Planetary Shield Siege Device | Scarif Shield Gate Explained | Star Wars Warfare
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Do you know how the Scarif Shield Gate works? A lot of people are confused on whether it contained the shield generator or not, but let's take it a bit further and see what it would look like if the Empire was fighting another Superpower. How would Star Wars space warfare change with the use of Shield Gates? How could you improve these planetary shields? And what kind of Star Wars ship could break this defense.
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The slow blade penetrates the shield!
awesome reference, and what I was trying to say but worded poorly in the poll question
How much punishment can it take before being overloaded and collapsing?
Lasgun ?
6:33 but wouldn't you have to worry about being "overwhelmed" by enemy firepower while you were waiting to Jello your way through?
Idk why everybody worries about that. Fighter planes make it past flak guns, when gunners are looking at the target, and they know where the plane is heading. I was thinking about using it more for stealth options, like an Endor invasion team scenario, I just used the ISD in the picture for scale/save time. But the main point is that a planet is huge, there would be so man places you could drop in through that would imagine would be relatively undetected. You ever seen video from the ISS, and yet you only see a small part of Earth.
In the novels it’s explained that Alderaan had some of the strongest planetary shields in the galaxy as a pacifist world. But, of course, we all know how that went.
I mean well yeah it’s not everyday the balance of power is suddenly decimated by a flippin Death Star
One good way to breach a planetary shield would be to send in troops similar to Orbital Drop Shock Troopers from Halo, and have them capture or disable the generator on the ground. Then you'd have unlimited access. And if you managed to capture the shield generator, you can deny enemy reinforcements from reaching the surface
Looking at how the x wings hit the shield and crashed and rolled instead of being vaporized or something, you could maybe land a ship on the shield and shut off, letting the ship drop through then restarting. Might be difficult with a capital ship, you might not be able to restart all the systems on a big ship fast enough.
i like the idea of a huge fork shaped star destroyer that just lands on a planetary shield, and just sits there pumping the atmosphere full of tie fighters
Oh damn that's true
Isn't that kinda what the Gladiator was?
@@subatomicseal7789 I mean like the concept design shown. 3 huge prongs with shield doors and hangars. It just breaches the shield in 3 positions and floods the place with ties.
Yeah
Shield would cause Star Destroyes repursollift to collappse...and explode violently.
the best point by far: put the gate inside the shield.
It is kind of ironic, all they needed to do was turn the shield gate upside down and would work exactly the same, but be completely protected if they closed the "doors".
The only counterpoint I could see is if the gate was actually resting on the shield, as it doesn't look like it is orbiting, but we have already know that repulsors are extremely common.
Potentially dumb response: pushing up on the shield might not work because you can't push as much of the weight of the gate station, or using repulsors to push it up might just mess with the repulsors, as shields like this apparently don't like repulsors.
@@nilok7 Exactly what I was thinking; also, I'm sure that funding and distribution of assets dictate that you can't always have the best equipment on hand.
Hell, I remember doing fundraising to buy additional gear that Uncle Sam didn't budget for...
An inside shield door might mean they wouldn't have been able to afford a Garrisonon or would have left another asset completely unguarded.
Remember the Imperials had an entire Galaxy to patrol(meaning a lot of assets guarded by Green Personel); where as the resistance could send everything at one target, including their best Veterans.
See how Vader shows up in one Veteran Star Destroyer and the Resistance bugs out!
Uh duh, have a gate on both sides!
I suppose it would be theoretically possible to just sit on the shield and let gravity pull you in but I feel like doing this would get you shot to Pieces immediately
Defense cannon fired.
Hyper velocity cannon firing.
6:06 I shall call this the starfish class.
Is this the Galactic Empire? XD
Brown hull plating throughout, bright red around the gates...
Or light pink all over. Everyone fears the Patrick Star.
Lukos0036
And I shall call him Squishy!
I really love the concept art of then gate. Hope Lucasfilm reuses them for another planet.
I think the thing from the concept art would work better for a giant shipyard or a planet sized military base.
Like kuat. Or idk where the other giant ring station is.
Ringo Vinda in the Clone Wars is a planetary ring, though we don't see much of it
You and Thrawn would excellent and amazing military officers.
