I recommend that you see the first season but this time looking for the mistakes, it's fun because the fights are so good at times that we forget that there are chapters that are very similar to the current season, for example in the final chapter there are parts that they are not understood and they are static images during the first seconds, but as the soundtrack plays its role well we do not notice it, try it...
@@rovsaa96 I think that just shows how talented the team was. They managed to spend all their time and budget on the most important fights, while keeping the in betweens just good enough so it gives the whole show a great feel.
Doubt it will happen. Either JC Staff's season is financially successful, and the make S3, or it was a failure, and they never make an OPM anime again. FMAB was a special case having do with surpassing the manga, not inferior production quality. So no, probably not happening.
The thing is, Chuck Jones lead looney tunes is not only incredibly well animated, but also have incredible voice acting and dialogue that is both snappy and funny. That's what makes them so absolutely spectacular.
@@MarkyMatey In comparison to what? Disney movies of the time are a very different style of animation and some were using rotoscoping. If you're comparing their shorts then I'd argue they're about the same in terms of quality, though I find the expressions and linework in Looney Tunes much more compelling, seeing as they were made at the same rate. I think Disney was actually making more shorts than WB with more people on staff.
Disney's animation quality is more impressive when it came to do slower and more serious stuff, also i believe they used to work in 1's more often, especially in movies. Their shorts are about the same.
But the point that the literal animation is used better to convey the story is a good one, it all adds up, including distribution factors but personally I have SO many anime I could watch I'm not using my time to "rewatch" something I've already read.
You can't start a series using amazing visual storytelling, then change it to ilustrated radio and expect people will like it. Once you go sakuga you can never go back-uga! *BADUM TSS*
Is this the beserk argument again? The it's better than nothing? Nothing is better in my opinion don't mess with the name of an already perfect show and I don't understand why the season director thought that anything would be better than one punch man unless he is working with a really big anime( which I don't think he is) why trade a golden anime that is so loved with a mediocre one? (Ps does anyone know what the director is actually working on?)
@@itowelhaveadream9463 This is very different than the Berserk argument. With CG Berserk, it was just out right bad. OPM S2 is clearly worse, in terms of animation, than OPM S1, but it isn't horrible. To be fair, it is actually pretty good, just not in the same class as S1. If season one was animated in the current style, then it would have still been a good show. Yes, I am disappointed that had a down grade in animation quality, but it is good enough. CG Berserk was a full assault on the eyes and ears.
@@xxx10353 You need to learn the difference between inconsistent and bad. The most recent episode has some of the best animation in the series. The only part that is consistently bad in season 2 is the CG on Genos. Almost every fight with Garous has been excellently animated.
But berserk has problems with "visuals" as a whole, not just the animation , as in the quality of the movements. The character designs are bad,the compositing is bad, the direction is bad.... One punch man season 2 on the other hand has bad animation and mostly bad direction but at least it has good compositing, lighting and character designs.
Good Animation is a huge part of why people would watch any animated art. If it doesn't look good then it doesn't attract peoples eye no matter how good it is. Perfect example being one punch man. We all know how good the story is but if the animation sucks (in comparison to the amazing animation the last season had) then it's some cheap cop out. I would've preferred waiting another 2 years for a one punch man season 2 with the original studio doing it than this garbage
"Does anime need good animation?" Short answer: Yes. Good animation: 1. Fits the tone of the story being told. 2. Logically and clearly conveys what it is attempting to show. 3. Is aesthetically pleasing and/or interesting. 4. Is consistent. I care about story far more than animation, but I'll drop anything that doesn't follow these four rules.
You could probably say "is aesthetically pleasing" is _very_ subjective, as opposed to other more objective qualities like consistency and tone. I haven't seen OPM S2 myself yet, so I can't truly give the "eh it's actually okay" argument, but I'm getting the impression that people are shitting on it because it's not _absolutely brilliant_ anymore, and is instead just _good/alright._
Then you’re probably missing out on a lot of good shows that had low animation budgets. There isn’t any one perfect mindset to have when going about watching anime, and ruling out a series anses on lackluster animation just seems arbitrary to me. If the writing and OST is good, poor animation can be excused. I couldn’t really say the same thing about anime with good animation and bad writing.
I think the reason animation quality matters, especially for OPM, is the fact that a lot of the gags from OPM are visually based. A lack of visual quality would mean reduced quality of the gags, which is what I think makes OPM more accessible for newcomers to the world of anime. I haven't watched any OPM S2 yet, so I can't comment on this and make a final opinion on it, but I'm not looking too forward to it.
@@IzzySarru dude dont rag on that, his art in theweb comic does a good job of conveying the emotions and actions of the fights well. The manga is literally just a refinement. That art is him
That would explain why I was averaging maybe 1 good laugh per episode for the first 3-4 episodes. To be honest I was bored through half the first episode, I couldn't really care less about Genos and his check box list action scene of 'fight the robot' 'get the upgrade' 'reiterate your life goals'
@@krokodilegrundee5101 I'm not ragging on it. I just think it's funny because those "low quality visuals" were what it looked like when it got SUPER popular. Popular enough for Murata to watch to re-draw it in a published magazine. Besides, ONE has improved a lot since those days. Mob Psycho 100 looked pretty great and the style carried well into the animation.
I don't understand that point of view. Do you have an example from the first season where the gag would get worse with lower quality in the animation? Often they use actually the opposite to give you the punch line of the gag - low quality display of saitama to show that he is bored etc. with a simple 2D drawing instead of shading depth etc.
The thing that puts me off with opm 2 is the directing rather than the animation. The first episode feels rushed.... it seems like they wanted to get to the king stuff(which is the good stuff) without them reintroducing to our main two characters. It doesn’t work in the context of the 4 years hiatus and it doesn’t work when you binged it with the way they ended season 1.
Honestly that episode was a LOT better because most anime that try to reintroduce characters are usually boring. Plus connecting King to Saitamas backstory was really well done.
@@EvyDevy Sure it might have been a good first sequel episode, but I feel like having that sort of boring reintroduction of the characters done in a comical way, easing us back into the series by having Saitama and Genos do a mundane, unhero-like task would have been more in tune to the feel of the first series, the feel of which had me watching it in the first place. Having King's story in the first episode (the setting and intro of the series) really creates a much more serious and heavy/melancholic atmosphere and story, which I personally don't appreciate. This sets up the series to be fast-paced and action driven. I (yes this is personal, you don't have to agree) was never invested much in the action and exactly where the characters' stories went, but the journey (the very comical twists and turns) that the characters had to navigate, as well as the maybe flexible art style/animation they had, which went from comically serious and detailed to dumb in seconds flawlessly. On the other hand, the new, polished animation makes it harder for them to have flexibility in the art for comical effect, especially if they don't have the experience for it, and the technique like they had in opm 1.
JC Studios is following Murata's manga almost frame by frame. This makes boring direction. The emotional moments don't have time to breathe before moving to the next plot point..
I think the biggest issue with "bad animation" is when a show used to have MUCH better animation before so the difference in quality is just absolutely jarring. One Punch Man Season 2 is an example for that as well as the most recent Final Season of Attack on Titan. I really wish people would have more patience in general so that the products they love come out when they are as good as they can be. But as stated in the video companies just try to keep their brands relevant so they don't even care if the quality and creativity suffers for that.
Actually, now that you mentioned it, Attack of Titan is still a really great example of some very nice animation and improving quality per season, rather declining quality. *EDIT:* I love the attraction that this comment has started and allow me to give some additional opinions. Story wise I haven't really felt an noticeable increase in quality. That doesn't mean it declined. In fact, the story stays strong as it always has been. Some people ridicule the attack on human part of the show, but I think it showed another great aspect of the world, that in the end we are dealing with humans after all. A government/monarchy ruling over its citizens, doing all they must to stay in power is not something you can outrule, as the show tells you. I also personally love the sound quality, it's very, very detailed and makes the world they live in so much more real than that is.
@@pervysage5465 also you cannot help but cringe and skip all these ridiculous discussions about 'being a warrior or a soldier' or whatever new word the author learned for the next chapter. The part when Eren hanged out with Reiner, Berthold and Ymir in a forest made me frop the manga what five years ago? Now I came back to watch the series and I barely made it through those god-awful episodes. And the Histeria eating Eren part was cringeworthy as hell.
@@presentmic5233 We only cheer MHA on so that BONES can make more money for a bigger budget for more and better Mob Psycho 100. And if this happened, we would also cheer MHA on so that BONES can make more money to have a bigger budget for more and better One Punch Man.
@@mr.generalissimo5678 MHA is a waste. It contains so many Shounen cliche's, it's not even funny anymore. It IS intended for a younger audience though, which is exactly why it's cliche-ish.
Mob Psycho 100>OPM now for me. Season 2 hasn't really done anything that the manga has already done so it's a skip for me. Guess I'll wait to see what the Anime bigwigs decide to do with the inevitable season 3.
inevitable? thats debatable knowing fans might have boycotted this series all together so studios would fear taking the challenge of having a decent adatation.
@@E_blanknamehere I don't think Yusuke Murata has the time... Manga chapters for one punch man seem to be speeding up a little but (because of his dad's death ) , it'll probably be a while until we get our next one punch man chapter. This makes me doubt if he'll have the time to take on even more work (mp100 would be too much I think)
I love Murata’s art, but mob psycho’s atmosphere and humor doesn’t match his style at all. Every character will inevitably become super attractive, which is unsuitable for MP’s message.
I'm late, but I totally agree. The OPM manga is already beautiful - the only reason I'd feel inclined to watch the anime is if it did something the manga couldn't do... like, say, really good animation. Season 1 of OPM did this, but since it looks like season 2 didn't, I personally don't see a point in watching it. The manga is the better medium for this, in my opinion. MP100 is fantastic though. The anime is soooo good.
Animation matters, especially when we are still working very hard to fight against one of the greatest demons of modern day anime; *_CGI CHARACTERS, CROWDS, AND VEHICLES!!!_*
I judge an anime based on its story first, then its animation. The problem is is that I already read the OPM manga so I wanted to watch the anime for its animation. Needless to say, I was disappointed
@@dream6562 i was reading OPM before the Anime aired. As for how to tell if its good or not without an Anime. Well the same way I find if an Anime is good or not
Honestly, I didn't exactly mind the drop in animation quality, as long as the story was compelling. And it was. A lot more than the first season's story.
In terms of OPM, yes. Animation is very important. The animation style has to remain consistent in order to create a fantastic anime. I know that people are impatient, but quality is better than quantity.
does it, though? the web comic became a smash hit with some of the worst art imaginable. OPM has been blessed by murata and madhouse lending their talents, but the reason people care about OPM is because it has amazing writing and drags you into the story.
