50+ New Beta Pokémon Designs | Space World 1997
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Yes, I do know Tangrowth exists :P
I wanted to talk about both Tangela connections at the same time, but doing so ended up putting pre-Tangrowth in the wrong section. Whoops!
I really prefer the beta design over what we got for Tangrowth.
Haneko is almost literally "Flower Cat"
My favorite beta Pokémon are the bell cats Rinrin and Berurun
...why did you bring up Nina?
I thought I had finally wiped the traumatic feels from my head, but noooooooo.
You had to bring it alllll back to me!
Shame on you.
道神恵 mine too. I hope they come back for gen 8.
I honestly think that Game Freak could reuse some old designs and incorporate them into the new Pokémon games
Tina Deng *cough cough* the farfetch’d evolution *cough cough*
I think the bell cats got reused as Purrloin and Liepard.
The scrapped Tangela evolution could be a dark type branch off of Tangela, with Tangrowth being the normal level up evolution, and this one evolving through items.
if there is no baby meowth in gen 8 i'm gonna riot
Me too!
The legendary beasts look like they're going though their angsty teenage phases.
Entei is a jock, Raikou is an anime nerd, and Suicune is an emo.
I think those designs are what they used to look like before they got burned.
Despite the three heads turning into two and then three again, I love baby Doduo's design, it looks like a nest with three newly hatched birds waiting for food from their parents.
Ok think this. It is born with three heads, but maybe the two side heads OUTGROW the middle one in stage one evolution, which leaves Doduo's third middle head hibernating hidden in it's feathers. Until the head grows Doduo is kind of airy without much direction, but once the hidden head awakens it evolves to Dodrio and gets it's determined personality and look.
It could have been replaced by doduo
9:00 Turns out one of the people who worked at Game Freak later went on to work at the company that made Pon de Lion. It might have been the guy that initially designed Porygon2.
That'd be crazy if true.
"Their names are simply Fire, Thunder, and Water. Clear placeholders."
*Looks at Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno literally being officially named "Fire, Thunder, and Freezer" in Japanese*
Hmmm... I wonder.
To be specific, they were named "En", "Rai", and "Sui". They just basically extended the names when they finalized the designs.
That makes a lot more sense, thanks for the clarification. I probably should have just looked it up, but I couldn't resist that joke, haha.
Or oven microwave and freezer
They’re also 1,2,3 in Spanish
FREEEEZAAAA
This is a goldmine of Pokemon history!
Porygon2 and Baby Meowth look adorable ❤
I wonder if the original Porygon2 inspired sun--form Castform
Fun Fact: the lion was based on the mascot of a donut shop chain. It was changed to both make more sense AND avoid a lawsuit
"IT'S SPHERICAL"
I miss Drake and Josh.
SpHeRiCaL!!!!
Ngl, I have been greatly anticipating the content you were inevitably going to make about this!
Thanks Drake! I think I only scratched the surface. There's still a lot of cool things people are discovering every day, it's wild!
Which just means more videos. ;D
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hippomama llama I am in full support of this possible crossover
I hope they rework and implement some of these designs.
Dinomatrix21 they already reworked and implemented some of these designs. :3
No, a beta is something you get rid of the rough edges for the final product.
We NEED that Farfetch’d evolution. Nuff said.
It's interesting what could have been, but I prefer the final results as opposed to the beta designs.
It would be cool if they went back to making evolutions and branching evolutions to old Pokémon like they did in Gens 2, 3, and 4 in the next game. Reworking these designs would be perfect for that.
When these were first released, i was a bit skeptical too, but way too much stuff line up and make sense, right down to the sprites seen in the demo videos in 1997. Im not gonna lie, I started crying. This is just incredible and i wish alot of these pokemon made it, its just an amazing and historic find, showing alot of fan theories to be true and its just amazing
Ghostgirl 708 I
Ghostgirl 708 z
Ghostgirl 708 this can and should be continued in fan content. Extended red and blue that then enters johto.
2:22 its a tentaquil
Josh: "These Legendaries were named Fire, Thunder, and Water, clear placeholder names"
Me: Thinks about Zapdose, Articuno, and Moltres's Japanese names...
josh pronounces mariru as ma-wri-wru so, cut him some slack.
