First review I've seen that actually talked about where the axles came from. Nice. I'm happy with the 4Runner I currently own, but a million miles from now when road salt has rotted it to death, it'll be nice to have another option in the market to consider. Granted it's a bit of a jump in price. This is quickly becoming my favorite review channel.
UPDATE: I just spoke to Ineos and they say owners should have received a service email (The week of June 17, 2024) with information on an update to remove the over-speed warning. It will require a dealer service to reflash the system. (Sorry, no OTA option.)
Well done, sir!! Very thorough and unbiased and practical. I have a Trialmaster and it is truly amazing. I’ve done some very serious courses and it just eats it up. Absolutely love it.
A few mistakes. The Hill Decent Control adjusts up/down by the cruise control buttons, just the same as BMW's. Second the straight six in this Grenadier is the most reliable turbocharged 6 cylinder in Toyota's arsenal at the present. The new Land Cruiser may be the risky purchase.
Great review and very fair one ! I think the Ineos is so sweet but he is so correct that it is not for everyone , Too many channels try to make it the all around perfect truck that does all then bash it . Kudos for one of the best reviews out .
Great video. Your production quality, and content are excellent! One of the best overall reviews of the Grenadier that I've seen. It would be cool to see another with one properly equipped with lockers, etc.
ineos didn't choose to put the driver assistance tools on. Its an EU requirement from 7th July 2024. All new cars from the EU have to have it from then. And it cannot be disabled. Apparently, the US is looking at adopting similar but at a later date. Ineos are reported to have a software update coming specifically for the US to make it possible to disable and remember that .
Since it’s not required here, it should not have been included in models sold here. (Also note that the Defenders ADAS is much more pleasant sounding. Ineos picked an annoying click which was a bad choice.) In addition to making an annoying noise the Grenadier constantly misread street speeds. But that is not unique to the Grenadier. Vehicles just seem to have a hard time reading speed signs correctly in the United States. They all mess up.
Great Review, Impressed with Fieldmaster with just a Center lock and simple electronic slip control plus base Bridgestone AT tire and how it compared to the GX550 and LandRover Defender 110 heavy electronics controls on your mountain courses.
You pull the seat bottom up against the front seats then you pull down the back seat. Roof Racks are no good for residential garage doors. This 4X4 is very tall and you will hit the top of the garage door frame. After I measured I deleted the Rino-Rack. Reply
This is a really balanced review, Ryan. I don’t think I’ve seen your channel before. Just a couple of details (like speed adjustment on Downhill Assist), but pretty well researched and evaluated against the design objectives and intended buyer criteria. Way better than most of what I’ve seen, with the exception of hardcore specialists like Dirtbox or Ronny Dahl - and for a more general audience. Also really nice production quality. Very funny you did this on a Fieldmaster - you’ll have to test out the Trialmaster and take it up a notch on the course - that would be fun. I guess what a lot of people miss on the reviews is how to think about it, and based on that frame, to appropriately evaluate it. People are so used to the softer road-oriented SUV’s that have maybe been modified with a lift and bigger wheels, that they just don’t know how to process the Grenadier experience. But what would you do if you were driving a Unimog? It would make no sense to whine about return to center or turning radius. It’s a machine built for a specific purpose and buyer. These things aren’t quirks in design - they are the result of the engineering that HAS to be the way it is to achieve the design brief. So for those of us who want that (and by definition it’s not a large group), we’re actually kind of surprised it’s as smooth and “civilized” as it is - but that’s just the cherry on top for us. You did a nice job capturing that.
These are not cheap, but i appreciate that Ineos went for practicality and not full lux. With the state of car prices, this is good value, and somewhat attainable for normal people.
Congratulation on this review! I just loved it, including the video and audio quality, impressive job! It brought me to my childhood memories in Europe where would virtually go anywhere we wanted with a Defender, seating in the back bench seats. I was considering buying a 4Runner TRD Pro as I felt it had the best off-road capabilities in the US market. Nevertheless, seeing the Ineos I am now doubting. I would really like to ask you whether you would be able to make an off road test video comparing the top 2-3 4x4 with the best off road capabilities. I believe it would be really interesting to know the Top of the Top in the US. It's a pity that most options are SUVs or trucks and that old school 4x4 are mostly gone in the market but I believe Ineos came to fill this gap of small off-road enthusiasts!
The Grenadier downhill assist speed is set and controlled with the cruise control +/-, and the trip computer is controlled by the end of turn signal stem. It toggles in the tiny “remaining range” box.
