The Criminal Disney Couple
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2024
- “Simply fire the women who shouldn’t be working anyway, and hire the men. Presto! No unemployment. No relief rules. No depression.” - Norman Cousins, a journalist in 1939 who believed eliminating working women was the solution to economic recovery after the Great Depression.
Secretary of Labor Frances Perkins called working married women “selfish” as they took away jobs from men and single women when they could (in theory) be supported by their husbands. In 1932, the Economy Act was passed that fired one member of each married couple working in a government position. Then in 1933, the federal government required women with federal jobs to use their husbands name and not their maiden name.
Many women thwarted this law by getting married in secret or by using their maiden name (if they did not have a federal job). Laws were also in place that didn’t allow married men and women to work in the same place of business, as was the case for Ken and Polly.
Polly worked in the ink and paint department (later nicknamed “The Nunnery”) so they didn’t exactly work side by side at the studio, as fraternizing between the men and women was discouraged. But no one ever figured out Ken & Polly were married, including Walt Disney.
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“Simply fire the women who shouldn’t be working anyway, and hire the men. Presto! No unemployment. No relief rules. No depression.” - Norman Cousins, a journalist in 1939 who believed eliminating working women was the solution to economic recovery after the Great Depression.
Secretary of Labor Frances Perkins called working married women “selfish” as they took away jobs from men and single women when they could (in theory) be supported by their husbands. In 1932, the Economy Act was passed that fired one member of each married couple working in a government position. Then in 1933, the federal government required women with federal jobs to use their husbands name and not their maiden name.
Many women thwarted this law by getting married in secret or by using their maiden name (if they did not have a federal job). Laws were also in place that didn’t allow married men and women to work in the same place of business, as was the case for Ken and Polly.
Polly worked in the ink and paint department (later nicknamed “The Nunnery”) so they didn’t exactly work side by side at the studio, as fraternizing between the men and women was discouraged. But no one ever figured out Ken & Polly were married, including Walt Disney.
This is also what Hitler implemented in Germany to "improve" the average wages for men by effectively removing most working women from the workforce and solidifying their economic domination by men. Henry Ford, Hitler's biggest American fan, would replicate such ideas with the Fordist Family Wage model
@@witchy-wonderland1416
Imagine what Indigenous Women have gone through
-COMANCHE NATION
@@witchy-wonderland1416how did you manage to twist this to be transphobic?
@@witchy-wonderland1416Acting like trans woman don't experience misogyny is such a strange take, tbh.
I@@witchy-wonderland1416 imagine what trans women had to go through
My grandma still has her letter of getting fired for "becoming a mother"
I just ran into a cast member guide for Disneyland that showed what kind of questions people would potentially ask them that they needed to be ready to answer, and one of them said “where may I nurse my baby?” since it wasn’t openly accepted/protected to do so in public
Coming from India, my first thought was "that's a perfectly normal question". Then I realized, women can nurse their babies in public in the Western countries. Sadly it's completely and totally frowned upon to this day in India
My grandmother was working as a secretary when she got pregnant with my father. This was in the late 1940's. As expected for the time, she quit working to stay home with her baby. Decades later, she still took great pride in telling me how much the man she worked for wanted her to stay. He even offered to put a playpen in the office and have her bring my dad with her if it meant she would keep working for him. I think it gave her a real sense of accomplishment to know her professional skills were recognized and valued that highly.
@@KeaveMind I don't get offended but I am shocked to see a strangers boob being fed on by accident lol I always feel like I look like a creepy perv that likes that kind of thing just cuz I happened to see it 😂 and then I worry about actual creepy pervs in the area
For the record I think it's weird that some people do seemingly get offended by that though, it's not like they were called a creepy perv for witnessing a boob
@@redessa01That's so cool that she was appreciated that much!
The depression was the time that schoolteachers were allowed to marry. They were usually young women who left the job when they married because it was too time consuming. But during the depression they didn't want to leave a paying job so they lobbied for the law to allow them to marry. As soon as the law passed a great number of them married immediately, so they must have had the husbands picked out and ready.
That was depending on the state. Not all states had laws against a school teacher being married. The thing is we say "married women" and think it sounds crazy because we no longer associate that directly with having children. But then it was.
