Were UVF/UDA or IRA More Effective TERRORISTS ? | Ex-SAS & DET Operator REACTS
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- In this preview clip Ex-SAS solider and operator with the military's 14 Intelligence Company, better known as The DET., Mick Hawkes shares his thoughts on the capabilities of the loyalist paramilitaries compared to that of the Provisional IRA.
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I find your series fascinating. You really are a good listener and as such you bring the stories out of people who are eager to share now that the 'troubles' are behind us. Hopefully we can continue to move forward together in peace and work together for our collective good. We have, on these British Isles, more that unites than divides us.
Just been catching up and subscribed to your channel 🙌 I followed Irish - British history keenly (Liverpool born) as well as history and other conflicts, before I went to University, at Uni I was able to study this as part of my degree. Have kept reading and following ever since. Appreciate the style of interviews and content. While many on the mainland want to draw a veil over this, so much as you know is still to come out and will.
I've listened to a few podcasts with Mick. Fairly enjoyable.
Thanks
Curious that he sees local people ‘carrying a gun’ like Irish Protestants, Irish Catholics, Bosnians, Serbians as ‘bad guys’, but the British military were always the ‘good guys’.
A very blinkered narrow stupid perspective.
It's his perspective, he's an ex British soldier so that's going to be the perspective
@@tallshort1849 Doesn’t make it any less stupid.
It's is what an occupying forses say
Don’t forget India Africa etc
Take a pace closer to the mirror , wee man. You just described yourself
Heavy Mobile Support Unit.... 😂 Where'd you find this muppet?
Would you say that to his face ?
Sounds like a Walter. Mitty
Dmsu_District mobile support units
Trasco security
I R A and INLA just the same the man's insane.
Didn't say anything we didn't already know ..
Provos more dedicated and disciplined
Didn't work protestant terrorists held down jobs
Protestant s held down jobs ,pira volunteers didn't work.
So dedicated they were riddled with touts and their terrorist campaign failed again.
The loyalist groups tended to get the rejects from the police and army. The Provos initially had support from the Irish state.
It’s like a different world
I wonder did the Det or similar units operate across the border in the Republic? I find it hard to believe that they would not do this?
The SAS were arrested in the Republic. Monaghan i belive..
They were caught a few times by the Irish police as they worked in plain clothes
@@bernardinglis4232 yes that was the famous incident where SAS were arrested by Gardai near Hackballscross. I’d speculate there was a lot more, curious will any participants ever come out & talk about it.
@@KravMagaThailand id say not....they probably had to agree to the official secrets act
Except for a few paragraphs in the back of the British Army In Northern Ireland, by Michael Dewar, no one will mention the paramilitary doomsday organisations , that were set up, but never took part in terriorist actions during the Troubles.
They would only become operational if U.K. Armed Forces withdrew from Northern Ireland.
Still a very closed book on a very interesting subject.
Sounds like bullshit...the pira had the most arms by far courtesy of Libya......
@@jackietreehorn5561I think I would rather take a word of a Colonel in the British Army, than you , who missed the point completely.
@@skylongskylong1982 did you grow up in a republican area or a loyalist area? I grew up in a republican area.....but you are reading a book with a biased political perspective.....his opinion......you are right though I'll never trust a British army POV.....or the northern Ireland police force.....they covered up assassinations and used scapegoats from my community for years....I used to have hate though but let go because it does no good.....went to the h blocks many times though visiting people.....come to a republican area and I'll show you a different perspective mate
So why would a neutral British soldier wear gloves with UVF painted on them? As I seen with my own eyes.
I saw a old woman climb up the side of jeep to fight with him. There was no trouble at the time.
When an officer arrived and asked what was going on. She said "look at his gloves".
“Brave few” (Catholics) join british state forces? Weird statement.