Sandshrew Japanese name is literally "Sand"
Similarly, Vaporean, Jolteon, and Flareon's Japanese names are Showers, Thunders, and Booster, respectively. Dishonorable mention to Umbreon being cursed with the name "Blackie".
The proto names were En, Rai, and Sui. They just extended the names to make them sound more original.
And Krabby is just... Crab
J-Witts: Especially you Suicune
“Ed-ward”
Me: oh no, guess I’m crying myself to sleep tonight
I wish Farfetch'd did receive an evolutionary line, my birb needs his stats!
Agree as well. Side note: I feel bad for Dunsparce, they didn't even *think* up a concept evolution
According to leaks it will in Sword and Shield :D
I guess Game Freak thought it be a bit FARFETCH’D
It will tho in this gen
Wish granted
Glad you made the FMA joke
Could he have picked a less depreasing scene though? Not being mean but, why?
Because Sui just looks so much like her and that was one of her more memorable scenes
Rawrshiram yeah but, its such a f*cked up scene that alot of people hate?
Cows say "moo"
Cats say "meow"
Dogs say "Edward"
and yet he DIDN'T make one about Animon despite it looking like a chibi Alfonse head
Theologically and RacieBeep had the most impressive art imo. They looked so natural and officially done, with the whole “washed” color palette and fading. Really impressive
Roses Racie is an amazing artist, did a lot of fan art for the Keitai Denju Telefang series, aka made famous as the GB Pokemon Diamond and Jade fake romhack games
i was waiting for this!
apandah didnt expect to see you here
Didn’t expect you,Dad
Akihiko: "I've been waitin for this!"
larasati pramana I mean he made a whole vid gushing over the leaks
apandah hello boi.
I have to wonder what exactly would change about Ditto upon evolving. Maybe it just learns how to use Growl. AAAAAAH.
If the typing is the same, all they could really do is increase its stats and give it some extra PP on its transformed moves, and nowadays with the Imposter ability only the HP stat matters anymore anyway.
I wish it could've been steel, with ditto having a more offensive spin but still keeping transform.
SCREECH?
I actually really like the potential porygon 2 and especially how different but still true to the line it looks. Gives me so many virtual, synthetic vibes. Would love to have a branched evolution for the gen 4 remakes with a successful porygon 3 being able to travel through dimensions.
Ditto's dropped evolution looks like something from 'Adventure Time.'
Agreed!
Esp the artist rendering lol
That mouth
100% what I was thinking
9:53 *A W A K E N M Y M A S T E R S*
please list every single detail. I am willing to listen to you for hours.
15:17 my spirit animal has been found
Murkrow’s beta design looks like something straight out of Soul Eater
And I freaking LOVE Tangela’s scrapped evo, Gelanla and that grin~ 💚
Lanturn's dex entry mentions swallowing things whole, so if that anglerfish/gulper eel is a proto-laturn, that would explain that dex entry.
Oh cool! One of my drawings got used! Definitely gonna check out all of these artists. So much great work!
Ahhh your piece looked so good!! Your style is so dynamic and expressive-- keep up the great work!!!
Isn't Pangshi based on jiangshi? For those who don't want to read the wiki here's the first paragraph from it.
"A jiangshi, also known as a Chinese "hopping" vampire, is a type of reanimated corpse in Chinese legends and folklore. "Jiangshi" is read goeng-si in Cantonese, cương thi in Vietnamese, gangshi in Korean, kyonshī in Japanese, and "hantu pocong" in Malay and Indonesia. It is typically depicted as a stiff corpse dressed in official garments from the Qing Dynasty, and it moves around by hopping, with its arms outstretched. It kills living creatures to absorb their qi, or "life force", usually at night, while in the day, it rests in a coffin or hides in dark places such as caves.[1] Jiangshi legends have inspired a genre of jiangshi films and literature in Hong Kong and East Asia."
That's the same kind of monster Chiaotzu from DB was based off of. It's a shame Pangshi isn't a pokemon in games rn I would love a spoopy vampire bear.
Bekahchu it could've been the time to introduce better draining moves
Neat! I liked it already but this glimpse of the mythology makes me want it to be real even more
Bekachu yes, Pangshi is based off a Jiangshi hence the pun. But Hopping Vampire is the simplified English name
actually colloquially "jiangshi" is Chinese for zombie, which would also make sense.