Was on the fence and have been a toyota fan for years but ultimately decided to go with the Grenny. After several test drives of the new LC i was just left unimpressed, maybe it was the hype but felt what they produced for the US was very divergent from what the nameplate stood for. Everything about the IG screams intentional design, quality, and passion to be the best at what it is supposed to be. Definitely not the right vertical for everyone and i would argue not for most, you said it best that is a niche vehicle but for those of us who can appreciate it there is nothing like it! Hit me up if you ever need a wheeling companion in North Bend
Great video. Great angle, great settings. You're getting better and better. And the explanation of the vehicle in detail. By the way, nice story about the background and creation of the Grenadier.
Ineos should give these to it's 1st-team players at Manchester United. Chevy gave them Camaros years ago, just a a sponsor... so Inoes could easily do the same as partial owners. But I had no idea Ineos was making cars, guess they've got thier hands in a lot of things. As always, great episode from DSTV!
Bloody terrific channel, and such balanced views on the vehicles that you’re reviewing makes a fresh change from so many other ego-fueled “critiquers” as opposed to valid reviewers such as yourself. The Land Rovers that we used on the farm were Series I & II, so seeing the plush accomodation the Ineos owners get is sweet music to my kidneys!😏
The next Grenadier refresh must address the lack of horizontal boot space when rear seats fold. If the 4Runner of old could do that, so should the Grenadier. That is a must for me for adventures.
I like what they have done and hopefully they will expand their dealership network and work out all the software bug's on there lockers , I pulling for them
I test drove one back in march. kind of like it: the look, fit and finish. Steering takes sometime to get used to. will be nice if they offer lease option.
Cararro front steering axles are fitted to most Mcormick, Claas, some Massey Ferguson tractors among others. Many have suspension, some have oil cooled disc brakes and almost all have large planetary hub final drives so that the axle components can run faster, thus be subject to less torque, allowing lighter shafts and other components all the way back through the [usually] centrally placed axle diff and back to the transfer box. They all have open knuckles with double universal joints for a constant velocity of the shafts. The steering lock, including the grenadier, is limited by the maximum safe running angle of the UJ’s times two.
Another great review! Idk, I still can't love the look of this truck. Just saw it in person 2 days ago. It's like a half Land Rover half Jeep lol. Maybe some day it will grow on me.
You can control HDC via the cruise control buttons in steering wheel. I believe you can go as slow as 1.5mph. Also, you can put in manual mode, 1 st gear. It locks in first and engine compression handles the speed.
@drivingsports the cruise control buttons are global so everything is KM. So if you want to slowdown 1mph, you have ro click the button 2 times when highway driving. I believe you need to hit button 4 times in off road mode.
Dude, the seats do fold flat. You need to flip up the bottom first. Also, it is strange that you did not mention that it can be optioned with front and rear lockers.
He did mention the lockers, at 34:45 in the video. He didn’t go into detail but he talked about making it even more off-road capable by optioning it up with KO2’s and lockers. Agree he could have been more explicit, but it is there.
@@spenceralridge4958 except that he makes the explicate point at the end that it does not have lockers. It's clearly gives the impression that the Ineos does not have them. The only thing it does not have for off roading is disconnectable sway bars.
Yes, but not required for the USA. The Defender comes with it enabled, but lets you disable it. Ineos did tell me after filming they now have a reflash coming soon to fix the issue for American drivers. Dealer-installed update.
Upon second viewing you mentioned you couldn’t find a trip odometer. At the end of the turn signal stock is a button that toggles through programmable information including a trip odometer current MPG and stuff like that.
I know not apples to apples comparison, but curious your opinion on this compared to your Ranger Raptor, and the relative capabilities and "fun" factor. I was seriously considering a Grenadier, and the Raptor peaked my interest, still considering both. Loved this review and was seriously impressed at your driving without lockers and essentially street tires.
You had me till you said the great thing about the ineos that it isn't a Toyota, dude this is a big statement especially when talking about off-roading
Great review, I agree with you, I wish all manufactures would incorporate the "Toot" feature. I hope you review the Ineos electric version when it arrives. I would go with Toyota due to Ineos' unique parts, dealer locations, and as anybody knows, NEVER buy the first edition of any vehicle. Plus this is a brand new manufacturer.
Hey Ryan, why don't you do some actual reseach? INEOS did not decide on ADAS... it is the law in Europe now. if you are going to test off road, then one would assume, you would actually use the trim level (with lockers) made for doing so and not the post version for around the village.but kudos to you over all for getting off road unlike 90% of reviews. My Grennie will aarive in Sept built up in custom configurator with steelies and lockers rear AND front.
