Mormon Missionary Speechless (Walks Away)
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Jeff Durbin confronted a Mormon missionary outside of the Mormon temple in Mesa, Arizona, during the most recent 'Christmas Lights Celebration'. Pastor Jeff asks the missionary if he believes that he will become a god one day. The missionary said, "Yes". What follows is important for everyone to see.
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Wondering if Jeff will respond to the UA-cam video titled: Jeff Durbin gets destroyed by facts and logic? By the way, has Jeff ever actually debated a known LDS scholar or are all the video of him getting into it with 19 year olds and lay members?
@@SacaPuuntas LDS 'scholars' think that they will become a god one day as well.
@@estherlewis7458 We believe that we (you) are truly sons and daughters of God. And as sons and daughters, our Father wants us to be with Him and Like him. HE wants us to inherit all that He has. There are biblical scriptures that attest to this that I hope you take time to take in. Romans 8:16-17, John 10:33, Matthew 5:48, Revelation 3:21. Godspeed!
@@estherlewis7458 FYI. I got an email saying you replied to my last comment but I don’t see it. Didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you.
@@SacaPuuntas No one is born a child of God. Everyone is born spiritually dead in their sins, children of wrath, children of disobedience and without hope in the world. Ephesians 2
Our sins separate us from an infinitely holy and righteous God. Isaiah 59:2
John 1:12 But as many as receive him to them gave he power to become sons of God.
Latter-day Saints mock Jesus Christ and say he is a created being the brother of Satan. It is blasphemy of the highest order and will not be forgiven. That is why they are not children of God.
John 10:30-33 Jesus Christ claimed to be God. How did you miss that part? 😔
Satans oldest lie: "you can become gods"
By your reckoning Jesus is a liar??? Just like this judgemental preacher you lot think you know everything but don't even know the bible.
Psalms 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
@@Apbt-rv7zw How is he judgmental???
@@Jedi_Are_Scum The preacher asks the Missionary where is it written that we can become gods?
Jesus spoke Himself and said in Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34.
The Preacher not knowing the scriptures, then passes judgement on the Missionary to repent for having a belief that is scriptual and spoken by the Messiah our Lord and Redeemer.
I would have thought seeing the condescending attitude of judgement this preacher has was self evident.
@@jacobschwartz2968 Elohim in the Hebrew is Gods/gods plural.
Elsewhere in the bible there are different terms for Kings, Rulers, Emperor etc.
Elohim is reserved specifically Gods/gods/deity
@@Apbt-rv7zw Psalm 82 does not say you can become a god. It says ye are gods.
If you are a god where do you live so I can come and worship you?
Ez 28 Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God,
I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas;
yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
You planted the seed. He will be in deep thoughts about this
This dude is a flunk...him and his camera crew walking looking for challenges and degrading other religions instead of sharing the word of God to those in real need...
@kristen.mariex u have no idea what mormons believe and yes I was a mormon but I know the gospel they teach.....13 articles of faith chapter 1; We believe in God, the Eternal Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
I wish you all will actually get to know a mormon....just like any other religion there are wolves in sheep clothing....
Amen.
@@MariaSilva-hv5dw it's a church problem, not a people problem. I'd say most mormons are absolutely wonderful people, they just get fed disgusting lies and some people really take those lies to heart
It’s not actually that hard to leave a missionary speechless, they are 18 years old
Even still, he refutes the doctrines they were steeped in from the time they were small children.
Exactly, they shouldn't be preaching, they should be studying. A church that sends out 18-year olds to preach in its name and in God's name can not and should not be trusted.
They go through a year of training alone. Mormons have a mass conversion plan. Know your scripture. Jesus knew people would try to distort his father’s message and planned accordingly
@@JuanLagunas0 bro I’m agreeing with you. I said a year minimum
@@JuanLagunas0 Juan, I would just like you to know that the church you love oh so much hides many, many things from you. They teach compassion, but will not open their doors to the homeless during these cold winters? Because you plan to go on a mission, I will give you information that is directly going to affect you. Many missionaries get assaulted, mugged, and attacked during their missions. You would think that with that happening, their parents would be made aware of this happening. Do you know what actually happens? They are directly told to NEVER tell anyone what has actually happened on their mission. Why do all missionaries only send letters that are positive? I'll tell you why, because they are not allowed to send any information about the scary assaults they typically experience. They hide many, many things from you.
One of the prophets once said that god told him humans will never touch the moon. As you know now, humans have indeed touched the moon. So tell me, why was he wrong? Is it that god lied to him? No, of course not. You know god would never lie right? So then, surely the lie was from the prophet. Another prophet said that african americans will never receive the same rights because god does not view them as human. Was this prophet correct? No, as we know, he was not. So why are we believing these prophets who claim they speak from god? To believe god has lied would be silly right? Of course the prophets were the liars. So then.... why is it "prophets" who have been proven by history to have lied about what god has told them, why is it that they are controlling what you are taught in church? How are you meant to know that any of what you have ever been taught in this church is true, when you are being taught this by a human - a human fully capable of lying to you. While your religion may not be fake, while your god may not be fake, there are many, many corrupt liars who exist in your religion who care more for money than they do for people. Did you hear that the church spent billions of dollars on an industrial facility, with tithing money? The reason why they've bought a military industrial facility is unknown, but the bigger quest is - "Why is that money not being spent on members? To help people in need? To do kind things, such as what the bible teachers?" Do not fully believe the people in your church, for they are man, and they are fully capable of lying. The devil disguised himself as a snake to trick Adam, an evil person can disguise themselves as a prophet, a bishop, or a church leader, and they can trick you.
Eh, missionaries are easy prey. As a seminary teacher I spend four years trying to get these young men to pay attention and get off their phones, and the truth is 95% couldn't care less about learning the gospel until about a month before their missions. That gives them about a month of seminary and three weeks of the MTC - where they only learn the most basic doctrines of the gospel- before they're sent out to be lambasted on youtube. I'd be a lot less fun for Jeff, but I'm also a lot more up for the challenge, so I'll take a swing at it.
First, this is a super deep dive topic. Meaning the only place you can find it is not from the pulpit numerous times but from a funeral more than 150 years ago. We define our official doctrine as anything that is taught collectively and continually by the twelve apostles and first presidency. So our views on theosis wouldn't even be considered official doctrine. Having said that, just because something isn't official church doctrine doesn't make it false. I'm someone who wholeheartedly believes that we can becomes gods and my belief doesn't even come from Joseph Smith. It comes from the New Testament.
Before you say that's impossible then explain C.S. Lewis. Was he not a Christian? He didn't need to read the Book of Mormon or study teachings of Joseph Smith to form his beliefs. What about the entire Eastern Orthodox church? They believe in theosis. Is that because of Joseph Smith? Do they need to repent? Are they not Christians? You see, this isn't a "Mormon" thing. Jeff asked the missionaries something like "do you not believe Jesus when he says ______?" Well, I can throw the same question back at Jeff... in Matthew 5:48 when Jesus commands His followers to be perfect even as their Father which is in heaven, the Greek for perfect does not mean "without sin" (thank goodness or we'd all be in big trouble) It means "complete/fully developed." Does Jeff not believe Christ? Does he not believe that God is all powerful? Or is it that God is all powerful just not all powerful enough to help His children become like Him? Why don't you believe Jesus, Jeff?
How about John 10:34-36 which echoes of Psalm 82:6...Ye are gods...does Jeff not believe Christ there. Christ doesn't correct that statement by the way. He uses it to say listen, if you're gods for receiving his word than why do you call me blasphemous for saying I'm the Son of God?
How about the voice from heaven at Jesus' baptism? How about Jesus talking to the Father on the cross? How about Jesus talking to the Father in Gethsemane? Isn't Jesus a god? isn't God the Father a god? Isn't that two beings? This is where Jeff has to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to make the scriptures work. "Jesus was there but not there...Jesus' will was to not suffer but Jesus' other will was that he does suffer....Jesus forsook Jesus on the cross..." hurts your head just to defend the concept of Jeff's version of monotheism. In other words, Jeff's view of what Christianity should be makes it so Jeff is left defending monotheism rather than the word of God. He has to ignore certain scriptures to make it all make sense. I don't. Here's my response to the scripture Jeff used: Christ is clearly alluding to the Ten Commandments which say that we are to have no other gods BEFORE Him. He could have just said there are no other gods so stop worshipping them. This scripture doesn't say there are no other gods, it's saying they're worshipping other gods before God and are breaking the commandment.
I appreciate Jeff's heart, but if you want to have an actual discussion to see if there is any merit to another faith's beliefs, how about arranging an actual conversation with someone who has actually studied the topic at least as much as you rather than catching some 18 year old kid off guard at night with a question you know he hasn't prepared for? Is it really about helping Latter-day Saints or is it about getting the most likes and subscribes? If it's the latter, good on you. But if you sat down with me, I'd have three times as many scriptures from the Bible that'd make you feel this uncomfortable as you tried to explain them.
Hahahah thanks for that! Was a fun read!
Couldn’t have said it any better. I’d love to see you be in one of his videos, or even better the prophet!
I think the experience for the young missionary builds character, and I am sure that missionary will study harder. And it helps him remain humble to have experiences like this. None are acceptable before God but the meek and lowly of heart: Moroni 7:44. Either way the missionaries are great and the companion was wise and saw that there was no need to confront Jeff he had nothing he needed to show Jeff.
"I'm someone who wholeheartedly believes that we can becomes gods "
Catholic teaching is consistent with scripture: _“The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods” (CCC 460)._
Restated, we become sharers in the divine nature. Articulates one Catholic website well: _The idea of sharing in the divine nature means we share what philosophers and theologians identify as God’s communicable attributes (goodness, holiness, and love) as opposed to his incommunicable ones (omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, and absolute simplicity). This participation in the divine nature is commonly referred to as theosis or divinization._
The same article says: _According to the original Greek of St. Athanasius, from which the Catechism quotes, the phrase, “that we might become God” is better translated as “that we might be deified.” The Greek word for “deified,” theopoiethomen, has the connotation of participation in rather than becoming God_
Funny how he pulled the “the Bible has been translated many times” card lol
He definitely was using a lie for a refuge. But he's not alone on that part
its not a card. it is a truth. translations and additional words added to fill out the pages is a truth man does not wish to understand or take note of. if you can not read greek then you are hoping white men translated correctly.
