How to use the external tap tempo on the TC Flashback 2 (custom cable build)
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Using the new external tap tempo feature on the TC Electronic Flashback 2 isn't as straight forward as it seems.
I figured out how to make it work and thought I would share this!
Thank you for taking the time to explain and demonstrate this. After seeing your diagram of the connections, I grabbed an existing Y-shaped TRS stereo > dual TS mono cable and used one side of it as a temporary fix. Would have been guessing for a lot longer without your help.
Man, the previous flashback HAS the "strum" tempo. It IS actually a tap tempo, but it doesn't use an external switch! You have to hold the button and thge led starts blinking, then you strum your tempo with your instrument and its done! It is super useful and really effective... have a nice day ;-)
Yeah, while that may be true, it may not be efficient enough or fast enough for us guys that oka6y one don't after another almost immediately.
I was looking forward this. TC says it's compatible with MXR tap but they should be more clear on this. Thanks bro.
Thiago Rocha no problem! That's exactly why I made this video :)
The mxr tap does work. Just got to adjust the dip switches inside 👍
@@joelbizzle4174 Good info. Where do you find the info how to adjust the dip switch settings in the MXR?
Many thanks!!! I was also very puzzled by the unclear instructions by TC Electronic, so this is just what I was looking for - nice clear instructions!
In other words: If You are not able, to solder a cable, You'll never be able to use the tap-function. Great work, tc electronic. This is not explained in the manual. Excellent video, thank You for that :-)
Ten minutes with a soldering iron and cutters and I have a fully functional tap tempo with parts I already had. Thanks! This video is such an immense help.
Very helpful, thanks! Why a fine company like TCE the using the tap tempo on the Flashback as complex as possible is beyond my reason. Including a on-board tap temp in a small box cant be that difficult - Nux figured out how to do it for $50.
Thank you very much! It worked for me with my Ernie Ball Tap tempo. Your explanations are cristal clear. I've learned a lot!
Hi, what kind of cable did you use?
Did mono to mono (i.e. a normal jack cable) work for you?
hello i have earnieball tap tempo too, is it same as in boss tap tempo?
Thanks for this. Used a patch cable, substituted a stereo plug at on end soldered to your specs , worked a treat with an old latching pedal.
If you use the MXR M199 Tap Tempo, then you can use TRS-TRS. You just have to set some dip switches inside the M199 to map the signals. DIP setting with 1 & 3 down, 2 up.
Big thanks to you, now I know which tap to grab! Just grabbed this delay as an end-all be-all for fiddling with and wanted the convenience of a tap without losing that mash switch!!
@@goodnightmediaintl Same. I got a Disaster Area TNT and a one-off custom triple-tap with the Floyd "Pulse" logo on it :)
Both work. I had my guy make one output compatible with the FB2. DIP switches, my man.
Vids like this save us a lot of time and frustration. Thanks!
The best instructional video I seen in awhile. You’re awesome! I’ve been a guitarist and multi-disciplined engineer for over 30 years. It’s refreshing to see young people who know what they’re doing. Just bought the TC Electronic Flashback 2 delay and was, excuse me, really pissed at the idiots who wrote instruction manuals. The most important part of using a tap tempo delay, and they short change the instructions. Forgive the wining. Keep up the excellent work and thanks!
I did this - it works perfectly - thanks a ton BOSS :) It's amazing how this is not officially documented at all - Yes a TS to TS (half inserted inside the Flashback such that the tip is at the ring position) also works fine but that's prone to errors as mentioned by GuitarGAS (errors like sometime if the foot touches the cable it can give out a noise, if the cable is loosely put in, it may change the tempo if shaken) so this Solution is the BEST - Thanks Again GuitarGAS :)
Padmanabhan N. S. Absolutely welcome!!
You might try only plugging in the stereo TRS plug till you hear the first click instead of all the way in where you would hear two clicks. This may engage the parts of the male quarter inch TRS plug that need to be engaged to make tap tempo work. If so, you've saved yourself a lot of soldering and custom work.