These laws were more so about being there to parent and raise one's own children. Things like daycare didn't exist en masse until later, and it was only created for desperate single mothers. It's not a healthy ideal so was not intended to become the norm.
Just as public k-12 started with the little school houses or off-putting industrial buildings that trained kids in poverty how to work in factory settings etc, how to be obedient and comply with their low position and kept them off the streets, so there would be less pick pockets etc.
Public k-12 as we know it today, though they have kept many of the same methods with GPA and standing in line, raising one's hand, etc...was essentially started in the mid-20th century in America. When the majority started to be pushed into public schools regardless of economic status of the family.
The families would pay taxes but be fully engaged with the school curriculum possibilities and staff etc. They had power and used it, many times both father and mother had time to attend serious school meetings, as most families even of various races managed to survive, own property, and on one income of 9-5 work. Today it's vastly different with mostly moms attending bake sales or other arbitrary PTA meetings and the like. At the district meetings being told they have two minutes to lay out their grievances. It's pathetic.
But the original methods were promising to families looking to the future for optimum possibilities. Thinking their boys and girls could attend the same schools, learn the same things early on was definitely a big boast. But they also had staff that on average was comparative to college level today. They knew more than the parents no doubt. Today most staff knows the same or less than the average parent. Because the parents back then expected more.
Even though most mothers were on qualuuds or other experimental medications; they tended to pay attention and asked their kids about their day, what they learned etc.
The drug-addled and sex=love era hit along with communism pushed in our universities. Go figure. And more families were breaking apart. Most parents started to send their kids off to be raised by strangers most the day while more women fled into the workforce and it unfortunately unbalanced the economy. We had more tax payers to be stolen from and the shift from the expectation/average of one working adult per home to two plus....created a market prime for inflation.
@@ari3lz3pp Your post draws all the wrong conclusions based upon misinformation .... carefully worded, but misinformed correlations discounting the dynamic achievements of a diversifying society and its 'evolving' acknowledgment of (in this example) what men and women can achieve in the creative workplace, and related industries WHEN they are challenged and empowered to work together 🌍 🎨 🏟 🦾 🎭 🤳🏿 🎬 🎞 🧠 🏰
[Rate of] Inflation has always existed (price of product or service increasing, generally), with certain exceptions .... salt and pepper each took turns being on a par with the trade value of precious metals and gemstones, for example.
Wages have steadily increased overall, btw, since the founding of our country and its diversifying government, workplace and economy 🗳 🙌🏽 🙌🏿 🙌 📈
@@ari3lz3pp Please tell me you're an educator, or a writer of some sort!
And this all is firmly why I believe the government should have absolutely no say in any sort of marriage
@@whatthefuckiswater2055I'm in the camp that says the government messes up almost everything they touch. I really think the US government needs a do-over and reset everything, including some of the laws.
Imagine being so good at drawing that your art made with your non dominant hand impressed the bosses so much they paid the artist they thought did it more than what you were making drawing with your dominant hand.
Ken Anderson was a brilliant artist.
@@disneycicerone I'm confused how they kept that ruse up though. Did he always do the work she was credited with or was she a skilled artist too? Cuz if she was skilled, why not submit her own work, but if she wasn't, how could they maintain his skill level for her work without him doing double the work and nobody catching on that she couldn't do it?
@@emilywforrealthis confused me too
@@emilywforrealyeah me too. I had to go back a couple times thinking I miss hear it.
@@emilywforrealaccording to another post’s reply, she became an inker! So basically just going over the lines of the previous draft, making sure the final lines were clean, uniform (or weighted accordingly) and ready for color (if there was any to add)
"Honey, I love you very much, let's do something illegal" is absolute dedication! I'm glad that they looked back on that time fondly knowing they power-coupled so hard and nobody found out
And these days most working families need 2 people having income just to make ends meet.
Hell, now you need two incomes to make ends meet without kids
Almost like those laws actually were beneficial and prevented halving the value of labor and exploiting women's labor when they are statistically responsible for domestic labor as well. It was almost like Women weren't oppressed but protected from a far worse fate than being a housewife.
The illusion of a single family income was for the wealthy and only became popularized amongst the general public in the 50s. Both people have always worked unless they were people of much means.