@@thomasjenkins7506 I mean, the art did stay consistent. I'm saying that if you change the animation, especially if the product is known for great animation, it will make it feel different and unnatural.
That's a very bad comparison... 1st, it's a weekly anime, OPM S2 had years to produce. Also, studio making black clover had financial difficulties resulting in a dip of quality. Finally, OPM S2 is comparable to what black clover has been putting out lately. The number of panning stills, close ups, and lack of actual animation in fight scenes is simply atrocious. Just read the manga...
@@Makareno94 OPM is seasonal, not weekly. I was debating whether to write years or over a year. Actual production must have taken the better part of the year. But planning and scheduling, etc must have started well before that. There's a big difference when you only have to make 10-13 episodes of seasonal anime in 1.5years, and weekly anime with it's 56 episodes in a year with barely any breaks.
I think Black Clover got some pretty good fight scenes from time to time with "eh..." at worst from my recent memory. The non fight scenes though can be utter shit. I remember a fairy recent scene of an over-top far view of the battle field and I scrambled to hit pause because it's so bad I got disoriented, look at for a while, and get even more disoriented. My worst problem with it though is the characters (spectators) commenting in order as the camera pans by.
Short answer, it depends on the genre. Also OPM S2 has way more problems than just the animation, the whole artstyle is completely wrong even in scenes where nothing is happening and they could just one to one copy the manga.
I agree, literally the only thing that's going for it right now is its story from the original source material and voice acting and I guess some audio. But the art, as well general direction is weird and lazy for the most part.
they barely even have animation. What bugs me is that they sacrifice inbetweens for a more detailed art style yet they still heavily fails on making it look decent. I think one of their major mistakes is not having a decent art director with the color schemes ending as painful in the eye.
The pacing/direction in the latest episode was just terrible. I was an avid defender of season 2 because i just love the fact that we are getting more OPM, but that fifth episode broke me. Whats funny is that i would definitely consider myself a casual fan when it comes to anime, so when even i can tell that the second season is one hell of a downgrade, we have a problem.
@@nostalgiatrip1 Even the audio is lazy. They used the same "fast impact sounds" audio clip in about 3 different fight scenes in the last episode. I agree story and voice acting are great
Thank God, Mob Psycho season 1 never got as popular as OPM season 1 so they didn't feel the need to rush season 2. They took their time to make Mob Psycho season 2 phenomenal.
When I looked back on season 1, I realized that the animation we got was some top-tier work from very talented and motivated people. The dream team if you will.
It also had an amazing story. Animation doesn't make a show good. It can make it better, but animation alone will not matter if the story's shit. OPM has a great story and world, that's what matters.
OPM season 2 just really annoys me. For someone who has bad vision and always sees things in a blur. I HATE THE MOTION BLUR IN FIGHT SCENES Edit: I’m also talking bout the lack of animation that creates a blur when someone punches not only the epilepsy prevention
So you don't have to worry then. Cause it so little of it and the ones that happen you better of not seeing. As some one that watches is just for Garou/Story yeah. This video just made me so sad for opm second season.
This is actually why I, personally speaking, prefer shows that have a simpler art style but more fluid animation, as opposed to the other way around. Don't get me wrong, epic, flashy visuals are always a treat to see. But sometimes I find less is more, and it's about what you do with what you've got that matters, as opposed to the subject (animation) itself. Netflix's Hilda is a show I'm semi-obsessed with and is a perfect example of simpler art styles done in a fluid, dynamic way, that enhances the story of child-like wonder and Scandinavian-style mythology. Gurren Laggan is my favourite anime of all time, partly because of its ridiculous visuals and creative giant robot designs, but more so because of its characters. The heart of Gurren Lagann is overcoming impossible odds, and facing any challenge head on, knowing you have your friends to help along the way. As you say, animation is only part of what can make an anime (or animation in general) good. It's absolutely possible to thrive on a combination of factors where one aspect falls short.
One of my art teachers once said something along the lines of: You can have a beautiful drawing be ruined by painting it badly. You can have a bad drawing but paint it beautifully. For me, a show with beautiful animation, character designs and all that can be ruined by bad storytelling. Rise of The TMNT comes to mind. (Fight me!) A show with bad or very stiff animation with strong storytelling, memorable characters, is far more enjoyable.
@@escarretada Not what I meant. Good animation with a good story to me is just bonus points. If the animation isn't Disney quality, but the show is still good, I'm still going to watch it. Hell, I've watch things with god awful dubbing because the story in the show was still good. In all honesty, I think people just want to be spoiled when it comes to animated shows. After all, we do have the technology to make animation easier than ever, things like flash was meant to make animation smoother and more fluent. CGI also makes animation come out faster, and has gotten more detailed over the past 20 years. But I know that many shows still sometimes get lazy with these tools but may overall still have good stories to tell with good characters. However I've seen people still dismiss shows just because of choppy animation.
@@Zinervawyrm Because the manga has the same story, not mention paced better and has a better sense of motion and impact. Murata's art is godly as well, as the people working on the 1st season was scared that they wouldn't live up to the hype that the manga brought. Season 1 had passion, as they were doing their best to make it. Season 2 was rushed, and a lot of production issues and we got what we got. I think what the other guy was implying is that you love the story, which the manga has and utilizes it better in every other way. So why watch the anime for the story alone?
Honestly the "meh" animation was expected and it doesn't really bother me much(tho I still wish we got to see what Shingo Natsume and MadHouse could've done with it), my big issue is the pacing, wich is completely off. I went trought a couple of versions on diferent sources just to make sure that I'm not watching some speed up edit, almost everything feels rushed and most scenes don't get any room to breathe or build up. The best/worst example probably being Genos using Accelerate for the first time against Sonic, a monstrously badass moment of Genos declaring "You lose." was relegated to a rushed flash of a scene(tho I do agree on the sound quallty in most cases, the "boom" of Genos's movement was perfectly chosen), and overall that's what a lot of it feels like. Its like the show is just ticking of boxes on the "manga did that" list without much thought or reason behind it. They are also missing some amazing shots from the manga that matter more than I think they realize, that is especially noticible in episode's 3 fight between Garo and the tank top band, they missed or underdelivered a bunch of Garou's expressions that make him feel genuinely dangerous and terryfying or how they ditched the shot of Saitama's countless casual faced afterimages smashing past Sonic, wich was one of the funniest scenes in the series so far. Its still allright overall, but its really just riding on the quallity of the base material while barerly adding anything from itself. If anyone asks me, 10/10 times I'll recomend the manga over it unlike with the first season where both versions are equally worth a watch/read and stand tall on their own. Oh and one more thing, the music is horribly underwheliming, I can't recall a single theme from S2 so far, nor can I think of a scene where the music was impactfull in any meaningfull way.
Madhouse would injected so much CGI into the anime considering their track record recently. Hell, I can imagine the giant bird in ep 1 being made up of entirely cgi WAY too easily.
I agree about the pacing. It feels like JC Staff is rushing through the volumes and trying not to linger on fight scenes (which would actually require effort to animate).
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 the most impactful parts of the show is when it plays that theme. When his expressions are lacking the theme kicks in and fills the gap it leaves, for me at least
Different director Different directions You got Steven Spielberg in the first season And Then you got Michael bay in the second season BOOM Instant effects
The thing is, the animation is good if we comapare it to a mediocre seasonal anime adaptation (say Index or Date a Live). But if we compare it to the animation of the first season of OPM, then yes, it's terrible.
Well, i disagree. Kenja no mago it is a mediocre seasonal anime and a generic isekai.But Kenja no Mago still have a better animation than OPM second season
for me, the only reason I watch anime is if the animation is worth my while, if it's not a visual feast I get more enjoyment out of just reading the manga/light novels.
Honestly.... The fights don't really sound good. Specifically, they have a specific impact sound that they WAY overuse to the point where it yanked me out of the immersion. You can cut a corner or two, but not ALL the corners.
Honestly if they cut enough corners I feel that it is better to read the manga as the main reason I watch anime is to see the great action in manga brought to life, in vibrant and fluid animation
Yeah that one whooshing slapping sound they used a lot was like a harsh reminder that I was watching an inferior product. And the weird color swipes that would usually accompany them
What i personally think is while sakuga is definitely cool to have in shots i would rather have an anime that had good strong direction across the board rather then just a couple really good scenes. JoJo is a great example of this - sure it doesn't have tons of sakuga strong but the direction for the animation especially in JoJo Part 5 is really damn strong (Episode 27,28 being great examples of this). OPM S2 could get way with the lack of sakuga if it can particularly strong direction but it feels ho-hum - like an A1 Pictures adaption.
Yup. The thing that really turns me down from OPM2 is the lack of strong direction, it's just feel so generic -like a generic LN anime- and given that I watch 3 different shows with 3 different style (Vento Aureo, AOT and Demon Slayer), I can't watch OPM2 without comparing it to that 3 anime.
is it just me, or does every episode feel nonsatisfying and just build up upon build up upon build up and just a bunch of cliff hangers without much return or satisfaction?
I honestly think this is due (at least in part) to the animation. Each episode ends by teasing a conflict, so you subconsciously keep waiting for a badass fight each episode only to see it utterly half-assed with poor animation. Shortly afterwards you are presented with another tease, resetting the cycle and keeping you excited without ever actually fulfilling your expectations.
We dont NEED sportscars to enjoy driving, a cheap low PS car can be fun too. We dont NEED elaborate, high quality food, a simple meal can be delicious, too. We dont NEED OPM season 1 animation, OPM season 2 can be enjoyable, too. But we WANT all those things. The other things may be good, too, but great things are better.
Exactly this. The quality of season 2 far exceeds "watchable" standards. You can critique parts of it, but I think most people will find they will enjoy the season overall
imjustherefortehlulz what classes as ‘watchable’ is it by your standards cause I can’t look at saitamas brown head, and non fluid animation, Saitamas flash step wasn’t even shown so you couldn’t tell what was even happening until sonic explained it afterwards, in the fights they skip the actual action and just show the impacts afterwards so you’ve gotta guess what happened in most, most the gags are animated pretty shitty
@@dadeee7776 hmm, well I guess what I've been trying to say is that overall, everything factored in, I think nothing in the show stands out as so bad that it ruins it, and in addition, all aspects of the show are of a good enough quality to be deemed as "good" or "watchable". Does that make more sense?
