piastri’s deleted lap, he would have inherited the win
Future world champ honestly
I don't think he would like to INHERIT his first GP win, especially when it takes to his teammate be eliminated in front of him.. Oscar with his tire attitude should be qualifying in front of Lando, he should have better first laps to show his raw speed. Now it's just about him toasting his tires with no relevant reason.
Whats the shame ? He could not keep it between the lines. Lost it fair and square.
@@thunderbolt854 If that was the case, he must have touched the gravel, since that's why the gravel trap is there...oh, but he didn't.
@@Wolfywolf7 the gravel trap is not a catch all and its not a rule enforced.. if ypu are touching the gravel you are ridiculously wide and cheating at that point. The rule is to keep atleast 1 wheel within the white lines. And he unfortunately crossed the line completely. If you still want to argue with the clearly laid put rule what can i say 🤷♂️
If we are talking about track limits. Lando was already presented the black and white. So no matter what he would get a penalty next time he left the track regardless of fighting max. Say lando does not get the penalty what precedent does that set. Use your 4 warnings to gain an advantage to the person in front, go off in a battle and get away with it. Just does not make sense
The fact that you guys didn't mention that Perez had a huge gaping hole in his car is SHOCKING
EXACTLY!!!
Ultimately it doesn't matter, Perez underperformed all weekend AGAIN
He just didn't though
Yes, he got that in lap 1 turn 1, when he and Oscar sqeezed Le Clerc. Perez was the one most to blame for that.
There's a huge gaping hole in Perez's talent.
21:03 “I don’t know what the rules are”. Maybe look it up mate, I feel like that’s your job as the guy making a living off discussing Formula 1.
You're getting tilted over them not knowing a rule💀
@@Mercedes0nTop excuse for expecting an F1 journalist to know F1 rules. It’s one thing to not know but it’s another thing not bothering to look it up when discussing the topic. It shows lack of respect to their audience. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re not journalists/experts anymore, just two guys yapping about a race.
@@thunderkilla1807 they aren't experts or journalists, just two guys having fun talking about the race and answer some questions from fans. If the fans wanted to know the rule that bad, they could just look it up themselves
@@Mercedes0nTop brain dead response. If they don't know what they're talking about, what's the point of talking?
@@thunderkilla1807 they know a lot of stuff, just cause they don't know one thing you getting pressed. If you're getting this mad then look it up yourself. A lot of the time when you look something up it doesn't give you the exact respones to what you need, and that was kind of a specific question so they probably wouldn't get one with a simple question to Google.
WHAT A SEASON THIS HAS BEEN
*Piastri should’ve been driver of the day*
I’d have to say they are both at fault. However as a Max fan talking ….he did push it a little far, however I like seeing those elbows out ! I also saw some aggressive moves from Lando !!! Was an awesome show between the both of them !!
It’s about time we had position drops like in Motogp because time penalties often mean nothing
Indeed about 3 years to late lol
drive through penally like the long lap penalty in MotoGP. Granted a drive through you lose far more time. but for the blatant offencese in F1 that result in another driver DNF i think drive through penalties are warranted.
Yeah, have position drops because a driver you don't like received a penalty lol. It has been this way for as long as F1 has existed, and I'm damn sure you didn't complain about it before today.
@@tex4523 offences aren't looked at with the post offence consequence. They're looked at with the actual move regardless of what happened. Otherwise Hamilton would've gotten a race ban for Silverstone 2021.
@@indcredible7839 I have thought of it many times, especially during the Mercedes era when everyone was so spread out anyway that when accidents do happen, the penalties meant nothing
Max has the mentality of a beast , he always gives it all to be on the top and that what makes him very special
"Let Lando push him off"? Are you kidding me? Norris his first launch was from 35 meters behind and he didn't even come close to making the corner himself. That nearly took both of them out. The second time he launched again from 35 meters behind. A little bit more controlled but he again just overshoots the corner and parks it at the edge of the track, which leaves Verstappen no other option besides leaving the track. That's not proper racing. It's also what got Hulkenberg a penalty in the sprint race.
