The far beyond definitely exists, because you can use the computer before launch to get them closer to their destination. Which also insinuates it's on earth.
Not to mention that in the ending slides some of the bright followers return and assist in the defence of Novac against the Legion - so it’s clearly somewhere within walking distance just off the map
I remember this being the first game scenario that made me genuinely laugh out loud. When they played Ride of the Valkyries and that rocket spun out of control and crashed, I lost it.
I've always thought the Far Beyond was somewhere in space like the moon or something due to their space suit & that the Ghouls who returned like what was said from the ending slide, never actually went too far & just realized the folly of their cult, thus they returned.
I don’t understand my obsession with this game series and it’s world building, but I’ll never get tired of learning more about it and scurrying even further down that rabbit hole.
this isn’t even down the rabbit hole it’s like one of the first quests you have to do in new vegas unless you just run in shooting all the ghouls lmfaoo
@@CFronTV Going down the rabbit hole as in absorbing any and all information that has to do with the franchise. For some reason few series have ever peaked my interest in the way fallout has.
Me too! I’m super stoked about the tv series and unless it’s absolutely hot garbage I will like it. Heck even if it’s is, I’ll probably still like it because it’s in the Fallout world
People always say that but i don’t think that’s a irradiated area, i’m pretty sure that’s just the sun’s reflection on the Atlantic Ocean. If you look closely enough you can see much of the East Coast starting from North Carolina or Virginia up to Quebec in Canada. The “glowing spot” is over the ocean, some I’m pretty sure it’s just th sun. I think if there was a glowing sea like area THAT big, the whole world would have radstorms, and the shockwaves from nuclear missiles there would completely obliterate the rest of the world.
@@tarheelpro87 Have a look at the image on the wiki. It looks very much 'nuclear' green and not so much a reflection. Although what you're saying is very possible! We can't however forget it is a game, and the factuality of most of the stuff is extremely weak, but it would not be fun otherwise.
@@lordcaoliki2168 true true. To me though it doesn’t look green on it’s own. Maybe because of the ocean and surface having some sort of green tint, but it looks like the sun’s reflection to me
So I always made the assumption that The Far Beyond was Yucca Mountain, mentioned in Mr.RADical's journal that you would find during this quest. The journal mentions Yucca mountain as the only other irradiated place he goes before Clark Field. Howeve, he says he doesnt go very deep into the complex because of something big moving around in the tunnels. Assuming that Yucca Mountain is a neculear dump site like in the real world it would fit, and the big creature moving in the tunnel may be the creator. Finally, Yucca mountain isnt that far from Vegas but far enough that its secluded, meaning the brotherhood coming back to Novac is possible. As for the use of rockets, I assumed that was because Jason would likely be confuesed for a Glowing One and shot on site by most people.
Jim was pretty last minute with the mass suicide and telling his followers to die for something greater. heavens gate had their followers believe that they could ascend and leave their own bodies from the get go
I never finished the game, so I never got the ending slide one way or the other; but I just assumed the rockets had no landing gear or maneuvering thrusters, since they're launched from cradles. I agree, The Glow seems to be the best Canon explanation, although there's no complete list of every bomb that was dropped on north America and the relevant damage from each one, so we can't begin to guess what would be more irradiated than The Glow.
I'm gonna assume if any of the games in the future take place in New York or near it there could be such a place like maybe time square could be bombed to fuck like downtown boston was the glowing sea in 4
I figured The Creator was the Eldritch God of Radiation that creates ghouls in the Dunwich dramas. No idea where the Far Beyond is, but they might actually be headed there by the influence of a Lovecraftian-style elder god.
In my opinion, the Great Beyond is a form of heaven for the bright followers. It states that some bright followers returned from a pilgrimage, which is not what happens when you go to heaven. What I think is that some bright followers went on a pilgrimage, but because the Nightkin attacked Jason and the others had to hurry. The ones on the pilgrimage were left behind and when they returned they helped NoVac.
I’d really like to think that Jason Bright is actually genuine in what he is doing. Like he really does have his flocks best interest at heart but now that I’ve seen this video, maybe I should’ve been willing to entertain the idea that maybe he is suffering from some kind of hallucinations. After all, he’s the first glowing ghoul that I’ve ever met.
You can't assume that just because Jason and followers don't know how to maintain a space station or Moon base that there isn't someone already there who can. Ghouls could be running space stations on the Moon due to cosmic radiation or a coronal mass ejection exposure. Or even an exposed reactor core. Or as someone pointed out, Zetans.
What if Jason is being communicated with by Zetans who are tricking them into going into space to steal their rockets & in turn them too? We’ve seen that the Zetans essentially collect people from the fallout 3 DLC & what if they wanted Ghouls & the rockets?
