TT:120 HM7000 HMDCC & OO Gauge What's Coming And Needed Next For Model Railways Going Forward | ml46
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00:00 Simon's Seat
01:10 Revolution Trains
02:45 Peco & Can Someone...
03:05 Cavalex Innovations
03:43 Bachmann Innovations
4:44 HMDCC vs DCC Decoders
6:12 Hornby Innovations & Requests
10:42 HM|DCC App Requests
11:58 THE BIG ONE Answered & WHY!
One more thing is that any ideas we think, even if they may seem a bit silly or whatever should be said as it’s often the things we say in passing that trigger another’s imagination and vice versa. Sometimes even the perceived negative comments or criticisms can spur you on to do the greater things. Still feel sad that Simon Kohler, was kind of mysteriously, retired so soon after all the dedication he put into this scale. Him reaching out so directly, to ourselves, the consumers was another fearless achievement he brought to the UK modelling scene. There aren’t many who give that, unfortunately, unless it’s sales related or they’re constantly buttered up a bit in my experience. In engineering they called it ‘…. licking’ and not many managers wanted those seemingly below their status, getting too well known on the shop floor, only to possibly reveal, they themselves were lacking in some way so, the yes men, rather than skill, innovation, etc got promoted instead, to keep they’re lofty positions and 4x4 spot on the Car Park safe and that went up the ranks. I saw it as a young naïve apprentice, it looked, to me, as if it were being actively encouraged. Ego, power, avarice and envy, all going hand in hand, yet the good in all of us only really wants to help, it’s not about being right, its about doing the right thing and that meant turning that bit off it seemed. I saw good men, who didn’t, mocked by those above but, nevertheless theyd take their ideas, call them their own, take the golden handshakes and wear the white coats with a proud grin. One Foreman, a bit lower down in the peckig order, who wore a blue coat but, one I admired, as he had some humour, once turned on me in front of his senior management. When questioned he responded by saying, ‘Well look, if you cant beat ‘em, join ‘em’. He then twitched and fell back into line, laughing again but, this was the mocking one saying, ‘You can stick to mending the machines but, I’m off golfing, get it. I’m still clocked on here of course so, thats betwen you and me righ?’ Wrong, I said in my heart but, smiled, never spoke with him again in the same way and it’s stuck with me ever since👍 - Навчання та стиль
HI there, I came across your interesting video. Thanks for mentioning Revolution's MMA/JNA box wagons. Re the price: it is the same as our N gauge equivalents. Although we will spend some extra on tooling to allow us to depict accurate detail variations such as 9-rib and 11-rib bodies with our without side doors and variations in brake equipment, the over-riding factor in setting price is the number of models you expect to make. For TT:120 we lack hard data so we have done our best to keep the price realistic. They are designed for customers who've ordered 66s to have something properly modern, as the 4-wheel HAA coal hoppers and TTA tankers are now largely out of use. Speaking of which, you'd need at least 24 coal wagons for a realistic train - whereas our train formations diagram (glad you like it) show that 6-12 box wagons make for a perfectly prototypical modern train. So while individual wagons may cost more, the total train can be less!
@@revolutiontrains Hello and thank you. Am sure subscribers, like myself greatly appreciate you reaching out, as Simon Kohler did in other ways when TT was launched. Another in the industry, certainly, still feels the loss of his openness, commitment and drive. Thanks too, for the additional information 👍👍
Some great suggestions hope at least a few make it into production... excellent video
@@raynorton5920 Thank you 👍
Andy love your video content keep them coming
Andy I wonder whether you can help me I have at least 20 hm 7000 listed on my phone I am scared if I lose my phone I've lost all the information to any ideas on how to retrieve the information if you lose your phone
@@SteveBurgess-ze7cl Thanks Steve 👍
@@SteveBurgess-ze7cl My main gadget is my iPad Pro which stays in the house so, this being a good way to secure that. My suggestion of a Hornby Hub or Hornby Cloud would also secure that.
I’ve never actually lost my phone, have you? I make a written list anyway so if your main gadget goes missing or breaks down that would be a back up. I think this is what you mean and of course even a normal DCC controller could fail so hope this helps 👍
I am loving TT, having fun, making the odd mistake and learning from it. It’s got me into the hobby after a huge gap and I don’t think 00 or N would have managed that.
My TT:120 wish list as follows:
1. Sound fitted, power bank fitted Class 08. I know there are some really clever DIY options out there, but I don’t think I’m capable of undertaking the modifications - I want to buy it off the shelf. And buying all the bits to do a DIY job isn’t cheap. Yes, I understand the production difficulties, and I’m happy to be patient. Well, a bit patient 😁.
2. Yes, a DMU.
Both the above I think are an opportunity. TT is all about making the most of small spaces, and I love it. I love seeing my 50 pulling a long rake of carriages, ditto my Duchess. But they look clumsy as soon as you put them on a smallish layout. Both a sound fitted 08 and a DMU would look great on a small layout and bring it alive.
