Wtf has been going on! This is the crazy part. All these Cry about men feeling videos. I thought they beat their chest Swallow a can of beer, pick up a Stripper and Their all good! What happened??
Too right. My wife asked about my military service, and I was stupid enough to tell her. I scared her. I haven't been through much of anything in my military career, no combat, nothing of note.
@@SirTimidFlash Ahh, well, _now_ it makes sense. Anything to drag the spotlight off men's problems. For example, International Men's Day (November 19th for the curious) is the same as World Toilet Day. Seems inadvertently appropriate to me, considering they both take sh!t from a$$holes all day long and are only ever noticed when they stop working. 😁
@@user-ml6po2wi8b There's video of it on UA-cam. Its horrible, just masses of screaming "feminist" protesters yelling things at the men trying to attend and blocking them from entry. Police and university staff didn't help the attendees either.
Please don't be so dishonest. Men are the ones that sabotage ans actively subvert and resist mental health and mental health movements for men. There's literally an entire counter movement that's literally preaching men to be even more stoic and even more masculine and it's POPULAR. Please don't be so dishonest.
in many jobs that men have, if you give a hint that you are feeling the need for therapy for stress or whatever, you are watched; if you admit to needing therapy, you may be put on paid or unpaid leave pending an investigation where the ultimate goal is to terminate the employment. This is especially true for jobs such as commercial pilots.
There is a domestic violence shelter in my town that was called a Woman's Shelter for a long time. It was forced to change its name to Domestic Violence Shelter after they were informed they legally couldn't discriminate against men. The forced change came about because a man came to the shelter seeking help, they turned him away so he found a friend to crash on their sofa for a while. The woman he was trying to get away from found out his location, broke in one night and stabbed both him AND the friend he was staying with to death. That shelter was still called a Domestic Violence Shelter, and still claimed to take in men and women until last year when it was discovered they STILL refused to take in men because "the male victims were a danger to the female victims" and "if we allow men in, women won't come" so they found excuses to not accept men. The shelter was forced to close and sell off it's property, so now nobody gets to benefit - and an article written by a woman after the closure placed the entire blame on those male victims of abuse. Even when men TRY to get help for issues, of many kinds, we just get accused of taking focus and rights and benefits away form women and our issues are still not taken seriously.
There was a church here that ran a thing to help men support each other. Women took to showing up to the gatherings, filming the men going in, and saying things like, "If this was my man, I'd leave him." And "They ought to be ashamed of themselves." And "Men can have their support group when they solve male privilege."
@@tad4364 We both know damn well it’s not the norm. That’d be like me implying that girls are okay with rape just because a lot of them joke about it online.
@@EXP_Jenovaactually it is quite the norm you talk about trying to get help guarantee you 8 out of 10 men will clown your ass and 9 out of 10 women will definitely drag you over it
@@demnbrown Men have the highest suicide rate by a massive margin. The amount of men making fun of help resources are literally a minority. Statistically speaking.
Keep waiting then. Almost all fields are male dominated. If you want male mental health to be taken more seriously reach out to your male counterparts and make it happen. Y'all hold yourselves back and then blame women when you're at the top of the social food chain. Quit acting like a pussy
@@shelbyb9965 Women have so much support available in the west that its not even funny anymore. Men... Not so much. If you dont believe me, google what happened to the dude who founded a mens shelter like a decade ago or so, feminists are fucking vicious.
7 years in the British army, 2 tours of Afghanistan. When I sought out help from said groups, they didn't help me. Yet, every week, they seek donations. For 2 years, I was in a spiral between being homeless and abusing alcohol. I dug myself out of the hole, and along the way, I'm ashamed to admit I tried multiple attempts on my own life, which landed me in psychiatric units. The expression "I'm fine" is saying we are just that because reality is the majority do not give a toss about us. We take it on the chin and keep going. I know you are on your knees, brother, and you want to give up, but there is still fight in you. I genuinely believe this. So get the fuck up and keep fighting. Do not give in to those thoughts or feelings. You are stronger than you realize, and people do care about you.
I'm about a month late but congrats on digging yourself out of that hole brother! I'm not a Vet but I had my son @ 16 years old. Despite trying my best I fell into the rabbit hole alot of young men especially young fathers do where your primal instinct of protect and provide is unacknowledged and often vilified. I felt like the most unappreciated person on the planet but kept trucking through it. I couldn't mention it without it being "wrong" or taken in a completely different context. I abused opioids from about 17-20 years old, but several years after being clean I finally went off the rails and started drinking. I don't know how I didn't die, I drank so much. I was incarcerated multiple times, I was becoming violent and unhinged and in the middle of it I tried to get help and the female doctor wouldn't even help me unless I went into an in patient rehab because I was on Suboxone still. It continued and I dug myself deeper into the pit. I was basically so done I was going to drink myself to death, and at one point in a regional jail I remember blowing a 5.0 Despite not drinking in almost 24 hours. I finally got myself right and started to dig myself out, and took the time to really evaluate who I was. It's been a struggle since, COVID really set me back financially after just getting on my own two feet. But having climb out of that pit, I won't allow myself to fall down again. Getting my ADHD diagnosed helped tremendously and I learned so much about myself. I've got mad love for anyone who can beat the hold drink gets on you. I've done a lot of substances due to my impulsiveness but nothing ever fucked up my life like booze. Stay strong my man, the only people who criticize now clearly aren't worth proving anything to because the ones who pay attention see the changes. Keep rocking brother!
She also had the audacity to say "do something about it" I've yet to see any feminist DO anything except scream and cry on the internet or in the street while waiting for a man to DO something about it FOR her.
She really isn't. Men hurt each other more than anything. Men on men violence is the most common form of violence out there. The point is that a lot of men talk about their mental health yet actively put the people who are seeking help down. Many reported cases of men shaming other men for therapy and whatnot. School instances of kids being bullied for expression of their emotions by other men. The issue men have thigh with women is because they are single and have bad "romantic" experiences with them for them opening up. A woman rejecting you, in my humble opinion, is not going to make mens mental health worse, but another man shaming you is. Men weaponize these things more
She's right. If only there was a designated day to help spread awareness of men's mental health issues. A day where men would not be chastised for struggling to ask for help in a culture that expects them to respect the vulnerabilities everything and everyone but themselves. If only...
I mean that's a terrible way to start a movement if people were just gonna allow you to start a movement you wouldn't need a movement in the first place
get therapy stop trying to play victim women dont wanna hear it cause we dont know u dont care and our issues are way worse and yall the same guys that harass us and undermine our issues we havent been taken seriously throughout all of history and today shockingly so its a no brainer we dont wanna hear the men complain about the problems that men created yall can talk to people yk about it instead of crying on the internet everyday its really not that serious for yall so just get ur shit together and educate urself about real world issues cause these trivial shit yall be complaining about is like a broken record saying the same lame shit thats just problems yall create then blame women for we dont wanna hear it instead yall should be spreading awareness like the sound of freedom but yall only wanna feel sorry for urselves instead of looking at whats outside stop sulking about ur sad life and worry about the real shit cause the real shit is gonna hit u like a brick and ur gonna feel stupid doing what u been doing spending all ur time sulking
My kid’s therapist encouraged me to find a group for parents of kids struggling with trauma issues (her mom died). I show up, and am the only man there. I played it cool, and was only hoping there might be another male there, but no. The ladies got together, talked it over, and told me to leave. They weren’t comfortable talking about their daughter’s in front of me. I explained that I too have a daughter who is struggling. They told me to find a men’s group. I said, “but this isn’t a woman’s group.” I left as I wasn’t welcome. BTW, there are no men’s groups in our community that don’t involve licensed therapists and security, as these men are also on parole. So yeah, when we look for help, our options are limited. Do it right now. Search for local groups supporting mental health, and tell me if there are any men’s groups. I live in an area of 10 million.
"they got together and talked it over" - so none of them actually had the decency to tell you her personal reasons for why you shouldn't be there as you were trying to do something to help your daughter. How compassionate. As a woman I'm ashamed of this heartless behaviour towards men. You seem like a good father to your daughter. I hope you guys get through this difficult situation as well as can reasonably be expected in the circumstances.
Why did you leave? You should have stood up for your daughter. If I was in your shoes, there's nothing those women could have done to remove me. Guilting me to leave would have made me stand stronger for my daughter. Would they have willingly left if told they couldn't participate in a support group for boys? Women always force their way into groups where women are not present. This is why there are no spaces for men left in the US.
@osmangarrett560 i cant speak on this subject specifically. But i do remember 3 separate instances of feminists gettings mens shelters shut down for "discrimination". So it wouldnt be the first time something like that happened.
+ International Men's Day - November 19th - Unlike International Women's Day, International Men's Day is not officially recognised by the United Nations. + World Toilet Day - November 19th - The UN General Assembly declared World Toilet Day an official UN day in 2013. - The UN WTD 2019 campaign: Leaving no one behind... ...ensure "everyone has access to sustainable sanitation services by 2030, paying special attention to the needs of *women and girls* and those in vulnerable situations". There is a concerted effort to emasculate men in the western world, this is but one facet of it. Stay vigilant brothers.
I ended up having to use my male nature to look for ways to help me cope. I went and found a counsellor, after years of coping, some successful, some unsuccessful. What i found helpful was writing and research on certain topics that were ailments. Easy to fix with knowledge at hand, but monumental to overcome without the understanding. Now out of my 20s, with that being a rough decade, full of mental health issues. I can finally say i am mentally in a much better place, but i only just got here. This past winter was the first winter ive gotten through without the entire world feeling like it is crumbling around me. I still had help and support, and still things werent always going right or i was putting myself in bad situations. I just have a stronger mindset and take a step back and focus on my situation and how to improve it, instead of wallowing in my emotions. I didnt know how to do that previously, i only just figured that part out. Granted, i also have nothing to do with women, in the workplace, at home, and mostly stay away from those interactions online. I only had to go on a journey, 8 years, to be mentally healthier. I just had to cut out every person in my life and be the only person in my life. I can tell you that is a very radical decision, and that i dont usually recommend, but i gave myself to everyone and no one returned anything back. I am just an expendable to everyone else. I am not expendable to myself, although i used to think that. Funny how i had to adapt the mindset that at the end of the day, all i have is myself.
women: "I feel terrible! I have so much depression! It's so hard to be a woman! " Men: "Let us help these women feel better." Men: "I feel depression and like nobody is listening to me." Women: "Shut up and admit you are the problem!"