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Metanerdz and Thrawn would have beers over exploding planets
I’ve always wondered about that shield. Thank you for explaining!
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Talking about shields- what would happen if the malevolence shot a super star destroyer or the Death Star?
Hope neither of them are near a planet.
Eckharts made a video on the super star destroyer and he said he doubts the Malevolence would be able to disable something that big with one blast, which I agree
Aaaaand for our next trick, we will be pushing a victory class star destroyer... With a cr90!
That's an imp 1
And that's a Hammerhead, not a CR90.... Fucking scrubs don't even know their ships.
@@spiritofthewolf15x That was their LAST trick.
LOLOL i was searching about the shield gate the other day, how fortunate you did this video Meta. I absolutely agree with you that the shield is generated from the planet itself and not the shield gate, it would take massive amounts of energy and equipment to produce such an energy shield, additionally, i think "the shield is strong enough to deflect any bombardment" and both ray and particle shield, so no tricks in slowly landing some ship or anything else.
I believe that the shield gate interacts with the shield itself by using the same "frequency" of the shield or other more exotic explanation not yet seen in Star Wars.
I don't believe in your other wild theories:
- Backup shield gates lifted from the planet, i believe that they are built in orbit.
- The enemy bringing other shield gates LOLOL
In my opinion the only ways to bring down planetary shields are:
- Sabotage
- Death Star/Starkiller Base
- Torpedo Spheres
Finally, i do like shield gates and their usefulness.
MC-30 spam cuz they have torpedoes for days!
@@aurorathearcticwolf4243 Planetary shields still protect from stuff like asteroids,so it won't work. Torpedo sphere works by locally overwhelming the shield in its weakest point,so it still has limited effectiveness. Although it makes me wonder how Mandator 4 could shoot through
What about a massive ion cannon to bring down the shield.
I'm glad you thought of this to.
Am I the only one who red "Steins gate" on the thumbnail at first ?
Anyway thanks a lot for this video, I had many questions about this thing that I thought was inconsitencies
You are in command now, Admiral Jabroni.
Using a hyperspace jump into the planets atmosphere shouldn't work because in legends (and physics) the gravity of the planet would pull you out of hyperspace too soon
Not to mention even if the gravity well didn't disrupt you, hyperspace jumps are canonically so inaccurate that the fact the Falcon didn't come out of hyperspace directly into the side of a mountain is nothing short of a Force-graced miracle... but then again, I guess that applies to 99% of what happened in the sequel movies in the first place lol
Dont want to know how it taste that jawa juice 😰
Jawa juice not made with actual jawas.
Commander Knight its like soilent green
The thing is if you slowly move through my shield I'll make sure there are some capital grade balsterbolds waiting for you on the other side.
Especially since you would to my knowledge have to drop your shields.
U mean some giant planetary turbolaser platform?
@@aurorathearcticwolf4243 that's the one👍
Could the “shield” around the olanet when the devastator arrives now be the atmosphere? Because the rebel pilots were just shooting proton torpedoes at the surface of the shield, it’s all pretty confusing as they were definitely just trying to stop the communication jamming, I’m not sure
6:18 I suppose it depends on the ship. Since the shield stops anything moving faster than (let's assume) 2 mph, a ship has get close enough to the barrier, shut down the repellant tech at just the right moment, and then descend past the shield before gravity accelerates it 2+ mph. I don't think a Star Destroyer could accomplish such an infiltration successfully, but maybe an A-wing? The planetary shield's thickness would also play a part.
Mon cal shielding is layered according to legends other things add unknown
are* dang it autocorrect
Neat, thanks for telling me :)
You can’t float a ship through the shield because of the reverse polarization of the magnotronic plot particles and midochlorians
lol damn, it so obvious!
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True you have to be suicidal and make use of frequency oscillation that you don’t know in advance to pilot a ship in hyperspace past the shield during a 1/1000th of a second gap using pilot skill and reflexes with no reference to AI assistance........... and than drop out of hyperspace exactly 1/1000000000th of a second after clearing the shield to avoid face planting into a mountain and destroying the planets biosphere with a kt event level impact.
What if you reverse the polarity of the manifold converters while boosting the triangulation of the hyperfold spectrum?
