1952-9-23 Jersey Joe Walcott vs Rocky Marciano I (FOTY)
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2012
- 1952-9-23 Municipal Stadium, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Jersey Joe Walcott (51-16-2) vs Rocky Marciano (42-0-0)
World Heavyweight Championship
Referee: Charlie Daggert
Judges: Pete Tomasco, Zach Clayton
Link in BoxRec: boxrec.com/media/index.php?tit...
The Ring Magazine Fight of the Year 1952 - Спорт
This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!
Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily.
To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt.
Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.
Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’
empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage
Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .
Roberto Day-Are you talking about Walcott or Marciano?
empirical43 grandad and road sweeper beater sloppy mafiano of course
empirical43 How would Ali know how hard Marciano hit? Your quote doesn’t ring true. Where did you get it?
From the computer fight they did.That was a 45 year old and very out of shape, fat from overeating, Marciano, mind you
One of the things I love about Rocky is after every round no matter what he just goes back to his corner and never gets upset with any fighter.
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old!
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951.
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers.
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source.
*If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.
@@bobbyd5276get out of the past and stop making excuses for yourself🐸🍿any jackass knows why boxing lost it's audience ?
Any one of those 50 people would have bitch slapped you or me!
@@bobbyd5276Indeed! Long before the ALS, Ezzard had killed Sam Baroudi inside the ring in 1948 and he lost his killer instinct after that.
Obviously prime Louis from 1938-1944 , would've destroyed Rocky and prime Charles would've beaten Marciano too
Walcott and Moore never would've beaten Marciano and the only reason that Walcott was dominating in their first Title Fight was because Rocky was blinded for 4 rounds .
All of the top young Heavyweights like Valdes, Baker Henry, Jackson, Walls and Buccerino never got a shot at the Title.
Rocky was smart to retire on top at 32 years of age. He wasn't brain damaged like Louis Charles, Ali, Frazier, etc.
What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.
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You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good
If you like these older fights look at jet Jack Johnson he was a modern boxer
Walcott is nowhere close to the best of modern fighters. Both of these men are snail slow brawlers.
I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights.
I was around 15 years old.
this must have been a time when balding men ruled the world.
it was fought on my 15th birthday and i am now 84 the date is 7-27-22
WOW !!!!!! THAT IS GREAT !!!!!!!! You cannot forget that !
You witnessed the pinnacle of the sport of boxing in your day. And, the pinnacle of this greatest country on Earth, the United States of America.
@@thejerseyj5479🇺🇸 😁👍👍🇺🇲 ,👍😁 🥊💥🥊💥🌠🌛
Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on UA-cam forever. 👍
The rematch Walcott decided not to get up for more of that. They asked him about it and he said look I tried everything I had in the first fight.
70 years later and this is still impressive.
Indeed. What an abrupt ending!
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD You're a crazy brown person, aren't you?
this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.
That Right of his!!!
Gotta give Marcianos pressure, aggression n his power punching credit for Jersey Joe having a slugfest, it was that or get KOd defending/Waltzing
The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion
yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky
Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong!
Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI!
Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped!
ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!
What an outstanding fight. Two monster legends, RIP.
For 9yrs from 55 to 64 HOF Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston decimated the top 10 ratings. Ingemar Johansson and Henry Cooper declined to fight him. After Ali he didn't lose for another 5yrs and Joe Frazier declined to fight him. The Big Bear was the most ducked fighter of all time.
Sonny’s only loss before Ali was his 8th fight, when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, and yet only lost a split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
2nd to his last fight when Sonny was 50yrs old he was KOd by Leotis Martin, or was he? When ref started counting notice how Sonny raises his head and turns it to rest on his forearm. That's not all. After Liston was counted out he raised himself up with his own arms, then flopped himself over onto his back.
6 months later Sonny fought his last fight against Chuck Wepner just before he died. Chuck had 6 massive cuts to his face that required the most ever 338 stitches and was pouring blood everywhere, his left eye was swollen completely shut, his cheek as well as nose were broken.
Sonny Liston never Quit anything! He was-forced-to-take-dives just like so many of Rocky's opponents were. If anyone was a Quitter it was Marciano! He Up-n-Quit after a measly 8yrs at only 31yrs of age, while Liston continued fightin for 17yrs until he was 50yrs old. Little Rocky also Quit on his own kid's and wife.
Rocky fan-atic's love denigrating boxers similar to Sonny every opportunity they get. But when folks retaliate they take offence. They say, "not only are u prolific hater but black as well," and "how dare u talk about my dearly beloved tiny-demigod like that."
@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.
@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.
@@Jabbing_Jack Sonny Liston was best ever, wasn't he? 🙂
@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
Marciano fanboys describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these Rocky vids so saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable.
"Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook."
Don't be so gullible, Marciano only fed on middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights.
If Marciano was so Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina. Exactly who's bones did he break? WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!
Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery, what's the big deal? Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. LaStarza simply had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career.
*(Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article).
Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."
Rex only sustained "ONE" broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later, so what's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.
"He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference" --written by Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.. (exaggerated misinformation at it's finest).