@@kimmiewise1044so you're biased, okay
@@kimmiewise1044shut the hell up. You should glad feminists fought for womens right to work. If we couldnt have jobs we would be forced to be mens slaves.
Just because something is illegal, does not mean it is wrong. Just because something is legal, does not mean it is right. Morality and law do not always align.
If it’s illegal it’s wrong.
@@candaceroberts3238 So you’re agreeing with that law and the logic behind it?
@@candaceroberts3238No. In some places things you don't see as wrong are illegal. In some places for some people just existing is illegal. So, no, it isn't that simple. Sometimes a perfectly normal and healthy thing is illegal just because some ignorant people with power decided it would be.
Like taxation. It's an evil infringement of basic human rights, and yet still legal.
@@candaceroberts3238wrong.
"One may ask: 'How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?' The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust.
A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of Harmony with the moral law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. “
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr in a Letter from Birmingham Jail.
Am I the only one amazed this dude drew with his LEFT HAND? Not just that but it was that good his wife got paid more than he did??
Yes Ken Anderson was a brilliant artist.
And yet the video shows a man drawing with his right hand, go figure.
Perhaps he was ambidextrous? Some people are
@@zuzuspetals9281 Come on now...there's no footage of him actually doing the left handed drawing
The left hand drawing was just a cover for his wife's drawing
"OH NO. We are in a major economic disaster." "I KNOW! Let's reduce the potential workforce by half!"
Cause that NEVER has disastrous economic impacts. 😂
It was to give try to give every family a chance. If women were working then that would potentially be taking a job away from a man that needs to support a family...
It does seem silly, but there was a severe job shortage during the depression. The government even had to "make up" jobs for people to find employment, the "Alphabet Soup" jobs which were acronyms for people to work fixing national parks, building fences, pathways, etc. That government program actually faced a lot of backlash, even though it helped create jobs, because people thought they were supporting communism by taking those jobs. Very interesting times.
@@melissaann513As opposed to a woman who doesn't need to support her family? As someone who grew up with a stay at home dad and a breadwinner mom the idea only men can support a family has always seemed quite strange to me. Also what if the husband had a disability that prevented him from working, or prior to the great depression the wife was making more money?
@@melissaann513Some people get paid more in 1 month than others in a year. If it was about "giving every family unit a chance", they would increase taxes for wealthy people and distribute it to those with low income either directly or indirectly [like financing training programs that would make them more desirable in the workforce]. It wasn't about that; it was about putting a leash on women. A woman can't leave her neglectful or mistreating "partner" if she can't even afford to feed herself.
Just wanted to throw out there that very poor women have always worked, they just couldn't get the good jobs. They did things like be maids and do laundry.
It was always known that women worked? It was just ignored and not spoken of, because if you were a woman who was working, then you were either thought to be a spinster and unmarriable, or people thought your man was pathetic and couldn't support a family on his wage alone. Society likes to forget that it was really only privileged women that could afford to not work. **stage whisper** _We don't talk about the Lower Classes!_
@alexisgrunden1556 You forgot they unjustly thought of her as a hooker
It annoys me when older people will say “the job shortage wouldn’t be a problem if married women would quit their jobs” completely forgetting that they ruined the economy so badly that to even afford to rent a decent home both members of the couple have to work
Oooo this is going to be controversial, but women working didn't cause the non shortage but it did the beginning of wage stagnation. As it became more normal for married women to work, it took the pressure off companies to give decent wage increases since they knew that men were not solely responsible for all of the income. Thus, even though homes were dual income, the household income was not increasing at the same rate.
Does it ever occur to anyone that we have all been manipulated by the upper class to blame each other, instead of rightfully blaming the upper class for shortchanging our wages? Nearly everyone, used to be farmers, so, with the exception of the wealthy, everybody worked. Including children. The idea that women haven't worked until recently, is bunk.
Women worked the jobs that men did while men were away for WWII. They did the exact same jobs.
When men came back, the women were fired on mass to re-employ the men. And that is where the fantasy of women staying home began.
@@ladywolfwolf In America, the upper class is ever changing. People move into and out of it all the time, and a great many people born into the poor or working classes become middle and upper class in their lives. Theory written by Europeans (or based on European thought) rarely translates well to America because of our class mobility.