@@tanith117 That would only work if you rerouted the power through the teryon transwarp field using the environmental deflector dish. That's assuming the dilithium matrix can sustain the impulse fluctuations.
@@RaeSyngKane Of course! WHY didn't I think of that!
Could you please cover the shield generator from Hoth, and both the shield generators as a whole: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Shield_generators and the Laser Gates: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Laser_gate thanks very much.
Would it also be possible to do Physical Shields: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Physical_shields as well?
Going slowly like that would make you a target especially with ALL repulsion- type systems disabled (which can in fact include some shields). along with the fact that most ships the gravitational pull may cause an out of control scenario due to the engines taking longer to 'fire up'. most ships especially smaller ones may have issues going slow enough to go through the shield and not be a sitting duck for enemy fighters
I'm not even sure, given what we see that Star Wars ships have sufficient engine power to land or take off from planets without the aid of repulsors.
Even if it could, the moment you do that you're subject to conventional newtonian physics, which means you'll hit the shield at orbital velocity, or would need to slow to a stop relative to the planet then lower yourself through
- which would require continual thrust under the ship equal to the force of gravity of the planet, otherwise you go into freefall.
And while Star Wars ships have substantial engines, I don't think most of them have those under the ship.
Though I suppose you could try a tail down landing...
but in that case you have to hope that the main engines are precise enough to allow for this...
I think it could be done but you would likely burn in atmosphere, and depending on how long it takes to reboot the systems you might just end up blowing up in atmosphere.
I could see small shuttle craft with glide capabilities doing the turn off systems and pass through strategy.
I wouldn't have thought even a very slow moving object could pass through as the shield is always moving, being at it is projected from the planet, and the planet is rotating therefore so is the shield projector, and therefore so is the surface of the shield.
The issue I see with just sitting on the shield and letting it sink thru is that during that time, is that the invading forces would be sitting ducks for a dangerously long time, as they'd essentially have to shut down everything to make it through, if the defending force found the ships attempting to invade, they could easily fire at whatever portion of the ship was already through the shield, and destroy it with relative ease, since the shields need to be down for the ship to push through. A friendly force also faces the same issue. As it would be suicide to try passing through the shield with any kind of combat happening in the direct vicinity as the enemy could just fire a few volleys or sortie their fighters to take out the undefended ships as they made the crossing. The only way I could see the strategy working would be using it as a stealth tactic
Best way to take out the shield gate and planetary shield, Mega Maid.
Wow Disney Canon really fucked up planetary Shields the idea of a singular planetary shield is ridiculous in the old cannon it made more sense where you had a planetary shield system made up of many shield generators so that you could open up a small hole in your planetary shield to let someone it, nevermind if you can get through a shield generator by just using two pieces of metal in the new Canon then their pointless anyway
I still think the Empire could have put the shield gate inside of the shield and it could open it from inside. Better protection and they could have had communication ships or had a way to communicate if the shield was up.
I wonder how many shots from a turbo laser a planetary shield can take
Wondering the same thing????
Probably a lot, Alderan's planetary shield withstood the Death Star superlaser for a fraction of a second, which is still impressive
My tactic would be to lock the gate in the open position by using Ion weapons. Think the main batteries of Venators which
are Ion weapons when fitted with plasma. This would fry any control systems in the gate structure and lock it in the open
position
Ned Stanley I never thought about it like that,and it my even make it fall to the planet’s Surface with enough force
@@Centurion0419 the tactict of locking the gate open would also fry their comms systems and therefore lose control and contact at the same time making the base fend for itself. I would use Corvette ships to enter Atmosphere and use attack and fighters to gain air superiority of the base, the sky's and space. I would use interdictors to keep imperial ships from fleeing and to act as control points.
So they all died, to find a good wifi signal?
They died to get a good Wi-Fi signal to send the shut down command to hq to the nuke the enemy launched
Up a gungam style 😹
*gungan
Great and interesting video
YES Thank you! I've been waiting for This!
There's probably a second shield gate or have some kind of emergency backup plan for when on instead of tie fighters they have tie phantoms after all it is a top secret base.