Norris should have been shown a flag after that one for unsportsmanlike driving. There is no way to properly race if Norris just divebombs every lap from that distance. Verstappen can never turn into the corner because he always needs to avoid a McLaren crashing into him.
And for those claiming that Verstappen did the same thing in the past. No he did not. Austria 2019 Verstappen was only sending it on the inside when his front wing was almost level with Leclerc's rear tires. Norris was sending it when he was over 3 tenths back from Verstappen. This was some of the most ridiculous divebombs I have ever seen in that corner.
Yeah, I think people need to rewatch it and not make up or mix up different situations. Bit disappointed in the two. the 4th track limit was the ridiculous divebomb to the inside. there is not one simulator scenario that allows Lando to make that corner. Also, Max was quite mature and reflective and not emotional at all in the pen. Like someone said, he said what he had to said for the media without giving them what they were lurking for (will you still be friends...)
Nah, Lando's first attack Max cut in front of him at the last minute and he backed out. Max set the precedent there that he wasn't gonna play fair so neither did Lando with his next attacks. From there on it was inevitable they'd crash as neither was racing respectfully
Found the Max homer lmao
@@Gwox So Norris decided to divebomb every time from 35 meters back because he saw verstappen turning in slightly early to a corner., Really mature racing then isn't it?
@@the1gladiator2 first of all, Max wasn't turning in, it was very clearly a move to block and was way too early for a turn-in point. Secondly, I never said it was mature. Personally I think it's a real shame, but with how poor the stewarding is in F1 the best way to race is with 0 respect and hope everyone moves out your way. Senna did it, Schumacher did it, Hamilton did it, and now Max is doing it, and if anyone wants to challenge him, that's what they're gonna have to do too
race review is here before meme review means that the race cooked 😂😂😂
Both drivers are at fault and not at fault. It happens when you push to the limit. I enjoyed it.
Kinda weird right, this is what everyone wants and then all the pundits cry about it… Probably the best wheel to wheel battle we’ve seen all season 🤷🏽♂️
As a fan of both Max and Lando, I was hoping they’d keep it clean (I guess I don’t want those two in particular to hate each other). Max was at fault for the incident, but I don’t think it’s as egregious as everyone’s tweets and comments. The moving under the breaking is an issue, but they are both competitors and the goal is to win. They, meaning Max and Lando, will do anything it takes to win. Deep divebombs, squeezing, moving under breaking, aggressive defending, and pushing the rules to the limit are why these guys are such elite and great competitors. I hate it for both of them as a fan, but I understand it.
Hey not trying to fight or take sides. But i see alot of comments mentioning Max moving underbraking. But if u look at the telemetry/onboards, u can see Max moves n then brakes. U can say he moved in the braking zone but he never moved while actually braking.
I m a sim racer n we pull this move all the time n its usually upto the guy behind to not ram the guy infront.
I just wanna see what others r seeing.
@@nafizjubaer1717 I completely get that and the little bit of sim racing I do, I’ll squeeze before I break too. I think it’s a tough one because I hadn’t seen the telemetry data yet. Either way it’s a move I know and love Max for but as a competitor myself, I’d be hard-pressed not to say that it’s a competitors job to push the limits. Lando has plenty of fault in this too. I’d even say it’s just a racing incident and it just sucks it’s between arguably my favorite 2 on the grid. But thanks for your input!
@@nafizjubaer1717I have to respectfully disagree. Might not have been every time but most egregious was lap 55 (and I guess the lap they made contact?). They brake around the 100 meter board and Max starts pulling right around the 60 meters. A/V might not be perfectly synced but you can hear the car decelerating before the 100 meter board. No chance he’s not already on the brakes at this point.
@@JustinArthQBalso a sim racer (& a Lando and max fan too) and have to say that Lando too holds some blame. The kerbing in the outside of that corner is easily driveable and imo, Lando could have seen the squeeze and taken a wider line to undercut max. Sure this is what max was wanting him to do, but with DRS - I think Lando gets him in the straight regardless
id say the cheating defending was worse than the actual bang
It was nobody's fault, this was a racing incident, between two highly skilled drivers. Nobody did what the other wouldnt do in the reversed position. I always laugh at these so called F1 fans who start to whine when we finally see some high end driving and competing for a win. Enjoy it, saviour it. This is what we want.
