dont forget that the 16 inch macbook pros have a very common problem where it might kill its self by randomly sending 13 volts to your nand chips killing it permanently and destroying all your data and there is no way to prevent it
Yeah, I use one at work. I have m3 pro at home. Def take the m3 anyday over the '19 16". Lotta bugs and general slowness on Sonoma, and can't use Ventura because some stuff I use needs Sonoma drivers. M3 runs circles around it, and the keyboard feels better too on the m3 imo
I actually went from a 2019 to a 2023 M3 Max, and at first I liked the look of the new one better, but over time I think the 2019 actually looks better now
Still rocking my 2019 MBP 16 and typing on it now. It feels like a cadillac, still powerful and robust for everything I need. Amazing sound and studio quality mics; great screen for color work; and there's nothing I throw at it that it doesn't run (I even play the Batman Arkhan games, Shadow of Mordor, Tomb Raider and they all look amazing), including tons of open tabs and apps running at the same time. I have been looking for signs that I need to upgrade for years now and I am yet to find a reason to. I am also a lover of the touch bar (context-aware emojis anyone??) and I am almost sure this Macbook will last long enough until Apple goes full circle and brings the touchbar back (so brave)
If it didn't heat up like crazy with jet engine fan sounds and a lower battery life, then it'd be one of the best older laptops for sure! Everything else, I still really love this laptop and for it's price value.
@@DrProductivity It depends on the environ. I was working in this little temp office w/ 4 people, two had these 2019 16"s, and the others had an M1 pro/max. The heat everyone was generating from the gear (production stuff too) really showed the cracks, the 2019s were uncomfortably hot to type on. If you have something to prop it up then you get better air flow, seems to help a lot.
I still run my photography business off one with an i9 and 64Gb of ram. Fan noise aside, this machine still rips compared to even many newer windows laptops. I’ll probably go M series soon but I have no regrets buying this machine new.
i sold my 13" M2 and got a fully loaded one in november last year for $900. basically free upgrade and i consider it better in every metric other than battery life.
I had one of these and switched to a M2 Max 16-inch. The experience is much better over-all. The fans would frequently be on full blast with the machine, the battery life was atrocious, you needed to have dedicated graphics enabled at all times for a smooth UI experience, and the single layer IPS screen was no competition for the mini-LED screens on the newer models. I did find the speakers to sound better than my 16-inch M2 Max though.
I've had this exact one in your video (i9, 5500) with the Touch Bar for several years, it's done me right. I actually love the touch bar! The way it adapted to different apps was/is great. In photoshop I can easily drag for transparency, color gradients etc without using the mouse. It works fantastic for scrubbing video too! The very strange predicament that led me to this video is my startup is paying for a new computer and was researching which new M3 Pro or M3 Pro Max to get and saw this video. I almost want to tell them that I don't need a new machine but that seems insane!! I wish the Touch Bar was not discontinued. :( Anywho, thanks for the video. :)
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
Loving the content! Just a note that the notch makes no difference at all in full screen as the entire bar at the top is fulled in with a black boarder on top of whatever content you're watching. - watching this on a 16" M1 Pro.
Yea that part of the video really confused me. “It gets in the way when watching full screen content” I was like, no it doesn’t, it doesn’t show during full screen
One of these is getting me through my civil engineering PhD program! I bought it early on in my undergrad when it was one year used, and I'll be devastated the day I have to move on from it. The i9 doesn't do much for battery life, but it lets me run simulations, leave everything on and running, and hasn't ever shown signs of slowing down
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
Love the touchbar and the screen looks amazing next to any other laptop, sound is great and if I game i use Nvidia cloud so I do anything I like and it's.great with my home studio for keyboards... Still loving it.
Still rocking one of these in November 2024… have no problems running anything … still debating to upgrade to M4 or not…. This 16inch is great but has a low value to resell.
4:43 I actually disagree with this point, when I owned my 2016 MacBook Pro 15-inch I actually found it to be slower to drag the slider to adjust the volume and brightness rather than quickly press a physical key to do the same thing. The tactile feel of a real button is still better even if the slider may seem simpler, you still have to look down at the slider to make sure you're hitting it, whereas the physical keys on a real function row can be felt out blindly so you don't need to look down at the keys to make sure you're hitting them correctly. When I owned my TouchBar MacBook Pro I had the functions reversed in macOS so that it emulated the function row by default (rather than holding down Fn to get it) since I never found any of the additional functions that useful, and having moved onto the 14" MacBook Pro with no TouchBar it's not something I miss.
@@JackStavris I suppose it’s more a matter of opinion. I’m not too fussed about the Touch Bar, but did prefer it slightly to the keys, and stand by my point, really. Thanks for the comment, anyway, and your opinion is certainly valid.
Yea that crazy heating up was fixed by and update witch undervolted the cpu and changed the fancurve. Mine only really heats up when the room temp is getting high. But I'm also using 2 4k screens.