This isn’t Europe. It should come with it off or at least the option to turn it off. We review as delivered. I did speak to the rep about it and he made a short cut on the test car to turn it off, but you have to do a button sequence every time the car starts. No mention of an update. (Not saying it doesn’t exist just the rep from Ineos didn’t mention it.)The Defender has the same ADAS feature, but it can be turned off permanently, which is how the Grenadier should have arrived. Side note on ADAS: every single car I’ve tested incorrectly identifies road speeds at some point. Not sure if it’s because the US signs aren’t as standard as other countries or what. But the Grenadier (and others) often think some of the streets near me are 25 when they’re 35, 55 when they’re 70, etc. Until cars can correctly and accurately identify street speeds in the USA that feature should not exist on any vehicle sold in the USA.
@@drivingsportsBryan is like the pitbull of the Grenadier owner’s community. We have him chained in the front yard with a “Beware of Bryan” sign - right next to the “Warning - Protected by 2nd Amendment Security” sign. I JUST had my Grenadier at the dealer last week to have some stuff done and they didn’t offer a software update to permanently disable the speed alert. On the other hand, and this is SUPER IMPORTANT for the full Grenadier experience, this means every time I start it, I get to do a whole “pre-flight checklist” and push buttons and flip switches while playing “Danger Zone” on full blast. I am thinking of starting to wear aviators - maybe grow out a mullet???
The GX is not comparable at all. But nothing is. Watch Dirtbox Overland’s review and Ronny Dahl. The design and purpose of this car is not GX like at all. Nor is it super mod Rock crawling jeep. It’s an off-road tourer, period. Not a luxury vehicle that can go off-road.
@@RRr-yl8zr Cheaper than some Chevy Tahoe’s or Yukons, first edition 250 “Land Cruiser” Significantly cheaper than a jeep 392 or Bronco Raptor and in many respects, frame, axles, high pinion diffs……better.
@@RRr-yl8zr Agreed. But overpriced is relative. High Pinion Double Cardan axles, a frame with the dimensions of a 1 ton truck, steering components beefier than most aftermarket JL parts, payload, towing capacity, 500 amp auxiliary electrics and on and on set the Grenadier off dramatically and everything is more costly to manufacture than luxury accessories.
I would love to see a side by side off road comparison between the Trialmaster and the Wrangler Rubicon. I have been curious about the axles...I remember trying to find the axle shaft diameter, ring gear diameter etc. I was just curious if there was a Dana axle that had similar dimensions. I love the Grenadier, but my Outback Wilderness is all I can afford...and honestly, anything above that for me would be overkill.
i have a heavily modded 4runner but i want that grenadier bad. While i believe the BMW engine in the grenadier is the most reliable BMW engine currently makes, i rather wait and see how the reliability is fairing after a few years on the road.
Seat adjustments are manual as they wanted to keep things as simple as possible. As he navigates through all the screens looking at tire temps, slip angles, blinker fluid levels…
Good review, and you hit the mark, it is not like anything else on the market. If viewers really want to know what the Grenadier is all about watch Ronny Dahl and Dirtbox Overland.
Toyota refused to bring the 70 Series Land Cruiser (solid front axle) to the U.S. market because they didn't think it would sell well. Toyota deems it too raw for American taste. Ineos is proving the demand is there if you do it right.
Acoustic warning for exceeding speed limits unfortunately have become mandatory for new cars in Europe due to some EU legislation. And it is required to do at least 3 operating steps to deactivate it. Enjoy your freedom in the US!
Question: Does Ineos have any plans to do Safari versions with removable roofs or large openings? Thats the one thing I would need with something like this, that and a pass through from the front to back seats.
They just launched the Quartermaster (very expensive in US due to chicken tax), and announced a new customization line - “Arcane” - rumor is that Arcane will offer interior pass-through mods for roof-top tents. But some people are just having that done on aftermarket.
Just curious...won't the Recardo seats be severely damaged if water in the cabin rises high enough to submerge the seat bottoms/heating elements, even if the heaters are turned off?
When you turn on the Wading mode, it actually turns off the heated seats but hopefully you’re not getting water in that much or else you stopped in the water and lost your front wake. Risk for any vehicle. :/
It is surprising that they went with that old-school rear seat design, when turning one's SUV into a slepp-inside overlander is such a big trend. I guess they decided those who want to can just DIY a platform to level things out back there to sleep, and given the high ceiling height, that option's not a bad one. Still plenty of room to sit up back there, even with a platform install.
