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Typically Protestants will assert Ephesians 2:8-9 which says: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.” Since “works” have nothing to do with our justification they then argue that man is justified by “faith alone”. Obviously the biggest issue with this take is that when Paul says “works” he had a very specific kind of works in mind which would be “natural human works”. Paul wasn’t saying that “supernatural good works” cannot result in justification. In fact he’s admitting that those kind of works can and do result in justification in Romans 2:13 where he says: “for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;” And then there is of course Romans 2:6-7 which says: “who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;” When it comes to this particular passage what a Protestant will argue is that this was some kind of hypothetical[i.e; you could be justified by the law if you could keep it but obviously nobody can or does]. The problem with that particular argument is that John’s Revelation doubles down on what Paul is saying: [Revelation 22:12] “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.” Was Our Lord likewise speaking hypothetically? Certainly not. Especially when Paul clarifies that the “reward” is the inheritance of eternal life in his letter to the Colossians: “since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”(Colossians 3:24) The “reward” being talked about in Rev.22:12 is the “inheritance” from Col.3:24 which is alternatively referred to as “eternal life” in Romans 2:6-7. SO WHY ALL THE CONFUSION? Primarily the confusion is because Protestants don’t have a developed theology about merit. They do not understand that God’s rewards can be gifts and God’s gifts can be rewards. So if God rewards my good works with the “gift” of eternal life then I “cannot boast” and say that God gave me what he owed me because He didn’t. It wasn’t a strict obligation. It was just Him being nice. Or as Paul says: ““Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”(Romans 11:35) Another passage that Protestants will appeal to is Romans 3:20 which says: “Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.” However St.Augustine had a very well-reasoned commentary on this particular passage. He writes: “When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but ⭐️AFTER⭐️ justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit.”-St.Augustine, Faith and Works Luther himself hated this commentary of course, saying: ““It was Augustine's view that the law...if the Holy Spirit assists, the works of the law do justify…I reply by saying "No".” (Luther's Works 54, 49) Obviously Luther was at a loss as to give a satisfactory rebuttal to St.Augustine’s analysis. He very quietly conceded that there was another form of justification that was not a matter of “faith alone” but through works also. He writes: “There are two kinds of righteousness that is the righteousness of another, instilled from without. This is the righteousness of Christ by which he justifies through faith... The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness. This is the manner of life spent profitably in good works..." -Martin Luther, Two Kinds of Righteousness, 1519. This is something of a “come to Jesus” moment for Luther, since in calling this “other” justification “proper” and a result of cooperation with works, he has in fact adopted the Catholic position.
@@DUB-Track quote----.. I read NASB,... unquote Okay Acts 9:31--which Catholics inisist is saying "universal" .Acts 9:31 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied. WHERE are the words "universal" or "Catholic"??? READ THAT verse again. It mentiones THREE areas near Israel. Where exactly is Judea? Kingdom of Judea . The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea. ONE AREA!!! Galilee,----northern Israel Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range. And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon. AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!! >>>>>> Where exactly is Judea? Kingdom of Judea . The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea. ONE AREA!!! Galilee,----northern Israel Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range. And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon. AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!! >>>>>Acts 20:7 Catholics insist that is a Sunday communion. New American Standard Bible 7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [a]message until midnight. #1--They leave out the facts in verse 11, that they ATE a meal. #2--Had that been the Sabbath, paul was about to break it by traveling by ship!!! #3--NO mention of worship or communion!!! Paul was talking about his travels. -----1 Corinthians 16:2-- Another verse Catholics use to prove Sunday us a holy day. On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. ... . Why does NO ONE ask what the collections is for??? All asumptions is what catholics preach.. First Corinthians 16:1 contains specific instructions to the Corinthians about a collection for poor Christians in Jerusalem. Each person must set aside some money on the first day of each week, meaning Sunday. A FAMINE in Jerusalem!!!!! -----Catholics claim an idol ,image is NOT against God's commandment. Exodus 20:3-11 New American Standard Bible 3 “You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the [c]punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing [d]favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. ------Catholics claim the Sabbath is Sunday. Ex 20:8-11 New American Standard Bible 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your [f]resident who [g]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. --Catholics claim Mary was assumed into heaven.. That CONTRADICTS GOD!!!! (btw--to assume--to believe in something with NO facts--NO proof) John 3:13 New American Standard Bible No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there. ... And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son ... --..Catholics claim we go to heaven when we die. ----Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 New American Standard Bible 5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. ----Psalm 6:5 New American Standard Bible 5 For there is no mention of You in death; In Sheol (grave) , who will praise You? -----Ecclesiastes 12:7 New American Standard Bible 7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the [a]spirit will return to God who gave it. ----Psalm 146:4 New American Standard Bible 4 His spirit departs, he returns to [a]the earth; On that very day his plans perish. ----Ecclesiastes 9:6 New American Standard Bible 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. -----Genesis 3:19 New American Standard Bible 19 By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” ------James 2:26 New American Standard Bible 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. -----Job 14:10-12 New American Standard Bible 10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water [a]evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist,He will not awake nor be woken from his sleep. -----John 3:13 New American Standard Bible 13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. -----Hebrews 9:27 New American Standard Bible 27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment, -----Revelation 20:4 New American Standard Bible 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. -----Job 14:12 New American Standard Bible 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist, e will not awake nor be woken from his sleep. -----Revelation 20:15 New American Standard Bible 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. >>>>>
@@DUB-Track I read NASB, -----Catholics claim (some do) that Mary should be worshiped Luke 4:8 New American Standard Bible 8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’” --------What does the Bible say about true worship of God? For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “ ------Isaiah 42:8 New American Standard Bible 8 I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols. ----Catholics claim Mary remained a virgin. Mark 6:3 New American Standard Bible 3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” And they took offense at Him. (They are talking about Jesus!!!-Unless they had NO idea of who Jesus was.) Mark 15:40 New American Standard Bible 40 Now there were also some women watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome. ----Jewish Laws--Mitzvot #Mitzvot #124 Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations from your wife. (Exodus 21:10) #125. To have children from her. (Genesis 1:28) Had mary NOT given Joseph children, she WOULD have been a sinner for NOT obeying the Jewish Law!!! And: 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital ... ----The bible NEVER mentions any long standing vow they made!!! ----1 John 1:8-10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Who claims Mary is without sin??? 1 John 1:8-10 ESV If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. because : Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23 New American Standard Bible 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, >>>>Catholics claim Mary is in heaven. John 3:13 New American Standard Bible 13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. ----Daniel 12:2 New American Standard Bible 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. ----John 5:29 New American Standard Bible 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment. ---JoIsaiah 26:19 New American Standard Bible 19 Your dead will live; [a]Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the [b]dawn, And the earth will [c]give birth to the [d]departed spirits.hn 5:28-29 New American Standard Bible 28 Do not be amazed at this; for [a]a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment. ------Hebrews 9:27 New American Standard Bible 27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment, -----
It would be fun to see them simply go head to head with How to Be Christian, not to mention Tent Horn or Jimmy Akin. Maybe a priest like Father Mike Schmitz. Random street ppl are rarely confident enough to challenge anyone.
To the Catholic's credit, I was there that day (not Catholic, Reformed Baptist) and we were all there to protest the murder of the unborn at the Arizona State Capitol. I have huge disagreements with the Catholic church, but they'll turn out en masse to save babies and I appreciate that a lot.
its always sad how protestants talk about the church christ founded, it hurts my soul you feel the need to discredit us with lies, cause we also belief that we are saved through christ, Catholicism is the truth, and so is purgatory. I pray you humble yourself to accept the Lords wisdom. Its such a sad faith, im ex protestant, how can you say you love Jesus while talking bad about his mother (not you, protestants in general) is beyond me.
As a life long Baptist, we truly believe the word of God. The Catholic faith has added to this gospel and why Luther protested. While upset about what is being said, listen to the reasoning through the lens of Scriptures.
@d.t.7739 Jesus left the HOLY SPIRIT for us to interpret, not pedophile priests and popes. The cathecisms and papal decrees are not Biblical. RESEARCH!!! They kept adding falsehood about Mary in the 1870s!!! Study a Bible for yourself. Scripture interprets Scriptures. One Mediator and One Sacrifice. Every day priests perform a Mass, they literally think Jesus is crucified over and over and over.
Bless you brother. We are a big worldwide family, unlike the thousands american sects. God willing I will visit Papua New Guinea one day. Chritus rex! Salve Regina
Just a little over 2 years saved here. All the sins that I used to commit on a daily basis has stopped. All glory to God. So far it seems like when we truly fall in love with God we stop committing the sins and we become alert for every sins that comes in front of us and because of our faithfulness to God, we make better decisions. Another thing. Works comes from our love for God and not so that we can look good for him. Following Jesus has helped me greatly. Life changer.
I love that you have been saved and have a love for Christ! As you grow you will become aware of sins that you may not be aware of today. It’s awesome that you’ve been relieved of gross sins that you mention. Sanctification is a life long process. I know this because it was after many years of being saved that I truly understood some of my sins that were against a holy God. Sins I had not even thought of earlier in my walk with Jesus. The longer we are in Christ the more we see our sins as glaring acts against a truly holy God.
Amen, when you get truly saved from satan's bondage, spirit resurrected and sonship restored, God's Spirit starts to guide and teach us to become Christ like, now able to live in God's nature, no desire to sin anymore. (The true meaning of sin is living in satan's nature, the fallen condition we are all born into.)
Are you able to share with us from the Bible how a person gets saved without the Sacraments? I hear a lot of Protestants claim salvation while at the same time denying the Sacraments and I am just wondering where in the Bible do they get that teaching from?
@@theSparkyWattsI'm a protestant but I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe it completely mischaracterizes God, as the woman points out in the video with the whole reprobate issue. I love Calvinist brothers and sisters but staunchly disagree with their soteriology.
"If you really think that you can endure and enjoy the full light and fire of God for a second after you die, being essentially the same kind of being you are now, without any kind of divine operation on your soul, then you dangerously underestimate either your sinful nature, God's holiness, or the gap between them." - Dr. Peter Kreeft
it says that we will be given heavenly bodies and we are a new creation once we accept jesus so your right as long as your saved and turned away from your sins your good because of what jesus did on the cross our old selves have passed away
The Holy Spirit is "operating" on my soul while I am still alive, growing the fruit of the spirit. I'll never achieve perfection in this lifetime, but we are supposed to become more like Jesus Christ now, while here on earth, by repenting of all our sins past and present and renewing our minds with scripture of who we are in Christ without complaining and conflict. Philippians 2
@@ME-ks2vn Amen! I agree with everything you said. However, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically attachments to sin or other disorders. Idk about you, but I am a wretched sinner. And although I believe that my baptism, repentance, and faith in Christ will save me, I think I will need purification by fire before entering the kingdom of heaven. “If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” - 1 Corinthians 3:15
@@bcarollo1 1 Corinthians 3 should be read in all its context. Throwing out a verse like that in order to sneak in Purgatory is simply mishandling the text. It is not about entering heaven when we are "unclean". It is about what Scriptures teaches how we are cleansed. The gospel should be understood in the light of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Focusing on righteousness of man as means to enter heaven is not achievable ~ man's righteousness will always be like "filthy rags" before God. The Gospel that focuses on man's work instead of the Good Shepherd who promised that He knows His sheep and they know Him and hear His voice, and even willing to leave the 99 and search for the one that is lost is the One who will present those sheep to the Father, washed and cleansed by His blood, not by purgatorial fire!