These things still rip. Got a i9 5500 with 32gb 1tb for $500. Has a 850 cycle battery so it needs to be replaced immediately (in the mail) but is actually holding a charge somehow
I feel bad for people who bought one. Honestly one of the most bafflingly terrible Macs especially in terms of value if you got a higher-spec model. It does look amazing though, and the Touch Bar is super cool if you're just playing around with it. But the return to form with the M1 Pro was just so necessary, and it's what convinced me to pick one up for college.
Great video on this laptop! One of the other benefits is eGPU support. Not only would it help with your gaming benchmarks, but if you wanted to train an LLM locally it is possible using a Radeon Vii or other supported GPU with the 64GB ram configuration of this laptop.
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No joke I bought my base spec 16 1 day before this vid. My first macbook as well 😂
So happy I got mine's around March of this year! 32GB RAM & 1TB SSD for around $580. Have had no issues with it - love the TouchBar, screen is nice and big (no notch) and fully supported for another year of MacOS. I'm getting an Apple Silicon MacBook Air next year, as I do want a modern M-series mac but it won't be replacing this Pro - it'll still be in use as long as it gets security updates.
I still keep using this mbp (i9) as my main computer, I know that in some case processing power arr low that new m chip(I have another 14” m1 pro mbp), I like the the 16” intel mac speaker sound more than m1 14”😅. for normal use it is still an great machine
I really like mine, the heat and fan noise are really starting to get grading though. The 'Intel' slowness is also starting to show more and more lately
I have it and find myself in a tough spot right now. The new 16'' is a lot bulkier and most importantly feels this way too. 2019 MBP feels much thinner. So if I want to upgrade now, I have to either got the 14'', which leaves me with a lot less screen space or Air 15, which is, well, Air.
if you think about it the iPhone 16 Pro Benches Above the M1 in single core and Closes in on the Multicore score of it. So essentially the A18 Pro chip is more powerful than the i9 2019 intel
Context: I'm a Digital Media student who would like to purchase a Macbook Pro as it's the market standard when running any software that I need; i.e. Adobe, 3D rendering, running multiple tabs, etc. Q: Would you recommend this Macbook for my studies or should I go out and spend more on a newer model?
Any chance we can see a video about the much forgotten 2020 13 inch MacBook Pro, specifically the one with 4 thunderbolt ports? It adopted some of the improvements of the superior 16 inch mbp 2019 but came at a bad time and was very awkwardly positioned in the lineup... (definitely not asking because I bought one back then and want to feel better about myself)
I am a 2020 13inch 4tb (not the storage) user since it released. It was such a gem with 10nm 4 core cpu performs nearly same as i9 16, less hot, less noise, 8-10h battery life, gt 1030 equivalent iris gpu. Wish that cpu comes to 16 inches with 5500. If they were offered I wasnt buy 13 inch however because of my hackintosh desktop never worried about much.
I just got this model and came around the killed SSD issue (not happened to me yet). From what I found so far I plan to check the caps C9586/C9588/C9587/C9589/C9591/C9592/C9086/C9087/C9088/C9089/C9091/C9092 and look for any signs of cracks/corrosion. The caps should have 0 ohms and should not overheat when voltage is injected to them. Preventive replacement is the maximum what I suppose I am able to do. Maybe even applying some protection varnish on the contacts to prevent the oxidation.
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
I have a maxed out version of this MBP 16". Bought it to be able to also run Windows (and maybe I did not think that Apple Silicon would be so good). I think it is a really good computer and I still use it (prefer it over a Macbook Air M1). Definitivly much nicer than the Dell Latitude I got from work.
your point of windows laptops sucking in sound quality is pretty much spot on but you should check out some compressions between the newer MacBook airs/ pros and the ROG 2024 zephyrs g14. Its honestly pretty close and probably one of the best sounding laptops in general.
I cross-shopped this to replace my mac pro, and ended up going with an M1 max/64gb/16". The thermals were just too poor for me. I saw these used head to head against the M1 max and M1 Pros in our video department, and for someone who's often working outside, sans air conditioning (it's currently 85º where I am, we don't have A/C in the hangar) I decided to go with the cooler-running M1 despite the 2.3X price tag. I still kind of want one of these though, at $760 for a beat up one I can't help but feel it's going to be a pretty stalwart little unit for years to come, as long as you don't want too much media performance. Good parents' laptop, very refined compared to a crappy Costco Asus at the same pricepoint. The notch thing doesn't bug me at all, it's just a few free rows of pixels. Glass half-full thinking, I guess
I actually had one of these for work, and to be quite honest, I prefer this machine over the new m3 16 inch pro. I mean, I don't miss the poor thermals and battery life, but I actually miss how thin the machine was and I think the build quality on it is actually slightly better than the new M series Pros. My work had optioned a it with a Core i9, and that thing got uncomfortably warm.