@@MultiMagnis negative you can translate it anywhere and it will be the same message there are different versions but the SAME MESSAGE
@@aaliyahwright8284 actually it won't. Translations from one language to another always has gaps and short coming. You would know this if you went online and translated from one bible to another. For instance no where in the original text of the king James does it say homosexual or heterosexual. No where. Also the common word or tongue of British english is not used the same as american english. If you ever had a language class you would know this and understand this. Each language can have common words but not the whole sentence will be the same or said the same or have the same context. Nice try though.
@@MultiMagnis of course its different words why do you thinks its called a translation its used to help people who don't understand the texts that's given to them. so they translate it , different langues talk completely different then what IS taught so what you're being taught in your little classes isn't completely accurate either take Shakespeare as an example "thou" means "you" in English it THE SAME MESSAGE IN DIFFERENT WORDING
Also, prove to me that in the (kjv) they don't talk about homosexuality.
God saved me from 35 yrs of Mormonism and brought me into the most incredible relationship with Him. I was lost but now am found. I was blind but now I see. Praise God.
Powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing.
Even after all of the chiasms found in the Book of Mormon, you left? I don't think a Joe Schmo could pull that out of his seer hat all by himself.
@@Ether-pb5gb what about all the contradiction that exists just between the B/M and D&C that leaves one wondering which book is the most important that you trust one over the other?
A light bulb can't be ON and OFF at the same time, it must be one or the other. The problem with B/M and D&C has the problem where the lightbulb is on AND off at the same time creating so much confusion.
For example: Who was tempted by Satan in the garden?
The Bible tells us it was EVE that was tempted, which corresponds to 2 Nephi 2:18 “Wherefore, he said unto Eve, yea, even that old serpent, who is the devil, … Partake of the forbidden fruit …”
But according to D&C 29:40, 41 Eve is not mentioned.
We know Adam was NOT deceived because the New Testament gives us this info: 1 Timothy 2:14
It seems this contradiction would make anyone question the validity of the D&C book.
That is awesome!!!!
@Jayvc Trust the Lord Jesus my friend. You will serve a mission even greater than the one your earthly father wanted you to be a part of. “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26-27
I love how he’s not afraid to tell people to repent
Who? The missionary or the necio? Both called each other to repentance…
You need to repent Jac
for what?
@@usaforever8601 for sins. What you saying he's another Sinless Jesus Christ? Then you must be the same too then.
@@daixer3156 no, everyone sins, but just going up to random people and telling them to repent when they are doing God's work is a bit weird.
Keep in mind guys, this is an 18 yr old. He doesn't know everything, and they aren't really prepared for people specifically looking to degrade them
Well said
Degrade? He's directly confronting the indoctrination.
No degrading. This young man is out to recruit people into a cult. No one should get special protection from that.
I didn’t get a vibe that he was degrading him. I got the vibe he was taking it serious and was impressing that seriousness.
Telling someone the truth in a respectful way is not degrading them.
Jesus saved me from Mormonism. Now I walk in freedom, and rejoice in the Lord!
Jesus Is King ALLELULIAH my brother / sister ALLELULIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@lovereadingsnyc I am a sister. You too!!
And sanity saved me from christianity...gaymen...lol
Amen
Jesus Is King and surely His goodness and His mercy will follow you all the days of your life. Praise be to God Almighty!!!!!!!
the idea that a person can become a god, is an idea that comes *directly* from the devil.
Straight up 'Bino! Genesis 3:5 - "For GOD doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil". After 1st lying 2 Eve that they won't die, The Serpent tells them this. I find it so hard that Mormons, in their so-called diligent study of "the scriptures" cannot see the blatant, dissonant contradictions & question their beliefs. It breaks my heart.
Yes! You're right
@@seadawgg65 In the garden, lucifer told a half-truth. One thing he said was true, and another was a lie.
In Genesis 2:17, God commands Adam to not partake of the fruit, because "he shall surely die"
Genesis 3:4 is lucifer speaking to Eve, saying "You won't surely die" (here's the lie)
Genesis 3:5 is lucifer continuing, saying "your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (here's the truth; pay close attention to the word "as")
Genesis 3:22 is God speaking, saying "man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.." (God confirms the truth. Man did become "as" one of them, i.e. the gods).
It's important to note that adam and eve didn't "become Gods". That's not what the scripture says. They become "as" gods, or, put another way, the ability to determine between good and evil is a god-like attribute. Perhaps the process of becoming god-like started the day that Adam fell. Perhaps this is important to not only ponder if you are saved by grace, but if you are changed by grace as well.
@@dill-pickles1 - Genesis 3:22 KJV - And the LORD God said, "Behold, the man is become "as" one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree." - Yes, but, the LORD God said" "AS" one of us. It is not written "IS" one of us i.e. "gods". There is a difference, even The Serpent says "as" gods.
@@dill-pickles1 Spot on.
That poor kid. He knows. He knows he’s wrong and it scares him. 😖❤️
That’s why I hate religion:) glad u love it tho!
@@Tecom38415 A relationship with God's Holy Spirit in you is beautiful. Following a man or a book is wrong. We get to follow GOD the Most High directly.
@@JohnCephas are you saying we shouldn’t follow the Bible?
@@kareemmitchell7357 if you do you'll just be sitting there. Books don't move on their own. Holy Spirit does.
@@JohnCephas I think I see what you’re saying, but I rather not assume. I believe you’re saying that you can’t simply just read the Bible, although we’re instructed to by God himself, the prophets, and apostles. If that is what you’re saying, I agree, but the Bible is a gift of God to us, without it we wouldn’t know God as deeply as some of us do. Without the Bible, we wouldn’t even know who the Holy Spirit is, so it’s definitely very much needed still. But again, I agree mostly with what you’re saying.
It’s not very polite to walk up to a 18 year old missionary with a camera and put a lot of pressure on him on a random subject he may not know all the information of compared to someone else who does in his church. There are lots of misconceptions of their church and people who make “exposing” videos are very hurtful and misleading. Everyone in their own church has a certain knowledge of the gospel and everyone is different. We’re all human after all, some people just know certain topics or facts better than others just like in anything else in life. that’s why in the lds church there is 2 elders serving together one is usually more experienced and the newer missionary can learn a few things from and grow.
On a side note It’s a very courageous thing to take 2 years of your time to preach the gospel you believe in. if you want to have a productive discussion I suggest you don’t walk up with a camera and shame him for views, if you’re genuinely curious of what their gospel has to offer then just set up a time to meet up and they can talk with you here and there if you have any questions and if you’re willing to take the time to hear them out.
Hope this helps someone, don’t judge a book by its cover.
(Let alone a 1 & a half minute video on the internet) take care folks ✌🏻
I love how the Word of God silences lies
You silent fart. lol
ME TOO!
Ava TongaCooks are you ok?!
Lots of stupid things elicit silence .
Me too.
I feel bad for him, he is just doing what’s expected of him. God bless him.
I agree, I hope Jeff comes around some day.
2 John
9Anyone who goes too far and does not remain in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who remains in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
11for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
Bless these elders❤
Too young for that. His brain is not even fully developed yet 🤣mormon a joke. Gotta blame on their old folks sending out young man
True, it’s grilled into you by your parents and church from when your baptized. I would frequently get asked in high school “where I was hoping to serve my mission” like it was already set in stone despite supposedly being voluntary, though it’s not spoken directly it is made known what they think of people who don’t.
Noticed how he was confronted by a man with knowledge he froze knowing no scripture
They don't know any scripture. they rehearse speeches which include cherry picked scripture for the purpose of brainwashing.
@@firesondiego7666 Then, you agree that adults shouldn't be sending off children to teach biblical doctrine? You just confirmed the point to his post.
Most scholarly Christians agree that dinosaurs and hominids existed.
@@firesondiego7666 How have you surmised that the only way for dinosaurs to have existed is if it were before the creation of Adam and Eve? The bible mentions the Hebrew word "tanniyn" nearly 30 times. Research that.
@@firesondiego7666 No one made the argument the world is 65 billion years old. The bible must be ridiculous, because it mentions them nearly 30 times. Maybe you should learn Hebrew.
@@firesondiego7666 You haven't any idea how old the world is. Learn Hebrew which will teach you what tanniyn means.
He's an 18 year old kid. He's not gonna know everything.
I didn’t know Mormons believed they could become god
www.lds.org/ensign/1971/04/the-king-follett-sermon?lang=eng
The King Follett Sermon, one of the classics of Church literature, was given by the Prophet Joseph Smith at the April 7, 1844, conference of the Church in Nauvoo, Illinois. Some twenty thousand Saints were assembled. The account of the talk noted that it was the funeral sermon for Elder King Follett, a close friend of the Prophet’s who had been killed in an accident on March 9.
[...] I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.
*God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret.* If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible-I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.
[...]
Here, then, is eternal life-to know the only wise and true God; and *you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves,* and to be kings and priests to God, *the same as all gods have done before you,* namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming His name, is not trifling with you or me.
[...]
When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the gospel-you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave. I suppose I am not allowed to go into an investigation of anything that is not contained in the Bible. If I do, I think there are so many over-wise men here that they would cry “treason” and put me to death. So I will go to the old Bible and turn commentator today.
[...]
*In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted [prepared] a plan to create the world and people it.* When we begin to learn this way, we begin to learn the only true God, and what kind of a being we have got to worship. Having a knowledge of God, we begin to know how to approach Him, and how to ask so as to receive an answer.