@matthewens509 I'm sorry, but I'll give him credit until Jeff actually speaks to Catholic Christians who KNOW scripture. Jeff would not be able to say much because he will not have the same level of understanding as a true Catholic Christian would. It would be like a college professor (Catholic Christian that KNOWS) teaching a student from middle school (Jeff).
@@richyaxl1151Catholics teach purgatory, worship of Mary & the saints as intercessors (Jesus is the ONLY intercessor) & that baptism is for original sin not to mention vain repetition through the priest who supposedly “absolves” you when he clearly can’t Catholicism is covered in legalities, rituals & traditions that take us away from Jesus. They celebrate the “Virgin Mary” more than Christ which is way off
This pastor shows us why we need the church, tradition and magisterium to understand the bible. The word of God communicated by scripture needs the analogical language of the body to complete the message.
Like what ??? that he is nothing but a circle talker ??? he interrupts the guy just to put him down over and over again … first the Bible was given by the Catholic Church read the early church fathers and your Protestant garbage will crumble… trying to bring the true church to Protestants is like throwing perls in front of pigs … they are just as narrow minded as the Pharisees that demanded the crucifixion of Jesus
Catholics did pretty well. However, it's important that he debates with catholic apologists not just random simple Catholics. Then you will see that your arguments wont stand 😊
I'm 49 and recently reborn,other religions need to stop reading between the lines,stop adding things to God's words and just use common sense.There is only one way to the kingdom and that's through Jesus Christ period!
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, *which is the church* of the living God, *the pillar and support of the truth* 1 Timothy 3:15 LSB
I respect and appreciate greatly the fact that Jeff Durbin has enabled people to openly comment in this channel, unlike James White. I would love to see a debate between Jeff vs Tim Spales (Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or Joe Heschmeyer) on Justification. @Jeff... May God bless, guide, and protect you always! 🙏🏼
Problem is his approach basically using typical fundamentalist attacks and giving Catholic no time to respond. He is hitting at Deep Catholic beliefs and reality of sacraments that are Christ’s active ministry to us through He Himself. So he is reinforcing ideas that further entrench fundamentalists. This morning I finished reading the first public exorcism in the Church hundreds of years ago that included Calvinist and other protestant ministers. In the end the Eucharist defeated the devils, not the Protestant bread and the demon said he is the one who founded these heretical belief systems within Protestantism. One Calvinist repented and became Catholic, the rest left just like those who left Christ prior to the Last Supper.
I can debunk both sides. Know greek translation on the biblical content. John,acts, revelation and other 100 💯 verses nail 💅 it to the cross. Confession James 5. Pope fake francis endorsement of LGBT 123 and his false dogmas. Vatican is infiltration is there
@@2degreesos you're right. And you know who that someone is? God. He has nothing to lose by revealing himself to me in an unambiguous way. But he chooses not to. I can choose whether or not to 'follow' him, and I'd be choosing based upon something a bit less vague than the mishmash thousand times edited and (mis) translated contradiction that is the bible. Please tell me why god created people with pale skin on a planet where in many places this means the person will get sunburn and potentially skin cancer from exposure to sun. Explain how this could be the result of perfect design by a perfect being. You know, the same one who after creating his perfect reflection of himself, his children, he then was full of REGRET (yes it says the perfect god felt regret.. think about that), so he flooded the world and killed almost everyone so he could have another go. Except all the evil water dwelling animals were safe anyway. Imagine if Christianity had only just been invented, over in the middle east right now. It would be much better documented than it was 2000 years ago. But I bet you wouldn't believe it or decide to follow it. Seriously where did Jesus go and what did he do most of his life? We'll never know, because for some reason the only time god/his son came to earth, he didn't manage to document most of it in any reliable way. A perfect being went AWOL and left scriptures without any recorded author or witness testimony. He walked on water, and this was seen from a distance by one bleary eyed fisherman, and the fisherman isn't the person who wrote this down, it was someone anonymous who never met the only supposed witness. And this is the strength of evidence you're happy with? Please explain.
Faith in Jesus makes me want to do good things. I don't do good things to get my salvation. Jesus paid that debt for all of us. All you have to do is believe.
@eugenefernandez4377 Galatians 2:16 Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Justified means declared righteous as Christ was our substitute ie saved.
To just believe, I know you did not find In the Bible you have to stop sinning for sure, to believe is to obey God. To be a true Christian one has to confess and forsake all sins in his life for the rest of his life and be baptized, where your past sins are washed away Henceforth you walk in newness of life. The Lord’s yoke is easy and light. Choose life.
@@eugenefernandez4377 here are four verses or series of verses. Hope these help. John 3:16 (NET) For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 6:28-29 (NET) 28 So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" 29 Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent." Acts 16:30-31 (NET) 30 Then he brought them outside and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household." Ephesians 2:8-10 (NET) 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.
I've been struggling with assurance lately after walking with him for years. I'm listening to this debate just because I'm always interested in apologetics and love the Apologia crew. Hearing these truths of the Gospel is refreshing. I look at myself to often and see my failures so clearly and easily lose heart. But hearing the Gospel always reminds me to look at Christ and his perfect obedience, death and resurrection and I have hope again. I need to hear and preach the Gospel to myself daily.
The Catholic Church misses the Gospel and adds works to salvation. Anything you add to salvation is like saying that Jesus's sacrifice wasn't good enough. Rest in the work He has done. It is finished.
@DanielMotesSEO Exactly. I can’t understand how you could be saved and believe Jesus died for your sins but also believe you can still go to hell. Jesus’ sacrifice was for my past, present, and future sins. Adding anything else is literally telling Jesus that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
@@traviscoston5238 If you have mortal sin on your soul when you die, that's how... Truth & Life RSV-CE 19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21 whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. Acts 3:19-21 RSV-CE
Brother you are amazing, praise god , your approach is helping me to tackle these same situations, god bless your ministry . Thank you brother your giving me strength, Your humility is soooo on point ...ninja 💪🙏
I believe he means do not come to God to remember the sacrifice of Christ without being in a good place spiritually. A bit like if you have something against your brother don't come to the temple until after you make right what is wrong.
Coming to the memorial table to honor what Christ did for us (“do this in *remembrance* of me”) while being in willful disobedience through unrepentant sin is dishonoring the work of Christ, that’s what Paul means by eating and drinking in an unworthy manner. If the sacrament itself cleansed us of sin there wouldn’t be a problem, would there. “This is my body broken for you … this is my blood …” Is just like the classic commercial “this is your brain (shows an egg), this is your brain on drugs (cracks the egg in a hot frying pan)” It’s the same thing. The egg is not our literal brain. Christ was presenting the elements as representations of what He was about to do for all believers.
@@kevinmbangue9226 you really make me laugh…. Who gave you the bible kevin ? Tell me I wanna know where it came from please because I believe it’s fake.
The quote is crucified, past tense. and although I am no expert on what satan likes or dislikes, I believe an empty tomb conveys the message far better. I don't see how a portrayal of Jesus suffering would be anything but pleasing to satan.
Gal 2:20-21 KJV 20 (((I am))) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; (((yet not I))), (((but Christ liveth in me))): (((and the life which I now live in the flesh))) (((I live))) (((by the faith))) (((OF))) (((the Son of God))), who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 (((I do not frustrate the grace of God))): (((for if righteousness come by the law))), (((then Christ is dead in vain))). CHRIST CRUCIFIED REPRESENTS US BEING DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD! CHRIST RESURRECTED, REPRESENTS RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A GIFT RECEIVED BY FAITH. Romans 6:7-11 KJV 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead DIETH (((NO MORE)); death hath (((NO MORE))) dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin (((ONCE))); but in that he liveth, (((he liveth unto God))). [NO BLOODLESS REPEATED SACRIFICE / MASS NEEDED] 11 Likewise (((reckon))) / [BELIEVE] ye also yourselves (((to be dead indeed unto sin))), (((but alive unto God))) (((through Jesus Christ our Lord))). DO YOU BELIEVE? Romans 1:16-17 King James Version 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for (((IT))) (((IS))) (((the power of God))) (((unto salvation))) (((to every one that believeth))); to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For (((therein))) / [GOSPEL / GOOD NEWS] (((IS))) (((the righteousness of God))) [AS A GIFT] (((revealed))) from [OLD COVENANT] faith to [NEW COVENANT] faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS] 2Cor 5:21 KJV 21 For he [GOD THE FATHER] (((hath made him) / [JESUS] (((to be sin))) (((for us))), who knew no sin; (((that we might be made))) (((the righteousness of God in him))). Romans 10:9-10 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. SALVATION IS NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S DOGMATIC SACRAMENTS BUT RATHER BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE , THROUGH GODS GRACE LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST! Eph 2:8-9 PEACE
I disagree with two things,you can’t be forgiven if you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.And two there is no scripture that says once saved always saved, if I’m wrong someone show it to me.
If you think you can lose your salvation but haven't yet, who do you think you are? You did nothing to gain salvation outside of faith. You can do nothing to lose it, or you would have already.
@@generalchrome Acts 5: 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? So did they go to heaven? Ananias and his wife?
@stevelovesgod works is a way for believers to discern you as a fellow follower of Christ. That context isn't saying that those works matter for your salvation in the slightest. It is a 100% free gift from God based on no works of yours. You did nothing for your salvation but believe in Jesus. Being saved is understanding that fact.
Why doesnt this video have millions of views? Im baffled at how so many prefer their ears tickled instead of preferring to listen and come to know the deep, infallible and trustworthy truth of the word of God
I especially love these inter-Christian debates because there are always so many new perspectives to consider. With a typical atheist/liberal, you can pretty much anticipate where the disagreement comes from. I wish you would do more debates between Christians of different denominations.
@@truthnotlies That is Protestantism for you. He already "knows" she is wrong. He is an experienced debater and she is a random off the street so eventually he will be able to confuse her into a position where he can make her look wrong. She she did well to defend the truth.
You seriously can't be trying to make Jeff look like the bad guy. He didn't belittle her once and she never felt offended. 👋😏 So don't take some imaginary moral highway to nowhere, they're simply debating and doing it very cordialy. That being said, this is a matter of a position vs a counter position - this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE to rightly divide the Word of Truth. 👇😊 "If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small." -Proverbs 24:10 📖 🕊️📖🔥 If you can't defeat Jeff's arguments then your strength is small and you need more strength. Strength is of the Lord. Be in line with His Word, and you'll have all the strength you need to overcome, not Jeff Durbin, but the evil one who is the father of lies and the author of confusion. 🕊️ Jesus Christ is Lord! 🙌
The Catholics actually did a pretty good job here .. maybe the online Catholic apologetic sphere which has been coming on strong lately is rubbing off on regular Catholics
Close...but close only counts with horeshoes and hand grenades. 2 Peter 2 tell us that "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves." There's a hint of truth to every cult and every false teaching. What it comes down to is "was Jesus enough?"