I was soo happy when I traded my 16” MBP i9 for a 14” M1 model. Night and day difference. Still have the M1 14” and use it everyday. Best computer I’ve ever owned by far. I don’t have fond memories of the lap burning heat and screaming fans of the Intel.
First MacBook I purchased new. I waited 4 extra weeks of shipping to finally get it. It had a lot of faults. I am glad to move to Apple silicon. Resell value of these was probably worst of any recent pro.
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
Mine's sitting in my bedroom at this very moment; been over a year since I upgraded to Apple Silicon. It was more like a portable nuclear reactor than a computer. Fan constantly firing; CPU constantly hitting 100ºC in my lap. Stopped being all that fast after only a year, the thermal throttling was so bad. Altogether, no thanks. Better than what had come right before, but still the bitter end of a long low point in Apple's product design and engineering. Don't miss it at all.
100% agreed on gaming i literally returned my M2 Max macbook pro 16" because it got like 10fps on the same games i already play on my 2020 16" i9 32gb ram and the 5600m gpu
i remember to got very angry abt the mouse, prob bcs all things happened at the time, 2nd pc was as horrible experience, and i only have good luck outside/ on friends pc
I ordered a 13" 2019 Macbook Pro with the base specs from eBay for around $350... Color me surprised when they accidentally sent the 16" model! I'm not much of an Apple user, and I'm mainly using it to get used to macOS, but I do love how premium it feels while still being very compatible with things I'm used to using due to being Intel-based. Once I need a new laptop, I would honestly be tempted to get an M3 MacBook at some point just because of how much I like the quality, if I weren't already set on getting a Framework laptop instead.
I have 2019 15 MBP - and this "bad" keyboard its pretty great for me. The heating problem has easy solution, just turn off Turbo Boost by app. You loose about 15% of power but temperature downs from 65 to 39 celsius.
Considering one just to maintain support for my Windows VM (VMWare) collection should my old 2012 MBP ever die. Can’t use these on Apple Silicon. And for some reason having challenges dragging some of these over to Workstation on my ThinkPad. Seems only an Intel Mac will suffice.
What about the 2020 iMac? That had support for Comet Lake and Rocket Lake CPUs and upgradeable RAM and CPUs and up to Rx 5700 XT Graphics and room for a second upgradeable SATA SSD
Big fan of the Touch Bar (rocking the m2 13' mbp with one), quite sad it was dropped really. My old intel 16" mbp is still going strong with a family member at least, one of those great mbp's they released.
I paid for this yesterday for 300$ yesterday, after I sold my MacBook Air i5 16gb ram 2020 for 270$. So that’s mean I spend 30$ more to get this. I hope that’s good decision.
I have a 2020 16” MacBook Pro, essentially the same one. Love it still works great, but sometimes runs slow with the amount of stuff i throw at it. Thinking about getting a newer machine and keeping this for travel and on the go work. I do audio production so a lot is required.
Depending on your perspective, Intel Macs might receive software support for a longer period compared to M1 MacBooks. My 2012 MacBook stopped receiving security updates in 2022, which prevented me from updating a browser I needed for an exam. However, when using BootCamp, my Windows 10 installation still receives support until 2025. I would assume that Intel Macs running Windows 11 would get longer support compared to macOS. Of course, the trade-off would be reduced battery life and increased fan noise.
This is gem 💎 productivity device I will buy i9 max version if as much as $699 deal in future This laptop still has 1 more Mac OS update to us and best for dual Boot. I have 2017 MacBook Pro i installed multi Linux and dual boots
im in currently on the market for i9 2.3 ghz 5600m 16gb ram one. only 300 dollars. should i pull the trigger or do i go to 2.4ghz 64gb ram 5600m for 300 more?
I’ve been seeing SOOO MANY videos lately being uploaded on people showing their sheer love towards this very mac. What is this propaganda now that the M4 is launched 😅😂😂
im still thinking of buying it even though the battery life and such cuz i do find some good use in them, like gaming, finally trying a mac, windows side loading too.
It depends on your use case but I would say if you want a poor to okay first experience with Mac get an Intel model, if you want something to blow your mind get Apple Silicon. You can still run Windows via VMware or Parallels and a surprising amount of games will work, I have a base model Air and it runs almost everything I play quite happily.
If someone had to choose a M1 air 256 with 8gb vs something like a 1tb 32gb i7 16" intel Macbook, I would still say the 2019 intel MacBook ASSUMING it has a newer battery and not a very high battery cycle life. People will defend Apple silicon to the death in some circles even if that M1 Air had a broken screen and was dumped in water and had 500 battery cycle. The Intel is still really good, just don't pay too much like USD less than $700ish.
