Does bike weight matter?
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Stop whinning! This is not exactly accurate, but its a good guide.
Surprised at any results?
Weigh your own bike and write it in the comments. Maybe we can make a huge list of the real weights of bikes!
T7 has 0L and 15L
790 has 15L
AT has 12L
1190 has 0L and 6L
1200GS has 10L
WR250 has 9L
690RR has 0L
Great video. Of course it all depends on how hot it is and how many times you have to pick it up. I have seen it become a vicious circle with the big bikes. You drop it, pick it up, you are winded so you drop it again and so on. Even on smaller bikes we always try to have someone help. Our crew is getting older and backs aren't what they used to be.
I can hear a lot of old man grunting noises in a lot of garages around the world right now.
And now thousands of adv riders around the globe are heading out to the garage with a bathroom scale under their arm...
And tomorrow there will be thousands of angry wives!
@@Nerb1 Prediction - panic buying bathroom scales begins - PS going to Kmart NOW!
Excellent vid Nerb.. just weighed my KTM 500 EXC, with 13L fuel in the tank. with the 'bar on a milk crate like your experiments, 47.5kg. With the 'bar on the ground, 56.3kg.
once you reach 200kg bikes you don't need a scale. just try to lift it without using the handlebars and you'll be there all day(at least if you're a skinny shit like me, lol).
@@gbner9991 did..did you even watch the video above? That's the whole point of the vid.
Yeah nice one Keith Jobson with a dirt bike we can lay it right over.... going to do that...
Ha, I was hoping you'd do this after remembering your old video weighing the 1190. All I can say is (as a skinny guy who can deadlift 100kg/225lbs for 5x5 on a good day), lifting my 1190r left me absolutely gasping, and worried I couldn't manage it if she fell in a slightly awkard spot. By contrast when I dropped my T7 for the first time, she was straight up and I didn't even feel out of breath. Game changer if you ride on your own. I actually felt your test goes easy on the 1190 as I think the hard parts were further off the floor during weighing - the effort needed to lift ramps up so quickly in those last few centimetres. That's why the beemer seems so relatively light when actually fallen over, because the pots hold it up - they were very close to the floor on your jackstand weigh machine, meaning you were getting much closer to an actual lift-it-off-floor scenario than with the the parallel / Vtwin bikes.
Thank you! Great, I have looked long for such a weight comparison on the handle when lifting. Nice job 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The other advantage of lighter bikes that you didn't mention is they are much easier to control in difficult conditions, which means you drop them less. It's a win-win!
Great stuff....wouldn’t it be helpful if manufacturers published this standardised bar end ‘lie down’ weight in their bike specifications !
It matters when you are stuck half way up a wet climb and it falls over opposite camber 😂 dragging is the only option lol
A 250kg R100GS PD is easier to pick up that most other big adv bikes due to the sticky out cylinders. The hard work, getting the bike the first 6 inches off the ground, is already done for you due to the bike pivoting on the cylinders.
After the first 6 inches, the bike is still heavier.
@@Nerb1 It is and i don't understand the physics of it but practical experience of falling off my GS PD and 950 Adventure many times is that the GS is way easier to pick up.
@@eddiesrandomstuff547 it is the position of your body, the further down you need to go the more strength required for the lift
I was wondering when you were going to put this video together and I think you did a great job. Yes, not an exact science but I think you're not far off. Well done mate.
That's one great test! Why no one else thought of it?
Guarantee the 790 is much more if the bars are on the ground. It looks like the 790 would go over center with the fuel tank being low down. Just a though, it would be interesting to see.
I don't think so, the tanks would bear a lot of the weight as they're nearer the centre of the bike than the lowest part of the wheels. Like the cylinders on a Bmw they probably make the first part of the lift easier.
@@jonboy602 That's what I would like to see, maybe the tanks keep the bars off the ground like you suggest. Thanks
Great job guys 😊👌👍
One thing to note tho is the 690 will be rather inaccurate as its not on a hard surface so the soft ground will soak up a bit of weight before the scales can register it... just a hot tip for those of us a bit overweight and wouldn't mind loosing a few kgs 🤣
Great info all the same and lovin the new T7 💪👌👍
I really needed this! Good info. Starting 73kg deadlift today.