He might be right....brave knowing that they'd have to check under the car more...id say stupid more like
I'm English but I have spent time in Northern Ireland & The Republic. Have any of these SAS/FRU etc operatives know anything about gerrymandering? Why the Nationalist community, especially in Derry were so hostile to Britain? Nothing to do with Religion. And why do people refer to The Republic as 'The South of Ireland?'. Have they not heard of Donegal. I've listened to most of these podcasts and the lack of understanding of the underlying issues since Partition in 1921 is unbelievable on behalf of The British.
The IRA (I Ran Away) only became effective after Internment, ransacking of the Lower Falls & Bloody Sunday in 1972. Despite gerrymandering, 99% of The RUC being Protestant and the treatment of Nationalists by the B Specials. None of these operatives seem to have a clue about this defining people as 'good' or 'bad'. Black v White. When in reality everything was 50 shades of grey.
No one calls Donegal the south
Why do you think they became effective after bloody Sunday and internment? Many innocent people held without trial for situations like Guantanamo bay majority in working class nationalist areas no clue about Irish history just wanted to get revenge for seeing neighbours and friends being degraded and humiliated
@@jackietreehorn5561 No one in Ireland. I'm talking about Brits describing Ireland. My experience in Letterkenny & Manorcunningham, over the border from Derry in Donegal surprised me. I thought I'd be hated being English but having a wife from Bray (Dublin) helped 😉. Always found Irish people very friendly, from whatever background, but very few on the 'mainland' had a clue what was going on. English knowledge of the roots of the conflict were non-existent. I hope for everyone's sake that they never return but the 'peace walls' in West Belfast speak a million words
@@derekrushton1705Bray is Co. Wicklow. Your wife wouldn't be very happy with that
What's the population of the south of Ireland, how .any protestants are left?
Didn't seem very aware of the political agendas (and barely touched on the disproportionate amount of N Ireland protestants in the RUC) or social disparities. Fact is as a British soldier his allegiance is to the Crown not the Republic of Ireland . I doubt very much the RUC's population in 30 years time will have 'changed' significantly.
You were the 'bad people' you SAS Mogg.
And a foreign gunman.
No no. You see it works like this: Terrorists ie Boko Haram, the IRA, Al-Qaeda, INLA, UVF, Black September, Red Army Faction, Hamas etc THEY are the bad guys. They are the ones who kill unarmed people in their houses in front of their families; they are the ones - like Hamas - who the UN say use rape and mutilation as a weapon; they are the ones who, to take one example, kill an innocent child in Warrington by means of a bomb left in a bin. The list does go on and on,
Now get back in you box, you dribble artist.
Bet you wouldn’t say that to his face , wee man
Bet you wouldn’t say that to his face , wee man
The protestants? 🤔
I have yet to hear any journalist trying to negotiate the troubles era, especially when, like this the emphasis is always on RUC/UDR "top heavy with protestants", please investigate why that is so and I'll give you a steer in the right direction. Many good loyal men and women from Catholic/Nationalist traditions were always joining both organisations, but their own friends, neighbours and families on too many occasions shunned them and provided the intelligence the IRA needed to target and kill them. I served 26 years in the security forces and have many catholic friends who served and some who still do and a credit to every one. A good law-abiding person doesn't need to be labelled as catholic, protestant or other, we knew who our friends where. We stood by them all then and now. Oh by the way, one for Mick HMSU is Headquarters Mobile Support Unit.
I think you missed the point. Forget religon. The United Irish men were protestant on paper but the first Irish Republicans...
Law abiding... Criminal's don't hungrstrike to its conclusion... And two and three tour tourists don't either..
Peter Taylor is an English journalist and very unbiased
Not to play whataboutery but what the RUC in one example with loughinsland was a conspiracy with cover ups and destroyed evidence....the wife of the shooter succumbed to her guilt and sent a letter to a local SDLP councillor FFS
Yeah you had special laws, special torture centre's, special emergency powers, told to special non jury diplock court judges, a policeman was believed over a defendant, British law suspended, your right to face your accuser was suspended, placed in special prisons on special diets with highly paid specialist prison officers in a prison within a prison inside an army camp... Ten men died on hunger strike because you refused to call them special category policall prisoners. You'll forgive me if I don't believe a word you say... The European Court of human rights Didn't. The prisoners broke the great British guantamano with their own bodies and daring escapes with special attention paid to the prison guards...