Like I said, all about the use case. If you can only have one computer and you want to experience Mac plus play newer graphics intensive games, the Intel model makes sense. Personally I have an older gaming desktop for demanding games but 99% of my computing and gaming needs are met by a base model M2 Air. As an actual laptop (light, thin, silent, portable, amazing battery life) Apple Silicon crushes anything else on the market in my opinion.
@@TheLime-wd3yuI think it’s kind of a deal where if you’re not sure what to get, get the Apple silicon. The intels are only better in a few niche scenarios, and if you don’t already know you need an intel for what you do, you don’t fall into one of those scenarios
@@digitalmarketinghumans agreed I saw a 2019 for 400 so that's my go to plan if that font work out I might go for a Mac pro 8gb 2020 touchbar model but I'm planning of buying the 2019 has been my dream laptop for some time tbh
I had purchased the Intel MBP with the 5600M and died just under a year later. Motherboard failure was the diagnosis. For a computer that almost cost me $4k was stupid and no the warranty didn’t cover the damage
People are fast to forget how much performance this machine had and that is after the CPU performance stagnation on the market since Sandy Bridge - 8 cores, a desktop-like performance of a GPU, more ram and storage options. It went for half the price where I live of a modern M3 Max being in the same price category. Bigger screen, thicker design, more batteries, new (old) keyboard. You had x2.5 performance over a previous model in all aspects (!) M1 Pro/Max didn't have that over it and I'm comparing the i9 version to a Pro more, because price has shifted and Max versions have more ram by default, so that is a different price\weight category. M2 Pro 3 years later was the first machine to become marginally* faster. *Marginally as in you don't have to compare benchmark numbers to notice it is faster. BUT STILL, encode/decode is SLOWER than i9, issues with external 4k screens etc.
How will coparenting work? Mrs Grohl is basically a trad wife, raising his kids full time in Virginia, presumably giving him a stable home to return to from his tours. If the new kid is in Australia(FF toured there in January 24) and he really intends to raise it, how will he truly be present in the kids life? Or will he just pass through every winter and leave a bag of cash with the mothers lawyers?
I just purchased a 2019, 16', 1TB, 32GB Ram, TouchBar excellent condition model for $600. Its. older but still works really well. I like it!
Where did you get it from??
I bought a new in box for 950 euro. 2019, 16 inch with 2,4 ghz 8-core I9, AMD5500 8Gb, 32gb and 2tb ssd.
Me too! Today lmfao
Hey how's it performance @@QuotesRelatable
dont forget that the 16 inch macbook pros have a very common problem where it might kill its self by randomly sending 13 volts to your nand chips killing it permanently and destroying all your data and there is no way to prevent it
@@processsquid2097 I always forget to mention this. Very true.
true. always do backup via time machine.
this happened to mine
Also with mine the battery will drain completely if it’s unused for over a week
How common is this is there really no way to prevent it ?
Are we really looking back on this laptop fondly? I had it. It wasn't good.
Exactly, it has so many engineered faults. I picked this laptop to use at work because I knew it'd die on me... And the first one did, dead SSD :)
this lmfao this laptop sucked so much lmao
I *have* it and hate it. Waiting on an M4 to replace it. I genuinely wish I had waited and gotten an M1.
i know i will (using it right now)
@@kenzie2191me too. i should have wait. paid so much but…😢
watching on my m3 max macbook pro , and for some reason i still want one of these
I bought my 2019 16" MacBook Pro even though I have an M3 MacBook Pro. It's just so slick!
Ya better in gaming,what a shame Apple .
It’s sex appeal
Yeah, I use one at work. I have m3 pro at home. Def take the m3 anyday over the '19 16". Lotta bugs and general slowness on Sonoma, and can't use Ventura because some stuff I use needs Sonoma drivers. M3 runs circles around it, and the keyboard feels better too on the m3 imo
I actually went from a 2019 to a 2023 M3 Max, and at first I liked the look of the new one better, but over time I think the 2019 actually looks better now
Still rocking my 2019 MBP 16 and typing on it now. It feels like a cadillac, still powerful and robust for everything I need. Amazing sound and studio quality mics; great screen for color work; and there's nothing I throw at it that it doesn't run (I even play the Batman Arkhan games, Shadow of Mordor, Tomb Raider and they all look amazing), including tons of open tabs and apps running at the same time. I have been looking for signs that I need to upgrade for years now and I am yet to find a reason to. I am also a lover of the touch bar (context-aware emojis anyone??) and I am almost sure this Macbook will last long enough until Apple goes full circle and brings the touchbar back (so brave)
How do you play those games?
@ the ones I mentioned I own through Steam. They all have macOS support (with the exception of the first Arkham game which I play via Parallels)
If it didn't heat up like crazy with jet engine fan sounds and a lower battery life, then it'd be one of the best older laptops for sure!
Everything else, I still really love this laptop and for it's price value.
I exchanged the termal paste, since then I have no issues.