When we understand the character of God, and know how to come to Him, he begins to unfold the heavens to us, and to tell us all about it. When we are ready to come to him, he is ready to come to us.
Now, I ask all who hear me, why the learned men who are preaching salvation, say that God created the heavens and the earth out of nothing? The reason is, that they are unlearned in the things of God, and have not the gift of the Holy Ghost; they account it blasphemy in any one to contradict their idea. If you tell them that God made the world out of something, they will call you a fool. /But I am learned, and know more than all the world put together./ The Holy Ghost does, anyhow, and he is within me, and comprehends more than all the world; and I will associate myself with him.
No it is written they beacome there own god on there own planet
+Michael Naughtin thats ridiculous
Satan convinced Adam and Eve that they would become like gods. God bless
Adam Smith was not a freaking great prophet. Jesus left towns with distinction because he spoke truth people needed to hear, rather they wanted it or not. Smith was just a dick people thought would never be taken seriously ever because he was obviously selling his book. He was the worst least profitable door to door sales person on earth. But a prophet? Come on
Mormons are making the same mistake Adam and Eve did during the 1st fall, you will become like a God knowing good and evil Genesis 3:5
Without the fall you wouldnt be here today☺
@@williamvatikani2770 Exactly, that’s what many people don’t understand.
That just blew my mind.
@@williamvatikani2770 exactly and you are not God and will never be a god, there can only be one God.
@@ChristianEvangelistJacobM Not true. Nice try though!
Such a well spoken guy. He knows how to talk to people
Who?
It would be nice if he also knew how to listen to people instead of waiting for his next turn to talk.
@@RatmanSays To be frank, wanting the powers of a god shows an eerie level of arrogance and psychopathy. You nor I nor anyone else in their extremely flawed judgement should be given those powers, let alone deserve them. And that king you alluded to, Jesus, along with our Father in heaven and the Holy Spirit, do certainly deserve the praise we give them. God gave us paradise, our salvation when we rejected that paradise, and the ability to communicate with Him while we wait for that paradise to return.
@@RatmanSays But also, you're right. This guy wasn't very kind. He needs to real in the sharp tone.
@@JackChatelle lol it has absolutely nothing to do with psychopathy. Unfortunately, people are taught certain beliefs when they are young and these beliefs can be pretty far out there. With that being said, psychopathy is associated with anti-social behavior, lack of remorse/empathy, boldness, etc.
he walks away because he has no time to waste with clowns.
My favorite comment.
I would encourage this pastor to share and argue a Latter Day Saint who is as educated in their own religion as he is in his. These elders have been taught simple doctrines of their religion in efforts to share them with others, but they are not educated in the way this pastor is. Please “pick on someone your own size”. I’d love to see that video. God bless.
He has several times and they don't even have it either even though they're smarter they're not well-founded either just here is using information that always refutes apologists of thiz cult. The so called "educated" mormons are just as stupid and ignorant and WILLFULLY DISHOESNT AND FORCEFULLY DECEITFULLY with all their sidestepping and deflecting and gaslighting they do. It exposes their brainwashing and desperation. So there's no point go to the active people like the "mission" kids and stop all them and slowly or quickly tear the moron kulllttt apart. Pardon I mean this satanic moron kulllttt apart.
There you go ma'am.
Then those missionaries should not be out recruiting for a cult.
The missionaries look for people who don't know scripture. The sheep far from the sheperd are not protected and are easy pray.
Christians plant seeds, we don't look for prey.
“Why can he (God) be something that we can’t become” - that’s exactly what got Lucifer condemned.
Idk if that’s correct but ok
@@cobyswitzer6846 read the Bible. It’s 💯 correct. It’s why Adam and Eve weren’t allowed to eat from the tree of knowledge. No one is capable of understanding as Our Father does. He is the creator and author of it all. Until you create the heavens and earth and every creature in it - you have massive arrogance to think you’re worthy of that kind of knowledge or power. It’s the worst kind of blasphemy out there & exactly what makes Lucifer evil to the core.
@@firesondiego7666 ever hear of the tree of knowledge and it being forbidden? Are you that arrogant that you think you could handle the knowledge Our Father has? We are not “gods”, there is one God.
@@firesondiego7666 where is that in scripture exactly? 😂 And yes, Eve took the fruit AGAINST Gods will.
@@firesondiego7666 you’re very correct we al can make our own choices. And yes, I could refute whatever Scripture you want to twist. May God show us both truth and give us the ability to call out falsehoods. 🙏🏼
Dude you did that so well, so calm & knowledgeable. I agree w/the comment about you planting a seed cuz someone’s kind words to me once led me to think, research & leave the Mormon church over 40 years ago. 🙏
So it IS possible!!! This gives me great hope as I’m loving on a couple LDS Elders. As long as they’re drawing breath, there’s hope.
You could have done it a lot but he could have said in other parts inside just Isaiah 43 which should be to the backlash and Reserve you should have quoted Ezekiel you should have quit Jose I should have quoted Corinthians you should have quit ask you should have quoted Thessalonians you should have quoted Revelations he should have called the Quran just to make a point that man is nothing upon nothing like a god in the least at least the least.
Father Jehpvah is an absolutely different thing and person and character and power than we mankind are.
you know that’s just a teenager they spent 1 month training and sent him out, he dosent know everything he’s just somewhat of a starting guide and you can find the answers to those questions yourself through the book of morman, the amount of hate is unreal, idk why religions can’t just leave other religions alone, whoever that guy is, he is just trying to make money off of all of you. everyone who commented hate are all stupid.
@@christiansmith6182 the bom fraud is no answer no no no answers at all what so ever lol.
@@christiansmith6182 you sound like a total idiot you're totally ignorant person because even experienced people don't have any answers they just sidestepping Eli or the ones were apologetics experience in your cult I've heard thousands of testimonies of people leaving it after 40 to 50 years in the cult and they never were told a thing even then they were suspicious back then because he knew things were a mess because they were lies darkness and Satanism in it left and right
Guy pulling him away..."He's making too much sense, we have to go". 😂
That’s exactly what he said. Good job
@@Awpos Yeah, no he didn't. I did. Clown. 🤡
What? He was already on his way to teach a lesson when he was stopped. His companion was doing the right thing by pulling him away so he wouldn't be late, mostly to keep from wasting time. The Spirit prompts missionaries to teach people who genuinely want to learn more about our church, not to argue with bible bashers like these.
I like the way you talked to him,very respectful, not rude like some of the other street preachers on UA-cam,maybe one day because of how you spoke to him he may dig into the GODs word and see the truth.
ZOAR Zoar well said
When I was in college (in the dinosaur days), there was a "fire and brimstone" preacher who would stand there and yell at people about how they were going to hell.
One day, a student walked up and said, "Do you know the Bible well?"
"I know it better than anything!"
The student said, " Then, can you quote 2 Timothy 2:24-25?"
The preacher admitted he didn't have all of it memorized and pulled out his Bible and began to read it aloud:
"And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness..."
The preacher realized he was being hypocritical by yelling at everyone else for not knowing the Bible. He actually apologized and thanked the student. It was amazing to see. 😊
Which shows he was a true servant but misguided. Always love when people can humble themselves and accept they're wrong.
@@MarvelGamer2023 I love that also. It is rare
@@vhagerty If you know your Bible, John the Baptist was known as a "wild man," for he often spoke loudly and boldly before the people to repent. Nice try.
God saved me from Mormonism after I prayed to Him. I asked for "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" to hear me. I called upon "The God of the Bible" in a sincere prayer. A few days later I came across Jeff Durbin on UA-cam, and that started a quest within me to search the scriptures as the Bereans did.
I learned that my heart is "deceitful above all things", and God's true word began to debunk all the falseness of Mormonism. Thank God, and thank you Jeff! I no longer fear the false prophet Joseph Smith's erroneous teachings.
You just went from one bad book to another man
@@victorr6391 it's win win. If I believe in God as I do, the outcome for me will be good. If He doesn't exist, I'll be in an eternal slumber. If I don't believe and He's real...that's not a risk I'm willing to take. That's what I call a safe bet.
@@maverickhunterx8533 i dont see how thats a win win. What if you believe in the wrong God? What makes you so sure yours is the right one? If you dont believe nothing happens yes thats it and its fine and if you do believe and he isnt real you just keep the lies alive for more generations to cling to that sounds like a loss
I have come to the realization that I'm doing the best I can with what I'm given. Since I was a young child, something about Jesus drew me to Him. Based on that, and reading the Bible, I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to be a Christian. I'm not worried about any other "god" at this point (If I'm wrong, I'll deal with that person then).
I can live with my decisions...if future generations of mine believe or not, I can't speak for them. That's on them, but I'm trying to set them up for a shot at being correct.
@@maverickhunterx8533 You know thats the most sincere and self reflecting answer about someones beliefs ive heard and i respect you for that. If you came to that conclusion yourself nothing i say will change your mind and i wouldnt want to since your living your life and as long as you dont force your beliefs on anyone else youre doing great. We may not agree in a belief of god, i used to be catholic but left after being questioned by a nonbeliever and not having the answers then reading the bible myself and seeing all the horrible things in it and its contradictions and just the overall pain religion has caused, but you are true to yourself and thats what matters
They say that the Bible had been translated many times.
There has been over 3k changes to the book of Mormon.
I will be an x Mormon.
I have finally realized and food my research on the religion. Not even close what I have been taught my whole life.
The Bible is my new guide to life.
AudiS4 Fastisgood Amen Brother!
Another Amen.
Mormonism is a cult right? How much truth is there in this: some of my relatives where supposedly mormon, will mormonites visit my grave to bless it when I die?
@@danquilty6580 don't worry about it, my specialty is islam but in a way its very similar. Both are cults. Only use the bible, when you are truly born again (you will know), God will help you on your way. I simply can't understand why anyone would join a cult. God of the bible wants worshippers in spirit and in truth, and isnt that what we are searching for when we proclaim our faith (the truth)?
They never teach you not to believe the Bible.