@@shogunpug4071 the rockets are just a bonus & saves them having to go down to earth and physically capture ghouls, if I’m remembering correctly there’s no Ghouls on board mother ship Zeta, that’s only one of many UFO’s but from what we’ve seen the aliens don’t have any Ghouls so could potentially be them acquiring some & the rockets are just a happy bonus.
Could be the Far Beyond is the moon. The solar healing theory holds well enough, as the player can unlock the "Solar Powered" perks to gain solar healing themselves. As to how some of the Bright Brotherhood managed to return to Novac, we see one of the rockets' takeoff go eskew, possibly leading to its occupants landing far enough away that they could reach Novac by the time the Legion has swept through 🤔
What if the "creator" means the one that created the ghouls/FEV? Or the Master from FO1. The master had spread himself throughout all of the equipment in the bunker. Maybe sometime from it survived the explosion and slowly the Master, or what was left of his consciousness in whatever survived, reestablished himself in the ruins of the bunker?
I feel like they need to make a small game demo where you are trying to survive a zombie outbreak, then at the end of the demo it is revealed you are a Zetan alien from Fallout and the crazy ghouls from NV landed on your planet.
That 300 mile distance to the Glow may not sound like allot to us but in a post Apocalypse wasteland that's 300 miles of hostile animals/people with no hope of finding any supplies or shelter. I'd liken it to trying to cross Australian outback on foot IRL without carrying supplies, unless you're exceptionally knowledgeable and lucky it's not going to happen. Plus, their only foot path heading Northwest is the great divide.
I always believed the great beyond was someplace like Big MT a crater where there is technological and that it was protected by radiation and mountains hence why rockets were needed to get there cause they came back to help build defenses that even made NCR think twice so it would make sense in away
I like to think it’s just “far beyond” the area Mr Houses defenses protected the Mojave from nukes. It’s a spot hit by a nuke that is so irradiated that only ghouls can live there and the ghouls formed a ghouls equivalent of a utopian city because they don’t even need food they just survive off the radiation and are very safe
Oh and they use rockets because the Mojave desert is really big and dangerous so this is a risky, but a less risky and time consuming way of getting there
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The fact they say it's beyond the wasteland always made me think they were trying to head for another country that was also caught up in the MAD nuclear exchange.
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I like to think that the Far Beyond is the Glowing Sea in Fallout 4. It’s heavily irradiated, perfect for the Ghouls to live, and it’s a great enough distance away from Nevada so rocket travel makes sense.
i just realized how much i've wanted this question answered, i remember my first time playing through this i finished the mission and went "so wait... did i miss where they told me the great beyond was??? so i reloaded a save from before i started anything (was a lot because i paused half way through to do other quests) and redid the whole thing and had to immediately ask all my friends who played this 'where is the great beyond??"
Always assumed the far beyond was a base or something on the moon. Felt reinforced by the moon war stuff in FO4 Edit: Why will I never learn that my comments will be addressed in the video if I don't wait until the end.
The minute you said dangerous animals my thoughts turned straight to cazadors, it’s almost certain death running into one of those as an NPC without plot armor or the courier at your side. I’d choose the rocket death as well, screw those cazadors…
After that berzerk launch and the fact that “some” returned I don’t hold strong hope that any of them got to their intended location. That launch looked like three crashed rockets coming right up.
I think The Bright Brotherhood flying into Earth's atmosphere is paying homage to the origins of the Fantastic Four. Jason Bright, possibly believing what he read in a comic book, that everyone will gain super-powers after being bathed in cosmic rays. And then, these folks would have a better chance of surviving with whatever super abilities they gained upon returning to Earth. I think it would be interesting if the Bright Brotherhood was re-introduced in a future Fallout game, where they were NPCs with unique abilities. And if you could get a member of the Bright Brotherhood as a companion, then you'd have a companion with abilities that the player could never get in the game. If that future Fallout game could get away with their interpretations of Doctor Doom and the Mole Man, then that would be an added bonus.
Hi I have something about Jason Bright - he actually has a cut feral character model if you look on the wiki, also, he states that the beyond is "a place of healing" which could be figurative but probably is literal, im wondering if maybe someone nuked the moon and thats where they are going
Glowing ghouls are easily confused with ferals. Maybe 1/1000 ghouls with sentience are glowing. About as rare as smart supermutants outside gen 1 Master's mutants.
using the rockets also gives them something to trade on getting there as im sure some of the tech in them would be worth something and therefore make living in a new area easier
We also have to take into account that Jason says it's a place that has radiation that would kill a normal person easily. Not only that but there is evidence of supernatural and telepathic elements in Fallout. Like, take into account the special weapons and those who can read minds. Also, the rockets had a trajectory that went east to northeast of Novac. weirdly, east of Noac is Legion territory.
