First Look At A Ford Mustang 5.0 Tune in HP Tuners! Talk About Tables!
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I am glad to see you doing a ford tune. Idle seems straight forward. But you will find out there is way more to the idle circuit then what is under the idle tab. You will have to make sure your torque tables and inverse tables line up as well. You will pull your hair out if your inverse tables are off. But glad you are digging into it. I will stay “tuned”for sure on this stuff . ( no pun intended, lol)
It has two wide bands and 2 knock sensors which it will go negative knock which will add timing. If it sees positive knock it pulls one of the few ways it will add timing. Ill Be more than happy to share tunes or logs. No map. Sensors Only eco boost and f150 has them. Keep up the great work. Great videos appreciate you taking the time. I have a 17 mustang with a Whipple I have been tuning.
Rob, shoot me a tune and log of you wouldn't mind to the info@goatropegarage.com email
Thanks!
Rob Campbell can you help me with some tuning a 2013 GT
Where can I go to learn to tune my 4.6 3v? I get charged a good bit to get local tunes and would like to learn to do it on my own, I have a HP tuner coming.
Anyone tuning to try to calm down noise
The mapped points are primarily based upon a load %. EVERYTHING is Tq Management based. Take away the TQ management, bring in more power
If you set it up on a scanner u must setup all the mapped points used. It will show what percentage it is pulling from each table and you have to adjust it based on a %.
Good to know! Thanks for sharing!!
I've got my driveability down finally because of all your help even though I had to translate from gm. I have my boosted tune file if your Interested. Also in scanner you Can log mapped points to give you an idea what tables its accessing.
Hey bro, could you upload any videos that explain how to tune a mustang 5.0 please?
This channel is getting very interesting. I love it. You just dont know what's next.
I would like to see a video on GM diesel. I've had a few requests on tuning them, and the DEF fluid disable.
Maybe you could look into this and post a video.
Thanks Kyle, you're doing great 👊😎
Smith Tuning I’d like to learn diesel tuning as well. I hear it’s even easier.. but diesel guys are all tight lipped and don’t wanna share ANYTHINF
I cut valve seats at my work for the new 2.7, 3.5, 3.7 ford v6 heads. They are very interesting and the tolerances are mind bogglingly small. The coyotes aren't built in Cleveland so I don't get them in consistently. But a lot of the fords are dual injection, port and direct. That is the solution for DI intake valve cleaning
Could you go over a 3.5 ecoboost tune like this?
Engine Displacement in HPTuners is the mass of air required to fill a single cylinder at standard atmospheric conditions, i.e. 15degC, 1.01325 bar.
'Engine Displacement' is used to calculate the Air Load as well as the Absolute Load.
Air load (fraction) = Current mass of Air in One Cylinder ÷ Engine Displacement
Absolute Load (%) = [Current mass of Air in One Cylinder ÷ Engine Displacement] × 100
Hope this helps. Thank you
Hi bro!
Thank you for the awesome video and information.
I'm trying to get a 2012 5.0L Mustang tuned and have several doubts about the mapped points and the optimum power table.
By any change, have you figured out how to set specif maps for ecu to use and how to get the optimum power table whenever we want?
Great job, Keep them coming.......
I can pull a 2018 tune with a gen 3 whipple fitted (whipple tune) from my mustang if u like.....Australian Mustang...
Generally, in stock and bolts on vehicles you only adjust the optimal power tables in vct section by decrease the enable load, change intake valve opening & exhaust valve closing tables by experimenting the results on the dyno to get the most power. The rest usually be changed when replace the intake manifold or delete the imrc.
For the speed density, you don't need to change it for bolts on be unless you are adding massive power. Yes you can log the mapped points in the scanner and see what tables are used.
Best reply - great clarifying info!
Yes guy we need to go over 186 😂😂
It doesn't have a MAP sensor because it's mass air. There is a BAP (barometric air pressure ) sensor that it is open to atmosphere.
I saw below that someone mentioned below that the auto shutoff is in the System tab, I can't confirm that. You can also turn it off with something called Forscan. Forscan is great for programming BCM features like backup cameras, brake controllers, and seat belt warning charms.
Great Video lets look at the EEC V 2004 Mustang
Most, if not all, modern Ford engines have factory widebands.
2018+ is the Gen 3 DI Coyote engine.
The mapped points you're looking at is related to the VCT angle pairs. Ford calls this the HDFX or High Degree of Freedom Executive tables. Ford uses this for dynamic blending of certain tables, like Borderline timing, based on the said angle pairing. You can log the HDFX table weighting and see where you're at and then make changes in those specific tables to adjust the calibration to your requirements.
As far as VE, what you're seeing is the values for Ford's modeling for VE. They've used a slope-intercept type of modeling that's semi quadratic in design. The SD calculator represents a virtual VE table, if you will, from their modeling. You can adjust this VVE style table and calculate the coefficients to have HPT automatically calculate and populate (update) the modeling data for your slope, intercept, and quadratic terms.
This is putting it all very simply, but it's not terribly complicated once you work with it a little bit and understand what they're doing more thoroughly.