But also made yourself a very dodgy connection. I rather not in a live setup.
Thank you so much for this. I ordered a “Monoprice 109439” patch cable from Amazon because it was cheaper to get a TRS patch cable than 1 right angle plug. I used my own Mogami 2524 cable and a pancake mono plug like my other pedals.
Thanks for this essential hint with the TRS adapter. I even had one floating around since I had needed it some time ago for my Kawai MP6 stage piano (which also requires for the second foot switch for the tip contact to be left open, if you want to go for your BOSS switch and not buy the expensive original double pedal). I use the Flashback II together with a self-made switch that serves as an analog tap button and a MIDI Clock Foot Switch... (Arduino project). Unfortunately the Flashback II will not stick to the tap tempo when switching presets. Nevertheless, I really like the sound of the Flashback II and also I appreciate the fact that it does not introduce any audible noises.
Thanks for this. Had a short patch lead and a spare stereo jack so made up required lead. Bought a cheap tap pedal from Thomann and it now works to tap the tempo! Can’t yet get the loop function to work though...
Yay, thanks! Grabbing my soldering iron right away!
@tcelectronics should pay you for supplying the info they should have put in the manual! thanks
I've been going nuts trying to figure this out! Thank you so much!!
Thanks a lot for this video, it works perfectly! I've done it with the Ernie Ball tap tempo... Great!
Thanks so much! Just got this V2 for Christmas and was wondering what was up with it. Kind of a silly way for TC to do it, but at least you figured it out and we have tap tempo. I had the V1 before and sold it because I couldn’t use it live without a true tap tempo.
No problem! Yes the external tap tempo really is a big plus vs version 1, it could be a little user friendly tough :p
GuitarGAS I did a little reading yesterday and apparently the MXR Tap Tempo switch has an internal dip switch allowing you to use the ring and the sleeve for the contacts instead of the tip and sleeve, this allows you to use a standard TRS cable. I had an old DIY tap tempo lying around, it already had a stereo jack installed, so I rewired it to use the ring and sleeve and was good to go with a TRS cable. Thanks again for this video. :)
Thank you so much for this information! I just bought this pedal last night and in so glad theres a tap tempo i can download onto it
wow ! That function is awesome !
dude, thank you so much for that explanation!
Thank you brother, that answers my question. Now I will consider buying the latest version
Followed the instructions, works Fine. Perfect, thanks
Lo que buscaba! Gracias genio! Like! : )
Thanks so much, really helped.
you can buy the EBS ICY-30 it also works
I do the same thing on the external home Made Switch to the mini beat buddy 2 and it Works
You save my day (and a few bucks). No I can re-use my FS5.
Thank you very much! Just what I needed
thanks, I am debating on buying flashback because of this exact reason, this make's it easy fix without spending more.still think strum tempo with MASH switch is the way to go for TC (it seems like a feature on the original flashback)Since I dont have a stereo rig, I can live with this method, Thank youthey sell foot switches for this @80-100$
Thanks man, that was really helpful!
No problem :)
There is a new firmware (1.2.00) on the website of TC electronic for tap tempo since october.
You do not need to buy a tap tempo pedal anymore.
How... The pedal only has one switch so there is literally no way for a separate tap tempo be included in a firmware update....
@@guitargas1894 you can choose between mash or tap tempo with the TonePrint editor.
@@stephdup So then you can't switch the effect on and off anymore??
Anyway, the mash function is something that defines the pedal, you don't want to give up on that for tap tempo so it changes nothing imo.
Great Job, fantastic explanation. Thanks so much!!
My pleasure :)
Thanks!!! Precious info!!
Excellent video. Thank you for that.
someone says that it works even with a normal cable (mono-mono), you just need to pull out a bit the jack from the pedal side.
just tried it out, thinking now way, but hey... IT REALLY DOES WORK!
4:40 here is the explanation, your are connecting 2 to 1 and 3 to 2, but when you pull out the cable you are connecting 2 to 2 and 3 to 3, that's why you can do that "strange" trick, however, maybe it can produce some noise around
Maaaaaan KILLLERR thanks sooo much
Thx so much. I got my Earnie Ball tap tempo switch to work.
