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#LoL #BestAbilities #Top - Ігри
This is a very interesting experiment, never seen a video like this one before. Now I fear that Vars just made a guide to Riot for it's next top lanner. XD
The amount of research really shows just in the outline of the rules themselves, but when you take the actual content of the analisis into account it becomes a a very complete study.
I love that you explaned how each of the abilities would interact with each other to make them much better than they are in their original kits and how they are not broken because of the limitations of those kits.
Funny you say that. I chose this series thinking it wouldn't take as much time as my why no one plays videos, since I'm still recovering from burnout. Little did I know, editing and researching this took many more hours than WNOP 😅
@@VarsVerum Classic case of Hofstadter's law, been there XD. Hope that it at least helped with the burnout
@@TheDeltaMC We have a rule in game design called the 90/90 rule. The first 90% of a project takes 90% of the time, the last 10% of a project also takes 90% of the time. Therefore requiring you to overestimate your time budget to avoid this outcome XD
I think a broken champion would have:
Camille's passive
Camille's q
Camille's w
Camille's e
And
Camille's ult
camille ult is pretty shit, if i were to pick i would pick darius passive + r.
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518 ahh that's where you're wrong, I used to main Camille and let me tell you, percentage health damage, invulnerability and the ability to trap anyone of your choosing it goes well with her kit, whereas a Darius ult doesn't give invulnerability and needs his passive stacked so Camille ult is 100% not bad
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518 ah yes a smaller morde ult Camille can leave and that deals damage equal to 2 items for free. Very balanced.
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518 Idk about the ult, but Camille passive is super good
wym camille q is chogath r bro
Kennen's Passive + Singed's Q
Let that sink in
Singed's q is so iconic and makes him arguably the most unique champion to date.
kennen passive works on 4 instances of dmg. not on ticks. :)
@@rotinvredeThis is kenne's passive:
Kennen's abilities apply a stack of Mark of the Storm to affected enemies for 6 seconds, stacking up to 3 times, with the duration refreshing upon applying the second stack. Upon applying 3 stacks to a target, the stacks are consumed to stun them for 1.25 seconds and restore 25 energy. If the Stun is applied to a target more than once within 6 seconds, its duration is reduced to 0.5 seconds.
it is essentially saying that it applies on any ability the champion has , doesn't mention any where that it excludes ticks or that the attacks must be unique like in electrocute for example .
what the fuck does the sink want now?
It says kennen’s abilities apply mark of the storm. It says nothing about singed’s abilities doing the same thing.
Passive - Ionian Fervour
Q - Bladesurge
W - Defiant Dance
E - Flawless Duet
R - Vanguard's Edge
Yea I can imagine fighter who can get a shield 9times in one fight, have 3 cc's invournerability, gap closer and 5s of "no fuck you I'm not dying" prolly I'd perma ban it
6* seconds EDIT: nvm 5. But it feels like 9
@@VarsVerum I swear I feel like tryndamere and Morgana can warp time
@@VarsVerum It would be 6 since fiora W is also "fuck you I'm not dying"
@@BlubiDefault actually 5.75 seconds :P the W of fiora last of 0.75 seconds
Probably low damage because there is only 1 damaging ability tho.
Imagine giving someone Yuumi's W
Ive got you fam
Leona passive
Xerath Q
Yuumi W
Kartush E
Amumu R
You are perma attached to an ally and that ally has kartush e since you are attached to them and poke with xerath Q and your anchor can move while you use amumu R
This on any adc, and with an unkillable support ! When you are about to die, just hop on your allies to get to safety xDDD
veigar passive
@@joekenwood4956 i think it use too much mana, i know that kartush e giving you mana when you kill entity but it's so small amout of mana compared to mana it use
(I'm not good at english i'm sosorry if i can't spell it collect use wrong grammars or use wrong words)
Tahm Kench gives everyone Yuumi's W
This is the most stacked champion I've ever seen
It would be more stacked with Nasus Q
There's actually debatably only 149 of each W's and E's, because Aphelios exists
Remember that there are actually 153 champs.
but also, some of them have 2 sets of basic abilities
There’s also people who have passive abilities like vayne. So some champs only have 2 abilities and their ult
He has a w
Aphelios has a W
salty that garen's Q didnt get an honorable mention. Damage, Silence, movement boost, slow removal, no mana cost, auto reset.
Its still worse than chogath ult on 6 secon cd, or multiple recasts like riven or aatrox
It's still worse than many Q's. I main Shen and never really have a problem with Garen Q because you can tell when it will hit and I just activate my Q beforehand and then his silence is useless. Plus silence is worth much less in top lane compared to habilities like shen W and jax's E that block auto attacks.
Sylas can actually manually slam the tentacles with his W just like illaoi.
What? I didn’t know that
@@BittenKitten yes similar to he can go invisible with vayne ult with his q. However, the animation of his q last almost as long as the invis so you don't really get much use out of it except hiding the Q hitbox.
there are 149 e's cause aphelios doesnt hav E
Correction, Shapeshifters such as Nidalee, Jayce, Gnar and Elise have twice the abilities, so twice the E's.
Another correction: Kai’Sa, Kha’zix, and Kayle evolve their Es so even more.
@@AuburnInAutumn ? Those are the same abilities with additional effects LOL.
@@EnergonVlada next you’re gonna tell me Senna Q and Lucian Q are the same spell but additional effects.
@@AuburnInAutumn How the fuck do Senna and Lucian Q have to do with Evolving abilities? Are you that stupid?
