Welsh lessons: Pronouncing consonants
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- How to pronounce several sounds in Welsh, e.g. ch, ll, rh... includes some words and place names to try out!
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Just started learning Cymraeg, thank you so much for these!
Bore da Gwyneth. Your lesson is awesome and fascinating. Thanks so much for sharing.
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Cannot thank you enough. Beautiful language and beautiful lady!
Hail from Rrrrussia! I do know if I ever try to study Welsh but as I am interested in different languages, I can say what you do is great. Thank you for sharing your knowledges!
Howdy, I'm an American from the left coast and so appreciate your lessons. Diolch!
Thank you! Moving to Wales soon, this helps a lot to respect the beautiful Language
Lovely clear explanation of Welsh pronunciation! A useful supplement to the "Learn Welsh Podcasts" that I am following.
Gwyneth you are brilliant! I'm just dabbling in Welsh for now but I've watched all your videos so far, and they are so well-made and beautifully clear. Thanks so much.
Yours is by far the easiest way to learn Welsh sounds! Sitting here with my Welsh for Beginners book I bought in Llangollen years ago, finally able to understand it! Lol.
Diolch! My grandmother was born in Abersoch, raised in Pwllheli before she emigrated to Canada about 100 years ago. Very helpful and clear video!
Semantic IPA thing about the Welsh Ch; while the Welsh Ch is very similar to the sound that exists in many languages like Russian, Greek, Scottish and Irish Gaelic, German, etc., it's actually not exactly the same sound. That sound is known, in IPA, as the Voiceless (meaning the vocal chords are not engaged) Velar (meaning it is made with the velum, also called the soft palate) Fricative (meaning it is made by forcing air through a close gap, like S.) All sounds are classified in this way, denoting whether it is voiced or not, where in the mouth it is made, and the method of articulation. You can also use this naming system to determine how similar how similar sounds are. The Welsh Ch sound is called the Voiceless Uvular Fricative, meaning that, while its manner of articulation and its voiceless-ness are the same, it's made in a different spot, near the uvula instead of the velum. Again, they're very similar, and it's definitely a hard difference to notice, but it is both extant and notable. And it's also possible you knew this, but chose not to explain it, because, as I said, it's a semantic difference--which is totally cool! Just wanted to put it out in the world. I'm an American, and, as like 10% of the country is, I'm of partial Irish heritage, and Scottish too, and I've taken an effort to connect to my Celtic roots. As a passionate lover of language, I think the dying of languages is incredibly sad, especially when Irish and Welsh (not so much Scottish...sorry, Alba!) are two of my very favorite languages to study and learn and ones I have a personal connection to, and it's incredibly cool of anyone, including you, to try to preserve their awesomeness and culture heritage for all time. Keep up the awesome work!
To add to this "Rh" is the unvoiced version of "R" in the same way that "S" in an unvoiced version of "Z" in English. To be unvoiced means that your voice box is not used to make the sound, instead the sound is made by breathing out (sort of) with the same mouth shape or tongue movements (e.g. the rolled R) as the voiced version would have.
Or, 'I went for the weekend to Devices'.'It's Devizes.''That's what I said.'
So very helpful!! Thank you very much - after watching this video I already feel confident to finally pronounce Welsh words ... and songs.
This was fantastic! Very helpful. Thank you :)
This is SOOO COOL! I went to wiki to see the relationship between the Welsh & English languages. Welsh is related to the original Celtic language of the Wales area, while English is more related to Dutch. English-speakers find Welsh difficult to master, while Welsh have no such problem with the simpler English. Gwyneth, you are such an excellent instructor! Does "gh" have a special sound as well, maybe something like a French "r'?" Thanks again!
+raanan111 Welsh no longer has the sound /ɣ/ which is the voiced version of /x/ (the Welsh CH). Dutch does have /ɣ/ however.
Welsh did once have /ɣ/ and where the letter G now softly mutates to no sound at all (it's removed, e.g. gardd (a garden) becomes yr ardd (the garden) - the G mutated, it once mutated to /ɣ/, which would probably be written GH had it survived into Modern Welsh, after all Tolkien once described /ɣ/ and /x/ as "GH is to G as CH is to C".
Diolch yn fawr Gwyneth
Thank you so much, I wondered about the difference between dd / th, and I had my suspicions about t sounding more like ts-- thank you for confirming those for me!
Great video, helping a lot, many thanks.
Hi Gwyneth. Fantastic, helpful videos. Started learning at the end of 2021. I now find I'm even reading the Welsh before the English when I venture over the border. Supermarkets are far more interesting nowadays!
Dw i'n byw yng Nghaer.
I wish there were more books out there with regards to pronunciation, spelt phonetically like modern languages.
I have a query for you. How are some words pronounced where consonants follow? E.g.' Perygl ?' Would this be like 'perra-gul' , with no emphasis on a 'U' sound?
Advice would be greatly appreciated.
Diolch!
Ian
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Diolch! Dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg. Mae Cymraeg yn iaith anhygoel.
Great video !
Helpful! Thanks.
Brilliant video! diolch
The dd and th are like the Ð, ð (eth) and Þ, þ (thorn) in Old English. The difference between them is that the former is voiced and the latter is unvoiced. Same difference between them as between the f and ff.