Over 90k cad for this and it’s missing a lot of standard features. Having the no speedo is pretty dumb. Taking that away and then adding a speed limiter noise is weird. Like you said for them not going with the Dana and going with the tractor one is not ideal for North Americans. Trying to get the parts from Europe not idea.
Depends on the LC - my Toyota dealer told me first edition plus dealer markup, lift and wheels (it only has 8.5” clearance) would run me $100k. So I got a bargain on my nicely spec’d Grenadier!
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc I'd get a 1958 trim LC and do a lift, wheels, and steel front bumper w/winch. Realistically, I'd get a used one in 5-10 years, so no dealer markup. I currently have a 4Runner (got used) and prefer the look of the new LC over the new 4Runner, but if I could find a used Grenadier in 5-10 years, that would be very tempting! The Grenadier is a very impressive vehicle, it's awesome you got one!
@@sunroomstudios8487my guess is there will be a bit of turnover in 2-3 years - the idiots in Florida and LA that bought it for looks and prestige - they should not be driving it and will quickly tire of it.
@@sunroomstudios8487 smart - the markup on LC’s and the top OR trims on the Taco are mortal sin level right now. And I agree with you - personally, I prefer the older designs on both, and the LC probably looks a little better than the new 4Runner. I know there’s a lot of power in the new engine, but just super bummed they went with the 4 for the LC. That was kind of the nail in the coffin for me. The low clearance, the IFS, and then the 4 hybrid.
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Your channel is so legit. The video quality, the presentation... The production quality is cable TV level, like Top Gear , etc.
Reminds me of Saturday mornings as a kid watching Power Block with all the car shows. This channel has sort of a MotorWeek feel to it
Agreed
@@chrisridebike8 I think you nailed it with MotorWeek. Very similar vibe.
I'm not sure why but my wife and I never miss the opportunity to say "legs torso proportionate" in unison with Ryan 😂
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Hold up…Ryan FINALLY got a sponsor from OnX. It’s about time.
First review I've seen that actually talked about where the axles came from. Nice. I'm happy with the 4Runner I currently own, but a million miles from now when road salt has rotted it to death, it'll be nice to have another option in the market to consider. Granted it's a bit of a jump in price. This is quickly becoming my favorite review channel.
There used to be something similar made in Romania believe it or not. They went out of business.
Ryan - you can adjust the downhill assist speed using the cruise control "+" and "-" buttons. FYI for future reference.
UPDATE: I just spoke to Ineos and they say owners should have received a service email (The week of June 17, 2024) with information on an update to remove the over-speed warning. It will require a dealer service to reflash the system. (Sorry, no OTA option.)
Thanks for the update Ryan. I do think this is one of most complete reviews out there. Keep it up. Regards.
@@BryanPikewe will be getting a Quartermaster and a Trialmaster to film in the coming months as well.
@@drivingsportslet’s talk about using my Grenadier!
That feature is mandatory in the EU for new vehicles now. Probably why it's in there by default.
@@drivingsportsCan't wait!
Well done, sir!! Very thorough and unbiased and practical. I have a Trialmaster and it is truly amazing. I’ve done some very serious courses and it just eats it up. Absolutely love it.
Now I love to see a Defender on the new off-road course.
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Nicely done! I have watched several videos about the Grenadier and just learned more from yours than all the others combined!
You can lift the back seat bottoms before lowering the seat backs.
Super cool vehicle, glad you guys finally got your hands on one. Been waiting for this video!
A few mistakes. The Hill Decent Control adjusts up/down by the cruise control buttons, just the same as BMW's. Second the straight six in this Grenadier is the most reliable turbocharged 6 cylinder in Toyota's arsenal at the present. The new Land Cruiser may be the risky purchase.
Possibly. Time will tell.
@@drivingsports time has already told
Great review and very fair one ! I think the Ineos is so sweet but he is so correct that it is not for everyone , Too many channels try to make it the all around perfect truck that does all then bash it . Kudos for one of the best reviews out .
Why does TFL have more subscribers than this channel?
Tfl are terrible presenters
@@JJ-mh3hb exactly my point
This is the best channel for real reviews
Don't be fanboi.
TFL guys are obnoxious. this channel rocks.
Great video. Your production quality, and content are excellent! One of the best overall reviews of the Grenadier that I've seen. It would be cool to see another with one properly equipped with lockers, etc.