Maybe it's possible the Far Beyond is the Glowing Sea. I know we don't find evidence of them in Fallout 4, but that doesn't mean the Far Beyond couldn't be the Glowing Sea in Boston.
My guess is they did this specifically to make people guess and feel a lack of closure. Always keeps you wondering in retrospect as you will probably never get an answer until maybe a future Fallout game. Maybe through some obscure quest line the answer will be revealed?! Dunno!
I went down into the basement and those invisible mutants scared me a little, so I went back up to Jason and popped him in the head and left. Thou shall get distracted by bullshit every dam time.
@@SvengelskaBlondie yeah, and the endings also talk about some of them returning from their pilgrimage to help defend NOVAC from the legion - so it’s defiantly on earth
It would have been cool if we could find their rockets in Fallout 4 in the Glowing Sea. That location from the older Fallout games, Dayglow, makes more sense honestly but the Glowing Sea is also INSANELY irradiated to the point of completely changing the landscape and even has those storms with the awesome sounding lightning and shit.
The Lone Wanderer could’ve taken Amata and all his companions, along with Sarah Lyons and most of the BoS and the Outcasts, onto the alien ship, fly off to another planet and create their own empire of sorts at the end of Mothership Zeta, a much more perfect ending to Fallout 3.
I speculate Jason found a safe location in the Divide, somewhere away from tunnellers and marked men. The reason I think so is because they actually return to Nipton after the war to help rebuild, meaning that they can't be inconceivable far away.
The quest is very open to interpretation. They either made it to their location whether it's on earth, the moon, or somewhere further or they just crashed and died.
after hearing about the psychic powers and dream communications bit, all i can think of is a huddle of dickhead ghouls in dayglow making a prank call. the psychic one telling the message of dayglow, and his buddy beside him saying “be sure to come by rocket, wearing space suits” for some generic reason, then the huddle of ghouls stifling laughter to not be found out
What if the creator was Atom, and the Far Beyond was Far Harbor? They could've ended up going feral and the fog certanly isn't safe for most humans. As for where the rockets are, best outcome of the quest is they "land" closer to their destination so could very well have crashed in the waters around the area.
The cult reminds me of Heaven's Gate. A bunch of people "ascending" using spacecraft, and leaving people behind. Reminds me of the overall situation where most members committed suicide, and left two, iirc, to manage the website and remnants of the cult.
A possible alternate location is the Glowing Sea, but simply off the playable map of the Commonwealth, or any area that was hit by many thermonuclear weapons or even a salted thermonuclear weapon (also called, an enhanced-radiation thermonuclear weapon). I, perhaps, should not have a-salted you with "thermonuclear" so many times in a single sentence.
That’s what I always do. I decide, and write my own headcanon. I always assumed that the ghouls crash landed somewhere else on Earth. Maybe the Glow. And the ones that returned were the ones aboard the rocket that went awry. Though having seen these screenshots it looks like each rocket went off in a different direction. Maybe one went to the moon, the other crashed to earth far away, and the third crashed near Novac.
The moment you said "North-west" as the direction the rockets face when launching, two words came into my head; "Groom Lake". As much as I don't know if Area 51 got nuked during the Great War in Fallout, it is North-West of Las Vegas by about 100 miles.
I am pretty sure that it is on the moon/ in space (maybe a space station around earth). Because of the fact that you can use a somewhat high science check to get them closer to their destination. It would also explain why they returned, either because they ran into too many technical problems they couldn't solve because they left their tech/IT support behind (Kinda like Heaven's gate did in real life), or because they were able to use their space station/moon base's sensors to see that Chris/ Novac was in danger and felt guilty about leaving him behind. ALSO AND MOST IMPORTANTLY...Nobark talks about stuff on the moon so maybe if something was up there sending psychic/divine messages Nobark may have accidently picked it up
the rockets they used looked like standard ballistic missiles which is why their trajectory was pre determined and the one that went of course did no attempt to correct trajectory, the thruster dont seem to gimble and the fins dont actuate, the most it could have is explosive gas charges on the side to push it slightly but nothing significant.
