@ISABELLA ABALOS lots of other counter questions as well, what makes the character weird? Are you asking in order to invalidate them in some way? Did you read the description under the photo if you were looking at it on Instagram? Was commenting asking me to personally explain it easier than looking at the content I've already made?
@ISABELLA ABALOS That's Biko from Stormfellers, a project I've been working on this past year, check out the Cast Design series, Environment design series, and any thumbnail with his face in it to see a bit more about the character- I've shared tons about the story so far!
I'm just going to shill for Shadow Prophet here and say that a German intern who worked on Secret of Kells wrote that comic, and its art style is based off of Kells, but with harsh sketchy lines and angular shapes.
I've been trying to learn how to avoid tangents for a while, and I never had a name for them. Thanks for so much helpful advice, I'm going to keep this in mind from now on!!
i thought a tangent was going to be like, getting distracted in your drawing like filling in a bunch of unnecessary details and losing the big picture or something
Glad I'm not the only one with an appreciation for cartoon saloon - I absolutely love all of their animations💖 The Breadwinner is a film I recommend whenever I get the chance.
This is a great video, i love the secret of kells and the artwork in that movie is so inspiring. I'm going to start trying to check for tangents in my lineart before I finish it. Thanks Brookes!
Thanks for this Brookes! I have encountered the idea of tangents before but I didn't really understand till now why they're not necessarily something we should keep. I got too stuck with the "draw what you see" mindset that it kind of made me less aware of tangents
I would like to challenge friends for fun to draw a very calculated drawing with only (well, as much as possible) tangents because the "horrible one" he draw was actually kinda good and I'm also gonna try it myself haha
OMG DUDE THANK YOU! It's funny how sometimes we do things without know exacly what we are actually doing, i will definely remember next time i draw, thank you!
I'm so glad you mentioned good tangents! So often I hear people use the terms 'tangents' and 'bad tangents' interchangeably like all tangents are inherently bad in art. And what a great example of a good use of tangents!
I never knew what it was called, but now I do thanks to you! God, I've always thought about how some pieces of art just feel like my brain is destroying itself trying to figure out if it's front, behind, backwards, etc.
...NOW I get what my professor meant by I have good compositional skills. Those lines make my OCD go a bit nuts so I usually try to avoid weird intersections. Doesn't mean I always do, just a tendency to shy away My work is going to look a LOT better now that I understand why I do what I do. Thanks :D
Didn't know what tangents were before this, but now I'm realizing that every time I perceive something to be a tangent (without applying the term), I immediately try to change it unless I've made too much progress. Sometimes I unintentionally make lines connect and it hurts to see. :']
I appreciate how you talk positively about the pieces you critique and only use them from people who have submitted them. Back in the day UA-camrs in this genre would take random pieces off of DeviantArt and dunk on them and it was really mean-spirited and almost made you afraid to post things out of fear some jerk would make a video about how you're a terrible artist next.
i think i might have an issue with this in my artwork, i used to draw in the Villainous art style but now im trying to convert that art style to a mixture of Hanna Barbera/Villainous/Dexter's Laboratory/Powerpuff Girls art style
Maybe it's because I was primed but the image used as an example in the beginning made sense immediately. I understand the mistakes made though, they would cause sone serious chaos if made in someone's naturally more elaborate project. The Olimar idea though, that stuff scares me away from backgrounds xD
I'm currently working on a graphic novel about one of my D&D characters. She's a tabaxi barbarian, with tiger stripes, and oooooh, do those stripes ever make it hard to avoid tangents.
4:48 - I have to disagree with you in this point, Brookes. For example, The amazing world of Gumbal, except the first style cuz they was made all flat at the first place, I am mentioning the present style, they combine both flat and dimensional style. Some body parts like the body, the feet are flat but the sleeve, the shoulder are sometimes flat, sometimes dimensional, depending on character animation.
After spending countless hours peering through a periscope in Silent Hunter, this image is nothing. :P In fact, the worst bit was trying to decide if the ship was on a painting or behind a viewport. What's way more distracting are the misshapen arms of the guy. They look like they are someone else's.
I liked the example at 2:00 but that's probably because I like abstractism over realism and instantly recognised the figure is in the foreground and window in the background.