3. And finally, mainly for selfish reasons, a class 31. I think Hornby are planning one, so yes please. Why? Because my first train set when I was a kid was a Triang Freight master with a class 31, and I want to re-kindle the joy that set gave me.
Thanks for the video!
@@mf303 Thank You! Your comment is full of what this hobby is all about too. Bringing forth Freedom, Joy and Happiness. In fact a good guide to life being, avoid anything that doesn’t 👍
Brilliant video!!! Need to watch it again to take it all in!!
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@@wamgoc Thank you and yes same here 😂
Watching TT:120 with interest, I think for me to make the leap a class 24/25 would be great, put alongside a dmu and an 08 all in BR blue and a great little layout idea could become reality.
Sometimes being out of the bubble, you can see things a lot clearer. For example, like cutting some footage out after a short break from editing as it was just too much. I love steam but, a Class 108 DMU with modern extras and detailing possibilities, whist holding the modelling limitations in mind, even in TT would certainly seem a sure hit to me 👍
Great ideas with TT120 there are so many options, love that mouth organ too.
@@aussietrails1884 Thanks 🙏 Being a Dylan/Lennon fan Harmonica is second nature I guess 👍
@@modeloco enjoy all your music adds to your videos besides being very informative.
Very kind of you to say so . It is fun trying out ideas and adding effects, etc. It’s part of the modelling now, I guess for me, like getting a camera up close in a scene or getting Simon K up on Simon’s Seat when my son and I went up there. That music always takes me back to childhood Sundays, laughing at 3 old pals free to live life simply with a childlike attitude and wonder, that somehow gets lost in serious adulthood, like lambs jumping and running before becoming sheep. No job, chasing bills, school or reason to conquer Everest, just having fun 🤩
Good on you Andy keep the ideas coming
@@ianhughes-zf1ll Thanks Ian, Every little helps 🥂
I very much welcome the magnetic couplers supplied with the new Mk2s in TT:120. I usually use ones from TJmodeles here in France. I have to say, I am a bit worried about the lifespan of the Hornby couplers - they seem a bit weak and I find you have to be careful not to accelerate a long train too quickly or you leave some of the coaches behind.
I too would welcome a six pin HM7000 sound decoder for my 08s. All of my other TT models are HM7000 sound decoder fitted. I realise there's more space needed on a Bluetooth decoder but I'm sure it could be done with a bit of ingenuity.
Nice round up!
@@Michaelgoestofrance Hi Michael, Thank you 🙏 interesting about the Hornby magnetic couplings and I’m only going on the OO offerings, I have at present, which are really good. They sometimes feel a little too powerful on both makes I’ve tried, if anything. My thinking is if they’re too strong it would pull the coupling right out. Has this happened at all with the ones you’ve tried?
Yes, need that 6-pin sound decoder option. I feel the TT community want sound more than the OO but, the top end sound locos always seem to sell best.
One more thing is that any ideas we think, even if they may seem a bit silly or whatever should be said as it’s often the things we say in passing that trigger another’s imagination and vice versa. Sometimes even the perceived negative comments or criticisms can spur you on more. Still feel sad that Simon Kohler, was kind of mysteriously, retired so soon after all the dedication he put into this scale and him reaching out so directly, to ourselves, the consumers was another fearless achievement he brought to the UK modeller. There aren’t many who give that, unfortunately, unless it’s sales related or they’re constantly buttered up a bit in my experience. In engineering they called it ‘…. licking’ and not many managers wanted those seemingly below their status, to find they were lacking in some way so, the yes men, rather than skill, innovation, etc got promoted instead to keep they’re position safe and that went up the ranks. I saw it as a young naïve apprentice, it looked as if it was encouraged. Ego and envy going hand in hand, yet the good only really want to help, it’s not about being right, it’s about doing the right thing and it’s stuck with me ever since👍 I’ve added this to my description. Thanks for the inspiration 🙏
Well there's loads of idea to take in there. Not so much food for thought, more a banquet. I'll have to run through this video again to take it all in. Thanks.
Thanks Mark, It didn’t appear that way initially but, there’s a lot in it I guess and one bit leads to another. Just let a few things I’d like to see and stuff others have said build up over a few weeks.
🤔 a nice two car DMU in BR green , or DP1 deltic,inTT:120
very nice
@@user-uz5nl7tq9z yes that’d do for me too 👍
I'm so with you on the need for a classic DMU in TT120. Thanks for an interesting video.
@@trevorbell3571 Thanks Trevor, From all angles it just seemed the natural choice to me 👍
@@modeloco agreed, so obvious it will happen. My guess is, Revolution will do it.
Hi… Great video, full of interesting and forward thinking ideas and suggestions.