Just the passive + q combo made me blink repeatedly at the sheer implications
Sounds like a perma ban to me.
hidden passive :
this champion does not appear on the enemy ban screen once declared as an intended pick . xD
These are all really solid abilities but the combination misses the mark in my opinion. You have so much defensive survivability on a kit and then pick the ultimate that allows you to completely forego any defense in favor of pure offensive power in tryndameres ultimate. I think this would be far more powerful with Darius passive instead of shen if you're sticking with Tryndamere ultimate. Being able to take infinity damage for several seconds isn't served by having a shield every couple seconds, its pointless. That's my two cents, maybe if you wanna keep ki barrier, swap the ult for shen or malphite or hell even ornn since you have multiple ways to proc the brittle. Thoughts?
Hey man, don’t give Riot any ideas
I agree with your point in that trynds ult doesn't really fit the kit Vars made, but I still think Cho's ultimate was a better pick, not only it helps you before you'd even need trynds ult, it gives you stacking health to keep abusing the laning fase and an easy way to secure objectives (you could even herald alone at lvl 6 easily with this kit), it's an easy to play execute and doesn't have the chance of not executing someone like Darius or Garen's ult, if you only ult when the red indicator is on. I main top and the amount of times players strenght tests themselves in top 1v1 with the fight barely ending to the winners side is very often
U can do offensive E to stun them if they try to stun u W (yes u can do it at the end of a dash and protecrt from stuns during the dash) then spam Q and if it goes wrong pop R
I yhink his point was to choose the overall best abilities, not putting together the best champ kit.
This is so cool, really similar to Dota 2's ability draft gamemode which allows you to get a random champ and then draft the abilities you want on it.
We need this mode)
gonna throw this out there, darius passive with riven q would be op because he can stack it on his abilties (ie 3 free stacks)
i mean with just her q if you used it properly it would be fully stacked, as well as the 3rd Q would hit with the bonus 230 AD added on top.
rivens level 1 is pretty strong bc of passive with q, but Darius passive would straight up make her a demon since bonus ad would be on fully stacked conq from one riven q auto combo too.
Riven q with Darius passive just sound like a level 1 nightmare. With that combo, nearly all fight from 1 v 1 to 5 v 5 at level one seem possible. Imagine get five people with your full stack darius passive in an early invade
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 Can you even imagine Urgot’s W with darius’s passive xd instant 5 stacks in less than 1.5s
I remember when Camille came out,and how her kit was the best kit a top layer can ask for!
shen actually triggers his passive from W as well but after the zone ends
Ultimate poke mage:
Brand passive
Xerath Q
Morgana W
Lux E
Kogmaw ult
seraphine passive, imagine casting double xerath Q lmao
Uhh those aren't top lane abilities haha!
@@VarsVerum it's a mid laner idea but it would still be crazy annoying in top lane too lol
40secs of cc on one champion is cruel
I feel like Darius passive is super underrated. Imagine Darius passive with something like kai sa missiles. One ability and max stacks.
It will go the best on riven though, lightning stacking speed at level 1 with q, and throw ult into a team fight to get all enemies hit by darius pasisive. Not to mention all of her kit scale with ad, even the shield
It wouldnt stack cuz if it would kaisa would also proc muramana 12 times with her Q which is false
Muramana specifically says one stack per ability tho, which I don’t think Darius passive does.
could you imagine sett’s W with cho gath’s R your W would annihilate anything that gets you to max grit
Gangplank's Passive, Q, W, E, and Ult
actually just Gangplank
agreed
So basically your ultimate top laner is a MOBA port of Levi Ackermann
I really like the “Best Abilities series” because as many before me have said, it is very refreshing and cool to see what crazy champions could be made with the tools we already have. I know riot isn’t really making new game modes anymore as they are busy with other projects, but I’d love to see a game mode where you essentially make your own champion using a list of random passives and abilities (I say random to prevent meta-builds because that ruins fun game modes) but it’s a 10 person free for all where the most kills (or they could make a kill limit) at the end wins. You start by farming in a little jg with one other person (to keep the competition up after about 7-10 minutes you get put in a much larger arena with everyone else where the jg is much larger with set mini bosses (kinda like barons and dragon) that’ll give you advantages for defeating them. Smite would be be an early game item that you upgrade into better items later on rather than it taking your spell slot. Essentially take ultimate spell book and take it to first moon landing levels of crazy
now I really want a game mode where you can mix and match champion abilities…
You lost me on the passive for top right off the bat. The best passive.... by far... is orrn's passive. Build items in lane, upgrade everyone mythic, AND bonus armor and MR. That thing is so over loaded there is nothing that can beat it.
And for ultimante, hear me out, shape shifter champs mean you get to pick a whole other set of abilities, meaning you can farm with nasus q in lane while also stacking sion w while at the same time holding onto a jax e that lets you dodge everything. Full combo lets you activate nasus q, sion w, and jax e, then r and Camille e in, hit them with all 3 at once while simultaneously slowing their attack speed or stunning them with fiora w, then staying on top of them with riven q... straight busted (forgot to mention that you have ornns passive over shens, meaning one of your items is just hyper busted as well)
Ornn is not too bad of a passive but you don't get the upgrade part until later in the game. The bonus health, armor and MR aren't too big until 3 items+ (hence the powerspike of sunfire + gauntlet back in the day). For all intents and purposes the only part of the passive that matters in the early game is buying items in lane. No way to proc brittle damage because only Ornn can proc brittle.
@@VarsVerum fair enough, but in that case I think I'd take kleds passive, and pick another 2 knew abilities with my whole plan with the shape-shifting r lmao, ill take and Camille q and Quinn e too please.
