What is a Tangent? (in art)
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2017
- If you're a math nerd, you might be constantly confused by the use of the word tangent among artists. In this video, I explain the word as it relates to art, and also give examples of how to improve your art by avoiding tangent disasters.
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WHAT IS A TANGENT
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You forgot the question mark
I don't get it :((
Hi Ross!
"I like things that look flat!" You better be talking about me
This was something I'd noticed on my own before but I never was able to pick out why it was making my compositions look worse. I just knew "this'll look better if I put that further over." It's so nice to have a technical explanation for it thank you!
It's something I noticed on my own while drawing that makes the real world uglier to me. Look around you and I bet you can easily find 5 or 6 "stolen tangents" from where you're sitting, all making things look misshapen if you close one eye to flatten your depth perception. Eclipses are cool though.
Ahh, I've been trying to avoid these kinds of things in my work for years because I never thought it looked right! I never knew it had a name!! I have learned.
Just wanted to provide some opinions on the other side of graphic design; Tangents, especially Kissing, Stolen and Parallel are very popular and common in Typography layouts or in Graphic design styles. Example: “The Global Style,” where typography lines up neatly with each other, creating parallel tangents and even stolen tangents.
Tangents are not inherently bad, it’s just that sometimes they create unwanted “tension.” Imagine two circles kissing each other: the tension would be in the part where they kiss. But that’s not a bad thing-the tension can become a conscious choice. ^^ The choice can be that you wanted the attention to be the kiss between the two circles. It’s all about design hierarchy!
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>We can call this either a stolen tangent or shared tangent based on your political beliefs
LMAO
Extremely useful!
Oh wow :D
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this sheds some light at some of my art instincts, good video. Never realised that the rule is so relatively simple.
Though, I was expecting to also hear about cases when tangents actually complement the art. I can see it in Picasso's art, ancient egypt style, some modern cartoon's design, etc.
Now I can see why some people say that analytical - organized people tends to be unartistic and artistic people tends to be more messy, their definition of tangent is different in their mind. Organised people see tangents are good, it lines up perfectly, makes more compact thing, artistic people see tangent bad, it makes your art look flat. Just my random 2 cent.
Thank you for these videos, Sinix. Your videos on graphic design elements have, by far, the most helpful to me. Your video on graffiti is still one of the most eye-opening videos I've seen from you.
incedibly helpful video,
thanx for massively improving my art so far.
I clicked so quickly, you helped me a lot in your past videos, thank you.
omg. more perceivable logic in art. THANK you. I use this in photography too!
Great tutorial to break any confusion on the topic. The words you chose, I've never heard another artist use them, but they make sense. Do you come up with your own expressions for all kinds of concepts? Thanks a lot anyway, I'm saving it as a reference for future videos about level design!
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I think I got the idea from the last video, but this one really helped me get a grip on the whole concept. Thanks Sinix.
this is one of the most important videos from sinix....tangents make sinix angry lol.
Wow! I have always been extremely bothered and meticulous about lines and shapes aligning too much, but I have never known it was an actual thing with a name... The more ya know! Like not even just art. My OCD intensifies the amount that I notice it in everyday things, like aligning a rug on a floor, the placement of the mouse pointer on a computer screen, etc. And at the end when you were purposely creating tangents, my brain was physically cringing haha
Although tangents tend to make drawing and paintings flat, in graphic design, a grid based system relies on certain tangents for optimizing visual interest and flow of content across the page. When you were placing the VSB on the illustration, their placement became the essential element on the page, making the illustration take a secondary position in the hierarchy. The way you were moving the letters around the illustration, you were making bad design decisions based on what you saw as the importance of the illustration, but it should have been the other way around.
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My art teacher taught me this a few years ago! Great video
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. The thumbnail may not be appealing to an illustrator, but it does contain graphic design elements that resonate with “good tangent” ideas. Think David Carson styled design, and it’s not that far off.