Honda S2000s have the service position for the prop rod too! I do wish the Grenadier added a small screen in front of the driver… Nice review as ever!
ineos didn't choose to put the driver assistance tools on. Its an EU requirement from 7th July 2024. All new cars from the EU have to have it from then. And it cannot be disabled. Apparently, the US is looking at adopting similar but at a later date. Ineos are reported to have a software update coming specifically for the US to make it possible to disable and remember that
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Since it’s not required here, it should not have been included in models sold here. (Also note that the Defenders ADAS is much more pleasant sounding. Ineos picked an annoying click which was a bad choice.) In addition to making an annoying noise the Grenadier constantly misread street speeds. But that is not unique to the Grenadier. Vehicles just seem to have a hard time reading speed signs correctly in the United States. They all mess up.
Great Review, Impressed with Fieldmaster with just a Center lock and simple electronic slip control plus base Bridgestone AT tire and how it compared to the GX550 and LandRover Defender 110 heavy electronics controls on your mountain courses.
You pull the seat bottom up against the front seats then you pull down the back seat. Roof Racks are no good for residential garage doors. This 4X4 is very tall and you will hit the top of the garage door frame. After I measured I deleted the Rino-Rack.
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This is a really balanced review, Ryan. I don’t think I’ve seen your channel before. Just a couple of details (like speed adjustment on Downhill Assist), but pretty well researched and evaluated against the design objectives and intended buyer criteria. Way better than most of what I’ve seen, with the exception of hardcore specialists like Dirtbox or Ronny Dahl - and for a more general audience. Also really nice production quality. Very funny you did this on a Fieldmaster - you’ll have to test out the Trialmaster and take it up a notch on the course - that would be fun. I guess what a lot of people miss on the reviews is how to think about it, and based on that frame, to appropriately evaluate it. People are so used to the softer road-oriented SUV’s that have maybe been modified with a lift and bigger wheels, that they just don’t know how to process the Grenadier experience. But what would you do if you were driving a Unimog? It would make no sense to whine about return to center or turning radius. It’s a machine built for a specific purpose and buyer. These things aren’t quirks in design - they are the result of the engineering that HAS to be the way it is to achieve the design brief. So for those of us who want that (and by definition it’s not a large group), we’re actually kind of surprised it’s as smooth and “civilized” as it is - but that’s just the cherry on top for us. You did a nice job capturing that.
These are not cheap, but i appreciate that Ineos went for practicality and not full lux. With the state of car prices, this is good value, and somewhat attainable for normal people.
I was wandering when you take it for off road review. And there it is. Great review. Greetings
Congratulation on this review! I just loved it, including the video and audio quality, impressive job! It brought me to my childhood memories in Europe where would virtually go anywhere we wanted with a Defender, seating in the back bench seats. I was considering buying a 4Runner TRD Pro as I felt it had the best off-road capabilities in the US market. Nevertheless, seeing the Ineos I am now doubting. I would really like to ask you whether you would be able to make an off road test video comparing the top 2-3 4x4 with the best off road capabilities. I believe it would be really interesting to know the Top of the Top in the US. It's a pity that most options are SUVs or trucks and that old school 4x4 are mostly gone in the market but I believe Ineos came to fill this gap of small off-road enthusiasts!
The Grenadier downhill assist speed is set and controlled with the cruise control +/-, and the trip computer is controlled by the end of turn signal stem. It toggles in the tiny “remaining range” box.
Was on the fence and have been a toyota fan for years but ultimately decided to go with the Grenny. After several test drives of the new LC i was just left unimpressed, maybe it was the hype but felt what they produced for the US was very divergent from what the nameplate stood for. Everything about the IG screams intentional design, quality, and passion to be the best at what it is supposed to be. Definitely not the right vertical for everyone and i would argue not for most, you said it best that is a niche vehicle but for those of us who can appreciate it there is nothing like it! Hit me up if you ever need a wheeling companion in North Bend
Fantastic channel.I’m not sure why you don’t have more subscribers.
Really enjoyed the video!
Great video. Great angle, great settings. You're getting better and better. And the explanation of the vehicle in detail. By the way, nice story about the background and creation of the Grenadier.
Ineos should give these to it's 1st-team players at Manchester United. Chevy gave them Camaros years ago, just a a sponsor... so Inoes could easily do the same as partial owners. But I had no idea Ineos was making cars, guess they've got thier hands in a lot of things. As always, great episode from DSTV!
Cool safari vehicle, and great driving. I wouldn't personally want one but i can see the appeal.