It's not the job shortage people are concerned about, but the wages. When you double the possible workforce over a short period of time, you have more people competing for your jobs, and can offer lower compensation and fewer benefits as a result. Each married couple also then has to add the not-insignificant cost of childcare to their household expenses, as well.
If married women hadn't entered the mainstream workforce (and marriage trends had continued), it wouldn't require two incomes to rent a decent home. The conversation about whether it's _morally right_ that married women work and whether it's _best for the economy_ that married women work are separate conversations.
Fun facts! Women at Disney (Post-Walt era I think) were relagated to grunt work most of the time, and most of them were paid less than their male counterparts they were usually inbetweeners
When Don Bluth (responsible for half your childhood and you may not even know it!) split to form his own studio, he actually made a point to hire female animators, as he thought they were an under-appreciated member of the work force!
My source is Don Bluth's autobiography, "Somewhere Out There" and I emplore every Disney fan to read/listen to his book, because there's so much insight on what it was like to work for Disney during and after Walt's life. Plus, it's an amazing look into Don Bluth's life, who is probably one of the most wholesome people I've ever met in my life! (yes, I met him ;w;)
Didn't he do Anastasia, The Swan Princess and Quest for Camelot? I swear I saw his name attached to those movies... I wanna say Balto was another Don Bluth movie... But I could be wrong.
@@MissMausoleum Anastasia, yes! The rest of those movies, no, but those are all great nostalgic works!
He's responsible for The Secret of NIMH, The Land Before Time, All Dogs Go to Heaven, Rock-a-Doodle, A Troll in Central Park, The Pebble and the Penguin, and Anastasia.
He worked on a bunch of Disney Movies before he split as well! Robin Hood, The Rescuers, Sword in the Stone, Fox and the Hound, and Sleeping Beauty. fun fact, Sleeping Beauty was his first! He was 18 and an inbetweener, and according to his book, his very first inbetween was accepted as part of the film, and he was amazed that his mentor thought his very first drawing was good enough to be in the film.
When I met him at a convention, he had a panel taking Q&A, and he was asked about The Rescuers and a certain scandal involving one frame of animation (look it up if you have no idea XD it's a famous scandal) and Don Bluth was in the hot seat for that film. He had this... Look on his face of mild amusement and said "I don't know what you're talking about" as the whole room erupted in laughter. After listening to his book, that moment made everything funnier because of how much of a wholesome guy he is. He never mentioned the scandal in his book, but when he was working on that project, he was forced into the director's role, and he didn't want to be, his passion was being an animator, so the whole project was a work of stress for him
He did Thumbelina, right?
@@mamaseesa3122 Goodness! I thought I was forgetting one!
Yes! :D
Oh! And An American Tale!! :'D
Such a sweet story. Bet that Ken's coworkers were surprised when they found out!
He probably didn't tell his coworkers otherwise Ken would get fired
@@tetosbiggestfanAt one point after retirement he might have, it's not like those workers will go and tell after years.
They wouldn't have done anything about it given how much time passed and he already retired even if he told them, and in case Disney wanted to they just couldn't given if they wanted to fire him and her they couldn't as they already retired.
@@cheese-and-ricemooney7487fair
my grandma lost her job as a teacher when she got married. When the laws changed, she immediately applied again and eventually became a head teacher.
Seems absolutely insane.
I am happy to hear she became a head teacher. She ended up not letting it beat her! Go grandma!🎉❤🎉
Yes what a stupid law!
Yeah, my mom apparently had to end her teaching career when she married because she was forced to change her surname. She changed it right back and went right back to teaching. She retired about 20 years later when I was in my second year of uni. This was in apartheid South Africa though, and my family is coloured. Oh also basing this off memory of something she mentioned when I was in high school or late primary school over a decade ago.
@@adrianmcbride1666huh! Interesting! I think I’ll have to ask my mom about that too. Didn’t know this also occurred here.
It is insane.
How did she stay hired if he did the art that got her hired? Did she learn to draw or did he do the workload of two people?
She learned how to become an inker, which is basically tracing the lines of others.
@@disneycicerone cool. Thank you for answering.