Vesten ziRnis JoJo is a bit different as the characters are way more elaborately designed and are therefore more difficulty to animate. So JoJo’s animation isn’t as fluid as some of its contemporaries but it does have excellent direction - the shot choices, framing, editing, colour alterations etc. give it a unique flavour that makes it appealing to watch.
But so does pacing, direction, cinematography, music, voice acting, sound design, story/script, etc. The worst things in a show, for me, are bad pacing and a poorly thought-out story.
I've only seen the first episode and was interested but I cannot deny an involutnary ehch exited my mouth when there where those scenes of the cg waddle run. I know Ufotable is known for compositing CG really well but that just stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded and eletist.
Do you guys have any problem with OPM S2's fps? Idk but the pacing and animation is kinda fast to me. The animation was a huge downgrade compared to S1. Also the sounds is not well synced with the animation. Those were my animation
I have gone into watching season 2 with no prior knowledge of the studio switch. It also has been at least a year or so since I've last watched season 1 so I almost had no recollection of it whatsoever. All I can remember that it was an awesome show I watched long time ago. Season 2 was out for a while now so I though to myself, why not? First seeing that crappy OP filled with bold text zooming across the screen, I knew something was off. I then progressively start taking notice of the animation and even the writing. It got to the point that I actually paused the episode I was watching because of it, opened a new tab and checked who the hell did season 2. Then it all made sense.
See I think that's part of the reason why most people seemed to really enjoy Season 2 still, it's been a while since they've seen the first season and didn't compare it. I was someone who honestly never gave animation itself that much thought, I enjoyed OPM S1 but the animation quality never stood out to me outside of the last fight. Then this whole debacle started and I realized how much I took OPM S1's quality for granted. I just don't get how someone could compare the two seasons back to back and not notice a severe difference.
Yeah animation matters. Myself having read the manga, I already know the storyline and plots. Now I wanted those epic fights animated and super gorgeous CGI but we're given this. *sad*
dude NHK is like Monogatari where it doesnt need spectacular animation most of the time and it has its characters just talking and not moving too much, so yeah it makes sense if it isnt that well animated
Black Eyes No no. I loved season one. The timing of the jokes were perfect, and the delivery was just overall better. Saitma sounds a bit weirder now, I can’t quite put my finger on it, just go compare a few episodes with each other and see.
Dynasty Tbh, the only joke that really landed for me was the banana one and the ‘cut to Saitma applying for the contest’ one. The rest just seem offbeat to me. I dunno.
The story though in this season was just glorious That part when Siryu was calling out for help had me holding my breath like never before. Something I never expected from an anime where the protagonist hasn't even come close to fighting seriously That being said I still think that Sn 2 wasn't as bad as people put it. It was still good enough to meet my expectations
So many commenters who clearly only read the title card and didn’t watch the video. 😂There’s a lot of pieces that make up an anime and any show will always have strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes a show’s animation will be a weakness. I can appreciate the strengths of a show, be critical of its shortcomings, and still thoroughly enjoy it all at the same time. Teachers don’t just give out As and Fs, and there’s a lot of shows I’d objectively give Bs, Cs, and Ds to that were great and in some cases have become favorites of mine.
Yutaka Nakamura, the man is one and the only in the industry. He could recreate it but he is currently working for Bones and I highly doubt it J Staff will ever employ him.
To be fair, some anime are essentially audiobooks (those ones that always have people on the sidelines explaining what is happening- “Impossible! A just blocked B’s Ultimate Attack with one hand! A looks REALLY pissed. He’s glowing now, WTFFFFFFF!”). I do agree that the animation is important, but I’m more concerned with the directorial choices than the “quality” of the animation itself. A good director can find creative ways to suggest more motion than is actually happening, whereas smooth animation can only do so much to redeem a boringly-shot fight scene. Ideally we’d get both creative direction AND good animation, but I’d choose the former if I can only have one.
There's "matters" and then there's "does it need it". As MB was getting at, there's a lot that goes into making a show enjoyable. Season two of OPM has ho-hum animation, at best. But even worse, it has bad direction. Voice acting is good, sound design is good, script/story is good, but with bad direction, it simply won't be exciting. (Also, bad pacing and ho-hum music) So yeah. There's at least four things wrong here, and animation is just one of them.
My biggest gripe is that the animations dont even feel that powerfull. I cant really explain why, but the op1 fights felt powerfull and energetic. In the second season...i was kinda missing that feeling. I was just watching it till it ended...i wished they would have waited. I still think the story is good enough to carry it, but still ...after most op1 fights i was really pumped and was enjoying them and even laughing etc. But the fights in op season 2 felt off...the attacks felt less powerfull and some of the models just took me out of it(The shiny robout whose movement looked off and genos static 3d machinegun blows) Hope they can make a blueray remaster or something like that.
Mother’s Basement: It’s almost impossible for you to forget what happened in the last episode (from last week) Me: *forgets what happened in the episode I just binged as I begin to watch the next episode*
Funny story, I'm actually doing a breakdown of the fight between Genos and Sonic for a final project. Namely because it was the moment that cemented to me that I should never get my hopes up again for this season. I'm trying not to be cynical and admit to nit-picking a few parts, but the mental nadir has made the sakuga moments in later episodes feel far more impactful. Limited as they've been. What irritates me the most about season 2 isn't so much the limited animation as the fact they keep leaving stuff out that could be done in limited animation effectively. Like in the Saitama Serious Sidestep technique, they don't actually show Sonic getting hit. At all. And they remove a lot of the moments where there is a denial of buildup, like in the Genos v. Sonic fight where they remove the shot of Genos about to launch his attack into the ground as Sonic goes for the kill.
one could argue that they could get away with a lot of bad animation by using the "funny simple design" used for saitama sometimes (like with his OK reaction to boros or when intimidating garou or sonic), OR to make it "loom bad artistically so it feels right" by making it a reference to the original ONE webcomic's design (OR like how The Amazing World of Gumball shown the animation get cruder and cruder when the show apparently run of of budget, but there was a reason for it)
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Lots of shows have gotten away with limited animation by using it right. The original Berserk used to take constant shortcuts using watercolor cuts for big impacts and that worked well for it because it felt thematic and heavy.
@@OtherwiseUknownMonkey Oh, I don't think it needs better animation than it has, Inferno Cop is a satire show, made by people from Studio Trigger (who can really flex some animation NUTS when they want to), so it's not "poor" animation for the lack of trying, moreso being very deliberate to punctuate its brand of demented comedy. An animation upgrade would be like giving Monty Python a Hollywood budget. Yeah, they'll probably still knock out some stellar jokes, but it wouldn't be Monty Python.
Ashton Simmons maybe because One Piece is planned for like 800+ episodes and OPM only 12. It should be amazing animation, they’re treating it like it’ll have 100 episodes
If a adaptation has poor animation and medíocre at best direction, why even make a anime? Imo animation is really important, up there with story. Doesn't matter if a manga, berserk for example, has god tier writting if the anime has utterly trash animation, the anime already failed on it main purpose at least for adaptations imo. For original anime, it isn't as necessary imo. If your original anime has trash story , what's the point.
then please explain why google and myanimelist put berserk 2016 at rating between 6-7/10. if animation matters that much to people as a whole, why did that show not crash and burn horrifically?
@@ashab6101 the website is bullshit! oh no! google has berserk 2016 at 7/10. IMDB has it at 7/10. i guess they're just bullshit too? or maybe animation doesn't matter that much?
I think the best example of animation doesn't always matter is 'Revolutionary Girl Utena.' A series with very little actual animation and lots of reused cels. But they turned that small budget into a thought provoking, important anime that is still being argued over and discussed today.
Thank you finally someone said it! Good = fluid? Since when does every anime have to be on idk kill la kill sakuga level. It doesn't. Just a group of people who know what the heck they're doing. The similar applies to cgi.
Honestly, I got into anime for the storytelling. I LOVE reading fantasy books, and when I discovered anime I finally felt like TV could be just as good, perhaps even better, than my favorite books. I've only just started to appreciate animation quality, and I expect it will never be anywhere near as important to me as it is to most otaku.
I might just be a ignoring all the better CGI out there, but I'd call that centipede amazing (I hate CGI so I very well may have forgotten all the good CGI that doesn't match my narrative).
@@madestmadhatter i honestly dont disagree normally i hate cgi like the colossal titan in aot looks like shit but that elder centipede looks really good
Thats the thing. Whats the reason in watching anime if the ANImation isnt at least decent? Anime has to be aesthetically pleasing, in which case, the animation is important. For example, theres currently no reason to watch OPM season 2 when its a literal slideshow. You can experience the story through the superior means which is the manga or even the web novel if what you care about is the story. Murata's work conveys much more detail and motion in every panel than OPM season 2 ever will and its kinda sad
Animation doesn't have to be perfect, but there's always a minimun threshold. If it's too bad, it can get distracting, although OPM season 2 doesn't reach those levels of terrible. I'm talking about Berzerk CGI levels of bad. No amount of great writing could save that, you'd rather read the manga instead.
Berserks problem was not the quality, it was the fact that CG was used in place of traditional animation. A lot of people like OLMs adaptation, despite the show being mostly still frames.
I don't even understand why people think the animation is "terrible" in the first place...I rewatched all the four episodes the came out this far and I can see there is plenty of fluid animation to be found in there...yet for some reason people just focus on the still frames in episode 2 the most and call the animation "Shit"...I just think people are really whiny.
Literally any no name studio could make an 7/10 with opm because its already written This show pisses me off now. It was great and now its mediocre trash with ever other show being made right now. Is it enjoyable to watch? Yes Could it be better? Absolutely. I dont feel like watching it anymore and will stick to the manga. No drop in quality any time soon there.
tbh I wasn't even that bothered by the drop of animation quality. I was still able to enjoy this season and I'm hoping for a third season to come out. I want to watch the end of that arc
Personally, I feel that anime that is adapted from manga without an interesting visual direction like the currently airing OPM S2 just doesn't really attract me as someone that reads the source material. As someone that reads the original ONE OPM series, with its distinct less that flattering artwork, I can agree with you that sometimes it is the writing and various other aspects that is more important than the visual aspect. But if it doesn't add to the original experience, like what Yusuke Murata (Fancy manga version of OPM) did with the original OPM material, then it is really hard for me to be onboard of it. Especially so when we got striking examples over the years of poorly adapted manga series like Berserk that I can safely say ruined the series to first-time watchers. That being said, OPM S2 is at least good enough for anime watchers, and I guess that's just simply mean it is for a different audience. In my opinion, a great anime adaptation should make me want to go read the original source material if I haven't done so already. Like mob psycho, kimetsu no yaiba (I literally binged it to catch up to the latest chapter in a day.) and Attack of Titan.