Rocky's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 13 opponents (not in order) that he supposedly "Forced-into-Retirement" instantaneously:
#1) Amateur Lee Epperson - 0 wins 0 losses. Shameful to even count this as a "Forced-Retirement." Retired from what? He never even had a career. Epperson was probably 15 years old like Walcott & Moore were when they first started.
#2) Amateur Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 0 losses. Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." Probably another 15 year old.
#3) Amateur John Edwards - 1 win 1 loss. Y'all gonna count this as a "Forced Retirement" also?
#4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the IRS-FORCED him to. As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was finally outta there for good!!!
#5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another easy $250K. Walcott received the lions share both fights. Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a fraction of that. $250K back then is $2.6 million today. Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he "QUIT"!!!
#6) Lee Savold age was 36 with 153 bouts. His manager, Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow." Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. Completely washed Savold was only there for his last Big-Paycheck!!!
#7) Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KO's (D to F-level). Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took 0:34 seconds for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and 1:28 in his last fight. The less said about "The-Bum" the better.
#8) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KO's looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Evans weighed 178 lbs. Too many light heavyweights.
#9) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KO's (D-level). Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. I thought this was the Heavyweight division?
#10) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KO's (D-level). Marciano fights Buonvino "TWICE", why?
#11) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KO's (F-level). Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. ("Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano", according to the Providence Journal, "Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round, and Eatman went down though it didn't appear he was hit"--written by BoxRec.)--Eatman obviously took-a-dive.
#12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's (F-level). Pete fought amateur Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights. Pete's profession was padding records.
#13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."
So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch.
It appears little Rocky didn't "Force-Retire" any of these boxers. Overwhelming majority of his supposed 43 KO's were referees stopping his fights prematurely and homeless walk-ins takin dives and paddin records.
@@bobbyd5276 Yeah but i'll bet you're an African American right? Yall are bitterly envious and hatefilled toward Whitey who's given you EVERYTHING you have, including boxrec, UA-cam, the English language, and on average 22% of your genetics to drag you up to an 80 IQ, running hot n cold water on demand, hot nutritious food on demand, the conditions to box in safety, the supplemnts, the super smart chemists who make the PEDs that all your athletes use to help promote the anti-Wh te J-ish agenda that you can hang with us, the cars you drive, the planes and ships your boxers OPPONENTS travel on, top notch boxing kit, including the clothes and boots, the heavy bags, speed bags, the multi storey building it's housed in, something EVEN TODAY Africans need Wh te folks to oversee, the TV and satellite that make it possible to watch boxing, the boxing coaching from which the sport emerged b/c we invented it, we codified the rules for boxing and every other sport - we are only a tiny minority in the world we still dominate most sports, everything that makes life tolerable is thanks to us
@@bobbyd5276ur mom was 49-0 with homeless men as well
The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring." Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', "Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."
So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin
Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo "tooth-pick" Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at his eighteen opponents:
#1) Vingo 188¼ vs Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER 6 wins 3 losses with 44% KO's (F-level).
#2) Vingo 187 lbs vs Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KO's (F-level).
#3) Vingo 190 lbs vs Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER 2 wins 21 losses with 0% KO's (F-level). Turners only purpose was padding records.
#4) Vingo 190 lbs vs George Washington 187 lbs CAREER 12 wins 33 losses with 17% KO's (F-level). Another paid diver.
#5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER 28 wins 7 losses with 29% KO's (C-level)( "VINGO LOSES" ).
#6) Vingo 194 lbs vs Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KO's (F-level).
#7) Vingo 197 lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KO's (F-level).
#8) Vingo 192 lbs vs Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER 20 wins 41 losses with 8% KO's (F-level). Another diver.
#9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KO's (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level undercard boxer. Why?
#10) Vingo 188 lbs vs Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER 2 wins 13 losses with 6% KO's (F-level). This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless.
#11) Vingo 188 lbs vs Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KO's (D to F-level).
#12) Vingo 195 lbs vs Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KO's (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level opponent. Why?
#13) Vingo 195 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER 5 wins 9 losses with 21% KO's (F-level).
#14) Vingo 185 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER 5 wins 9 losses with 21% KO's (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level opponent. Why?
#15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER 18 wins 8 losses with 26% KO's (D to F-level). Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights were dime a dozen back then.
#16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER 12 wins 33 losses (F-level). "SECOND TIME" Vingo fights this F-level diver. VINGO FOUGHT "FOUR" (4) OPPONENTS "TWICE" WITHIN 16 BOUTS. Why?
#17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER 0 wins 5 losses with 0% KO's (F-level). Vingo actually fights a debuting amateur just before he faces Rocky. Why? This isn't even funny anymore.
#18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER 49 wins 0 losses with 87.76% KO's (A-level). Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face, and his eyes were wide open and clear. What they did to Carmine was a travesty!
*THE WORST PREDETERMINED 16-2 BOXING RESUME OF ALL TIME
All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for "SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD" --Carmine Vingo
[ Sad part is little Marciano fights at least 40 of these homeless F-level walk-ins who were simply fightin for room and board ]
Are you ok?
The chins these guys used to have, it's unbelievable
Would of hated to see some of these guys in later life.they would be vegetables.
@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....
And I'll bet they had little to no padding in those gloves. 🙄
@@joshuatree5620 well recived
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Marciano gave real meaning to the saying: "Powerful things come in small packages"..... Rocky was knockout magic and never lost a fight.