To answer your question at the end I think you could do it but it would take so long that it would allow your enemies to prep them selves reenforcements would take longer to get in and the enemy could attack the bottom of your while your trying to get through
I think you could improve it by having a few small gateways small enough to allow transmissions through and a main bigger gate way to allow cargo through, and both gateways being under the shield so they're protected eliminating the need for 100s of TIEs and in the eventuality of a break through just launch some TIE Strikers, and open the smaller ones and call for back up
Have you heard of the Viscount-class star defender? From what I've heard, it was designed to be as large and powerful as the Executor-class star dreadnought. I would like to know even more than what I know about it already.
Prince Of Pokemon I would as well
Around 17 km long, and from what i read better in every aspect from executor
First!
You sound tired and sad. You used to sound excited each video. How come?
can you put a link to an old vid you liked more. I'm hearing that a lot, but there are some older vids that are so quick I can't even listen to it, idk how people watched it. So I want to just not be so quick, idk if that is being interpreted as sad or not excited. And do you think that Star Wars Explained or EckhartsLadder sound sad and tired? Because I used to think that, but people critiqued me before for being to singsongy or like I'm shouting, and I realized those UA-camrs just sound more natural, like they're just talking, and it works great for them. So please let me know I get people saying what you said, others saying I was too fast/un-natural, so I need to find a way to fix it.
is there any tech that could project a shield from stations in orbit instead? that way, you can create the shield as an offensive weapon in a sense, where you use the shield to prevent the enemy from leaving at all, and use the gates as controlled entry points for your forces
That's a great idea
@@MetaNerdzLore you'd only need to send in missions on your terms. other than that, you could keep a planet totally isolated, and if the stations sit outside the shield itself (possibly overlapping shields to cover weak spots?), the planet under siege couldnt do a single thing
that actually makes much more sense, i always thought the shield was destroyed way to easily
Those "Comics" randomly placed on your videos really makes the video Better
Drop some airborne trooper's just above the shield in pods that can go through .
Oooooor what about putting the shield gate UNDERNEATH the shield ? Like it opens it from the inside.
From a pure defensive standpoint, it is excellent as when the shield is closed, no one can even touch the planet and shield gate.
The communication problem remains, but could be overlooked with your multiple shieldgates solution or having antennas protruding from the shield (or in worse cases, quickly opening the shield for sos while stopping any incoming starfighter with powerful point-defense system).
Downside would be that you’ld need to open the shield gate to launch fighters AND exterior forces (star destroyers for example) would be stuck to a wall against the ennemies.
Why not just use something like signal lights since it obviously let's visible light through. A ship stationed on the outside of the shield can read the signals and transmit them where needed.
Maybe it could work 🤔maybe
Also what if it were a single gate like the concept art
Han Solo exploits how to get through the shields by hayperspace and the star destroyer is the only scene that made it good but still garbage but still better then solo
That star destroyer plummeted nose first and went nuclear on impact with the surface of scariff
Endurance The Jedi White Wolf it should have been worse because the dome under the stars destroyer its reactor
Why don't you just put the shield gate on the inside?? then it can't be destroyed whilst the shield is closed.
You could possibly do that, but they may be out of desperation.
Rouge One XD nice
Lands on shield, ODST drops from inside hanger bays, planetary invasion. Even better, ODST strike teams destroying the shield generator(s) and allowing a full scale, planet-wide invasion.
Used to be that there were two types of shielding:
1) Ray shielding to block lasers and other hazardous energy
2) Particle shielding to block physical objects
When I first saw the droid army walk through the Gungan shield, that was my reasoning.
In Legends, one time Han & Chewie tested the particle shield generator of the _Falcon_ by shutting off the repulsor and sub-light engines to see if she'd hover on just shield strength alone for at least a minute. The Correlian trilogy, I believe.
4 years late I know... it's the shield type that makes the difference. Gungan shields were deliberately designed to be pushed through, so you could just go slowly enough and you get in, or out.
Ray shields are supposed to stop energy thus the proton torpedoes, but in episode 3 on Grievous's ship our heros wouldn't walk through it, perhaps the level of energy or it doesn't do nerves and brain activity any good...