It could be possible the Far Beyond is a vague destination that is far away, maybe not the moon or in space but somewhere else on earth, most likely and definitely outside of the map. Plus somewhere its mentioned the ghouls return so chances are they needed an area that is 'fresh' to give them plenty of room to prosper.
i think because jason spares chris, he is genuine. if the far beyond was the afterlife, he could have taken chris with him bc they eventually all of them die anyway. so the glow or even the glowing sea makes more sense. maybe they founded the chapter of the children of atom in the glowing sea. ... one of the best quest ever. i stumbled unknowingly upon it. at first i tried good ending und then, just for fun, the bad one. i nearly shat myself when the rockets explode to the music of fly me to the moon XD
I always thought of this mission as a reference to "heaven's gate" which was an IRL cult of people who all willingly ended their own lives seeking something better. However, the fact some of the ghouls come back to help Novac would either mean some survived the rocket crash or the far beyond is a real place on earth that is simply "far beyond" the reach of normal humans (like a heavily radiated area). Either way, I hope they revisit this idea, perhaps in the new season of the Fallout TV show.
Could easily be an enclave facilities or space station that they took the rocket up to. Something like the prydwin but an orbital defence facility. Knowing the enclave its possible, they had that moon base afterall. I recon the flock went to 3 places given the rockets all go different ways. Maybe Mr Bright went to the space station, the out of control rocket went to glow and the off trajectory rocket went to the commonwealth. I think it was done like that so the religion could get a mention in future fallouts depending on whether it is north or south
@@HrothgarHeavenlight Wouldn't take everything from it as canon, but enough of it is reused for New Vegas and lines up with how proficient the Enclave are in 3 that the space station could easily fit right in.
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The far beyond definitely exists, because you can use the computer before launch to get them closer to their destination. Which also insinuates it's on earth.
This comment should be at the top. Weird that it’s not mentioned in the video.
No-bark Noonan claims it is the Moon though, and the crazy old duffer tends to be right.
Not to mention that in the ending slides some of the bright followers return and assist in the defence of Novac against the Legion - so it’s clearly somewhere within walking distance just off the map
@@threenations566 They could have returned in the rocket ships. The location was probably another Repcon facility
I thought the rockets still crashed in the mojave scattered around there
I remember this being the first game scenario that made me genuinely laugh out loud. When they played Ride of the Valkyries and that rocket spun out of control and crashed, I lost it.
You didn't access the console and use Science 55 to alter the navigation co-ordinates and send them 12.5% closer to their destination?
@@jamiestewart48 The rockets only crash if you actively sabotaged them. He did it the evil way
@@DeadManSinging11 rocket crashes normally
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@@CliffSedge-nu5fvcalm down rudy giuliani it's a video game not a trial
Could you imagine the awesomeness of finding the rockets in FO4 in the Glowing Sea and having a whole faction of Ghouls.
I thought the same thing when i saw this
Too imaginitive for Bethesda
they are not gonna survive the radscorpions and deathclaws
@@JohnnyCaje I don't see why they wouldn't. I mean the children of atom have a small settlement inside the crater.
It’d be a better faction than the railroad
Jason had a plan, The Far Beyond was Tahiti
Tahiti, was Jason a ghoulified Dutch Vanderlin?
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@@Pegasuz1233 and there's always a goddamn rocket.
I don't know if the creator is real, but I think Jason genuinely believes in it.
Maybe it's just Atom? It would make sense
@kap10khaos18 I certainly can't rule that out, especially since Jason Bright and his followers are all ghouls.
@@gaelangaudette9576 It just seems like a common connection to me
But, knowing fallout, it could be something else entirely
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You feel it right? That tick tick tick sound your pipboy makes? The beautiful song of Atom, as he sings of glory spread all across the land.
I've always thought the Far Beyond was somewhere in space like the moon or something due to their space suit & that the Ghouls who returned like what was said from the ending slide, never actually went too far & just realized the folly of their cult, thus they returned.
No-bark claims it is the Moon and is usually on the money despite being bonkers.
@@jamiestewart48Maybe he was a psyker who got too many radscorpion stings.
Rockets… radiation… > the Van Allen radiation belt
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this isn’t even down the rabbit hole it’s like one of the first quests you have to do in new vegas unless you just run in shooting all the ghouls lmfaoo
@@CFronTV Going down the rabbit hole as in absorbing any and all information that has to do with the franchise. For some reason few series have ever peaked my interest in the way fallout has.
Me too! I’m super stoked about the tv series and unless it’s absolutely hot garbage I will like it. Heck even if it’s is, I’ll probably still like it because it’s in the Fallout world
@@CFronTVyeah this is something mostly everyone would have experienced on their first playthrough tbh im not sure if he’s played the game yet
In mothership zeta there is a huge blob of green which we can only assume is Irradiated land. This could be an obvious choice.