@@DrProductivity It depends on the environ. I was working in this little temp office w/ 4 people, two had these 2019 16"s, and the others had an M1 pro/max. The heat everyone was generating from the gear (production stuff too) really showed the cracks, the 2019s were uncomfortably hot to type on. If you have something to prop it up then you get better air flow, seems to help a lot.
Wrong. a 2011 was way better. those are still running today if you took care of it.
I have it. My M4 Pro MBP arrives on Tuesday and I cant wait. My 2019 (i9, 5500m, 32GB, 1TB) got me through high school like a champ.
I still run my photography business off one with an i9 and 64Gb of ram. Fan noise aside, this machine still rips compared to even many newer windows laptops. I’ll probably go M series soon but I have no regrets buying this machine new.
i sold my 13" M2 and got a fully loaded one in november last year for $900. basically free upgrade and i consider it better in every metric other than battery life.
Me too, I sold my 13” Air 2020 i5 16gb ram for 16” 2019 spend 30$ more to get
I had one of these and switched to a M2 Max 16-inch. The experience is much better over-all. The fans would frequently be on full blast with the machine, the battery life was atrocious, you needed to have dedicated graphics enabled at all times for a smooth UI experience, and the single layer IPS screen was no competition for the mini-LED screens on the newer models. I did find the speakers to sound better than my 16-inch M2 Max though.
I miss the Touch Bar so much, it was perfect for quickly doing spell checks without right clicking and for using recommended emojis 😭
This. Didn’t realize how much I was using it until I switched.
You can press the fn🌐 button after typing a word and recommended emojis will pop up to replace the word if applicable.
I loved the Touch Bar. I wish they would have kept it and just added the function row back
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@@shamsarif8010 I mean I don't want an old one, everything else about the newer MacBook Pros is an upgrade. I just wish they also had a Touch Bar.
The cleaner design language as well.
Just bought a 2019 16inch MacBook Pro 1TB 32gb of Ram for $400 from a friend. Upgraded from the 2012 version.
@@vilchistavo bargain
I've had this exact one in your video (i9, 5500) with the Touch Bar for several years, it's done me right. I actually love the touch bar! The way it adapted to different apps was/is great. In photoshop I can easily drag for transparency, color gradients etc without using the mouse. It works fantastic for scrubbing video too!
The very strange predicament that led me to this video is my startup is paying for a new computer and was researching which new M3 Pro or M3 Pro Max to get and saw this video. I almost want to tell them that I don't need a new machine but that seems insane!! I wish the Touch Bar was not discontinued. :(
Anywho, thanks for the video. :)
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
Loving the content!
Just a note that the notch makes no difference at all in full screen as the entire bar at the top is fulled in with a black boarder on top of whatever content you're watching. - watching this on a 16" M1 Pro.
Yea that part of the video really confused me.
“It gets in the way when watching full screen content”
I was like, no it doesn’t, it doesn’t show during full screen
@@christopherdunye2876 ah, you’re right. Only in the way when the whole screen is full of games etc.. Should have thought my point through more!
One of these is getting me through my civil engineering PhD program! I bought it early on in my undergrad when it was one year used, and I'll be devastated the day I have to move on from it. The i9 doesn't do much for battery life, but it lets me run simulations, leave everything on and running, and hasn't ever shown signs of slowing down
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
Love the touchbar and the screen looks amazing next to any other laptop, sound is great and if I game i use Nvidia cloud so I do anything I like and it's.great with my home studio for keyboards... Still loving it.
Still rocking one of these in November 2024… have no problems running anything … still debating to upgrade to M4 or not…. This 16inch is great but has a low value to resell.
4:43 I actually disagree with this point, when I owned my 2016 MacBook Pro 15-inch I actually found it to be slower to drag the slider to adjust the volume and brightness rather than quickly press a physical key to do the same thing. The tactile feel of a real button is still better even if the slider may seem simpler, you still have to look down at the slider to make sure you're hitting it, whereas the physical keys on a real function row can be felt out blindly so you don't need to look down at the keys to make sure you're hitting them correctly. When I owned my TouchBar MacBook Pro I had the functions reversed in macOS so that it emulated the function row by default (rather than holding down Fn to get it) since I never found any of the additional functions that useful, and having moved onto the 14" MacBook Pro with no TouchBar it's not something I miss.
@@JackStavris I suppose it’s more a matter of opinion. I’m not too fussed about the Touch Bar, but did prefer it slightly to the keys, and stand by my point, really.
Thanks for the comment, anyway, and your opinion is certainly valid.