He.lost.2.as.an
Ammater..read.the.book.
I'm in the process of writing my own Marciano book;
@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
I'm in the process of writing my own Marciano book;
@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left.
Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune.
*This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!
this is important information you give here. But I don't think it takes away from Marciano's greatness.
@@andrewmartin538 it sure does..
Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up
They insured he wasn't gonna lose
Moore was aged very aged and still smh
@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.
Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold.
Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.
Yes
How they didn't both have broken ribs I don't know
First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!
Walcott in the day was a monster!
In his prime jersey Joe would have beat Rocky!!
RIP, Rocky. Undefeated, nobody can ever take that away.
Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.
@@lovenlightman spelling isn't your strong point is it?
BAlboa Rocky ?
Few fights too
id agree if walcott and others werent much older over the hill fighters i dont know but i think lewis was older not sure
*When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.*
("The Tuamanator" would have obliterated light heavyweights Charles-n-Moore and "The President" woulda walked through little Marciano and Walcott as if they were invisible.)
Marciano was good during his little post war era three generations ago but he would not be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to:
Undefeated 263lb Makhmudov
Undefeated 248lb Sanchez
Undefeated 247lb Hrgovic
Undefeated 245lb Anderson
Undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few.
And then there's so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to:
Lewis
Bowe
Vitali
Ruddock
Witherspoon
Grant
Bruno
Holmes
Ali
Foreman
Liston
Tyson
Usyk
Wladimir
Ruiz
Parker
Ortiz
Dokes
Lyle
Thomas
Weaver
Briggs
Morrison
Cooney
Wilder
*I could "easily" list another Twenty-Five!!!*
Guess you've convinced yourself...lol
@@mtman2 i'm convinced marciano banged his mom
Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
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It is so cool to hear the audience ambient background talk and shouts with those old omni directional microphones...
Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.
@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.
@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.
@@mariealbergo7991 Two great fighters one over rated the other underrated, but both great fighters.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 i smell the brown bomber troll
Walcott's brain froze or he gassed. Why did he stopped moving like he had done up till then? Incomprehensible.
In the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???*
*Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!*
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion.
The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.
You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮
If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was.
He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.
BOGUS STUDY
@@freddyfurrah3789 Of course it is. Bcz Marciano fans dislike Truth
@@freddyfurrah3789 What a boxer was ranked is no study. It's facts. How did he go from being ranked 10th throughout the 1960s and 1970s to 4th Greatest Heavyweight in 2024. $$$$, that's how!
So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.
But wow they had to scrape Walcott off the canvas
great comment perfectly put
Couldn't have put it better myself Mr. Hinkle well said. 👍
Addressed to John Hinkle. I couldn't have said this better myself you are correct sir
♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport
this was Marciano's first ass whooping, he was never the same again
Hedz B ass whooping?!what fight were you watching?!
Bun B don't forget the great other Charles the cobra in Cincinnati Ohio that was a brawl as well Ezzard Charles
Bun B
I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points.
Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it.
Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.
@@dannyburch2122 I assume that's who he meant.
"Fighters admit diving to earn big pay outs" The Boston Herald 1958 by Nick Rippington said at least 40 professional contests had been fixed or tainted with fraud in the past 7 years. The admissions came in sworn statements and interviews The Herald did with more than 60 fighters, promoters, trainers, managers, matchmakers and commissioners. Some of the boxers negotiated payments to throw matches, while others took a dive merely to avoid injury and pick up an easy paycheque. A former heavyweight said he made hundreds and even thousands of dollars faking 14 knockouts from 1949 to 1957. Others claimed many fraudulent matches were arranged by promoters or matchmakers intent on improving a fighter's record and ranking to earn big money title fights.
Little Rocky never faced Genuine Heavyweight power punchers like McCall & Rahman. McCall was 6' 2" 237lbs and Rahman was 6' 3" 238lbs
Little Rocky never faced Genuine Heavyweight power punchers like McCall & Rahman. McCall was 6' 2" 237lbs and Rahman was 6' 3" 238lbs
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Little Mike Tyson was 5-10 and fought at 218 😮 Marciano would have beaten MCCall and Rahman down in a 15 round fight.
And today's heavy weights would mop the floor with this guy.. I loved him when I was a kid and got into combat sports but to be serious he couldn't beat but a few of today's contenders
Neither did Louis..
I feel fortunate that I can watch this in 2022. Props to BoxNights.
Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ
Not to mention probably smallest heavyweight ever with t Rex arms and still went undefeated
@@favoriteofalltimefoat also hes 188 lbs and can hit harder than pretty much everyone
@@yes-qw6om smallest heavyweight ever
@@favoriteofalltimefoat Tommy Burns, Dwight Qawi, Sam Langford...
Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.
James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.
*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Any excuse will do.
@@michaelmettry6120 Lou Gehrig's Disease is not an excuse.
@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD The problem with your story is that it is just that, a story. Charles did NOT have ALS in 1951. He wouldn't even be diagnosed with the disease until 1968. Just ask Wikipedia.
Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.
@@manny4mayor He didn't have 8 KO's. ALL yer credibility just flew out the window. Try again Mr. Whiteboy.