Geez, no wonder Nappa mistook him for a pokemon
Ahhh thank you so much for using a couple of my pieces! I'm glad they helped :D
It's always so cool to explore scrapped ideas like this and see how it all changed by the end
Gotta say, I liked a lot of the Pokemon that would've been brand new for Gold and Silver, and I'm kind of upset that a lot of them were cut. However, I definitely liked the final versions of gen 2 Pokemon better than the beta ones seen here, and I wasn't crazy about many of the scrapped evolutions/pre-evolutions either. Except, of course, that Ditto evolution. It is a treasure.
2:22 its a tentaquil
Some of these i genuinely want to see in a game, like the ditto evo.
Orlando Ford what would be the point of it though? And it doesn’t really change appearance either.
I do like an idea I saw floating around. This evolution would transform but add a steel secondary type to anything it copied. Steel is an amazing defensive type, so that would be a highly valuable ability. Sadly even if the devs came up with that idea, abilities weren't introduced till Gen III so it probably wouldn't have ever happened.
Kaitlyn McCaffrey That's actually a really cool concept. It would copy the primary type, then have a steel secondary no matter what, huh? Imagine copying a Lapras and being water/steel
Orlando Ford thats why theres hacks!
You know, I'll be honest... the theory with Ditto being a failed Mew clone has always been fact to me. But now, with the unexpected discovery of Animon, I'm not so sure anymore... :s Much like Ditto, Animon and Mew don't really look alike. On top of that, it is kind of weird to think a failed clone would evolve anyway, isn't it?
They did my duck boi Farfetched' wrong with cutting his evolution. But i think Farfetched and Flygon would become best friends for a reason.
@Pink Kirlia *sir'fetched wants to know your location.*
Bartleby Blam I agree with you I like sirfetched
Zack Hughes oh, you mean white Farfetch’d? Ya know, the twin to black Farfetch’d, like a yin yang?
My favorite prototype design is that of Kingdra. The dragon typing is much more visually apparent and I think it's good looking enough to be recycled either as a regional form or a mega-evolution of Kingdra.
I love Wolfman and Warwolf
They are so cool and cute!
Carlos Díaz could they possibly not be them but wooloo and dubwool from gen 8 it looks a lot like them it is possible they were planned for gold and silver then they were changed to normal type
I saw this post on Twitter about supposed beta sprites from Gen 1, like Mr. Mime, Ivysaur, Rhydon, and Poliwrath. Any idea if they're real or not? I know the Poliwrath one is.
Can you give a link
Amparo Lopez BadDummyC2H4 is the account that uploaded them. You'll find them by scrolling down. Can anyone confirm if they're legit?
Are they the ones seen in the Satoshi Tajiri manga? It came out a few weeks ago and featured a few unused designs from gen 1
Link: twitter.com/BadDummyC2H4/status/1005085473293807617
They're not the real sprites, but they are based on the images from the manga. (Except for Mr. Mime. No idea where that comes from.)
Incorrect, they came from an interview a while back. They are definitely real.
There’s a story going around that the designer of that Japanese donut lion actually worked for gamefreak prior to designing that mascot. He may have been responsible for “porygon2” and simply took his creation elsewhere when it wasn’t used.
Remember at the begining of the GameGrumps Pokemon FireRed playthrough when they're on the Prof. Oak's introduction and he pulls out a Female Nidoran and Dan (I think it was him) does a scream? Every time I see Ditto's evolution I think of that scream
Baby Vulpix and Growlithe are adorable.
I had already known about a couple of these but it's awesome to see how many there were!
Awsamazing Eden please explain how you knew of some of these.
My favorite to come out of this leak easily is the farfetch’d evolution. It really would’ve helped poor farfetch’d from fading into obscurity and it genuinely looks cool
I think the reason that there are so many babies is because this was the generation that breeding/eggs were first introduced. Maybe at some point in development they felt like they had to make a baby form for every Pokemon so it would have something to hatch into. It probably became to time consuming for them to have to make so many babies xD.
6:50 early Snorunt and Glalie everyone!