Believing that you can become your own God is a Satanic belief, not Christian.
Jeff approaches every conversation understanding how important the moment is and what is at stake.
Facts that’s why we have to be humble and meek.
Eternal life , that is
What is at stake is his soul, for he just passed up the only path to eternal salvation.
Much of what Jeff Says is easily rebutted. People lose sight that Jeff seems to only have these debates with untrained lay members of the Church. It would be nice to see him actually debate a known LDS scholar. There is a good rebuttal on UA-cam titled Jeff Durbin get destroyed by facts and logic if you are truly interested in the truth of what we believe. I’m not a big fan of the title but the content is very good. There are three videos, I recommend them all.
@@SacaPuuntas They have debated Mormons on their show that know their stuff. When it all comes down to it Mormons just like Muslims, Catholics, JW's, and Jews all take salvation in their own hand. We followers of Christ lay our trust at the cross and understand that only God can save us, and if even .000000001% of our salvation required us we would burn with the rest. You trust your works yet cannot keep from sin, therefore it isn't enough. God Bless.
Why would he (God) be something we can't become... Oh the pride of man kind, I thank the Lord I no longer long to be like the most high and I understand that the highest honor I can have is to be at His feet in worship. God bless my brothers and sisters in Christ.
If there is a god he should be at my feet as I am much more worthy than the god of the bible and so are you.
I would not condone genocide, kill children, kill animals, support slavery etc. I would not allow a rapist to rape a child and stand by watching without doing so. If I did that you would think I was a freaking monster, yet god apparently does it every day.
Be proud of yourself, you are likely a good and worthy person as our most and don't worship the god of the bible who isn't worthy to lick your feet.
Jason Smith um no cause god said no idols youd become his and thats a sin
*I would not allow a rapist to rape a child and stand by watching without doing so*
And yet, that's what we, as a society, do. WE allow these things to happen. Why should God swoop down and clean up OUR messes?
For example; these young men who are allowed to get away with raping young women, just because they are good in sports, or rich and priviledged.
We, as a society, allow this to happen all the time.
Don't put words in my mouth, ok?
Society has been walking away from it. And those who have money and power will always get away with it.
It’s very strange the whole I’m going to become God thing ... seems almost egotistical. Who they hell are we to think we could be like God ?! Lol that’s satan speaking in the garden
Thats how people interpret it, but the actually meaning is because we love God God made it possible to become like Him, we do that through first acquiring Christlike attributes. The most important being to Love God with all the heart, mind, might, and strength and the second to love your neighbor as yourself.
The New Testament and Early Christian teachings prior to Nicea dictated theosis. A Early Christian Father said, God became man to that man can become God” and Biblical passages support it and it makes sense, that if God is our literal father, what good father doesn’t want their children to improve and be like Them?
Almost as egotistical as how most modern christians see God. As some greek deity figure that wants us to sit around and blast trumpets and praise for eternity
When we become exalted, God will always be our king
@@johnlewis6526 amen brother. Theosis
@@mikemh6831 no. youve been decieved. the bible said there are no gods before Him and there will be none after Him.
He didn’t walk away speechless at all, he literally had to go he was ready to talk
No he was bumbling excuses the whole time and stumbling.
It's been translated so many times... So I'll add some cool stuff like becoming a god. Makes sense.
Steve H that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying that the Bible has been translated so many times that some stiff in there is bound to be false
No, the Mormon was doing the translation argument that they usually throw out first as an explanation. You’re good, Steve. We gotcha.
The one true Bible and God never ever said that we can become other God’s and that’s what Satan wanted to be and that’s why God threw Satan out from Heaven! The Ten Commandments clearly says that you shall not have any other Gods before me( God ) cause God is also a jealous God!
@@kennethneece240 Are you familiar with Mormonism?
@@Steve_1999 a little bit and I know that they believe that they can become God’s ( which is a lie ) and I have a dvd called “ the Bible vs The Book of Mormon “ which was put out quite a few years ago by ex-Mormons who have found the truth in Jesus Christ
I was born and raised a Mormon. I did love attending church but knew something was missing. I could feel it. I found Jesus on my knees at the floor of the Cow Palace in San Francisco, CA. I found what had been searching for nearly 19 yrs. I left the Mormon church. I found truth and Jesus and wasn't going to throw it all away.
Go back sister, you have not been there yet. You faith were tested and like many others like me had fallen away. Thru the mercy and grace of God I found my way back thru repentance. To be honest the church of Jesus Christ of Lattet Day Saints is true and Gods kingdom on earth. It us who failed, not the Lord or the Church.
@@tuerisenikuraciri9912 God said not to add to His word and the Book of Mormon does that. I know what I found and I'm not going back. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. Jesus is returning for His church, not Joseph Smith. I do not and will not put my faith in man.
@@melissamiddleton2135 thank you for speaking the truth
@@melissamiddleton2135 amen sister. For Jesus says
I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6 KJV
Hallelujah thank you Jesus 🙏🏽and not Joseph Smith 🥴
@@melissamiddleton2135 wow, powerful words from someone once trapped by the lies of men. Thanks for sharing this and shedding much needed light.
Keep on sowing your seeds for you never know which ones will grow, perhaps They all will.
“And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Satan still usin his oldest trick in the book.
Ouch, love hurts.
I wasn't feeling any love.
You can't feel love when you don't have the love of Christ inside you.
Your own organization teaches the Trinity through the books you believe:
2 Nephi 31:21
Alma 11:44
D&C 20:28
And yet, your organization will deny the Trinity because they don't seriously believe these books, only what the leaders of LDS will say despite contradictions. Here are more contradictions:
D&C 75:25
_"Behold, I say unto you, that _*_it is the duty of the church_*_ to assist in supporting the families of those, and also to support the families of those who are called and must needs be sent unto the world to proclaim the gospel unto the world."_
Is ANY money (not how much) given to EACH family for the boys to spend 2 YEARS proclaiming the gospel unto the world? I know for a FACT (not opinion) that the church spends ZERO money and the family must raise *ALL* the funds on their own. In order to just "ASSIST IN SUPPORTING" these families, each boy should receive at LEAST $6,000 a YEAR or $12,000 for the 2-year duration of their service from LD$ with global funding to be a minumum of $8 million a year.
This contradiction, not with the Bible, but LD$ published books that Mormons regard as true. Where there is smoke ... there is fire and many other contradictions can be easily reviewed.
We can finally say with valid confidence that contradictions in the books of Mormonism do exists and these should be carefully examined by anyone seeking TRUTH to know that LD$ is not a true organization.
This poor young man.
Who is this Jeff bigot?
Christ said, "Blessed are the peacemakers." It is sad to see so much contention and misunderstanding. @apologiastudios took advantage of a young boy. I would be more than happy to sit down and have a real discussion with them on live stream of what LDS believe. There is not a single doctrine or teaching of the LDS faith that can't be substantiated by an appeal to the bible.
The ignorance on this page needs to stop. People who claim that Mormons worship Joseph Smith or other men lie. Stop believing lies that other people have told you about the LDS faith. LDS people worship God only. We only pray to God. We believe that only through Christ can we or anyone be saved. It is by his grace.
As to the doctrine of becoming "gods," let me first ask you if you sincerely believe Christ and the bible? If I were to show it unto to you, would you believe it? Probably not. For those sincerely seeking the truth though, here it is from the Bible and Christ himself. The Jews sought to condemn and kill Christ because he claimed to be the Son of God. To claim he was the Son, made him equal with God, because it meant he would be an heir to God. His response to them is classic, because he uses the Old Testament Psalms 82:6, to not only answer that he was the Son of God, but to point that they themselves were sons of God, and thus destined to be gods themselves. "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scriptures cannot be broken." John 10:33-38. Those of you who have ears, let them hear.
Christ said, "Blessed are the peacemakers." It is sad to see so much contention and misunderstanding. @apologiastudios took advantage of a young boy. I would be more than happy to sit down and have a real discussion with them on live stream of what LDS believe. There is not a single doctrine or teaching of the LDS faith that can't be substantiated by an appeal to the bible.
The ignorance on this page needs to stop. People who claim that Mormons worship Joseph Smith or other men lie. Stop believing lies that other people have told you about the LDS faith. LDS people worship God only. We only pray to God. We believe that only through Christ can we or anyone be saved. It is by his grace.
As to the doctrine of becoming "gods," let me first ask you if you sincerely believe Christ and the bible? If I were to show it unto to you, would you believe it? Probably not. For those sincerely seeking the truth though, here it is from the Bible and Christ himself. The Jews sought to condemn and kill Christ because he claimed to be the Son of God. To claim he was the Son, made him equal with God, because it meant he would be an heir to God. His response to them is classic, because he uses the Old Testament Psalms 82:6, to not only answer that he was the Son of God, but to point that they themselves were sons of God, and thus destined to be gods themselves. "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scriptures cannot be broken." John 10:33-38. Those of you who have ears, let them hear.
I would be more than happy to explain or answer any sincere questions of the LDS faith-- and I will do it with just the bible.
The Book of Mormon does not teach that there is more than one God. It also does not support polygamy. These beliefs were introduced by Brigham Young after Joseph Smith’s death. This was proven in a U.S. federal court on February 26th, 1880 in Lake County, Ohio. The court ruled that the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was the legal continuation of the church established on April 6th, 1830. Joseph Smith designated his son Joseph Smith III to be his successor, not Brigham Young.
That’s very arrogant in it self to tell someone to repent because they believe in Christ. I’m a member of the church and I would never tell another person that he needed to repent because of his faith
When you worship an exalted man from another planet, you are an idolater. You are breaking the first and second commandments
When you deny Christ and say he is a created being the brother of Satan, you are a blasphemer. You are breaking the third commandment.
When you believe the first lie of Satan ' "Ye shall be as gods," you are a liar.
God commands all men everywhere to repent.