I realize that the R1200GS has its weight slightly lower due to the boxer engine, making it comparable to 700-size bikes. But I was surprised that the WR250 wasn't lighter than it was, by comparison. I always thought that 250/300cc bikes would be way lighter. Yes of course, it's noticeably lighter, but it doesn't seem to be night and day?
Great comparison btw.
Crocs with socks? Dead to me now Nerb
Crocs and socks my long lost brother😜
Crocs should be camo.
@@AwesomePlayers mine are blue to match the HP2 😜
@@dinoraven6289 Styling. Today's trivia. Crocs were initially made in Canada.
Interesting experiment! Some bikes could weigh more but feel less heavy to lift because they carry their weight low (less distance to lift means less work, because w= force*distance). Also, being able to grab a strong hold of the bike minimizes energy leaks, as does the ability to maintain the bike closer to your body while lifting it. I find having a rear luggage rack or grab handles really makes a difference.
once its standing sure, but for getting it off the ground handlebars are so much easier.
@@0xsergy Yes! They're basically a lever after all. Problem is when the bike falls on the wrong side or in an awkward position. And awkward falls which put you in the worst leverage position possible tend to happen mostly off road.
On the spec sheet along with Kerb Weight they should add the Nerb Weight ;-P
I agree!
From my point of view, this kind of discussion is absolutely crazy!
YES! Weight matters! It's the only thing that matters!
With a light and controllable bike, you won't have to lift that thing day and night, as you simply won't crash that easily!
200kg plus is not light!
It hurts to see all these "BMW GSxxxx" videos, where people are talking about "offroading" while going 10-15 km/h on a hardpacked gravel road, crashing the bike constantly and then explaining the right "pick-up technique"......
For slightly harder terrain, the limit is somewhere around 160kg (mud, big rocky sectios, steep hills).
There are only 2 bikes that fall into that category: DR 650 SE (discontinued since 2000 in Europe) and KTM 690 Enduro. That's it!
In Europe, all other bikes were discontinued between 5-15 years ago!
KLR, WR250/450, DRZ400, TT600, XR650 (never officially sold in Europe).
Yes, you can go for a Honda CRF300L, but it's really weak.
If you want to push your bike even further, you need to sacrifice touring capabilities and/or buy a KTM500 EXC.
In one sentence you say that weight is the only thing that matters, then you say a crf300 is weak, then you say a 500 sacrifices touring ability... You cancelled your own arguments.
In reality, weight does not matter... It is all about the ability of the rider. If all you can handle is a dr650, then just ride that. No one will care, as long as you have fun.
The T7 is the greatest bike I've ever owned.
@@Nerb1 Yes, weight matters for how much "fun" riding makes.
A CRF300 is "quite light", but for me personally, the engine is too soft and weak.
Had a Beta ALP 4 for some time and did some TET-tours in europe on it. Suspension was too weak, as was the subframe.
A EXC500 is a beast, reliable, strong, light, but very high. The latter point is one that matters for me, at least as much as weight.
If the seat is too high, it's sometimes very dodgy in tough terrain! Here, the Beta ALP 4 was great, but the disadvantages were simply not acceptable for my application. :(
-> So I changed the bike for a DR650 SE.
It's about the ability of the rider, that's correct! I agree 100%.
I'm definitely not Pol Tarres.
I've been driving now for 30 years, all kinds of bikes, onroad, offroad.
I would say that I don't ride bad, but there is much potential for improvement.
I struggle with crossing 50cm logs with my DR650, but can do it with a Beta Xtrainer.
My height is about 1,80m, but even my Xtrainer is lower than stock, because it makes everything so much easier. Getting the front up from standstill and turn 180° on point works well for me, if the bike is low. If it's not, well......
Got a BMW R1100 GS, too.
Yes, you can ride "offroad" (gravel roads etc.), but there is simly NO FUN at all in this.
To toss around such a hefty bike is pointless, again, for me personally. (On the street it drives very well though).
Again, no offence! This is just my experience and what I like and don't like.