My favorite example of a tangent in popular media is in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the one with Gene Wilder as Wonka). The news anchor that interviews Augustus stands in front of a taxidermy for a few seconds and it appears as if he has antlers. Lol Here's a link to that scene: ua-cam.com/video/_qnEBe33ag0/v-deo.html
I guess the difference between being an artist and not being an artist is being able too see what's wrong with the examples. I swear those are perfect drawings
I'll be honest I really like all of the drawings in here even the one that was supposed to be really bad and cause revulsion I was just like, looks nice
If you want to make surrealist, psychedelic, op art illusions, tangents are your friend. Suggesting multiple interpretations with your shapes can be a style that surprises and invites the viewer to look deeper... But the information you want to be immediately parsable should obey good compositional theory. * (I wrote this before seeing the end of the video)
The mention of dimensions in animated shows and movies reminds me of Hercules. In the scene with the first monster he battled, the monster felt a lot more 3 dimensional than the characters and it kind of brought me out of the experience. It did look cool but it felt too different from all the other scenes in the movie.
Honestly, I love the repulsive drawing. Though I'd prefer if it didn't have the parts from the neck down, they really distract from the pattern based beauty of the head and window. By comparison, the fixed version is just really generic.
Honestly, there are more kinds of good tangents. Sometimes, hair is drawn stemming from one point or line on the head. That makes the hair more realistic and looks better than random lines all over the place because hair grows in a general direction from a certain point or line.
I guess it was natural for me to avoid this kind of problem since it really bothers me with this "tangents" that I found out right now. I was in highschool I rarely make background if my focus is on the character I draw. But whenever I draw one I make sure it natural and doesn't seems off. I started being aware of my lines after starting with shading and lighting in my highschool days.
Ooooh this happens to me when I'm drawing. Never knew what it was called but it bothered me. Like when the line of the shirt lines up with the characters chest line, it looks so weird.
Some say they'd made tangents unintentionally and this video helped them spot them but tbh I don't really have much of a problem with 'em. Cool that I know about 'em but I feel like I have it down-pat, though I'm open to be wrong.
Ah yes Tangents. *Andrew Dobson's greatest enemy* Aside from perspective, anatomy, facial expressions, coloring, shading, line weight, all sorts of other art issues and for two more additional points: response to criticism and humility.
After some 20 hours of working on a watercolor painting (and weeding out A LOT of tangents) I realized that a shelf looks like a character’s hat =/ I can rationalize that composition but it does not make it less horrible to look at it.
Errrrmmm I don’t mean to be that one person but in the “repulsive” tangent drawing it isn’t so bad actually.. the only one that confused me at all, which was only for a few seconds at that, was the window pane in line with the top of the boat. Maybe it’s just me being prepared, or just generally having a good concept of where things are in drawings for it to make sense, but I dunno it just isn’t so bad.
You're walking in the woods alone
It's dark and there's no one around you
You spot him out of the corner of your eye
Tangent Brookes
omg we have a winner
Lol
Is this a reference to actual cannibal
Shia Lebouff
Why is UA-cam showing me a comment I dont reply to or make?
A tangent about tangents. I like it
@@AxxLAfriku do you fart
Tangible hmmmmmm :) how about you tangent to our channel ;)
I used to talk about tangents in art and people always thought I was crazy. You're the first person in 20 years who I've ever seen talk about it.
Hehe thanks! A lot of my illustration and design mentors talked about them a ton
I GUESS YOU COULD SAY YOU WENT ON MANY A TANGENT HAHAHAHAAH HAH AH AHAHAAHA HAH AHAHAH AH AHahaah ah ha h a ha a ha
@@notmyfullname598 h a h a
That ultimate tangent drawing looks almost like an abstract artstyle you’d see in a museum
SALUTE to the artists who agreed to have their art shown!
Brookes is a positive teacher, but putting your art in the world is a big step. ⭐️
The "repulsive" tangent drawing is so bad it comes back around to being good.
So, mathematically not a tangent
Tanges?
Tangeno.
It looks like album art for a indie band you'd find one night by chance on UA-cam and it's full of bangers
I agree it's like looking at an optical illusion
@@thisisanaccountalright ooh
Can I still draw Sines and Cosines in my art?
No, that'd be sinful behavior
@@raspberryjam or cosful behavior
Your points are sharp, but my angles are sharper.
@Uchechi Godwin-Offor
They are still slightly rational
@@raspberryjam oh god why stop
"Lines...