The problem is the doctrine of the modern Catholic Church is light years different than the reformed Protestant church. There is countless caveats and nuances to reformed doctrine, as there is with Catholic doctrine. The Protestant doctrine is clear and biblical, but she has a completely different view of most Protestant doctrines. It may seem, at times, like he hasn’t answered her question, but its only because either he needs to explain further, cause she’s not picking up on the nuance, or they’ve gone off on a different tangent. That would be like me saying to a Catholic, “do you teach that everything that the pope says is infallible.” And of course the Catholic would respond,”no, only what is ex cahedra.” Then I were to not understand the nuance of what Catholics mean by infallibility and then proceed to assume the Catholic hasn’t answered my question. Look, a lot of what Jeff says, which I agree with, is a cause for debate even amongst fellow Protestants, it’s a far broader debate when dealing with Catholicism, cause you have to deal with purgatory, the immaculate conception, sola scriptura, transubstantiation, veneration of saints…. The list goes on.
Jeff was speaking to an obviously wonderful family. If all American (and Canadian, since that is where I'm from) families were like this one, our nations would be in a much better situation.
Protestantism has 1000s of sects…Not until Martin Luther people started to become saved??? This is a load of BS. People really think it took 1500 years to become saved? Katholiki Eklisia is and was the one true universal church since Peter was appointed by Christ.
Jesus founded only one church mateo 16;18,19. So you l Left the church of Jesús for one formed by men??? Can you show me with the Bible who formed your "church ".
I enjoy listening to Jeff dialogue with people. He is patient, eloquent, respectful, brilliant, and loving. I pray that God would help open Jeff’s heart to the truth that the doctrine of Calvinism does not represent who He is. These words are coming from a believer that was a Calvinist twenty years ago.
I was struggling with the many scriptures that contradicted Calvinist theology. I fervently prayed that God would reveal the truth to me. The Holy Spirit through the scriptures revealed to me that the passages of scripture that Calvinists use to support their doctrine were not being interpreted correctly and that the gospel is good news for all. If you believe in Calvinism, you can not honestly tell an unbeliever that God loves them, He died for their sin, and offers them the gift of eternal life if they repent and trust in Christ Jesus alone.Because according to their interpretation of predestination and election, that might not be the case.
@@my3pups153 TY for your reply - I agree with you. I left Catholicism and relied wholly on the Holy Spirit to bring me into truth. I had never heard of pre-destination I prayed about it and rejected it because I do not believe it is doctrinely correct. There are arguments within the Christian faith about pre-destination. Though I know that God knows all things, and he knows who will choose to follow him, and who will reject him - our commission is to share the gospel with all people, and then leave it in God's hands - trusting him to work His way in them.
Amen! Michael Brown has argued persuasively against predestination. If you have not feasted on those debates it would be gainful to seek them out. That said, it is clearly evident that The Holy Spirit is working powerfully through Jeff Durbin. He is extremely effective in casting down unbiblical doctrines. And he does it with grace and love. ❤
Appreciate the cordial nature of Jeff Durbin. These conversations really show how important Sola Scriptura really is. Jeff responded so quickly with scripture.
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
A simple way of putting it is: • All salvation comes from Christ • Christ has linked salvation to Baptism • Baptism is the entryway into the Church • Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon Here's a quote right out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Study the Early Church Father's too..Google ( www.churchfathers.org ) and read for yourself. I'll leave you more quotes below as well.. But read for yourself regarding this fact: I rely on our Blessed Lord's One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church guided by the Holy Spirit to provide me with All Truth (Not my "own opinion"). “Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: ➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church Early Church Father's: Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes) Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church) St. Augustine: "In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate." St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107: "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology) Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae) Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi) The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly.
@catholictruth102 so who is it that you say is a prophet that came after John the Baptist and Jesus? As far as I know no one except false prophets like Muhammad and John Smith both of which burn in hell as we speak.
@catholictruth102 Paul was an evangelist, teacher, preacher, theologian, traveler, tentmaker, church- man, as well as missionary-all indicative of the extraordinary qualities of that strange man from Tarsus. But nowhere in the New Testament Scriptures is he called a prophet, though there are numerous references to prophets.
It's a relationship, not a membership you need. In a good family where you were raised up right if your parent caught you doing something wrong, you would be ashamed and want them to forgive you. So in God's family knowing that he sees you always = You should act accordingly.
Also I believe that when there is pride, people are not taking it in. Just seeking the next argument to win. Ever word that Pastor Jess has said from scripture, there was not a moment pause to think. It was just when one was answered, we are going to bring up another rebuttle. Not sure their hearts are truly seeking Truth.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter” (Matthew 7:21)
James 2- 18-26 26 For as a body without a spirit is dead, so also Faith without works is dead. I updated my comment to show the scripture verse. It's very sad that most of the responses have no idea that I was quoting scripture. James 2- 20 " Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?".
Protestant tradition and Catholic tradition. Each have their interpretation to scripture. Question is not what the Bible says but whose interpretation of scripture is correct. Some do shallow interpretation and some complex from the traditions. But all are attempts to identify what Jesus meant. This is the dilemma. Read Church history to those that care to find what the first Christian believed. Tradition is important because it’s a means to preserve interpretation and teaching to carry to next generations. We all practice it whether you acknowledge it or not to a degree. God bless 🙏
Actually what matters is God’s Word which was made flesh via the incarnation Jesus Christ I don’t really care about human interpretation if it doesn’t align with what Jesus says besides tradition & rituals are a problem when they take away from the truth of the gospel
No, the question is not who interprets scripture best. You cannot see past your own assumptions if you think that is the problem. Scripture is one of many Church traditions, and in fact one of the later traditions. Our Lord did not instruct Peter to write a book, He told him to found a Church. And yet for some reason, Protestants think the bible is the single and only source of authority. Where in the bible does it say we must only derive authority from within it? The real problem is protestants take one Catholic tradition - the Scripture that we compiled - and confusedly try to use it to undermine the rest of Church tradition. What came first, through? That's the real problem.
Unfortunately, when man touches anything, it goes awry. Trust in God's word. The rest is irrelevant. His grace by faith. I would recommend to stay away from a cult that practices falsely but continues to deny it.
Correct. And it was the Apostles whom were told that they will be guided by Christ himself ALWAYS. So the only churches that have a place to debate are the Catholics and Orthodox, due to their proven apostolic succession. Protestants and other "Christians" are simply following the traditions of men.
@@TruLuanPLEASE READ YOUR CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( CCC ) WHAT IT TEACHES IS HERESY IT DEFINITELY ISN’T ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE,READ IT YOURSELF! IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATECHISM IS TRUTH THEN YOU EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES OR ITS INTERPRETATION !
Thank you for sharing this video and confirming & solidifying my decision to convert to Catholicism after a life of being Protestant. All these type of videos do is either make converts more confident in their decision to convert to the one true Church OR cause confusion and division amongst Gods people. As a pastor, where is the honor in this? Why are you spending your time, energy and focus on this? How is this making you holier and closer to God? Ask any Protestant who converted to Catholicism later in life, and they would agree that your words only make their new beliefs stronger. So, the purpose of this video has accomplished 2 things. 1.) you’ve made converts & devout Catholics become stronger in their faith (which if I were to guess, is the opposite of your purpose & intention, so jokes on you 😬) or 2.) you have caused further rifts & division amongst believers, which is the opposite of what the Lord wants for you and for His Kingdom and has aligned you more with that of the enemy’s purpose. Either way, it’s not good bro. It’s not how a man of God should be using the time God has given him here on earth, it’s tearing apart the Kingdom instead of building it and UNITING it. I believe your heart is in the right place but what are your true intentions? Are you doing this bc you believe it’s a mission from God to somehow ‘save’ Catholics from their so called wrong beliefs bc you genuinely care about their souls? Or have you made this a personal mission to prove your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong? I’ve been there. I’ve worn these blinders of pride before and it got me nowhere except on my knees and incredibly humbled before Almighty God. He removed the scales from my eyes and stripped me of the lies and Protestant pride. There’s so much more that you do not yet know. The things you think you know about the Catholic faith are being seen through a lens. Maybe someday, you will receive a new lens so that you may see the whole Truth. For me, it was through great suffering that allowed me to see through that new lens but I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anyone in order to see it, but sometimes it’s what it takes. Jesus came to rescue us from Hell and eternal damnation, but we still must walk through the fire & be refined, not as a punishment (bc Jesus took that punishment) but as a way for us to truly become Christ like and receive a crown of glory. Christs death on the cross wasn’t our free ticket to heaven, it was an invitation to follow Him to the cross, our own cross, using HIS strength to get us there and trusting He will use our pain for an eternal purpose, for our OWN good. Purgatory is not a punishment, it is a gift. Nobody in purgatory is going to hell. It is a road to heaven. It is a continuation of the sanctification we should be living out on earth. God is outside of space & time, that is why we display the crucifix. When you say you follow Jesus? Are you following Him in the here and now? Post resurrection? Or are you following Him throughout scripture? Are you following Him to the cross? are you letting Him come alongside you and take you to your own crosses of your life and once you get there, and you face yourself, your true sinful self and you realize what you deserve bc of that sin, and its causes you fear & trembling and you feel like it’s the end, the end of yourself and there’s nothing but death in front of you but than you look up, and you see Christ up on that cross , in your place? And than you realize that’s it’s suffering that leads to salvation. That’s what it truly means to follow Christ. Jesus suffered, died, went to hell and went to be with the Father, yet never needed refinement. And because of what He did for us, we do not have to face death or experience Hell, and we get to be with the Father in heaven but we must first be refined and that must be done through suffering. Not necessarily as worldly suffering, but the kind of internal suffering when you look at your own sin and the consequences of that sin, so that you can work out your own salvation through fear and trembling, for it is God who is at work within you, so you may be without blame, without reproof. This kind of suffering should be the kind we welcome, We should want to imitate Christ in this way, bc it’s the only way to journey to truly holiness. Jesus didn’t die to send us to heaven only if we believed in Him, even the demons believe in Him. He died to forgive us of our sins, to free us from the grip of the enemy, so that we would be ABLE to make this journey of suffering and sanctification with Him that leads to our salvation. He died to make a WAY for us to go to heaven, despite our sin. Would you feel right or WANT to one day stand before the almighty God of the Universe without first taking this painfully beautiful, grace filled, courageous, & glorious journey? Would you feel right taking your seat at the table with your Father before becoming ALL that He has created you to be?
Brother you wrote so much, you allowed your emotions to get the best of you. It was hard to follow some things because you went too many places at once. Consider expressing yourself in a better fashion, so more people could follow. When it comes to your comment against him, do you the know the guy and his works? How do you know that this is all he does? No Christian is called to preach or debate in the streets alone. I was converted 10 years ago, after my faith in Christ increased after the passing of my father. He showed me His love through suffering, and ever since then we have walked together. My faith has grown and I've learned much of the secondary theology , apart from the practical work. My protestant brother is emphasizing some subjects, that doesn't determine all he is in the eyes of God. We can sit here and ignore Paul's plead to avoid pointless debates and argument. The reality is that there is a very real separation in the theology of the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant Church. I just love it when the Catholics claim their church is the real church of God. I have never heard a Protestant state that we have the real church, because the real church of Christ is formed by all who are His true disciples. Both sides have ween wrong in history and in modern times. However is foolish how much you jumped from one system of theology to the next one. Where was you foundation? Did you pretend that you were a protestant all this time, and suddenly jumped to the Roman faith? I've heard PLENTY of testimonies of Catholics converting to the Protestant faith. Mind you most of these people understand the difference in theology, they didn't shift because someone's word scratched them wrong way.