That pinsir evolution looks like something straight out of Hollow Knight.
ditto evolution best evolution though
Nah, Bellsprout Evolution is the best. Who wouldn't want a sexy Bellsprout? Also holy crap you're right about Pinsir's evolution coming straight out of Hollow Knight.
The memory baby
I've heard many people say Suicune looks like a chimera, but I've never seen someone with the guts to straight up show VIDEO FOOTAGE of what we were quietly thinking
I remember when I found JWittz channel 4 years ago, I would binge his channel all the time. I hope he uploads again.
Jenga
Yeah, I miss him
looks like farfetch'd is getting an evolution after all.
15:20 me when Ridley is revealed for smash ultimate
This is awesome!!! I have always been fascinated about older versions/abandoned Pokemon
I found your channel again after 5 years and I kid you not I started crying. I’ve aged so much but I found my way back here!!!!!!!!!!
Personally I think that Ditto evolution was reworked and eventually became Goomy. The first thing I thought when I saw it was that it looked like a screaming, spiky Goomy.
My god, is no one bothering to go look at the information that was released by the team doing the data mining? Grotes evolves from Anchor. They are both Water/Steel because they are part of the same line. Manbo1 -> Anchor -> Grotes.
Man, I remember discovering the old designs for gen 2... Girafarig, that weird cat-spinning-top thing, and now look. This comes out. I'm happy.
Thank you so much for doing this!! This helps a lot with understanding these beta leaks! Ive had only seen it in passing so it's nice to learn more about it!
9:40 Considering the legendary birds' Japanese names, this isn't too bad.
6:15 I think is a panda with a chinese ghost/vampire custome.
I watched a playthrough and he mentioned that the shiny encounter rate was raised to 2%. That would explain the orange metapod in the early discovery section.
I really appreciate the Jwitts respects artists by giving proper credit and source links.
It really puts me off when youtubers don’t do that.
9:30 Love the FMA reference lol
i like the fma refrance
That face on that Ditto evolution... it's like he's screaming, but more like Finn from Adventure Time
Just me, maybe, but I actually really dig those Deviantart-OC reminiscent legendary dog designs, especially Suicune, despite how eerily similar it looks to the hybrid creature whom we shall not speak of. I really would love to see these designs come into a story-related plot in a future game. Possibly they show up as altered forms, maybe doing so to show the player their original forms before they were brought back to life? Maybe it even stays in that form with a certain item that "brings back their original shape." Kinda like the Primal pokemon, but less globally destructive and more for just fun with their different looks. With a bit of re-working, those three legendary designs could have fit in just fine as the ones we have today, I would have loved them all the same.
6:48
Those look awesome. I’m sad they didn’t use them. Maybe it was replaced with Sneasel?
No, he forgot the old design of Sneasel. Did you know Sneasel was going to be a mole that was only dark type?
That FMA reference on suicune... why would you do that to me?
I know youtube hasn't been the best lately but thank you for taking the time to still upload.
My theory about Doduo's pre-evolution: When it becomes Doduo, only two of its heads grow. One remains tiny and stays dormant for a while until it's ready to grow. Once they become Dodrio, the third head sprouts back up and claims dominance.
9:30 my heart did the opposite of Nina and Alexander, it broke into two pieces
Nina and Alexander broke apart into more than two pieces when Scar found them
Maxonerous X bruh
Always too soon... But I gave ya a like anyway cuz it made me lul
Is 7 years really too soon?
TheDragonFable what you mean, 7 years? it is more than that. try about 15 years
The beta Bayleef actually matches pretty well with the original Chokorita design, where it had no legs and was kind of just a blob.
That "slug" Chikorita was someone trying to sketch the Chikorita they saw in the demo. Considering that there was only a short time a person could play the demo, it was probably hard to memorize every detail of the designs they saw, especially if you only saw the pokémon briefly.
Malin The AmbientDinosaur Was it an earlier demo? Because in the Spaceworld demo, Chikorita already has it's final design. The art I've seen of beta Chikorita is usually referred to as concept art, so is that a mistake on the part of those posting it?
TonyDan Nope, dude’s right.
To explain a bit further, the designs came from a Japanese fan page created all the way back in the late 90’s when Gold & Silver were first being shown, in which a Japanese fan documented their experience with the Spaceworld ‘97 demo and a later early ‘98 demo (from which event I can’t remember) and gave their own interpretations of the new Pokémon and Rival.