Aren't r e a l."
I subscribed that instant without hesitation.
Anyone else ever try to see if there were outlines in real life as a kid?
Simplifying muscle groups is definitely a learning process right now, so I feel this.
So cool of the artists to allow these examples with their work
For a moment, I thought you were focusing on the "losing focus" types of tangents...
Just as you were talking about the lines converging my mind was like "Ah, they did it much better in the secret of kells"
AND THEN YOU SAID IT.
And speaking of tangents how about Sephiroth in Smash am I right *slaps knee*
Oh no Cin You have gone so far off topic oh no
@ISABELLA ABALOS Have you watched any of my videos before?
@ISABELLA ABALOS lots of other counter questions as well, what makes the character weird? Are you asking in order to invalidate them in some way? Did you read the description under the photo if you were looking at it on Instagram? Was commenting asking me to personally explain it easier than looking at the content I've already made?
@ISABELLA ABALOS That's Biko from Stormfellers, a project I've been working on this past year, check out the Cast Design series, Environment design series, and any thumbnail with his face in it to see a bit more about the character- I've shared tons about the story so far!
Speaking of tangents, how about Luz in TOH am I right?
I actually would be interested in hearing more abour how to do flat designs with intentionalityy--ive only ever done it on as ccident before, lol
Absolutely! We touched on it in the Animated Series Let's Design vid, and we can definitely revisit it
@@CharacterDesignForge im glad you were able to decipher my typo laden comment lol
@@godahlrogue8587 woah I didn’t even see the typos till I read your reply what
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@@MM-rz8hr same lol
Ah, The Secret of Kells I love that movie!!
That and Song of the Sea UNDERRRATED!!!!
One of my favorites that movie is, it's beautiful
Highly recommend their new one Wolfwalkers
I'm just going to shill for Shadow Prophet here and say that a German intern who worked on Secret of Kells wrote that comic, and its art style is based off of Kells, but with harsh sketchy lines and angular shapes.
@@Xenwarrior5 oooh that sounds interesting I'll look into it, thanks for sharing
I've been trying to learn how to avoid tangents for a while, and I never had a name for them. Thanks for so much helpful advice, I'm going to keep this in mind from now on!!
You are so welcome!
Same! I kind of could tell when it looked funky but I couldn't put my finger on what it was. Now I know! Tangents!
Random Thursday upload? This is...
Acceptable
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one ;)
I loved Secret of Kells so much. The art style hit something wonderful in my brain. The animation style is just _gorgeous._
i feel like not enough ppl know about tangent in art and i'm so glad you talked about this :)
This is a shining example of what constructive criticism should look like. Good job and subscribed
i thought a tangent was going to be like, getting distracted in your drawing like filling in a bunch of unnecessary details and losing the big picture or something
I spy The Secret of Kells. That movie is AMAZING!
Sometimes it feels like the art I'm drawing is actively TRYING to make tangents!
I've had this problem so many times in my art, thank you for addressing this.
I hate when my lines line up like that. It just instantly makes everything so much worse.
Is it bad I saw nothing wrong with the image untill you started explaining, and even after you did it didn't look bad or distracting?
Glad I'm not the only one with an appreciation for cartoon saloon - I absolutely love all of their animations💖 The Breadwinner is a film I recommend whenever I get the chance.
This is a great video, i love the secret of kells and the artwork in that movie is so inspiring. I'm going to start trying to check for tangents in my lineart before I finish it. Thanks Brookes!
This is incredibly helpful. I didn't even know what these kind of tangents were until this! Thank you.
Thanks again for a great video! I've started to notice these all around my art and they really need fixing. Thanks for the advice!!
I feel like I learnt this from a "how to draw manga" book back when I was 10, and I've never heard it spoken about anywhere else ever since.
Thanks for this Brookes! I have encountered the idea of tangents before but I didn't really understand till now why they're not necessarily something we should keep. I got too stuck with the "draw what you see" mindset that it kind of made me less aware of tangents
I would like to challenge friends for fun to draw a very calculated drawing with only (well, as much as possible) tangents
because the "horrible one" he draw was actually kinda good and I'm also gonna try it myself haha
This was a nice surprise!
Wonderful to see Secret of Kells used as an example. One of my all time favorite films. :D
OMG DUDE THANK YOU! It's funny how sometimes we do things without know exacly what we are actually doing, i will definely remember next time i draw, thank you!