@@Divinelydestiny thanks for the sympathy. I have indeed run into several kind, empathetic women, like the one I've been married to for the last seven years! Unfortunately, before that, I experienced sexual abuse by girls as a teenager, and suffer actual ptsd and depression because of it, (and not the fun kind of depression). I cannot get therapy on the NHS in Britain because my abuse was not by a family member. the one website for male abuse survivors, which I've been a member of for fifteen years, recently banned me for so called: "misogyny!" Even though I was just generally venting about the triggering levels of misandry. I don't say any of this as a plea for sympathy; though it's appreciated, or because it's cool, just to point out that yes, there bloody well is! a bias here, and it dam well isn't because of any "patriarchy!" I am well aware it's not "all women", though unfortunately, since women are in control of the cultural narrative, and men literally have no voice for expressing male concerns, it's actually up to those sane women to point this out. Thanks again.
@@Divinelydestiny we don't need compassion or empathy, the opportunity to be useful, competent and strong might help though. Not being disregarded and taken for granted really helps, or told that it is toxic to be a man.
My favorite part of this real is that she wants to define what immense mental health day should look like and how we're supposed to behave and what our mental health is supposed to be.
Feminist groups have also done extensive work to shutdown any event/social gathering/psa/etc. centered around men's mental health and awareness. We DO try to speak up, express our needs, and seek help... but we're lucky if we see any progress because of the uphill battle we as a group are forced to fight. Not to mention that any progress made constantly circles back to "but what about women?" instead of appreciating that multiple groups can have separate problems.
Men used to have places where they could meet and talk and be in the company of men. But the feminist movement has shut down all the mens clubs, because it was unfair that they were excluded. Hell even the Boy Scouts isn't about boys anymore
The reason why. If we talk about men's mental health in the suicide rate it would have to come down to men being assaulted and screwed with. I mean Young Mills growing up confused told that they're bad and masculinity is toxic and all that. That's the reason why they attack men's mental health. Because it would have to come down to that men are being targeted.
I love the way she talks about a men's movement without the "toxic masculinity" without the "Being a man" part. Roast culture? Guys don't roast serious effort. We laughed at femini$ts telling us what's wrong with us. Thier pathetic put downs & condescension are the only roasting I've seen. Hardly surprising really, the Fem!nist movement has a dedication in thier Charter, "We will use our sisters to destroy family & men through P0rn, Pr0stitution, Divor¢e & Promis¢unity" 4 very clear attack vectors. Which explains OF, honourable"Sex workers", hookup culture & sexual freedom. Worse a Divor¢e €ourt system that destroys both men & the family. The Family €ourt system that encourages single motherhood & simultaneously Rogers men. Feminism courses in Colleges designed to make women unmarriable and impossible to live with. Why destroy the Traditional Family? Both the Feminin!sts & Thier friends the Mar×ists, hate the family as an impediment to social changes&as a tool for female oppression. Our current Social issues aren't an accident. It has been a long carefully driven plan since the 70's. The spin offs from the Fem!nist movement such as the Green movement, the Gay movement, the Trans movement, Veganism, Climate change, BLM. All are part of the plan. Men got played. ☹️🇦🇺
@@nintendoswitchbrit4201 I might be thinking about the man who tried opening a battered men's shelter. They ruined him financially, socially, and finally they hounded him until he took his own life.
There are a lot of people who say they want "equality" But the moment that we try to address issues that men have, like mental health, it's pushed down to the ground while every other group is prioritized. It sucks. I tried to address men who go through SA once, because I went through that, and the person I was talking to literally said that "men being abused don't matter as much as women"
She literally explained why no men get behind the movement . We would be perceived as weak and made fun of . We are raised to be strong and not be emotional at all.
I called my mom this one time just to talk, and it wasn't even about anything crazy. Just things were rough and I just wanted to talk to someone that I thought cared about me. Her response was "um...okay. Not sure why you called 'me.' So... I'm going to let you go. Good luck with that." Direct quote. When a guy can't even talk to his own mom, you know no one gives a crap about you
I'm sorry that happened. I wish she had been better, and I hope she apologizes to you. I hope you have a nice day or soon to have a nice day or night. Whichever one. You aren't alone 💛 We hear you
Sounds a lot like my mom. I'm basically a therapist to my gf, however if something bothers me she is the only person who doesn't weaponize what I say. I'll admit I'm used to keeping everything in and it's hard for me to open up bc every other woman I've dated has weaponized my feelings b4
At least your mother listened to you... like im sorry that happened bro but also i feel how you do. My mom never acknowledged that i was suffering with su*sidal thoughts (gruesome ones i might add...) and major depression because school was a living hell.. i got bullied every day because i was different and overweight... ive tried offing myself 5 times now and i am no better today than i was back then.. the only thing thats changed is that i hide it better. The only person i can truly be myself around is my dad and he may only have a few years left to live if he isnt careful.. it hurts hiding these feelings from him but he has enough on his own plate so i dont talk to him about it.. there are many things i could go into about what happened back in school but i dont want to as its too painful to bring up.. But.. if you ever need someone to listen to your struggles.. im here my guy. Just remember that..
Im guessing its the same event that feminist woman was screaming in a mans face that had went there to listen after one of his close friend killed himself. I have never forgotten the pain in that guys face as some nasty girl was giving him hell when he was already dealing with immense grief all because the feminist didnt like the opinion of one of the speakers.
@@Etrius_Fysik Found it on youtube by looking up "mens mental health seminar university of toronto feminist protest" and found a bunch of videos. I don't think I can put links in comments (youtube doesn't always allow it) but the name of the video I watched was called "feminist protests at an event about mens mental health,they didn't like the speaker." Hope this helps!
first of all a good roast session between the bois is how you know your still good, if you dont feel comfortable talking mad shit to your homie shit aint it
Fellow men. Don’t be so open with your emotions with these women who don’t give a damn. Instead find brothers that you trust and can confide in. If you can’t find someone who will listen then be that man other men can be honest with. Be a real homie
This is sad just because we are in general physicaly stronger doesn't mean men have no problems sometimes i think we are still living in middle ages but a modern version of it 🤔
@@Archiver_Studio very correct what you are saying and the worst part of it is that women find this attractive (there are many exeptions but still many)
@@didierbaudot They don't find it attractive, well not all of them, they find it hilarious and weaponise it Many types of toxic women have this trait It is a miracle that this is only a certain section of women that act this way
Issue here is she's assuming that one side offering their idea of a solution without listening to the issues presented by the other is okay, as though she has the empirical and proven best method to proceed. In any other context that would be considered robbing someone of their voice.
I love how women complain how bad they have it. Untill they get a taste of what it's like to be a man they will realize how much better they have it as a woman.
@@ryanmigliori660reminds me of that lesbian some years back that pretended to be a man, to see if men had it easier like is what is pushed, and ended up killing herself because of how she was treated while she pretended to be a man.
@@Jashuatadglock95 there are toxic ways of expressing masculinity (see scumbags like Andrew Tate) but yeah, masculinity is not inherently toxic. The same can also be said of femininity too though.
It’s not the fact that we can’t have the ladies stay home with the babies cuz the moneys just not there even at like $70K+, it’s not because of life stress, it’s not because of any other number of factors aside from toxic masculinity(also hate that my iPhone recommended the next word after toxic to be masculinity)
@@BeamBooms yes that is correct. I commented on what I heard in the video. Honestly as a guy I didn't even know they had a day let alone a month. Just figured in today's hate mongering of males that they decided to give us one day.
Was going through and am still going through some annoying shit with my old boss where he didn’t pay me for like a months worth of work or something like that while telling me for a month and a half he’ll pay me and need me back in work so I naive as I am believed it didn’t look for a new job just waited really put me in a rut close to the start of it a girl I was talking to and felt comfortable talking to and venting to decided to just tell me something to the extent of “I’m tired of your problems you’re almost the perfect guy but you bitch too much just suck it up other people have it worse” it’s great being a man :D
Every time men try to talk about their issues women attack them mercilessly Edit: half the replies to this are women attacking me. So thanks for proving my point ladies
Yep. Pretty sure it's from guys opening up to a woman in a vulnerable state and her either destroying his trust there immediately or bringing it up later to score points in an argument.
@@saureco ya made that mistake a day ago. I was being dumb and opened up about my personal feelings and how empty I feel most the time and she turned around and basically said that that when my mental health turns for the worse she won’t be there for me unless I become suicidal. Damn that shit hurt man. I knew I fucked up the moment I opened my mouth
The oddest thing about that woman’s video, and I’ve seen others like it, is that they laugh about men’s mental health day then criticize men for not building a mental health movement. But having a men’s mental health day is literally part of building that. Then again, then she goes on to list her beefs with men. I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women.
"I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women." That's exactly right. It's like the Million Man March in the 90s, in which men came together to talk about how to be better men. Women were upset that they weren't in charge of deciding how men should be better men. The woman in this video even demonstrated that "men's health" should be in accordance of what she thought masculinity ought to be.
@@rdkirk3834 I seen a youtube person say most men are NPCs and say men that then talk back to that online are not "real men" is clear as day they want slaves
Completely, the solution to men's mental health is to turn them into women and see all their problems like a third wave feminist. Neuter the men and their problems will go away. Doesn't work that way. Not that she's unique, it's hard to understand something so outside your experience. But when you are so sure that just accepting "men" can never be a man and are the source of all evil when they are less female in their mental patterns.
@saltrush3448 they aren't. Men have been listening to women saying we need to be more open about our feelings, and it gets used against us every time. Men aren't the ones stopping men from expressing themselves.
It’s because I don’t want to open up, it makes me feel weak, it makes me feel desperate, I can make it through this, and if not then I won’t be bother to people anymore.
Classic example of a woman thinking that men are suffering in the same way she does, and then assuming that the suffering of men is solved in the safe way it is for women.
@@AlexCuzacatcalling is mainly old gross men catcalling literal teenagers. So. No... women aren't going to do that. And if they do, it will be gross old women you have no interest in.
I love how people say go do this, stand up etc but they are the same people that silence us. It's not toxic to try and be strong we just want someone to listen.
