BUILDING THE ULTIMATE ELK ARROW FOR 2021 // ABT
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- BUILDING THE ULTIMATE ELK ARROW FOR 2021 // ABT Dan & Josh walk through a thoughtful conversation on what arrow is going to suit Dan's set-ups for the 2021 season. Our philosophy is simple, ALWAYS BE TINKERING to find out what works best for you given your equipment and skill. #ABT #ElkShape
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Best Practices For Testing Broadheads 👇👇 ?! Outside of the standard tests.. We've got more tinkering to do...
Get ballistic gel abdomen or something like that and see what they do when it comes to bleeding and wound cavity. I know graphic but it would show what they could do.
Iron will, Kudu, or VPA
Go to your local butcher and get some beef scapulas, if it will penetrate a cow scapular, you should be good. Ballistic gel would be fun, but that’s probably really expensive
Day six evo, meat seeker, Ram Cat
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Qad exodus. Very accurate, amazing blood trails, and pass through on all the deer I have shot with them.
100%
I’ve been using the Exodus for many years with great success.
Use them for years with a carbon express red arrow.
But recently switched to the BE X impact
Never thought I’d be the guy to advocate for a broadhead but I’m with ya. I’ve had ridiculous results with the QADs. Very accurate, penetrate and pass through every animal I’ve seen so far and leave a good hole and blood trail.
I had one blow through both shoulder blades on a deer last year
Exodus all the way. I haven’t found anything that flies as well
QAD Exodus is the best 3 blade I've ever used. No tuning, great long range accuracy, tougher than nails. Exodus, if you're listening, offer a large, two blade heavy, and ride the crest of the Ashby, heavy head tsunami while you can.
I shoot the victory rip xv 300 with 185 ethics insert/ outsert and 100-125 grain broad heads 513(20%foc)-538(23%foc)grains total. I snorted the Ranch fairy dust and ended up in the middle. I have had a pass through on everything I have shot. I made a fallow up shot on a doe shot her in the left hip and came out her right shoulder. I was extremely impressed with the arrow combo.
Magnus stinger buzzcut 100 grains on an easton aftermath 340 with a 75 grain brass insert for my tags!!
If he's clocking left grizzly stik makes a left bezel broad head to match up with a left helical
Victory VAP 300 spine for me using Annihilator XL 125 grain broadhead. 450-grain total arrow weight. It's a deadly combination so far.
Literally same set up, how are you getting 450? My shafts are 27.875 or 28” for GPI sake, 50gr outsert, 125xl annihilator, gonna come about 492 at 334IBO/80lbs/29”DL
@@MoseMoser I have a short 28" DL. Arrow setup is 26.25" carbon to carbon. 50gr Shock TL, TAC Matrix 2.25 vanes, TAC arrow wrap, AAE IP-4 nock, Annihilator XL 125gr. TAC Vanes are lightweight and so are the new AAE IP-4 nocks. You might want to consider switching to those components.
The valkeryie archery broadheads are machined from S1 tool steel and have a tanto style tile to help break bone and continue cutting as well as a shallow sloped blade for less friction on the blades.
word up!
Ozcut Hurricane 3 blade single bevels. Sounds like exactly what you want. They don't come shave sharp new but a quick go on a stone and they're solid AF
Ozcut Broadheads are injection molded so they are out in my opinion.
@@malcolmjohnson5941 yeah they're weak AF they chip so easily. They fly well though but drop unless you're shooting a fast bow
I watch your content. I have watched the ranch ferry. I love bow hunting. The capability, and the ability to tune modern bows is incredible. I am from the traditional era. Modern bows can do anything you want them to do.
Been shooting Victory for a few years. Currently flinging a 300 spine VAP TKO. Solid arrows. 75gr inserts,100gr single bevel lifetime warranty Bee Stingers, Stealth Vanes with wraps. These arrows fly true to their mark and would knock a Squatch down at 80 yards..only after getting a grainy/shaky video to record the kill shot. Cheers, fellas
Glad to hear it!
Magnus ser razor. My favorite broadheads by far. I have them on the VAP ELITES 250 cut to 27 1/8 in. and the 75 grain shok tl inserts. 100 gn broadheads. With a four fletch max stealth for a total weight of 487 and that will change depending on components and length of arrow. But I dig it and it's what I would recommend to anyone. Give it a shot!
I just finished fletching up some X-Impacts (350), Easton Axis 4mm (400), Easton Axis 5mm (400), Easton FMJ 4mm (400). I'm tinkering with both the Iron Will Snyder Core system and the Valkyrie Jagger broadheads. I'll let you know how it goes. ABT!