Come on as RM and as ex Mormon i know the church also trained the missionaries to tell people to repent, to rebabtized at the church even the people whose come to the lds they are already has their baptism, the lds church itself trained the missionaries to invite ask the people to repent, meanwhile no one see jesus, even the prophets today they are never seen Jesus or God, does the Mormons are the arrogance too??
Right? It doesn't matter which faith you have as long as you keep the covenants you make. Remember, in the Book of Mormon, at one point the Nephites were worse off than the Lamanites. Why? Because the Lamanites never made any promises with God, and on top of that, they were never taught the true doctrine. On the other hand, the Nephites who actually made the covenants with God were disobeying, being prideful, allowing Satan into their lives, etc., etc.
Jeff suffers from sola scriptura, a man-made, 16th c doctrine. He believes it gives him the right to interpret scripture on his own, decapitated from the faith from which it came.
A better question(s) that I would have asked, that Jeff is unable to ask, is
_Open your bible to the table of contents.
- How is it that you believe and trust that the bible's New Testament consists of 27 writings, no more, no less, out of 300+ early Christian writings?
- Do you believe the Holy Spirit (understanding we disagree on the nature of this) led Christians to know without error that only these 27 writings were the inspired Written Word of God, or did mere man on their own figure this out?
Hopefully he went home and read the Bible New Testament ❤️
I wonder where Joseph Smith lost those golden tablets...
Moroni said keep them under the QT
In my mind( and belief ) those golden tablets never existed and if they did exist they came from a demon called Moroni!
TABLETS. This just shows how much u are oblivious. Keep ur thoughts to yourself if u don't even know what they were or the actual proper name for them were.
@@the1theonly841
Hmm... Would calling them plates make them any easier to find? Apparently not.
This is the result of being prideful. We've been conditioned to believe what is desirable, not the objective truth. Therefore we must humble ourselves to the truth even if we dont like them.
Amen!
Amen
Once in confession I'm a Catholic I told the trees that I had started reading philosophy and it gave me many questions. He said that was good and to keep reading to go deeper and that deep truths would rise. I'm paraphrasing
Yikes the priest not the trees
@@laurencopenhaver5366 Confess and ask for forgiveness of your sins to God in the name of Jesus Christ. Call no man Father. Stop praying to Mary and Saints. Stop holding and wearing rosaries when praying. Get rid of your false Jesus paintings and figures. Flee the false teachings taught in the Catholic Church. You’re deceived by your Church just like these Mormons are deceived by theirs. I hope you leave your church and flee from everything unbiblical. Pray to God for help. Read your Bible and cut through all the lies you have been fed by your Church. I hope the best for you!
Everything you said was true, but please try to be more loving and not so aggressive
Honesty is loving...
It's sad how lost they are. Mormonism is all based on feeling and it feels good when you are surrounded by others that are like you. But the whole thing is a house of cards. So sad.
So he believes in things he cannot even defend? Just sad. Thank God you reached them; may the seed you planted in him mature and may he find Christ in His true sense.
They both believe in crazy stories anyway
BelleAfricaine no he believes in things that he won't be able to explain to someone who thinks that they have everything figured out, I don't like this preacher, seems to me he's got better things to do than to attack something he doesn't understand, and please, don't tell me that someone who has been Mormon for over 30, years doesn't know what he's talking about, and what he's willing to share, you don't cast pearls before swine.
BelleAfricaine faith is believing in things you cannot prove!
Latter-day Saints aren't brought up to argue with each other and poke at the supposed falsehoods of others. As missionaries we preach faith in Christ and repentance. Speaking if defending, you don't plan on telling me that there is a single Christian or pastor on Earth that can honestly defend the Trinity? I mean, Jesus praying to himself, really? Jesus saying on the cross "Jesus why has this thou Jesus forsaken me?" Or Jesus telling himself during his baptism " This is me, Jesus, and I am well pleased in myself"??? What kind of made up BS is the Trinity? Joseph Smith had it right. The father and the Son are two separate persons
Mormonism is super pathetic like walking a drunk retarded Seal trying to sing
When I was a child my friend from down the street gave me a book of mormon to read. Then a christian friend from down the street saw it in my room and basically started mutilating the book screaming at it. I was just like O_o
Oh My God I remember you!!!
@ImaNewOrleansSaintsFan I'm not trying to make them look like fools. You oughta repent for assuming. The problem is you think you know everything other people are doing without asking them what they mean.
@@OCDlosp you know, not everyone who wears a cross is a Christian. So, might I ask how you knew that friend was a Christian?
Almost as if all religious people are insane.
im pretty sure his mom said something like "if you read the book of mormon you will become a Mormon" because that is statistically true
All i see is someone harassing a young man who is more deadicated that you will ever be
proof or opinion? Without evidence, it's just sour grapes.
@@sevrinvorndran351 The book of Mormon is evidence, Read it.
Apologia’s tactics are among the weakest fathomable.
The young man only knows what he’s been told!
But I'm also sure that he and many others have at least tried to think about what's right for them while still pursuing faith in their works!
@@ToxicFangX1the only way to study the works of god is to go back to the old manuscripts and seek the evidence out, the root is the manuscripts. From that we learn that we are to follow the teachings as it is written in those original manuscripts and not follow anything that is outside the teachings of those very manuscripts, and this is why I love the catholic doctrine and not the Orthodoxy Mary veneration Jesus relagating sect.
@@Shsishsgsk So there can be no more words to add to our knowledge about the gospel or anything direct from God himself that is valuable of scripture? If God is our Father, he clearly won't stop speaking to us through more scriptures. If John 21:25 states that Jesus did more than just that written in the scriptures, who is to say that someone didn't write more than what we have in the translations today that were lost or were brought back up and we're treating them like false scripture?
Your accurate statement sums it all up. You are sooo correct.
Judge much. This "preacher" only know what he has been told to. He has no spirit in him during in this 90 sec.
+Meat Dude, I had a similar experience, except they got so upset by their own Bibles refuting what they were saying, they literally ran away without another word. I mean, they just turned around and stormed off my property. It was very, very strange. I never once said a bad word to them about their beliefs, and I never raised my voice (I dislike angry people), but I couldn't just nod my head and agree with something I know is unfounded by Bible teachings.
About two years later, two female missionaries came to my house, but they were so happy to see what I was showing them from their own Bibles that they were literally crying happy tears. "Wow!" was the exclamation they kept using. After about an hour, they asked me not to cut the conversation short so I could attend a funeral! They were so happy when they left. I was happy, too. The next time I saw them, they refused to acknowledge or speak to me. That hurt. I assume they took what they were learning to their superiors, who put a stop to it. I hope they're both okay. I wish those girls only the best.
+Coldandugly Now that's a story that speaks to my heart. Those female missionaries will always remember that you were kind enough to take the time to share with them something from their Bible, something that they definitely never saw or heard before. If they're asking you not to leave for a funeral, just so you can continue the conversation, you know what they learned from you and the Bible touched their hearts. Nobody can remove that seed from their hearts, not even their superiors. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks, man.
You tried your best, Cold And Ugly (cool name, btw). I was a missionary also, and let me tell you, that same scenario happens all the time. My companion and I were read the Riot Act by one of our superiors when news reached him that we were sharing with investigators what we were personally learning from the Bible (things that were in contrast to church writings). He didn't kill my joy. I doubt the girls in your story lost theirs either. They were just scared.
Dear Gorilla, we don't have our own Bible... We use the KJV of the Bible..all day, every day, Sunday school, scripture study, personal study, etc. If you have any questions for me...please feel free to ask and I will use the bible that you use to discuss any concern you have...If you used The Book of Mormon to prove something to the sister missionaries, please share it with me. One minute you said you used their bible, the next you said you couldn't agree with something that wasn't found in bible teachings... so, what exactly were you trying to point out to the sweet young ladies.
nannykiki in Moroni 8:18 it says Heavenly Father God is unchangeable. However, LDS teaches from the words of Joseph Smith that He is progressing. My dictionary says those things words are opposites. We have a contradiction between the BoM and LDS.
There are contradictions between the BoM and D&C as well. It comes down to which one is right and which is wrong. Which book is true and which is false. That is how contradictions work and the reason why LDS fails.
A grown man and a pastor with years of experience blindsiding a 19-year-old kid. Yeah, that's a fair fight lol.
The kids brainwashed. He got a wake up call. Or maybe not
Hebrews4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
why not come together on common ground, then talk back and forth on the details. Come on dude, I understand your trying to get views here, but there is a better way to reach people, then the first thing you say, did you know your wrong, and your going to hell. hahaha It wasn't more than 10-20 seconds in and bam, your wrong and I am right. Just think about your approach, you might have more success if you do.
What about psalm 82:6?
I'm not a Mormon but I kind of agree with what he's saying. I think God's eventual goal is to make us perfect and make us like him.
If
God is the source if all goodness
and
Humans are good
then is a bit of God in us?
hmmmm what you said reminded me of a scripture that says God the Father can give us all he have if we follow Christ. "All that the Father has."
if we can have all that the Father has... does that requires becoming like Him? If we need to become like Him does that means we can become god also.
i understand we cannot become gods in this life that is really not going to happen we cannot become god in this life ,but how about the potential of our spirits? Does not a Father wants the best for his children? If God is the Father of our Spirits does not God wants to give all He have to us . ...
Just my thoughts though you can bush me for sharring my feelings and thoughts.
TO BE LIKE someone is not the same as TO BE someone. If someone says you act LIKE your father does that mean that you are exactly the same as your father? No. It means that you are like him. You are human like he is. You are a male like he is. You may laugh, talk, have mannerisms like your father. But you two are still separate beings. The same is with us and God. Look at this:
God is a jealous God and does not want our attention on any other god but him
People (especially guys) get jealous when their girlfriend even laughs at someone else. Guys are just LIKE God.
God hates injustice, loves fairness and love, and wants everyone to take care of the weak, motherless, fatherless, homeless, poverished, widow.
People act just like God in wanting the same things. Cold hearted people do not act on them but naturally everyone wants these things because they are just like their Father. They are just like God.