@@godofthecripples1237 It has to at least catch you on it's potential before someone will go to the trouble of reading the source material. Pretty sure first time watchers of Berserk ain't impressed and go on to read the source material.
Seeing as how the original webcomic literally looks like it was made in MS Paint, i think we can conclude that most OPM fans really don't care all that much about art quality so long as the writing is good.
I completely disagree the opening statement that animation quality =/= popularity. Violet Evergarden, SAO, AOT, MHA, OPM S1. All popular anime have good animation. Its just a fact of the medium. Even if the series is bad, if it has good animation then it will be popular. If OPM S2 had aired in a vacuum it would be getting 1/4th the views. The only reason OPM S2 is getting lots of positive ratings is because S1 already sold them on the series.
The most famous anime of all time are all that have great animation/visual design SAO wouldn't be so well known if it had Master of Ragnarok leves of visual quality
It is the same concept as good graphics in games. People make visual decisions first, then stick around if the actual content is worthwhile. One Punch started with that insane spectacle, and people are staying around bc they love the characters and storytelling
@@luminous6520 considering the wii crushed the 360 and PS3 in sales? nobody in the public market gives a fuck about specs. it's only us weirdos who know something about the industry that care.
One Punch Man is and will probably continue to be my favourite series, period. I understand why some people are disappointed, but personally they could have given me a flip book of the second season and a boombox with a tape of the voice acting inside and I still probably would have pissed my pants in excitements
I do definitely notice the drop in the quality since I’m also rewatching season 1, but I’m still enjoying season 2 and if this season really was rushed I think it still looks good! Maybe season 3 will look like season 1 again!
Depends on the genre, slice of life, not so much but action shows definitely need good animation. Plus, while a good story can save bad production, bad production if it's bad enough can take you out the experience.
@@christophervalentine5467 Spectacular Spider did not have horrible animation, the artstyle was bland and simple but it paid off since they were able to have more dynamic and better animated action scenes.
Now I agree that a show can still be engaging with bad animation but OPM S2 is just so rushed that i can't say it is an example of that, they seem to prioritize getting to the fight scenes and race through dialogue if they don't outright cut it from the show there is no build-up to anything, no dramatic beats, the story is an inconvenience. The worst example of bad directing in my opinion is during the tournament when we see the support cast contestants face off against each other while Genos simultaneously deals with the monsters around City C. In the manga a parallel is clearly drawn between each fight (most of which only last a few panels) for example a fat guy body slams his opponent in the contest and then we cut to Genos using a rocket powered stomp to crush a monster. But in the anime they don't inter-cut these scenes and instead they show the fights in the contest one after another and then the Genos fights one after another... I don't know if they thought it would be confusing to do it the way the Manga spelled out but it just seems... Bad.
reading all these comments is making me wanna watch season 2 even less haha The manga is already lovely, and if s2 is messing with the nice, easy to read panel flow like that, then I'm personally not interested...
Not gonna lie, I probably wouldn't have cared so much about the poor animation quality this season if season 1 hadn't set the bar SO DAMN HIGH!
Yeah, season 1 was something special, it is like everything good about this industry came together to create this masterpiece
I recommend that you see the first season but this time looking for the mistakes, it's fun because the fights are so good at times that we forget that there are chapters that are very similar to the current season, for example in the final chapter there are parts that they are not understood and they are static images during the first seconds, but as the soundtrack plays its role well we do not notice it, try it...
@@rovsaa96 that is the difference between JC staff and a bunch of veterans working together
@@sebastiantafoya3609 yes
@@rovsaa96 I think that just shows how talented the team was. They managed to spend all their time and budget on the most important fights, while keeping the in betweens just good enough so it gives the whole show a great feel.
What’s funny is that season one was afraid that it’s quality will not live up to the quality of the manga...
Tobe Shinji so said all of jojos
And season two just didn't care. And neither did the normies. Which is why they should all be punched in the face.
You mean the web comic?
Cherry Nuckles no the manga. Not the comic
Even the comic has a better animation than the anime.
It’s madhouse studio, i won’t believe their humbleness, all the best anime i’ve watched are animated by them. Monster, bebop...
I'll wait for One Punch Man Season 2 : Brotherhood
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Doubt it will happen. Either JC Staff's season is financially successful, and the make S3, or it was a failure, and they never make an OPM anime again. FMAB was a special case having do with surpassing the manga, not inferior production quality.
So no, probably not happening.
God I hope it was so bad I was sad
800th like
XD Great ideer
The thing is, Chuck Jones lead looney tunes is not only incredibly well animated, but also have incredible voice acting and dialogue that is both snappy and funny. That's what makes them so absolutely spectacular.
Its didn't have as much time to make sure the animation is pristine like Disney.
@@MarkyMatey In comparison to what? Disney movies of the time are a very different style of animation and some were using rotoscoping. If you're comparing their shorts then I'd argue they're about the same in terms of quality, though I find the expressions and linework in Looney Tunes much more compelling, seeing as they were made at the same rate. I think Disney was actually making more shorts than WB with more people on staff.
Disney's animation quality is more impressive when it came to do slower and more serious stuff, also i believe they used to work in 1's more often, especially in movies. Their shorts are about the same.
But the point that the literal animation is used better to convey the story is a good one, it all adds up, including distribution factors but personally I have SO many anime I could watch I'm not using my time to "rewatch" something I've already read.
I HATE JOHNATHAN. I HATE JOSEPH. AND I HATE JOTARO.
THEY DRIVE ME TO WRYYYYYYY
Mob psycho 100 season 2 was literally out of this world, the animation was just too good and complemented the story on new levels
So trueeeeee
IMO, Mob Psycho 100 season 2 raised the already high bar that was set by One Punch Man season 1. Both the animation and plot were incredible.
Either Bones or ufotable are possibly the very best at tv animation. Mob got so lucky.
figuratively
Best anime this year
You can't start a series using amazing visual storytelling, then change it to ilustrated radio and expect people will like it.
Once you go sakuga you can never go back-uga! *BADUM TSS*
Loose sakuga, but still better than dragon ball ep 5 and isnt powerpoint like animatic/storyboard colored twincle star nora rock me
Is this the beserk argument again? The it's better than nothing? Nothing is better in my opinion don't mess with the name of an already perfect show and I don't understand why the season director thought that anything would be better than one punch man unless he is working with a really big anime( which I don't think he is) why trade a golden anime that is so loved with a mediocre one? (Ps does anyone know what the director is actually working on?)
@@itowelhaveadream9463 This is very different than the Berserk argument. With CG Berserk, it was just out right bad. OPM S2 is clearly worse, in terms of animation, than OPM S1, but it isn't horrible. To be fair, it is actually pretty good, just not in the same class as S1.
If season one was animated in the current style, then it would have still been a good show. Yes, I am disappointed that had a down grade in animation quality, but it is good enough. CG Berserk was a full assault on the eyes and ears.
@@amirabudubai2279 I draw the line where you say OPM 2 animation is " pretty good". You need to rework your judgment of animation all over again.
@@xxx10353 You need to learn the difference between inconsistent and bad. The most recent episode has some of the best animation in the series. The only part that is consistently bad in season 2 is the CG on Genos. Almost every fight with Garous has been excellently animated.
"Does animation in anime matter?" *looks at berserk* yes, it does.
But berserk has problems with "visuals" as a whole, not just the animation , as in the quality of the movements.
The character designs are bad,the compositing is bad, the direction is bad....
One punch man season 2 on the other hand has bad animation and mostly bad direction but at least it has good compositing, lighting and character designs.
Story sucked in general. Animation was horrible.
Berserk is overhyped and overrated. It deserves its garbo animation.
*Boruto's dad... Boruto's dad shippuden*
Looks like it aint ending anytime soon
Boruto's Dad's Son is better, fight me.
Maybe we could get a spinoff of Boruto's Dad's Son, it would be Boruto's Dad's Son's Father.
boruto 2? how about boruto 3? maybe 4?
boruto's grandfather
boruto's son
boruto's grandson
Boruto's Dad's Cousin's Ex-Roommate Turbo Alpha DX Gaiden
"Boruto, Boruto's dad, Boruto's dad shippuden.." x'D that made me laugh
LMAO XD Sameeeee
Boruto>naruto
Yes, animation in anime matters.
Honestly. Its unbelievable the amount of people that think it doesnt matter
It doesnt
Good Animation is a huge part of why people would watch any animated art. If it doesn't look good then it doesn't attract peoples eye no matter how good it is. Perfect example being one punch man. We all know how good the story is but if the animation sucks (in comparison to the amazing animation the last season had) then it's some cheap cop out. I would've preferred waiting another 2 years for a one punch man season 2 with the original studio doing it than this garbage
Christian Harris lol are you serious? So you’re okay with an anime with mostly static frames?
An anime with mostly static frames is more commonly known as a manga.
Animation is especially important in ACTION ANIME. The fight scenes in season 1 were very well done. Season 2 scenes are just bland.
"Does anime need good animation?"
Short answer: Yes.
Good animation:
1. Fits the tone of the story being told.
2. Logically and clearly conveys what it is attempting to show.
3. Is aesthetically pleasing and/or interesting.
4. Is consistent.
I care about story far more than animation, but I'll drop anything that doesn't follow these four rules.
Same here
Berserk?
@@kitarokun6564 like a wise weeb once said: "Go read the fucking manga!!!"
You could probably say "is aesthetically pleasing" is _very_ subjective, as opposed to other more objective qualities like consistency and tone. I haven't seen OPM S2 myself yet, so I can't truly give the "eh it's actually okay" argument, but I'm getting the impression that people are shitting on it because it's not _absolutely brilliant_ anymore, and is instead just _good/alright._
Then you’re probably missing out on a lot of good shows that had low animation budgets. There isn’t any one perfect mindset to have when going about watching anime, and ruling out a series anses on lackluster animation just seems arbitrary to me. If the writing and OST is good, poor animation can be excused. I couldn’t really say the same thing about anime with good animation and bad writing.
I think the reason animation quality matters, especially for OPM, is the fact that a lot of the gags from OPM are visually based. A lack of visual quality would mean reduced quality of the gags, which is what I think makes OPM more accessible for newcomers to the world of anime. I haven't watched any OPM S2 yet, so I can't comment on this and make a final opinion on it, but I'm not looking too forward to it.
Oh...oh my...you've never seen the original webcomic by ONE, have you?