@@disneyciceroneooo nice
A friend lived through the Great Depression and said she always had to use her maiden name when she was working. She was marine combat nurse and every time someone asked why she wasn’t married she would claim she had a long distance relationship with a military man and neither wanted to marry until the threat of war was gone. Not a complete lie as her husband was an army guy but she did tell close friends in the service and when ppl asked her husband why he wasn’t married he said he was and she was a stay at home wife working on a school degree. They were sneaky about it until after the war because they both knew they would get in trouble if family members on both sides knew they were in the military. One of her sisters will still bring it up to this day saying all kinds of nasty things about her military service and how she was a terrible person for not getting rid of her broken son (he was mentally challenged). It always ends in fights between the sisters. Sad what happened way back when that we look at now and go why for what reason?
UMMMM I DO NOT WANNA GO BACK TO THE 1930’s
Same 😂
1930's fashion, architecture, and art are great
Laws ...not so much
I don't know man. I'm tired of working 😩😂
@@AmazinGraceXOXO1 House work is still a work, you just not going to get paid for that
@@Aliens420 exactly
I LOVE this! You still have men belittling women in 2024 but in 1930 you have a man helping his wife get a job even though it's illegal! That man is one hell of a human and his memory needs to be cherished and told to kids everywhere ❤️
Yeah but they shared the money so it sounds kind of obvious to me that he'd get her a job.
There were a ton of men back then belittling women too and there are men today who cherish their wives as well.
There are good men and bad men at all times, you just need to look at the correct place
In times of extreme necessity some laws have to limit what you can do. No one seems to care that men were forced to fight in wars in times of emergencuy, so why shouldn't women face the same responsibilities towards society? If you shouldn't be working and the State determines your place is best somewhere else for society, that's that.
Lol, love the music from a broadway about a heroin who’s a cheating murderer in the background while talking about a husband who supported his wife working 😂
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Tomorrow night is opening night for my schools performance of Chicago teen and I've heard the music so much that I didn't even realize it was playing at first
I think you mean heroine not heroin lol. Quite a bug difference there
@@beetlebuggiesoh my gods same well we have two months til show and it’s a mess and I’ll probably traumatized because of Roxie by the end of this just like NYC when we did Annie jr. last year
@@kotlcbooknerd885 stoppp I'm curious though... what's your role??
Imagine all the boys trying to flirt with her at the studio with the husband just chuckling since he knows they'll never have a chance.
My great grandmother could have drawn for Disney but her husband at the time wanted her to stay at home and watch the kids while he worked(they had about 6 kids). I always think about how amazing it would have been to see her art in Disney movies, as I’m a huge fan of older ones like that
"Her husband wanted" 🙄
Dark times when wife and slave were synonyms.
@@anonymousa.9094do i smell a feminist?
It's giving that NASA couple that both went to space despite that being illegal ❤
When was that?
VERY inspiring story ... thank you, Kate 🎉
🥰🥰
Where are the many men out there preaching women have always been treated equally....
Where are the women out there acknowledging that this man worked twice as hard so his wife could receive pay she did not earn?
They were treated equally. A man's rights were never respected -- i.e. the draft -- just so women wouldn't have to be the ones to go off to war. Society requires you to sacrifice things, so men were forced to fight in wars and women were forced to not have jobs. Boo hoo, cry me a river.
Married Woman not being allowed to work that’s a piece of bull crap, well at least it’s legal now
In the immortal words of Chuck Dickens, "The law is an ass!" 🤣
Very accurate indeed.
My grandmother got a divorce in 1927. She got a job at the telephone company and worked there till 1970. The other grandmother ran a farm till it was sold. Then she ran 2 hotels by herself while my grandfather drank and chased women 🙄
They were like Bonnie and Clyde, but without the murder.
2006. My husband and I worked at the same company. According to company rules, if we wanted to date one of us would have to quit.
We got married in 2008. They eventually did find out in 2012 when they closed the plant. 😂
@jackdar1iipper there were quite a few families that worked there. The issue was, I was his direct supervisor.
@@socalgal714As it should be. Ha, ha.
That was a real supportive husband who knew about the injustice and bs women had to deal with.
Not injustice. In a state of emergency the government needs to restrict people's freedom to get things done, just like how men get drafted during war time. Don't like it? Don't live in society.
Gotta respect the couple's hustle.