Another point about shields is that apparently the planetary shields stop ion cannons going both in and out, becuase why not just start downing ISDs at Hoth and let them crash due to gravity, or vice versa, fire ion cannons from orbit at the shield generator? Ion bolts however are supposed to ignore most kinds of ship shields or at least drain them faster rather than shrug them off outright. Or the ion torpedoes going through the ISDs shields physically or through the shield with the ionizing energy of the explosive to disable it.
Some shields though seemed to be one way doors, onscreen with Anakin's N-1 in the hanger bay at Naboo, and the Droidekas.
The one surrounding the Death Star at Endor you couldn't even see the shield and couldn't detect it due to active jamming in the frequency used to pick it up, apparently you also couldn't just fire on the shield generator from orbit.
The only thing I can conclude through source books and on screen examples is...that shields are not used consistently even when it's supposed to be the same kind of shield. *shrug*
Though something that always made me wonder...once the shuttle didn't reach its destination...why wasn't there a massive search or alarm bell? But alass I suppose some plot conveniences must be allowed.
EVA rocket troopers equipped with non-repulsor jetpacks and para gliders deployed by U-Wing or LAAT on the shield edge. Just have them float down near the shield generator. Pop some charges and then hyperspace jump in your fleet into LEO once the shield drops.
I'd say you COULD just freefall slowly through the shield. However that is a pretty big risk. What if the shield fucks with your engine, and can't get it on in time? Or maybe something else happens and the engines don't come on in time? The ship turns into a gigantic metal rock. And I highly doubt there is a ship in Star Wars that can survive falling uncontrollably from that height, and do ANY of its intended tasks after hitting the ground.
Star wars fysics don't always match our fysics. I would have stopped somewhere else in the solarsystem first; grabbed some asteroids (big boulders of rock and metal); and trows them at the shield at the maximum speed possible. Tractor beams 'n such. You will eventually destroy the shield generators; as you would pummel the shield much harder than the death star beam. In the end; if you beat hard enough with enough kinetic force, that force has to go somewhere ...
Planetary shields operate on different levels and scales. Unlike the other 'star' programs, planetary shields are custom designed and built. They are not "designed" to allow slow moving objects to pass through.
The problem is, that the shield is not of the same type as Gungan shield. It's not a proper deflector nor anywhere near a deflector. I don't remember what it's classified as but it's more of a kinetic type of energy shielding that is affected by pressure and friction. Likely the same tech they use to keep water out of their habitats. The PSI of the water pressure is enough to keep water out at the depths they've built. And at the same time due to the fluid like manner it's projected, it takes pressure and impact and distributes it in ripples. Like trying to slam something at high velocity into water. It deforms and wobbles, but doesn't break.
On the other hand conventional tech, which includes planetary shielding, deflector and ray shielding doesn't have these same properties. Deflector and Ray shielding are effectively 'walls'. Deflectors are more meant for energy dispersion in a similar manner to an atmosphere. Which is why things such as proton torpedoes and other energy sheathed projectiles pass through most deflectors. To a solid object they cause a certain level of impact and friction. Since they're primarily made to block energy weapons the sheathing takes the impact and is (theoretically) stripped, allowing the rocket, torpedo or what have you to continue on to it's impact target at velocity. It's also why even unshielded fighters such as tie fighters can make direct strikes against a capital class ship's hull. And why The Resistance Bombers were able to directly bomb the First Order Dreadnought in The Last Jedi.
Ray shielding is particle shielding that takes much more energy to project is a much more effective wall shielding. It's usually used on either small scales for hardened tanks and such, shielding that blocks areas vented to vacuum, holding cell or entrapment shielding, Directed protection or in our case here, planetary shielding with likely a secondary deflector layer above or below the main 'body'.
So I think that the shield station uses controlled disruption devices to open the 'gate' and that simply keeping a controlled and slow 'drop' through a planetary shield would just end up with ventral damage of a ship that 'parks' itself on top.
Trying to “sit” on a planetary shield would probably be impossible as to stay in orbit of a planet, you have to be travelling at several thousand kilometres an hour. And even attempting a full stop would mean you start accelerating as gravity starts pulling you planetside. So no matter what, you’re still traveling incredibly fast. Was it ever established outside of the Gungan shields that slow objects can pass through shields?