God shows us that no love is greater than to lay down your life for another. He sends His Son to do just that for all of humanity to show that he loves all people greatly so that all who hear the gospel and believe may be saved.
People act just like God in this way too. A mother will die for her children. A father will die for his wife, children, his solider comrades all because the love them and they sacrifice their life so that their children may live or friend, wife, etc.
I could keep going but where do you think we get these mannerisms from? God our Father. No other species or creation ACT LIKE God. But us. In Genesis God only said to make man in OUR image and OUR likeness. He never said that when He made everything else. Humans were always special to God.
Hope this helps. Much love and God bless
I like it how grown men try to argue with 18 year olds
I like it when morons are arguing mormons.
These young missionaries have more courage sharing their beliefs in the face of manipulative adults than the grumpy men harassing them…
Lol they learn under a cult. He’s not being manipulative. He’s teaching them that they have been falsely taught their whole life. The Mormons supposedly believe in both their book and the Old/New Testament but their book contradicts the words of God himself.
@@memesouls8653 I know I'm not one to argue or bash, but genuinely, what is the right way? How do we achieve salvation? Why can I be baptized into different churches and be taught different things about salvation. Does that mean they are all different and only 1 can be right? If so, which is it that can baptize with the correct authority like Jesus Christ and John the Baptist baptized?
@@ToxicFangX1 Well Baptism is more of a side issue within the Christian world. Some believe you need it, others don’t. Jesus said in the Bible that Salvation is achieved through him and him alone. I tend to stick to what the Old and New Testament teaches and don’t get sidetracked on what other expect me to believe because they say so. Just trust your relationship with God and he will answer your prayers.
@@memesouls8653 Gotcha, but what about this scripture?
Acts 2:38 (KJV): "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Shouldn't we be baptized like everyone else? Even Jesus Christ was baptized.
@@ToxicFangX1 baptism IS essential. Jesus said a man MUST be baptized to enter the kingdom of God. And by the proper authority.
This is the problem I have with Christians they jump on everyone who has a different belief with this pretentious "teaching " and this "prove it" prove it to me right this second. Then the Christian walks away with "ya I got him I'm right" congratulations is this how you witness? Lol
I'm agnostic, raised as a Lutheran... Mormons are crazy.
He brought up that the Bible has been "translated several times" as if that justifies him thinking he'll become a God of his own world someday... Lmao
He's saying that some things in the Bible have been changed because it's been translated so many times so it could be wrong
Cat gods real matey fly into it
Cat....excuse me but if you have everlasting life...you are immortal..and an immortal by definition is A God...not The God but a God. So be an antagonistic person if you wish that is fine, but at least use an argument that makes sense.
His mythology might be correct maybe your mythology is correct or maybe both mythologies are incorrect
The Devil's Advocate You are are a genuine moron!
Well done. Praying for that kid.
Spot on
*Restoring Biblical Truth:* John the Baptist referred to Christ as a man: “This is he of whom I said, After me cometh *_A MAN_* which is preferred before me: for he was before me” (John 1:30).
The apostles referred to Christ as a man after his ascension into heaven: “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, *_A MAN_* approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know” (Acts 2:22).
“Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by *_THAT MAN_* whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead” (Acts 17:31).
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, *_THE MAN_* Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
“For *_THIS MAN_* was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house” (Hebrews 3:3).
“But *_THIS MAN,_* because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood” (Hebrews 7:24).
“For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that *_THIS MAN_* have somewhat also to offer” (Hebrews 8:3).
“But *_THIS MAN,_* after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God” (Hebrews 10:12).
We also read in Philippians 2:8-9 that Christ was “found in fashion as *_A MAN”_* and that God *_“EXALTED HIM.”_*
The Prophet Joseph Smith said, “God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.” Jesus Christ himself said: “The Son can do nothing of himself but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son and sheweth him all things that himself doeth” (John 5:19-20).
You might want to read that again. Christ clearly stated that he cannot do anything unless the Father has already done the same thing, and Christ stated that his Father showed him “all things” that he, the Father, has done, which means our Heavenly Father “dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.”
And since Jesus Christ was in the “form of God,” when he took upon him flesh to become a man, and was then “exalted” to sit down at the right hand of the Father, then God is clearly a MAN who is “exalted.”
The Biblical scriptures cited above prove without a doubt that: “God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man . . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did” (Joseph Smith, the King Follett Discourse, April 1844).
Joseph Smith never said or implied that God was at one time “sinful.” Joseph Smith said that our Heavenly Father “dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did,” and we know Jesus Christ led a sinless life so that, as the Son of God, he could atone for the sins of man.
Christ was once as we are now. He was “perfected” on the “third day” (Luke 13:32) and rose from the dead with a glorified celestial body. He is now seated in heaven at the right hand of the Father. Our Heavenly Father did what Jesus Christ did, and our Heavenly Father led a sinless life when he dwelt on an earth. Yes, all the Biblical scriptures cited above tell us that “God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man.” If you skipped reading any of them, go back and read them all. It is, after all, the Bible.
And 1 Peter 5:6 states: “Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God that he may *_EXALT YOU_* in due time.”
*The Restored Gospel Clearly says Jesus Christ led a Sinless Life*
Joseph Smith stated that Jesus Christ “had no need of repentance, *_having no sin,_* according to his solemn declaration to John:-now let me be baptized: for no man can enter the kingdom without obeying this ordinance: for thus it becometh us to fulfil ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
The Book of Mormon states: “And now, if the Lamb of God, *_he being holy,_* should have need to be baptized by water to fulfil all righteousness, O then, how much more need have we, being unholy, to be baptized, yea, even by water” (2 Nephi 31:5).
The Book of Mormon also states that Christ “suffereth temptation, and *_yieldeth not to the temptation,_* but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people” (Mosiah 15:5).
“Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the *_Holy Messiah;_* for he is *_full of grace and truth”_* (2 Nephi 2:6).
In a revelation through the Prophet Joseph Smith, Christ said: “Listen to him who is the advocate with the Father, who is pleading your cause before him-
“Saying: Father, behold the *_sufferings and death of him who did no sin,_* in whom thou wast well pleased; behold the blood of thy Son which was shed, the blood of him whom thou gavest that thyself might be glorified;
“Wherefore, Father, spare these my brethren that believe on my name, that they may come unto me and have everlasting life” (Doctrine and Covenants 45:3-5).
The Doctrine and Covenants also states: “Wherefore, the Almighty God gave his Only Begotten Son, as it is written in those scriptures which have been given of him.
*_“He suffered temptations but gave no heed unto them._*
“He was crucified, died, and rose again the third day;
“And ascended into heaven, to sit down on the right hand of the Father, to reign with almighty power according to the will of the Father” (Doctrine and Covenants 20:21-24).
Among statements by the prophets and apostles that have led the Church are these: “If it were not for the perfect, *_sinless_* life of the Savior, which He willingly laid down for us, there could be no remission of sins.”
“With His divine sonship, His *_sinless_* life, the shedding of His blood in the Garden of Gethsemane, His excruciating death on the cross and subsequent bodily Resurrection from the grave, He became the author of our salvation and made a perfect Atonement for all mankind.”
“Were it not for the blessed gifts of repentance and forgiveness this would be a hopeless situation for man, since no one except the Master has ever lived *_sinless_* on the earth.”
“I speak of Mary of Nazareth, espoused to Joseph, destined to become the mother of the only *_sinless_* man to walk the earth.”
“To the duty designated by his Father, he turned his face, pledged his heart, and gave his life. And what a *_sinless,_* selfless, noble, and divine life it was. Jesus labored. Jesus loved. Jesus served. Jesus wept. Jesus healed. Jesus taught. Jesus testified.”
“We knew we would sin and make mistakes-perhaps even serious ones. But we also knew that our Savior, Jesus Christ, had pledged to come to earth, live a *_sinless_* life, and voluntarily lay down His life in an eternal sacrifice.”
In “The Living Christ,” which was signed by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles on January 1, 2000, it states, “Though *_sinless,_* He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness.”
Joseph Smith’s translation of Hebrews 7:26 reads: “And not as those high priests who offered up sacrifice daily, first for their own sins, and then for the sins of the people; *_for he needeth not offer sacrifice for his own sins, for he knew no sins;_* but for the sins of the people. And this he did once, when he offered up himself.”
The incorrect translation of Hebrews 7:26 in the King James Bible states that Christ has committed sin. It reads: “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, *_first for his own sins,_* and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.”
The definition of Atonement in the LDS Bible Dictionary reads in part: “Jesus Christ, as the Only Begotten Son of God and *_the only sinless person_* to live on this earth, was the only one capable of making an atonement for mankind. By His selection and foreordination in the Grand Council before the world was formed, His divine Sonship, *_His sinless life,_* the shedding of His blood in the garden of Gethsemane, His death on the cross and subsequent bodily resurrection from the grave, He made a perfect atonement for all mankind.”
And there is the definition of Christ in the LDS Bible Dictionary, which reads in part: “He was born of Mary at Bethlehem, *_lived a sinless life,_* and wrought out a perfect atonement for all mankind by the shedding of His blood and His death on the cross.”
Yes, God is an EXALTED MAN who led a sinless life during his mortal ministry so that he could atone for our sins. Jesus Christ has restored his true doctrine in these latter days, and it all begins with reading the Book of Mormon. Contact The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the missionaries will bring you a free copy of the Book of Mormon.
Richard Jones, John 10:34 Explain, PLEASE!