Wow, never thought about doing such an experiment, well done! But I've also notice something over the years when using an electric weight scale, the weight sensor is normally dedicated to a specific point for its most accuracy. So it is better to use the same point on the scale (maybe centre?) rather than other areas which are too close to the edges, otherwise it can be quite a big tolerance. Thanks again for the experiment.
Yes true. But at least it gives us a good idea of the pick-up weight. Have you weighed yours?
Great video. Thanks Nerb.
Now drop them all the way down, and I wouldn't be surprised if the GS is almost as easy to pick up as the 250 - because it does not fall flat like the others.
There's still a 20kg difference at the heaviest point. Dropping it further doesn't change that.
@@thebubaloomonkey But you are not as strong deep down there. Try it!
@@advthor marginally less strength perhaps, but 40% less? I'm not sure. It's a bit of a mute point given how rarely you will be dropping a 250 in the places where a GS "needs to have a lie down". If it was a genuine advantage, riders of regular bikes would be fitting really wide protruding crash bars to emulate the shape of a GS and using them for extra storage space. Maybe that's a business opportunity...
@@thebubaloomonkey I don't think pitching a 250 against a 1250 makes much sense. After struggling with my big friend to pick up his 1290, I appreciate the relative ease of picking up the GSA.
@@advthor I agree that your comparison with a 250 makes no sense. Perhaps your friend with the 1290 can be the first customer for my new "EZ Lift Protruding Crash Bars"!
Interesting stuff mate!
I like the colors... waiting for a proper blue/white livery from Yamaha...
Brave man using a glass scale on a bar end!
That was me and was kind of dumb now that you mention it lol.
I love citizen science. Awesome. Thanks for going to the effort.
Glad you liked it.
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I’m also concerned about the weight that is cartwheeling after me when I screw up 😜
lol... land running!
Wonder what the 1190 would have weighed without the tank bag? I have picked mine up a couple of times after a miscue, and with all the travel gear, it was a mission.
Good work Nerb
Awesome video! Just the kind of info I was looking for as I ponder the move from my 690 to a t700 or 790r. That’s a fair bit of added weight...
Yes, its not a dirtbike!
Interesting! Thanks for doing this comparison. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great idea, thanks! BMW really surprised me.
i guess having all that engine weight that low pays off.
Well that's got everyone talking! My modified 690 with fuel in the main tank, empty 5l Kolpin on back, stock silencer, and peg off the deck was 54.1 on the Nerbometer. Still feels heavy bogged to the axles
love it when the engineer comes out in you
I might just weigh my fe450 berg this arvo. I do remember my ktm 690 was really easy to pick up BUT for all you that struggle, DO squats. It makes a massive difference to your leg strength on and off the bike and you dont need a gym.
not just squats, upper body too. i have no problem lifting the bike up to about hip height with my legs but the lack of upper body strength due to an injury last year means getting the bike past that point is hard without repositioning the hands to a lower thing like crash bar/framerail.(200kg himalayan in my case)
A true engineer lol.
My wr250r with full suspension and mods is 297lb (135kg) as of a day ago. I think my scale is off though ? i also need to work out more regardless if its light lol. Q4 exhaust, all emmissions deleted, rear taillight and fender deleted, no pillion pegs etc.
you won't find a lighter bike than that for adv riding man, and stick with it. its just so much more versatile offroad.
@@0xsergy my buddy has a ktm500. Im getting into more enduro racing higher speeds. Im making a point to strip like 30lb off and gear way low, new bars for comfort standing. We will see this spring in a few months here
WR250 is known to be heavy compared to say a KTM 250exc
@@kevwong9385 a KTM 250exc has like 800km oil change intervals. Have fun adventuring with that thing, lol.
@@kevwong9385 im aware 😭
Interesting. I'll have to weight my old xt660r and see what she weighs on the bar ends.
Cool info well I’m stuffed with my Triumph explorer 1200 XCA lol 😂
Onya mate, real world measures, this is a great vid thank you
Beta Xtrainer 37kg with about 5 litres of fuel.
This is awesome. New standard for adv bikes. Lol. Also, with this type of cheap bathroom scale with a load surface that is likely deforming, is it possible that’s throwing the measurement off a bit with the Africa twin diff? Maybe a flat piece of wood under the bar to spread it out a bit more. Forgive me if you do this later As I’m not through the whole vid yet...