@@Dale-xm7bs on who’s authority/interpretation is he speaking truth? Is own interpretation? His pastor growing up? The head of his denomination? How do we know our interpretation of The Word is truth and not based on our own perception, upbringing, experiences or other peoples interpretation, that may or may not have had proper discernment to know whether or not it is the true interpretation? Also, not sure what century you are living in, but the Church does not accept funds for any kind of indulgences or people in purgatory…. they do however accept prayers or have Masses read for those in purgatory and we can offer up our own sufferings for them and for all sinners of the world. To believe that ‘accepting Jesus’ is enough to purify your soul and make you become like God but not being willing to walk through the refining fires of sanctification and being humbled enough to recognize we need so much more wisdom & understanding about the mysteries of God, than your soul is in grave danger. simply believing in Jesus will not make you holy & perfect enough to stand beside Him in heaven one day. You have to be willing to take the next step and work on becoming more holy by allowing Him to do that through and in you. Being so prideful to think you know it all and you are already saved but being unwilling to take a deeper look into your salvation is a dead end road. Even with thousands of years of testimonies, teachings and apparitions God has created through the Church, I still realize I have so much more to learn and discover about my own salvation and that’s what keeps us from growing comfortable in our sin and allows us to grow closer to God and further from this World.
@@robertosantibanez I converted bc God led me to the Truth. Plain and simple. The disdain I used to have for Catholicism was more than you know. It was my pride that kept me from digging deeper into what I did not know. It was being humbled by God that led me to the Church. are there true disciples within Protestants and Catholics and ones who are not true followers on both sides? Absolutely. But that doesn’t change the fact that God intended to have one universal church and He remains faithful to that Church to this day, even with all its historical flaws. God is not bound by the Church, but we are called to be bound to it, bc we are supposed to be bound together in one church, not dividing and separating ourselves from one another every time there is conflict.
Praise God for your beautiful ministry. May God continue to use you with love and power to testify about God's love. God bless you brother. Greetings from Reading Pennsylvania
Are you talking about when he said “perfect peace”? It’s because she doesn’t. That’s not about belief or feeling. She admitted there’s wrath between her and God. She can *pretend* she has perfect peace, but she’s fooling herself.
Where did she admit this? She said she has peace because she trusts in God's mercy. @@artax7664 Jeff believes that you are sanctified on this earth. Not sure why that's necessary if you are already elect and saved without any free will in his part. Sounds like that sanctification is part of a cleansing, a justice that must be served on our parts.
And Jesus said read this in memory of me. Opps He said do this in remembrance of me. Is early church fathers. Long before the scriptures were even written.❤❤
God Bless you, I pray everyone reading this can be encouraged to read as much of the Church Fathers as they can, even start with a 15minute read of The Didache, a document from 50-75AD and have a look at what Early Christian's were instructed on upon joining the Faith. Warning: Non-Catholics will be shocked.
@@thearborbarber So you don't jump for joy or proclaim here as blessed. then you're a hypocrite based on your last comment of "Is it in the bible? was it commanded by Christ? All that you need to know is in scripture. Period" You prove you don't follow the bible and dont believe everything you need to know is in scripture. You're acting outside of scripture and denying it's Sacred Truth... Why don't you believe the Bible is truly the Word of God?
I would say the pastor was simply talking past the Catholic and there was no actual discussion here. Lets hear this pastor talk with someone like Jimmy Akin a Catholic apologist.
Is what catholics believe not in the Catholic doctrine? Is that not easily accessible to anyone who wants to know what a catholic believes? @icarlsw34
He is not talking past anyone. He listens then rerfers to the Bible to establish the truth. This is not a game, and just wait until your hero comes and shows him his error. You made no specific statements where what he has said is in error. So, how do you say he is? Back up what your claim is. You can't, obviously, but OH, you will get your brother to do it?????
Wow, that could truly be a life changing conversation. Bless you brother for doing this important work- so many don't realize what an important mission field is held in roman catholicism.
There is no Roman Catholicism. It's just Catholicism. That was just an insult started by Anglicans and we Catholics need to correct it like the N word.
Catholicism is the truth my friend, may you wake up from your sola scriptura heresy. A revelation Luther had while takin a dump, claiming to be a revelation of the holy spirit lol
@@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077 Sola Scriptura never historically meant Solo Scripture. So Calvin, Luther, and the Church of England all kept church tradition. It's rather that Scripture is the sole infallible Word of God. The Reformation was never about starting a new church, but about going back to what was lost. Sure, modern evangelicals take it too far, but they don't represent the Reformers now do they?
With all due respects from a French Catholic. I was at first with Protestants when they came to me for making me discover the Gospel. I had disagrements and I chose my path. But no matter what I still have love and respect for you guys, despite all our little arguments keep up the good work and keep sharing the Gospel that's the only thing that matters to me. The rest are just silly politics disputes, serve God as best as you can and follow His commands that's the only thing we all have to aggree on. ❤
Pay attention to the preposition: “Work out your salvation” - not “work for your salvation” - not “work into your salvation” - not “work on your salvation” - not “work to make your salvation secure” A believer already has “your salvation,” so it should be out-worked and made effective through his life in cooperation with (next verse) God’s work in his life.
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@ Ok, that ungrateful attitude is fine if you want to draw a loving Father’s chastisement, which can go as far as sickness and premature death. And when you get to heaven and look back, you’ll weep for all the rewards you lost and all the loved ones who went to hell because you did nothing with what you had. On the other hand, you might prove that “it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure” does not apply to you because you were a false convert.
@ApologiaStudios. You should have a conversation with the UA-camr Voice of Reason. He can answer just about any questions you may have about the Church's teachings.
I believe the young woman gave a uppercut to the Pastor at 29:44. She got him on "Why repent" if we're already forgiven. Pastor got a little dazed in my humble opinion, but know, I'm not attacking pastor in any way.
quite a bold statement. not sure i watched a single second where he is dazed or where there is an uppercut. He responds promptly and quickly with scripture right after.
Praise Jesus for the young folks who set there and heard 2 grown have a Biblical conversation... and then have enough gumption to ask questions when the opening came
What a beautiful conversation Pastor Jeff. Very loving but firm in your conversation with the RC's on the truth of the Gospel. I thank God for pastors like you who can present the truth so succinctly in the field and rely on the Holy Spirit to work in you. I believe the love of Christ can be seen in these spontaneous encounters. If I lived in your area, I'd be attending Apologia Church. God bless you in your witness ...
@soteriology400 what? The church of Jesus Christ became desolate, after the temple was destroyed. Show me Bible verse that says that. No, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His true Church has spread throughout the world by Apostles and believers since Pentecost. The true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ causes Satan and His demons to tremble, because they know that their Lord Jesus Christ said, the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. The true Church of Jesus Christ trusts God's Eternal Living Word 💯 and proclaims the true gospel of Christ and His Lordship over His Church (which is us the true born of the Holy Spirit children of God) who endure to the end not by our might nor by our power but by My Spirit says the LORD. Zechariah 4:6.
Jesus did not start the Catholic Church. The Church is the gathering of 2 or more who gather in his name. Catholic Church is a different version of a Pharasie
I think the pastor twisted the words that the Catholic said. Purgatory is a place to be purified. Yes. But after Christ has already given you the grace. As a protestant, you believe in a purification state, except it's a quick version. And the Apostle Paul taught that with his own SUFFERING, he would complete the sacrifice that Jesus did at the cross.
@bighome - that’s your authority and you don’t read your Bible. Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28). Jesus from the cross give his Mother to the beloved disciple John. Are you Jesus beloved disciple - I hope you are and will you take the Lords mother as your spiritual mom? John 19:26-27: When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.
@@loveisaiah622 I think you should read that in it’s full context. That was an Angel that said that to Mary. Has nothing to do with Jesus dying on the cross to give us Mother Mary full of grace . He died on the cross to wash our sins, fulfill the law and Jesus NOT Mary, became our great intercesser between man and God the father.
@@bighomie1017 - I gave you scripture verse directly from the Bible and your giving me your own fallible interpretation . You must be kidding. Are you reading the Quran, Vedas? Was the Angel Gabriel speaking his own Opinion/ words ? Angels are Messengers of God. They relay ( without adding or subtracting a single letter) the INFORMATION God wants them to speak. They don’t speak their own mind. All your doing is eisegesis not exegesis.
None of this verses are in close context to Jesus dying on the cross, in which Mary became some beneficial figure of worship for the body of Christ. Mary is in heaven & to be held in high regard for her role God chose her for. However, She is not a divine being & she did not die a virgin. I use the King James Bible. I do not endorse paganism or books of false religion such has the Quran & Hindu Vadas. Of course it’s important to understand the foundations of dangerous religions being a former Catholic, to bring those lost in false doctrine to the one Truth in Jesus Christ. Even the Dewey Rheims Bible on its own contradicts the teachings & rituals of Catholicism.
Jesus help me. I’m trying to balance everything on my own, but Lord I feel like I’m failing miserably as a single mother. Both sons are special needs I’m so overwhelmed trying to support them on my own. I’m struggling to make ends meet, to pay bills, and to put food on the table for my children. Jesus guide me and give me strength. I have faith you will carry me through this difficult time.❤️
Sister in Christ! What I see as I’m reading through your comment is I, I ,I and there is where the challenges stem. The only I that should come out of our mouth is I SURRENDER lord here are my challenges and name them and I trust that you are the almighty God whom will never leave me nor forsake me! Bring up his promises as you pray. It is valid to remind him because that shows him your faith and you will see God working. Remember without faith it’s impossible to please God. He is listening but he is waiting for you to surrender. Invite the Holy Spirit to every prayer, worship and to reading of the word. I pray this blesses you in Jesus name 🙏🏼
Lay your troubles at the feet of Jesus and leave them there, He'll take care of them. If you keep trying to hold on to them and do it yourself, Jesus will keep letting you and nothing will change. I'll be praying for you, sister.
@@LCD04 You may be correct OR she could be reaching out for as much prayer and advice as possible. Either way, it's our job as believers to pray for her.
One of them is listening... One of them is telling the other what that other believes.. not letting the other finish his points and judging the other.. this is not a fair conversation at all.
One of them are hard hearted and stiff necked as God said, when He rejected Isreal. No one who follows Roman Catholicism can understand scripture and that's a fact friend. I love all of you, but the truth is not in religion and certainly far from Rome. The difference is God internationally blinded Israel and hasn't forsaken them. A Gentile will be held accountable
Rome has changed its beliefs constantly since the FOURTH century when it was created. He literally talked about this, but you are blind to the gospel so you couldn't hear it. I pray God opens your eyes and calls you.
I like this but I wish there would be less assumption and equivocation on both sides. I am on your side Jeff, but the Roman system is not as simplistic as you are making it sound. We need to actually do a better job listening and hearing, not assuming certain conclusions.