As to why they were passed off as “official” for so long? It’s a classic case of early internet weirdness, where a lot of International Pokémon fans, mostly children, didn’t read Japanese so they didn’t quite know the context of these drawings, other than that it involved Gen II. Combined with the fact that most people have never bothered to actually check where those designs came from, and you get misinformation that even sites like Bulbapedia still spread to this day.
It would be cool to see a part two to this video! :D
Tangela's pre- and post-evolutions felt really unique and inspired, and I could easily see them fitting into the line-up we know today. It definitely would have made Tangela stand out from the other Gen 1 Grass types. I'm really disappointed we never got these two. (Same with the two Ice type Wolfman Pokemon).
I was wondering when you were going to make a video about this
The google doc in the description glitched up :(
Oh my gosh that Leafeon actually had me in tears. I want it more then 5 more new Pokémon games
Was waiting for you to do this :) My favorite is definitely also the Mantineish one
Pokemon Gold is my favorite version!
The FMA reference ahhhhh! I swear I thought the exact same thing when I saw suicune's beta design.
The scrapped tangela evolutions feel like something from Japanese myth, they look really neat. I also love the mantine with the dark and light contrasting patterns. It’s also interesting to see why certain Pokémon have odd dex entries like Umbreon’s poison, kind of feels comparable to vestigial functions. I liked seeing how designs changed and influenced future designs, as that’s how it is when going back to old art and using elements to produce something new.
Just realized that Hoppip being able to learn Pay Day makes a lot more sense, given that it’s original design is more cat-like, and Pay Day’s Japanese name is “Coin for a Cat”
Animon's English name should've been dittoo
DitAAAAAAA
Meanwhile, I've always thought a Farfetch'd evolution should have the English name of Hairbrain'd.
Compucles Yes.
Nah, man. It's steel type, so the name would have to work in some "forge/forgery" wordplay.
You are the best UA-camr ever! 🙂 I watch your videos because I love Pokemon but how polite you are and how informative your videos are (so much research and facts) makes you amazing!!
Ashley Alvarez
dude seriously is so polite and sincere it's crazy lol. very uncommon these days and very much appreciated here in the Poke'Community.
Awesome video!! I'd love to see one about the Satoshi Tajiri manga thing you mentioned at the end ;)
Josh you gotta warn people before you bust out that traumatic FMA reference lol. Jokes aside, I always love looking at scrapped concepts so this is awesome
That leafeon beta looks like a Neopet
All of the eeveelutions kinda do. ^^;
9:47 wait--that actually sounds kinda legitimate
Still sometimes can't believe these were all found! So happy!
Thank you so much for explaining the significance of this because I haven't been able to figure out why everyone's been gushing over Meowsy for the past two weeks
This video makes all those Instagram posts make sence...
Another upload FINALLY!!!
Waiting for this when i saw you were talking about making a vid on twitter.
I also rlly appreciate the backstory intro
WOAH I never thought that this stuff had been released recently, and I had never known that my brain needed this information so much. :3
ITS SPHERICAL
Do vlogs again. Its been almost 3 years since the last one.
5:29 To me, this design is strikingly reminiscent of the Hook Island Sea Monster, and I wonder if that was the inspiration.
Thank you so much for coming back to the Pokémon games.
This also explains why they were described in the game as legendary dogs when they clearly looked like cats.
Did the games ever actually call them dogs though? I thought they were ALWAYS referred to as beasts
9:29
NO!!!!!
Thanks for putting artwork next to the beta designs, because some of them are hard to identify. I really hope some of these beta Pokémon will eventually become real!
It was super cool seeing so many of my fellow Pokemon artists featured in such a creative video about one of my favorite Pokemon topics of recent memory. Great video!!!
Where are you
Slowkings... Hat? Don't you mean Slowbro's tail?
Jono Lucas both actually
The sprite has the Gem on the back, in the same spot where Slowking's hat has it if you assume that it's backwards on Slowking's head... of course, you wouldn't know that from the front design, since the gem only appears on the backsprite.
I love how you mentioned the 4 star ladybug of doom. I love yugioh
OH THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER OF THAT SCENE WITTZ