@@guyguy1403 Hmm well your W would be the same you'd just need a different Q lol
I feel like cho gaths passive is hella good 2
Here are my predictions/thoughts before going into this video. Keep in mind that, while I have been playing this game for almost 8 years, I am a Gold mid player so uh, yeah.
Passive: Passives are hard because they are often designed to influence, or be influenced by, the rest of a characters kit in some way. Renekton is bad without his fury, but his fury is useless without him, that sort of deal. Finding passives that work in a vacuum are difficult but the best ones I can think of for top lane would be Ornn, getting to buy without having to recall would be insane on any champion with a stronger capacity for fighting because buying powerspikes seconds before you fight is dumb and Ornn upgrades mean you automatically outscale, Maokai, who's passive gives him great sustain, Mordekaiser, who has one of the best passives for extended fights in the game and is only held back by the fact that Morde has no mobility, and Shen, who simply gets free shields for using abilities and lowers the cooldown of that shield also by using abilities. If I had to pick one I think I would give it to Shen, since Morde's is only really super useful for extended fights and in the S11 meta teamfights last 3-5 seconds usually, Maokai's is similar to Shen but procs less often and is weakened by antiheal, and Ornn's upgrades only become valuable at level 13 and onward which holds it back slightly.
Q: Qs are the bread and butter of the kit more often than not, being the ability a champion will usually rely on the most and are almost always great abilities, this is gonna be hard. I would first narrow it down to Camille, Gangplank, Nasus, Riven, and Vladimir. Camille's Q is a good trading tool early that becomes a fucking nuke in the mid-late game with built in bonus movespeed, extra range, and a shitload of true damage. Gangplank's Q is a great poke/farming tool that applies on hit affects, meaning it can fit in to almost any kit and any situation, and it has the added bonus of granting bonus gold on kill. Nasus can infinitely scale in power with his Q and is only held back by immobility, put this ability on a champion with any sort of dash and it's immediately broken. Riven's Q does everything, it provides 3 instances of damage, 3 auto attack resets, 3 mini dashes including one that can jump small walls, and 1 instance of hard cc in the form of a knockup. Vlad has a free cost point and click poke ability that has good range, deals damage, and heals him, a melee champion would kill for an ability like this. If I had to choose though, I think I would give it to Riven, it's just too versatile.
W: Ws are usually reserved as some kind of passive or utility ability, and oddly enough this isn't anywhere close to a hard choice for me. Gangplank's W is one of the best abilities in the game. It is a built and self cleanse and heal, and that by itself makes is the best pick for top lane W abilities. There is not a single champion archetype that doesn't appreciate having a built in cleanse and self heal in the kit. Honorable mentions would go to Sett, who's W can be game changing in the right place and right time (and I checked, the grit is a passive of the w ability itself so this rando champ would have the grit mechanic if he had Sett W,) and Fiora who's parry can be devastating when used in the right hands.
E: Es are often dashes of some kind, meant to provide mobility and often secondary utility along with it. I would first narrow it down to Camille, Jax, and Maokai. Camille's hookshot is the perfect mobility spell, providing 2 different dashes including the ability to go over walls, a stun, and an attack speed steroid to help with fighting after closing the gap. Jax's counter strike is an almost surefire way to guarantee that you win trades, with the only downside being that it loses some usefulness on a character without mobility. Maokai's saplings are free wards that also happen to be on a relatively low cooldown, deal a chunk of damage, and provide a small slow to boot. It was really hard to choose between hookshot and saplings but I think the versatility of hookshot just barely wins out to me.
R: The ultimate is the cornerstone of a champions kit, it defines who they are and what they do, so let's narrow it down. I eventually stopped at Cho'Gath and Malphite, who have 2 very different ultimates with devastating use. Cho'Gath's ulti allows him to infinitely scale in both size and health, and the most health he has the more of a massive nuke this ability becomes. Malphite on the other hand says "no, we are teamfighting now, and you are losing" and the only counterplay to that is to not be there, it is the strongest engage in the game. This was a hard choice but I think for overall versatility and useability I have to give it to Malphite, the engage is just too strong and it also doubles as a gap closer or escape in a pinch.
So that's my thoughts, I love to think about these kinds of things so I figured I would give my own thoughts and ideas before getting into the video. I will make an edit with my thoughts after seeing the video.
Edit: So it seems we think pretty similarly overall. I am somewhat upset that there was no mention at all of Remove Scurvy for the W slot, and I didn't take into account how the abilities would synergize together as much (Riven Q with Shen passive sounds disgusting) but almost everything I mentioned was also mentioned here so I'm pretty happy with myself. See you in the jungle video!
btw just a thought of this, between jax and urgot, urgot wins with his e vs his e if jax uses his e first since he can literally e into him and walk outside of the range(just a thought and urgot can win trades even if jax gets e off) also urgots passive is insanity, itsss soo good imo its comparable to darius passive early game and scales to be really strong late, also have you conidered kayle for ult? having a inv thing for 3 whole sec late game is really good that you can both use on self and others, now that I think about it kayle is insanely strong just looking at the passive and putting it on someone else that literally scales into a ranged champ
I will read this later
Great video, love the effort put in. Do you know mockrock?