I don't think you understand what toxic masculinity means, it is a group of parts of masculinity that are toxic. Like claiming that "men don't need a mental health day, just man up!" That's the toxic part
Don’t forget the few times we actually do try and focus on mental health we get ridiculed and hated by individuals because “It’s not that big of a deal. Just toughen up”
Best response was: "There are people, who have it worse." Great. Now i feel better, by knowing others suffer.... Man, i tell you. Can't wait to see how it all ends
Apparently from another comment in Canada a man who's friend committed suicide and went to a men's mental health group was yelled at by feminist "you are scum". Another dude was told to leave a group for parents whose child lost a parent because he was a man and they didn't feel comfortable sharing about their daughters with him and to "find a group for men" (this group wasn't labeled a womens only group btw) only problem that there isn't one except the ones that have therapists and guards because they're for felons on parole
I posted about how broken my oldest son was after we came back from Ukraine. And how seeing him struggle with it was what fucked me up about it. I was a Ranger for 16 years before I remarried a Canadian girl and moved to serve 6 years with 3RCR. He wanted to go prove what a man he was to himself. So I got my old battle buddies who wanted to go together to keep him alive and we went off. Police kicked in my door, cuffed me, stuffed me in the back of a cruiser. Because a grown woman I went to school with was afraid I was a danger to the community. Didn't charge me with nothing just detained me for 72 hours. Police Depts. legal team has spent the past 6 month trying to bury our lawsuit under meaningless paper work which if we don't fill out the court will just toss the whole case: Where were you on feb 30th 2007." Giving you mom a ride on the baloney pony, what about your question is relevant to the case.
Men's mental health suffers for the exact reasons that people label masculinity as toxic, don't understand roasting is a bonding mechanism and that we just want to be allowed to be men.
@@wt7553many feminists label what they don’t like about men as toxic despite many of those things not being toxic. It became a blanket term like many of the people who yes racism, woke, and sexism now.
We don’t wait we go through the pain, I’m only 11 years old and I have trauma and depression and I might end it soon but I still went through that pain for years
@dhans9662 and then the movement gets told its wrong because the issues the men say they're having aren't the ones that we should be focusing on because we should be focusing on our issues that affect women, not the issues that affect us
I had an ex that said "men's self deletion rate is because they refuse to talk about their problems" I dared her to make a male social media account and try and post something about it. Watch how many women tear you down for absolutely no reason
Masculinity is not toxic. Men are not toxic. We all, especially the nice guys, get painted with the same brush for the misdeeds of a tiny amount of predators & punished collectively in the most draconian ways possible. Speaking for many men to whomever may agree with that clip "I apologize for being born.".
@bastiat4855 umm no I wouldn’t. It’s called sharing all of you are together. He should give all of him and she should give all of her to their significant other
@@peach1503a man can never open up fully to a woman. A majority of women will weaponize feelings and issues. Some go to their friends to have a laugh. Others just ridicule the man and use it against him when it can benefit her. This is how modern women operate. This is what we men always must be aware of.
@@MudaMudaYaMutha fact. Few men talk about being able to share everything with a woman without it having negative repercussions. Most men having tried, can tell stories about negative repercussions.
Here is the thing. Guys enjoy the fact that we can deal with stuff. It isn’t healthy but we do it. For example if I was still able to function all day with only one meal, it means that I am tough. Even though I have access to three meals, I still like to know I can survive on one meal. I know I can survive without crying and so I don’t cry, even though it isn’t healthy.
The only real support I've gotten in my life is from my bros. Not a SINGLE woman friend wants to be supportive when anyone in my groups needed it. I'll tell you what, nothing felt better than my bro turning to me at a restaurant and saying (paraphrased) "we need to talk about you. You've been stressed and its really starting to show, please talk to us about it" I fucking cried, and still tear up, because damn I've never even had a girlfriend care that much... fuck man
Been through similar, it wasn't, and still isn't easy. I was drinking heavily to numb myself to it. Been sober for almost 8 months now, and a lot of it was because I reconnected with a bunch of the guys I used to hang out with. They get me. When I'm stressed, I can vent freely, on my own terms. Otherwise we just do dumb guy shit and have a good time when we hang.
@timtheconjurer I'm happy you've found an outlet every needs one no matter what other douchebags might say, you matter and the world is a better place with you in it
Earl Silvermann, look up this guy. He was a domestic abuse survivor in Canada and founded Men's Alternative Safe House. The first privately owned shelter of its kind in Canada. What happened to him? Well, after years of ridicule and going bankrupt (thus being forced to sell the shelter he dedicated his life to), he ended his life in 2013. In his will, he wanted any money from his estate to an Educational Scholarship for male victims of abuse perpetrated by female abusers. This was done through Mount Royal University Foundation.
It certainly can be, mainly if used in a more strictly conservative way where men have to be aggressive, uncaring, unemotional, you can't cry, you gotta be tough, compassion/empathy isn't allowed, restricted in how you can express yourself because any other way is considered unmanly, etc...
Stoicism is where it's at. Certainly going out and puffing up your chest to attract whores and put down other men is toxic. But those 'alphas' usually suffer for their pointless toil. Naw the solution is independence from women and alpha men. Be a sigma. Detach and enjoy...
I'm just going to agree that masculinity isn't toxic. The term toxic masculinity is used to undermine actual male masculinity. Unless men are acting in more feminine ways, they are considered toxic now.
I was once asked by my lovely lady why I didn't talk about my problems. I explained talking about my issues has never helped and in many cases just gave ammunition to people who didn't want the best for me. She figured out pretty quickly and before even I knew how to help myself that when I am having a bad time, all she needs to do is acknowledge I'm trying and take some of the daily burden from my shoulders. Truly blessed to have someone like this in my life and I don't know how people survive without that kind of support. If you're struggling out here feeling alone, find someone in your life who acknowledges your battle and keep on fighting warriors. You've got this.
I was a from a rocky upbringing and just got to work to build my life. First few GF's I had were so into the Oprah approach of talk, talk, talk rather than recognize I needed a certain amount of a solid platform to stand on, when most of them had solid upbringings and enjoyed a bit of chaos as freedom when they always had parents to back fall on.
We look inward or we find something physical to vent. Im naturally stoic but i am also sensitive and a musician and this is the way for me. Writing and music, reading also helps lads. I got your back, i am uncommon because i know everything else is
Honestly, the first girl is right. We as men are our own worst enemy in this fight. I have consistently seen those of us who want to break the cycle of toxicity being insulted and mocked for daring to not conform to a strict ideal of "manliness". We need to be better if we want to create a better world.
It's not easy to guys to open up about such things coz there's a high chance we'll be seen as weak, or simply just ignored or joked at. Everyone keeps talking about mental health but when a guy expresses concerns about themselves no one really cares. I personally tried asking for helo once but nothing worked out and everyone assumed that I was ok now and simply forgot about it. I felt guilty about having mental issues, as if I was bothering them by speaking to them about this. Point taken, now I never talk about my mental health with anyone, which made things worse as now I feel like I can't trust anyone.
Gotta love how her choice of "men's mental health movements" are the movements that tell men how horrible they are and teach them to hate themselves. So healthy.
As a therapist, men's issues are simple. We have no idea what our roll in society and the family are. We have no feeling of value. We need to feel competent in our community.
We try not to realise that there's a men's health day cause we don't wanna know that we need it. Cause me and my bro's be out there making earth survive. We built this shit , if we weren't here in the 1st place , a pack of hyenas gon take you out. All men for men reply with a bro👊
What we're waiting for is to not be mocked by EVERYONE when we come out and ask for help. We aren't just mocked by men, we're mocked by women as well. Also I don't think I've actually ever seen a man mock another man for needing actual mental health help
Yeah, an ACTUAL good man with good values….like..we may joke around with each other and take the piss out of each other and roast each other and stuff, but we know when to take shit seriously, cause we care about our friends and those around us
Nor have I in fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. I went through a particularly bad break up years ago which came at a time when I was at my lowest in life (nothing was going right personally or professionally) and I suddenly had a nervous breakdown in front of one of my friends who was your stereotypical alpha who seemingly never let anything bother him and was considered the tough guy of the group. We weren't the closest of friends when it came to our circle but, when my breakdown happened, I was at the point of ending it all and the first thing he did was hug me and get emotional telling me I was going to be okay and to not give up. After that he regularly checked in on me and made sure to always invite me out to parties that he was going to away from our friend group. We ended up being closer than we were with anyone else in the group to the point that I'm now his sons Godfather. Dude fucking saved me.
Anytime Men start a movement of any kind. There will always be a bunch of women trying to destroy it. Also: There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There definitely is such a thing as toxic presentation of traditionally masculine traits that "toxic masculinity" would normally be an acceptable shorthand for. Ironically, this behavior is often caused or exacerbated by the lack of access to, or willingness to seek because of the stigma associated with it, mental health care. Lack of good father figure role models for many boys growing up doesn't help the matter either. Lack of any father figure role models is bad enough, but worse are the "father" figures which do present many of these traits in a toxic manner(well, except as negative examples if the women in the boy's life are well above average in ability to communicate these kinds of things to the boys in question, which does happen sometimes). Though obviously there will always be jerks despite how they were raised and how much mental health they have access to. Unfortunately, the term "toxic masculinity" has been almost completely shifted to mean "any traditionally masculine trait I want to complain about today regardless of how it presents" by certain feminist groups and their allies in the media and tech world. This makes using it in a more logical way, such as I described above, less than ideal.
@@Warmaster_7 lol Her BS rant was a waste of time and energy because any example she may try to rationalize into some kind of masculinity being toxic could just be described as bad behavior period. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity, just bad behavior. I'm about done with these nonsense new modern narratives women try to throw around these days. It's ridiculous.
“Why are you sitting around and being depressed about your mental health? It’s almost like your mental health is so bad you don’t think you deserve it!”
@Stefano.Rocca00 uh, the idea that we are waiting for a movement is pretty wrong and stupid. Your just hating cause that's all your capable of. What's she doing to make anything better? Bringing down others. It's not a 0 sum game. Your happiness doesn't require me to be in misery. And if it does, well don't cry when that gets flipped back on you. Which I personally hate. Vengeance isn't justice, but then suffering seems to be the only way we build empathy unfortunately.
@@Celestial_Reach no she literally just said that for mental health to be effective us men just need to stop with being toxic to one another and don't push eachother down. You are putting words in my mouth I've never said, or jumping to conclusions that have nothing to do with what was said. If you listen to the original video, it just sums up to the fact that us men need to create for ourselves a better environment and to encourage us selves to go to therapy and be aware of mental health problems and simply not waiting idly by while judging other people for their mental conditions or feelings
Depends on your definition of a mental health day. That's what I've always called a day I take off work just because. No health issues other than I need a day to not be at work. lol
This lady has a point, there is a vocal group of men who would sh!t on any form of self help or group help. I think these would be the same type who would sh!t on AA meetings and it’s members for not able to handle their alcohol if this was the time when AA was created
Her: Guys should create a men's mental health awareness movement. Also her: Guys shouldn't create a men's mental health awareness day as part of that movement.