Marciano hits like a bolt of lightning, I had to rewind the viedo 5 times to see the right hand knock out punch, unbelievable indurance and power.
Same here. Couldn't hardly catch it he swung so fast.
I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.
I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.
@@tonyhelton2788 Took a "dive"?
@booch326 took a dive after he got jackhammered by Rocky's right hand
My all time favorite Heavyweight championship fight. This upload is the best quality in the world bar none. Thanks so much!
Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ???
*"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki
*"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame
*And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.*
Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).*
Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.*
Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's al she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.
Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.
My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!
The International Boxing Club Of New York was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo.
“Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.”
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!!
So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs.
Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20.
Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.
Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott were heavyweight champions.
This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.
Unlucky 13 round for Wolcott Lucky 13 for Rocky!
@@frankpaya690 ws
A right to the chin knocked joe out cold...unconcious...lights out...
Ali would have chopped Rocky to pieces. Rocky would never lay a glove on Ali.
@@richardscott7377 I agree ,Rocky would be swinging his devastating punches at fresh air ha !.
Never a more devastating single punch in boxing history. It was perfect.
Ray Mancini said it was textbook… Like his glove barely left his chest… Short accurate… Right on the button
It could have sunk an aircraft carrier. Imagine being on the other end of it. A dark specter.
@@MaximusWolfe Rocky was very appropriate at the post fight press conference,he was a true champion,word
In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s.
Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.*
Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future.
In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing.
Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate.
Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.”
In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.”
Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
Great comment and information.
Whewwwwww! That's a lot of talk , however no matter who Rocky could beat or could have beat . The fact remains he was NEVER beaten. Joe Walcott was great fighter ,but just couldn't stand the pressure of the smaller man !
@ 3: 27 the banner-caption or on-screen text reads;
ARCHIE MOORE CLASSIC SPORTS At age 42, second oldest ever to fight for heavyweight championship (George Foreman, age 45 in 1994)
Archie's age is no longer a mystery. Wiki recently removed 1916 and went with 1913 per family request. “My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore
Jul 20, 2020 - Archie Moore - BoxRec writes -- "Moore claimed he was born December 13, 1916, but his mother said he was born December 13, 1913. The U.S. Census record from 1920 seems to put an end to the mystery. "Archie L. Wright" is listed as a nephew in the household of Cleveland Moore and was three years and two months old on the date of the census" - January 2, 1920.
So BoxRec says, "'Seems"' to put an "'end'" to the mystery."
Who said it's the "'end'" ?
BoxRec serves maybe two million folks. Wiki serves Billions and they say 1913. Archie's Mother and Archie's children say 1913 so they take precedent. Archie's mother did not fill out that census form, an uncle did who lived in a different state.
Archie claimed he was born in 1916 in Collinsville, Illinois. But Archie's Mother told reporters numerous times, "Archibald was born in 1913 in Benoit, Mississippi" and that she was "never in Collinsville." December 13, 1913 was even written in his obituary by his children. "My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore
Says Billy Moore, Archie’s 68-year-old son who lives in San Diego, “My daddy was born in Benoit, Mississippi, and he was proud of it. If I heard him say it once, I heard him say it hundreds of times."
@ BoxRec - Wikipedia --- 'Criticism of website' -very first sentence reads, ""BoxRec has been criticized for not keeping correct records for boxers, especially historic fighters"" Here's a perfect example of BoxRec's inaccuracies and why they're criticized...Walcott's actual record is 51-18-2 and he was KO'd (5) times...yet BoxRec shows ""49-20-1 KO'd (6) times""
2 legend boxers. RIP..
Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!
Knocked out an old man. And had PLENTY of trouble. Not Impressive at all.
Not impressive? You're kidding!
Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????
You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali....
...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?
Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.
Little Marciano will always be one of my faves but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. Rocky's two best opponents were light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any decent 200+lb 'Heavyweights'. Name ONE prime 200+lb 'Heavyweight' he fought? The answer is ""ZERO""
You can say the same for Tyson. Stop the hate, no one is buying it…
Rocky was all hype and MAFIA FIXED
@@k9m42 looks like Gump bought it...
@@k9m42 44 Marciano opponents: We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?*
Even Marciano's *best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times.* Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. *Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?* Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. *Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?*
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM*
*THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE*
The *entire* eastern seaboard was *Italian,* it was *all Italian.* Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's *mafioso manager* and *matchmaker* at the Garden *took* 50% and *all ticket sales* which pushed it closer to *60%.* Marciano had *no choice* but to *comply* or *no contract.*
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. *Italian* Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, *they needed* something *new.* Access to the machinery of *boxing,* a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. *Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.*
*They controlled it all,* from the *trainers* and *managers* to the reporting *journalists,* with a combination of *intimidation* and financial backing ensuring *everybody* the mob *wanted* was under *their control.*
*THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS*
@@k9m42I’m buying it. His comment is right on.
Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano.
Foreman probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano.
This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.
Jersey Joe was way underrated, in my opinion. One helluva fighter, grew up in tough times. In my personal Hall of Fame.
ATG.