Thank you! Protestants always get wring what we believe as Catholics. People see through this, then do their own research, and many come home to the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus through His Apostles. That's only one of the reasons you see so many more conversions to Catholicism.... oh, by the way, it's not the " Roman system". Do we call Protestantism the " worm system"? ( Since Protestantism came out of Worms, Germany).
@@cristinamz2137 I appreciate that, but yes you have your own caricature of Protestantism, and the “Jesus founded our church…” line is particularly old and anachronistic.
Iv been to so many Protestant churches all I found is a pop concert and a motivational speech been going to a Catholic Church I feel god I hear the words of god it’s so much deeper if Protestants want ppl to come quit with the gimmicky pop concerts and bring back actual worship
You probably didn’t go to Protestant Churches then. And it’s clear you don’t understand it. There are many new independent churches like that and very few are still orthodox. Sounds like you went to prosperity gospel church eggy are not Protestant at all. I have been to churches that do sing in worship for 30 minutes or so but have expository preaching of the word of God and still celebrating the Eucharist. And then there are more historical Protestant churches that are more traditional with a higher view of tradition. We are all still brothers and love each other regardless of our secondary differences. But what you just said does not sound Protestant at all. Also, I’m not Roman catholic but I admire some of the Catholics views since they still teach orthodox Christianity. But have added too many medieval believes not supported historically or biblically
I'm not Catholic, but the lady is asking GREAT questions...l belive that all are called. And that salvation is for whom ever will!! And that is why we are called to preach the gospel that will lead to salvation to whom ever will accept the free gift of salvation and repent of their sins!! To those God gave the right to be called the children of the most high God!
Sorry, this Pastor does not understand Catholic Theology. What he is "debunking" isn't Catholicism. Setup a debate with a Catholic Apologist. Let's see how that goes.
Sam Shamoun is not Jesus. He is a mortal like any man. The fact that he validates Catholicism doesn't mean Catholicism is true. Put your faith on Jesus, not Sam Shamoun.
As a Catholic, I treasure my Protestant brothers and sisters, even if we disagree. But we agree on so many fundamentals, not the least of which the centrality of Christ, not the least on many social issues today. I find the entire "faith vs. works" debate very tiresome. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Who knows the entire mystery of faith? Who should boast that they know it all? I find it more helpful to focus on where we agree, and to have humility that no one really understands the entire mystery of faith. It is beyond human understanding, it is "supernatural" in every sense of the word.
But what does the scripture says matters the most, not extra-biblical material that might even contradict the message of the scripture. These are matters concerning life and obviously our eternity so it should continuously be examined...
@@tyhilibomkazi5692 Who is the interpreter of scripture? So many Protestants look to the Bible as the only authority, yet there are dozens of faith traditions that vehemently disagree on how to interpret the scriptures. The results of following "only the Bible" have borne themselves out, and the fruit has been division.
I was saved by faith first , and now I do works because it’s fun to do , his way of loving and being a servant to others fills my joy beyond comprehension. I was never baptized by water when I was first saved . I called out to him , repented , and I received his Holy Spirit ; not only that I was also healed and all my desires changed . Now I do works because it’s my gratitude to him . He continues to bless me even though I mess up time to time even though I don’t deserve it . But yet I cry of joy because he’s just so good , I praise him when I feel it and praise him when I don’t . I did get baptize by water but nothing happened like when I verbally repented . No more lustful chains nor do I care for anything of what the world offers . All I care is about God . He’s always on my mind . His words when I listen to it melts my heart , but it fills more joy when I become a doer of the word also . Being a servant of any way that can help my neighbor to see the light that God wants us to be by following Jesus . I do works because through faith I was healed and saved . Every day I use my hands and mouth that will fulfill his purpose for me . Least I try to for him .
Jeff, I could listen to you all day. I get so much out of theses teachings with different faiths. I have a few of my favorite Mormon conversations too.
love that Protestants read the bible then re-educates the Catholics and eastern Orthodox about everything. They forget the oral tradition that is handed down from generation to generation.
@Stinkyjo55 you can't refute oral knowledge that wasn't written and handed down from the apostles. No one can remember everything when you came to writing the gospels or letters. An eye witness doesn't necessarily need a photo or a written statement to be true.
There is no oral tradition. See Joshua 8:32-35. Joshua read a written word called the Torah. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for saying the traditions of men were the precepts of God.
If the Gospel had to be supported by oral tradition there would not be any difference to religions. Other religions and cultures have their oral traditions. The Bible is God's eternal Word. I believe only what the Holy Spirit says, not what another human like me thinks.
That’s allot of seeds pastor Durban, Iwish with all my heart you would be my pastor, teacher and motivator, blessing brother to you and yours! Peace 🕊️
JESUS on the CROSS; A PERPETUAL SACRIFICE . . .Perpetual: Never ending or changing. Occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted!!!! This man/Catholics could not have expressed a UNTRUTH more precisely. God Bless you Jeff.
The book of James 2: 14-26 What does it profit , my brethren, if someone say he had faith but does not have works? can faith save him? 18, But someone will say you have faith, and I have works" show me your faith without your works , and I will show you my faith by my works. So, FAITH & WORKS, goes together because you cannot have one without the other and by the way I'm not a catholic but a born again Christian.😊📖✝️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You forgot the first verse of the very same chapter First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, *intercessions* , and thanksgivings be made for all people, 1 Timothy 2:1 ESV
@@john_from_eastcoast. If we are called to pray for each other. We are mediators between each other in God. Christ is the one mediator in the sense that He is the only one who can reconcile man with God. However, there can be mediators in other senses - like praying for each other.
Protestants conflate justification with sanctification. Justification is through faith, but we work out or faith through fear and trembling. That is the process of sanctification. I confess my sins when i falter, because jesus commanded us to do so and continue to imitate christ more and more. Faith is an ongoing process, not simply a factual statement. Calvanist's resemble the gnostics to me.
@eucharistangel4662 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and DO HIS WILL (Christ says this). In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end" and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE GRACE OF CHRIST. In hope, the Church prays for "all men to be saved." She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven... what about this statement is not biblical lol? It's literally saying do the will of the father and through the grace that Christ gave to us on the cross we enter into heaven if we persevere to the end.
@eucharistangel4662 You misrepresent the Gospel. You are cherry picking the catechism and not reading contextually, basic problem of self interpretation.
This guy is not talking to a theologian Catholic. He’s just trying to debunk Catholics. That’s why he’s not speaking to somebody like a cardinal or an ordained priest.
He has learned all, so he can be great in the eyes of people in the streets. He speaks like a waterfall, even tells to the man "you believe". He does not need a partner in a dialog😂😂he speaks for everyone
@@PreacherJimCThe Protestants have this big misunderstanding with idols and such. There's a lot of reasons why people build statues and for the Christians it wasn't to worship them. During the Middle Ages in ancient times it was a tradition from the Romans and Greeks to build statues to express one's Beauty the other reason is more practical the vast majority of people in the past On Any Given Society couldn't read or spell that means most human beings around the world even in the most advanced Empires were pretty illiterate. So since most people couldn't read or write in any given civilization statues and paintings became very important to tell the story. That's why the Catholic church in the Orthodox Church where are the oldest Christian churches in the world directly from the apostles themselves have a bunch of statues and paintings, they continue that tradition. The statues and painting is the expression of beauty and to tell the story like if it was hieroglyphics for people that couldn't read or write.
Why target young Catholics on the streets who may or may not know their faith as much as the pastor ? Why not debate with somebody who is obviously equal with your theological intellect ?
Thanks to jeff and james white for helping understand more and also for guiding me to Roman Catholicism the original Christian church, I went from Baptist to Papist haha 🇻🇦🇻🇦
Shalom! my thinking on purgatory is like entering an uncontaminated laboratory, just because you have a phd in bio chemistry or molecular science doesn't gain you instant access, but gives you a guarantee of access but you still need to be decontaminated to enter the lab. heaven is an uncontaminated lab for the good and we need to be purified before entering even if you are a pastor or a priest.
42:25 this is just dishonest. The sin of presumption is NOT assuming you have peace with God. The Catholic Church is very clear on when you are at peace with God and what you have to do to get there. The sin of presumption is assuming you will be saved without repentance. You can disagree, but it is quite different to how you framed it here. I think it's dishonest and a tactic used to stir up fear in Catholics.
Trent Horn stated explicitly in one of his public formal debates with James White that the sin of presumption includes the present/current stage of one’s relationship with God…
Yes, Repent or PERISH (Luke 13:3) St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
Hearing the true gospel through jeff right after the young man asks about sin is so beautiful! Now that is GOOD NEWS! when the true gospel is heard and known we are so in love with Jesus and what He has done for us that we don't want to sin. Thank you Father for sending Jesus the Messiah for our salvation! Alleluia! ❤🦁👑👑🦁
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392Also read John 6:58-64 Jesus clarified to the apostles that what he speaks of, is of the spirit not of the flesh. He also presented an example that their fathers ate manna in the desert that came down from heaven. Jesus then tells the apostles starting with "But what I tell you etc..." (which distinguishs the difference between what the Jews ate in the desert and the apostles understanding of eating Jesus's body) that what he spoke of earlier in the text was of the spirit and not of the flesh. Now why would he say that if he was talking literally In the way the RCC defines it? What the text presents is a clarification that Jesus is not talking about eating a physical piece of bread and wine resulting in our salvation, but receiving his spirit through faith that what he did on the cross was the perfect sacrifice no man could accomplish on his own!
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392Also read John 6:58-64 Jesus clarified to the apostles that what he speaks of, is of the spirit and not of the flesh. He also presented an example that their fathers ate manna in the desert that came down from heaven. Jesus then tells the apostles starting with "But what I tell you etc..." (which distinguishs the difference between what the Jews ate in the desert that came down from heaven and the apostles understanding of eating Jesus's body) that what he spoke of earlier in the text was of the spirit and not of the flesh. Now why would he say that if he was talking literally In the way the RCC defines it? What the text presents is a clarification that Jesus is not talking about eating a physical piece of bread and wine resulting in our salvation, but receiving his spirit through faith that what he did on the cross was the perfect sacrifice no man could accomplish on his own!
You are correct. The last supper was the Passover meal. Every Passover is now the remembrance of the death of the Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus Christ along with the prior remembrance of the Deliverance out of Egypt. The, "this" in, "do this" is the Passover. In John 6:4, before the passages about eating and drinking the Flesh and Blood of the Lord Jesus, the Apostle John wants you to understand the context in which these words were about to be given. The Apostle reminds the reader that the Passover is about to happen where they would be eating and drinking the Passover Lamb, matza, bitter herbs and the 4 cups of wine. This is critical to understanding what it means to eat the Flesh and drink the blood of the Lord Jesus. Later in the chapter, he tells us what eating and drinking of him is:6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst." He wasn't talking about divine cannibalism. Eating and drinking of the Lord Jesus Christ is coming to him and believing on him alone for salvation.
I can appreciate the protestant position here, but read about Eucharistic miracles, read about the church father’s unanimous belief in the real presence. Martin Luther himself believed it.