The Great Depression is a reason that women started working, but I mostly was because the men were getting drafted in WW2 and they needed workers
More like started legaly working and getting paid for it. Women always worked, even more than men, but weren't acknowledged and didn't receive the benefits that working men did.
I am in love with this story. Now that's a husband and what a cool power couple story!
"No one ever found out-" Then how are you telling me 😭
They shared the story themselves
No one at their work found out, Ken chose to tell the story years later.
i was expecting you to say they got freaky on the disney train but i like this story a lot better
THE DUCKLINGS??? DID NO ONE SEE THEM???
I did 🥰
But it's important to point it out that black and latino women always worked 😅
@@jackdar1iipperNo Black women and Latinas were employed, just mostly as domestic workers with VERY terrible pay.
@@justniquol8972
Kind of like now.
At its height in the 1940s only 47% of married women actually stayed home.
Well that was during the war. All the men were off fighting.
@@pcbassoon3892 you don’t understand the word height apparently. There has never in modern American history been a time where more than 47% of married women stayed home.
@@bradhart2yep. It’s like some people forget that working class women exist.
$3 back then is $53.50 now
I draw with my non-dominant hand sometimes, it's actually really interesting to see how your skills translate despite not practicing with that side.
I work at Universal Studios Hollywood, there's a former Disney animator who worked on the Fox and the Hound,He would tell me stories about working in the Disney studio and also stories he heard about from veteran animators.
He even said the Disney Male Animators breakroom had more stuff than the female.
The females complained about it, so they made a unisex breakroom and all the good things were taken away. Even had a Story about Walt Disney and the NAACP visiting the studio to see if the studio was following the rules, but that's another story for another day.
Though, i never heard of this story.
I would love to stay home to care for my husband and children. I guess im a loser. I have worked since I was 16, and i have made my own way in life, but there is something so rewarding to care for your family, as long as they appreciate you.
No one is insinuating anything like that. If you're happy and fulfilled being a wife and mother, that's fantastic. And yeah, it's a big issue that families no longer have the option to live off of a single income. The point is that we need to protect a woman's right to choose whatever path she wishes to take in life. For some women, that might not mean getting married or having kids, or it might mean getting married and having kids while continuing to work. Feminism means defending the right of a woman to live the way she wants.
@@nox6767 Very well written! I am a feminist at for sure. 🎉❤🎉
@@jackdar1iipperThank you for being a voice of reason! Sadly delusion is too popular. It is ok to daydream as long as fantasy is acknowledged as that. Getting under a man's thumb is one of the most foolish things a woman can do. Relationship smother and makes the woman extremely vulnerable.
@@nox6767Cool, and why should I care about that when you don't care about defending men's rights to live how they want?
They deserve a medal of honor for having the balls to do this
That was a smart move, especially during the depression. They figured out how to pull in a double income. I wish my grandparents could have done something like that.
Why was all that jazz playing? I’m trying to learn about this couple when Velma keeps telling my to bunny hug!
Man, I thought she was gonna say $3 a week and leave it at that
Imagined how many domestic abuse and cheaters in that era that leaves a mother hopeless
That story is actually beautiful ❤
What a wonderful couple ❤️❤️❤️
rest of their marriage... i got what you are putting down
Im sure there are _lots_ of married couples who have done illegal things at disney haha
I'm here to say yes. Yes there are. I used to live in Orlando and sometimes we did work for Sea World and a few Disney jobs. So, yes. 😁🤫😎
The fact that you show Roger and anita , the happiest couple that has ever been shown in a disney movie during their most happiest moments really shows you know the kind of happiness those two animators felt. I can imagine when they got home after work. They would start to dance and sing and cheer that they got away With their little scam every single time and nobody got hurt. Nobody lost money that Anybody gained. It was simply that a husband and wife got to have fun working together.
I loved hearing all that jazz from Chicago cause I was in Chicago recently and had a lot of fun and made a ton of friends.made some great memories thanks so much
I didn't know that. Why do laws ALWAYS go after women?
Honestly, I do wonder if they want women to stop working to not only control them but to keep a lot of low income and middle income couples in their tax bracket. Aristocrats don’t want the common man to gain wealth
Patriarchy.