You see, You can't pick and choose what scriptures you want to believe to build a man made practice upon. The spiritual TRUTH is one that most are afraid of and turn away from. Looking their thoughts and understanding to MAN and not unto YAH. The Mormon teachings, just as Christians, Jehovah's witnesses, Catholic, and all religion has placed a muzzle over the true spirit of the FATHER and went into teaching blasphemies. False prophets are at Large and most are cultured by religion. Man takes for himself his own life and teachings, being not of the FATHER in heaven. I say this sure to one fact, that nowhere in a Bible does it say to be associated, nor label yourself by a religious belief. But only to become a Child of GOD. When we all stop arguing RELIGION and put the one True GOD in our frontal, then and only then will the understanding of CHRIST or Lord be manifested in the body. Take another look at what the church is and the word of GOD. You'll be elated, only if you mean righteous intent to sell TRUTH and examine oneself.
sons of God, through marriage to Christ. (The only _begotten_ son of the Father)
Being a "son of God" is not like being God, not at all.
Lol you lost me at the end when you told the kid to repent. What a western evangelical mess.
Why would someone want to respond to such attacks on their beliefs?
God bless you Jeff
Interesting how the young man is called away by the others when Jesus and the Bible is being explained to him. Very, very telling.
That you are all insane?
It’s safe to say that most people have a built-in Compass that’s why they feel bad when they do things that are wrong. The word of God is easy to recognize because it’s pure having said that the church and religion. It’s very easy very easy to abuse power using the Bible. Just because there’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, doesn’t mean the church is corrupt. It just means the followers need to keep their eyes ears open and keep their brain working.
@@TheObserver37 "It just means the followers need to keep their eyes ears open and keep their brain working."
It doesn't seem to be working.
Provoking him…
Must have been a slow night.
“Pastor” Jeff isn’t enlightened, he just believes John Calvin’s interpretation of the gospel so fully that he thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to be a jerk.
Go back to the padded room in your mom's basement. If you think the calm, thought-provoking manner that Jeff addressed this elder is such that it makes him a jerk, even though you're well within your rights to believe he is incorrect, then you need some serious professional help.
Why would God send us here to get a physical body and go through trials and tribulations if it wasn't to become like Him? Something to think about.
It’s funny how the LDS church will punish members for reading “anti-Mormon” literature. As Christians we encourage people to read any and all holy books or otherwise anti-Bible material knowing that with God’s wisdom and a genuine willingness to know the truth, people will always find their way to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ that way.
I’m a Mormon, and we don’t punish members for reading anti-Mormon literature, we just encourage them to figure out what they believe for themselves, and I’m sorry if someone said that or made you think that, but we don’t punish members for doing that.
@@ponder2406 hey man maybe punishment is the wrong word (maybe it’s not) but you can certainly lose your temple recommend or be denied one for reading anti Mormon literature. And as you know exaltation isn’t possible without temple ordinances
@@bryanscottmills I agree, you can be denied it, but I’m just saying, we try to encourage people to do better. Also, I still respect your religion and your beliefs.
@@ponder2406 I have the utmost respect for Latter Day Saints as well. They tend to be good moral people. I just hope to help people find who I believe is the real Jesus and experience his grace. God bless ♥️
@@bryanscottmills I Agree completely👍. And same to you
But what about the mitoclorians!?!?!?!?
numberfreee I hate sand
Joseph Willes You were meant to bring balance to the Force! Not leave it in darkness!
“Physicist say the Cause of the universe would have been outside of space and time because it created space and time"
Physicist are saying that the details of the universe needed to so finely tuned on a razors edge for life to be possible.
One Cambridge Astronomer likens it of "getting all the parameters right of life in the universe to a tornado blowing through a junk yard and producing a 747 Boeing Jet”
AN Oxford physicist said “The difference you could have while still getting life is less that 1 part in 10 raised to 10 raised again to 123! If I tried to print that percentage out I could not do it because if I turned all the matter in the universe into paper I still could not do it because I would have far too little paper.” Those are the sorts of odds we are taking about if this universe is created by chance just by randomness.
Christopher Jordan what is the name of that “Oxford Physicist?” because he is incorrect, but I’ld Love to see how he came to that conclusion.
More then master yoda
"Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:4-5
Satan is such a deceiver. He is always telling us that we can be like God.
Wow. That seems to be exactly what that guy believes.
Exactly that's what Devils do
@@firesondiego7666 now the fall was an accident in supposed to be it wasn't planned it was Defiance against his plans God knew it was going to happen that doesn't mean he intended to happen whole point of the story is to show that they defy God's will he had to make a new plan to fix it
@@firesondiego7666 know what he said he said less than a half truth which was actually a lie in itself you're defending Satan saying Satan is good now you're a luciferian a Satanist a woman who is a Satanist exactly the same thing Mormons are satanists
@@firesondiego7666 but they did die they lost their eternal life
The Bible teaches that the Gospel is Jesus Christ Crucified, Buried, Resurrected on the 3rd Day according to the Scriptures. My question(s): what is the "restored gospel" ? Where is it to be found in the Book of mormon?
"So you disagree with GOD when He says ,my word will not pass away ? " GOOD ! POINT !
? What Christian disagrees with that?
Very impressive by the Christian
scott Vincent they both are who you talking about ?
ninja minga- well, they have incompatible ideas about the nature of God. You could define Christian as "a person who believes in Christ" which they would both profess to be, but they both believe in a different Christ. Since they believe in a different Christ, and Christ is central do their belief, then we can be certain they have different religions.
Tiara Johnson different Christ ? Are u Mormon?if not how do u know that Mormons Christ is different?
ninja minga- a lot of Mormons do believe the beliefs are compatible, but their doctrine contradict what the bible says. If you are interested, watch one of this guys longer convoes with Mormons. He points out interesting contradictions in them.
I can give some example if you like? And, no I'm not a Mormon, I follow the Jesus of the bible, the one who has always been and by whom everything was created. Are a Mormon?
I resigned my name 2 years ago and it was the best decision of my life
After going through a faith crises myself, one of the best things that I ever did was to actually learn (relearn) what faith is, what the purpose of life is, learn what repentance is, what the baptismal covenant is..... if you are ever open to learning with a fresh view what "Mormonism" is, check out the dozens of conference talks that Elder Anderson gives about faith.
@@Ether-pb5gb if you are ever open to learning with a fresh view what being a Christian is, check out:
www.cru.org/us/en/how-to-know-god/mormonism-to-christianity.html
or my favorite video:
ua-cam.com/video/r0mckI8Xfl8/v-deo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb the problem is, the doctrine of the LDS faith has been proven wrong and even the last two prophets have admitted to this. I was raised in the church and know the difference between what is actually false prophesy and just false claims against the church... one must tread lightly when determining the difference. I suggest only using the LDS doctrine its self and not arguing bible interpretations
Romans 8: 16-17. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
What does this mean? What's the purpose of this life?
"Be ye therefore perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect."
Pick on somebody your own size! If you want to bash let's bash!
But really that gets us no where, The Book of Mormon is true and you're just threatened by it's power. Always been prophets and the Lord always will. You can find it out yourself, read and pray.
You forget that it just defeats the whole entire premise of the Bible. That it's idolatry, becoming a god. Satan wanted to be God, decieved Eve into that. It just defeats the whole foundation of Christianity.
May we all pray for him.
may we just be happy and stop believing in reassuring fables.
Jeff? Sure thing
It's been five years. How many of your prayers were answered? Did world peace arrive? An end to hunger and rape? What exactly have you been praying for, for crying out loud?
I think it’s funny how he’s coming at missionaries that are 18-20 that even themselves are still learning I wanna see him meet with the prophet and do the same things
@Andy Perez prophet* and as in president Nelson
@Andy Perez I’m not too knowledgeable about the Bible so I would like you to send me a scripture where it Actaully says that, and if you can find one have you read Matthew 16: 18-19 where it said he’ll pass the keys to Peter?
@Andy Perez explain I asked you to pull up a scripture there will be no others prophets after Christ could you do that?
@Andy Perez I’d like for you to find it for me then if you are willing to. Send me the scriptures once and if you find it
Religion is just a word,all religions claim to be true so what's the difference? May 2021🙄🙄🙄🤣😅😁😥🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
The mormons believe in joseph smith the liar they need to trust Jesus of the Christ the way the truth the life and king of kings
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
Hebrews 1:1-14)
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Zechariah 2:10
10Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. 11And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
Jesus of the Christ the living God
Isaiah 44:6
6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
I genuinely feel bad for the guy. He seems like a nice guy and he is just being lied to and manipulated by his church. I hope he can find God one day.
And I hope rational thinking can find you one day.
@@thanksforbeingausefulidiot9016 your name checks out 😂
@@DaftSandwich I love how people like you totally miss the irony that my name applies to them.
They both are being lied to by their church. Jeff believes in calvinism, which teaches that only some are chosen for heaven, and that everything is determined by God including sin. Both men are wrong.
@@livingforjesus8551 Gotta luv the certainty and mutual cancellation by the believers on these topics. The day all of you Christians finally reconcile and figure out what the truth is, please let me know. I won't hold my breath. If only we had a God that intervened and revealed himself and told us what he expects of us, these disputes might be settled. It's almost as if "he" is not there at all...
There literally 18, 19 year old boys, that decide to move away from home to somewhere they have never been to teach about something that they grew up believing!
This is so rude! Don’t do this to these young men!
Jude 1:3
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”
Yeah 18 and 19 year olds, old enough to learn to be able to handle debates and disagreements that won't align with their beliefs. If they don't want their cute fantasy bubbles being threatened then they should've just stayed home
Tough! I'm 16 and am learning how to defend my faith. If they want to have it easy and not be questioned especially when there's literally zero history to back mormonism up, then they shouldn't try to convert people to their religion!
I was in Durango County jail when God told me the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is His Church. That was 20 years ago. I was in and out of institutions for 10 years, lost forever it felt like. I was asked to pray about the Church and the Book of Mormon while awaiting a prison sentence. God rescued me that night, and now I share my testimony freely and I live a completely different life. Jesus Christ is coming again let's all get along and glorify His name and be ready to receive Him when He comes.
Glad to hear you’ve been released from prison. That’s truly great. Do you have a response to Jeff’s question about Isaiah 43:10 in the video?