P - Hemmorage (giving like 45 AD level 3)
Q - Broken Wings (45 Base Damage + 65 (5 Hemmorage Stacks + Scaling), doing 110 per Q activation level 3)
W - Haymaker (Giving hella shield and damage, too lazy to do math here)
E - Hookshot (Busted ability lol)
R - Noxian Guillotine (The reason why Darius struggles so much in high elo is his lack of mobility. With this much mobility and this strong of an early laning phase, this laner is turbo op S-Tier in all 5 roles. Doing 1000 true damage on reset is way stronger than 5 seconds invulnerability imo)
I know these aren’t toplane abilities, but I want a champion with Nautilus passive, Morgana Q, Twisted Fate W, Neeko E, and Leona ultimate. I think that would be fun
8 second lockdown support. You evil evil little person
Wow wow, chill man, replace leona ult with a shapeshifter champ, get another new set of skills: lux’s q, caitlyn’ w, ahri’s e
I mean Morgana on her own can do nine seconds so.... It's not the worst
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 with full ability haste build and has everfrost as your mythic.
I know this video is mostly for fun, but something about one of Cho'Gath's abilities being given a mention made me so proud of him as a Cho main XD
Feast-executing is incredibly satisfying
Very interesting and good video. Keep it up! (But can we talk about the voicecrack at 12:18 haha)
As an aspiring game designer your videos are a blessing and fun. Even tho I don't play league or nevrr player it before except the wild rift I still enjoy your video and helps me understand a lot of principles of game design. Great work
If you consider vladimir as a top lane champion, I'd argue for his ultimate.. your current theorycraft champ is very single target oriented other then riven's broken wings, and allows for the damage application to be used for team fights, but as it is your list would make a very unfair split pusher in a competent team
Vladimir ultimate is definitely a good choice for AoE damage and healing, but it lacks immediate value aside from 10% damage amp. There are plenty better top lane AP scaling ults like Malphite for instance.
come to think of it ... how awesome would an ability draft mode be in lol xD
also ... if champions like garen have not a single good ability... why do they work?
That's specifically why Garen is never picked in pro play. He's literally only a solo queue pubstomper and that's it.
Garens passive is good
@@elmadridistaenfurecido Not compared to some others Morde, Fiora, Shen, Darius, ect...
Garen is really good as a new player because he is so easy, but later on other champs can do the same things better, Darius just has a better ult, his Q is basically Garens E and passive combined, Garens W is outshown by other defensive abilities (Fioras W, Jax's E, QSS), and there are plenty of better Auto Atk reset abilities, Fiora, Nasus, Camile, and more. But these others just take a ton more skill.
@@binarywolfcia85 garens passive allows you to stay forever in lane phase, you can outrade your oponnent and send him back to base to outlevel and outcs him, yeah ofc there are other good Passive, I am just pointing out garens passive is good, I never said, the best
@@elmadridistaenfurecido Garen’s passive is extremely good early on, that is if you aren’t laning agaisnt a poking champ. I once played Garen with ekko as the enemy laner, killed him 2 times and forced him to based 1 times while I still only have a doran shield lmao xD
0:06 this is false, Aphelios took the 4 abilities rule and gave it the middle finger, so there are slightly fewer abilities than that.
Nidalees two of each, jayces two of each, kayns three of each
@@draconicalz8207 Kled 2 q
P: Ornn
Q:Broken Wings
W: Urgot's W
E: Hookshot
R: The maiden from Yorick
Thats a dead passive without brittle and a dead w without shotgun legs :o
@@VarsVerum
Umm no. The item building and upgrades are beyond broken on their own
Urgot's W is pretty good i f not stupidly pwoerfuleven without his passive if you know how to use the W cancel technique post level 9 and its numerous item synergies
Also your attitude is incredibly defensive
@@ser5528 How is my attitude incredibly defensive? I'm stating that there's no way to apply brittle on enemies so you lose a large part of the passive, essentially only gaining the ability to buy items in lane and get bonus stats/forge later. And urgot's W applies on hit effects at half the value, which isn't that strong relative to other W's in top lane. You don't look at Urgot's W and go "wow look at how much damage he does with BoRK!" it's the shotgun legs that do all the burst damage.
I find it funny that you accuse me of being defensive when I wasn't defending anything to begin with. This is a video for open dialogue and theorycrafting. All I'm doing is pointing out that Ornn's passive and Urgot's W loses a chunk of their value because it comes from the rest of their kit. Take a look at my responses to other ability drafts. They have the same "attitude" and no one else is taking it personally.
@@ser5528 Looks to me you're the one with the defensive attitude, definitely projecting a bit there mate .
great video and great content .. ur voice is soothing and the song choice was on point and i would like to know what song it is
Shen has really high energy costs but it's kinda counteracted by his ginormous energy pool to be fair, also the love xc2 music
here is my pick for most op abilities in the game:
Yone's Q
Yone's W
Yone's E
Yone's R
Yone's Passive
it would be pretty scary if one champ had all these op abilities
It's funny how nearly all of Camille's abilities were listed and her passive is a shield just like Shen's. Camille IS the perfect top lane champion.
You DID notice she was mentioned twice....... in 5 abilities right? That's not even half. I think you r exaggerating a bit there buddy
Shen Passiv
Sion W
Cho R
That would be a big ass shield.
Nasus Q for infinite stacking and Camille E for gap close
Also Daddy Dar Dar's passive grants ad only which locks you into buying ad items or going for a hybrid build while shen's passive or Skarrrrl can be used more versitilly
what a good idea i love it waiting for the other role :D
That is so creative and you get a sub my dude
:D
Missing the opportunity to combine some really beefy statball effects together here.