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:*
Miller - 333 lbs
Zhang - 287
Joyce - 280
Fury - 277
Ngannou - 272
Makhmudov - 260
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Foreman - 260
Lennox - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Wladimir - 245
Parker - 250
Bowe - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Whyte - 250
Joshua - 250
Ruddock - 245
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Liston - 220
Tyson - 220
Thomas - 225
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 230
Lyle - 220
Usyk - 222
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
*Marciano - 184*
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns!
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
The amount of punishment they took was incredible, especially Rocky.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
Unbeaten is the story of an immigrant son who chased the American dream in the middle of the 20th Century. Marciano’s story unfolds in the back alleys of New England and the musty gyms of New York in the years after World War 2. Rocky moved through a romantic era of guys and dolls, hustlers and gamblers, crusty trainers and sleazy managers, glamorous celebrities and notorious mobsters.
What I knew about Marciano before I read the book Unbeaten was that he cowardly retired during his prime right before he would have had to fight the lik' of Patterson, Liston, and Clay to name just a few. I did not know about his conduct during World War 2 that got him locked up in jail for 2 years. I did not know of the mob's influence in his career.
Nor did i realize that his list of opponents while he was champion were of dubious quality. Joe Louis was far beyond his prime. Journeyman Joe Walcott was 38/39 years old. Former middleweight turned light heavyweight grandfather Archie Moore was 41 and Ezzard Charles best years were behind him at light heavyweight.
For the last decade of his life Marciano wandered America, disillusioned, untrusting, hiding his money, cheating on his wife, consorting with the mobsters and loansharking. He hung around with Frank Sinatra and a number of "made guys." Rocky was not a good businessperson and was lousy with investing and saving money. He left his family penniless. Again his boxing record is offset by the low level of his opponents. He died relatively young in a plane crash due to his complete disregard of intentionally flying during horrible weather conditions inorder to collect money.
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Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys.
Anyway I scored it
1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott
Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.
Respect.
How did you score round 6? I gave 6 to Marciano.
Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got
@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...
no matter how many rounds he got the KO failed walcott!!
One of the most underrated heavyweight championship bouts.
It’s pretty iconic actually
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
Jack Dempsey defeated Jess Willard.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.
@@Boots_on_the_ground Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was only champion bcz Jack Johnson took a dive. Primo was daily alcoholic and 100% controlled.
@@michaelmettry6120 little Marciano is NOT going to beat a prime Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko or Ike Ibeabuchi etcetera
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky?
This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that?
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
Just like you speculateers would bet on the 130# Wolf over 50# Wolverine....and you'd lose watching the wolf become Wolverine scat...OR... bet on the bigger Jackal over a Honeybadger and be wrong again...lol
Rocky was like them and trained to be that tuff...!
It only takes one good hit and if you watch Rocky carefully he patiently waits for that split second opening to appear while he nonstop pummels away...!
One can notice Tyson once rocked good gets scared which is why he goes in with both guns blazing unless someone clocks him enuff his reaction and fearfulness is apparent where Rocky just keeps coming and fights close on the inside where the bigger longer reached fighters are useless and kept off guard and he never lets up- Esp never ending liver & rib shots you can hear and sêê the reverb effects...!
So - to each his own opinion...!
Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
@Studentofsweetscience Is that supposed to hurt my feelings? 😂 LOL
Ali,Tyson, Foreman, Liston,Shavers, holmes, wilder, all would've had out in less than 1 round.
Studentofsweetscience...
Your husbands little but you love him.
One thing that helped Marciano a lot was his excellent conditioning. The opponent was not going to win by tiring him out.
His age
Rocky Marciano was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Marciano biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7 inch reach, longer than Rocky's. There is no question that Marciano was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his fighting weight of 184-189lbs (roughly 83-86kg) during his title defences, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight or very small cruiserweight by today's standards.
"Walking around weight" isn't a useful metric for determining a boxer's ideal weight division or in-the-ring weight unless one knows--at the very least--the boxer's bodyfat percentage at his "walking around weight". Some boxers stay lean between fights, others get quite fat. Marciano always stayed lean. For 7 years his average weight was 184lbs. In other words Marciano never was nor could ever be a natural 200+lb Heavyweight.
Fighters couldn't be dehydrated in those days. Because they weighed in the day of the fight. Maybe a little dehydrated if done early in the morning. Rocky walked around 230 . He loved to eat spaghetti. Than for 8 weeks he would eat nothing but cabbage soup and run 10 miles a day.
@@gregpettis1113 LOL that's hilarious. If Marciano walked around at 230 pounds then Mike Tyson walked around at 300 pounds. And King Fury walks around at 500 pounds. Not only are you clueless about boxing but casual as well.
@@Boots_on_the_ground Marciano got fat when he wasn't in training
@@gregpettis1113 Not for 7 years during training. His average weight was 184lbs for 7 years. Concession accepted.
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THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT:
254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents.
229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents.
220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents.
And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.
Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.
But he was old, just like the other fighters he fought.
The Rock fought who was in font of him but his defenses were against older past their prime fighters.
I'm 52 now , looking back when i was in my 30s I was still in my prime
38 is only old to lazy, fat, chain-smoking slobs.
@@rrizo6846 everybody is past their prime in their thirties, though they may think they're not.
I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!
howard Cosell would have done a much better job
The announcer did that in most of Marciano's fights,probably to demean rocky's ability.