As a man, if I had a mental health day... it would be a day where I could be alone and not hear people like this lady telling me how to live, what to think, and how I should feel.
I think some of the best advice my dad gave me as a kid was "Outside of your family, and sometimes not even then, nobody gives a fuck about your feelings." Men have to stop sugarcoating the world for women. We are failing them by doing so.
My dad gave me the exact same advice and even threw in that sometimes even him and mom don't really give a shit and r just being nice. I'm a woman and I agree with u whole heartedly.
@@meredithgrubb4497 It is said, "In the last days, the love of many will grow cold". When even family can say they don't really care, but are just being polite? That's harsh ma'am.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 It's the unfortunate truth. Even the most casual of observers can see that the world is not fair. Not everybody is created equal. Some people get to be unconditionally loved, and some don't. That's just the reality of the world that we live in. Everyone knows that it's fucked up, and that's why we try to be nice and polite to spare people from the worst of it. But the reality is never the less there's a limit to how much you can expect other people to care about you. For some people that limit is higher, and for some it's lower.
@@Fraggr92 Don't I know it. I grew up w/ that too. Oldest daughter in our family of 3. Very obviously treated last, behind my sister and brother. So it wasn't even a sexist thing, in my very male favouring family. Trust me, they admit it too. Gave me a complex like crazy. Life is harsh.
Nah alot of the issues that go on come from how guys are told to "suck it up" and other things that demean those that show emotion. I'd describe that as toxic masculinity
I think the disconnect here is that we would generally rather not talk about it because toxic masculinity is the lesser issue when we open up about things.
Masculinity is not a toxic trait, it’s honorable & absolutely needed in this world. I want every man to know not to fall for this bs ♡︎ Actual toxic traits of people Things Like •trauma •easily angered •detachment •depression and other mental health issues are just that.. “Mental health issues”!! and not just subjective to man. everyone has the right to heal especially men! We need to appreciate our men more for their strength and everything that they contribute.
Masculinity in general is not a toxic trait, but there are certain aspects of masculinity that can be. It is a definitively masculine trait to bottle up your emotions deep in your soul. That's toxic. Not saying I disagree with your message, there are also extremely positive things that masculinity covers, like the deep desire to protect. There's two sides to every coin. -a man
@@just5609 she said “toxic masculinity” watch it’s also push in our culture with the feminism movement towards men that I don’t agree with. The only thing toxic is shaming masculinity.
No, she's right though. Until men stop clowning on other men for taking care of their mental health and being in therapy, it's not going to go anywhere
@@Anthony90026not sure if you still interest but if you look up feminist attacks Toronto uni men’s mental health seminar, you can probably find some videos
I just love how she is trying to say we men should be taking a stance against toxic masculinity. That is NOT a men's mental health issue. Our issues are more geared around women thinking we are now meant to be less than them, PTSD (especially for us Veterans) being shut down by almost every woman we are interested in and want to date (especially for a relationship) and being degraded because they want us to lead but don't want to be told what to do.
When a mans sad the general reaction is people saying pull yourself together snap out of if. When women are sad theres way more sympathy and compassion. We need to ask ourselves why
We aren't sitting around, men just aren't nearly as vocal as women about it. And we take action, so that means we try and get the help we need instead of sitting and complaining about it. I suffer from depression and ADHD, and do you know what I did? I went and sought out a DR, that's what. I got help, instead of complaining that I don't have help.
I’m going to be honest here, we aren’t waiting for a movement, we’re waiting for someone to actually still give a damn about us after we open up.
90% of time just get abandons afterword's
Wtf has been going on! This is the crazy part. All these Cry about men feeling videos. I thought they beat their chest Swallow a can of beer, pick up a Stripper and Their all good! What happened??
That's the funny part. You aren't supposed to open up.
If you do open up, do it to other guy.
Too right. My wife asked about my military service, and I was stupid enough to tell her. I scared her. I haven't been through much of anything in my military career, no combat, nothing of note.
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She literally just unironically proved why men don't open up. She rolled her eyes at just the thought of a day being dedicated to it!!!!!!!!!!!
And then the usual 'toxic masculinity' crap about why men do mental health wrong because after all, aren't men and boys nothing but defective women?
She said that not that she doesn't care about mental health and then goes to completely prove that statement wrong.
Remember that June was men's mental awareness month before it became pride month.
@@SirTimidFlash Ahh, well, _now_ it makes sense. Anything to drag the spotlight off men's problems. For example, International Men's Day (November 19th for the curious) is the same as World Toilet Day. Seems inadvertently appropriate to me, considering they both take sh!t from a$$holes all day long and are only ever noticed when they stop working. 😁
@@SirTimidFlash LGBT pride became more important men's mental health smh
November 2012, university of Toronto. That wasn’t men protesting. That was feminists protesting against a seminar for men’s mental health.
Wow, terrible. Never heard of it, but that sounds horrible.
@@user-ml6po2wi8bwoman do that every time. Women hate men
@@user-ml6po2wi8bif they haven't been scrubbed, they are on UA-cam.
@@user-ml6po2wi8b ua-cam.com/video/hx5x0Ztffm4/v-deo.html
@@user-ml6po2wi8b There's video of it on UA-cam. Its horrible, just masses of screaming "feminist" protesters yelling things at the men trying to attend and blocking them from entry. Police and university staff didn't help the attendees either.
We are men. We suffer in silence and then we die.
Truth
But why though? Until recently men have dominated the medical industry. Why didn't We fix this?
Fax
Spot on
But why though mate? Why can't we talk to other men about our problems? Or go to a male therapist.
They try, you weaponized it, now they keep quiet and off themselves. Thanks for your contribution.
Please don't be so dishonest. Men are the ones that sabotage ans actively subvert and resist mental health and mental health movements for men. There's literally an entire counter movement that's literally preaching men to be even more stoic and even more masculine and it's POPULAR. Please don't be so dishonest.
Exactly.
It's what they want. Grass is always greener until there's no one there to water it.
Facts
This comment hit differently.
Her rant says everything you need to hear about how much she understands
in many jobs that men have, if you give a hint that you are feeling the need for therapy for stress or whatever, you are watched; if you admit to needing therapy, you may be put on paid or unpaid leave pending an investigation where the ultimate goal is to terminate the employment. This is especially true for jobs such as commercial pilots.
Exactly. My 1st reaction was, "Wat? WTF are you talking about??" 😩
Stop calling that thing she, please, that's really offensive to human species 😂😂😂
Which is nothing at all
She understands nothing but what she wants
There is a domestic violence shelter in my town that was called a Woman's Shelter for a long time. It was forced to change its name to Domestic Violence Shelter after they were informed they legally couldn't discriminate against men. The forced change came about because a man came to the shelter seeking help, they turned him away so he found a friend to crash on their sofa for a while. The woman he was trying to get away from found out his location, broke in one night and stabbed both him AND the friend he was staying with to death. That shelter was still called a Domestic Violence Shelter, and still claimed to take in men and women until last year when it was discovered they STILL refused to take in men because "the male victims were a danger to the female victims" and "if we allow men in, women won't come" so they found excuses to not accept men. The shelter was forced to close and sell off it's property, so now nobody gets to benefit - and an article written by a woman after the closure placed the entire blame on those male victims of abuse. Even when men TRY to get help for issues, of many kinds, we just get accused of taking focus and rights and benefits away form women and our issues are still not taken seriously.
Not surprising.
Well kinda surprising, that they decided to take some initiative after a man got stabbed
@@seaweedbrain2933no, it just isn’t surprising. they were forced to take initiative and found a loophole to keep excluding anyway.
what the heck?? just create seperate buildings for both gender then its all good
There was a church here that ran a thing to help men support each other. Women took to showing up to the gatherings, filming the men going in, and saying things like, "If this was my man, I'd leave him." And "They ought to be ashamed of themselves." And "Men can have their support group when they solve male privilege."
Those women should’ve been corrected by church leadership.
That only potentially works if those women were part of that congregation. From my understanding, they were not.
Uhh ... Whaae?ಠಿ_ಠ
video evidence or lies 😂
Literally NEVER seen a man make fun of men’s mental health resources. Seen a lot of girls do it though.
Ive seen countless men make fun of it especially online
@@tad4364 We both know damn well it’s not the norm. That’d be like me implying that girls are okay with rape just because a lot of them joke about it online.
@@EXP_Jenovaactually it is quite the norm you talk about trying to get help guarantee you 8 out of 10 men will clown your ass and 9 out of 10 women will definitely drag you over it
@@demnbrown Men have the highest suicide rate by a massive margin. The amount of men making fun of help resources are literally a minority. Statistically speaking.
@@demnbrownSo you've already tested it or where do you get that 8 out of 10 from?
What we're waiting for is human decency to be extended. Period.
Keep waiting
Keep waiting then. Almost all fields are male dominated. If you want male mental health to be taken more seriously reach out to your male counterparts and make it happen. Y'all hold yourselves back and then blame women when you're at the top of the social food chain. Quit acting like a pussy
Yeah women are waiting too lmao
@@shelbyb9965 Women have so much support available in the west that its not even funny anymore. Men... Not so much. If you dont believe me, google what happened to the dude who founded a mens shelter like a decade ago or so, feminists are fucking vicious.
Acting like a total b@#$h does not help their argument!💯😎
'It isn't that I don't care about men's mental health, it's that I don't care about men."
7 years in the British army, 2 tours of Afghanistan. When I sought out help from said groups, they didn't help me. Yet, every week, they seek donations. For 2 years, I was in a spiral between being homeless and abusing alcohol. I dug myself out of the hole, and along the way, I'm ashamed to admit I tried multiple attempts on my own life, which landed me in psychiatric units. The expression "I'm fine" is saying we are just that because reality is the majority do not give a toss about us. We take it on the chin and keep going. I know you are on your knees, brother, and you want to give up, but there is still fight in you. I genuinely believe this. So get the fuck up and keep fighting. Do not give in to those thoughts or feelings. You are stronger than you realize, and people do care about you.
I'm about a month late but congrats on digging yourself out of that hole brother!