@@IzzySarru dude dont rag on that, his art in theweb comic does a good job of conveying the emotions and actions of the fights well. The manga is literally just a refinement. That art is him
That would explain why I was averaging maybe 1 good laugh per episode for the first 3-4 episodes. To be honest I was bored through half the first episode, I couldn't really care less about Genos and his check box list action scene of 'fight the robot' 'get the upgrade' 'reiterate your life goals'
@@krokodilegrundee5101 I'm not ragging on it. I just think it's funny because those "low quality visuals" were what it looked like when it got SUPER popular. Popular enough for Murata to watch to re-draw it in a published magazine.
Besides, ONE has improved a lot since those days. Mob Psycho 100 looked pretty great and the style carried well into the animation.
I don't understand that point of view. Do you have an example from the first season where the gag would get worse with lower quality in the animation?
Often they use actually the opposite to give you the punch line of the gag - low quality display of saitama to show that he is bored etc. with a simple 2D drawing instead of shading depth etc.
The thing that puts me off with opm 2 is the directing rather than the animation. The first episode feels rushed.... it seems like they wanted to get to the king stuff(which is the good stuff) without them reintroducing to our main two characters. It doesn’t work in the context of the 4 years hiatus and it doesn’t work when you binged it with the way they ended season 1.
Honestly that episode was a LOT better because most anime that try to reintroduce characters are usually boring. Plus connecting King to Saitamas backstory was really well done.
I think Berserk 1997 is the perfect example. It shows that you can deliver a good adaptation with limited animation....but not like op2.
@@EvyDevy Sure it might have been a good first sequel episode, but I feel like having that sort of boring reintroduction of the characters done in a comical way, easing us back into the series by having Saitama and Genos do a mundane, unhero-like task would have been more in tune to the feel of the first series, the feel of which had me watching it in the first place. Having King's story in the first episode (the setting and intro of the series) really creates a much more serious and heavy/melancholic atmosphere and story, which I personally don't appreciate. This sets up the series to be fast-paced and action driven.
I (yes this is personal, you don't have to agree) was never invested much in the action and exactly where the characters' stories went, but the journey (the very comical twists and turns) that the characters had to navigate, as well as the maybe flexible art style/animation they had, which went from comically serious and detailed to dumb in seconds flawlessly. On the other hand, the new, polished animation makes it harder for them to have flexibility in the art for comical effect, especially if they don't have the experience for it, and the technique like they had in opm 1.
JC Studios is following Murata's manga almost frame by frame. This makes boring direction. The emotional moments don't have time to breathe before moving to the next plot point..
Considering they started late on production and the fact the director is known for mediocre works its no wonder the direction is off.
Murata's artwork is simply too damn detailed and perfect that it's hard to animate.
Why are you here two years later!?!?
Oh hey, kinda late huh
Only 5 likes? here before this blows up
That would a reasonable excuse if the animation in season 1 wasn’t as good as it was
Except season 1 exists
MB= Mobs Basement
15:55 "I'm just gonna let his MAL page scroll by as I talk"
*doesn't even get through the "A"s*
thats bad animation right there
@@Chewie260 i havent laughed this hard in a good minute xD
I think the biggest issue with "bad animation" is when a show used to have MUCH better animation before so the difference in quality is just absolutely jarring. One Punch Man Season 2 is an example for that as well as the most recent Final Season of Attack on Titan.
I really wish people would have more patience in general so that the products they love come out when they are as good as they can be. But as stated in the video companies just try to keep their brands relevant so they don't even care if the quality and creativity suffers for that.
Actually, now that you mentioned it, Attack of Titan is still a really great example of some very nice animation and improving quality per season, rather declining quality.
*EDIT:*
I love the attraction that this comment has started and allow me to give some additional opinions. Story wise I haven't really felt an noticeable increase in quality. That doesn't mean it declined. In fact, the story stays strong as it always has been. Some people ridicule the attack on human part of the show, but I think it showed another great aspect of the world, that in the end we are dealing with humans after all. A government/monarchy ruling over its citizens, doing all they must to stay in power is not something you can outrule, as the show tells you. I also personally love the sound quality, it's very, very detailed and makes the world they live in so much more real than that is.
Now the animation is declining
Still a terrible series though.
@@radiant5657 I disagree but that's your opinion.
In regards of animation quality, maybe. But screwed up pacing in season 3 took me out of watching it very quickly.
@@pervysage5465 also you cannot help but cringe and skip all these ridiculous discussions about 'being a warrior or a soldier' or whatever new word the author learned for the next chapter. The part when Eren hanged out with Reiner, Berthold and Ymir in a forest made me frop the manga what five years ago? Now I came back to watch the series and I barely made it through those god-awful episodes. And the Histeria eating Eren part was cringeworthy as hell.
Mob Psycho is seemingly done for now. Give OPM to Bones for season 3.
Wut about mha?
@@presentmic5233 We only cheer MHA on so that BONES can make more money for a bigger budget for more and better Mob Psycho 100. And if this happened, we would also cheer MHA on so that BONES can make more money to have a bigger budget for more and better One Punch Man.
@@mr.generalissimo5678 _ok...._
@@mr.generalissimo5678 MHA is a waste. It contains so many Shounen cliche's, it's not even funny anymore. It IS intended for a younger audience though, which is exactly why it's cliche-ish.
@@Andy-hz2ef it is clearly not because of the popularity it gained
Mob Psycho 100>OPM now for me. Season 2 hasn't really done anything that the manga has already done so it's a skip for me. Guess I'll wait to see what the Anime bigwigs decide to do with the inevitable season 3.
inevitable? thats debatable knowing fans might have boycotted this series all together so studios would fear taking the challenge of having a decent adatation.
The onlything I'm praying for is a remake of mob psychos manga in the style of OPM's remade manga.
I love Ones wrighting but he really is no artist.
@@E_blanknamehere I don't think Yusuke Murata has the time... Manga chapters for one punch man seem to be speeding up a little but (because of his dad's death ) , it'll probably be a while until we get our next one punch man chapter. This makes me doubt if he'll have the time to take on even more work (mp100 would be too much I think)
I love Murata’s art, but mob psycho’s atmosphere and humor doesn’t match his style at all. Every character will inevitably become super attractive, which is unsuitable for MP’s message.
I'm late, but I totally agree. The OPM manga is already beautiful - the only reason I'd feel inclined to watch the anime is if it did something the manga couldn't do... like, say, really good animation. Season 1 of OPM did this, but since it looks like season 2 didn't, I personally don't see a point in watching it. The manga is the better medium for this, in my opinion.
MP100 is fantastic though. The anime is soooo good.
Animation matters, especially when we are still working very hard to fight against one of the greatest demons of modern day anime;
*_CGI CHARACTERS, CROWDS, AND VEHICLES!!!_*
And CGI monsters 😣
Overlord season 3 towards the 0end....god.
cgi can be alright when used right. Attack on titan is a show that uses CGI really really well.
And they used CGI very well with Elder centipede.
Gundam: The Origins would like a word with you.
I judge an anime based on its story first, then its animation. The problem is is that I already read the OPM manga so I wanted to watch the anime for its animation. Needless to say, I was disappointed
Im in the same boat. dropped S2 on ep 2, there is zero reason for me to watch it.
just gotta pray S3 gets a competent team
@@englishfury1544 you have to see the anime before you read the manga thats how you avoid disappointment
Why? Who actually cares about the animation?
@@danielarbide1426 This is either good sarcasm, or low quality bait.
@@dream6562 i was reading OPM before the Anime aired.
As for how to tell if its good or not without an Anime. Well the same way I find if an Anime is good or not
Honestly, I didn't exactly mind the drop in animation quality, as long as the story was compelling.
And it was. A lot more than the first season's story.
Season 1 barely had a story really. Most episodes was just "saitama and the issue that appeared at his doorstep that day".
In terms of OPM, yes. Animation is very important. The animation style has to remain consistent in order to create a fantastic anime. I know that people are impatient, but quality is better than quantity.
does it, though? the web comic became a smash hit with some of the worst art imaginable. OPM has been blessed by murata and madhouse lending their talents, but the reason people care about OPM is because it has amazing writing and drags you into the story.
Its the love and spirit of animator director and writer make this happen
@@thomasjenkins7506 I mean, the art did stay consistent. I'm saying that if you change the animation, especially if the product is known for great animation, it will make it feel different and unnatural.
@@thomasjenkins7506 um... yeah it does. especially since it started with fantastic animation. Now, it'll just fall to an 'okay' Anime.
@@jasperhighwind6119 most of us won't care. we were reading it when it was just a poorly draw webcomic. murata and madhouse were just a bonus to us.
i have seen black clover's fight animations so im not too dissapointed lmao
"i have ate some shit so i im not too dissapointed"
That's a very bad comparison...
1st, it's a weekly anime, OPM S2 had years to produce.
Also, studio making black clover had financial difficulties resulting in a dip of quality.
Finally, OPM S2 is comparable to what black clover has been putting out lately. The number of panning stills, close ups, and lack of actual animation in fight scenes is simply atrocious. Just read the manga...
You should watch Tokyo ghoul re2, the dissapointment will reach its maximum
@@Makareno94 OPM is seasonal, not weekly.
I was debating whether to write years or over a year. Actual production must have taken the better part of the year. But planning and scheduling, etc must have started well before that.
There's a big difference when you only have to make 10-13 episodes of seasonal anime in 1.5years, and weekly anime with it's 56 episodes in a year with barely any breaks.
I think Black Clover got some pretty good fight scenes from time to time with "eh..." at worst from my recent memory. The non fight scenes though can be utter shit. I remember a fairy recent scene of an over-top far view of the battle field and I scrambled to hit pause because it's so bad I got disoriented, look at for a while, and get even more disoriented. My worst problem with it though is the characters (spectators) commenting in order as the camera pans by.
Short answer, it depends on the genre.
Also OPM S2 has way more problems than just the animation, the whole artstyle is completely wrong even in scenes where nothing is happening and they could just one to one copy the manga.
I agree, literally the only thing that's going for it right now is its story from the original source material and voice acting and I guess some audio. But the art, as well general direction is weird and lazy for the most part.
they barely even have animation. What bugs me is that they sacrifice inbetweens for a more detailed art style yet they still heavily fails on making it look decent. I think one of their major mistakes is not having a decent art director with the color schemes ending as painful in the eye.
The pacing/direction in the latest episode was just terrible. I was an avid defender of season 2 because i just love the fact that we are getting more OPM, but that fifth episode broke me.
Whats funny is that i would definitely consider myself a casual fan when it comes to anime, so when even i can tell that the second season is one hell of a downgrade, we have a problem.