Passive: Kayle's Divine Ascent ( Free auto attack range and attack speed, eventually gets waveclear)
Q - Nasus' Siphon Strike (Farm Farm Farm)
W - Sion's Soul Furnace (Builds HP automatically and can act as waveclear and sustain, will be maxed first)
E - Kayle's Starfire Spellblade (helps you get in Siphon Strikes and harass in tougher matchups)
R - Dr. Mundo's Maximum Dosage (More statball power, synergizes quite well as you're basically free to build Sunderer + resists with this whole package, vulnerable to healing debuffs but it's worth the synergy).
Basically you build Warmogs+ Trinity and make people cry as you tank up. Doesn't solve most of the juggernaut issues but you're a frontline marksman in the lategame which is absolutely terrifying.
Theory crafting champions like this has to be one of my favorite things to do in my spare time although not as detailed as yours. Great job and amazing video man!
Here's my champion idea (I'm not a good player so some of my choices can be questionable. And this is based on my personal playstyle and champion knowledge/experience)
Passive: Kayle's divine ascent - Gives a lot of bonuses later on in the match. Makes her have bonus move speed, range and attack speed.
Q: Nasus's Siphoning strike - Since it's a basic attack enhancement, it'll work well with kayle's level 6 passive when she becomes ranged. Imagine a Nasus that is ranged!
W: Sion's soul furnace - A shield and also HP scaling.
E: Camille's Hook shot - Repositioning
R: Cho'gath's Feast - True damage execute, basically a second smite and more HP scaling.
Sucks early but becomes basically unstoppable later on in the game. You only really need to build resistances since HP is already granted by both soul furnace and feast.
I feel like the one downside to this kit is that you're very single target focused. But then again, a ranged nasus Q is terrifying...
@@VarsVerum I was re-thinking this kit when I was washing dishes, and now when I look at it, it does have a weakness to teamfights because the major damaging abilities are both single target. I don't really know what to change to aleviate that weakness.
That aside, I think it would be fun to play as though (Not for the enemy ofcourse lmao).
@@PhantasmTirpitz cho’s ult has a basically melee range so you would have to get really close which means you are gonna have to use your escape to get in ult range and it’s pretty likely you would have already killed them with the q, you would also have to choose between you getting a stacks or ult stacks, more damage + some tankiness or more tankiness
that's like playing a moving fountain turret lmao
Vars basically built Levi from AOT from this built.
Passive- Shield per Ability cast
Q- 3 spins/dash
E- Invulnerability
W- 3d gear
R- Levi god mode.
Idk, I love how he came to mind as Vars builds his Hypothetical Top laner.
What’s the music on the background while you were covering w and e? I love it XD
I would take the following:
Darius Passive - The sheer ad from this alone would be enough to take it, but honestly the bleed is so underated, and helps to extend trades and gets free samage even after a combo.
Riven Q - Still definitely the best.
Gwen W - The zoning capaiblities and isolated 1v1 potential allowsd for better utility in the kit.
Aatrox E - The passive for this makes any champ so much better, giving built in healing. Furthermore, its a low cooldown dash that can go through walls.
Yorrick R - Player 2. Damge, side laning and poke all in one
I have one too the name is "fk autoattacks"
Passive: Camille
Q: teemo
W: sett/fiora
E:jax
R:kayle/tryndamere
btw your w for sett would suck ass since you need the passive AND the w of sett for it to work, and I think I would take kayle over trind anytime
@@d4s0n282 setts passive doesn't tie into his W. The move has its own passive which is the storing of damage.
@@steaki8032 I saw that from somewhere else but thx I just was lazy and never went back and removed my comment
If the theme is to make auto attacking champs useless then I would say that Fiora's W is the best
I think this would be a GREAT idea for a game mode like urf. Imagine that for every lane you ( and your lane opponent, because otherwise you might get screwed by RNG ) are given a pool of 5 champions that are usually played in that lane and you have to pick your P Q W E and R, but you are only allowed to have 1 from each.
P: Gangplank (every few seconds deal bonus true damage burn on the next auto attack)
Q: Riven
W: Sylas
E: Jax
R: Trundle
The most obnoxious champ you could ever have the displeasure of having to 1v1.
P - Darius's Noxian Might (this champ takes this to highest level)
Q - Aatrox's Darkin Blade (applies aoe Darius 5 stacks, good aoe damage, good for trading)
W - Urgot's Purge (basically insta-stacks Darius passive, damage when Q is on cd)
E - Camille's Hookshot (engage, mobility, can be used with aatrox q for rly cool combo)
R - Tryndamere's Undying Rage (obvious reasons, gives you more than enough time to stack passive & kill ppl w q)
Combo: E in, W for 5 stacks, fight with Q after, ult when needed
Team fight/they walk into you combo: Q1, W for stacks, Q2, E + Q3 cool combo)
Build CDR & survivability
This champ could also easily work with Riven Q or Darius R as alternate abilities
I want to make a champ with Vlad passive, Rumble Q, Sion Z, Tahm Kench E and Cho gath R. Imagine going full tank with Sion + Cho bonus HP and E shield/regen of tahm kench, but still doing stupid dmg because with this much hp vlad passive would give a lot of ap, so Rumble Q have a big ratio that you can spam because of your tankiness, and Sion Z and Cho R have Health AND AP ratio, so their dmg must become litteraly op for a tank. And the worst part is even if it's a hard late champ based on stacking HP with Z + R, the tankiness he would have make him almost unkillable in lane if you don't do shit ( + big combo with runes grasp and overgrows ). I want to play that champ.