I'm not a Vet but I had my son @ 16 years old. Despite trying my best I fell into the rabbit hole alot of young men especially young fathers do where your primal instinct of protect and provide is unacknowledged and often vilified. I felt like the most unappreciated person on the planet but kept trucking through it. I couldn't mention it without it being "wrong" or taken in a completely different context. I abused opioids from about 17-20 years old, but several years after being clean I finally went off the rails and started drinking. I don't know how I didn't die, I drank so much. I was incarcerated multiple times, I was becoming violent and unhinged and in the middle of it I tried to get help and the female doctor wouldn't even help me unless I went into an in patient rehab because I was on Suboxone still. It continued and I dug myself deeper into the pit. I was basically so done I was going to drink myself to death, and at one point in a regional jail I remember blowing a 5.0 Despite not drinking in almost 24 hours.
I finally got myself right and started to dig myself out, and took the time to really evaluate who I was. It's been a struggle since, COVID really set me back financially after just getting on my own two feet. But having climb out of that pit, I won't allow myself to fall down again. Getting my ADHD diagnosed helped tremendously and I learned so much about myself. I've got mad love for anyone who can beat the hold drink gets on you. I've done a lot of substances due to my impulsiveness but nothing ever fucked up my life like booze. Stay strong my man, the only people who criticize now clearly aren't worth proving anything to because the ones who pay attention see the changes.
Keep rocking brother!
Keep going, mate. Be strong and ignore those twits🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
This lady literally just said “unless your movement lines up with what i personally think the problem is, you don’t get one”
Yes she did exactly that. As well as saying that in her view men are toxic. Feminist empathy and open mindednes
@@42hamneggs classic example of 'tolerance' but only tolerance for their beliefs.
@@goldenhate6649 Gotta love the whole "we're tolerant of you conforming to our demands" vibe
And not once recognizing that mens movements get actively crushed out of existence by women on the regular.
She also had the audacity to say "do something about it"
I've yet to see any feminist DO anything except scream and cry on the internet or in the street while waiting for a man to DO something about it FOR her.
So, that was a lot of words to say "Man up and fix it."
She's entirely missing the point.
She really isn't. Men hurt each other more than anything. Men on men violence is the most common form of violence out there. The point is that a lot of men talk about their mental health yet actively put the people who are seeking help down. Many reported cases of men shaming other men for therapy and whatnot. School instances of kids being bullied for expression of their emotions by other men. The issue men have thigh with women is because they are single and have bad "romantic" experiences with them for them opening up. A woman rejecting you, in my humble opinion, is not going to make mens mental health worse, but another man shaming you is. Men weaponize these things more
She being the African American lady, right?
@@italianbasegardyes
@@italianbasegard yes
😂 exactly.
She's right. If only there was a designated day to help spread awareness of men's mental health issues. A day where men would not be chastised for struggling to ask for help in a culture that expects them to respect the vulnerabilities everything and everyone but themselves. If only...
Her lack of awareness is profound. Men have feelings too.
She is the epitme of mens health. Womansplain our issues to us and make it about you. Nailed it.
Exactly I'm not about to listen to a woman about Men's Health and what we need
We aren't "waiting for a movement to appear". We're waiting for people to allow us to be open without them using it against us.
Not an option. Weakness can and will be weaponized against you.
I mean that's a terrible way to start a movement if people were just gonna allow you to start a movement you wouldn't need a movement in the first place
get therapy stop trying to play victim women dont wanna hear it cause we dont know u dont care and our issues are way worse and yall the same guys that harass us and undermine our issues we havent been taken seriously throughout all of history and today shockingly so its a no brainer we dont wanna hear the men complain about the problems that men created yall can talk to people yk about it instead of crying on the internet everyday its really not that serious for yall so just get ur shit together and educate urself about real world issues cause these trivial shit yall be complaining about is like a broken record saying the same lame shit thats just problems yall create then blame women for we dont wanna hear it instead yall should be spreading awareness like the sound of freedom but yall only wanna feel sorry for urselves instead of looking at whats outside stop sulking about ur sad life and worry about the real shit cause the real shit is gonna hit u like a brick and ur gonna feel stupid doing what u been doing spending all ur time sulking
@@buggus0034 Opening up isn't weakness but it's seen as weakness when it comes to men. So f*ng stupid.
I think her husband/boyfriend isn't waiting for a movement to start up. But more for her to get out of his life.
Also, whenever men try to do something for themselves, they get torn down and called toxic.
All it takes sometimes is for someone who cares to acknowledge you're suffering. It sounds so very very simple, yet it's so very very rare.
My kid’s therapist encouraged me to find a group for parents of kids struggling with trauma issues (her mom died). I show up, and am the only man there. I played it cool, and was only hoping there might be another male there, but no. The ladies got together, talked it over, and told me to leave. They weren’t comfortable talking about their daughter’s in front of me. I explained that I too have a daughter who is struggling. They told me to find a men’s group. I said, “but this isn’t a woman’s group.” I left as I wasn’t welcome. BTW, there are no men’s groups in our community that don’t involve licensed therapists and security, as these men are also on parole.
So yeah, when we look for help, our options are limited. Do it right now. Search for local groups supporting mental health, and tell me if there are any men’s groups.
I live in an area of 10 million.
How dare they kick you out
Wtf, its like they are treating a support trauma group like their own personal fucking book club
"they got together and talked it over" - so none of them actually had the decency to tell you her personal reasons for why you shouldn't be there as you were trying to do something to help your daughter. How compassionate. As a woman I'm ashamed of this heartless behaviour towards men. You seem like a good father to your daughter. I hope you guys get through this difficult situation as well as can reasonably be expected in the circumstances.
Drop the name of the group, we gotta press them for that
Why did you leave? You should have stood up for your daughter. If I was in your shoes, there's nothing those women could have done to remove me. Guilting me to leave would have made me stand stronger for my daughter. Would they have willingly left if told they couldn't participate in a support group for boys? Women always force their way into groups where women are not present. This is why there are no spaces for men left in the US.
When men try to address it, the other movements start clownin' on them
It's worse than that. They actively block it in the political and legal sphere.
I'm genuinely so confused? Who tries to block it?
@osmangarrett560 i cant speak on this subject specifically. But i do remember 3 separate instances of feminists gettings mens shelters shut down for "discrimination". So it wouldnt be the first time something like that happened.
It's not that other movements are clowning on it its that other toxic "masculine„ men who do that shit
Exactly that's why we don't say anything cos they don't listen
+ International Men's Day - November 19th
- Unlike International Women's Day, International Men's Day is not officially recognised by the United Nations.
+ World Toilet Day - November 19th
- The UN General Assembly declared World Toilet Day an official UN day in 2013.
- The UN WTD 2019 campaign: Leaving no one behind... ...ensure "everyone has access to sustainable sanitation services by 2030, paying special attention to the needs of *women and girls* and those in vulnerable situations".
There is a concerted effort to emasculate men in the western world, this is but one facet of it. Stay vigilant brothers.
I ended up having to use my male nature to look for ways to help me cope.
I went and found a counsellor, after years of coping, some successful, some unsuccessful.
What i found helpful was writing and research on certain topics that were ailments. Easy to fix with knowledge at hand, but monumental to overcome without the understanding.
Now out of my 20s, with that being a rough decade, full of mental health issues.
I can finally say i am mentally in a much better place, but i only just got here. This past winter was the first winter ive gotten through without the entire world feeling like it is crumbling around me.
I still had help and support, and still things werent always going right or i was putting myself in bad situations. I just have a stronger mindset and take a step back and focus on my situation and how to improve it, instead of wallowing in my emotions.
I didnt know how to do that previously, i only just figured that part out.
Granted, i also have nothing to do with women, in the workplace, at home, and mostly stay away from those interactions online.
I only had to go on a journey, 8 years, to be mentally healthier. I just had to cut out every person in my life and be the only person in my life.
I can tell you that is a very radical decision, and that i dont usually recommend, but i gave myself to everyone and no one returned anything back. I am just an expendable to everyone else.
I am not expendable to myself, although i used to think that.
Funny how i had to adapt the mindset that at the end of the day, all i have is myself.
women: "I feel terrible! I have so much depression! It's so hard to be a woman! "
Men: "Let us help these women feel better."
Men: "I feel depression and like nobody is listening to me."
Women: "Shut up and admit you are the problem!"
Please don’t fall for this, 😢 I hope that you encounter a women who extends empathy.
You seem like a very genuine and caring man. Sending hugs 🫂 ♡︎
@@Divinelydestiny thanks for the sympathy.
I have indeed run into several kind, empathetic women, like the one I've been married to for the last seven years!
Unfortunately, before that, I experienced sexual abuse by girls as a teenager, and suffer actual ptsd and depression because of it, (and not the fun kind of depression).
I cannot get therapy on the NHS in Britain because my abuse was not by a family member.
the one website for male abuse survivors, which I've been a member of for fifteen years, recently banned me for so called: "misogyny!" Even though I was just generally venting about the triggering levels of misandry.
I don't say any of this as a plea for sympathy; though it's appreciated, or because it's cool, just to point out that yes, there bloody well is! a bias here, and it dam well isn't because of any "patriarchy!"
I am well aware it's not "all women", though unfortunately, since women are in control of the cultural narrative, and men literally have no voice for expressing male concerns, it's actually up to those sane women to point this out.
Thanks again.
@@Divinelydestinyway too many not to fall for it
@@Divinelydestiny we don't need compassion or empathy, the opportunity to be useful, competent and strong might help though. Not being disregarded and taken for granted really helps, or told that it is toxic to be a man.
This is shay tiktok feels like
She is the reason that men need a mental health awareness month
The funny thing is: there is one. It is June.
@@schneemilch908they knew
@@schneemilch908 it is just overshadowed by pride month
@@reactorteam6543 That is the problem.
@@reactorteam6543idk man some of those people in pride need a lot of mental help
"you're depressed? i couldn't tell by the way you make everyone else smile"
My favorite part of this real is that she wants to define what immense mental health day should look like and how we're supposed to behave and what our mental health is supposed to be.
Feminist groups have also done extensive work to shutdown any event/social gathering/psa/etc. centered around men's mental health and awareness. We DO try to speak up, express our needs, and seek help... but we're lucky if we see any progress because of the uphill battle we as a group are forced to fight. Not to mention that any progress made constantly circles back to "but what about women?" instead of appreciating that multiple groups can have separate problems.