I also imagine the shield collapsing under the sheer power of the Death Stars shot
In The Clone Wars, slowly thrown droid poppers were able to get through droideka shields. So too was anyone who moved slowly into the shield such as when Rex blasts one from behind.
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I always assumed the gungan ones were just modified versions of the shields they use in their underwater cities to keep water out but let people and vehicles in and that blocking blaster fire was just a useful side effect.
Yes - with droideka shields and EMP nades in TCW
That assumes it's a matter of objective speed not relative speed. Theoretically it may be possible to time it so you pass though the shield right as your relative speed was the lowest
You mean several thousand miles
i think a stealthy team of soldiers in a manuever on the other side of the planet say , could drop in V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-LY thru the sheild barrier and possibly breech there generater facility ... i wasnt aware this was an option ...but yeah, i think it would be a great idea
imagine how many lives woulda been saved (and lead characters ) ..i understand how important and impactful there deaths were , but i still wish that k2-s0 had had hacked another droid ona shuttle and downloaded himself into a pilot robot and scooped the heros at the end ....i know , stupid ....lol but yeah,
i suppose a well thought out , surgical strike wouldnt have brought tha drama , and climactic ending that really sold the movie lol
It is worth noting that not every shield is the same type of shield. Ray shields for example couldn’t be passed through at any speed, as seen by all the times they get captured by them. And as those are seemingly the stronger ones (super tanks are ray shielded which makes me think it’s probably stronger cuz that thing was their best) it stands to reason planetary shields are also ray shields. I mean they’re covering a planet, not like energy is apparently a problem. Plus if you could go through that easy the shield wouldnt really work that great so it’s reasonable to assume that they went with the impermeable shield version. Ray shields just seem to take more power than the alternative version because they’re always on something with a large power source even though there’s other places they’d be useful. The outlier is the shield we see on Naboo but my theory is that was a gungun (spell check) shield and they’re not used to using that kind of stuff, being underwater and peaceful, so their tech is probably lower. And that movie was filled with plot armor so there’s that. We also see similar shields in the clone wars movie but that generator was like a few feet across, likely planetary shields are whole building complexes. Although I do wonder what would happen if you used a ray shield like Loathsome used his shield. Would it just topple everything in its path? We’ve never seen one expand that I know of so I can’t say. Likely wouldn’t work in a city tho cuz buildings
Legends had a Far Better Way to do this using a more complicated system of using a large amount of shield generators to allow for sections of planetary shields to be deactivated while the nearby section of the planetary defense network focused all their sensors and firepower to prevent unwanted Access. The Coruscant Planetary Shield System had Two layers of shields, which was more complicated but meant it was Almost Completely Impossible to sneak through both layers without being caught. The Empire apparently used this system to great effect to catch Rebel Spies and anyone else trying to enter/leave without permission.
Just don't make the password to the planetary shield 12345. That's the password on my luggage.
the deshielding via the turning off repulsor lift devices wouldn't work, because when you fall via gravity, you're falling really fast but everything is so big it seems slow. that's how some planets protected from asteroids I think.
With regards to your idea of the split decision (IE who do we take out? The planetary installation or the fleeing ships?), remember that a Star Destroyer is also a carrier, and contains several wings of bombers.
So, the split decision, is irrelevant. You send your bombers after planetary targets and keep the destroyers in orbit to focus on the enemy ships.
Maybe the droids could pass through the shield because they were grounded, but it wouldn't work with a spaceship attempt to move through a planetary shield, unless maybe it was purpose-built like the shieldgate. Maybe the shield gate has some kind of superconducting layer coating the part that comes in contact with the shield, or some other technology that creates an unacceptable cost or vulnerability on most starship, but remains an option for purpose-built vessels like specialized dropships and siege vessels.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were specialized landing craft with specially made hulls to allow for insertion through planetary shields. They'd probably need to be specially made for stealth, though, since braking for a slow touchdown on the shield would likely make them easy targets for any patrols.
Why didn't they just put the gate in upside down, removing risk of shield gate destruction.
lol yeah that's why I say that at the end. It's like a horror movie, if Star Wars is too logical it wouldn't be any fun
I'm surprised they didn't just reinforce the hulls of those SSDs and use them for ramming enemy fleets. Seriously, people always underestimate the applications of literal brute force.