That last right didn't connect Walcott took a drive.
kevlarunderwear22 Cosell would have talked about the evils of boxing for 14 rounds. How fun is that?
johnny brize Probablh because it was true and its an important factor in the “story” of a fight.
Bert Sugar and Jimmy Cannon were sports journalist inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for their vast amounts of boxing knowledge. @1:00:00 during 'The Hardest Man Ever: Rocky Marciano Documentary', Bert Sugar said, "It wasn't a great heavyweight division at this time." Then Bert quotes Jimmy Cannon who said, "Because of the mobs influence at the time, Rocky Marciano stands out like a rose in a Garbage Dump."
Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible," and he just said, "Rocky's era was not great." I trust his opinion more than crooked-scammer Don Turner. Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association.
Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.
Rocky fans love to use quote after quote after endless quotes to defend their little hero but totally ignore any and all negative quotes. Just sweep em under the carpet. Typical double standard. Same applies with mob influence which controlled every single facet of the 1950's boxing era.
You may be correct, and I'm not all that impressed by him, but Rocky did beat everyone thrown at him.
What you don't realize and simply can't be measured is imo the fact that Marciano would have easily outworked and very easily winded all of these so called "super heavyweights." As for era i mean shit other than the 70's which era was "great." To knock Marciano because of era is bs... That's all the Marciano haters can say.... Go watch the Ali/Howard Cosell interview when Ali goes thru all the greats sayin he'd have beat them all and even said the round that he'd have beaten them in with one exception lol.. Marciano was the only fighter Ali said he didn't know if he could beat citing his Frazier fights. Ali said Marciano was better than Frazier and could hit with both hands. So go head and take ole Berts opinion I'll take Ali's....
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And another where Ali says Marciano would have been the dude that would have gave him the toughest fight. Ali's no dummy he knew, like he told Cosell look what Frazier did with em.. Marciano would have done it better.. Point blank
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Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
yeah but joe got up everytime. imagine if they didnt stop it. george would gas and get koed
@@blankblank1257 Joe was knocked down 6 times, the last in which he was lifted off the floor. If the fight wasn't stopped Joe would have gotten killed.
Rocky Marciano was Champion of the World and in his career never lost one fight.
Marciano was relentless!!!!
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 185 lb Marciano with his extraordinarily shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand little 185 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
He was barely 6 1.
Sonny sure had a long career. First fight was in 1953 when Marciano was champ.
People think liston disappeared after the Ali loss. But he won nine fights in a row afterwards before his shocking loss to leotis Martin
Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury would destroy Rocky within 3 rounds...Stop playing..
To me, this fight proved that Marciano was among the great heavyweights below 210 and was his most impressive performance.
I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.
Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.
I see you have a new name again. Way to go Freak Boy. The problem with your post is it is all a lie, one of many you post I might add. Marciano did NOT have all he could handle with Moore. He beat the daylights out of him knocking him down 4 times before knocking him out.
Here are the judges scorecards for the fight
5 Harry Kessler 2
7 Artie Aidala 1
5 Harold Barnes 3
Moore was running from the 3 round on, he was floored 5 times one was called a slip
by the idiot referee , Joe Louis was out of boxing 7 months when he faced
Marciano with 8 straight wins at 37 years old not a young man but not that old
Don cockell was the British champion who defeated a lot of good boxers
but was smoothed when boxed rocky
Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.”
In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last.
It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat.
His next opponent was F-level Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was F-level Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career.
Marciano's 32nd fight was against F-level Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. His 33rd fight was against F-level Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. 34th fight was against F-level Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. And his 35th fight was against F-level Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses.
It's clear as day Frankie Carbo and Al Weill padded Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Who doesn’t love the name “Jersey Joe?” He was way ahead, but seemed mentally exhausted near the end with Rocky being so relentless.
He was old for a fighter. He may have beat Rocky, if they had fought 5 or 6 years earlier.
@@Elite59He was CHAMP. Anything to denounce the Rock.
We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑
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Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
One of the best ever, for sure
ROCKY ONLY HAD SIX TITLE DEFENSES,...GTFOH...
@@aarondigby9859 I think it should go by losses. Ali lost 5 fights. Lost the title. Rocky never lost. He's the greatest of all time.
Yeah it's a pretty safe bet he'll remain undefeated forever
Shall we start with his 15 opponents that had losing records or all his opponents that had 20 30 40 50+ losses and were KO'd too many times to count??? Walcott Charles Moore Savold lost (113) times and were KO'd (32) times.
Ted Lowry was another middleweight turned light heavyweight who had (57) losses. Lowry took Marciano the distance twice and everyone that witnessed their first fight convincingly said Lowry won. Marciano even admitted he was "lucky to have won."
There's a pic of Ezzard Charles standing next to middleweight Sugar Ray Robinson and Ray looked bigger! Charles was another middleweight turned light heavyweight with a very slender build and the lowest ever 42% KOs. Both Ezzard and his family said he was showing signs of ALS in 1951.
Don't get me wrong, there were some very good light heavyweights during this time, but the 200+lbs Heavyweight division was a complete and utter embarrassment.
Rocky fans always say his opponents were Bigger than he was. Then name all these 200+lbs Bigger opponents and let's go over their career records and KO percentages one at a time..