*cough* Me Too movement *cough cough*
Men used to have places where they could meet and talk and be in the company of men. But the feminist movement has shut down all the mens clubs, because it was unfair that they were excluded. Hell even the Boy Scouts isn't about boys anymore
Just like the men's domestic abuse facility that was opened, and immediately hostile feminists showed up and demanded that it be shut down.
The reason why. If we talk about men's mental health in the suicide rate it would have to come down to men being assaulted and screwed with. I mean Young Mills growing up confused told that they're bad and masculinity is toxic and all that. That's the reason why they attack men's mental health. Because it would have to come down to that men are being targeted.
I love the way she talks about a men's movement without the "toxic masculinity" without the "Being a man" part. Roast culture? Guys don't roast serious effort. We laughed at femini$ts telling us what's wrong with us. Thier pathetic put downs & condescension are the only roasting I've seen. Hardly surprising really, the Fem!nist movement has a dedication in thier Charter, "We will use our sisters to destroy family & men through P0rn, Pr0stitution, Divor¢e & Promis¢unity" 4 very clear attack vectors.
Which explains OF, honourable"Sex workers", hookup culture & sexual freedom. Worse a Divor¢e €ourt system that destroys both men & the family. The Family €ourt system that encourages single motherhood & simultaneously Rogers men. Feminism courses in Colleges designed to make women unmarriable and impossible to live with.
Why destroy the Traditional Family? Both the Feminin!sts & Thier friends the Mar×ists, hate the family as an impediment to social changes&as a tool for female oppression. Our current Social issues aren't an accident. It has been a long carefully driven plan since the 70's. The spin offs from the Fem!nist movement such as the Green movement, the Gay movement, the Trans movement, Veganism, Climate change, BLM. All are part of the plan. Men got played. ☹️🇦🇺
I remember that there once was a help line for men who were victims of domestic abuse in America and feminist harassed them into closing
This reverse discriminatry bs. has got to stop!
@@MAte925 It's not "reverse discriminatry" it's just discriminatory
Is that the same as the one they not only bullied into closing, but caused the man who started it to kill himself?
@@existenceisrelative possibly I didn't know about the founder killing himself
@@nintendoswitchbrit4201 I might be thinking about the man who tried opening a battered men's shelter. They ruined him financially, socially, and finally they hounded him until he took his own life.
There are a lot of people who say they want "equality"
But the moment that we try to address issues that men have, like mental health, it's pushed down to the ground while every other group is prioritized. It sucks. I tried to address men who go through SA once, because I went through that, and the person I was talking to literally said that "men being abused don't matter as much as women"
She literally explained why no men get behind the movement . We would be perceived as weak and made fun of . We are raised to be strong and not be emotional at all.
I called my mom this one time just to talk, and it wasn't even about anything crazy. Just things were rough and I just wanted to talk to someone that I thought cared about me. Her response was "um...okay. Not sure why you called 'me.' So... I'm going to let you go. Good luck with that." Direct quote. When a guy can't even talk to his own mom, you know no one gives a crap about you
I'm sorry that happened. I wish she had been better, and I hope she apologizes to you. I hope you have a nice day or soon to have a nice day or night. Whichever one. You aren't alone 💛 We hear you
Sounds a lot like my mom. I'm basically a therapist to my gf, however if something bothers me she is the only person who doesn't weaponize what I say. I'll admit I'm used to keeping everything in and it's hard for me to open up bc every other woman I've dated has weaponized my feelings b4
She finna wonder "why wont my kids talk to me?" In the nursing home then
That's just a crappy mum, my mother and most other mothers i know will gladly have a chat with their children.
At least your mother listened to you... like im sorry that happened bro but also i feel how you do. My mom never acknowledged that i was suffering with su*sidal thoughts (gruesome ones i might add...) and major depression because school was a living hell.. i got bullied every day because i was different and overweight... ive tried offing myself 5 times now and i am no better today than i was back then.. the only thing thats changed is that i hide it better. The only person i can truly be myself around is my dad and he may only have a few years left to live if he isnt careful.. it hurts hiding these feelings from him but he has enough on his own plate so i dont talk to him about it.. there are many things i could go into about what happened back in school but i dont want to as its too painful to bring up..
But.. if you ever need someone to listen to your struggles.. im here my guy. Just remember that..
This chick might want to check out who was pulling fire alarms to disrupt a men's mental health seminar at the University of Toronto.
Im guessing its the same event that feminist woman was screaming in a mans face that had went there to listen after one of his close friend killed himself.
I have never forgotten the pain in that guys face as some nasty girl was giving him hell when he was already dealing with immense grief all because the feminist didnt like the opinion of one of the speakers.
Link?
@@Etrius_Fysik Found it on youtube by looking up "mens mental health seminar university of toronto feminist protest" and found a bunch of videos. I don't think I can put links in comments (youtube doesn't always allow it) but the name of the video I watched was called "feminist protests at an event about mens mental health,they didn't like the speaker." Hope this helps!
"Stop waiting around and form your own movement... also how dare you form your own movement, bigot!" 😂
This the third time I heard about torronto to day.
first of all a good roast session between the bois is how you know your still good, if you dont feel comfortable talking mad shit to your homie shit aint it
Fellow men. Don’t be so open with your emotions with these women who don’t give a damn. Instead find brothers that you trust and can confide in. If you can’t find someone who will listen then be that man other men can be honest with. Be a real homie
The problem isn’t toxic masculinity, it’s being told my masculinity is toxic 😂
Especially by toxic females.
Exactly!
This needs much more likes !!!!
Absolutely.
The problem is the the label "toxic"
I advocated in a forum for my college for men’s issues and the response I got was “lol what issues men don’t have issues”
I honestly think most women are straight up sociopaths when it comes to men. It's why it's laughable when they claim to be the empathetic ones.
This is sad just because we are in general physicaly stronger doesn't mean men have no problems sometimes i think we are still living in middle ages but a modern version of it 🤔
@@didierbaudotMore like we are being forced to stay in our gender box of no emotions and soulless machines
@@Archiver_Studio very correct what you are saying and the worst part of it is that women find this attractive (there are many exeptions but still many)
@@didierbaudot They don't find it attractive, well not all of them, they find it hilarious and weaponise it
Many types of toxic women have this trait
It is a miracle that this is only a certain section of women that act this way
emily and other influencers are the movement and ones we are grateful for
Issue here is she's assuming that one side offering their idea of a solution without listening to the issues presented by the other is okay, as though she has the empirical and proven best method to proceed. In any other context that would be considered robbing someone of their voice.
Calling masculinity "toxic" is a major cause of men's impaired mental health.
I love how women complain how bad they have it. Untill they get a taste of what it's like to be a man they will realize how much better they have it as a woman.
@@ryanmigliori660reminds me of that lesbian some years back that pretended to be a man, to see if men had it easier like is what is pushed, and ended up killing herself because of how she was treated while she pretended to be a man.
There is nothing toxic about masculinity
@@Jashuatadglock95 there are toxic ways of expressing masculinity (see scumbags like Andrew Tate) but yeah, masculinity is not inherently toxic. The same can also be said of femininity too though.
It’s not the fact that we can’t have the ladies stay home with the babies cuz the moneys just not there even at like $70K+, it’s not because of life stress, it’s not because of any other number of factors aside from toxic masculinity(also hate that my iPhone recommended the next word after toxic to be masculinity)
After setting up an entire month for everyone else's issues. I'm glad they decided to give us a whole day.
But a day won't be enough
And yet, we still don't get a parade.
pretty sure its a month is it not? june
Don't forget pride season.
@@BeamBooms yes that is correct. I commented on what I heard in the video. Honestly as a guy I didn't even know they had a day let alone a month. Just figured in today's hate mongering of males that they decided to give us one day.
Was going through and am still going through some annoying shit with my old boss where he didn’t pay me for like a months worth of work or something like that while telling me for a month and a half he’ll pay me and need me back in work so I naive as I am believed it didn’t look for a new job just waited really put me in a rut close to the start of it a girl I was talking to and felt comfortable talking to and venting to decided to just tell me something to the extent of “I’m tired of your problems you’re almost the perfect guy but you bitch too much just suck it up other people have it worse” it’s great being a man :D
If anyone even hinted at these comments being made towards a woman... they'd be cancelled within 3 - 5 days...
Every time men try to talk about their issues women attack them mercilessly
Edit: half the replies to this are women attacking me. So thanks for proving my point ladies
Yep. Pretty sure it's from guys opening up to a woman in a vulnerable state and her either destroying his trust there immediately or bringing it up later to score points in an argument.
@@saureco ya made that mistake a day ago. I was being dumb and opened up about my personal feelings and how empty I feel most the time and she turned around and basically said that that when my mental health turns for the worse she won’t be there for me unless I become suicidal. Damn that shit hurt man. I knew I fucked up the moment I opened my mouth
Or they just look at you like deer in the head lights like 'am i supposed to care?' Attitude
And it might not even happen immediately. She might hold on to your vulnerabilities until she angry and then use them to hurt you.
With the exception one really sad dude I've never had my mental health needs be used against me. Except by women.
Lady, what you’re saying is exactly why we never open up. Because the second we do, we’re criticized for it
Fax 😢
Or it's used against us
@@direwolf8703Or it's treated as humour or just understated and treated way less severely than it should
Speaking from experience here
Just proved that we suffer in silence and ignore it.
The oddest thing about that woman’s video, and I’ve seen others like it, is that they laugh about men’s mental health day then criticize men for not building a mental health movement. But having a men’s mental health day is literally part of building that.
Then again, then she goes on to list her beefs with men. I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women.
This: too many women believe men's mental health issues are that they don't think like women.
"I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women." That's exactly right. It's like the Million Man March in the 90s, in which men came together to talk about how to be better men. Women were upset that they weren't in charge of deciding how men should be better men. The woman in this video even demonstrated that "men's health" should be in accordance of what she thought masculinity ought to be.
@@rdkirk3834 I seen a youtube person say most men are NPCs and say men that then talk back to that online are not "real men" is clear as day they want slaves
The fact that she thinks "toxic masculinity" or "roast culture" is the root cause of men's mental health issues tells me everything I need to know.
Completely, the solution to men's mental health is to turn them into women and see all their problems like a third wave feminist.
Neuter the men and their problems will go away.
Doesn't work that way.
Not that she's unique, it's hard to understand something so outside your experience.
But when you are so sure that just accepting "men" can never be a man and are the source of all evil when they are less female in their mental patterns.