Hi Sinix. This is one of my fav videos on your channel :) Helped me a lot. Especially showing how all the diff tangents are misplaced. Thx Professor! Btw you almost have 100K subscribers (99,663 at the time of this comment), you'll be joining Ahmed and Ross soon!! Congratulations!!
i guess every day you learn a new thing! i heard about tangents before, but definitely not in art, so basically bad tangent is equal to not being able to read the silhouette? i will definitely go more in depth and try to read more about tangent now!! thank you so so much Sinix you're the best
Very articulate and easy to understand. Well done.
Dude, you're the best. You really read our comments, don't you? Lemme tell you, Sinix, your channel is the best thing that has happened to my art lately
I remember when we were kids and draw an horizontal line for the floor and EVERYTHING would be placed on it :p
Thank you for this video I was wondering about this!
Your examples are EXEMPLARY!
Design-side of me: hmmm, yes, tangents, don't over align
Obsessive-side of me: R I G H T A N G L E S
critical..........that was really good and now i understand how shod i place the element of my designs thank u
I love your humor, please keep it up! lol
Those tangents examples actually hurt to watch xD you forgot one tangent though, Frame/edge tangent - when things tangent the edge of the canvas.
This is both hilarious and informative!
I would really really want to see some actual paintings critiques with this subject as main focus of it. Tho I did understood the whole explanation of it I would've of liked see more examples in actual pieces of artworks.
Regardless, thanks for the video!
Another great video
Very very great... thanks sinix :D
The "tortoise part" with tangents was a pain to me xD
Keep pushing, you rock man.
I needed this ! It's really instructive, but god... To chase tangent in detailed drawings already gives me headaches LOL. Anyway I'll fight this ! Thank you for this awesome explaination. :D I suscribe !
Sinix, the good news about terrible Tangents is that we're in the compositional phase of design drawing and out of the stick figures and random doodles level, Light bulb ! thank's again
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Ty for this.... I actually asked what this was in your last video!
Great video!
That was very interesting! :D
It's very confusing when you're in the middle of a drawing and suddenly a tengent appears
I loved the video, it was really helpful but I would have liked you to show more examples of what 'to do,' rather than what 'not to do.'
Good video 👍🏼
i have always avoided these subconciously, i didn't know it can be a real problem
I HAD NO IDEA! that's why everyone always says my drawings are flat but they could never tell me why!
Thanks for going on a tangent, Sinix! You rock! Screw you geometry!
I'm not sure why I laughted so much at "It's not really a logo, its just letters". great video thanks Sinix.
but I'm guessing that with a lot of care you could probably use tangents in some specific scenarios to add some more flow to a painting, make the eye follow a path by connecting shapes at specific points.
i kinda like tangents if they have rythm ,and i waa ok with most tangents you showed but then you proved me wrong by making them better
9.:24 I really love that painting! Is there any chance you could link it so that I could use it as a wallpaper? Thanks.
love it
thanks alot
Thanks! Illuminating... :)
thank u so much .... I didn't realize the horrible mistakes I've been making till now ... I have a question .. dose the stolen tangent look bad when m creating flat design ??? I mean is it me or when u intentionally tried to make bad tangents it looked appealing as a flat design
This seems to contradict with the graphic design principle of alignment, does it not? When used properly, tangents used for alignment can convey clarity and order.
I wouldn't say contradict. Tangents and alignment are uniting forces. Uniting things can be very important, but this video is all about avoiding the accidental uniting of separate objects.
Sinix Design nice reply sinix
TWO. VIDEOS. A WEEK?! I will be happy with one a week if that's not always possible.
learned alot :l
THNX! :D
will you do a part 2 of glitch art?
Am I the only one that also finds tangents weirdly satisfying? Like the pieces of a puzzle fitting together. XD
Yes
This video was great but i think he missed the mark at the end since i believe graphic design required you to use tangen as much as possible
oh magurd. he finally did it!
i hate this video it was so painful to watch but i also appreciate this video so much it helped me understand the tangent lines and why they could be bad
and also how to hopefully avoid my own tangents 😭bc these were PAINFUL KJNWKDSJH
saving this video XD
does this mean your avatars face upper line has a pretty annoying tangent against the upper line of the frame?
I still don't understand completely, but this has certainly helped! I think the reason it doesn't help is because my brain is already hard wired to avoid tangents, so I just don't see the point, or something along those lines. (Point, lines, ha) Thank you!
great, now I want a sinix poster...