@@james43258 I have no doubt there have been Eucharistic miracles. There are also miracles connected to Mormon,Hindu, Muslim, and every other religious institutions sacraments. In light of this reality, we have to return to the only place where we are going to find absolute, God inspired authority and that is from His word. Even the sorcerer's of Egypt could imitate God's Miracles up to a point. We are warned about false prophets that can actually do miracles in Deuteronomy 13. I know you probably don't mean this, but miracles in and of themselves mean nothing. Their source is only and truly discernible by going to the objective, God-breathed scriptures that he has provided for us to judge and test all things by.
@@james43258If you go back to the early fathers (Luther doesn't even come close to qualifying), you will find no evidence that they believed in either trans-substantiation or con-substantiation. These were later developments in catholic theology, built upon other erroneous doctrines.
May you be encouraged Apologia. Please saints continue in prayer and hymns for luke warm Christians like me. I read 1Cor 10 this morning. Hey pastor luke ! Pax Christi
Is it not possible that through your preaching that the irresponsible call to God is made? I didn't wake up one day just started to believe in Christ, it was though the message someone preached to me that my name was called and I feel that I had no choice. Believing in Predestination has nothing to do with your personal salvation and I'm not trying to convince you, all I'm saying is that is a silly objection.
@rayhanakram9912 if you believe that God has predestined who will and will not come to salvation, and you believe that he meticulously controls what comes to pass, Apologia Studios could close their doors tomorrow, never speak to another person about God, and there would not be a single soul moved into or out of a saving relationship with Christ than if they had not. As such, why is it important that any person evangelise? If the redeemed and reprobate is predetermined and set in stone, it's all just an act, and suggesting otherwise is a "having your cake and eating it too" contradiction. Acting as if free will exists while believing that it does not.
There are so many verses saying God predestines. The reason we evangelize is because we are instructed to. God uses means to accomplish His will. Meaning us. Not doing what He commands would show our separation from Him. Most of the greatest evangelists of all time were reformed “Calvinists”Just for your information someone doing what you stated would be considered a “hyper” Calvinist. A perversion of Calvinism
@@RavenZ27 God not only predestined the who, but the how. He not only predestined those who shall be saved, but that some of them shall be saved by followers who go out and evangelized. God ordained followers to be a part of His grand plan. Why is that hard to understand?
@Ironica82 it's not a hard claim to understand, but it is the laziest explanation and entirely unconvincing if you apply even an ounce of critical thought. The "I do what I do because I was predestined to do it, and couldn't have done otherwise." argument is a cop out to anyone who doesn't already share your deterministic belief, and it raises a whole slew of other problems, as well as a foolproof excuse for a whole lot of awful things.
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Typically Protestants will assert Ephesians 2:8-9 which says:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Since “works” have nothing to do with our justification they then argue that man is justified by “faith alone”. Obviously the biggest issue with this take is that when Paul says “works” he had a very specific kind of works in mind which would be “natural human works”. Paul wasn’t saying that “supernatural good works” cannot result in justification. In fact he’s admitting that those kind of works can and do result in justification in Romans 2:13 where he says:
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
And then there is of course Romans 2:6-7 which says:
“who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;”
When it comes to this particular passage what a Protestant will argue is that this was some kind of hypothetical[i.e; you could be justified by the law if you could keep it but obviously nobody can or does]. The problem with that particular argument is that John’s Revelation doubles down on what Paul is saying:
[Revelation 22:12]
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.”
Was Our Lord likewise speaking hypothetically? Certainly not. Especially when Paul clarifies that the “reward” is the inheritance of eternal life in his letter to the Colossians:
“since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”(Colossians 3:24)
The “reward” being talked about in Rev.22:12 is the “inheritance” from Col.3:24 which is alternatively referred to as “eternal life” in Romans 2:6-7.
SO WHY ALL THE CONFUSION?
Primarily the confusion is because Protestants don’t have a developed theology about merit. They do not understand that God’s rewards can be gifts and God’s gifts can be rewards. So if God rewards my good works with the “gift” of eternal life then I “cannot boast” and say that God gave me what he owed me because He didn’t. It wasn’t a strict obligation. It was just Him being nice. Or as Paul says:
““Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”(Romans 11:35)
Another passage that Protestants will appeal to is Romans 3:20 which says:
“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”
However St.Augustine had a very well-reasoned commentary on this particular passage. He writes:
“When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but ⭐️AFTER⭐️ justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit.”-St.Augustine, Faith and Works
Luther himself hated this commentary of course, saying:
““It was Augustine's view that the law...if the Holy Spirit assists, the works of the law do justify…I reply by saying "No".” (Luther's Works 54, 49)
Obviously Luther was at a loss as to give a satisfactory rebuttal to St.Augustine’s analysis. He very quietly conceded that there was another form of justification that was not a matter of “faith alone” but through works also. He writes:
“There are two kinds of righteousness that is the righteousness of another, instilled from without. This is the righteousness of Christ by which he justifies through faith... The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness. This is the manner of life spent profitably in good works..." -Martin Luther, Two Kinds of Righteousness, 1519.
This is something of a “come to Jesus” moment for Luther, since in calling this “other” justification “proper” and a result of cooperation with works, he has in fact adopted the Catholic position.
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Okay
Acts 9:31--which Catholics inisist is saying "universal"
.Acts 9:31
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
WHERE are the words "universal" or "Catholic"??? READ THAT verse again. It mentiones THREE areas near Israel.
Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
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Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
>>>>>Acts 20:7 Catholics insist that is a Sunday communion.
New American Standard Bible
7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [a]message until midnight.
#1--They leave out the facts in verse 11, that they ATE a meal.
#2--Had that been the Sabbath, paul was about to break it by traveling by ship!!!
#3--NO mention of worship or communion!!!
Paul was talking about his travels.
-----1 Corinthians 16:2-- Another verse Catholics use to prove Sunday us a holy day.
On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. ... .
Why does NO ONE ask what the collections is for??? All asumptions is what catholics preach..
First Corinthians 16:1 contains specific instructions to the Corinthians about a collection for poor Christians in Jerusalem. Each person must set aside some money on the first day of each week, meaning Sunday. A FAMINE in Jerusalem!!!!!
-----Catholics claim an idol ,image is NOT against God's commandment.
Exodus 20:3-11
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3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the [c]punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing [d]favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
------Catholics claim the Sabbath is Sunday.
Ex 20:8-11 New American Standard Bible
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your [f]resident who [g]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
--Catholics claim Mary was assumed into heaven..
That CONTRADICTS GOD!!!!
(btw--to assume--to believe in something with NO facts--NO proof)
John 3:13 New American Standard Bible
No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there. ... And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son ...
--..Catholics claim we go to heaven when we die.
----Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
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5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
----Psalm 6:5
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5 For there is no mention of You in death;
In Sheol (grave) , who will praise You?
-----Ecclesiastes 12:7
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7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the [a]spirit will return to God who gave it.
----Psalm 146:4
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4 His spirit departs, he returns to [a]the earth;
On that very day his plans perish.
----Ecclesiastes 9:6
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6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
-----Genesis 3:19
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19 By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”
------James 2:26
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26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
-----Job 14:10-12
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10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water [a]evaporates from the sea,
And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist,He will not awake nor be woken from his sleep.
-----John 3:13
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13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
-----Hebrews 9:27
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27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
-----Revelation 20:4
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4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12
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12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist, e will not awake nor be woken from
his sleep.
-----Revelation 20:15
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15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
>>>>>
@@DUB-Track I read NASB,
-----Catholics claim (some do) that Mary should be worshiped
Luke 4:8
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8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
--------What does the Bible say about true worship of God?
For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “
------Isaiah 42:8
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8 I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols.
----Catholics claim Mary remained a virgin.
Mark 6:3
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3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
(They are talking about Jesus!!!-Unless they had NO idea of who Jesus was.)
Mark 15:40
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40 Now there were also some women watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.
----Jewish Laws--Mitzvot #Mitzvot #124 Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations from your wife.
(Exodus 21:10)
#125. To have children from her.
(Genesis 1:28)
Had mary NOT given Joseph children, she WOULD have been a sinner for NOT obeying the Jewish Law!!!
And:
1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital ...
----The bible NEVER mentions any long standing vow they made!!!
----1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Who claims Mary is without sin???
1 John 1:8-10 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
because : Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
New American Standard Bible
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
>>>>Catholics claim Mary is in heaven.
John 3:13
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13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
----Daniel 12:2
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2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
----John 5:29
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29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
---JoIsaiah 26:19
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19 Your dead will live;
[a]Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the [b]dawn,
And the earth will [c]give birth to the [d]departed spirits.hn 5:28-29
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28 Do not be amazed at this; for [a]a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
------Hebrews 9:27
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27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
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It would be fun to see them simply go head to head with How to Be Christian, not to mention Tent Horn or Jimmy Akin. Maybe a priest like Father Mike Schmitz. Random street ppl are rarely confident enough to challenge anyone.
Catholicism has some problems, so does Calvinism, both men are Christians though, saved by Gods Grace through faith is Christ.
To the Catholic's credit, I was there that day (not Catholic, Reformed Baptist) and we were all there to protest the murder of the unborn at the Arizona State Capitol. I have huge disagreements with the Catholic church, but they'll turn out en masse to save babies and I appreciate that a lot.
You heard from a knowledgeable Catholic about their faith
its always sad how protestants talk about the church christ founded, it hurts my soul you feel the need to discredit us with lies, cause we also belief that we are saved through christ, Catholicism is the truth, and so is purgatory. I pray you humble yourself to accept the Lords wisdom. Its such a sad faith, im ex protestant, how can you say you love Jesus while talking bad about his mother (not you, protestants in general) is beyond me.
As a life long Baptist, we truly believe the word of God. The Catholic faith has added to this gospel and why Luther protested. While upset about what is being said, listen to the reasoning through the lens of Scriptures.
@@markbartlett5049 Who is your authority when it comes to interpreting scripture?
@d.t.7739 Jesus left the HOLY SPIRIT for us to interpret, not pedophile priests and popes. The cathecisms and papal decrees are not Biblical. RESEARCH!!! They kept adding falsehood about Mary in the 1870s!!! Study a Bible for yourself. Scripture interprets Scriptures. One Mediator and One Sacrifice. Every day priests perform a Mass, they literally think Jesus is crucified over and over and over.
I am Catholic from Papua New Guinea, God bless these women, and the gentleman.
Bless you brother. We are a big worldwide family, unlike the thousands american sects. God willing I will visit Papua New Guinea one day. Chritus rex! Salve Regina
Just a little over 2 years saved here. All the sins that I used to commit on a daily basis has stopped. All glory to God. So far it seems like when we truly fall in love with God we stop committing the sins and we become alert for every sins that comes in front of us and because of our faithfulness to God, we make better decisions.
Another thing. Works comes from our love for God and not so that we can look good for him. Following Jesus has helped me greatly. Life changer.
I love that you have been saved and have a love for Christ!
As you grow you will become aware of sins that you may not be aware of today.
It’s awesome that you’ve been relieved of gross sins that you mention. Sanctification is a life long process.
I know this because it was after many years of being saved that I truly understood some of my sins that were against a holy God. Sins I had not even thought of earlier in my walk with Jesus.
The longer we are in Christ the more we see our sins as glaring acts against a truly holy God.