In defence of Max. He had to break twice because of Norris dive bombs to avoid a collision. That's a fact you should take into account and is on account of Norris.
It does not matter whether or not it's a totle battle. That also counts for Norris.
Everybody can do everything to Max, but for Max, different rules are applied. That's measuring with different standards.
Lando didnt make the corner once. Not twice. You "dive bomb" and make the corner, its called a pass.
First one was a mistake, he didn’t make the corner
However on the second one he reached the apex first and got past. Lately in F1 we’re used to drivers closing the door on exit, idk how Max was able to run off track and keep that position
@@Duval-In-The-Wall His rear tire had just been blown out. That doesn't exactly help him make the corner.
Moving like that in the braking zone is against the rules, simple as.
Let's not forget Max and his driving style that earned him his rep in F1. He has a track record.
@@sletzer
I’m talking about the lap before, Max accelerated off the track to keep the lead
Lando has become a total whiner.
You would complain to if Max drove you off the road
@@Bobby09LFC Max didn’t when Lando droge him in the grass. It’s called motorracing.
Lando trying to do an old Danny Ric, lick the stamp but forgot to post it..
He sent it via Evri
Hulk, Danny Ric, The Alpines, all some solid drives
It’s now three in row that Danny Ric has beaten Yuki. Danny Ric has the bit between his teeth now.
@@michaelcobbinUnpopular opinion - Dan’s had better race pace most of the season. Yuki is quicker over 1 lap & it’s harder to overtake so Yuki has the better results.
@@warrenm6882 You are probably right. Daniel’s race pace experience is starting to show. If Daniel continues with this form, people will have to shut up on the topic that Daniel doesn’t deserve to be F1. It was clear that Haas and Daniel went with a different tyre strategy, and it paid off.
@@warrenm6882how is that 😜 unpopular everyone knows that
If you think the Max and Lando contact was Maxs fault you need to go to the hospital and get your brain checked. And also there have been dirtier drivers then Max, for example Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Alonso (And legit every driver in history that have dominated) that get praised for being dirty drivers while Max gets fucking hated by driving the same way as the drivers i named of. Like Lando is crying over racing.
Max is at fault, I'm not disputing that, BUT, I think it's been blow out of proportion with how big it is "NORRIS & VERSTAPPEN FRIENDSHIP OVER", "NORRIS AND VERSTAPPEN HIT THEIR BREAKING POINT". Watch the replay from the overhead shot, not the TV shot, but there's one that's from the helicopter I think. Max isn't moving under braking, he's chosen his line, which is to slowly squeeze Norris so he gets no room to move, and there's the slightest bit of wheel to wheel contact, which honestly, I'm pissed at Pirelli because under that force, if it's just wheel to wheel contact, no floor cutting the tyre, that's pretty bad that the tyres can fall apart like that. If it had been 2016 Austria, Rosberg vs Hamilton kind of contact, then maybe, but there isn't anything overly wrong with the incident.
The England game was the last thing that would calm you down if you wanted England to win
Nvm max being naughty this race. Norris is showing this race why he is not world champion material. He lacks the wheel to wheel skill, he lacks clever planning and doesnt set up his moves very well. Max was at fault, but as max said as well, "this is not how you want to race".
Charles is way better than Norris, this last few races just show us exactly that.
Srewards needed to penalize Lando for track limits much quicker before the incident.
Actually they penalised Lando for track limit when he was pushed by Max out of the track. That's FIA for you mate, an absolute joke.
@@NotSamuzed0o0 That one was not the reason that Lando got his penalty. It was way before and just got announce when that happened
Lando was going to do an under cut , went in to fast. Look at the inboard Max never turned left.
did everyone forget that last week Lando pushed Max out of the track on start of the race and then he says to Max i gave you plenty space ???