Because men do them
Can't trust anyone else to raise children. Most men are useless
Cuz men like to be controlling
That's super cute
That's what I call true love
thats actually a great disney story
Real shit though, I’d be totally fine if we went back to one party being responsible for the home, just without defining which gender it should be. Trying to maintain a household while working full-time is awful and I don’t even have kids yet. I wonder if we’ll ever get back to the average American income comfortably supporting a family.
As someone who was a SAHM for 10 years, it’s a tough gig. But I’m glad I did it.
One party would have to obtain a high enough paying job which would indicate the couple is a wealthy (or wealthy enough) couple. The top 10% don’t want the average American to become that wealthy. They want us to stay poor and generating their wealth.
Assuming that's what both of them want and they don't both want to work outside of the home. But yeah, it would be great if single income households became a viable option again, not just for the wealthy
That's never going to be that way again. In fact, they'll have to amend the laws and allow marriage between three people just so the average family household can make rent and still have money for groceries in the future.
It is also possible for both parties to work *as long as* they both help with the household and kids
Green flag
How did she work there for three years if it wasn't even her who was making the art, the higher ups at disney were clowning 💀
She worked as an inker in ink and paint. Basically tracing the lines of other animators, not too much personal artistic ability required.
@@disneycicerone Ohhhh, that makes sense
Rebels with a cause
Ken is cheating on Barbie with.....A POLLY POCKET?!
I'd like to mention that she likely didn't have children. Many poor people also would have more reason to leave their children to be raised by strangers while they work, or hopefully raised by family/friends. Sometimes the kids even had jobs in that era.
My great nonna was a caretaker for several neighborhood kids with another girl, at age 11. Her sisters and brothers that were just slightly older worked in factories, until lucky enough to get work in a grocery store etc. When the great depression was over she was able to attend school where she met her husband and then stayed home to parent her child and look after their home. She felt very blessed to be able to do that. ❤
Most mothers valued their family so much that career meant little. Until public k-12 became the norm for middle class and media, the drug era etc was reinforcing the idea that there should be two working parents in the home. (More tax payers! Yay!) The economy actually started to fall at that point because the wealthy could easily adjust to expecting people to pay more for merchandise vs the previous average of income per household.
That's why it was so different a few generations ago, when most families even of various races, could afford a house, a car, to make do or better on one income with 2-3 kids in tow.
She quit working at Disney when she had her first child, so yes, she was child-free at that time.
My grandparents eloped for this very reason, so she could keep her job.
I love "All that Jazz" playing in the background of a video about Disney in the 30s
And some people still want to dress up and pretend like they live in the good old days before women could vote 😂
As someone who loves historic fashion, liking a certain style of clothing from the past doesn't mean we agree on the political or social views of that time. You can like certain aspects of a time period and not agree with what people believed then. As an example, I love Medieval and Victorian clothing. But I am also a spoken out working woman. I'd even argue that one could even enjoy activities or the daily life of someone from that time period and still not agree with views from that time.
@@jezikerr3720 I think you are right about being able to like the look or aspects but for the people that want to live that day to day life, I think it means a little more
@kieth1284 I know of many historical reenactors and faire workers that may disagree. Some people like the simplicity of the routine or the novelty of the change. It doesn't mean you have to embody every single aspect of the period's culture. Just because you like the Renaissance faire doesn't mean you don't enjoy indoor plumbing.
It seems more peaceful it’s interesting the rise in how many people are like why did we fight for this my life is hell
just bc they like the fashion doesn't mean they want to live in that time
Now THIS story would make a good Disney movie!
Anderson and Polly double dipped on disney😂❤
That’s so fun. Honestly they must’ve loved each other
A lot ..
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I've been waiting to hear about my cousin Ken and Polly 💖 I watch a lot of Disney content and nobody talks about them. Hehe. You just made me burst out in happiness. Thank you so much 💖 they were amazing people and I have some fun stories about them.
Fun little fact is that Ken was extremely close friends with both Walt and Roy so there's nothing that would have made them lose their jobs... Ken worked for Disney for a staggeringly long time. He designed Maleficent and her dragon, Sleeping Beauty's Castle and even our boy Elliot the dragon.. another fun fact is the three fairies in SB are based upon my great grandmother and her two sisters, despite what other sources will tell you.
You gotta make that bread one way or another
(Gets ready for scandals but is surprised by wholesome) ❤
Now that is a Disney Movie i want to see!