Does look like the classic Defender. Her Majesty would have approved.
Bloody terrific channel, and such balanced views on the vehicles that you’re reviewing makes a fresh change from so many other ego-fueled “critiquers” as opposed to valid reviewers such as yourself.
The Land Rovers that we used on the farm were Series I & II, so seeing the plush accomodation the Ineos owners get is sweet music to my kidneys!😏
Great review!!!
I saw one of these behind me in Silverdale yesterday afternoon. Looks cool up close.
Oddly enough, I actually saw one of these on the road down in Riverside County in southern California a few weeks ago.
The next Grenadier refresh must address the lack of horizontal boot space when rear seats fold. If the 4Runner of old could do that, so should the Grenadier. That is a must for me for adventures.
That unfortunately isn't going to happen due to the electronics being under the seat and to do so will require a redesign of the vehicle
I like what they have done and hopefully they will expand their dealership network and work out all the software bug's on there lockers , I pulling for them
I test drove one back in march. kind of like it: the look, fit and finish. Steering takes sometime to get used to. will be nice if they offer lease option.
I actually see quite a few of these on the road. And I don't live in a popular area.
Cararro front steering axles are fitted to most Mcormick, Claas, some Massey Ferguson tractors among others. Many have suspension, some have oil cooled disc brakes and almost all have large planetary hub final drives so that the axle components can run faster, thus be subject to less torque, allowing lighter shafts and other components all the way back through the [usually] centrally placed axle diff and back to the transfer box. They all have open knuckles with double universal joints for a constant velocity of the shafts. The steering lock, including the grenadier, is limited by the maximum safe running angle of the UJ’s times two.
Another great review! Idk, I still can't love the look of this truck. Just saw it in person 2 days ago. It's like a half Land Rover half Jeep lol. Maybe some day it will grow on me.
You can control HDC via the cruise control buttons in steering wheel. I believe you can go as slow as 1.5mph. Also, you can put in manual mode, 1 st gear. It locks in first and engine compression handles the speed.
I tried adjusting with the cruise control buttons off camera and it didn’t do anything.
@drivingsports the cruise control buttons are global so everything is KM. So if you want to slowdown 1mph, you have ro click the button 2 times when highway driving. I believe you need to hit button 4 times in off road mode.
nice.
was looking forward to.
Dude, the seats do fold flat. You need to flip up the bottom first. Also, it is strange that you did not mention that it can be optioned with front and rear lockers.
He did mention the lockers, at 34:45 in the video. He didn’t go into detail but he talked about making it even more off-road capable by optioning it up with KO2’s and lockers. Agree he could have been more explicit, but it is there.
And again at 37:20
@@spenceralridge4958 except that he makes the explicate point at the end that it does not have lockers.
It's clearly gives the impression that the Ineos does not have them.
The only thing it does not have for off roading is disconnectable sway bars.
@@pablomax9376- He explicitly says they are available. No impression needed.
I’m already seeing these almost daily driving around the Dallas/Fort Worth area.
The speed warning is a regulatory feature in the UK and Europe for ALL new vehicles, so I’d imagine that is why it’s programmed in here
Yes, but not required for the USA. The Defender comes with it enabled, but lets you disable it. Ineos did tell me after filming they now have a reflash coming soon to fix the issue for American drivers. Dealer-installed update.
The Ineos for me !!
Hill Descent speed is controlled by the toggle on the steering wheel. You aren’t limited to 3mph, you can go down to 1 mph and up as far as you want.
Upon second viewing you mentioned you couldn’t find a trip odometer. At the end of the turn signal stock is a button that toggles through programmable information including a trip odometer current MPG and stuff like that.
I know not apples to apples comparison, but curious your opinion on this compared to your Ranger Raptor, and the relative capabilities and "fun" factor. I was seriously considering a Grenadier, and the Raptor peaked my interest, still considering both. Loved this review and was seriously impressed at your driving without lockers and essentially street tires.
Fusilier is pronounced “fuse-il-leer”
Love the show by the way!!
Love your work , I live in the Seattle area would’ve you mine sharing you trail locations ?
These are our private filming trails. This one is based outside of Ellensburg.
Thanks!
To climb the hill better to activate diff locks, nice car ! Best regards!
This trim doesn’t have the diff locks.
You had me till you said the great thing about the ineos that it isn't a Toyota, dude this is a big statement especially when talking about off-roading
I love the camera buckled up in the back. Precious cargo!