Youre right... possible errors here and there. A better way might be to hang from a fish-hook type scale. But I dont have one.
I came for the bike weight info but stayed for the Crocs lol. Two of my bikes in this vid...i'm famous! The GS was half full so 10 litres and the WR was also half full so around 9 litres
Thanks again! Do you remember how much fuel you had? zero, half or full?
@@Nerb1 Just updated my comment, GS was half full so 10 litres and looking back in old messages to see if I told you the WR fuel level.
@@Nerb1 WR was half full so around 9L too
As soon as I saw video thumbnail, I thought of Shadower.
Maybe a slow speed get-off/hold-up comparison.
Start deadlifting my friends. :D If you deadlift 500lbs it becomes ok. I think a good workout regime is beneficial for what we do. I have put a rear package rack on all my bikes with some pulling bands fastened on both sides. They make it really easy to not have to lift it all the way from the bottom or pulling it out of the mud.
Quite surprised the 790 and GS were basically the same, especially since the 790 has the fuel down low
The scale type has changed between. Probably the GS broke the first scale 😁
@@espero7757 lol the GS and scale is mine :P Also surprising how much heavier the AT is!
Interesting work!
There’s less than 20kg difference between them, apples and apples. If that causes anyone difficulty they can easily address it by doing push-ups every day. They’re free, take about a second of your time each, and have a significant impact on upper body strength, while building core strength as well. I’m 58 and went from 10 push-ups a day to 150 per day over a two week period (5 sets of 30).. It’s not that hard, and then 20 kg becomes irrelevant IMO.
Some people go but that is only a few kg what will that matter... but after a few drops and a long day that few extra kgs adds up quick.
my bathroom scales lie to me every time
This is like one of those online challenges 😆
Very interesting though.
Mmmm...my brain is hurting 😫, so much mathematics....!. But seriously, some interesting stats. I'm more than happy with my T7, but in a lot of the press reports and write ups they refer to it as a 'lightweight ' adventure bike. It should be referred to as a 'relatively ' light bike!! But it's a brilliant bike for sure 👍 Cheers, Steve
Interesting experiment, I enjoyed watching it :D
Not sure what the heck liters and KGs are but I pretty sure I could destroy all of you with my MT-enere 700. Of corse it might be “cheating” but it’s how it works out. The cage gives me some interesting geometry and tripod effect 😂
The heaviest lift is whatever angle your cage is off the ground. Or you could lie it down hill!
Also, kg were invented in 1795.... get with the times USA!!!
@@Nerb1 1776 we figured out how we wanna do things and never changed 😁
@@Nerb1 NASA uses metric 🤔
@@HJZ75driver everyone does, including the car manufacturers. mericans just like to think they're imperial.
Don’t those Yamaha things come with a side stand
Ducati Multistrada Enduro 1200 - 78 kg dry
The bike people claim is the heaviest, (the rhino) is actually fairly light, and probably the fact it never lays flat because of the opposing cylinders. 😁 A special thanks to shadower for his contribution.
Africa Twin is actually 5KGS heavier than the GS in the vid
Kind off suprise about the AT and the GS. Now l have to weight my triumph
I'm more surprised the 790 and GS were basically the same
@@bazza8947 who would have guess that. I would have tought that the 790 carry its weight down low as the tanks are at the bottom.
@@bazza8947 The second scale was sponsored by BMW 😂
@@espero7757 😖😖🤣🤣🤣maybe it was in ton not kg🤔🤔
@@toby7504 fuel weight is like nothing. what does the 790 hold, 20L? that's 20kg. that engine though.. probably 80+kg same for the GS1200.
I think it depends! you notice the wheight of the bike the moment you have to lift/push it!!!!
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interesting, one woud think 790R would require less force...
Interesting VJO, what is the baseline height off the ground for the scale? I'll give you the numbers for my 690 before it's in pieces for winter maintenance.
My stand is about 13 to 14 inches, but you should use whatever works to make sure nothing but the wheels are touching the ground.