Hornby in particular and other manufacturers would do well to take on board your suggestions.
I particularly like the destination board idea among others.
It would be fantastic if the likes of Accurascale got into TT scale. They are a progressive and innovative company and I believe could produce amazing detailed TT kit.
Imagine a tt DMU produced to the same standard as their 00 37 or 66.
Regards… Steve 👍👍👍
That’s great to hear this Steve. The Hornby bashing of products in OO, ones that I had and cherished and being told they were virtually rubbish as TT:120 hit the shelves, whilst in the next breath being told to go look at Accurascale, actually put me off even looking because I felt if such voices can be so biased one way, then of course, that can work both ways, maybe due to something lacking and this then having a reverse outcome with how I saw the positives pushed👍 Regards, Andy
My head is spinning. So many ideas. Wouldn’t pick a non-stream loco as the next TT120 but that’s just me
@damianinCanadaTT-OO I’m definitely a steam guy too Damian but… Guess it began with the lack of HM7000 sound options for smaller locos at present, the additional room for Power Banks, the lighting options, it being a complete train that doesn’t need turning and the fact Hornby stated the Class 43 had sold so well.
Another interesting video Andy, you still need to change the battery in that smoke alarm it’s chirping away, I had to check mine last time till I realised it was yours!
Looking at TT:120 some great ideas, a classic DMU is desperately needed, I’d be happy with any of the stalwarts for High Fell. Revolution Trains getting on board is super news, there are requests for them to consider making the 120 in TT but realistically if they said yes, it’s 2 years away. As a child every railway adventure started and ended with a rattling 101!
The magnetic close couplings in TT:120 from Hornby are great, we need packs of those available. If the could make them reversible that would be superb.
I have been having great fun adding lights to coaches, on with a tail light on a TT:120 brake van today, yes lights are good but also easy projects for the beginner modeller too.
Great news on TT:120 sales volumes was released yesterday, It’s big 😁 Keep up the varied content 👍
@@HighFell I did the smoke alarm yesterday 😂 . The Hornby couplings do work both ways 😙You’re lighting video was great but, the reed switches are expensive unless you know where I can buy in bulk say 20 plus 👍
@@modelocoyes, sorry they work but one direction the slight bend is more pronounced, think it just need a slight manufacturing tweak.
The latching reed switches are the costliest part sadly, not found a bulk lower priced option yet. I keep looking 😁
Have you tried the vacuum pipe ones in OO?
@@modeloco No, I sold off my OO models quite a while back now, most were pre NEM sockets. I know a lot of people really rate the Hornby coupling options other than tension lock ones. I do like the TT:120 standard ones, my magnetic uncoupling tool (video available) I think makes these really effective on shunting and marshalling operations. I tried some EasiShunts very early in TT and didn’t get along with them at all in Arnold Ferry Vans
Adding to this, there were two companies that made TT:120 type auto uncouplers (decoder driven) similar to ones Bachmann are announcing. The TT ones have disappeared but hopefully Bachmann will create interest via their OO ones, great idea.
There's the 101, which lasted from 1957 to 2003, and was over 500 sets.
@@little_britain Yes, do like these as well. In fact my blue/grey one shown is actually a 101 but, no head code numbering and really do like to see this, even though on my Bachmann it isn’t illuminated, hence my choosing the 108 👍
@@modeloco I enjoy making modifications to older models to add these features myself (although a fine enough LCD would be tricky to execute - I could probably do a fixed illuminated headcode).
I would like to see Hornby do a 9f based on the lickey banker that has the big light on the front they have the new 9f tooling and I think quite a few modellers would welcome this model who model the 1950s
Yes, a bigger locomotive too so plenty of room for the bits inside and that light as you mention 👍
Hi Simon. I've tried looking for the "Sample Train Diagrams" on the Revolution website. Can you reply with a link, or have the diagrams been removed?
revolutiontrains.com/jna-mma-ealnos-bogie-box-aggregate-wagons/
Scroll down on the page of the above link, Regards, Andy.
@@modeloco Simon? What a numpty! Andy, thanks so much for the link - perfect!
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo No Problem Neil 🤣 lol 👍
Big issue you have missed is A3, A3 with only 2 beats of cylinder to the wheel revolution. This kills my wonderful TT120 locs in my view. As for new locomotives, an Austerity 2-8-0 would go nicely with the BR ER locomotives issued or planned. Yes certainly fitted ‘stay alive’ and sound options across the board, if N can have sound decoders in smallish diesels TT120 should be a no brainier with both. Your points re programmable destination boards for demure are well made, yes additional costs bur great idea that has not been looked at even in G where it should be simple on the LGB Allegra for instance.
@@dunnyraildunnybahn5481 Thanks for the additional input, thoughts and embellished ideas.