The Glow from 1
People always say that but i don’t think that’s a irradiated area, i’m pretty sure that’s just the sun’s reflection on the Atlantic Ocean. If you look closely enough you can see much of the East Coast starting from North Carolina or Virginia up to Quebec in Canada. The “glowing spot” is over the ocean, some I’m pretty sure it’s just th sun. I think if there was a glowing sea like area THAT big, the whole world would have radstorms, and the shockwaves from nuclear missiles there would completely obliterate the rest of the world.
@@tarheelpro87 Have a look at the image on the wiki. It looks very much 'nuclear' green and not so much a reflection. Although what you're saying is very possible! We can't however forget it is a game, and the factuality of most of the stuff is extremely weak, but it would not be fun otherwise.
@@tarheelpro87 this. as interesting as that would be the reflection theory is more likely
@@lordcaoliki2168 true true. To me though it doesn’t look green on it’s own. Maybe because of the ocean and surface having some sort of green tint, but it looks like the sun’s reflection to me
So I always made the assumption that The Far Beyond was Yucca Mountain, mentioned in Mr.RADical's journal that you would find during this quest.
The journal mentions Yucca mountain as the only other irradiated place he goes before Clark Field. Howeve, he says he doesnt go very deep into the complex because of something big moving around in the tunnels. Assuming that Yucca Mountain is a neculear dump site like in the real world it would fit, and the big creature moving in the tunnel may be the creator.
Finally, Yucca mountain isnt that far from Vegas but far enough that its secluded, meaning the brotherhood coming back to Novac is possible. As for the use of rockets, I assumed that was because Jason would likely be confuesed for a Glowing One and shot on site by most people.
I thought the whole thing was a Jim Jones and cults gag until it was revealed that some of the ghouls came back.
Not Jim Jones. Heaven's Gate.
Jim was pretty last minute with the mass suicide and telling his followers to die for something greater. heavens gate had their followers believe that they could ascend and leave their own bodies from the get go
I never finished the game, so I never got the ending slide one way or the other; but I just assumed the rockets had no landing gear or maneuvering thrusters, since they're launched from cradles. I agree, The Glow seems to be the best Canon explanation, although there's no complete list of every bomb that was dropped on north America and the relevant damage from each one, so we can't begin to guess what would be more irradiated than The Glow.
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I'm gonna assume if any of the games in the future take place in New York or near it there could be such a place like maybe time square could be bombed to fuck like downtown boston was the glowing sea in 4
@@declanoconnor3445 >implying Downtown Anywhere, USA doesn't already look like a ghoul-infested war zone
@@mrblack5145 Detroit before and after looks the same, except a little more radiation green.
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I figured The Creator was the Eldritch God of Radiation that creates ghouls in the Dunwich dramas. No idea where the Far Beyond is, but they might actually be headed there by the influence of a Lovecraftian-style elder god.
I've always thought Dayglow was the Far Beyond but I had never thought about it possibly being his brain turning feral interesting theory.
In my opinion, the Great Beyond is a form of heaven for the bright followers. It states that some bright followers returned from a pilgrimage, which is not what happens when you go to heaven. What I think is that some bright followers went on a pilgrimage, but because the Nightkin attacked Jason and the others had to hurry. The ones on the pilgrimage were left behind and when they returned they helped NoVac.
I’d really like to think that Jason Bright is actually genuine in what he is doing. Like he really does have his flocks best interest at heart but now that I’ve seen this video, maybe I should’ve been willing to entertain the idea that maybe he is suffering from some kind of hallucinations. After all, he’s the first glowing ghoul that I’ve ever met.
He's a 200+ year old glowing one. The fact he's not completely insane speaks to his mental will.
You can't assume that just because Jason and followers don't know how to maintain a space station or Moon base that there isn't someone already there who can. Ghouls could be running space stations on the Moon due to cosmic radiation or a coronal mass ejection exposure. Or even an exposed reactor core. Or as someone pointed out, Zetans.
What if Jason is being communicated with by Zetans who are tricking them into going into space to steal their rockets & in turn them too? We’ve seen that the Zetans essentially collect people from the fallout 3 DLC & what if they wanted Ghouls & the rockets?
Of tbey have the ability to communicate with him then I don't think the rockets are on their list of acquisitions lol
@@shogunpug4071 the rockets are just a bonus & saves them having to go down to earth and physically capture ghouls, if I’m remembering correctly there’s no Ghouls on board mother ship Zeta, that’s only one of many UFO’s but from what we’ve seen the aliens don’t have any Ghouls so could potentially be them acquiring some & the rockets are just a happy bonus.
Iplayed the dlc recently a few weeks ago, they have ghouls, but only FERAL ghouls, no sentient ones@@bruhdon4748
@@shogunpug4071it's probably a demon luring him as a human sacrifice.