For example little Rocky's heaviest opponent was *F-LEVEL* 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson who had a career *4 wins 2 losses* with a measly 28% KO's. Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better.
If you build it, they will come! You didn't build anything, though you sure threw a load!
After 2 months, we find out, luckily, that there are only 13 of your ilk, in 2500. That the odds of missing one like you, much better. Hopefully, for their sakes, you didn't reproduce.
Yeah, but what you’re saying is absolute bunking.
Bunkum
@@donhill7239 Wrong. What I'm saying is truthful facts. How can anyone be upset with the honest fact's???
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.”
A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
What has this got to do with this fight 😳 🤔 😐 what a twat
This bout had everything a boxing fan could ask for !
I was 2 weeks old when that fight took place. Now I'm almost 70!
The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.
Arrêtez, Marciano ne tiendra pas 3 rounds devant Georges Foreman.
@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.
@artisaprimus6306 Marciano was a great fighter, but let's be honest. There have been many, great fighters Well, before Marciano's time.?
@@bdcarroll415 Of course, Rocky is just one of many.
@artisaprimus6306 Yes, believe me, and there are many that boxing fans will never know or hear of..?
After watching this about 3 times,I am really impressed with Marciano's ability to take punishment and keep the pressure on Wolcott.
Marciano had a deadly punch and could take the same, just imagine if he had been a little more muscular, heavier.......Rocky was not controlled by politics....Today, he would never have perservered........admin would have made sure to that.
Rocky would never give up! He kept punching and punching and punching
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the movie Raging Bull could of featured Rocky Marciano and not Jake Lamotta . Rocky couldn't dance but he had a powerful devastating punch . my favorite boxer and a humble decent man .
Walcott was slick and stronger than his size would indicate. Rocky’s ability to carry his power late in fights saved the day for him here. Great fight.
It was more than that....
ROCKY had to have the ability to wear Walcott down in a grueling fight where he ROCKY was absorbing considerable punishment. ROCKY put Joe in that retreating mode Joe was in in round 13.
Marciano is the Ferrari of boxing, the guy knew how to engineered a win!
Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Sounds like somebody got a some hate going on for "LITTLE" Rocky.. the Rock did exist, 40 times undefeated and had to retire cause nobody NOBODY on the up and coming would fight him. Little Rocky hurt fighters when it got down to blood and grid he came alive. Nobody wanted a lose, nobody wanted thier fighter hurt. That's a fact.
Not totally true. I am an ITALIAN AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MARCIANO, I LOVED TYSON IN HIS PRIME, HOLYFIELD, WALCOTT AND LISTON AND LOUIS. BUT I COULDNT STAND CASIOUS CLAY AND HOMES BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK..
Is Walcott Charles Moore joe Wolcatta or Archie moore?
@@aldonelson5757 Yes. Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Two were light heavyweights masquerading and moonlighting as Heavyweights. And Jersey Joe was Cruiserweight. Compared to today's Super Heavyweights they're tiny.
@@snickersberet4792 Incorrect. You don't know what your talking about. Little Rocky ducked many fighters and Quit bcz he was "embarrassed of losing." That's what his younger brother Peter said. Truth hurts. That's a fact!
They put Rocky as the favorite to get Joe Walcotts goat. They knew it would piss him off and he’d fight much harder in my opinion. How Rocky withstood his onslaughts is a remarkable testament to his physical conditioning and shear iron will to keep fighting !
Announcers haven't always been afraid of dead air, it's refreshing. Being able to watch a fight without constant talking about non fight related topics, or someone trying to tell you what you're seeing.
I like that it gives ex boxers jobs and they can occasionally be insightful but if there were a button to push and all I could hear was the crowd and the fighters, I would push it.
The toughness and endurance of these fighters were just on another level, lot of phone booth boxing, unafraid and nonstop.
One would think since Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a boxer.
Don Turner said, "Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever see." Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!
Turner said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74.
Here is some of the top rated trainers of all time. Won't see Don anywhere;
Cus D' Amato, Eddie Futch, Freddie Roach, Ignacio "Nacho", Beristain, Lou Duva, Emanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee, Jack Blackburn, Teddy Atlas, Roger Mayweather, Gil Clancy, Ray Arcel and more, but NO Don!
Vitali fans, Wladimir fans, Fury fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans, Frazier fans, Lewis fans, Holmes fans, Tyson fans NEVER discuss Don's bull••••. Only-Rocky-Lover-Fanboys ever discuss Don.
Don lost all credibility when he convinced Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." Needless to say the lack of a cutman was determining factor that cost Holyfield the heavyweight championship against Moorer.
Evander Holyfield fired him. Michael Grant fired him. Everyone gave Don the-boot. Fighters only worked with him as a last resort. Emanuel Steward and other trainers despised him.
The 40s and 50s are Gone-Don, and so is little Marciano!
Joe was my home town boy .how could rocky beat him?I was so mad at joe for loosing .I still cant figure out what rock was made of.Give respect!!! I've learned to love the rock.All heart!!
It's called "Jiff" peanut bitter, not "Jiffy". Always was.....