Interesting, regarding A3 and wasn’t aware it was really that bad. It’s something I understand but, haven’t really studied this. How many should it have, am presuming a crisp 4 if based on a well maintained locomotive and possibly why something does register in my head somewhere when watching, just haven’t made the logical connection? 👍
@@modeloco should be a slightly off beat 6 to each wheel revolution as there were 3 cylinders. Try to look at a Flying Scotsman or A4 video starting off where you can see the wheels and count the chuffs.
@@dunnyraildunnybahn5481 very much appreciated. I’m wondering on models that most people run faster than scale speeds do you think, that this many chuffs per revolution would soon sound like a constant and continuous noise ?
I wish this scale would have came out ten years ago when I had a shop but the grief I got from hornby at the time eventually led to me giving up so my big question is like play trains when will hornby pull the rug away leaving revolution etc out on a limb? on the plus side hm7000 tt120 all brilliant please keep it all going
@@williamwaddell-r4s Thank you 🙏 I too once tried to get a shop going over a decade back and the Hornby rep actually came out to see me and said, I wouldn’t bother if I were you. Sometimes if things ain’t meant to be then let em go. At least it’s what cheers me when feeling disappointed 😂
Andy I still love railways I worked for over 30 years in the railway and ploughed a large lump of my pension into the shop upside is I have some brilliant contacts and friends through it and am still engaged in the background encouraging newcomers I have chipped over 500 sound locos even split chassis types but the tech we have now would have helped then but I could see the ideas I have run the gaugemaster prodigy from day 1 and have sold roco z21 all innovations for the time sadly I'm a bit older now still playing with trains and my mojo takes a bit to get going but love you videos
@williamwaddell-r4s That sounds great and great to hear this as well. I nearly got a Z21 5 years back but, went Digitrax in the end and have Hornby Elite, HMDCC of course too 👍
@modeloco hi Andy my first dcc was a bachmann system with a cl25 still used to this day! the hornby system always gave problems by confusing chips ,it was not fully nrma compatible, I remember an argument bt another supplier of chip's saying Roco had it all wrong! hello these guys set the original parameters guess who had got it wrong,not Roco! I wanted to run a glasgow/Edinburgh push pull train it took about 10 years of experience to achieve this I now double head or top and tail with a non powered loco at one end low tech sometimes wins! the crucial factors are no such thing as a model railway they are all just wee trains they respond to the same dynamics you must have proper back to backs and wheel profiles proper pickups and weight distribution on a loco and good compatible couplings for instance I had a Heljan garret running at its full speed with plus 60 mineral wagons weighted heavy to light to the back now after a few laps the thoughts moved to how the fuck do we stop this in on piece! thanks for listening
Re: HM7000 decoders 50% cheaper. TXS decoders can play only 3 sounds (automatic/triggered) at any one time. Zimo & ESU offer up to 8 seperate sounds being played. Also, you have the option of sound files from DCKits, Roads & Rails, Yoochoos and other sound creators. With the HM7000 you are totally tied to the Hornby ones. The only other sound decoders with Bluetooth at this time are Soundtraxx Blunami.
Good points but with the hm7000 legacy dongle you can control other decoders on the hm7000 app
Andy has reviewed it. Works well for me too
@@timharrison2894 Fair comment. But as I stated 3 sounds compared to up to 8, plus the freedom to choose your sound file makes the extra cost worthwhile I feel.
@@BoaFilmsPlcfor sure mate. Hm7000 is not going to go head to toe with the best options out there, for club and exhibition layouts. It's about low costs and convenience for dabblers like me
Hello, The simple HM|DCC, from within the app, downloadable/re-programmable sound decoders which are being updated as we go along is also a great plus point here for HM7000. We can also hear and sample these and if we don’t like, possibly change. Not all sound files are as well recorded/compressed as others so, needing bigger speakers. You have to know this and not knowing, can be quite confusing to many as well and, be an expensive learning curve. I certainly used to think all ESU sound decoders had the same sound files on them, regardless of where you purchased 🤔. Do also like the simple volume sliders, etc in the HM|DCC app to set these and the CV read outs, easily seen and adjusted if needs be as well. This came in to full effect adjusting the smoke generator CV Setting within mins. Thanks for the thoughts and feelings. Good to hear👍
The Dongle is definitely a great and inexpensive way to get app control for non Bluetooth DCC fitted locos 👍
Pulman coaches do flickef though
@@madhatter61 My OO ones do but, not my TT ones as yet. Do yours in TT:120?
108 DMU for me
@@StevenTT120Layout I do hope so 🙏
Some great ideas and thoughts, but, it's all about the money, and Hornby hasn't got any....
This is the big flaw with our most successful invention, 💰. Have been racking my engineering mind as to what could replace it for quite a few years. I know the answer is always simple and it may not be the of lack money at fault but, the amount of debt it creates to borrow 😢