@@nostalgiatrip1 Even the audio is lazy. They used the same "fast impact sounds" audio clip in about 3 different fight scenes in the last episode. I agree story and voice acting are great
@@morbillionaire WAAAH WAAH I like to complain waaaah
*Lets just admit it*
One punch man season 1 was
Lightning in a bottle
moonlight infinite We need another bottle then
One syllable too many
Should be "bottled-up lightning", for the syllable count.
The season was 100% perfect story wise and animation season 1 set the bar too high
Thank God, Mob Psycho season 1 never got as popular as OPM season 1 so they didn't feel the need to rush season 2. They took their time to make Mob Psycho season 2 phenomenal.
We were so spoiled by the animators in season one and i didnt realise until s2 ep1
When I looked back on season 1, I realized that the animation we got was some top-tier work from very talented and motivated people. The dream team if you will.
Well let’s be honest, good animation was one punch man’s thing
It also had an amazing story. Animation doesn't make a show good. It can make it better, but animation alone will not matter if the story's shit. OPM has a great story and world, that's what matters.
aydooknow yeah but you stay for the fights
@aydooknow
ONE is one amazing writers
@@davidbodor1762 Oh please the Story is average.
Jojo_N_Dat Yeah but the characters were awesome
OPM season 2 just really annoys me. For someone who has bad vision and always sees things in a blur. I HATE THE MOTION BLUR IN FIGHT SCENES
Edit: I’m also talking bout the lack of animation that creates a blur when someone punches not only the epilepsy prevention
So you don't have to worry then. Cause it so little of it and the ones that happen you better of not seeing. As some one that watches is just for Garou/Story yeah. This video just made me so sad for opm second season.
It's only meant for the televised airings to prevent seizures for the epileptic audiences. On Blu-ray, that dimming shouldn't be there
Aridsondez Jerome that’s for the kids with epilepsy
you should get glasses before your vision gets worse
Just be thankful it got its s2
This is actually why I, personally speaking, prefer shows that have a simpler art style but more fluid animation, as opposed to the other way around. Don't get me wrong, epic, flashy visuals are always a treat to see. But sometimes I find less is more, and it's about what you do with what you've got that matters, as opposed to the subject (animation) itself.
Netflix's Hilda is a show I'm semi-obsessed with and is a perfect example of simpler art styles done in a fluid, dynamic way, that enhances the story of child-like wonder and Scandinavian-style mythology. Gurren Laggan is my favourite anime of all time, partly because of its ridiculous visuals and creative giant robot designs, but more so because of its characters. The heart of Gurren Lagann is overcoming impossible odds, and facing any challenge head on, knowing you have your friends to help along the way.
As you say, animation is only part of what can make an anime (or animation in general) good. It's absolutely possible to thrive on a combination of factors where one aspect falls short.
Completely agree, Mob Psycho is practically built on that concept too- simpler designs for flashier animation :D
My favorite things from One Punch Man Season 2 :
1. GAROU
2. We spend more time with other characters
3. 🍌🍌🍌
Facts
A good story can save a bad animation.
A good animation can't save a bad story. (Other than very specfic cases.)
I dunno, it got me to watch all of Unlimited Blade Works. And I'll probably watch the Heaven's Feel movies once the last one comes out.
Well not really.......watch Spriggan for exemple
@@android19willpwn Except UBW nor HF have a bad story.
Hanebado.
@@android19willpwn The story is good enough even if it lacks
Impossible to say that animation doesnt matter even if the plot is good
Ping pong animation dont agreed
@@GAMEcube12 but it had good animation
It's a good thing he didn't say that then
But it can be ignored/forgived
@@GAMEcube12 Ping Pong's animation was fine and its direction great, just its deliberate stylistic choices might not be appealing to everyone.
OPM s2 has animation quality that wildly varies from 1/10 to 8/10 just in the first god damn episode.
Yes, yes it does...
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Minions destroyed bananas
Saitama brought them back
One of my art teachers once said something along the lines of:
You can have a beautiful drawing be ruined by painting it badly.
You can have a bad drawing but paint it beautifully.
For me, a show with beautiful animation, character designs and all that can be ruined by bad storytelling. Rise of The TMNT comes to mind. (Fight me!)
A show with bad or very stiff animation with strong storytelling, memorable characters, is far more enjoyable.
So you you just want storytelling read the manga, you dont need the animation...
Zinervawyrm rise of tmnt?
@@assgoblin3981 I've seen plenty of people praise it for it's animation, and like it for that reason alone. But I think story wise, its weak.
@@escarretada Not what I meant. Good animation with a good story to me is just bonus points. If the animation isn't Disney quality, but the show is still good, I'm still going to watch it. Hell, I've watch things with god awful dubbing because the story in the show was still good. In all honesty, I think people just want to be spoiled when it comes to animated shows. After all, we do have the technology to make animation easier than ever, things like flash was meant to make animation smoother and more fluent. CGI also makes animation come out faster, and has gotten more detailed over the past 20 years. But I know that many shows still sometimes get lazy with these tools but may overall still have good stories to tell with good characters. However I've seen people still dismiss shows just because of choppy animation.
@@Zinervawyrm Because the manga has the same story, not mention paced better and has a better sense of motion and impact.
Murata's art is godly as well, as the people working on the 1st season was scared that they wouldn't live up to the hype that the manga brought. Season 1 had passion, as they were doing their best to make it. Season 2 was rushed, and a lot of production issues and we got what we got.
I think what the other guy was implying is that you love the story, which the manga has and utilizes it better in every other way. So why watch the anime for the story alone?
Honestly the "meh" animation was expected and it doesn't really bother me much(tho I still wish we got to see what Shingo Natsume and MadHouse could've done with it), my big issue is the pacing, wich is completely off. I went trought a couple of versions on diferent sources just to make sure that I'm not watching some speed up edit, almost everything feels rushed and most scenes don't get any room to breathe or build up.
The best/worst example probably being Genos using Accelerate for the first time against Sonic, a monstrously badass moment of Genos declaring "You lose." was relegated to a rushed flash of a scene(tho I do agree on the sound quallty in most cases, the "boom" of Genos's movement was perfectly chosen), and overall that's what a lot of it feels like. Its like the show is just ticking of boxes on the "manga did that" list without much thought or reason behind it. They are also missing some amazing shots from the manga that matter more than I think they realize, that is especially noticible in episode's 3 fight between Garo and the tank top band, they missed or underdelivered a bunch of Garou's expressions that make him feel genuinely dangerous and terryfying or how they ditched the shot of Saitama's countless casual faced afterimages smashing past Sonic, wich was one of the funniest scenes in the series so far.
Its still allright overall, but its really just riding on the quallity of the base material while barerly adding anything from itself. If anyone asks me, 10/10 times I'll recomend the manga over it unlike with the first season where both versions are equally worth a watch/read and stand tall on their own. Oh and one more thing, the music is horribly underwheliming, I can't recall a single theme from S2 so far, nor can I think of a scene where the music was impactfull in any meaningfull way.
Madhouse would injected so much CGI into the anime considering their track record recently.
Hell, I can imagine the giant bird in ep 1 being made up of entirely cgi WAY too easily.
Dude Garou’s theme is bad ass.
I agree about the pacing. It feels like JC Staff is rushing through the volumes and trying not to linger on fight scenes (which would actually require effort to animate).
Season two's opening would like to have a word with you.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 the most impactful parts of the show is when it plays that theme. When his expressions are lacking the theme kicks in and fills the gap it leaves, for me at least
Nobody:
Geoff: Actually, Avatar is an Anime
@@ROCKRAJA969 Lol. I didn't copy anything. But it is a popular meme format so it's only natural to find "duplicates" on the internet.
ROCKRAJA949 wow, are you seriously accusing someone of stealing your meme? In the youtube comment section? Jesus...
Different director
Different directions
You got Steven Spielberg in the first season
And Then you got Michael bay in the second season
BOOM Instant effects
Saitama's shiny head though...
The animation always goes up whenever Fubuki is on screen.
Lmao
In the words of Murata "Fubuki best girl"
LOL AGREED
QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
I'd rather have 5 episodes of a really awesome show then 50 of a mediocre one.
@@NapaCat yea I mostly agreed
The thing is, the animation is good if we comapare it to a mediocre seasonal anime adaptation (say Index or Date a Live).
But if we compare it to the animation of the first season of OPM, then yes, it's terrible.
index doesn't have that bad animation
Well, i disagree. Kenja no mago it is a mediocre seasonal anime and a generic isekai.But Kenja no Mago still have a better animation than OPM second season
@@zenoss8077 I'm talking about the 3rd season
@@VictorJapaXD I tried to pick anime that could use better animation.
As for Kenja no Mago, i didn't watch it, so I can't say
If we compare it to the manga then it's awful
for me, the only reason I watch anime is if the animation is worth my while, if it's not a visual feast I get more enjoyment out of just reading the manga/light novels.
Honestly.... The fights don't really sound good. Specifically, they have a specific impact sound that they WAY overuse to the point where it yanked me out of the immersion. You can cut a corner or two, but not ALL the corners.
I feel the same way, it makes the show unwatchable cause like you said, it breaks the immersion.
Honestly if they cut enough corners I feel that it is better to read the manga as the main reason I watch anime is to see the great action in manga brought to life, in vibrant and fluid animation
Yeah that one whooshing slapping sound they used a lot was like a harsh reminder that I was watching an inferior product. And the weird color swipes that would usually accompany them
I'm surprised you didn't list Skullface Bookseller Honda-San as an example of limited animation not necessarily being a flaw.
What i personally think is while sakuga is definitely cool to have in shots i would rather have an anime that had good strong direction across the board rather then just a couple really good scenes. JoJo is a great example of this - sure it doesn't have tons of sakuga strong but the direction for the animation especially in JoJo Part 5 is really damn strong (Episode 27,28 being great examples of this). OPM S2 could get way with the lack of sakuga if it can particularly strong direction but it feels ho-hum - like an A1 Pictures adaption.
Exactly this. The animation problem is understandble, but the direction is REALLY lacking. And that hurts the show even more
Malcolm Neill so true.
+1
Yup. The thing that really turns me down from OPM2 is the lack of strong direction, it's just feel so generic -like a generic LN anime- and given that I watch 3 different shows with 3 different style (Vento Aureo, AOT and Demon Slayer), I can't watch OPM2 without comparing it to that 3 anime.
is it just me, or does every episode feel nonsatisfying and just build up upon build up upon build up and just a bunch of cliff hangers without much return or satisfaction?
I honestly think this is due (at least in part) to the animation. Each episode ends by teasing a conflict, so you subconsciously keep waiting for a badass fight each episode only to see it utterly half-assed with poor animation. Shortly afterwards you are presented with another tease, resetting the cycle and keeping you excited without ever actually fulfilling your expectations.