I like this theory. Plus surely the Zetans are not the only alien race out there.
Could be the Far Beyond is the moon. The solar healing theory holds well enough, as the player can unlock the "Solar Powered" perks to gain solar healing themselves. As to how some of the Bright Brotherhood managed to return to Novac, we see one of the rockets' takeoff go eskew, possibly leading to its occupants landing far enough away that they could reach Novac by the time the Legion has swept through 🤔
I never actually thought of it being somewhere on Earth, this actually makes a lot of sense.
I don't know why but I always had the thought of them going to a giant irradiated comet covered in strange green gasses.
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What if the "creator" means the one that created the ghouls/FEV? Or the Master from FO1. The master had spread himself throughout all of the equipment in the bunker. Maybe sometime from it survived the explosion and slowly the Master, or what was left of his consciousness in whatever survived, reestablished himself in the ruins of the bunker?
Interesting take!
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I always thought it was space or the moon judging from what was said in one of the ending slides of Caesars Legion.
I feel like they need to make a small game demo where you are trying to survive a zombie outbreak, then at the end of the demo it is revealed you are a Zetan alien from Fallout and the crazy ghouls from NV landed on your planet.
That 300 mile distance to the Glow may not sound like allot to us but in a post Apocalypse wasteland that's 300 miles of hostile animals/people with no hope of finding any supplies or shelter. I'd liken it to trying to cross Australian outback on foot IRL without carrying supplies, unless you're exceptionally knowledgeable and lucky it's not going to happen.
Plus, their only foot path heading Northwest is the great divide.
They could have just gone down the long 15 the same way the NCR does dayglow is a state in the NCR people go there all the time
@@enclave315 NCR kills ghouls, no matter if sapient or feral, on sight tho
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I always believed the great beyond was someplace like Big MT a crater where there is technological and that it was protected by radiation and mountains hence why rockets were needed to get there cause they came back to help build defenses that even made NCR think twice so it would make sense in away
I like to think it’s just “far beyond” the area Mr Houses defenses protected the Mojave from nukes. It’s a spot hit by a nuke that is so irradiated that only ghouls can live there and the ghouls formed a ghouls equivalent of a utopian city because they don’t even need food they just survive off the radiation and are very safe
Oh and they use rockets because the Mojave desert is really big and dangerous so this is a risky, but a less risky and time consuming way of getting there
I always have admired Jason a bit for his honest belief in The Creator and The Far Beyond. Real or not, he really truly believes in it. Do or die
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The fact they say it's beyond the wasteland always made me think they were trying to head for another country that was also caught up in the MAD nuclear exchange.
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I saw this comment on a different video about Starfield, and it’s a shame that there isn’t an Easter Egg to this somewhere in game.
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I remember the first time i ran into jason bright and just by the dialogue i knew itd be a favorite mission.
I like to think that the Far Beyond is the Glowing Sea in Fallout 4. It’s heavily irradiated, perfect for the Ghouls to live, and it’s a great enough distance away from Nevada so rocket travel makes sense.
That's exactly what I was thinking; a place like the glowing sea.
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i just realized how much i've wanted this question answered, i remember my first time playing through this i finished the mission and went "so wait... did i miss where they told me the great beyond was??? so i reloaded a save from before i started anything (was a lot because i paused half way through to do other quests) and redid the whole thing and had to immediately ask all my friends who played this 'where is the great beyond??"
Always assumed the far beyond was a base or something on the moon. Felt reinforced by the moon war stuff in FO4
Edit: Why will I never learn that my comments will be addressed in the video if I don't wait until the end.
The minute you said dangerous animals my thoughts turned straight to cazadors, it’s almost certain death running into one of those as an NPC without plot armor or the courier at your side. I’d choose the rocket death as well, screw those cazadors…
I always assumed it was dayglow, just going off of the known landmarks we have in fallout
After that berzerk launch and the fact that “some” returned I don’t hold strong hope that any of them got to their intended location.
That launch looked like three crashed rockets coming right up.
This was always one of my most favorite quest.
I think The Bright Brotherhood flying into Earth's atmosphere is paying homage to the origins of the Fantastic Four. Jason Bright, possibly believing what he read in a comic book, that everyone will gain super-powers after being bathed in cosmic rays. And then, these folks would have a better chance of surviving with whatever super abilities they gained upon returning to Earth. I think it would be interesting if the Bright Brotherhood was re-introduced in a future Fallout game, where they were NPCs with unique abilities. And if you could get a member of the Bright Brotherhood as a companion, then you'd have a companion with abilities that the player could never get in the game. If that future Fallout game could get away with their interpretations of Doctor Doom and the Mole Man, then that would be an added bonus.