Totally agree about the vented. I was happy with the choice I made for a bear and it saved my butt. I will probably be shooting a wide for white tail this year.
Same! Bear EPPY coming next Monday
Yeah... I'm a fan of the 5mm also. Love the Iron Will outserts and products. Shooting the Easton Axis Match grade, 5mm 300 spine this year with a 75 grain Easton insert, 25 gr Ironwill outsert, 150 gr Magnus Stinger and they have been fantastic. No wrong choices here.
For several years I have been using the low-temp blue hot melt. I've had like 3-4 arrows that the insert came out and that was on the new foam from McKensie started using. And if you want to " clock" the broadheads just barely warm up the insert with the broadhead screwed in and rotate. The hotmelt will reset and be fine.
Crafted Archery Aero 1. Best broadheads I've ever used. Single bevel and they make a left hand bevel. Shot a hog, broke it's spine and busted through it's skull. Pulled it out, sharpened it and used it again the same day.
I never thought about why Shuttle T's never bled, But I couldn't agree more. I stopped shooting those this after the first time I shot a 5x5 bull and found zero blood. I threw every one of them away when I got back to the house.
Hey guys. Sitting here watching your video now. This year I’m running the
Black Eagle deep impacts with their stainless steel outsert, and the 125 grain Annihilator broad head. I think will be a dangerous arrow for any animal that crosses my path.
I have almost identical setup with easyvanes and lighted nocks, I reground my annihilators to a 44 deg instead of the stock 60 to make them a bit sharper.
Hey Dan , can you do a video on the victory arrow showing weather the arrow is actually spine aligned ? i have shot victory arrows for a long time and found that they are not spine aligned. can you and MFJJ do a video on checking them? Love the content. thanks
I'd love to see a test with the Sevr 1.5s, 1.7s, and 2s
My setup: Easton AXIS 300 spine with the Iron Will HIT insert system. 3 Blazers with a short wrap. QAD Exodus Full Blade broadheads. TAW = 505 grains. All American made!! Victory arrows are not made in the USA if that matters to you as you indicated in the video. 😉
I’ve been shooting the G5 Montecs for many years and have been very pleased. They also shoot very similar to my field points.
X Impact is my favorite arrow for hunting and for 3D and long distance target.
My favorite broadheads are QAD Exodus the past 4-5 years.
Just picked up a 6 pack of iron Will single bevel to play around with. (I have a few buddies that love them).
I have not had any issues getting the X Impact arrows out here on the east coast.
Just ordered another dozen and got them in 4 days.
I stock up on arrows and broadheads all the time.
Never want to run short and not be able to get them when I need them during the season or when I’m out in the Mid-West on a hunting trip.
Great video. Very informative. Josh Jones is fantastic. I drop the mf because that is used for people who have cell phones attached to their ears and need them stuck somewhere else while driving. Lol. Thanks for the post. Outstanding as always. Tim does a great job editing and formatting your videos.
Lol he is great!
I highly recommend QAD exodus, I have used it for years on deer,moose,bear and elk and have had amazing performance every time, super sharp, great blood trail and have had great penatration a pass through on almost every shot even on the bigger game!! And they fly great very accurate
I use 175 gr Valkyrie solid head on a gold tip velocity XT with a stainless steel insert from ethic's Archery. My bot is a elite kure at 29" draw and 60 pounds. I have never not had a pass threw and it's the strongest head I have ever seen. Flys like a lazer
I used those exact same vpa heads last year on whitetails and was happy with how they performed. More than likely they are what I'm going to take to Montana this year for elk. I'm also switching to the rip tko 👌
word up!
I use the rip tko's and they are great! you will love them
Sevr 1.5, hit and elk this year with a pass through and the damage was amazing. By far the best mechanical on the market. There's a reason Bowmar shoots them.
I have the 4mm Easton Axis long range. With 135gr iron will Single Bevel Snyder core broadheads an 20gr deep six inserts. 25gr collar 8gr arrow wrap, 3 fletch AAE Max Hunter. Total arrow weight 470gr. 14% FOC. Its a boss arrow
Big fan of victory arrows. There tolerances are great and they come spine aligned. I'm shooting the Rip tko elites this year
You guys have a good arrow setup going that I’m currently using the victory rip sport arrow in a .0006 straightness and I’m seeing super str8 arrows only 1 out of 12 was wobbly so I cut all of the at the nock end to 28 inches I’m using aae max stealth vanes with a 100 grain g5 montec and using the standard insert at 60 grains and I’m blowing through almost every animal I’m shooting deer bear and coyotes clean pass throughs and animals down in 60 yds
At the end of the day, any one of those arrows with any one of those heads will do the job. Your arrow and head can’t make the shot for you so take less time obsessing over minor details and spend more time behind the bow.