Hoping to see more of this content. Not sure the 7000 chrono setting you mentioned is the SD to MAF only Blend point as you said. Where did you get that from? Also the distance tables the 9s aren't degrees it's distance target for the MP point given which mode the ecm is in. So 9 would target the MP point 9 which has a separate tablet that looks up the VCT cam target.
How would you tune the normal delay out of the electronic throttle? I like linear throttle and the sport is wonderful and normal isn't bad. Sport+ is a little better response vs normal.
I'm currently on ford racing power pack 1 tune. Would be great to compare their stock in my 17 vs the power pack tune. I'd love to tune myself but like you said these coyotes are hella complex from what I saw. I assume we don't use speed density. I'm more focused on drivability. I'm about to swap out to ported 18+ manifold and I saw there's a part of the tune that has you do like a calculation of the volume of the manifold.
thank you for the information but how would i know wish mapped pint should i modifi in spark advance
I’m looking to becomes proficient in older modular engines. Mainly 4.6 2v and 4v systems. However there’s no help on forums and it seems like everyone just gave up on HPTuners for 99-04 stuff. Any help would be great. First one I’m doing Is a 03 Mach 1 manual car.
Welcome to the dark side, young padawan! LOL
Awesome vid!! Do you know if hp tuners can turn off vats.. I use efilive for ecm flashing and am getting into coyote stuff for 2023. I now have to get hp tuners but haven't found a tutorial to confirm that hp tuners can do this alone. I have seen some guys say they still have to send the ecm out to have flashed again.. have you confirmed this?
2018(gen3 coyote) and up has direct injection and port injection.
2015-2017 (Gen 2 coyote) has only port injection
Cool, good to know!
Ford uses what we call HDFX tables. 2011-2014’s copper head ecu had 16 and then 2015+ doubles. These blend from optional power, - fuel economy, - drivability .. ect. You can use this to adjust tables only in the curve / area you want rather then a global adjustment. Doing it right = power and great drivability.
Could you share some more details on this ? Any source to read and learn ?
I've got a 2019 F150 5.0 A10 that I'd be happy to share my stock file and hopefully learn more about to how tune it for bolt ons.
I have a log file for a FRPP copperhead pcm . But i think it has a 2017 strategy loaded
Sweet. Good job. Now do a A10 trans video
I am very new to tuning. And I do have a 2015 Mustang GT with a twin turbo Hellion kit on it. I do have kind of a long story behind this car. But right now its got a basic tune for the kit and cat's. So, any help you can put out regarding mustangs and if there is anything I can lend your way. Please let me know.
I have mpvi2 I have cracked software works great on gm question is how can I get for software
can you do a video on how you can turn off the variable timming
I want to tune my 2014 gt mustang for performance gains but am new to this. Can anyone help me with any information you know I'll need or should know please. And what tools?
I have a 2011-2014 tune you can look at. N/a with comp cams
@5:20 You're thinking auto start/stop. that's not what that is. That's literally for the car to completely turn off once it has been idling in park or out of gear for a long period of time (15-30ish minutes). I noticed that they do that when I started eating lunch in my car in the parking lot. You can turn it off in the gauge cluster screen. Mustangs do not have auto start/stop, btw.
That’s exactly what I was thinking lol.
when imrc is locked out we change desired position to open and position to 100% This tells pcm to basically ignore 0-13 VCT map points and we then disable those points. We make histograms for each map point on a layout when logging for SD, Torque and ⚡️. Ford has made it pretty complicated to tune.
I'm fairly new to tuning and a gen2 coyote swapped 2011 f150 was my first project. I left most of the vvt tables alone but used the optimum power vs TPS like you would PE in a GM. I did move it done the tps range. Owner drives like hes never heard of an mpg anyway.
Thanks for sharing the info!
Hi Raymond! How youdoing? Dude, I'm trying to tune a 2012 5.0L Mustang and have several questions regarding te mapped points and Optimum Power table. Could you help me if I send you my questions?
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Look under system to disable start stop. I just found it on a 2015 f150 ecoboost. If you’re curious to look at that tune let me know. I can send it to you
Awesome, thanks, Sup!
Good stuff.
Now thats what im talking about
Please do Taurus ecoboost!
Please do more videos on this ecm
You need to check out the caliber srt4 tune. There's a few on the tune repository. You will be baffled lol. Gpec1 pcm
Where we at for this? I have a 16 708whp PD car I'd log for a good cause.
On the idle stop just put your mouse over max time and look in the bottom right and input the max number witch lookes like 1million seconds in to the second table next to max time it should never shut off that would be over 250hrs of idle time so any thing in the 10+ hr range should do I fine
4.6 2v police interceptor ?
I'm a newbie on hp tuners and purchased the pro mpvi, can I tune the 2017 mustang gt with it or do I need the mpvi2?
You can tune a 2017 with mpvi, you do not need mpvi2.
Also do a video of how to log maf error for mustang
Good idea
Does anyone know how to data log knock retard on an 04 ford 5.4 triton? I have looked around many many places, and can't find anything. GM and Dodge are very straight forward, ford, not so much. The Borderline Knock table shows RPM over Load, so in the scanner I would assume to open a channel for load and rpm, then build a chart, but what parameters should one use?