Best. Opening. Ever.
Also that image is like if MC Escher did digital simplistic art.
And then boom. Lines aren't real. What even is life. o.o;
This really emphasizes the utility of drafting the character and scene at the same time.
I'm so glad you mentioned good tangents! So often I hear people use the terms 'tangents' and 'bad tangents' interchangeably like all tangents are inherently bad in art. And what a great example of a good use of tangents!
"Did you say Tango?"
"No, Gomez darling, I said tangent. But since you're here...."
I never knew what it was called, but now I do thanks to you! God, I've always thought about how some pieces of art just feel like my brain is destroying itself trying to figure out if it's front, behind, backwards, etc.
...NOW I get what my professor meant by I have good compositional skills. Those lines make my OCD go a bit nuts so I usually try to avoid weird intersections. Doesn't mean I always do, just a tendency to shy away
My work is going to look a LOT better now that I understand why I do what I do. Thanks :D
Didn't know what tangents were before this, but now I'm realizing that every time I perceive something to be a tangent (without applying the term), I immediately try to change it unless I've made too much progress. Sometimes I unintentionally make lines connect and it hurts to see. :']
The pupils and the portholes in a simplistic way, suggest longing or separation. Maybe he wants to leave,albeit he wants someone on that ship to stay
Good video, though I will say that the idea of ones pupils lining up with the portholes on a ship is actually really cool
The longer I watch this video, the more I love tangents. I didn’t even know they were a thing lol
I enjoy watching these videos. These really help me make my characters better defined, and more coherent to the eye, if that makes sense.
I appreciate how you talk positively about the pieces you critique and only use them from people who have submitted them. Back in the day UA-camrs in this genre would take random pieces off of DeviantArt and dunk on them and it was really mean-spirited and almost made you afraid to post things out of fear some jerk would make a video about how you're a terrible artist next.
These artists are very big to be open to critique.
everybody should be open to critique
I have no clue of what tangets in art even is, but I’m glad to learn it from you, man.
Also, that opening tho 👌👀
I didn't know what this was, but now that you are explaining it I see it everywhere in my art 😭
When Brookes makes bad art and I still go, “Wooooh, look at that beautiful head shape, tho...” 😅
I remember seeing an Instagram post about avoiding tangents and have since been absolutely *paranoid* about that...
The Secret of Kells also reminds me of of the work of Charles Rennie Macintosh, and of the illuminated panels from the game Riven
i think i might have an issue with this in my artwork, i used to draw in the Villainous art style but now im trying to convert that art style to a mixture of Hanna Barbera/Villainous/Dexter's Laboratory/Powerpuff Girls art style
2:12
It would have been even better (aka worse) if you had drawn a partially closed eyelid at the same level as the ship.
The tangent art could make a very fever dream abstract art (not really character design, but abstract wise)
Great video, you really opened my eyes to something I never noticed before
This is one of those things i always try to avoid when drawing, but never knew its name (i figured it did but never looked it up).
Maybe it's because I was primed but the image used as an example in the beginning made sense immediately. I understand the mistakes made though, they would cause sone serious chaos if made in someone's naturally more elaborate project.
The Olimar idea though, that stuff scares me away from backgrounds xD
I'm currently working on a graphic novel about one of my D&D characters. She's a tabaxi barbarian, with tiger stripes, and oooooh, do those stripes ever make it hard to avoid tangents.
That intro is amazing! Love it. XD
I heard this before, but i never trully understand the tangent thing. NOW i understand completely, thanks
4:48 - I have to disagree with you in this point, Brookes. For example, The amazing world of Gumbal, except the first style cuz they was made all flat at the first place, I am mentioning the present style, they combine both flat and dimensional style. Some body parts like the body, the feet are flat but the sleeve, the shoulder are sometimes flat, sometimes dimensional, depending on character animation.
I'm still not over the "lines aren't real" quote *mindblown*
Speaking of tangents; Kirby's hat on the stripe on the wall decor in the background.
hehe
3:15 made me question a lot of what I do in a good way, thank you. 🙂
Nice advices! I'll take note of them.
After spending countless hours peering through a periscope in Silent Hunter, this image is nothing. :P In fact, the worst bit was trying to decide if the ship was on a painting or behind a viewport. What's way more distracting are the misshapen arms of the guy. They look like they are someone else's.