Hi I have something about Jason Bright - he actually has a cut feral character model if you look on the wiki, also, he states that the beyond is "a place of healing" which could be figurative but probably is literal, im wondering if maybe someone nuked the moon and thats where they are going
Glowing ghouls are easily confused with ferals. Maybe 1/1000 ghouls with sentience are glowing. About as rare as smart supermutants outside gen 1 Master's mutants.
using the rockets also gives them something to trade on getting there as im sure some of the tech in them would be worth something and therefore make living in a new area easier
Good point!
We also have to take into account that Jason says it's a place that has radiation that would kill a normal person easily. Not only that but there is evidence of supernatural and telepathic elements in Fallout. Like, take into account the special weapons and those who can read minds. Also, the rockets had a trajectory that went east to northeast of Novac. weirdly, east of Noac is Legion territory.
Another great video! Thank you! Could we get more videos on Raider gangs? Such as the ones from Nukaworld, please and thank you!
Maybe it's possible the Far Beyond is the Glowing Sea. I know we don't find evidence of them in Fallout 4, but that doesn't mean the Far Beyond couldn't be the Glowing Sea in Boston.
Whenever i hear Wandering Appalachia Pt VI now, i think of Synonymous.
it must be a serious coincidence because just yesterday I completed their quest for the first time yesterday.
Such a missed opportunity for the Far Beyond to have been the Glowing Sea in Fallout 4.
If the Far Beyond is just a metaphor for the afterlife, then Chris probably could go there.
Great analysis! Loved it.
*Casually foreshadows the great serpent and Starfield* 😂
"To infinity, and Far Beyond!"
Thank you for the new video!
Early club? I think not early enough!
My guess is they did this specifically to make people guess and feel a lack of closure. Always keeps you wondering in retrospect as you will probably never get an answer until maybe a future Fallout game. Maybe through some obscure quest line the answer will be revealed?! Dunno!
I went down into the basement and those invisible mutants scared me a little, so I went back up to Jason and popped him in the head and left. Thou shall get distracted by bullshit every dam time.
You can modify the launch coordinates to make them more accurate so it’s clear that the Far Beyond is on earth
Yep, you make the trajectory 15% more efficient or something. Requires a bit of science to do that (think something like 45 science).
@@SvengelskaBlondie yeah, and the endings also talk about some of them returning from their pilgrimage to help defend NOVAC from the legion - so it’s defiantly on earth
It would have been cool if we could find their rockets in Fallout 4 in the Glowing Sea. That location from the older Fallout games, Dayglow, makes more sense honestly but the Glowing Sea is also INSANELY irradiated to the point of completely changing the landscape and even has those storms with the awesome sounding lightning and shit.
Jason and the whole Bright Brotherhood knew where the series was headed, so they left the whole Fallout series far, far away.
The Lone Wanderer could’ve taken Amata and all his companions, along with Sarah Lyons and most of the BoS and the Outcasts, onto the alien ship, fly off to another planet and create their own empire of sorts at the end of Mothership Zeta, a much more perfect ending to Fallout 3.
I will always think the ghouls were delusional.
“🎶Fly me to the moon and let me play among the stars 🎶“
I thought he was talking about the glowing sea (the one you can see in mothership zeta, not the one we get in fallout 4)
I speculate Jason found a safe location in the Divide, somewhere away from tunnellers and marked men. The reason I think so is because they actually return to Nipton after the war to help rebuild, meaning that they can't be inconceivable far away.
They have rockets. Assuming they have enough fuel for the return trip, they could've literally gone to another planet.
Loved that quest I always help them and even wait until my science skill is high enough to help them get even closer
The quest is very open to interpretation. They either made it to their location whether it's on earth, the moon, or somewhere further or they just crashed and died.
Imagine in FO4 when the UFO event happens, its the rockets instead and you find Bright and his followers corpse.
after hearing about the psychic powers and dream communications bit, all i can think of is a huddle of dickhead ghouls in dayglow making a prank call. the psychic one telling the message of dayglow, and his buddy beside him saying “be sure to come by rocket, wearing space suits” for some generic reason, then the huddle of ghouls stifling laughter to not be found out
Staaars of the midnight ranges
Shiiining through the night
For some reason when I played this quest I thought they were trying to get to the sun.
What if the creator was Atom, and the Far Beyond was Far Harbor? They could've ended up going feral and the fog certanly isn't safe for most humans. As for where the rockets are, best outcome of the quest is they "land" closer to their destination so could very well have crashed in the waters around the area.