Yea that crazy heating up was fixed by and update witch undervolted the cpu and changed the fancurve. Mine only really heats up when the room temp is getting high. But I'm also using 2 4k screens.
honestly touchbar was incredible and i could really use one on an m3 or m4 macbook
These things still rip. Got a i9 5500 with 32gb 1tb for $500. Has a 850 cycle battery so it needs to be replaced immediately (in the mail) but is actually holding a charge somehow
mine is still going too, love it so much
Back up your data. These models have a history of sending 56 volts through the CPU and SSD when they fail
@@joseph5900 wow that's wild. mine is apart on the kitchen table ready for the new battery haha
I bought the same A2141 Core i9, 1 TB, 8 GB Radeon, but with 16gb of RAM, 307 charge cycles, for 100 USD at the flea market.
and it is spectacular 😍✨
I feel bad for people who bought one. Honestly one of the most bafflingly terrible Macs especially in terms of value if you got a higher-spec model. It does look amazing though, and the Touch Bar is super cool if you're just playing around with it. But the return to form with the M1 Pro was just so necessary, and it's what convinced me to pick one up for college.
Great video on this laptop! One of the other benefits is eGPU support. Not only would it help with your gaming benchmarks, but if you wanted to train an LLM locally it is possible using a Radeon Vii or other supported GPU with the 64GB ram configuration of this laptop.
No joke I bought my base spec 16 1 day before this vid. My first macbook as well 😂
So happy I got mine's around March of this year! 32GB RAM & 1TB SSD for around $580. Have had no issues with it - love the TouchBar, screen is nice and big (no notch) and fully supported for another year of MacOS. I'm getting an Apple Silicon MacBook Air next year, as I do want a modern M-series mac but it won't be replacing this Pro - it'll still be in use as long as it gets security updates.
I still keep using this mbp (i9) as my main computer, I know that in some case processing power arr low that new m chip(I have another 14” m1 pro mbp), I like the the 16” intel mac speaker sound more than m1 14”😅. for normal use it is still an great machine
watching this rn with the same machine
This aged fast. The new M4 is amazing
Your voice reminds me of the guy in The B1M channel, talking about architecture! nice
I really like mine, the heat and fan noise are really starting to get grading though. The 'Intel' slowness is also starting to show more and more lately
so weird i dont really experience any of those things.. unless im doing heavy editing
I have it and find myself in a tough spot right now. The new 16'' is a lot bulkier and most importantly feels this way too. 2019 MBP feels much thinner. So if I want to upgrade now, I have to either got the 14'', which leaves me with a lot less screen space or Air 15, which is, well, Air.
if you think about it the iPhone 16 Pro Benches Above the M1 in single core and Closes in on the Multicore score of it. So essentially the A18 Pro chip is more powerful than the i9 2019 intel
Thank you as I’m not spending 4000£+ on anything when I can get this i9 64gb ram and 1tb for 800£ THANK YOU
Thank god for that
Context: I'm a Digital Media student who would like to purchase a Macbook Pro as it's the market standard when running any software that I need; i.e. Adobe, 3D rendering, running multiple tabs, etc.
Q: Would you recommend this Macbook for my studies or should I go out and spend more on a newer model?
Any chance we can see a video about the much forgotten 2020 13 inch MacBook Pro, specifically the one with 4 thunderbolt ports? It adopted some of the improvements of the superior 16 inch mbp 2019 but came at a bad time and was very awkwardly positioned in the lineup... (definitely not asking because I bought one back then and want to feel better about myself)
@@gaudam514 I’ll definitely look into making a video about them. I don’t have one to use for footage though, so might be a couple months at least…
I am a 2020 13inch 4tb (not the storage) user since it released. It was such a gem with 10nm 4 core cpu performs nearly same as i9 16, less hot, less noise, 8-10h battery life, gt 1030 equivalent iris gpu. Wish that cpu comes to 16 inches with 5500. If they were offered I wasnt buy 13 inch however because of my hackintosh desktop never worried about much.
I just got this model and came around the killed SSD issue (not happened to me yet).
From what I found so far I plan to check the caps C9586/C9588/C9587/C9589/C9591/C9592/C9086/C9087/C9088/C9089/C9091/C9092 and look for any signs of cracks/corrosion. The caps should have 0 ohms and should not overheat when voltage is injected to them. Preventive replacement is the maximum what I suppose I am able to do. Maybe even applying some protection varnish on the contacts to prevent the oxidation.
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
agree. I am still amazed what i can run on my 16 inch intell❤
I have a maxed out version of this MBP 16". Bought it to be able to also run Windows (and maybe I did not think that Apple Silicon would be so good). I think it is a really good computer and I still use it (prefer it over a Macbook Air M1). Definitivly much nicer than the Dell Latitude I got from work.
your point of windows laptops sucking in sound quality is pretty much spot on but you should check out some compressions between the newer MacBook airs/ pros and the ROG 2024 zephyrs g14. Its honestly pretty close and probably one of the best sounding laptops in general.
I just want them to make a apple silicon 16" with a Touch Bar
still using my 2019 16 inch MBP with i9 and 32GB RAM
Any downside?
@@jaker3079 for me it still runs well
how long do you have it?