Both these fighters were great boxers on their time..things are much different in modern times...Athletes are much better in 2022..Even the great boxers of the toughest Era, ( the 70s) were way better than these old timers..Tyson would have beat both of their A** in his prime...in fact, on my opinion, Mike could have beat both their A*** in the same night! All Mike Tyson would have needed would be about a 45 minute water break , then take the toughest fighter first,( Marciano) then go back into the ring and beat Marciano's Butt..all on one night!
That power from Walcott. Great fight. Legends both.
Um, he was knocked out. So his alleged power was irrelevant.
@@heyheyhoho6986 just like you.
Every champ fights their fare share of tomato cans. But nobody, and i mean nobody, fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as Marciano did. It's no joke, do the research. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
Archie Moore had his first fight in 1935 against Billy Sims. His 2nd fight was against 148 lb welterweight 'Kid Pocahuntas', Archie weighed 148 also. Moore slowly worked his way up to the 160 lb middleweight division. He finally attained the 174 lb light-heavyweight championship after 17yrs in 1952, and he held that belt till 1962. So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15 lbs,, lose 5 to 15 lbs) the Heavyweight division for 10yrs. Moore already had 20 years and 178 fights before he fought Marciano. Both Moore and Charles attained their HOF status as light heavyweights not Heavyweights. Y'all really believe it was a glorious feat to win against blown-up light heavyweights and washed senior citizens?
He never lost because he fought old used has-beens and his Italian mafioso cousins served him hand-picked bums on a silver platter. When he saw young speedy-fast Patterson and monster Liston climbing the ranks he suddenly made excuses for his immediate departure. Gotta give it to him though, he entered boxing just at the right time. Nobody worth a damn to fight.
Rocky was great for his time but that was 3 generations ago. Today's Heavyweights average 250. Joyce and Fury weigh 270. Rocky only weighed a-buck-85 with dwarfism-arms.
It's a known fact that Patterson's manager, Cus D'Amato (later of Mike Tyson fame), avoided fighting Rocky cause he knew Patterson would get killed....As for Liston, he was up and coming and didn't break into the ranks yet.
Back when champions were undisputed.
This was Jersey Joe's finest moment. Faced with the strongest bruiser the heavyweight division's seen in years, what does he do? Stand, trade and just straight up fight. Being champion of the world just makes you want to prove that you deserve the title. Jersey Joe, Arnold Cream really deserved to be champion, even if it was only a short reign.
Jersey Joe beat Joe Louis in their first fight according to virtually everyone but the judges. The reason Walcott got KO'ed by Louis in their second fight is in part because of how the scoring went in their first fight. He was not so sure the judges would not screw him over again though he was ahead in scoring going into that fateful eleventh round.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
"Marciano was never among the top boxers of all time in terms of skill, speed, or power, but he knew how to use the skills he had developed and his fans recognized his grit."
Skehan, Everett M. Rocky Marciano: The Biography of a First Son. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1977
Thank you for sharing this bout! Walcott will have a rematch vs Rocky, losing it in less than 3 minutes then retire.
The punch from Marciano would have finished off any fighter in history.
100 percent true he hit him so hard he got punch on the hardest hitting board
Ali says marciano could beat em. Styles make fights. I cant see rocky beating liston or foreman though.
Except for Larry Holmes. After the bomb he took from Shavers, I think he could have withstand everything.
Bullshit, Marciano beat old past their prime fighters and bums nobody ever heard of. He wouldn’t beat Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson, Earnie Shavers, Big George Foreman, Sam Langford, Jack Johnson, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Larry Holmes or a prime Joe Louis. Marciano is the most overrated boxer in history.
@@bossplayermfs5972 Preach
Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
Beth Taylor Clarke, listen how big his fists were!!!
Agreed on Liston. So sad he had to take a dive in the early 60's vs Clay - (Ali) with that phantom punch in the early 60's. The Mob made millions.
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking.
1962:
In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40
boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the
#1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis
2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th.
1971:
In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most
famous historian and also editor and founder
of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the
all-time 10th greatest Heavyweight champion.
1998:
Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever.
2005:
We float around to 2005, and in 2005,
Marciano was named the 5th greatest
Heavyweight of all-time by the
International Boxing Research Organization.
2007:
In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind (in order) Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Jack Dempsey.
2023:
We skip to the modern day,
and somehow he's been
bumped up to 3rd.
Will he one day be
greater than Ali???
It's easy to see little Rocky's progression. The key is understanding *why?* Despite his perfect record against the weakest 'Heavyweight' division of all-time, Marciano was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 60s. So why did he climb from *10th* in 71, *6th* in 98, to *4th* in 07? Becus the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 72. They all started passing away including Rocky in 69. That's when his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, little Rocky was extremely famous to Italians throughout the upper east coast but that was about it.
*After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where he could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease. Little Rocky was so awesome that Don Turner said, "Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the first round."*
*Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*
Are you okay with all these post ? lol
@@johnsononey perfectly fine.. thanks for asking lol
You got a good point there.
The man never lost. Enough said.
@@geraldseckeler27 Never lost against who??? Middleweights and Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Are you proud of that???
No fighter on the planet would have beat Jersey Joe that night except Rocky Marciano. Joe fought great that night. Rocky was indestructible!
Wow... in awe...
Real fighters fighting real fights.. hard days