Very confused right now.
Thx
I'd love to see a 2.0L ecoboost tune video.
Edit: cobb access port if possible
We need a detailed understanding of this platform. The MBT tables are overwhelming. I recently got a client for Burble Tune on a 2016 Ecoboost and it was a pain!
Tried the regular way of DFCO and retarding the MBT tables on low loads. Had to paste my values on all MBT tables. It worked awesome but introduced some jerking while shifting from 1st to 2nd gear at 1500rpm even though I had modified the tables above 3000rpm.
Would love it if you can make some sense of why that happened and how to do it properly.
I've got a guy that Swapped a manual transmission into an 18 F150 5.0, and now he's having lots of codes. He asked if I could fix it, I don't know anything about Fords. What is needed to finalize the manual swap and make it run like factory? I've read stuff about controller packs. Is it as easy as LS Stuff?
I need to disable traction control on a 2007 mustang. Help.
I know this an old video but if someone could get back to me it would be great. Does anyone know if a 14 f150 ecu can be flashed with a 14 mustang stock tune. Thanks
It can, depends on your injectors, fuel pump, cams, etc. I know for 100% fact cams are different though. Better to start learning the basics. 5.0 pcm’s are not for the beginner tuner with all the mapped points. Read read read.
@@motox55132 ive messed with the tune on my 5.3 and know i could re flash the ecu for a different vehicle just wasn’t positive about the ford ecu. The f150 ecu is like $75 from a junk yard the mustang ecu is upwards of $350 so we wanted to go with the f150ecu and when the cams are swapped to the mustang cam i was just going to flash the ecu with the mustang stock tune instead of paying someone just to change for the cams.
Is there anything out there for 2014 3.7 V6 mustangs. I have a bama and it's ok. But I want more
Not sure, honestly
Yes hptuners covers 14 mustang v6 and v8
If you go to HPtuners they have a list of every vehicle covered
Can’t wait for a hemi video
Soon...
I think MAF Airflow vs. Period is the same us MAF Airflow vs frequency f=1/T :-) so 83.3µs = 11 990,4Hz
I like for u to do one on the 96-98 mustang gt
I have a procharged 2015 mustang gt tune if you would like to look it over
Thanks, send it to info@goatropegarage.com
Kyle I may be able to get you a log file of a blown 5.0. My brother in law has one. Lmk if you are interested
Sure, I wouldn't mind checking a log out
@@GoatRopeGarage ok shoot me an email of what all you want me to log
Have a 96 4.6 dohc 11psi boost non intercooled need some help with maf transfer function car runs real rich
Do a 3.5 ecoboost like this!
Definitely do an ecoboost video !
Do a pontiac grand prix since your doing a ford
U are using a 2017 tune. - use a 2018 and up it has direct injection and port and has 10 speed
the 5.0 use Maf Peroid Vs Airflow and not Maf Airflow. MAF Peroid Vs Airflow is where all adjustments are made for fueling , 2011 plus 5.0 come from factory with wideband O2 sensors so there is no need to disable LTFT. Ford only operates in open loop during cold start . A histogram of STFT + LTFT is best to calculate fuel trims within 3-5% . You can still go the traditional way of tuning, forcing open loop by turning adaptation of and disable cylair anticipation and disable LTFT and tune fuel trims using STFT.
Nice lambda t-shirt
Histogram spark for Ford
Please do some videos on SCT advantage 3
Man, seems impossible to get that software without being a dealer, right?
@@GoatRopeGarage SCT has a pro racing Package Advantage 3 From what I hear you can Tune 3 cars But you will have to drop one off and pay $100 to add another car if you go beyond the 3 cars It is the dealer package you are talking about Which is thousands of dollars
Very nice lol
Quite different than what we are used to seeing... different
Oh no we've gone to the dark side lol
Hek yea sonnnnnn
check out an australian ford falcon
2011 to 2017 are all port injection. 2018 plus 5.0 are direct port injection and port injection
Lmao! What’s this wold coming to!
Am I the only one finding myself using “ wonkie” in everyday conversations?
Hahaha, obviously I do!
1st
Glad we feel the same about fords... haha had to watch to learn about the devil I guess. lol
Did you say pppppfffffooorrrd
ummm 05 hemi with a turbo
Another GM Nutswinger yank,i looked in here to a decent ford tuner,and what did i find
Yeah, not into tuning slow things around here, but you'll know where to go when you get tired of getting your ass dragged and you finally LS swap that thing, lol
GM guys.... soooo dramatic
Got around to watching this video from 2 years ago. That is messed up there at the beginning, especially since I know for a fact that a ford will outlast a Chevy, and dodge. I went to a car show and watched them pull all the fluids out of the cars and after 10 minutes the dodge and CHEVY croaked. The FORD they shut off after 30 minutes after getting tired of waiting for it to croak
He's upset cause he got clapped by an 3.5 eco F150.
Hahaha, you wish