@@realitywins6457 reading it over. Could it be that Jesus Christ is applying this to himself as the Son of God? That God has had no Son before, nor any Son after? That the distinct role of Savior belongs alone to Jesus Christ? In the context of our world and our salvation as His children? I mean if you keep reading it doesn’t get into big picture rather it talks about the small details of their day, of Babylon. Are there not many gods and idols to worship at this time? So Jesus Christ reiterated His position as the only Son of God now or ever? Was he applying this to the whole universe and galaxy or to us?? If we apply it to the whole galaxy are we not adding scriptures to the prophecy? Honestly curious. Because in this scripture it is all historically speaking of the Israelites falling away from the one true Son of God. This is important because they were seeking a Savior? A messianic religious ruler? To this day actually. But Jesus defines himself as that Savior. The one and only. To take this scripture and then interpret it for your own points. To say. See Jesus said there has been no Gods before me, or will there be after and to completely ignore the context and fill it in with your own seems to make one guilty of the sin they are accusing this missionary of. Which is twisting the truth? Thoughts?
joseph smith jr.????
First of all, it seems like an unfair ambush. Where's footage of what happened before the video?
Yep. Trained reformed theologian whose profession is as a scriptorian leaves an 18 year old missionary speechless. Seems fair. *rolls eyes*
Jaxon Washburn I'm an engineering student at ASU and I could make any Mormon, catholic, atheist walk away from the truth. Truth talks, bs walks.
Michael Caddell That's a pretty neat statement. I live in Gilbert and would be happy to meet up sometime to test that. I am a Mormon myself.
Jaxon Washburn I would love to have discussion. After finals are over, we could meet up.
Michael Caddell Perfect. Just friend me on Facebook and we can make it happen. :)
Flaynk I happen to be an 18 year old Mormon myself about to be a missionary. #ignorance?
love this verse!
Hebrews 4:12 says "for the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of whom we must give account"
Once this pastor brings out gods word it's already over. Anybody that claims to believe in the bible should automatically throw away anything that contradicts the bible.
I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I have a question for you. Have you read the book of Mormon? yes or no
Personally, I believe the snake. The snake never tried to mislead humanity. The snake brought us truth- the power to separate good from evil. God wanted to keep that away from us, for some reason. Why, so we would stay wicked?
Thank you Satan, for standing up to God, even AFTER he turned you into a snake for something you might potentially do in the future. God killed billions and lied all the time. Satan killed nobody and never lied. Prove me wrong!
I feel so bad for this kid. He was most likely pressured to go on a mission. And now he's teaching lies.
is this actually considered “apologetics”? isn’t it actively defending your faith? this guy seemed to poking the bear.
i’m not sure if he’s actually doing what he thinks he is.
also how many people do you think beard guy tried to talk to before he got someone who actually participated in the conversation?
Mormon: “you’re wrong”
Christian: “you’re wrong”
Atheist: “you’re both right”
That poor boy is probably 18 or 19 years old and trying to spread the gospel, taking years out of his life (unpaid) to do so. It’s people like you who really de motivate people. God bless the missionary. Regardless of what denomination anyone is, the common feature is that you are all followers of Jesus. That’s all that matters.
So instead of confronting and starting war amongst Christians, try to stay connected
Mormonism is not Christianity.
@@mgd2000rb You foolish man. They're probably more faithful than you 🤣
@dhruvsaini781 I strongly encourage you to do some research into what Mormons believe. Mormons are Christians is an equivalent to saying Sonic is like Temple Run
I am a missionary myself, and I would like to say that your words are very touching. We made the choice to dedicate two years of our life to serving the Lord, and it is not an easy decision to make. If we can touch a few people's hearts, then that's all that matters to us.
@deinefunster190 , dude the scripture of the book of Mormon contradiction is very easy to spot if you read the bible you will catch it right away. They both are not the same.
So you stumped a young missionary. Good job! Totally proves nothing. As someone investigating multiple religious backgrounds and beliefs, I have seen so many people claim to be true Christians and possess great knowledge about their devoted faiths, but then feel so shamed when someone points out something in scripture that makes them question everything they thought they knew about their beliefs. Everyone from every religion gets questions that require further research and understanding. Everyone gets stumped when I ask certain questions about their faith. I’m convinced that there’s no religion on Earth that has every perfect answer, so it’s really nothing to get cocky about. He looks scared because you attacked his beliefs and he didn’t have a great comeback to your confrontation prepared. I doubt that the angry people in the streets with their pamphlets are more credible sources on religion if you are looking for Jesus.
Mormons dont believe that we will become god….what….
Mormonism is on par with Scientology
I feel sad for that young man. He knows nothing.... Yet deep down he must feel a gnawing discomfort convicting him of the absurdity in believing that he could be a god.
Maybe he just believes in Jesus and not you.
Psalms 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Is it really absurd to believe that an apple seed can become an apple tree? Really?
@@Apbt-rv7zw Or perhaps he's troubled by his own beliefs and the beliefs of Brigham Young being completely at odds with the teaching of Christ and the Bible...and that unlike Christ, this young man can never enter the so called 'celestial heaven' mormonism teaches of, because he is not sinless, and never can be sinless like Christ. There is only one God, who presents Himself in the Trinity of 3 persons... Father, Son and Holy Spirit... There is no God beside Him .... Nor will He tolerate any rivals as is the implication of mormonisms promise of godhood (all such other 'gods ' being anti-Christ). God/s and the sinless don't need a Savior nor do they need to strive under the burden of achieving perfection... or your celestial law.... But this young man certainly does need a Savior. You sir will never be a God... and your Bible text used to justify your claim to divinity is a hopeless and brutal twisting "out of context" of biblical hermeneutics and exegesis at a fundamental level. You cannot make a Theological doctrine of one text. Rather, you must attend to the context of the "whole" teaching if scripture and counsel of God's word, which ends at the book of Revelation. If you add your Book of Mormon, you imperil yourself to be a recipient of the plagues of Revelation. (Rev 22:18) And that is sound exegesis in context with the whole of scripture.
@@Ether-pb5gb Read my other comment to the gentleman above. Respectfully... your hermeneutics are worse than his. We are not talking about the "like reproducing like".... of part of the 'created' order. We are talking about the Creator... not the created (apple). We are talking about laying claim to divinity. You are using the simplicicity of an apple seed producing an apple tree to justify a biblical doctrine? Really? I'm not even gonna try to correct that error. It should be self evident. If you choose to believe a lie... and live in delusion ... that is your choice. But Mormon belief is at odds with the Bible and Christian teaching as given by the Apostles and tbe Early Church Father's long before Mr Brigham Young arrived on the scene with his 'new' revelation. I can only hope that if you will not check your belief like a 'Berean' to see if it is true according to the Bible in all it's context ... that you will at least go a little deeper than the worship of nature and reason (Max Muller & Immanuel Kant)... to prove truth. Perhaps you will consider an anthropological critic by Mormon Scientists who had to conclude that the so called Lamenites (ancient Hebrews) could not have migrated from Israel... The Mitochondrial DNA cannot lie... The North American Indians DNA matches with people groups from Siberia. The "like for like" match is indisputable. Therefore the so called Lamenites are not a lost tribe of Israel... All that mormonism teaches unravels with just a little investigation.
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@@Apbt-rv7zw I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Ez. 28 Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God,
I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas;
yet thou art a man, and not God,
He is just a 18 years old boy. He doesn't know a lot it's logical.. Thank you Jeff for the divine work!
He doesn't, but the Spirit does.
Telling another person to repent is comical. He that is without sin can cast the first stone…….. also this is sick. These poor boys leave their families for two years just to be harassed by some Idiot..
One of the earliest stories in the Bible tells of a people who decided they wanted to and could become like God. They banded together to make a tower, which in their great arrogance (and scientific ignorance) they believed would elevate them to the same level as God himself.
God did not look kindly on that. Whether by confusion in the language of the engineers, or by supernatural intervention, their community was destroyed and scattered.
God does not look kindly on people arrogant enough to think they can be like him. We were meant to be human, not gods.
Rubbish....that story is about daring to speak FOR God not BE God.
Sounds like Calvinism to me.
I hope he does explore that inconsistency in his religion and he can come to find the truth through it someday. Great clip.
It's not even the only inconsistency. The only thing consistent about the LDS church is the inconsistency.
All religions have huge inconsistencies
@@sdrrshock5594 religion was created by man. Jesus nor the Bible teach us to believe in religion. Both the Bible and Jesus told us to have faith in God and trust in Him alone. Man, religious leaders and organizations, are not the way. They should only provide structure and guidance, but their own pride turns them into false teachers.
Let's pray every Christian denomination do.
“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:4
What happened after they are the fruit tho? Keep reading.. lol
Satan's the ultimate deceiver. He's the father of lies. That's basically his second language. He wants to plant a diversion from the truth inside that young man's head, sad.
Satan is the father of lies. His nature is to lie. It's his first language.
The creator is always greater than his creation. Even God cannot make another God!
We have too high an opinion of ourselves as creatures. Does everyone realize that we cannot actually make anything? Everything we put together is make out of stuff that was already here that we did not make! We just re-make what God already gave us! But we surround ourselves with our "own" inventions and think we have done something awesome.
Everything we make with our own hands is dead!
Newsflash! If you ain't God now, you ain't never gonna be God! Fools! Wake up!
Joseph Smith,....a man, upstaging Jesus!?
There I'd ONE GOD and only one life...WE DO NOT BECOME GODS OURSELVES... that's pure blasphemy! Ridiculous.....and all who believe this....will NOT make Heaven.
Frank From Upstate NY "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' Psalms 82:6 . Are you like a gate-keeper in Heaven? how did you get to decide who gets in???
Look they are like we are . Their eyes have been opened and they know the difference between good and evil .
You could see how convicted and uncomfortable you made him, Jeff. Wether he accepts it or not, you have planted the seed and he will ultimately know the truth.
None of you will ultimately know the truth.
Not because they serve full-time missions doesn't mean they are perfect teachers that can answer all your questions.
then why in the actual FUCK are they being sent to preach this message?