Yep, I don't feel that way like I do with The Rising of the Shield Hero.
Yeah. In Season 1 every episode had a conclusion and was satisfactory to watch, but in season 2 all the episodes end on cliffhangers
Welcome to anime.
@@gunswordfist No. Welcome to One Trick Pony Man S2...
We dont NEED sportscars to enjoy driving, a cheap low PS car can be fun too.
We dont NEED elaborate, high quality food, a simple meal can be delicious, too.
We dont NEED OPM season 1 animation, OPM season 2 can be enjoyable, too.
But we WANT all those things. The other things may be good, too, but great things are better.
This analogy would make sense if you consider that we owned a sports car for a while and then have to drive a cheaper car
@@gottabekiddinme9621 A sports car looks more enjoyable than a Prius to me.
Bro ONE comic has better animation and artistic value
@@draelmun6056 the point of a car is to get your from one point to another, would you rather walk than ride a bicycle?
It's obviously inferior to the first season but I say it's more than watchable, I like it.
Exactly this. The quality of season 2 far exceeds "watchable" standards. You can critique parts of it, but I think most people will find they will enjoy the season overall
imjustherefortehlulz what classes as ‘watchable’ is it by your standards cause I can’t look at saitamas brown head, and non fluid animation, Saitamas flash step wasn’t even shown so you couldn’t tell what was even happening until sonic explained it afterwards, in the fights they skip the actual action and just show the impacts afterwards so you’ve gotta guess what happened in most, most the gags are animated pretty shitty
@@dadeee7776 ok. You're free to critique all that, but I still think you can just sit and enjoy the show regardless. That's why I said it's watchable
imjustherefortehlulz don’t mean to sound petty but you can enjoy anything regardless so it’s not much to structure your argument off of
@@dadeee7776 hmm, well I guess what I've been trying to say is that overall, everything factored in, I think nothing in the show stands out as so bad that it ruins it, and in addition, all aspects of the show are of a good enough quality to be deemed as "good" or "watchable". Does that make more sense?
I have seen season 2 and the writing is so damn good that I barley cared about the animation
Dont fear! We still have Studio Bones to keep on saving Anime!
and dont forget davide productions
Ufotable stuff looks pretty damn great too.
While JoJo is great and all. The animation isn't actually that impressive. It's pretty average in fact.
@@LPVince94 Part 5 aside
Vesten ziRnis JoJo is a bit different as the characters are way more elaborately designed and are therefore more difficulty to animate. So JoJo’s animation isn’t as fluid as some of its contemporaries but it does have excellent direction - the shot choices, framing, editing, colour alterations etc. give it a unique flavour that makes it appealing to watch.
Yes! animation matters in an animated work .
But so does pacing, direction, cinematography, music, voice acting, sound design, story/script, etc.
The worst things in a show, for me, are bad pacing and a poorly thought-out story.
@@tomc.5704 But all of those features should work together with the animation.
@@brandonontama2415 they should, but thats isnt always the case
It not animation better it need commitment , and lot of love
@@brandonontama2415 You can have bad animation but still enjoy the story
"That might be because you know Pretty Cure as... Glitter Force."
The truth here hurts my soul.
Atleast there is also Demon Slayer this season and that looks amazing.
Aot & carole and tuesday are the best this season
I've only seen the first episode and was interested but I cannot deny an involutnary ehch exited my mouth when there where those scenes of the cg waddle run. I know Ufotable is known for compositing CG really well but that just stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded and eletist.
@@BarlioneManobolge Try ep 2 and come back
@@Jeevzsk Thank you, Im here like
Does nobody understand how godly AOT looks?!?
@@fredrickbutts2392 ep 4 is the best soo far i hope genos vs elder centipede and saitama vs suiryu
Will live up to at least half of season 1 animation
Do you guys have any problem with OPM S2's fps? Idk but the pacing and animation is kinda fast to me. The animation was a huge downgrade compared to S1. Also the sounds is not well synced with the animation. Those were my animation
I have gone into watching season 2 with no prior knowledge of the studio switch. It also has been at least a year or so since I've last watched season 1 so I almost had no recollection of it whatsoever. All I can remember that it was an awesome show I watched long time ago. Season 2 was out for a while now so I though to myself, why not? First seeing that crappy OP filled with bold text zooming across the screen, I knew something was off. I then progressively start taking notice of the animation and even the writing. It got to the point that I actually paused the episode I was watching because of it, opened a new tab and checked who the hell did season 2. Then it all made sense.
See I think that's part of the reason why most people seemed to really enjoy Season 2 still, it's been a while since they've seen the first season and didn't compare it. I was someone who honestly never gave animation itself that much thought, I enjoyed OPM S1 but the animation quality never stood out to me outside of the last fight. Then this whole debacle started and I realized how much I took OPM S1's quality for granted. I just don't get how someone could compare the two seasons back to back and not notice a severe difference.
It's not that bad, coz it's opm, but at the same time it's averageness makes it REALLY BAD. Why? Coz it's OPM.
Dude the only reason we love it is because of the story.
OPM2 definitely still enjoyable to watch, but there's still a definite decline in quality/diminished return.
Yeah animation matters. Myself having read the manga, I already know the storyline and plots. Now I wanted those epic fights animated and super gorgeous CGI but we're given this. *sad*
Welcome to the NHK is really good but really lacking in the animation factor, still my 4th favorite anime
@@LuigiFuckingRocks89 totally agree
Love that show too
dude NHK is like Monogatari where it doesnt need spectacular animation most of the time and it has its characters just talking and not moving too much, so yeah it makes sense if it isnt that well animated
Shingo Natsume who was director for OPM season 1, was key animator for some episodes for Welcome to the NHK.
Tbh it’s not the animation that bothers me, it’s how most of the jokes is poorly timed and the voice acting just seems a bit off.
Well it has nothing to do with the studio change then, you must hate the manga also then, Don't watch it
i disagree. i thought episode 1 and 2 were hilarious, and the ending to episode 3 was great too.
Black Eyes No no. I loved season one. The timing of the jokes were perfect, and the delivery was just overall better. Saitma sounds a bit weirder now, I can’t quite put my finger on it, just go compare a few episodes with each other and see.
Dynasty Tbh, the only joke that really landed for me was the banana one and the ‘cut to Saitma applying for the contest’ one. The rest just seem offbeat to me. I dunno.
Rabadash I OBJECT TO YOUR OBJECTION!
The story though in this season was just glorious
That part when Siryu was calling out for help had me holding my breath like never before. Something I never expected from an anime where the protagonist hasn't even come close to fighting seriously
That being said I still think that Sn 2 wasn't as bad as people put it. It was still good enough to meet my expectations
So many commenters who clearly only read the title card and didn’t watch the video. 😂There’s a lot of pieces that make up an anime and any show will always have strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes a show’s animation will be a weakness. I can appreciate the strengths of a show, be critical of its shortcomings, and still thoroughly enjoy it all at the same time. Teachers don’t just give out As and Fs, and there’s a lot of shows I’d objectively give Bs, Cs, and Ds to that were great and in some cases have become favorites of mine.
Cromartie high school, boom, done
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Season 1 is an impossible high bar of animation quality, that’s near impossible to re create that team! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Yutaka Nakamura, the man is one and the only in the industry. He could recreate it but he is currently working for Bones and I highly doubt it J Staff will ever employ him.
Yes animation in anime matters if it didn't anime producers might as well just write audiobooks
To be fair, some anime are essentially audiobooks (those ones that always have people on the sidelines explaining what is happening- “Impossible! A just blocked B’s Ultimate Attack with one hand! A looks REALLY pissed. He’s glowing now, WTFFFFFFF!”). I do agree that the animation is important, but I’m more concerned with the directorial choices than the “quality” of the animation itself. A good director can find creative ways to suggest more motion than is actually happening, whereas smooth animation can only do so much to redeem a boringly-shot fight scene. Ideally we’d get both creative direction AND good animation, but I’d choose the former if I can only have one.
There's "matters" and then there's "does it need it".
As MB was getting at, there's a lot that goes into making a show enjoyable.
Season two of OPM has ho-hum animation, at best. But even worse, it has bad direction. Voice acting is good, sound design is good, script/story is good, but with bad direction, it simply won't be exciting. (Also, bad pacing and ho-hum music)
So yeah. There's at least four things wrong here, and animation is just one of them.
Lol
Anime is more than just animation, dont be fucking stupid
I think I caught a Weeb y’all, let’s take it to the lab and examine it to see how maxed out his exp is
My biggest gripe is that the animations dont even feel that powerfull.
I cant really explain why, but the op1 fights felt powerfull and energetic.
In the second season...i was kinda missing that feeling.
I was just watching it till it ended...i wished they would have waited.
I still think the story is good enough to carry it, but still ...after most op1 fights i was really pumped and was enjoying them and even laughing etc.
But the fights in op season 2 felt off...the attacks felt less powerfull and some of the models just took me out of it(The shiny robout whose movement looked off and genos static 3d machinegun blows)
Hope they can make a blueray remaster or something like that.
It turned into another generic shounen. Thats why I hate it.
Mother’s Basement: It’s almost impossible for you to forget what happened in the last episode (from last week)
Me: *forgets what happened in the episode I just binged as I begin to watch the next episode*
Funny story, I'm actually doing a breakdown of the fight between Genos and Sonic for a final project. Namely because it was the moment that cemented to me that I should never get my hopes up again for this season. I'm trying not to be cynical and admit to nit-picking a few parts, but the mental nadir has made the sakuga moments in later episodes feel far more impactful. Limited as they've been.
What irritates me the most about season 2 isn't so much the limited animation as the fact they keep leaving stuff out that could be done in limited animation effectively. Like in the Saitama Serious Sidestep technique, they don't actually show Sonic getting hit. At all. And they remove a lot of the moments where there is a denial of buildup, like in the Genos v. Sonic fight where they remove the shot of Genos about to launch his attack into the ground as Sonic goes for the kill.
one could argue that they could get away with a lot of bad animation by using the "funny simple design" used for saitama sometimes (like with his OK reaction to boros or when intimidating garou or sonic), OR to make it "loom bad artistically so it feels right" by making it a reference to the original ONE webcomic's design (OR like how The Amazing World of Gumball shown the animation get cruder and cruder when the show apparently run of of budget, but there was a reason for it)
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Lots of shows have gotten away with limited animation by using it right. The original Berserk used to take constant shortcuts using watercolor cuts for big impacts and that worked well for it because it felt thematic and heavy.
Inferno cop (best anime with literally zero animation)
Because it's like Action League Now! of Anime.