Imagine you were sooo talented that you can draw beautifully not only with your right hand but also with your left hand!!
Right?
This is such a sweet story for real 😢❤
In my mom's generation, all female school teachers had to be single. If they dared to get married, they got fired, with no legal recourse available. Male school teachers could be single, or married. It made no difference. When I was in public school, female school teachers could be single or married. It took a mere 25 years for the "new normal" to take hold.
The bosses knew that men wouldn't do any work around the home. The woman was always the one forced into it.
It, unfortunately, made sense.
This is an amazing story! Things were so different back then. Even though women had earned the right to vote in 1920, apparently, once the Great Depression had hit, they were back to not being respected. Plus, animation studios didn’t have a lot of women on staff, back in those days, so it was really impressive that he was able to get her hired as an animator.
She was hired for ink and paint, as an inker. She just needed some samples of her work to prove she could handle the work
Good for them.
The fucked up thingnis that it still goes on today. If you're married, you're not allowed to have ANY government or state assistance because the household is considered to make too much money together. Yet you HAVE to BOTH work to make ends meet... so which is it...
It depends upon how much money you make. Not if you're married and together.
yeah but what I'm saying is you're still considered poor but they wont help you. Its the stupid red tape that makes zero sense, you're low income but you get receive help@@ladywolfwolf
It honestly sounds a bit like something my dad would’ve done for my mom, just so she could stay doing the job she loved.
Aw I love that 🥰
My grandmothers were working as a night-office cleaner (with a number of friends), and on a factory conveyor belt picking off broken cookies, respectively. Not sure how many pregnancies the cleaning job cost my paternal grandmother, but it was more than a couple. Maternal grandmother wasn’t supposed to have to work, but people generally fail to consider the instances when the husband is rendered unable (temporarily or permanently). And then they were also raising 6 and 4 kids respectively. I was raised Catholic, and I retain some habits, but I wind up praying to my grandmothers rather than saints. 🤷♀️
Rampaging heretic, me!
The support and secret they shared awesome.
He did that for her...True Love
Prior to World War 2, there was rarely a need for both spouses to work as the cost of living was low. A house usually sold for the average individual's annual income versus today where it can be 8 times the annual income. On the other side of the coin, running a household was a full-time occupation. Washing clothes were still done by hand in many households while drying was done on clotheslines. Refridgerators were a luxury with ice boxes common. Parents were more attentive to raising their children, which they had more of back then. As far as the legality of women working, all women were allowed to work and during WW2, women were encouraged to work. Afterwards, many stayed working so they could buy washing machines, dryers, refrigerators, swimming pools, newer cars and bigger houses.
Damn. The guy drew with his non-dominant hand and what resulted was liked more than his normal work.
There’s some kind of joke that could be made here…😂😂😂
Well. They double the tax base. Gov was happy about that.
I want that to be base of a Diseny Film
He went that far for his wife that’s so endearing and to keep that up for 3 years no less
When my grandmother got engaged, my grandfather went to her boss and told him they were getting married soon and he would be supporting her. So my grandma was very surprised when she showed up for work the next day and they told her she was fired. Her wedding was still a couple months away.
Wow!
That was some crazy stuff!
I am glad the law was changed!😊
You said nobody ever found out.... 🤔ummm, then, how do you know about it!? 😂
What a great couple-- supportive
Good for them. F the Government. Live life on your terms!
'Not quite legal.'
"...... Why don't you go ahead and tell me how someone can acquire a 'bit of treason'?!" -Olan Rogers
I feel like secretly working together like that probably strengthened their bond. 😆
Ken Anderson was such a caring person and a keeper 😍❤ She was so lucky to have him ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I remember when a married couple was about to do lines on the mansion.
Now we are expected to work or else we are looked at as lazy. Which is crazy because my previous job was a desk job. I literally would knock it out in 2-3 hours then do my nails and relax. I would cook in a crockpot in the morning and clean up on my lunch break. It was chill af. Now I have 4 kids under 6 it is not a breeze. 😂 but a good schedule makes it manageable.
Good for them. A lot of good things. Were invented or came from thehard work of married women.
Facts. Mary Blair, for instance.
Ok, this story. Is actually magical!
Disney should make one mini series for this couple