The bible says anyone who says they have no sins is a liar
Ummm I’m sure you still sin otherwise there would be no need for a SAVIOR
Amen, when you get truly saved from satan's bondage, spirit resurrected and sonship restored, God's Spirit starts to guide and teach us to become Christ like, now able to live in God's nature, no desire to sin anymore.
(The true meaning of sin is living in satan's nature, the fallen condition we are all born into.)
Are you able to share with us from the Bible how a person gets saved without the Sacraments? I hear a lot of Protestants claim salvation while at the same time denying the Sacraments and I am just wondering where in the Bible do they get that teaching from?
I'm glad to see you're doing well. These questions and debates were a lot more civil than what I had seen years ago. Keep up the good work. ❤
Not all Protestants believe in calvinism. Just throwing that out there!
True these are never Catholic versus protestant debates it’s always a protestant versus protestant
Catholicism is a Cult.
@@pedroavella7615how so? Seems like Calvinism vs Catholic?
@@theSparkyWattsI'm a protestant but I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe it completely mischaracterizes God, as the woman points out in the video with the whole reprobate issue. I love Calvinist brothers and sisters but staunchly disagree with their soteriology.
@@VinceOlson96 I'm Catholic and I agree with you. Most of the Protestants I know don't follow Calvinistic teachings.
"If you really think that you can endure and enjoy the full light and fire of God for a second after you die, being essentially the same kind of being you are now, without any kind of divine operation on your soul, then you dangerously underestimate either your sinful nature, God's holiness, or the gap between them." - Dr. Peter Kreeft
it says that we will be given heavenly bodies and we are a new creation once we accept jesus so your right as long as your saved and turned away from your sins your good because of what jesus did on the cross our old selves have passed away
The Holy Spirit is "operating" on my soul while I am still alive, growing the fruit of the spirit. I'll never achieve perfection in this lifetime, but we are supposed to become more like Jesus Christ now, while here on earth, by repenting of all our sins past and present and renewing our minds with scripture of who we are in Christ without complaining and conflict. Philippians 2
@@ME-ks2vn Amen! I agree with everything you said. However, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically attachments to sin or other disorders. Idk about you, but I am a wretched sinner. And although I believe that my baptism, repentance, and faith in Christ will save me, I think I will need purification by fire before entering the kingdom of heaven. “If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” - 1 Corinthians 3:15
@@livingmydream2427Why are we still tempted if we're given new bodies
@@bcarollo1 1 Corinthians 3 should be read in all its context. Throwing out a verse like that in order to sneak in Purgatory is simply mishandling the text. It is not about entering heaven when we are "unclean". It is about what Scriptures teaches how we are cleansed. The gospel should be understood in the light of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Focusing on righteousness of man as means to enter heaven is not achievable ~ man's righteousness will always be like "filthy rags" before God. The Gospel that focuses on man's work instead of the Good Shepherd who promised that He knows His sheep and they know Him and hear His voice, and even willing to leave the 99 and search for the one that is lost is the One who will present those sheep to the Father, washed and cleansed by His blood, not by purgatorial fire!
Wonderfully done. And kudos to the Catholics for having a genuine conversation and asking good questions.
Great job Jeff. Kudos to Jeff for having a genuine conversation and answering their questions. Also for showing the contradictions in their thinking.
@matthewens509 I'm sorry, but I'll give him credit until Jeff actually speaks to Catholic Christians who KNOW scripture. Jeff would not be able to say much because he will not have the same level of understanding as a true Catholic Christian would. It would be like a college professor (Catholic Christian that KNOWS) teaching a student from middle school (Jeff).
@@richyaxl1151Catholics teach purgatory, worship of Mary & the saints as intercessors (Jesus is the ONLY intercessor) & that baptism is for original sin not to mention vain repetition through the priest who supposedly “absolves” you when he clearly can’t Catholicism is covered in legalities, rituals & traditions that take us away from Jesus. They celebrate the “Virgin Mary” more than Christ which is way off
Catholic seems lost
Calvinist believe in once saved always saved that's why they are lost. Research passage Natural Branches KJV. 🎙️drop
This pastor shows us why we need the church, tradition and magisterium to understand the bible. The word of God communicated by scripture needs the analogical language of the body to complete the message.
❤ Thanks. Every time I listen to Jeff I learn something new.
I learn Jeff isn't very good at defending Sola fide or Sola scripture.
@@dman7668 Well no one can defend both because Sola Scriptura disproves Sola Fide 🤣
@@dman7668or defending the existence of a god. But hey, he keeps trying and I’ll give him credit for that.
Like what ??? that he is nothing but a circle talker ??? he interrupts the guy just to put him down over and over again … first the Bible was given by the Catholic Church read the early church fathers and your Protestant garbage will crumble… trying to bring the true church to Protestants is like throwing perls in front of pigs … they are just as narrow minded as the Pharisees that demanded the crucifixion of Jesus
Catholics did pretty well. However, it's important that he debates with catholic apologists not just random simple Catholics. Then you will see that your arguments wont stand 😊
Would you like to have a debate with Trent Horn, Apologia Studio(Jeff Durbin)?
No, he wouldn't.
He only debates the toughest of catholic apologists, y'know, random people on the street on their way to get some groceries
James White does that and is an Elder at Apologia, so technically Apologia has debated Horn and won of course.
I have to politely disagree that he came anywhere close to winning.
@@DanielMotesSEOyeah no sorry man James white did not. James white refuses to debate Jimmy akin.
@@DanielMotesSEOJames white debating Tim Staples
This is such a great friendly discussion!
This is awesome because God is gloried! Great job Jeff!
I'm 49 and recently reborn,other religions need to stop reading between the lines,stop adding things to God's words and just use common sense.There is only one way to the kingdom and that's through Jesus Christ period!
It's that simple. John 3 16.
Amen! And Jesus built only one Church, not thousands of denominations, which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@petros-petra thats not even true. The church are the people that follow jesus. Not a catholic church.
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg
but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, *which is the church* of the living God, *the pillar and support of the truth*
1 Timothy 3:15 LSB
@@petros-petra that doesent mean it's talking about the catholic church lol.
I respect and appreciate greatly the fact that Jeff Durbin has enabled people to openly comment in this channel, unlike James White. I would love to see a debate between Jeff vs Tim Spales (Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or Joe Heschmeyer) on Justification. @Jeff... May God bless, guide, and protect you always! 🙏🏼
Problem is his approach basically using typical fundamentalist attacks and giving Catholic no time to respond. He is hitting at Deep Catholic beliefs and reality of sacraments that are Christ’s active ministry to us through He Himself.
So he is reinforcing ideas that further entrench fundamentalists.
This morning I finished reading the first public exorcism in the Church hundreds of years ago that included Calvinist and other protestant ministers.
In the end the Eucharist defeated the devils, not the Protestant bread and the demon said he is the one who founded these heretical belief systems within Protestantism.
One Calvinist repented and became Catholic, the rest left just like those who left Christ prior to the Last Supper.
Great conversations! I really like the patient and civil discussion about doctrinal differences. Great examples on both sides.
I can debunk both sides. Know greek translation on the biblical content. John,acts, revelation and other 100 💯 verses nail 💅 it to the cross. Confession James 5.
Pope fake francis endorsement of LGBT 123 and his false dogmas. Vatican is infiltration is there
Great conversation, good old school apologia right here…. Keep it coming, love you guys!
One of the most interesting Christian conversations I’ve ever seen on UA-cam. Everybody needs to see this video. Thank God this is online.
Thank god for his creating of the internet... 😂
@@eyesaw1146 I think someone needs to give you a hug.
@@2degreesos you're right. And you know who that someone is? God. He has nothing to lose by revealing himself to me in an unambiguous way. But he chooses not to. I can choose whether or not to 'follow' him, and I'd be choosing based upon something a bit less vague than the mishmash thousand times edited and (mis) translated contradiction that is the bible.
Please tell me why god created people with pale skin on a planet where in many places this means the person will get sunburn and potentially skin cancer from exposure to sun. Explain how this could be the result of perfect design by a perfect being. You know, the same one who after creating his perfect reflection of himself, his children, he then was full of REGRET (yes it says the perfect god felt regret.. think about that), so he flooded the world and killed almost everyone so he could have another go. Except all the evil water dwelling animals were safe anyway.
Imagine if Christianity had only just been invented, over in the middle east right now. It would be much better documented than it was 2000 years ago. But I bet you wouldn't believe it or decide to follow it. Seriously where did Jesus go and what did he do most of his life? We'll never know, because for some reason the only time god/his son came to earth, he didn't manage to document most of it in any reliable way. A perfect being went AWOL and left scriptures without any recorded author or witness testimony. He walked on water, and this was seen from a distance by one bleary eyed fisherman, and the fisherman isn't the person who wrote this down, it was someone anonymous who never met the only supposed witness. And this is the strength of evidence you're happy with?
Please explain.
Faith in Jesus makes me want to do good things. I don't do good things to get my salvation. Jesus paid that debt for all of us. All you have to do is believe.
Works are the FRUIT (result) of our salvation, not the ROOT (source of or contributor to) our salvation.
Can you tell me where in the bible by faith alone, you shall be saved.
@eugenefernandez4377
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 5:1
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Justified means declared righteous as Christ was our substitute ie saved.
To just believe, I know you did not find In the Bible you have to stop sinning for sure, to believe is to obey God. To be a true Christian one has to confess and forsake all sins in his life for the rest of his life and be baptized, where your past sins are washed away Henceforth you walk in newness of life. The Lord’s yoke is easy and light. Choose life.
@@eugenefernandez4377 here are four verses or series of verses. Hope these help.
John 3:16 (NET) For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:28-29 (NET) 28 So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" 29 Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."
Acts 16:30-31 (NET) 30 Then he brought them outside and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household."
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NET) 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.
I've been struggling with assurance lately after walking with him for years. I'm listening to this debate just because I'm always interested in apologetics and love the Apologia crew. Hearing these truths of the Gospel is refreshing. I look at myself to often and see my failures so clearly and easily lose heart. But hearing the Gospel always reminds me to look at Christ and his perfect obedience, death and resurrection and I have hope again. I need to hear and preach the Gospel to myself daily.
Find a Catholic Church to receive the Work of God in Holy Communion.Dont rely on yourself, rely on Jesus.
The Catholic Church misses the Gospel and adds works to salvation. Anything you add to salvation is like saying that Jesus's sacrifice wasn't good enough. Rest in the work He has done. It is finished.
@@DanielMotesSEO The Catholic Church is the One, True Church... "Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no Life within you."
@DanielMotesSEO Exactly. I can’t understand how you could be saved and believe Jesus died for your sins but also believe you can still go to hell. Jesus’ sacrifice was for my past, present, and future sins. Adding anything else is literally telling Jesus that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
@@traviscoston5238 If you have mortal sin on your soul when you die, that's how... Truth & Life RSV-CE
19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
21 whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.
Acts 3:19-21 RSV-CE
Brother you are amazing, praise god , your approach is helping me to tackle these same situations, god bless your ministry .
Thank you brother your giving me strength,
Your humility is soooo on point ...ninja 💪🙏
Excellent work. Excellent video. Loved every minute of it. Thank You
If the communion/ Eucurist was just
Physical bread and wine, why would St Paul warn the church not to eat or drink it unworthily???