Interesting! However The Children of Atom at The Necleus hold ghouls to be "unfit for Atom's grace" and it's members try to avoid ghoulification 🤔
I would think it's just racism and not really belief, the ghouls seem to be well aware of Atom so they must have some connection
The cult reminds me of Heaven's Gate. A bunch of people "ascending" using spacecraft, and leaving people behind. Reminds me of the overall situation where most members committed suicide, and left two, iirc, to manage the website and remnants of the cult.
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A possible alternate location is the Glowing Sea, but simply off the playable map of the Commonwealth, or any area that was hit by many thermonuclear weapons or even a salted thermonuclear weapon (also called, an enhanced-radiation thermonuclear weapon).
I, perhaps, should not have a-salted you with "thermonuclear" so many times in a single sentence.
We can take few thermonuclear I thing were good with them, thermonuclear socer is the best :P
@@Adam0Michalski I could go for some yellow cake, tbh. Gotta love that spicy, lemony flavor. It can be a bit dry, though.
That’s what I always do. I decide, and write my own headcanon. I always assumed that the ghouls crash landed somewhere else on Earth. Maybe the Glow. And the ones that returned were the ones aboard the rocket that went awry.
Though having seen these screenshots it looks like each rocket went off in a different direction. Maybe one went to the moon, the other crashed to earth far away, and the third crashed near Novac.
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Far beyond could be The Glowing See. Long Distance, higly irradieted.
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The moment you said "North-west" as the direction the rockets face when launching, two words came into my head; "Groom Lake".
As much as I don't know if Area 51 got nuked during the Great War in Fallout, it is North-West of Las Vegas by about 100 miles.
I am pretty sure that it is on the moon/ in space (maybe a space station around earth). Because of the fact that you can use a somewhat high science check to get them closer to their destination. It would also explain why they returned, either because they ran into too many technical problems they couldn't solve because they left their tech/IT support behind (Kinda like Heaven's gate did in real life), or because they were able to use their space station/moon base's sensors to see that Chris/ Novac was in danger and felt guilty about leaving him behind. ALSO AND MOST IMPORTANTLY...Nobark talks about stuff on the moon so maybe if something was up there sending psychic/divine messages Nobark may have accidently picked it up
I think the Dayglow theory makes the most sense for the destination.
One of my favourite quests in fallout!
I think it would've been really cool if you were able to find the crashed rocket after this quest, like they add a location on the map afterwards
normal people: walked the wastelands back and forth from the East coast to Vegas
crazy lazy ghouls: we'll take a rocket ride to the Glow
New way of fast traveling
the rockets they used looked like standard ballistic missiles which is why their trajectory was pre determined and the one that went of course did no attempt to correct trajectory, the thruster dont seem to gimble and the fins dont actuate, the most it could have is explosive gas charges on the side to push it slightly but nothing significant.
It could be possible the Far Beyond is a vague destination that is far away, maybe not the moon or in space but somewhere else on earth, most likely and definitely outside of the map.
Plus somewhere its mentioned the ghouls return so chances are they needed an area that is 'fresh' to give them plenty of room to prosper.
I always pictured a bunch of dead ghouls that ran out of air on the moon
i think because jason spares chris, he is genuine. if the far beyond was the afterlife, he could have taken chris with him bc they eventually all of them die anyway. so the glow or even the glowing sea makes more sense. maybe they founded the chapter of the children of atom in the glowing sea. ... one of the best quest ever. i stumbled unknowingly upon it. at first i tried good ending und then, just for fun, the bad one. i nearly shat myself when the rockets explode to the music of fly me to the moon XD
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I always thought of this mission as a reference to "heaven's gate" which was an IRL cult of people who all willingly ended their own lives seeking something better. However, the fact some of the ghouls come back to help Novac would either mean some survived the rocket crash or the far beyond is a real place on earth that is simply "far beyond" the reach of normal humans (like a heavily radiated area). Either way, I hope they revisit this idea, perhaps in the new season of the Fallout TV show.
Could easily be an enclave facilities or space station that they took the rocket up to. Something like the prydwin but an orbital defence facility. Knowing the enclave its possible, they had that moon base afterall. I recon the flock went to 3 places given the rockets all go different ways. Maybe Mr Bright went to the space station, the out of control rocket went to glow and the off trajectory rocket went to the commonwealth. I think it was done like that so the religion could get a mention in future fallouts depending on whether it is north or south
If you take Van Buren lore into account there is space station which is still operational by that time.
@@HrothgarHeavenlight Wouldn't take everything from it as canon, but enough of it is reused for New Vegas and lines up with how proficient the Enclave are in 3 that the space station could easily fit right in.