Great review, I agree with you, I wish all manufactures would incorporate the "Toot" feature. I hope you review the Ineos electric version when it arrives. I would go with Toyota due to Ineos' unique parts, dealer locations, and as anybody knows, NEVER buy the first edition of any vehicle. Plus this is a brand new manufacturer.
Hey Ryan, why don't you do some actual reseach? INEOS did not decide on ADAS... it is the law in Europe now. if you are going to test off road, then one would assume, you would actually use the trim level (with lockers) made for doing so and not the post version for around the village.but kudos to you over all for getting off road unlike 90% of reviews. My Grennie will aarive in Sept built up in custom configurator with steelies and lockers rear AND front.
This isn’t Europe. It should come with it off or at least the option to turn it off. We review as delivered. I did speak to the rep about it and he made a short cut on the test car to turn it off, but you have to do a button sequence every time the car starts. No mention of an update. (Not saying it doesn’t exist just the rep from Ineos didn’t mention it.)The Defender has the same ADAS feature, but it can be turned off permanently, which is how the Grenadier should have arrived. Side note on ADAS: every single car I’ve tested incorrectly identifies road speeds at some point. Not sure if it’s because the US signs aren’t as standard as other countries or what. But the Grenadier (and others) often think some of the streets near me are 25 when they’re 35, 55 when they’re 70, etc. Until cars can correctly and accurately identify street speeds in the USA that feature should not exist on any vehicle sold in the USA.
@@drivingsportsBryan is like the pitbull of the Grenadier owner’s community. We have him chained in the front yard with a “Beware of Bryan” sign - right next to the “Warning - Protected by 2nd Amendment Security” sign. I JUST had my Grenadier at the dealer last week to have some stuff done and they didn’t offer a software update to permanently disable the speed alert. On the other hand, and this is SUPER IMPORTANT for the full Grenadier experience, this means every time I start it, I get to do a whole “pre-flight checklist” and push buttons and flip switches while playing “Danger Zone” on full blast. I am thinking of starting to wear aviators - maybe grow out a mullet???
Bahahaaaaaa
@@BryanPikeoh Lord, he’s loose!!!
A closer comparison would be against the GX 550 Overtrail- both 6 cylinders, ATRAC and KDSS v solid axle 5 link suspension and equivalent pricing.
The GX is not comparable at all. But nothing is. Watch Dirtbox Overland’s review and Ronny Dahl. The design and purpose of this car is not GX like at all. Nor is it super mod Rock crawling jeep. It’s an off-road tourer, period. Not a luxury vehicle that can go off-road.
@@RRr-yl8zr Cheaper than some Chevy Tahoe’s or Yukons, first edition 250 “Land Cruiser” Significantly cheaper than a jeep 392 or Bronco Raptor and in many respects, frame, axles, high pinion diffs……better.
@@RRr-yl8zr Agreed. But overpriced is relative. High Pinion Double Cardan axles, a frame with the dimensions of a 1 ton truck, steering components beefier than most aftermarket JL parts, payload, towing capacity, 500 amp auxiliary electrics and on and on set the Grenadier off dramatically and everything is more costly to manufacture than luxury accessories.
I would love to see a side by side off road comparison between the Trialmaster and the Wrangler Rubicon. I have been curious about the axles...I remember trying to find the axle shaft diameter, ring gear diameter etc. I was just curious if there was a Dana axle that had similar dimensions.
I love the Grenadier, but my Outback Wilderness is all I can afford...and honestly, anything above that for me would be overkill.
Hopefully you can get a hold of that Grenadier again in the winter and take it through your course in winter conditions.
I think I'd be willing to see mine go through the course in winter. '24 Trialmaster @Driving Sports TV
Eagerly waiting for your Land Cruiser 😊
Much better off road course than TFL’s!
FYI: the speed limit warning indicator is a EU mandated thing.
“…window de-frogers…” sold.
Great review but the MPG is a bit of a coffin nail.
The one time you drive through a hurricane, you'll wish you had de-froggers.
i have a heavily modded 4runner but i want that grenadier bad. While i believe the BMW engine in the grenadier is the most reliable BMW engine currently makes, i rather wait and see how the reliability is fairing after a few years on the road.
Thank you for the video! Do you still have your Toyota 4Runner?
Great video. Awesome vehicle
Defender 2.0 is the new Defender
Man that land cruiser looks much better
It has a mouse motor
Seat adjustments are manual as they wanted to keep things as simple as possible. As he navigates through all the screens looking at tire temps, slip angles, blinker fluid levels…
Need to release a manual gear version.