@vars i like this concept and was curious if you’d make not just 1 top laner but maybe 3 this one plus an ap top laner and finally a tank top laner since Top and Jungle usually have the most diversity
Imagine teemo with 1000 Nasus stacks, full grit haymaker, spamming vault and has 100 feast stacks, sounds very fun.
P: A Thousand Cuts, Hemorrhage, or Night Hunter
Q: Bladesurge
W: Infernal Chains, Remove Scurvy, or Haymaker
E: Test of Spirit, Umbral Dash, or Death's Grasp
R: Realm of Death, World Ender, or Fury of the Sands
You need to play Dota's Ability Draft
It's basically a mode where instead of picking your champion you randomly get a base hero and pick from a limited pool of randomly generated abilities (which can only be picked by a player so no doubles)
You get to create insane builds like 4 aoe stuns or other funny builds
Passive: Orn (increase health AR and MR from all source by 10%)
Q : Tahm Kench
W : Sion
E : K'kante
R : Cho
Build Heart Steel, Titanic Hydra and Demonic with Grasp ,Over Growth and "Demolish" until you win. Oh and most importantly *Perma Ban Fiora*
Garens Passive and Q, while neither are the strongest, both of them work really well with short skirmishes, the passive letting you easily recover from trades. Q lets you trade while the opponent can't use abilities, cleanses slows, and gives movements speed.
I think your list is pretty good, although I would say Fiora's Passive.
It gives lot of healing (and PERCENT MAX HP TRUE DMG) and would be super great with the created champ, Rivens triple dash would proc vitals SOOO easy. the combo is obvious, E onto target, use Q weaving in autos to proc as many vitals as possible, W is used when you need to avoid some enemy ability, and R to survive in impossible situations. Ki barriar is great, but seriously, giving Fioras passive with Rivens Q and Camilles engage. I am sorry but this would be a TERROR, each of these champions is individually feared as being able to 1v1 basically anyone, (Jax, Tryndamere, and Irelia being a few POSSIBLE exceptions) but this new champion would have some of the strongest parts of each, and has Tyndameres Ult as well, combining this would just be stupid OP.
I'll do two builds, one for AD one for AP.
AD:
Darius Passive
Riven Q
Urgot W
Jax E
Sion Ult.
This is a very aggressive champion focused on stacking your passive for an insane boost in even more damage. Riven Q can make procing the passive early game super reliable. Urgot W fills a similar role, letting stack those bleeds fast and benefits a lot from the the increased AD. This would be to stack it once you are in the fray! Jax E to avoid the autos coming back and stun your victims. And Sion ult serves a dual purpose: strong engage and strong escape, making you a pain in the ass for a split pusher.
AP
Kennan Passive
Rumble Q
Skarner W
Karthus E
Chogath Ult
Kennan Passive provides solid stun for the start of the battle. And having Rumble Q proc it rather fast, Skarner W provides a lot of movement and shield to get into the fray. Karthus E makes it possible to apply the mark to enemies all around the place for team stuns. And Cho'Gatj lit gives a hug true damage nuke, usually making a great finisher and providing extra crankiness later, which this kit would love to have.
P - Goes where he pleases
Q - Siphoning Strike
W - Soul Furnace
E - Umbral Dash
R - Feast
Late Game beast
Darius Passive
Volibear Q
Pantheon W
Garen E
Cho'gath R
To sum it all up, this is a champion that dashes up to and stuns you with a point and click, insta stacks hemorhage, and then does massive damage to you. Or you disengaged and they just got a free fully stack bleed and a garen spin on you and that's the entire trade. There is no counterplay. You just get near them, they stun you, stack hemorhage, and then deal another stun that does even more damage. And if you fall below feast threshold, you just die.
Lane Sustain? Mobility? Literally doesn't matter. You don't get to do shit during the entire trade. By the time it's over and you try to make up for the lost time, he already has conqueror and noxian might up.
In teamfights, you deter any enemy aggression just by existing...a 2s guranteed lockdown on point and click is something very few champions can stop, and your own innate damage and durability means you can build full tank.
One question on this idea, how are you deciding things like range, base attack speed, etc. I feel like if you include that in passive, some other champs (maybe quinn?) have a shot at a better passive than shen.
7:20 "Nasus is one of the most kiteable champions in the mid to late game"
Min 40 Nasus proceeds to W you and you get anchored to the floor while having virtually 0 attack speed
about that into, there’s actually more abilities than champions because a couple of champs have multiple abilities bound to one key!
Behold, the best duelist and tf engager;
Morde Passive
Riven Q
Sylas W
Quinn E
Urgot R (Optionally malphite R?)
Your ideal build would be : Everfrost, Nashor, Lich bane, Zhonya (+ probably sorcerer boots and rabadon)
Your 1v1 combo is Q Q Everfrost Q and then just auto attack until your hp gets low and use w. No matter who your opponent is, you can win with this kit. If you feel like you're done with the opponent, use E to knock them and bounce back. Then you can use R to execute.
In teamfights you can still engage with Q Q Everfrost Q and then probably Zhonya? Morde passive will be your main source of damage.
And just imagine the cool moves you can do with Urgot R + Quinn E, you can fear everyone and just bounce back like nothing happened.
vars: for most champions w is the one you should max last
me: laughs in *urgot*
No one talks about Sion's Q being the only satisfying ability to land as well as the ramping damage making timing a key factor on it.
The issue with how you looked at this was you said at the start you wouldn't consider abilities that work becuase of other parts of a champion's kit, but then justified the choices you picked based on how they synergise with the other. If you're looking at abilities in a vacuum, you have to look at them in a vacuum consistently. As the best abilities taken on their own.