That stupid they made their own machine guns 😅
The ira killed the British soldiers but the British soldiers arrested uda uvf for shooting ira that war did not make sense plus British intell know how was who why did Adams and maguinnis not get killed had to be working for the British
100 percent I always thought that, the British could have killed Adams or McGuiness whenever they wanted so why didn't they, McGuiness was also a child molester ''allegedly''
Tried to kill gerry ammo was interfered with by british agents.
EVIDENCE ?@@brianbadonde8700
The Fisherman was untouchable...not even a pipe bomb was used against him.
What a load of shit ,they were never brit agents, and it was Adam's brother that tampered with kids ,not Martin , you can ask why they never took out any top Provisonals, Cahill, Mckee, Hughes , they knew Nothern Commands leaders from day 1 and none were taken out ,🤡🤡🤡
Talking some sense, but i find difficult to believe that they were even handed with terrorists from both sides. Dont remember the SAS in the late 80s or 90s engaging the loyalists, apart from one on the crumlin rd.
When Bernadette Devlin and her husband was shot the sas were watching and done nothing when the uvf went in ..when asked why they didn't intervene they said we must have been looking the other way.... It's in the Peter Taylor documentary called loyalists
I'm sure those who fought and died in the UDR will be delighted to be described as "not British military"!
That is the REAL way the British (English) think of northern protestant/loyalist/unionists population. Britian has used those people and created division to keep control. Most from the Protestant community don't even know that the Irish Republican movement was stared by Protestants.
Was he in the SAS sounds like an English hooligan 😂
The probs worked with the brits.ffs
The definition of a Terrorist is someone who fights against the state they live in. So loyalist are technically not Terrorist
George Washington was called one when he rebelled against his own army, now he's the founder of a nation
That's not the definition of terrorism ffs 🤣
@@wanemergency3591 independence Day in the USA was founded by George Washington called a terrorist and now a patriot
Loyalists won.
What and have no representatives in power lol while republicans do
If they Brits we're not here the loyalists would of been wiped out long ago
@@ciaranbrown1983 Lol, dreamer the only thing the IRA were good at was being touts for the Brits.
@@ciaranbrown1983 but they are. The structures of the state and the loyalist paramilitaries collectively defeated the republicans. Sometimes by working directly together.
@@charlespirate1 the state used the loyalist paramilitaries as proxy assassins when it suited them...and covered it up. I'll never have any trust in the police here given their track record
Your a bad guy if your carrying a gun 😮. What about the paras in Derry.
Your operations would have be given to you by the RUC SB TCG’s!!! Your implied smear of the RUC and the UDR is disgraceful, your an embarrassment to your Troop and Detachment!
I think you thought you in the sas but really you worked in crazy prices. What I load of sh.t
It was because they were your proxy army UVF,UDA
The loyalists were ran by the British military. This guy is talking simplistic nonsense.' Bad guys / good guys" it wasnt the A team. 🤔😔
Dream on
@@user-gl1ti5yz9p dream on? Collusion has been proven and documented. 😉
You went home to ure nice we army barracks ,they went home and where targets bombs under cars ,ambushed on the way home .most where part time worked and then served and u are denigrating brave men and their families same on u
You mean the mUrDeR regiment?
Stop commenting this muppet is getting traction on his u tube channel
@@Dhhhhj27 The loyal men of the UDR.
@@user-gl1ti5yz9peven the British soldiers across the water weren't as bitter as the udr...the hatred was oozing outta there skin
@@jackietreehorn5561 For good reason
They Just don't get Colonialism.?????
Maybe if Russia takes England sometime???
England, the last colony of Great Britain...
Where you.i involved in call sign Nemesis and if so, how do you sleep?