Did you have to assemble one of these custom cables with the Ernie Ball to make it work?
hello how do you make work with ernie ball tap tempo. I also do have flashback 2, how can i add ernie ball tap tempo?
Excellent video, but just tell me what cable I gotta buy, thanks ;)
As two connections are actually needed (tip A - ring B & sleeve A - sleeve B), any standard mono cable (guitar or patch cable) is ok.
@@CanalUHF but he just made a whole video about why that doesnt work
The comment is old, but if someone hasn't noticed yet, the cable you need to but is a stereo cable
Its because of boss's version of tap tempo, which is normally closed loop tap, instead of everyone else's normally open tap
Nope, not true
They did this way because that input is hybrid, for audio (stereo) and tap tempo function
Thank you so much you help me a lot! I also have this pedal but I just put in my effect loops, No I can use my boss pedal to control it! Can it works with the reverb pedal?
Disaster Area TNT or MXR M199 both work fine with the FB2.
This is a great video. Thanks
Yesssss Bo
Excellent video)
Based on this, I wonder if you could add a second footswitch to the case and connect it to the ring and sleeve pins directly, to have a built-in tap tempo switch (without losing the Mash functionality)?
Probably, I see no reason why that wouldn't work!
thanks!!! now I can use my fs-6 :)
You could also use a TS-TS cable and plug it in until only part way, so the tip contacts the ring terminal in the Flashback jack, no?
Maybe, but that would be quite cumbersome at best imo :)
GuitarGAS I agree not a great long term solution, but good to point out for those looking for a quick impromptu fix. Thanks for the info that should have been in the owners manual!
great tip! this helped a lot thanks!
Good demo, are you Deftones's Abe Cunningham brother? LOL
helpful video, thanks!
Thanks for this awesome tip!!!
Thanks a lot for this video ! I asked TC and appart from recommendeding the MXR tap tempo pedal, they don't provide any other solution. Do you think it will work with the BOSS ES-8 (tap tempo signal from EXT CTR output) ? Thanks !
Jean-Christophe Lhotellier yes that should work...
Nice video dude
So this means you could have both the signal and the tap tempo in one cable? You just use the tip of the stereo cable for the signal and the ring for tap tempo
Not sure, let me know if u try it!
Any idea what sort of voltage is required to send the tap signal?
ant f none
Thanks mate!
Can this type of cable be bought?
Almando Douglas not that I'm aware of
So I made the cable and it works, but I was wondering what polarity you have the switch set to, normally opened or closed? I ask because I modded a Diamond tremolo with external tap that I tie my Boss dd-7 into and it works great, but the TonePrint app keeps giving me different tap values, I know we can’t tap exactly the same time, but it jumps from 300ms to 400ms and everything in between. On my Helix and tap metronome and I’m not this “bad” at tapping in time.
It's normally open :)
@@guitargas1894 guess it’s time to add a polarity switch on that tremolo as well 😂 I don’t feel like swapping the leads on the jack because I may not even keep the FB2
Great and helpful thanks. Though the title is misleading and should be "How to use the FB2 tap tempo with any footswitch". I expected some info on wether the tap tempo can be used with stereo delay on the FB2 and if there is still strum tempo available and with which modes (toneprint or stock).
I've made the TRS to TS cable and I'm using a MXR External tap tempo with my FB2. The tap tempo feature works, but when I'm tapping the tempo in it distorts my output sound. The mash affects seems to be applied to the signal by the external foot switch, for some reason. Any idea why this might be occurring? If I go into the pedals settings and turn the mash affect off this doesn't occur. Cheers, great video by the way.
No man I'm afraid I have no idea :/ better contact TC directly for that.
Can the output still do true stereo if you use tap tempo? Obviously cannot input stereo...
No. If you config the pedal to use the tap pedal, stereo is disabled, even on the output side.
Damn.