It's truly the thing we enjoy and they assume that our happiness is the problem
I mean one example of toxic masculinity is that men aren't allowed to have feelings or be sad I see it everywhere with men in my family
@saltrush3448 they aren't. Men have been listening to women saying we need to be more open about our feelings, and it gets used against us every time. Men aren't the ones stopping men from expressing themselves.
Exactly!
It’s because I don’t want to open up, it makes me feel weak, it makes me feel desperate, I can make it through this, and if not then I won’t be bother to people anymore.
She lost me at take a stand "against" being a man. I am a man. Why would I stand against that?
Classic example of a woman thinking that men are suffering in the same way she does, and then assuming that the suffering of men is solved in the safe way it is for women.
Honestly, catcalling these men on the street would probably boost their mental health, whereas it would send a woman into apoplectic shock.
This right here.
@@saureco my god, imagine the confidence we would have damn
Can we get women on board with catcalling us? Damn 😂
Therapy is all about emotions and useless for most guys
@@AlexCuzacatcalling is mainly old gross men catcalling literal teenagers.
So. No... women aren't going to do that.
And if they do, it will be gross old women you have no interest in.
I love how people say go do this, stand up etc but they are the same people that silence us. It's not toxic to try and be strong we just want someone to listen.
insecurities speaking
I don't think you understand what toxic masculinity means, it is a group of parts of masculinity that are toxic. Like claiming that "men don't need a mental health day, just man up!" That's the toxic part
Anyone saying "toxic masculinity" is what's known as an HR liability.
Don’t forget the few times we actually do try and focus on mental health we get ridiculed and hated by individuals because “It’s not that big of a deal. Just toughen up”
Best response was: "There are people, who have it worse." Great. Now i feel better, by knowing others suffer.... Man, i tell you. Can't wait to see how it all ends
Apparently from another comment in Canada a man who's friend committed suicide and went to a men's mental health group was yelled at by feminist "you are scum". Another dude was told to leave a group for parents whose child lost a parent because he was a man and they didn't feel comfortable sharing about their daughters with him and to "find a group for men" (this group wasn't labeled a womens only group btw) only problem that there isn't one except the ones that have therapists and guards because they're for felons on parole
I posted about how broken my oldest son was after we came back from Ukraine. And how seeing him struggle with it was what fucked me up about it. I was a Ranger for 16 years before I remarried a Canadian girl and moved to serve 6 years with 3RCR. He wanted to go prove what a man he was to himself. So I got my old battle buddies who wanted to go together to keep him alive and we went off. Police kicked in my door, cuffed me, stuffed me in the back of a cruiser. Because a grown woman I went to school with was afraid I was a danger to the community. Didn't charge me with nothing just detained me for 72 hours. Police Depts. legal team has spent the past 6 month trying to bury our lawsuit under meaningless paper work which if we don't fill out the court will just toss the whole case: Where were you on feb 30th 2007." Giving you mom a ride on the baloney pony, what about your question is relevant to the case.
And it’s almost always females that say that
Men's mental health suffers for the exact reasons that people label masculinity as toxic, don't understand roasting is a bonding mechanism and that we just want to be allowed to be men.
She basically said that a man needs to stop being a man to get help.
I don't think it's other men roasting men about trying to help men's mental health issues. Not sure where she's even getting that crap from.
People aren’t labeling masculinity as toxic. Toxic masculinity is a type of masculinity like a red car is a type of car.
@@wt7553many feminists label what they don’t like about men as toxic despite many of those things not being toxic. It became a blanket term like many of the people who yes racism, woke, and sexism now.
@@wt7553 No. Toxic masculinity is feminist pseudo-term invented to vilify men. It doesn't really exist.
We don’t wait we go through the pain, I’m only 11 years old and I have trauma and depression and I might end it soon but I still went through that pain for years
As a man she made some valid points NGL. It is up to us men to make the movement and address the problems
We aren’t waiting around for a movement, we’re waiting for everyone to stop telling us what our “actual” problems are.
Which can be solved by creating the movement.
@@dhans9662Nope, it will get shut down immediately.
@dhans9662 and then the movement gets told its wrong because the issues the men say they're having aren't the ones that we should be focusing on because we should be focusing on our issues that affect women, not the issues that affect us
@@donkusack1424 Like what? There's plenty of organizations that support men's mental health, like getting some basic fucking therapy.
@@dhans9662therapy don't do shit
I had an ex that said "men's self deletion rate is because they refuse to talk about their problems" I dared her to make a male social media account and try and post something about it. Watch how many women tear you down for absolutely no reason
I see you called her an ex. Im left curious, is that because you opened up to her about your problems?
@8BitB when one of my best friends died, she got mad at me for "making the night all about me" and stormed out
@@RedMan-zy3kz 😮💨so yes. So sorry man.
@@RedMan-zy3kzOh man that sucks
It's probably been a while, but, Brother, I'm sorry about your friend.@@RedMan-zy3kz
I don't care about a day, I care about a person. All most guys need is that one friend/spouse/partner that actually cares.
Masculinity is not toxic. Men are not toxic. We all, especially the nice guys, get painted with the same brush for the misdeeds of a tiny amount of predators & punished collectively in the most draconian ways possible. Speaking for many men to whomever may agree with that clip "I apologize for being born.".
Why do men keep their feelings to themselves....this women attitude is the reason
Because as men we are conditioned from day 1 to not be emotional and share our feelings because no-one cares.
@@PaulGirdlestoneto be fair tho men did push that stereotype
@@carolinareaper6342bec we get shit like this
@@carolinareaper6342So women are allowed to break traditional stereotypes but not men?
@@carolinareaper6342and the women enforce it, look up statistics
Honestly it’s called being a decent human being and listening to the men in your life and how they feel
Good luck with people like her. self-absorbed abuser is what she is. Me me me
@bastiat4855 umm no I wouldn’t. It’s called sharing all of you are together. He should give all of him and she should give all of her to their significant other
@bastiat4855 delusion not fact
@@peach1503a man can never open up fully to a woman. A majority of women will weaponize feelings and issues. Some go to their friends to have a laugh. Others just ridicule the man and use it against him when it can benefit her. This is how modern women operate. This is what we men always must be aware of.
@@MudaMudaYaMutha fact. Few men talk about being able to share everything with a woman without it having negative repercussions. Most men having tried, can tell stories about negative repercussions.
Here is the thing. Guys enjoy the fact that we can deal with stuff. It isn’t healthy but we do it. For example if I was still able to function all day with only one meal, it means that I am tough. Even though I have access to three meals, I still like to know I can survive on one meal. I know I can survive without crying and so I don’t cry, even though it isn’t healthy.
Emily i just wanted to say i love you for your videos. As a guy its just nice to see a woman concerned for us. For that thank you. We appreciate it.
The only real support I've gotten in my life is from my bros. Not a SINGLE woman friend wants to be supportive when anyone in my groups needed it. I'll tell you what, nothing felt better than my bro turning to me at a restaurant and saying (paraphrased) "we need to talk about you. You've been stressed and its really starting to show, please talk to us about it" I fucking cried, and still tear up, because damn I've never even had a girlfriend care that much... fuck man
Been through similar, it wasn't, and still isn't easy. I was drinking heavily to numb myself to it. Been sober for almost 8 months now, and a lot of it was because I reconnected with a bunch of the guys I used to hang out with. They get me. When I'm stressed, I can vent freely, on my own terms. Otherwise we just do dumb guy shit and have a good time when we hang.
Your braids are to tight
@timtheconjurer brother im proud of you. You ever need to talk im here
@tygriffith7893 that's so fucking cringe
@timtheconjurer I'm happy you've found an outlet every needs one no matter what other douchebags might say, you matter and the world is a better place with you in it
Earl Silvermann, look up this guy. He was a domestic abuse survivor in Canada and founded Men's Alternative Safe House. The first privately owned shelter of its kind in Canada. What happened to him? Well, after years of ridicule and going bankrupt (thus being forced to sell the shelter he dedicated his life to), he ended his life in 2013. In his will, he wanted any money from his estate to an Educational Scholarship for male victims of abuse perpetrated by female abusers. This was done through Mount Royal University Foundation.
Remembering Earl and his tireless good work for men. Sadly
@curtislockhart7152There can be no change under a covert occupational gynocentric government.
I agree. Whenever a man starts to speak about man’s health issue there are lot of women who start to clown him and address him as misogynistic
As a man, we dont need yall to listen, sometimes we just need yall to stfu 😂 youre out here doin Gods work, thank you
masculinity isn't toxic.
It certainly can be, mainly if used in a more strictly conservative way where men have to be aggressive, uncaring, unemotional, you can't cry, you gotta be tough, compassion/empathy isn't allowed, restricted in how you can express yourself because any other way is considered unmanly, etc...
They hate masculinity until it’s time to do masculine shit.
Stoicism is where it's at. Certainly going out and puffing up your chest to attract whores and put down other men is toxic. But those 'alphas' usually suffer for their pointless toil.
Naw the solution is independence from women and alpha men. Be a sigma. Detach and enjoy...
@@Wiseman__ "You have to be more emotional!"
Men: Try to show emotion.
"YOU ARE WEIRD YOU BABY!"
I'm just going to agree that masculinity isn't toxic. The term toxic masculinity is used to undermine actual male masculinity. Unless men are acting in more feminine ways, they are considered toxic now.
I was once asked by my lovely lady why I didn't talk about my problems. I explained talking about my issues has never helped and in many cases just gave ammunition to people who didn't want the best for me. She figured out pretty quickly and before even I knew how to help myself that when I am having a bad time, all she needs to do is acknowledge I'm trying and take some of the daily burden from my shoulders. Truly blessed to have someone like this in my life and I don't know how people survive without that kind of support. If you're struggling out here feeling alone, find someone in your life who acknowledges your battle and keep on fighting warriors. You've got this.
I was a from a rocky upbringing and just got to work to build my life. First few GF's I had were so into the Oprah approach of talk, talk, talk rather than recognize I needed a certain amount of a solid platform to stand on, when most of them had solid upbringings and enjoyed a bit of chaos as freedom when they always had parents to back fall on.
We look inward or we find something physical to vent. Im naturally stoic but i am also sensitive and a musician and this is the way for me. Writing and music, reading also helps lads. I got your back, i am uncommon because i know everything else is
Lucky. My wife just turns it into all about her. SHe has never given a F about me.