I cross-shopped this to replace my mac pro, and ended up going with an M1 max/64gb/16". The thermals were just too poor for me. I saw these used head to head against the M1 max and M1 Pros in our video department, and for someone who's often working outside, sans air conditioning (it's currently 85º where I am, we don't have A/C in the hangar) I decided to go with the cooler-running M1 despite the 2.3X price tag.
I still kind of want one of these though, at $760 for a beat up one I can't help but feel it's going to be a pretty stalwart little unit for years to come, as long as you don't want too much media performance. Good parents' laptop, very refined compared to a crappy Costco Asus at the same pricepoint.
The notch thing doesn't bug me at all, it's just a few free rows of pixels. Glass half-full thinking, I guess
I actually had one of these for work, and to be quite honest, I prefer this machine over the new m3 16 inch pro. I mean, I don't miss the poor thermals and battery life, but I actually miss how thin the machine was and I think the build quality on it is actually slightly better than the new M series Pros. My work had optioned a it with a Core i9, and that thing got uncomfortably warm.
I was soo happy when I traded my 16” MBP i9 for a 14” M1 model.
Night and day difference.
Still have the M1 14” and use it everyday. Best computer I’ve ever owned by far.
I don’t have fond memories of the lap burning heat and screaming fans of the Intel.
First MacBook I purchased new. I waited 4 extra weeks of shipping to finally get it. It had a lot of faults. I am glad to move to Apple silicon. Resell value of these was probably worst of any recent pro.
I still have this I9 model mostly because of bootcamp i still want to keep it because i do some gaming
One thing about owning 16` 2019 is I love how I won't be getting apple intelligence with all the annoying features it has
Hie. I'm considering buying this coz of the size and all. How bad is it actually considering i just wanna use it for office work and web browsing and watching media. Thanks
It was great for managing presentations and content on video conference calls
I’m here from the future to help the algorithm.
@@cmedeir thank you. Did I ever hit 10k subs?
Mine's sitting in my bedroom at this very moment; been over a year since I upgraded to Apple Silicon. It was more like a portable nuclear reactor than a computer. Fan constantly firing; CPU constantly hitting 100ºC in my lap. Stopped being all that fast after only a year, the thermal throttling was so bad. Altogether, no thanks. Better than what had come right before, but still the bitter end of a long low point in Apple's product design and engineering. Don't miss it at all.
100% agreed on gaming i literally returned my M2 Max macbook pro 16" because it got like 10fps on the same games i already play on my 2020 16" i9 32gb ram and the 5600m gpu
i remember to got very angry abt the mouse, prob bcs all things happened at the time, 2nd pc was as horrible experience, and i only have good luck outside/ on friends pc
You can add used eGPU to this i7 5300M and it will be capable of most of the modern games.
I ordered a 13" 2019 Macbook Pro with the base specs from eBay for around $350... Color me surprised when they accidentally sent the 16" model! I'm not much of an Apple user, and I'm mainly using it to get used to macOS, but I do love how premium it feels while still being very compatible with things I'm used to using due to being Intel-based. Once I need a new laptop, I would honestly be tempted to get an M3 MacBook at some point just because of how much I like the quality, if I weren't already set on getting a Framework laptop instead.
I broke my m2 pro MacBook Pro screen and my 2019 16 inch MacBook is saving my life for now haha
I have 2019 15 MBP - and this "bad" keyboard its pretty great for me. The heating problem has easy solution, just turn off Turbo Boost by app. You loose about 15% of power but temperature downs from 65 to 39 celsius.
Considering one just to maintain support for my Windows VM (VMWare) collection should my old 2012 MBP ever die. Can’t use these on Apple Silicon. And for some reason having challenges dragging some of these over to Workstation on my ThinkPad. Seems only an Intel Mac will suffice.
Yes I would get one better sound bigger screen no notch Windows integration
What about the 2020 iMac? That had support for Comet Lake and Rocket Lake CPUs and upgradeable RAM and CPUs and up to Rx 5700 XT Graphics and room for a second upgradeable SATA SSD
That’s definitely worth a video. I rarely talk about iMacs as I haven’t used many, and don’t have the space for one at home. Hopefully soon!
Sadly, my 2019 must be dying. It restarts 4 times a day. The hard drive must be going.
oh no
Is the 13inch 2019 MacBook Pro just as good?
16 gb ram and 256gb i7
@@beastvick apologies for late reply, but no, the 13 inches have weaker everything really.
That's a good thing. Butterfly keyboard piece of junk. That was a terrible time for macbooks.
Would this laptop be good for fl studio and is 900/1000 cad reasonable price wise?
It would run that fine, but that price is a bit much probably.
@@montaguebarnabasltd so with Canadian currency what’s a good price like 800?
Big fan of the Touch Bar (rocking the m2 13' mbp with one), quite sad it was dropped really. My old intel 16" mbp is still going strong with a family member at least, one of those great mbp's they released.