I outfitted my Easton long range with the steel victory 75 shock outsert and works flawlessly!!!
ANNIHILATORS!!!!!!!!! Hoping to be drawn for my Tennessee elk tag this year for the first time ever. Odds are good right now. Gonna build my arrows with Annihilators this year.
Shooting axis match grade 340 28” carbon to carbon 2” q2 vanes and a 6” orange wrap 75 grains up front with a 100gr tooth of the arrow broadhead lobbing them out of my 2018 BTX at 60 lbs they are cooking about 260 FPS
I would love to know your thoughts about the Valkyrie broadheads!
They are awesome!
You'll Love the Victorys, great company, w. great people like Scott and Myke working there. PSE NXT 33, 80lb, 32 draw, Vap SS 250, Shwacker Levi Morgan head, 513g moving 307fps. 6 down so far on the set up w. zero issues.
Lol can't be ask the pros lol
My aluminum xx75 125 grain magnus stinger head right helical feathers! OLD SCHOOL boys!
old school 🤘🤘
This year I’m shooting victory vap ss with 75 grain outserts for 502 grains overall. Broadheads are the striker v2 because that’s what I have. I’m only doing deer season this year. If I were doing elk season I would put a little more thought into doing a 2 blade. But I think with my setup the striker is going to blow through any deer.
Love the rip tkos, by far my favorite arrow. I have had a lot of top tier arrows this past year. Easton injexions, easton full metal jacket injexions, victory vap tkos, gold tip kinetic pierce platinums, and lastly the rip tkos. They are the shit, running aae max hunters, awesome vanes. Arrows fly like darts. Total arrow weight 462 out of my v3 I’m getting about 285 FPS. 125 grain qad exodus broadheads. Ready to rip it up come September.
Just built the same arrows
Cool video. I’ve shot Easton Axis since they came out, exclusively. This year so far I tested out Black Eagle Rampage, Sirius Apollo, Easton Hexx, and the Victory RIP TKO Elite. Been real happy with these Victory’s. 100 grain insert with a 100 grain Magnus stinger .250 spine. Lovin it.
I built several different setup for this year. Victory RIP Elite 350 with the Valkyrie Blood Eagle 150 & 175 grain, this worked very well for me. (I took a small buck and doe with the same arrow and broadhead combo last year) I also took a spike elk and a small bear with the Victory RIP and Valkyrie Blood Eagle 175 grain. The other two arrow setups Victory VAP Elite 350 and the Black Eagle X-Impact with the Valkyrie Center Pin Sleeve and Jagger 150 and 180 grain broadheads. All three system are flying very well out of my bow. Elk Shape if you want to try the Blood Eagles 150 and 175 grain let me know I can drop them off at SVA
I follow all the major archery channels and to be honest you guys seem to be my go to. Ive only been able to find 6 RIP XVs on Amazon. Everyone is out. I blame this vid 🤣🤣
Just bought a dozen victory SS elites and love them!
Just got a dozen also need to cut and fletch them they look and feel dope can’t wait to see how they fly.
After my tinkering landed on VAP TKO - 75g insert 125g annihilator broadheads.. 17.99%FOC
Gold tips cheaper "air strike" is the black label quantum and they're .025" straightness. Great arrow as well, I've shot them for a couple years now. Not super cheap but definitely cheaper than air strikes. I have a couple dozen quantum that I'll take to TAC and air strikes set up for hunting.
The Ramcat hydroshock broadheads are pretty awesome. I've seen a bunch of deer go down with these, with amazing blood trails, and they shoot like field points!
Valkyrie blood eagles 150 grain
RIP TKO and any VPA head is as good as it gets.
Using the 150gr Kayuga broad heads on Xtortion Victory arrows this year for bear and elk. I really liked my Black Hornets, but these Kayuga Pilot in 150gr with the bleeder blades just look rugged.
VPAs are too expensive so I mill my own allowing me to put a left-handed twist on it. With three single edge blade shaped like a needle Bodkin that is each blade is one and a half by half leaving a cor in the shape of a triangular needle Bodkin. Better than Muzzy any day of the week not to mention the exit wound is always The Far Side shoulder or your fleshing is whistling 77 lb bow 30-inch draw 200 spine total weight 600. They don't call me white bear for nothing. Better way I'm 52 years old I got that name when I was a kid these days I hunt for Kodiak
Commenting late but maybe you’ll see it and try them out. I bought the valkeryie blood eagle broadheads in 150 grain because of what you have being able to run 25 grains heavier with your arrow. I also really like the jagger broadheads so check valkeryie archery broadheads. I also would say try the fire nocks they have at valkeryie as well because they are brighter then any other nock on the market and are a really good set up.