Honestly, the first girl is right. We as men are our own worst enemy in this fight. I have consistently seen those of us who want to break the cycle of toxicity being insulted and mocked for daring to not conform to a strict ideal of "manliness". We need to be better if we want to create a better world.
It's not easy to guys to open up about such things coz there's a high chance we'll be seen as weak, or simply just ignored or joked at. Everyone keeps talking about mental health but when a guy expresses concerns about themselves no one really cares. I personally tried asking for helo once but nothing worked out and everyone assumed that I was ok now and simply forgot about it. I felt guilty about having mental issues, as if I was bothering them by speaking to them about this. Point taken, now I never talk about my mental health with anyone, which made things worse as now I feel like I can't trust anyone.
"You're the problem. Now solve the problem."
Gotta love how her choice of "men's mental health movements" are the movements that tell men how horrible they are and teach them to hate themselves. So healthy.
As a therapist, men's issues are simple. We have no idea what our roll in society and the family are. We have no feeling of value. We need to feel competent in our community.
We try not to realise that there's a men's health day cause we don't wanna know that we need it. Cause me and my bro's be out there making earth survive. We built this shit , if we weren't here in the 1st place , a pack of hyenas gon take you out. All men for men reply with a bro👊
What we're waiting for is to not be mocked by EVERYONE when we come out and ask for help. We aren't just mocked by men, we're mocked by women as well. Also I don't think I've actually ever seen a man mock another man for needing actual mental health help
Yeah, an ACTUAL good man with good values….like..we may joke around with each other and take the piss out of each other and roast each other and stuff, but we know when to take shit seriously, cause we care about our friends and those around us
Nor have I in fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. I went through a particularly bad break up years ago which came at a time when I was at my lowest in life (nothing was going right personally or professionally) and I suddenly had a nervous breakdown in front of one of my friends who was your stereotypical alpha who seemingly never let anything bother him and was considered the tough guy of the group.
We weren't the closest of friends when it came to our circle but, when my breakdown happened, I was at the point of ending it all and the first thing he did was hug me and get emotional telling me I was going to be okay and to not give up. After that he regularly checked in on me and made sure to always invite me out to parties that he was going to away from our friend group.
We ended up being closer than we were with anyone else in the group to the point that I'm now his sons Godfather.
Dude fucking saved me.
Anytime Men start a movement of any kind.
There will always be a bunch of women trying to destroy it.
Also:
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There definitely is such a thing as toxic presentation of traditionally masculine traits that "toxic masculinity" would normally be an acceptable shorthand for. Ironically, this behavior is often caused or exacerbated by the lack of access to, or willingness to seek because of the stigma associated with it, mental health care. Lack of good father figure role models for many boys growing up doesn't help the matter either. Lack of any father figure role models is bad enough, but worse are the "father" figures which do present many of these traits in a toxic manner(well, except as negative examples if the women in the boy's life are well above average in ability to communicate these kinds of things to the boys in question, which does happen sometimes). Though obviously there will always be jerks despite how they were raised and how much mental health they have access to.
Unfortunately, the term "toxic masculinity" has been almost completely shifted to mean "any traditionally masculine trait I want to complain about today regardless of how it presents" by certain feminist groups and their allies in the media and tech world. This makes using it in a more logical way, such as I described above, less than ideal.
@@spudgamer6049
Would you have any actual examples of 'toxic masculinity'?
@@Warmaster_7 exactly this. all "it" said was word salad garbage.
@@Warmaster_7 lol Her BS rant was a waste of time and energy because any example she may try to rationalize into some kind of masculinity being toxic could just be described as bad behavior period. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity, just bad behavior. I'm about done with these nonsense new modern narratives women try to throw around these days. It's ridiculous.
@spudgamer6049 just say you hate men and don't want nothing to do with us Jezebel
“Why are you sitting around and being depressed about your mental health? It’s almost like your mental health is so bad you don’t think you deserve it!”
Bro just said that men should not act like men or be masculine 💀
You know what would be a great help? If people like her never talked to us again. That would make all of us very happy
Communication is how we fix things. I'd say I'd reach out and be willing to discuss this in a way thst might make sense.
I think it would be more productive and effective if men's mental health wasn't treated like women's mental health.
She didn't say anything wrong or controversial, you are mad just because someone else told you to be
@Stefano.Rocca00 uh, the idea that we are waiting for a movement is pretty wrong and stupid. Your just hating cause that's all your capable of. What's she doing to make anything better? Bringing down others. It's not a 0 sum game. Your happiness doesn't require me to be in misery. And if it does, well don't cry when that gets flipped back on you. Which I personally hate. Vengeance isn't justice, but then suffering seems to be the only way we build empathy unfortunately.
@@Celestial_Reach no she literally just said that for mental health to be effective us men just need to stop with being toxic to one another and don't push eachother down. You are putting words in my mouth I've never said, or jumping to conclusions that have nothing to do with what was said. If you listen to the original video, it just sums up to the fact that us men need to create for ourselves a better environment and to encourage us selves to go to therapy and be aware of mental health problems and simply not waiting idly by while judging other people for their mental conditions or feelings
As a man the last thing i want is “mental health day,” what I’d actually like is if people respected me so I don’t “need one.”
Depends on your definition of a mental health day. That's what I've always called a day I take off work just because. No health issues other than I need a day to not be at work. lol
@@AC-ld4np i was just saying i dont need or want a holiday just a little respect
@@buttheadmcge9400yeah but everyone wants that. Its not something specifically a mens problem.
@@tad4364 exactly
This lady has a point, there is a vocal group of men who would sh!t on any form of self help or group help. I think these would be the same type who would sh!t on AA meetings and it’s members for not able to handle their alcohol if this was the time when AA was created
There’s a reason that men look out for each other because if we don’t, we literally have nobody.
Her: Guys should create a men's mental health awareness movement.
Also her: Guys shouldn't create a men's mental health awareness day as part of that movement.
One understanding all men realize, regardless of age, background, ethnicity or religion. We’re damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.😤
Too true
It is best to dont. Just mind our own buisness and carry on. Relationships arent worth it anymore
As a man, if I had a mental health day... it would be a day where I could be alone and not hear people like this lady telling me how to live, what to think, and how I should feel.
I think some of the best advice my dad gave me as a kid was "Outside of your family, and sometimes not even then, nobody gives a fuck about your feelings."
Men have to stop sugarcoating the world for women. We are failing them by doing so.
My dad gave me the exact same advice and even threw in that sometimes even him and mom don't really give a shit and r just being nice. I'm a woman and I agree with u whole heartedly.
Disco! The truth, free it will set you...
@@meredithgrubb4497 It is said, "In the last days, the love of many will grow cold". When even family can say they don't really care, but are just being polite? That's harsh ma'am.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 It's the unfortunate truth. Even the most casual of observers can see that the world is not fair. Not everybody is created equal. Some people get to be unconditionally loved, and some don't. That's just the reality of the world that we live in. Everyone knows that it's fucked up, and that's why we try to be nice and polite to spare people from the worst of it. But the reality is never the less there's a limit to how much you can expect other people to care about you. For some people that limit is higher, and for some it's lower.
@@Fraggr92 Don't I know it. I grew up w/ that too. Oldest daughter in our family of 3. Very obviously treated last, behind my sister and brother. So it wasn't even a sexist thing, in my very male favouring family. Trust me, they admit it too. Gave me a complex like crazy. Life is harsh.
She thinks "toxic masculinity" is the problem, instead of the real problem, people using the term "toxic masculinity"
Nah it's toxic femininity!!
they're the feminists in disguise, trying to help men fix issues that.... well women have ofcourse
Also the fact that she’s “bugged” by men having issues…….the entitlement is dripping off her
Nah alot of the issues that go on come from how guys are told to "suck it up" and other things that demean those that show emotion. I'd describe that as toxic masculinity
@@CC-kp7ge nah expressing vulnerability and weakness HARMS men who do so. TOXIC skanks, I mean females, ALWAYS use that against men.
I think the disconnect here is that we would generally rather not talk about it because toxic masculinity is the lesser issue when we open up about things.
That is correct we need mental health if we are the ones responsible for fixing all of women's problems.
Give a random dude a compliment and a good chunk of his mental distress will vanish. It's that simple, sometimes
Masculinity is not a toxic trait, it’s honorable & absolutely needed in this world. I want every man to know not to fall for this bs ♡︎
Actual toxic traits of people
Things Like •trauma •easily angered •detachment •depression and other mental health issues are just that..
“Mental health issues”!! and not just subjective to man.
everyone has the right to heal especially men!
We need to appreciate our men more for their strength and everything that they contribute.
Thank you so much for caring a bit at all ❤️
I'll accept toxic masculinity when we're allowed to talk about toxic femininity. Until then, it's just shitty people being shitty.
Masculinity in general is not a toxic trait, but there are certain aspects of masculinity that can be. It is a definitively masculine trait to bottle up your emotions deep in your soul. That's toxic. Not saying I disagree with your message, there are also extremely positive things that masculinity covers, like the deep desire to protect.
There's two sides to every coin.
-a man
No one in this video said masculinity is toxic, you just hear what you want to hear.
@@just5609 she said “toxic masculinity” watch it’s also push in our culture with the feminism movement towards men that I don’t agree with. The only thing toxic is shaming masculinity.
Physical, mental, emotional, and financial abuse from my mother to my last girlfriend. All I want is a healthy family!
No, she's right though. Until men stop clowning on other men for taking care of their mental health and being in therapy, it's not going to go anywhere
Those videos of women attacking men going to a mental health seminar scarred me deeply
Do you have a link to those videos?
@@Anthony90026not sure if you still interest but if you look up feminist attacks Toronto uni men’s mental health seminar, you can probably find some videos
I just love how she is trying to say we men should be taking a stance against toxic masculinity. That is NOT a men's mental health issue. Our issues are more geared around women thinking we are now meant to be less than them, PTSD (especially for us Veterans) being shut down by almost every woman we are interested in and want to date (especially for a relationship) and being degraded because they want us to lead but don't want to be told what to do.
Yeah that would be suicide. But I don't think she cares too much about that 1.
When a mans sad the general reaction is people saying pull yourself together snap out of if. When women are sad theres way more sympathy and compassion. We need to ask ourselves why
We aren't sitting around, men just aren't nearly as vocal as women about it. And we take action, so that means we try and get the help we need instead of sitting and complaining about it. I suffer from depression and ADHD, and do you know what I did? I went and sought out a DR, that's what. I got help, instead of complaining that I don't have help.