I paid for this yesterday for 300$ yesterday, after I sold my MacBook Air i5 16gb ram 2020 for 270$. So that’s mean I spend 30$ more to get this. I hope that’s good decision.
why did you not clean the screen before taping this video. So many fingerprints on the screen, looked horrible.
@@accesswireless189 cheers mate!
I think the fact that there will never be another is a good thing. The 2016-2020 MacBook Pros were horrible.
I have a 2020 16” MacBook Pro, essentially the same one. Love it still works great, but sometimes runs slow with the amount of stuff i throw at it. Thinking about getting a newer machine and keeping this for travel and on the go work. I do audio production so a lot is required.
Depending on your perspective, Intel Macs might receive software support for a longer period compared to M1 MacBooks. My 2012 MacBook stopped receiving security updates in 2022, which prevented me from updating a browser I needed for an exam. However, when using BootCamp, my Windows 10 installation still receives support until 2025. I would assume that Intel Macs running Windows 11 would get longer support compared to macOS. Of course, the trade-off would be reduced battery life and increased fan noise.
Nope
We want touch bar back. At least make it "optional.."
anything i did there basically nonexistent lol
the struggle to even own those were the toughest challenge, yet just as previous pcs, didnt even last a year
This is gem 💎 productivity device
I will buy i9 max version if as much as $699 deal in future
This laptop still has 1 more Mac OS update to us and best for dual Boot.
I have 2017 MacBook Pro i installed multi Linux and dual boots
im in currently on the market for i9 2.3 ghz 5600m 16gb ram one. only 300 dollars. should i pull the trigger or do i go to 2.4ghz 64gb ram 5600m for 300 more?
I’ve been seeing SOOO MANY videos lately being uploaded on people showing their sheer love towards this very mac. What is this propaganda now that the M4 is launched 😅😂😂
im still thinking of buying it even though the battery life and such cuz i do find some good use in them, like gaming, finally trying a mac, windows side loading too.
It depends on your use case but I would say if you want a poor to okay first experience with Mac get an Intel model, if you want something to blow your mind get Apple Silicon.
You can still run Windows via VMware or Parallels and a surprising amount of games will work, I have a base model Air and it runs almost everything I play quite happily.
If someone had to choose a M1 air 256 with 8gb vs something like a 1tb 32gb i7 16" intel Macbook, I would still say the 2019 intel MacBook ASSUMING it has a newer battery and not a very high battery cycle life.
People will defend Apple silicon to the death in some circles even if that M1 Air had a broken screen and was dumped in water and had 500 battery cycle.
The Intel is still really good, just don't pay too much like USD less than $700ish.
Like I said, all about the use case. If you can only have one computer and you want to experience Mac plus play newer graphics intensive games, the Intel model makes sense.
Personally I have an older gaming desktop for demanding games but 99% of my computing and gaming needs are met by a base model M2 Air. As an actual laptop (light, thin, silent, portable, amazing battery life) Apple Silicon crushes anything else on the market in my opinion.
@@TheLime-wd3yuI think it’s kind of a deal where if you’re not sure what to get, get the Apple silicon.
The intels are only better in a few niche scenarios, and if you don’t already know you need an intel for what you do, you don’t fall into one of those scenarios
@@digitalmarketinghumans agreed I saw a 2019 for 400 so that's my go to plan if that font work out I might go for a Mac pro 8gb 2020 touchbar model but I'm planning of buying the 2019 has been my dream laptop for some time tbh
I had purchased the Intel MBP with the 5600M and died just under a year later. Motherboard failure was the diagnosis. For a computer that almost cost me $4k was stupid and no the warranty didn’t cover the damage
Yep. I know about that issue
they should bring the touch bar bag but put it upper the F keys, power button and escape button honestly
GOOD. The keyboards suck.
People are fast to forget how much performance this machine had and that is after the CPU performance stagnation on the market since Sandy Bridge - 8 cores, a desktop-like performance of a GPU, more ram and storage options. It went for half the price where I live of a modern M3 Max being in the same price category. Bigger screen, thicker design, more batteries, new (old) keyboard. You had x2.5 performance over a previous model in all aspects (!) M1 Pro/Max didn't have that over it and I'm comparing the i9 version to a Pro more, because price has shifted and Max versions have more ram by default, so that is a different price\weight category. M2 Pro 3 years later was the first machine to become marginally* faster. *Marginally as in you don't have to compare benchmark numbers to notice it is faster. BUT STILL, encode/decode is SLOWER than i9, issues with external 4k screens etc.
its how human beings are, we working to get better quality of life, better things in life
How will coparenting work?
Mrs Grohl is basically a trad wife, raising his kids full time in Virginia, presumably giving him a stable home to return to from his tours.
If the new kid is in Australia(FF toured there in January 24) and he really intends to raise it, how will he truly be present in the kids life?
Or will he just pass through every winter and leave a bag of cash with the mothers lawyers?
What