STOP CREATING ALL THESE TANGENTS FOR EDUCATING DEMONSTRATION IT HURTS MY EYES
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oh no,after this video i see ALL fail tangents and its really annoying :D thank you for evolution in my art!)
-I actually liked the thumbnail-
Hello, Sinix. Are there any situations where these bad tangents turn out to be beneficial to the overall image?
As far as i can remember, there were always some exceptions to the rules in art.
I guess they can be beneficial when you are making a video about avoiding tangents :DDDD
Lol I spilled my coke at 3:41
But how can you actually make tangent works maybe something like cubism?
the force awakens movie poster has an ugly tangent between kylo's lightsaber and rey's staff that always bugged me but no one else seemed to notice.
Paul Sihotang Because it was done on purpose to be a dumb symbol for Kylo and Rey’s poorly made characters. The worst tangent is between Kylo’s saber and BB-8’s head
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Could you please show your math for the 30% increase in depth? I'm struggling to figure out where that number came from.
Facetiousness. Stop over analyzing it.
nice video :) what program are you using to draw with? the snapping of the lines seems helpful for writing
Usually uses corel painter
thanks do u know what setting makes the nice lines for writing?
I think its mostly just freehand, but some of the lines appear to be done by holding shift, im not sure if painter has line smoothing.
Oh, it might be because of how painter handles brushe strokes, its more of a simulation of traditional mediums, so if you have ever used photoshop and had say a square brush that follows your direction, it gets those jaged edges cause its just stamping the same shape down rapidly, but in painter im not sure exactly what it does, but to put it simply it fills in the gaps. What i imagine is going on is that its somewhat similar to how vector programs work, where its aplying your brush to the path you move along. In that case i dont think its a setting, most brushes work that way unless you import a stamp or so ething like that.
that makes sense :) thanks
is it bad that I didn't see anything wrong with the thumbnail...
nope, but think of it like this: imagine all the stuff in the thumbnail painted with a black color, no details nothing is clear everything looks like a shadow, at that point you won't be able to tell where is this and where is that you know? i hope that make sense!
When doing graphics contrast is more important than the way shapes are placed because graphics are usually flat and it can be a technique or an effect that you purposefully use for composition. When painting or drawing its different because you are trying to imply depth in the image so having tangents is undesirable. The only thing that could be detrimental is that your image may imply a meaning that maybe you are not aware of.
Its just graphic design - nothing wrong there. You can see these kinda tangents in logo shapes all the time.
Tangent lines can also create good rhythms / relationships in composition if you know what you're doing.
Technically there was nothing wrong with the thumbnail, as he made it with the intention of making tagents
I think all the tangents in the thumbnail were really nice and helped blend the text and the background (/tie them together). it mafe me click on the video, so don't put down dem tangents
This is the first time in my life I’ve heard the word tangent.
such a happy little tortoise. he doesn't care.
You know what would be cool? An epic Tangent masterpiece with nothing BUT good&bad tangents. 🤔
Tangent talent
I had an art teacher that referred to these as "kissing lines".
I liked the thumbnail actually..
what did tangents ever do to you?
A terrible thumbnail that catches the viewer's eye is not really a terrible thumbnail :)
Imagine ever drawing backgrounds haha what do I look like a photographer haha
a laugh of desperation and sorrow
Idk I thought the thumbnail looked kinda cool :D lmao
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The obtuse triangle
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THE OBTUSE TRIANGLE
I have no idea how the old masters painted complex scenes and environments and balanced this all out, lots of placement and erasing geeze
You know:
I learned your definition of "tangents" as the definition of Framing.
What would your definition of Framing be?
tangent/10
Omg i'm the 2000th like :D
Me with OCD: **Heavy breathing**
attention a tangent!
How can you have 340 000 subscribers and 1900 thumbs up on an invaluable explanation on composition? I know, it can't be answered.
Anyone going to point out the irony of going on a tangent about tangents? 😆
*Oh god.. my apartment is full of tangents. Please send help.*
actually, tangents arent nearly as bad as just veeery slight overlapping edges