For example, Vi's passive on its own is arguably a better shield than shen's since it scales with 15% total health instead of 13% bonus health, and it lasts 3 seconds instead of 2.5, letting its user take larger, longer trades.
Likewise, if we DO consider abilities in conjunction with others in any given kit, Kennen's passive would almost objectively be the best combined with any spammable top lane caster or multihit ability like Ryze machine gunning or Garen's spin.
So I think of these two, it would be better to look at abilities strictly in a vacuum to decide on the best of them.
P: Ornn. This dude's passive is longer than other champions' entire kits. Just so we're aware how much Ornn gets on his passive:
-- 10% bonus armor, MR, and health from all sources, +4% every time he uses his mthic upgrade passive component, up to 30% total bonus.
-- Crafting items without having to back to base for virtually infinite sustain
-- Upgrading his and his allies' mythic items for ~ 1000 free gold worth of stats every time
-- mini knockback on targets afflicted by brittle
Now, the last component is strictly useful only for ornn himself for now since he's the only character that can apply brittle, but any of the other three components would be insane in any kit, let alone all three.
Q: Irelia. Fuck this ability. Fuck this character.
W: Jax. This was a tough call between Jax and Shen's similar auto dodging mechanics, but I chose Jax's since it keeps dodging no matter where he moves with it and has the long stun at the end. Lowering aoe damage by a bit is another drop of gravy.
E: Tahm Kench. So there's a bit of hidden "tech" with this ability that works because of how the grey health mechanic does. By spamming this ability during fights, you constantly get small shields just big enough to block a single auto or ability. Since grey health is stored even while the ability is on cooldown, it means when it comes up, enough will be stored to activate for a reasonable amount again. At rank 1's 40% damage conversion, it means whoever has this ability effectively has 140% health using this function of the ability. That's not even going into the regular use large shield storage or the poke-mitigating grey health to heal conversion.
R: Tryndamere. It is by far the best ult in Ultimate Spellbook for good reason. This ability is already broken on its owner, and every character in the game except maybe Elise and friends would gladly make the trade for it.
So what do we end up with
A character with up to 30% bonus health, armor, and MR, up to 65% more health on top of that in spammable E shields while being immune to poke damage, instant wave clear Qs that also let the user engage into a fight, auto immunity and AoE damage reduction with a stun followup, and once all this hyper tank free trading free wave clearing monster's abilities are burnt and they run out of health to shield with their E, they can Ult and dip out whenever they feel like.
Why was ornn's passive not even on the honorable mentions?
-you can build items in lane, so there's a chance you don't even have to back
-you upgrade ally items, granting essentially gold lead to your team
-grants a baseline 10% hp, armor and mr buff to you, increasing with how many items you have upgraded
My choices.
Passive: Shen I agree.
Q: Susan's siphoning strike.
W: Sions soul furnace, tank with tank on top. The stacking HP will improve the passive shield.
E: Camille E agreed overall.
R: Cho ult. More hop for W and Passive shields to scale with.
Imagine a build a champ game mode where b4 you queue up you build a champion and play with it on this mode
I would say Kled has arguably the best passive as it would give any champ an insane amount of sustain and survivability, along with the fact that it would have to remove mana/energy and provide a temporary range increase that could give many champs more safety on low hp
feels like a melee ad tank. W swap AP for hp, R bonus hp increases min amount that hp doesn't fall below. lore wise make from where morgana an kayle are from, instead of being fallen like Morgana be injured there for unable to return but still have blessings, uses wings as swords.
You know what would be cool? Kalista passive combined with Fiora passive, basically Wanwan from Mobile Legends lmao I think would actually be a cool combination of passives (I know they aren't top laners, but i think it would be cool to see)
Mordekaiser Passive
Rumble Q
Gwen W
Sylas E
ChoGath Ult
Dive on a target with sylas e, force them into a 1v1 with Gwen’s W then auto them once and Q to proc passive. You’d be doing tons of DOT in a small area where you have a massive MR/Armor boost with an execute that gives infinitely scaling HP
I would love to see a game mode where we can design our own champ out of the pool of existing skills. Even if it was a randomly selected small pool of skills I think it would be super fun. They have the game mode that replaces a summoner skill with another champs ult, but I'd love to see this in a mode like ARAM or some shorter version of the game. 40 minute games aren't as acceptable as they used to be with I didn't have other responsibilities.
i'd say that kayle's ult is a strong ult, because leave 2/2,5/3 seconds invulnerable, and at the end of 2 seconds cast, deals a lot of damage, like, 600 damage (even if you build ad) IN A BIG CIRCULAR AREA. obviously the cast of 2 seconds can be really bad, but, you still 1 second of free will to do something. it work in deffensive and offensive ways. sad that didn't got it into the video, but the point is, is a very good ultimate.
0:05 well with the addition of akshan, there is now about 165
Mordekaiser Passive, Camille Q and E, Riven W, and Mordekaiser ult.
3 dashes, massive single target damage, CC on E, Riven W shield, and the ability to lock down the enemy team hypercarry, not to mention max health damage on Morde passive
Wait no better idea-Mordekaiser passive and Q, Fiora W, Yone E, and Malphite ultimate.
Massive gap close, ridiculous AP scaling and AoE all across the board, anti-CC with Fiora. With Yone E damage amp you could probably get a legitimate 1v5 penta in one combo
ngl seeing a fighter/bruiser with Kayle's passive would be pretty interesting
I think that the champion outlined has almost no synergy to itself. A better time be would in my opinion be...