Thanks so much, hope it's not too long till the next one :)
thanks that was helpfu. Hope that you come to NY CITY
Thanks for such an informative tutorial. I'm not sure if your back in the UK at the moment but I'm moving to Wales this year after 40 years in Oldham/Saddleworth. It's been something I've been gearing towards for years since some of my fondest childhood memories. I've had enough of the north lol. I guess it's not something that I have to do but I love the Welsh people and language. It's beautiful so ancient and mystical like elven. It's our true ancient language such a shame most of us UK natives have lost it. Any advice would be very appreciated it's looking like Bangor or Caernarfon. I have a good friend in Nebo in fact she teaches English language abroad. I have another good friend in Prestatyn. I love Llanberis Bala and I really love camping and hiking and I'll be spending as much time as I can to do that. Oh and Shell island is Beautiful. I spent two whole weeks between camps throughout this year and it's always beautiful new and existing to me. You know I did quite well with the last three lol I have to put my teeth in for the rest lol you such a great teacher mesmerising and beautiful though you kept my attention all the way lol. I will pop back to your tutorials here and there for sure and of course I'll let you know when I'm to leave here and perhaps hopefully see you in beautiful Wales soon. Stay in touch thanks again Gwyneth.. Mark x
I'm Welsh lived in Wales my whole life recently stated learning Welsh and I'm absolutely awful at pronouncing the Ll, Ch, R and Rh.
I can do Ll and Ch at the start of a sentence or when I just saying how to pronounce them but in the middle of a sentence I can't my tongue just doesn't know what to do so I just cheat and make the noise with gsrgled saliva. And I've never been able to role my R's in purpose it always happens by accident and I don't know how I do it
Hi Gwyneth,
I think you have to say these a lot before you master them. I struggle with the "ll" sound in Welsh placenames (though I can just about say it now, it's not reliable).
Is the Ll sound pronounced differently in other dialects- are there different dialects in Wales?
(ie a 'Duolingo dialect 😄)
I think i have finally met a language I cannot pronounce.
I travel a lot in Wales on my motorbike and when I get asked where I'm heading next my face drops... So hard to pronounce some places...
1:56 LOL!
I didn't realised how welsh is similar to russian!
"Dd" is a soft "th" sound, rather than hard
I know Welsh/dwin gwybod cymreag
RH @6:24 for fellow wanna be LotR geeks :)
da iawn, bydd i'n cadw yn trio.
Hoffwn i'r iaith lawer mwy os ydynt yn meddalu'r " ch "
Mae yna chwyn yn fy ngardd.
chwyn, chwyn, da iawn
baile átha Cliath
Hello
If the welsh language were trying to naturally attract speakers in an open market of languages, without its own govt promotion and the necessity of pronouncing place names, it would not succeed, I'm saying this as someone whose ancestor wrote books in welsh, in a free market of adoption there would be very few takers, its awkwardly jammed into the roman alphabet, if double letters are separate letters they should be different letter forms imo? too many of the mouth sounds in welsh, either sound too similar to each other or are too indistinct / unclear or cut the flow of speech with their difficulty to perform verbally, frustrating to bother with, rolled R's are ok but dd is ridiculously unclear. I'm trying to get to the point of being able to interpret correct pronunciation of place names, beyond that I can see little value at my age in learning it, I think english in relatives terms is clearer to pronounce, flows more easily with a moderate price of verbal performance, with a better carrying capacity from a intellectual conversational perspective.
"Dd" is the sound that you find at the start "that", "this" and "those" in English, while "th" is the sound at the start of "thing" or "thistle". Do you mean it is difficult to pronounce, or just that it is hard to adjust to it? Welsh is, at least, phonetically consistent - unlike English, where "ch" could be the sound in chrome or choice, where a "g" can be good or giraffe, etc. English has so many phonemes compared to their Roman alphabet equivalents that students need to simultaneously learn this phonemic chart just so they can work out how to pronounce new words they find in the dictionary (www.englishclub.com/pronunciation/phonemic-chart.htm).
It is of course difficult to pronounce sounds like "ch" and "ll" if your mouth is not familiar with the shapes and movements - just like learning any new language. However, I find that most of my learners - particularly those who grew up learning another European language such as French, German, Czech etc - have very little difficulty once they learn the spelling-pronounciation relationships.
Meanwhile, you may be familiar with this poem:
When the English tongue we speak.
Why is break not rhymed with freak?
Will you tell me why it's true
We say sew but likewise few?
And the maker of the verse,
Cannot rhyme his horse with worse?
Beard is not the same as heard
Cord is different from word.
Cow is cow but low is low
Shoe is never rhymed with foe.
Think of hose, dose,and lose
And think of goose and yet with choose
Think of comb, tomb and bomb,
Doll and roll or home and some.
Since pay is rhymed with say
Why not paid with said I pray?
Think of blood, food and good.
Mould is not pronounced like could.
Wherefore done, but gone and lone -
Is there any reason known?
To sum up all, it seems to me
Sound and letters don't agree
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English can be a total nightmare for learners (I also teach English as a second language) - not only with our inconsistent spelling, but our thousands of phrasal verbs (give up, give in, give up on, give away, see through, look into etc), tenses, and all the different accents and dialects. It is only more "logical" or easy to pronounce if you have been raised with English or a similar language as a first language. What is "normal" or logical to us is shaped by our environments, and finally I want to point out that many languages use the Roman alphabet (even Vietnamese, with accents) - it was not invented for/by the English, and it is necessary to learn how it is used for every language that you learn. Saying that, don't worry, nobody is forcing you to learn Welsh :).
@@GwynethAngharad the poem though 😂😂😂
OK, so a guy goes into Wilko's in Porthmadoc and asks where the locks are and gets told they don't sell logs. Where is the difference?
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Can you understand Irish?
The Irish, Manx and Scottish languages have different roots to Welsh, Cornish and Breton so I’d imagine speaking Welsh fluently wouldn’t help so much with Irish. Welsh is phonetic so all letters or combinations of letters are sounded in pronunciation. Irish has many un pronounced or very subtly pronounced letters.
I am fuming with rage because this language exists
Dar ce naiba faci în România?