I have the mrp tap tempo switch. Could I use a y cable to maintain stereo input and use the tap tempo at the same time?
No, if you wanna use the external tap tempo, you lose all stereo possibilities.
Does the polarity switch on the Boss pedal not make a difference?
Question, would it be possible to still use a stereo input? Because the tip is still unused, could it work that tip-sleeve is an input signal, and ring-sleeve is the tap function? You would have to solder custom cables for that of course.
From the manual: " Note that external tap tempo
must be enabled in the editor software, and this causes both output jacks to
operate in mono."
🙌🏼
Strymon DIG works only with TRS to TRS Cable, Will this cable work with DIG, if I use the BOSS 5FU tap tempo pedal ?
Hi! Help pls, have a few questions.
In looper mode external button works like a stop, and in delay mode it works like a tap tempo, do I understand correctly?
Is it possible to use for example a looper first, record a layer, then switch to delay mode, and play with a delay on top of the layer?
What kinda footswitsh i need to buy SPDT switch, or some else?
This has put me off the flashback! Why don't they do it so it just works with any tap tempo switch?
Yeah it's a design error without question but if you're able/willing to solder it still is a good budget delay that can offer tap tempo.
Does the tapping function detect short tap intervals, like 120ms for slapback? I had a TC Nova repeater and it had problems to detect tap intervals shorter than 200ms.
guitarelaxed I had no problems with that whatsoever :)
Tanks man very nice video you halp me...
I don't know how to do this....can't I just buy a cable to do this?
Does anybody know if the digitech fs300 or fsx footswitch works with it as tap tempo unit? Thanks
On the old one, you held down the switch for 1 second and strummed the beat
True, but that is useless in a live setting imo :) thanks for watching !
si yo utilizo el tap de mxr tendré problema con el cable?
ivan balla no, el mxr tiene un "switch" interno para que funcione con un cable normal
Can you still use both outputs to operate in stereo mode? For a ping pong L&R ?
I'm not sure since I don't use stereo but I think it still outputs stereo (stereo IN is not possible anymore ofcourse)
@@guitargas1894 The stereo in is not necessary coz i'll use the hall of fame.
I had the fisrt flashback but sold it because of the tap tempo. Thank's! 😉
Can you tap the tempo on the BOSS even when the TC is bypassed?
YES !
does this work for tc eletronic alter ego v2 too?
how can i use it with earnieball tap tempo?
What a royal pain in the butt. Get it together TC.
I heve flashback 1 delay
I can make this ? In flashback dilay 1 ?
No, only with the flashback 2
@@guitargas1894 senck you wery mach
Hello! do you know if this works for the Flashback x4?
Eléctrico Limón nope it doesn't :/ this feature is only for the flashback 2 atm
X4 has a dedicated tap tempo button!
hi, do this work for the alter ego too ?
Nope, only flashback 2
It is compatible with flashback 1?
No unfortunately not :/
The flashback 1 has the strum-tap feature (see the manual) which means a tap tempo foot switch is unnecessary
Hi! It is compatible with flashback triple delay?
no it is not :)
GuitarGAS so dad :(
Does it work for alter ego v2?
Hamdy Bahasuan no unfortunately not :(
Great demo. Just what I needed to know
But, couldn't you also use a TS-TS cable and plug a stereo jack adapter or a TRS-TRS with a mono jack adapter?
www.thomann.de/de/the_sssnake_1844_adapter.htm
www.thomann.de/de/thomann_sk140_winkel_klinke.htm?ref=prod_rel_275718_12
*I laughed out loud when you did the 1 2 3 4 5 ...nothing is happening!*
or just get a BOSS DD-7 and be done with it.
WHY SO DIFFICULT?!?!?!?! JMFC & I bet they sell this cable for a "nominal" fee >=(
Yeah, you solder this one first then you're fucked!!!
Can you put a signal on the tip and still use the pedal in stereo?
No, when using tap tempo you lose stereo functionality
@@guitargas1894 Kind of bummer, ive had the El cap(loved it, but wanted modulated) and have the Obscura but not totally happy with it.