Day Six EVO X is the ultimate broadhead, it smoked all 5 animals I shot last year with very quick kills!!
Axis 340 match, 28 inches valley to end of carbon, 100 grain trocars on the front end
I think it’s funny josh is as tall sitting down as Dan is standing lol so great
Hands down, Annihilator broad heads are the best in the business! I have used them for two years straight, they do not lose their point or edge, and they fly like a field point. Check them out! I will never go to another broadhead. There are videos on you tube also that show their durability by shooting them through car hoods and car trunks.
I've switched to the Victory TKO Elites and they're flying like darts. They're matched with stainless outsert system and AAE max hunter vanes. On the business end, the fellas at S.V.A. (MFJJ and crew) suggested the outsert system that was reviewed in this video. Essentially, I'm using the same set up as Dan so far, except In still shooting the Old (but tried and true) G5 Montec bh. I've killed Sooo many animals with this head that I run into the Old addage, "IF it ain't broke... Don't fix it!" scenario. They fly true and the bears I killed this year literally went a combined total of 39 yards after the shot. The larger of them, pushing 375 to 400lbs went about 10yards and rolled the last 9 where a tree stopped his downhill roll. The other, died on his feet at 15, then slid the last 5 downhill. There was NO waiting for death moans, etc. I had almost identical hits with exit angles on them. Shot was quartering away at 45degrees, the shot entered between last and second to last rib, exited just forward of the offside shoulder joint itself, still what one would consider forward centering shoulder. Bears were literally D.E.A.D. DEAD within 20-30 seconds of impact. Dan mentions shooting for "his exit" - yes, this makes %1000 sense as where your arrow will exit dictates where you want your shot to enter the animal. I ALWAYS aim at near center of offside front shoulder, because IF you end up just forward of the off scapula, just back, or better yet, center of offside scap, that animal is DONE! They won't go far. My trusty old G5 montec shot from a 70lb, 27.5" draw on an arrow weighing a total of 4 56gr. Has ALWAYS been a complete passthrough. I'd love to try something New in broadheads and was looking at Tooth of the arrow and Day six? Any actual hunting related performance "data" would be great to hear!
word! are you a North Idaho G too?
Try grizzly stick samurai broad heads the steel is very strong and the sharpest broadhead i have ever seen out of the box. Also they come in 125gr. and 200gr. Also I run ethics 100gr inserts with the two together they work great im not afraid to shoot through both shoulders of a deer. The furthest a deer has gone is 50 yards for me
Ive been shooting the airstrikes for a while now, ive been super rough on them to say the least, and i havent had a single durability issue
Blackwidow Innovations, their PX2 head is awesome
I've had the same dozen of RIP TKOs for a couple years now. Had Axis and FMJ 5mm before that. Love the Victories much more. Same 60gr stainless outserts glued in from day 1 in perfect condition still. Just a solid setup all around especially compared to the HIT system.
Who makes the outserts?
@@BlackCobra331 I use the ones made by Victory
looking forward to the info...also placed order today for some arrows VAPS from MFJJ shop...
Any thoughts on the valkyrie broadheads? Too heavy for your setup? I believe the lightest one is 150 grains, but the broadhead itself looks wicked.
Haven't tested yet..
Shot Annihilator broadheads last year they flew like total crap for me were all over the place ended up switching back to Muzzy Trocar
I couldn't even watch the whole thing, you boys love to hear yourself talk,
Sounds like you just don’t want to listen…
@@MrBanolicious Oh you’re right
I’d be curious about you guys take on Ramcat Hydroshocks. They fly great, huge cutting diameter and pretty slick design. But… definitely not as durable as others
Also, I switched to Deer Crossing Archery (DCA) silencer arrows. Small diameter, super freaking durable, proprietary outserts. Best arrows I’ve ever shot. If/when you tinker with them make sure you mention I suggested DCA… you’re gunna love em’
Shooting Axis 260 spine with annihilator 125XLs, 4 fletch max stealth vanes!
Check out the Annihilator broadheads
I'm going with Cutthroat single bevel 125g (left) on my Black Eagle Rampage shafts 350's (stock half-outs) with AAE Max Stealth x 3 (left helical) for a total of 450g. We'll see how it goes. I'm pulling about 59lbs @ 29.5" (V3 31) due to a shoulder injury.