Passive - Shen
Q - Nasus
W - Sion
E - Camille
R - Tryndamere
This allows for a very simple play style. Farming early, and rolling over the competition with extra stats late game. Nasus Q allows Shen passive to be up more consistently than Riven Q, while also getting that late game scaling.
Since you’re already farming, an extra shield for safety and bonus max health from Sion W makes it so that no matter what you build, you can still have a massive health bar, and thus scale with the passive shield.
Camille E is again an easy choice since it has a stun, and so much mobility to get in get your burst damage off, and walk away.
If you’re close to death, Tryndamere R allows you three seconds to get an extra Q off and E away.
This makes for a clear play style of farming until you are a splitpushing monster or farm even more to 1v9 games. Build full tank, Build bruiser, or Build assassin. No matter what, you’ll be an unkillable frontline that moonlights as an Assassin as you dive the back line from the next lane over with at least four bars of health, enough shields to make irelia question if she chose to juggle the wrong weapon, and enough burst to turn the enemy ADC into a DC.
Thresh Passive (Stacks armour)
Nasus Q (stacks damage)
Sion W (stacks bonus health)
Graves E (stacks armour when used + mobility)
Cho Gath R (stacks health)
For Ultimate Tanky Boy
150 champs 155 Qs Ws Es, 5 champs have a transformation and gain a new set of abilities, i didnt count Atrox or Riven Q as that seems to be one ability with 3 parts
Dota has a very fun fan game mode called ability draft, where you draft each of your abilities from a pool of almost every single ability in the game. So this thought experiment but played out basically.
Unfortunately for league, they hate custom games or gamemodes that aren't actively incredibley popular
Would Viegos Q now be the Q for top lane?
Also happy to see Trynd at least join in the best ability section cause him and Jax and Darius are my fav top laners but Jax and Dar didn't make it
What about Darius‘ ult? you can kill the whole team because you can recast it whenever you get a kill so you can have a five consequent ultimates
The Strongest (Top/Mid) Champ i came up with would Be => P: Vladimir, Q: Rumble, W: Sion, E: Camille, R: Cho Gath
2x Infinite Health scaling, which is also infinite AP scaling via Passive. A strong AOE-dmg ability for skirmishes and farming. The already very strong Cho Gath ultimate is Extremely empowered though the Gap closer E which also is usefull by it self. The E-Q-E-R combo would be the perfect way to snack low HP enemies
with these other abilities I'd definitely take Cho'Gath ult over tryndamere ult, with the amount of mobility broken wings and hookshot give you can easily close in on someone and just ult as a finisher and shen's shield passive becomes stronger with bonus hp which cho ult can give a lot of making you even more of a dueling monster while also being a great tank. get a titanic hydra and sunfire/frostfire to deal a lot of damage once you engaged and slowly become an unkillable monster.
and with the added riposte combined with the huge model size of a champion with feast stacks you're bound to catch and thus bounce some nasty CC effects onto the enemy team.
If u put kayle passive with camille passive and trynda ult, i don t even think u need other abilities. Cause ranged chogath ult. Add akshan e and sion w and u got a monster scaler with an ok to good laning phase.
Imagine trying to fight against this champion that has a shield that gets its cd reduced off abilities cast, 3 dashes that do dmg and can be auto reset and is also a knock up, anti CC that is also invulnerability, a double dash that can be used for repositioning also stuns and other abilities can be casted during both dash durations, and they cant die for 5 seconds
Shen's passive actually activates on all three of his abilities. After the safe zone goes down, Shen gets a shield if attacked by a champion while in it.
I think trynds ult is as good as it is because it's on an auto attack/DPS focused character. Usually you use this when you're in the middle of a fight, you probably used most of your cooldowns so on someone who doesn't build crit or attack speed, it's basically a glorified kayn ult
My ideal champion would be: Poppy passive, GP q, Darius w, Vi e(yes, I know, not a top laner, but still), riven r. Press all the buttons, and one-shot someone with two ranged autos. Bonus points for grasp of the undying because the champion is melee
So if there would be no rules i would just do "ultimate splitpusher"by adding q of yoric,nasus,camille ziggs e and trist e
But cuz there is a rules i think "ultimate teamfighter" can work to, so it uses mord pasive , mundo w (or amumu's ) ,garen e and for r either setts or malphites and q might be amumu if you count him as toplaner but if not then darius q.
So the plan would be to wait for r jump into 5 people and make em kinda dead beacuse amount of dmg around you as you have w of mundo (or amumu) and you use q and e only problem's i see is w and passive have ap ratio for dmg while rest of build have ad ration , and low 1vs 1 potential against champs with big burst dmg.
I think you are right in every other ability exept for r because tryndameres kit is very offensive hence why the r is so good it lets him be tanky while hitting hard. And since u chose a defensive based passive and w i feel it wont be as effective I believe chos r might be better as it overcomes the ultimates weakness of chos very low mobility as well as giving the champion using it a very high damage execute and extra tankiness
That’s true. In which case I might swap out shen passive with Darius for the giga bleed xD
@@VarsVerum I personally think kayle would be best cus its a combination of really good offense play and defence
My personal pick:
Ornn P for the 30% bonus health and resistances, the teams items and buying without backing. Enough said.
Sion Q because it's a massive high damage 2 second knockup on a 6 second CD.
Nasus W for a point and click slow, easiest Sion Q ever, and also sets up the
Illaoi E, insane ability, basically a free half HP if you kill the spirit
Malphite R for obvious reasons