Good review, and you hit the mark, it is not like anything else on the market. If viewers really want to know what the Grenadier is all about watch Ronny Dahl and Dirtbox Overland.
The speed warning feature is due to the latest EU regulations. But it beats me why it's enabled on US-spec Grenadiers.
Toyota refused to bring the 70 Series Land Cruiser (solid front axle) to the U.S. market because they didn't think it would sell well. Toyota deems it too raw for American taste. Ineos is proving the demand is there if you do it right.
What about the recurring ac issues?
The speed limit alarm can be turned off. Its EU mandatory stuff.
Does the hill descent control vary the speed if you use your cruise control up/down like other vehicles?
Yes!
About time!
Buy one
P.s. you can turn off that speed nanny, and it has tripmeters. RTM.
I will definitely buy a wrangler 392 instead
What the cheapest stock road-legal vehicle you think can do your whole course? Super curious!
Acoustic warning for exceeding speed limits unfortunately have become mandatory for new cars in Europe due to some EU legislation. And it is required to do at least 3 operating steps to deactivate it.
Enjoy your freedom in the US!
Ineos!
Grenadier has the diesel engine option but I doubt it is coming to the States.
I have seen them in real life, they are beautiful, id probably just go with a resto Defender for the price tag.
Friend does them (Defender restomods). Routinely charges 150-225, depending on the spec. Makes a GWagen look affordable.
You spend more time on the road to and from off-road destinations. I would want all the safety features.
I like it
German kw has a solution to add more steering response.
I get the not complaining about daily driver things because it isn't a daily driver, but it's also very expensive.
Question: Does Ineos have any plans to do Safari versions with removable roofs or large openings? Thats the one thing I would need with something like this, that and a pass through from the front to back seats.
They just launched the Quartermaster (very expensive in US due to chicken tax), and announced a new customization line - “Arcane” - rumor is that Arcane will offer interior pass-through mods for roof-top tents. But some people are just having that done on aftermarket.
INEOS with no hesitation
Just curious...won't the Recardo seats be severely damaged if water in the cabin rises high enough to submerge the seat bottoms/heating elements, even if the heaters are turned off?
Yes. But on the upside your vehicle won’t short out and be stranded in the water.
Put it in rice.
Supposedly the cabin is sealed to disallow water entry for one hour at the 31” or whatever depth. Great if you can recover without opening the door.
When you turn on the Wading mode, it actually turns off the heated seats but hopefully you’re not getting water in that much or else you stopped in the water and lost your front wake. Risk for any vehicle. :/
It is surprising that they went with that old-school rear seat design, when turning one's SUV into a slepp-inside overlander is such a big trend. I guess they decided those who want to can just DIY a platform to level things out back there to sleep, and given the high ceiling height, that option's not a bad one. Still plenty of room to sit up back there, even with a platform install.
Great professional review. One of the best. Too bad you didn’t have a trialmaster.
Over 90k cad for this and it’s missing a lot of standard features. Having the no speedo is pretty dumb. Taking that away and then adding a speed limiter noise is weird. Like you said for them not going with the Dana and going with the tractor one is not ideal for North Americans. Trying to get the parts from Europe not idea.
Too bad they didn’t have the option for the diesel like Australia does
Land Cruiser has the better value, but the look of the Grenadier is so much better.
Depends on the LC - my Toyota dealer told me first edition plus dealer markup, lift and wheels (it only has 8.5” clearance) would run me $100k. So I got a bargain on my nicely spec’d Grenadier!
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc I'd get a 1958 trim LC and do a lift, wheels, and steel front bumper w/winch. Realistically, I'd get a used one in 5-10 years, so no dealer markup. I currently have a 4Runner (got used) and prefer the look of the new LC over the new 4Runner, but if I could find a used Grenadier in 5-10 years, that would be very tempting! The Grenadier is a very impressive vehicle, it's awesome you got one!
@@sunroomstudios8487my guess is there will be a bit of turnover in 2-3 years - the idiots in Florida and LA that bought it for looks and prestige - they should not be driving it and will quickly tire of it.
@@sunroomstudios8487 smart - the markup on LC’s and the top OR trims on the Taco are mortal sin level right now. And I agree with you - personally, I prefer the older designs on both, and the LC probably looks a little better than the new 4Runner. I know there’s a lot of power in the new engine, but just super bummed they went with the 4 for the LC. That was kind of the nail in the coffin for me. The low clearance, the IFS, and then the 4 hybrid.
It has a mouse motor