Annihilators are dope! Love mine!
Check out Tooth of the Arrow broadheads. Machined out of a single piece of steel and made in America! Tough heads for sure
Following the 3:1 concept pick up some grizzly stik samurai single bevel broad heads they fly amazing took a shot at my target out to 100 yds and hitting where I wanted it to go
Check out the Muzzy trocar if you haven’t already and the trophy taker shuttle t-lok
They have a stainless insert for the long range.
Loved the episode today guys!!
i shoot the iron will wide vented 150 and the fly great to 110 yards but they do make a bit of a whistling noise.
Vpa heads are sweet, a lot of great things about it, but the solid 125s I had were not the best at longer ranges, bow was tunned to the head, thanks!
RIP TKO 250 - 27.5” arrow
28.5 in draw w/ 75# mods on a VXR 31.5
Iron Will 125 double bevel solid
Iron will 50gn insert
Iron Will 25gn SS collar
5 deg left helical AAE Max Stealth
282.5fps
482 Total Arrow weight - it crushes.
dangerous setup!
I have 125 grain anhilator broadhead on a element quake 300 shaft cut to 27 inches with 135 grain ethics insert and collar 3 tac vane vanes and g series luminock 552 grain total arrow weight 20 percent foc
Grizzly stik Alaskan 200gr single bevel are nasty!! Love the vids!!!
If your arrows naturally clock left, which they most likely do, I'd say left helical with the Kudupoint Contour+ single bevel left hand. It's a pretty nasty setup. That's what I'm going to take into the woods. Sirius Orion 200s with ethics insert and collar and the contour+ single bevel up front and everything's going left.
350 Black eagle renegade and wasp drone 100 grain
Can you guys do a review of the victory vap SS? Nobody is talking about them. I currently have them set up with 280fps 510g 13-14%foc. I would appreciate some insight about it.
Used them, think I had a bad batch as a lot of them blew up in me mid shaft. Was disappointed and bought day six arrows instead.
Annihilator broadheads are probably my favorite, would love to here your opinions
Another great broadhead you should look into would be the Magnus black hornet serazor
Single Bevel two blade with no bleeder every time. VPA or Vandieman.
Van dieman all day. Sharp af straight out of the packet. There moulded as well
You tossed the Airstrikes. You mentioned they are not durable? I got 2 dozen to test for myself and always had pretty decent service out of GT shafts. I bought the stainless 1/2 outs for more FOC as I actually use them on a lot of other shafts just like you do as well. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Airstrikes. I want to make up some RIP XV and RIP TKO's with the GT stainless halfouts, but Lancaster is out of those shafts which stinks.
200 grain heads
Tuff head evolution 200
Grizzly stick black label massai single bevel 200
Next are 125 grain heads
Grizzly stick silver flame and xl
Grizzly stick black label massai
try the Ramcat Hydroshock...I've seen great results
Day Six Evo X broadheads!
What are your thoughts on the Iron Will Single Bevel vs the Iron Will double? Any differences in blood trails or long range accuracy?
I am stuck between using the AAE max stealth or max 23 in a 4 fletch or trying the TAC fletches the drivers in a 2.75 or 2.25 4 fletch in a 2 degree right helical. I am setting up an Axis 5mm 260 spine 34” length arrow with 120gn ethics insert and 100gn mechanical but want to tinker with the QAD exodus. Any suggestions and should I stick to a 4 fletch or would a 3 work?
VAP SS Victory arrows with QAD 125 grain broadhead. NOTHING BETTER
For deer I'm using the sever 1.5 and thinking the g5 for elk with the 300 spine victory RIP elite. Total weight 465 grns with 15% foc.
Hey guys, I've got the arizona ez fletch right and I'm not getting helical like dan is getting, not even close. Anyone else have this problem?
Iron Will 125gr regular or Annihilator 125gr regular - shoot great & straight out to 85yds and what I am packing this year
Element storm series arrows with a 100 grain Kratos! The fire & ice arrows are good also
Ozcut 3 blade huracane single beveled and can get crazy sharp.
Would love to see you experiment with the Valkyrie broadheads
Worth a tink..
@@ElkShape agreed
So everyone has their pick of broadheads. I have shot and killed with many. Muzzy, G5, Ironwill, and the grim reapers all fixed blade. I have ended up with a bishop archery Holy trinity. You can buy in bulk of three or single broadheads. Last year I tagged 1 deer, 2 elk, and 1 bear. Same head just touched the blade up.
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