Also by a team that you know are capable of insane animation quality in contrast.
@@chubmouse isn't it getting a second season? Maybe it will have better animation
@@OtherwiseUknownMonkey Oh, I don't think it needs better animation than it has, Inferno Cop is a satire show, made by people from Studio Trigger (who can really flex some animation NUTS when they want to), so it's not "poor" animation for the lack of trying, moreso being very deliberate to punctuate its brand of demented comedy.
An animation upgrade would be like giving Monty Python a Hollywood budget. Yeah, they'll probably still knock out some stellar jokes, but it wouldn't be Monty Python.
Meanwhile, Digibro is there and saying "if you're an animator, and you don't like the project you're working on, quit your job."
I watch One Piece every week and I think it's pure trash (animation wise)
most of the OP movies have good animations yo (not all ofc). the series is for people who wants the story with over 1 FPS ,-)
Ashton Simmons maybe because One Piece is planned for like 800+ episodes and OPM only 12. It should be amazing animation, they’re treating it like it’ll have 100 episodes
If a adaptation has poor animation and medíocre at best direction, why even make a anime?
Imo animation is really important, up there with story. Doesn't matter if a manga, berserk for example, has god tier writting if the anime has utterly trash animation, the anime already failed on it main purpose at least for adaptations imo.
For original anime, it isn't as necessary imo. If your original anime has trash story , what's the point.
True 😂
then please explain why google and myanimelist put berserk 2016 at rating between 6-7/10. if animation matters that much to people as a whole, why did that show not crash and burn horrifically?
@@Yal_Rathol sao is put at 7.6/10 on my anime list, there is your answer. The website is bullshit and berserk 2016-17 has god awful animation.
@@ashab6101 exactly 😂
@@ashab6101 the website is bullshit! oh no!
google has berserk 2016 at 7/10.
IMDB has it at 7/10.
i guess they're just bullshit too? or maybe animation doesn't matter that much?
I think the best example of animation doesn't always matter is 'Revolutionary Girl Utena.' A series with very little actual animation and lots of reused cels. But they turned that small budget into a thought provoking, important anime that is still being argued over and discussed today.
When jc staff made a series style studio shaft before studio shaft style exist
ITS ANIMATION IS NOT THAT BAD. The plot is enjoyable and the animation does its job plus its really fun to watch.
"ITS ANIMATION IS NOT THAT BAD" You're right... it's way worse than that......
Same Im having a amazing time with show and my only problem was the king joke needed a bit more time.
@@daerovius7535 You have problems dude
@@TheMuddler Ya the king joke was really funny in the manga but they rushed it in the anime
Good animation doesn't have to mean fluid animation, what it does mean is effective direction and pacing. With that said, One Punch Man 2 looks rough
Thank you finally someone said it! Good = fluid? Since when does every anime have to be on idk kill la kill sakuga level. It doesn't. Just a group of people who know what the heck they're doing. The similar applies to cgi.
Honestly, I got into anime for the storytelling. I LOVE reading fantasy books, and when I discovered anime I finally felt like TV could be just as good, perhaps even better, than my favorite books. I've only just started to appreciate animation quality, and I expect it will never be anywhere near as important to me as it is to most otaku.
honestly the cgi elder centipede looks pretty fucking good like not amazing but good ( i actually like opm s2 )
yeah I was impressed on how relatively good the CGI looked compared to how relatively bad everything else was.
I might just be a ignoring all the better CGI out there, but I'd call that centipede amazing (I hate CGI so I very well may have forgotten all the good CGI that doesn't match my narrative).
@@madestmadhatter i honestly dont disagree normally i hate cgi like the colossal titan in aot looks like shit but that elder centipede looks really good
i thought it looked great too. it looks almost hand-drawn.
If the storyline is really good. No it shouldn't, I'm sure countless animes have succeeded with crappy animation
Then why not read the manga, s2 of opm has less frames dedicated to Genos vs speed o so ic fight than there were panels of that fight.
Thats the thing. Whats the reason in watching anime if the ANImation isnt at least decent? Anime has to be aesthetically pleasing, in which case, the animation is important. For example, theres currently no reason to watch OPM season 2 when its a literal slideshow. You can experience the story through the superior means which is the manga or even the web novel if what you care about is the story. Murata's work conveys much more detail and motion in every panel than OPM season 2 ever will and its kinda sad
@@gjc-1 OPM manga has one of the best art style and detailed work in manga and to make a adaptation which is atmost average is just pathetic.
Ping pong the animation
@@oddlyozel it doesn't have a bad animation it's has a different art style which actually fits the manga.
One punch mans main appeal are the cool fight scenes that are beautifully animated. So yes, it matters.
And Saitama’s facial expressions
Animation doesn't have to be perfect, but there's always a minimun threshold. If it's too bad, it can get distracting, although OPM season 2 doesn't reach those levels of terrible.
I'm talking about Berzerk CGI levels of bad. No amount of great writing could save that, you'd rather read the manga instead.
Berserks problem was not the quality, it was the fact that CG was used in place of traditional animation. A lot of people like OLMs adaptation, despite the show being mostly still frames.
Berserk cgi is better than this crap tho
@@ogueyratogeyrat7448 did u watch the other ep of opm s2?
I don't even understand why people think the animation is "terrible" in the first place...I rewatched all the four episodes the came out this far and I can see there is plenty of fluid animation to be found in there...yet for some reason people just focus on the still frames in episode 2 the most and call the animation "Shit"...I just think people are really whiny.
@@ogueyratogeyrat7448 No it's not.
Literally any no name studio could make an 7/10 with opm because its already written
This show pisses me off now. It was great and now its mediocre trash with ever other show being made right now.
Is it enjoyable to watch? Yes
Could it be better? Absolutely.
I dont feel like watching it anymore and will stick to the manga. No drop in quality any time soon there.
*Is it enjoyable to watch? NO.
Fixed it for you. You're welcome
Thank god for mob psycho 100
the original manga drawn by ONE hits different
Amen, brother. I agree 90% ( the exception being that I don't find it enjoyable at all).
*Me reading the webcomic and enjoying it*: You guys think this animation is bad?
US makes the word: "animation"
Japan: hipitty hoppity that is now my property
US: *OUR* property
tbh I wasn't even that bothered by the drop of animation quality. I was still able to enjoy this season and I'm hoping for a third season to come out. I want to watch the end of that arc
Personally, I feel that anime that is adapted from manga without an interesting visual direction like the currently airing OPM S2 just doesn't really attract me as someone that reads the source material.
As someone that reads the original ONE OPM series, with its distinct less that flattering artwork, I can agree with you that sometimes it is the writing and various other aspects that is more important than the visual aspect. But if it doesn't add to the original experience, like what Yusuke Murata (Fancy manga version of OPM) did with the original OPM material, then it is really hard for me to be onboard of it.
Especially so when we got striking examples over the years of poorly adapted manga series like Berserk that I can safely say ruined the series to first-time watchers. That being said, OPM S2 is at least good enough for anime watchers, and I guess that's just simply mean it is for a different audience.
In my opinion, a great anime adaptation should make me want to go read the original source material if I haven't done so already. Like mob psycho, kimetsu no yaiba (I literally binged it to catch up to the latest chapter in a day.) and Attack of Titan.
I mean, bad animation is one way to get you to want to go read the source material
@@godofthecripples1237 It has to at least catch you on it's potential before someone will go to the trouble of reading the source material. Pretty sure first time watchers of Berserk ain't impressed and go on to read the source material.
Seeing as how the original webcomic literally looks like it was made in MS Paint, i think we can conclude that most OPM fans really don't care all that much about art quality so long as the writing is good.
I completely disagree the opening statement that animation quality =/= popularity. Violet Evergarden, SAO, AOT, MHA, OPM S1. All popular anime have good animation. Its just a fact of the medium. Even if the series is bad, if it has good animation then it will be popular. If OPM S2 had aired in a vacuum it would be getting 1/4th the views. The only reason OPM S2 is getting lots of positive ratings is because S1 already sold them on the series.
The most famous anime of all time are all that have great animation/visual design
SAO wouldn't be so well known if it had Master of Ragnarok leves of visual quality
It is the same concept as good graphics in games. People make visual decisions first, then stick around if the actual content is worthwhile. One Punch started with that insane spectacle, and people are staying around bc they love the characters and storytelling
Though I would still much rather have both
Considering I play games from the early 00's, I don't think graphics are as important as a lot of people make them out to be.
@@luminous6520 considering the wii crushed the 360 and PS3 in sales? nobody in the public market gives a fuck about specs. it's only us weirdos who know something about the industry that care.
But you gotta admit that garou's counterattack against TTM was clean
Yes, especially since Madhouse set an animation standard for the show. Season 2 deserved more love.
One Punch Man is and will probably continue to be my favourite series, period. I understand why some people are disappointed, but personally they could have given me a flip book of the second season and a boombox with a tape of the voice acting inside and I still probably would have pissed my pants in excitements
I do definitely notice the drop in the quality since I’m also rewatching season 1, but I’m still enjoying season 2 and if this season really was rushed I think it still looks good! Maybe season 3 will look like season 1 again!
Depends on the genre, slice of life, not so much but action shows definitely need good animation. Plus, while a good story can save bad production, bad production if it's bad enough can take you out the experience.
Brandon you the award-winning action cartoon spectacular Spiderman had horrible animation.
@@christophervalentine5467 Spectacular Spider did not have horrible animation, the artstyle was bland and simple but it paid off since they were able to have more dynamic and better animated action scenes.
Isn't JoJo a seasonal anime😕
Now I agree that a show can still be engaging with bad animation but OPM S2 is just so rushed that i can't say it is an example of that, they seem to prioritize getting to the fight scenes and race through dialogue if they don't outright cut it from the show there is no build-up to anything, no dramatic beats, the story is an inconvenience.
The worst example of bad directing in my opinion is during the tournament when we see the support cast contestants face off against each other while Genos simultaneously deals with the monsters around City C. In the manga a parallel is clearly drawn between each fight (most of which only last a few panels) for example a fat guy body slams his opponent in the contest and then we cut to Genos using a rocket powered stomp to crush a monster. But in the anime they don't inter-cut these scenes and instead they show the fights in the contest one after another and then the Genos fights one after another... I don't know if they thought it would be confusing to do it the way the Manga spelled out but it just seems... Bad.
reading all these comments is making me wanna watch season 2 even less haha
The manga is already lovely, and if s2 is messing with the nice, easy to read panel flow like that, then I'm personally not interested...
Not in most cases. But One Punch man was more or less built on it