I just recently learned about tangents but I'd always try to not do them or fix them in my art- its interesting to learn that this has a name
I liked the example at 2:00 but that's probably because I like abstractism over realism and instantly recognised the figure is in the foreground and window in the background.
“By the way, this ship is... a MESS”
Oh the things I could apply that statement to
My favorite example of a tangent in popular media is in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the one with Gene Wilder as Wonka). The news anchor that interviews Augustus stands in front of a taxidermy for a few seconds and it appears as if he has antlers. Lol
Here's a link to that scene: ua-cam.com/video/_qnEBe33ag0/v-deo.html
So good 😂
I guess the difference between being an artist and not being an artist is being able too see what's wrong with the examples. I swear those are perfect drawings
I'll be honest I really like all of the drawings in here even the one that was supposed to be really bad and cause revulsion I was just like, looks nice
If you want to make surrealist, psychedelic, op art illusions, tangents are your friend. Suggesting multiple interpretations with your shapes can be a style that surprises and invites the viewer to look deeper... But the information you want to be immediately parsable should obey good compositional theory.
* (I wrote this before seeing the end of the video)
The mention of dimensions in animated shows and movies reminds me of Hercules. In the scene with the first monster he battled, the monster felt a lot more 3 dimensional than the characters and it kind of brought me out of the experience. It did look cool but it felt too different from all the other scenes in the movie.
Great lesson on tangents! Algo +1
I enjoyed this video it was quite digestible :)
I accidentally discovered this in my baby artist years and immediately went "that looks weird"
Honestly, I love the repulsive drawing. Though I'd prefer if it didn't have the parts from the neck down, they really distract from the pattern based beauty of the head and window.
By comparison, the fixed version is just really generic.
Honestly, there are more kinds of good tangents. Sometimes, hair is drawn stemming from one point or line on the head. That makes the hair more realistic and looks better than random lines all over the place because hair grows in a general direction from a certain point or line.
I guess it was natural for me to avoid this kind of problem since it really bothers me with this "tangents" that I found out right now. I was in highschool I rarely make background if my focus is on the character I draw. But whenever I draw one I make sure it natural and doesn't seems off.
I started being aware of my lines after starting with shading and lighting in my highschool days.
Ooooh this happens to me when I'm drawing. Never knew what it was called but it bothered me. Like when the line of the shirt lines up with the characters chest line, it looks so weird.
Very nice! Thank you for sharing this. Also your new outro is very nice.
The idea of the pupils lining up with the portholes is way too good an idea to just throw away on a “look how bad this is” drawing
looks like surrealist art
Me: Can’t enjoy drawing no matter how desperately I want to and need to.
Also me: Watches video on drawing tips I will never use.
Some say they'd made tangents unintentionally and this video helped them spot them but tbh I don't really have much of a problem with 'em. Cool that I know about 'em but I feel like I have it down-pat, though I'm open to be wrong.
Ah yes Tangents.
*Andrew Dobson's greatest enemy*
Aside from perspective, anatomy, facial expressions, coloring, shading, line weight, all sorts of other art issues and for two more additional points: response to criticism and humility.
That worst drawing just looked like digital picasso, or like that art style google uses to draw people.
After some 20 hours of working on a watercolor painting (and weeding out A LOT of tangents) I realized that a shelf looks like a character’s hat =/ I can rationalize that composition but it does not make it less horrible to look at it.
Tangents and composition are funnily enough one thing I've never had trouble with.
My art brain hates me in other places tho
great tutorial
Is it bad that I really liked that tangent drawing?
Alright, so base my artstyle exclusively around tangent lines... got it!
For the reason of- owning me or something?
i knew there was something wrong with some of my drawings but i couldn't put my finger on it lol
Me when drawing help video
big relate
The absolute madman is talking about tangents while sitting in front of a wall creating some himself.
😉
I love this channel.
So basically it's 'accidentally setting details apart as their own objects due to hard lines and unintentional connections'?
Errrrmmm I don’t mean to be that one person but in the “repulsive” tangent drawing it isn’t so bad actually.. the only one that confused me at all, which was only for a few seconds at that, was the window pane in line with the top of the boat. Maybe it’s just me being prepared, or just generally having a good concept of where things are in drawings for it to make sense, but I dunno it just isn’t so bad.