You are a great educator mate, why I love your videos... now that being said, crocks with socks ????? thats exactly like thongs with socks, just not on mate , just not on 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂👍👍👍🤣😂👍
Worn especially for those of you that I know secretly love it! Haha
@@Nerb1 HAHAHAHAH they do look so stylish and sexy on you HAHAHAH , cheers bro :D
@nerb1 Great comparison. That AT is a DTC correct?
Yes, that one was a DCT
Does bike weight matter ? Just try to pick up your bike in the mud when your feet slide in one direction and the bike in the other direction. Then you'll know the answer.
haha yep, this is all perfect world ofcourse. real world is fun. at least with soft mud you can dig a trench with a stick that'll keep the bike from sliding tooo far.
Nothing wrong with riding a big girl, just make sure you're wearing dark tint!!
Ducati Multistrada Enduro 78 kg, dry
So, my heavly modified KTM 950 Adventure weights 195kg with no fuel in it, and 74 on the handlebar like you did, so its a way more expensive and old T700..
But your 950 has more horses! ;)
@@Nerb1 yes but offroad i have never gone full throttle.
All these measurements are taken at an angle, when you dump a bike its often flat on the deck, that would be considerably more surely?
The first 1 foot of your lift is much less weight because the bike weight is being taken by the ground against pegs, crash bars etc.
I think I will do a video to explain this.
at least on my bike it kinda 'tripods on the frame, engine case, whatever is sticking out the side so until the tires are touching the ground the lift is super easy, like 20kg tops. once the tires are on the ground is when the fun begins. in soft sand you can also dig out the tire area to make the lift even easier, i've done this on an downhill fall that i had no chance of rotating in the soft sand.
Vidéo très intéressante, thank you . 👍👍👍👍
if somebody sees you drop the bike, it will weight twice as much to pick up
Those fucking birds in Australia are so obnoxious haha. I don't know how you can get used to that?
Its funny, I didnt notice the crow until I played the vid back... I briefly thought about re-recording, but then I remembered how lazy I am!
Don't lift a bike using the handlebars....use the strongest muscles you have...your legs.....place your bum under the seat and push with your legs....that way you will not strain your back.
Weak muscles from a long leverarm vs strong muscles from a short leverarm. Handlebar with a straight back is my preferred method on an adventure bike which has long handlebars. And, it uses your legs anyway. The backward seat method was borne from bikes with clipons. I find it harder and slower.
And when someone says "dont", it usually guarantees that I will ;)
Can you compare with a hanging scales see if it makes a difference,
Im going to... buying scales on ebay now.
Interesting. 👍
How tall are you mate?
5'11"
bugger all in it.
trouble is you dont start the lift 1 foot of the ground 😆 it starts on the ground 😢😉
keep well mate 😎🍺
But until the pegs are off the ground, its a light lift. Its heaviest is when everything except the wheels are off the ground. I am about to make a video to prove it ;)
@@Nerb1 haha most time i drop mine the wheels are of the ground 😢😒
cant wait for the video Sir 😁👍
@@Nerb1 I do think the standard for this new test should be pegs/hard parts just barely off the ground for the particular bike you're testing, not a fixed height. Bikes that fall lower because they're slim are harder to pick up.
To be really engineeric you would take the maximum number the scale shows during the pick up process. But this test would be near to that max. number I suppose.
@@Nerb1 Yes, but you are stronger the higher you get. Picking up a 1250GS from a flat ground is easy, a 1290 is really heavy.
OK, now real world test please. Take them outside and drop them on a 30% slope on the down hill side, wheels uphill, do the measurements and factor in lifting them after the bike has fallen on top of you!
I do that almost every weekend!
OK... So what? Wouldn't the bikes rank the same as if you'd look at the dry/wet weights of these bikes?
Adventure / Dual Sport Motorcycle Specs
www.adventureridingnz.co.nz/motorcycles/adventure-motorcycle-comparison/
Not sure what the point of this video is, you are strong enough to either lift it or not, if you cant lift 80kg i doubt you can lift 75kg
Energy... every 5kg less you have to left is 5km further you can ride ;). Well, I dont know what the numbers are, but lifting the bike certainly uses energy.