The problem with passing through a shield slowly would be that you are quite vulnerable while doing so. While the battle in Orbit is still raging, you would be a sitting duck for enemy forces and if you have really bad luck, the planet will have its own weapons to take you down as soon as the first part of your ship comes through. Getting hit by an ion canon while in orbit would turn any large combat vessel into a giant rock falling from the sky, while smaller crafts could be taken down by AA guns, Turbolasers or missile launchers.
I liked the legends shields that you had to batter down section by section a bit better, the need for shield gates seems silly by comparison but does offer interesting setpieces.
And I feel like the shield in the AREA went down, but other parts of the shield stayed up. It's essentially replacing the local projector/the flicker effect that TFA introducted by acting as a vent of some kind.
Not bad idea but you still need to fight the planet defenses maybe you can put some poor guys in a "paratrooper" mission or ODST but again planet defenses or stealth and i think wookipedie got an article of planetary shields indicating that they still have to be particles and energy shields to stop blaster/laser bombardment and/or concussion torpedos/bombs
I always thinked that SW shields are weak to concentrate attack (laser type) not the blaster type (explosion on little packages) and ion weapons are great to deplete shield and inutilize ships
Remember the hyper-bombing thing? Use it here but slow the engines when passing through, after that, detonate and all the blast would be contained within the shield, bouncing off it and towards the surface, incinerating the enemy, just like what Arihnda Pryce of Lothal did in Thrawn.
Unless you want to frame someone else for this, an even better way is to jump out by the shield and get close to it before launching a bomb through the shield, taking out the surface guns. If they have a base underground/in a cave, their outer defenses would be destroyed unless they have a concealed ion cannon, in this case, have a ship simultaneously pass through the shield at a different spot when the bomb detonates so when they fire franticlly at your bomb-carrier (because they think your ship came in and used its turbolasers instead of dropping a bomb, unless they have a pilot seeinng all this and reporting that it was a bomb so they won't shoot, but then you can use starfighters to blow them up), your other ship can trace the shots back to the guns and blow them up.
The Death Star could fire through the shield due to Plot Armor !
The pass through shields were usually ground based or hangers.
Which is by necessity.
From what I understand if Star Wars planetary shields, they’re on a whole other level of strong.
I’m just imagining using something like a drop pod from Halo to deliver your troops. Each pod could have a squad in it or something like that.
There maybe different types of shields based on whether oxygen and gasses are designed to pass through. Thus space shields won’t let slow moving things through but ground shields might normally allow atmosphere in to not suffocate troops and as a bi-product allow slow movers in.
I'd say it's not possible to pass through the shield since the speed limitation is only on the droidekas so they can touch the ground and move past obstacles without having to worry about the shield getting in the way. I'd imagine that a planetary shield would have that feature removed since blocking physical objects is the point of the shield. My guess would be that the gate uses the prongs to disrupt the shield within the gate somehow. Either by transmitting a counter signal of some kind or physical disruption of the shield. As for bringing your own gate, it's possible the gate would need coordination or special knowledge of the shield to open a hole. Even if an attacker was able to bring a gate and open a hole, that opening would funnel all of your forces through a single area which would be a huge weak point.
How about creating an artificial meteor cluster to shower the shield to cover squadrons or whole fleets using the bombardment to drift through the shield itself. Thereby creating a multiple direction attack that'd also overwhelm the shield.
I don`t think backup gates/siege gates would work because you would need them to penetrate the shield/ be on the same level as the shield. If that would work you could just fly threw it very slowly to wich would rendee planetery shields useless.
(What I am trying to say is that to bring a gate in position the shield has to be deactivatet)
For some reason I've thought that objects with enough mass wouldn't be able to pass through while smaller things going on slower speeds would pass relatively fine. The shield would pretty much bend enough to let something small through but make a ripple of some kind that would be detected on the shield generator controls. I have no proof for any of this though.
What I never understood about this is aren’t planetary shields the same as starship shields and don’t allow physical objects through? If all shields let physical objects going slow enough through then what’s stopping me was slowly sliding a plasma bomb through your shields and blowing your ship or planet to hell?
6:30 I believe this could work but using a an ISD would be a bad idea as there not structural strong enough to handle that I don’t think. Wouldn’t they just crumble to prices as the ship moved through it?
But didn´t the Deadstar in the end fired with just 1 reaktor? I am not sure if this whould be enough energy to pass through the shild.... btw. shouldn´t it destroyed the shild then? Because you can´t fire just through with a energy weapon.. you just can break it with enough energy so it´s destroyed.. but you see she shild after the deadstar has fired.. how??
Maybe have the shield oscillate ± a few meters around a set distance from the ground in emergencies. This would prevent anything passing through it no matter how slow since it'll always be hit by the shield rapidly expanding.
Could have used a cloaking device for the planet.
But going slowly through the shield..no. that xwing that crashed on it, should have sunked through the shield.
It wouldn't make much sense to use all that power on a shield just for slow moving ships to be able to pass through. After all the rebels weren't really about orbital bombardment. And we see in the movie that when the xwing crashes against it, it was travelling fast but the debris comes to a stop but doesnt fall through after.
It makes more sense that the ring contained a shield disruptor, or generating a field of its own at the same frequency.
As we saw with the X wings they couldn’t get through the shields. The shields used on Naboo were probably a lot weaker compared to the shield over Scariff
Why didn't they just flip the gate upside down so it would be inside the shield and have those retractable Hangars.
This way Ties could be stored planetside and could just fly out of the small openings of those Hangars.
With this the gate is safe and with multiple of those installations you would force the enemy to still have to blockade the whole Planet and spreading their forces thin enough for a strike group of fighters and Bombers to destroy them one at a time
I want to say that for ground forces they're grounded from the energy effects of the shields. However, starships, aircraft and repulser craft are not.
If you look at how the shield gates are designed like airplanes with the energy passing through those rods on the bottom like lightning rods into capacitors that might feed the reactors. Shield gates may act as a symbiotic relationship of energy transfer with the gate absorbing energy around the openning and able to keep the station at full functionality. Just an assumption.
holy fuck imagine a star destroyer is going through slow as shit and 70% through it goes just a tiny bit fast and tears that fucker in half. or your in the hall way at the time running to deliver a message to your CO and you get fucking obliterated because you didnt see the shield haha. crazy as hell
A planet like Scarif is abundant in resources and would be totally self sufficient. Trying to siege and blockade them from resources is pointless because they could hold out for billions of years until their sun dies. If you destroy their shield gate, they could just build more on the ground and fly them up to the shield, only now the gate will be on the proper side. The people on the planet, knowing that they're under siege, will spend all their time and resources making weapons to fight back. They quite literally have all the time in the world to do so. That shield will come down when the people on the planet want it to, and when it does you'll be fighting hundreds of millions of ships with tens of billions of infantry. The only way to defeat a planet in a siege scenario is to destroy it.
Would there be enough time to reboot the ship before it slams into the ground after sinking through the shield? The distance from the surface to the shield didn't seem that great. But if the ship can pass through like that, they would be vulnerable to Surface-to-Air fire for some time with no real way of defending itself other than it's armour.
What a=bugs me is that the death star firing through it had no visible effect on the shield itself, you think there would be some ripple or energy overload or literally anything, but as you showed, the shield is still up and looking exactly the same before and after the deathstar blast.
Also, idk why but that triple star destroyer with shield gates was hilarious, imagine if something like that actually existed in universe...
There is a more simple way to get rid of the shield. Simply place destroyers on top of the point where the shield generatior is and pund the same location to oblivion. Or even more simple way -- move slowly to a shield and pass the bomb via it and this bomb will fall down and aim at the generator (slow fall with parachute and once its close enogh and away from burneable atmosfere it just goes full speed)
Answer to poll question: no because you might have to turn off your shields thus opening your self up to anti ship weapons (witch I assume they should have in case something did get through the shield).
Umm...wouldn’t that create some sort of super vacuum of escaping atmosphere blowing out into space
heres a question, if shields can be penetrated by slow moving objects, isn't it possible to just drift into the shield at 0.1 ms? it should be possible.