Paul not St Paul. In the Bible it’s Paul not St Paul
I believe he means do not come to God to remember the sacrifice of Christ without being in a good place spiritually. A bit like if you have something against your brother don't come to the temple until after you make right what is wrong.
Coming to the memorial table to honor what Christ did for us (“do this in *remembrance* of me”) while being in willful disobedience through unrepentant sin is dishonoring the work of Christ, that’s what Paul means by eating and drinking in an unworthy manner. If the sacrament itself cleansed us of sin there wouldn’t be a problem, would there.
“This is my body broken for you … this is my blood …” Is just like the classic commercial “this is your brain (shows an egg), this is your brain on drugs (cracks the egg in a hot frying pan)” It’s the same thing. The egg is not our literal brain. Christ was presenting the elements as representations of what He was about to do for all believers.
@@kevinmbangue9226 you really make me laugh…. Who gave you the bible kevin ? Tell me I wanna know where it came from please because I believe it’s fake.
That's certainly one interpretation@@mishalleno-zj2zm
Satan hates to see Jesus on the cross cause it reminds him of Christ victory.
Like Paul said, I preach Christ crucified
The quote is crucified, past tense. and although I am no expert on what satan likes or dislikes, I believe an empty tomb conveys the message far better. I don't see how a portrayal of Jesus suffering would be anything but pleasing to satan.
His victory was his resurrection.
@@scrufinator1past tense??? Then why did Paul say it past tense?
Because Paul was after Christ’s resurrection. Jesus was no longer on the cross for He lives. ❤
Gal 2:20-21 KJV
20 (((I am))) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; (((yet not I))), (((but Christ liveth in me))): (((and the life which I now live in the flesh))) (((I live))) (((by the faith))) (((OF))) (((the Son of God))), who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 (((I do not frustrate the grace of God))): (((for if righteousness come by the law))), (((then Christ is dead in vain))).
CHRIST CRUCIFIED REPRESENTS US BEING DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD!
CHRIST RESURRECTED, REPRESENTS RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A GIFT RECEIVED BY FAITH.
Romans 6:7-11 KJV
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead DIETH (((NO MORE)); death hath (((NO MORE))) dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin (((ONCE))); but in that he liveth, (((he liveth unto God))). [NO BLOODLESS REPEATED SACRIFICE / MASS NEEDED]
11 Likewise (((reckon))) / [BELIEVE] ye also yourselves (((to be dead indeed unto sin))), (((but alive unto God))) (((through Jesus Christ our Lord))). DO YOU BELIEVE?
Romans 1:16-17
King James Version
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for (((IT))) (((IS))) (((the power of God))) (((unto salvation))) (((to every one that believeth))); to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For (((therein))) / [GOSPEL / GOOD NEWS] (((IS))) (((the righteousness of God))) [AS A GIFT] (((revealed))) from [OLD COVENANT] faith to [NEW COVENANT] faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS]
2Cor 5:21 KJV
21 For he [GOD THE FATHER] (((hath made him) / [JESUS] (((to be sin))) (((for us))), who knew no sin; (((that we might be made))) (((the righteousness of God in him))).
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
SALVATION IS NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S DOGMATIC SACRAMENTS
BUT RATHER BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE , THROUGH GODS GRACE LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST! Eph 2:8-9
PEACE
Miss seeing you speaking in the streets like this. Some of my favorite kind of videos. Great stuff, as always, brother. God bless 🙏
I disagree with two things,you can’t be forgiven if you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.And two there is no scripture that says once saved always saved, if I’m wrong someone show it to me.
Also, Jesus can't lose any, but he can and will reject you, and blot your name out the book of life.
Faith without works is dead
If you think you can lose your salvation but haven't yet, who do you think you are?
You did nothing to gain salvation outside of faith. You can do nothing to lose it, or you would have already.
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Acts 5:
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
So did they go to heaven?
Ananias and his wife?
@stevelovesgod works is a way for believers to discern you as a fellow follower of Christ.
That context isn't saying that those works matter for your salvation in the slightest. It is a 100% free gift from God based on no works of yours. You did nothing for your salvation but believe in Jesus.
Being saved is understanding that fact.
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you didn't answer my question at all about Acts chapter 5
Why doesnt this video have millions of views?
Im baffled at how so many prefer their ears tickled instead of preferring to listen and come to know the deep, infallible and trustworthy truth of the word of God
Because this "pastor" is a clown
What an amazing beautiful courteous conversation. Loved it
Interruptions aren't beautiful mate
@@iddodomingo6118 ok.
I especially love these inter-Christian debates because there are always so many new perspectives to consider. With a typical atheist/liberal, you can pretty much anticipate where the disagreement comes from. I wish you would do more debates between Christians of different denominations.
Always appreciate the respect Jeff shows in these exchanges. Great example for how we all ought to engage on these matters. God bless.
Bull**** He has loved spreading lies to other faiths that disagree with his. He's a non yelling bigot.
The girl can articulate herself, shes studied and is aware. Commendable
I wish he actually listened when she spoke. He seems to just be rehearsing his responses the whole time and cutting her off. Very irritating.
@@truthnotlies That is Protestantism for you. He already "knows" she is wrong. He is an experienced debater and she is a random off the street so eventually he will be able to confuse her into a position where he can make her look wrong. She she did well to defend the truth.
You seriously can't be trying to make Jeff look like the bad guy.
He didn't belittle her once and she never felt offended.
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So don't take some imaginary moral highway to nowhere, they're simply debating and doing it very cordialy.
That being said, this is a matter of a position vs a counter position - this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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"If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small."
-Proverbs 24:10 📖
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If you can't defeat Jeff's arguments then your strength is small and you need more strength.
Strength is of the Lord.
Be in line with His Word, and you'll have all the strength you need to overcome, not Jeff Durbin, but the evil one who is the father of lies and the author of confusion.
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Jesus Christ is Lord! 🙌
@@truthnotlieseh? He was very very patient and didn’t interrupt her once. Weird conclusion.
@@vladolenin1345 uh, I agree with Jeff on plenty of things but I'm not in a Jeff Durbin fan club or anything. Lol but ok then
Hallelujah! Been waiting for another video like this. It’s been a while. God bless you Jeff 🙏🏾
This is amazing. Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:1 have happened. Kingdom coming! Praise Jesus our Savior forever.
The Catholics actually did a pretty good job here .. maybe the online Catholic apologetic sphere which has been coming on strong lately is rubbing off on regular Catholics
Close...but close only counts with horeshoes and hand grenades. 2 Peter 2 tell us that "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves."
There's a hint of truth to every cult and every false teaching. What it comes down to is "was Jesus enough?"
Recent convert here. And Trent Horn is just about a Saint. Every doubt I had about the True church he explained.
Professional pastor vs lay Catholic. Why oh why does the pastor have to misrepresent Catholicism? Is that Calvanism 101?
@@StringofPearls55 it is the only way to slander the Church. If one is honest and removes bias you end up Catholic.
@@davidfunk6698 True.
Smart lady I was waiting for the answer to her questions, I'm trying to wrap my head around this too
The problem is the doctrine of the modern Catholic Church is light years different than the reformed Protestant church. There is countless caveats and nuances to reformed doctrine, as there is with Catholic doctrine. The Protestant doctrine is clear and biblical, but she has a completely different view of most Protestant doctrines. It may seem, at times, like he hasn’t answered her question, but its only because either he needs to explain further, cause she’s not picking up on the nuance, or they’ve gone off on a different tangent. That would be like me saying to a Catholic, “do you teach that everything that the pope says is infallible.” And of course the Catholic would respond,”no, only what is ex cahedra.” Then I were to not understand the nuance of what Catholics mean by infallibility and then proceed to assume the Catholic hasn’t answered my question. Look, a lot of what Jeff says, which I agree with, is a cause for debate even amongst fellow Protestants, it’s a far broader debate when dealing with Catholicism, cause you have to deal with purgatory, the immaculate conception, sola scriptura, transubstantiation, veneration of saints…. The list goes on.
Tp which one? The why do we sin after we are saved?
Jeff was speaking to an obviously wonderful family. If all American (and Canadian, since that is where I'm from) families were like this one, our nations would be in a much better situation.
Yes your leader is as bad as ours sorry about that but Jesus Christ will RULE. Satan knows his time is short
Glad I found your channel. Amazing thank you and God bless you ❤
I really appreciate what you do Jeff. How you sit and reason with people according to the scriptures.
no reasoning was done here hahaha. Jeff is manipulating the conversation to get clicks. This is protestant bait content.
@@Browndog222 agree 💯
Under his own authority, which is why no Protestants agree.
I was born in Catholic but when I knew Jesus I n my family left catholic church now we are follower of Christ and focus on the word of God. 🙏🙌
Protestantism has 1000s of sects…Not until Martin Luther people started to become saved??? This is a load of BS. People really think it took 1500 years to become saved? Katholiki Eklisia is and was the one true universal church since Peter was appointed by Christ.
So for the first 1,500 years of Christianity no one went to heaven?
Jesus founded only one church mateo 16;18,19. So you l
Left the church of Jesús for one formed by men??? Can you show me with the Bible who formed your "church ".
I enjoy listening to Jeff dialogue with people. He is patient, eloquent, respectful, brilliant, and loving.
I pray that God would help open Jeff’s heart to the truth that the doctrine of Calvinism does not represent who He is. These words are coming from a believer that was a Calvinist twenty years ago.
What made you change your mind 20 years ago
I was struggling with the many scriptures that contradicted Calvinist theology. I fervently prayed that God would reveal the truth to me. The Holy Spirit through the scriptures revealed to me that the passages of scripture that Calvinists use to support their doctrine were not being interpreted correctly and that the gospel is good news for all. If you believe in Calvinism, you can not honestly tell an unbeliever that God loves them, He died for their sin, and offers them the gift of eternal life if they repent and trust in Christ Jesus alone.Because according to their interpretation of predestination and election, that might not be the case.
@@my3pups153 TY for your reply - I agree with you. I left Catholicism and relied wholly on the Holy Spirit to bring me into truth. I had never heard of pre-destination I prayed about it and rejected it because I do not believe it is doctrinely correct. There are arguments within the Christian faith about pre-destination. Though I know that God knows all things, and he knows who will choose to follow him, and who will reject him - our commission is to share the gospel with all people, and then leave it in God's hands - trusting him to work His way in them.
Amen! Michael Brown has argued persuasively against predestination. If you have not feasted on those debates it would be gainful to seek them out. That said, it is clearly evident that The Holy Spirit is working powerfully through Jeff Durbin. He is extremely effective in casting down unbiblical doctrines. And he does it with grace and love.
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@@tangomcphearson74 Are saying Predestination is not taught in the Bible?
Great work Pastor Jeff. I thoroughly enjoyed it
Appreciate the cordial nature of Jeff Durbin. These conversations really show how important Sola Scriptura really is. Jeff responded so quickly with scripture.
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
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How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
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“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
A simple way of putting it is:
• All salvation comes from Christ
• Christ has linked salvation to Baptism
• Baptism is the entryway into the Church
• Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation
Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
Here's a quote right out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Study the Early Church Father's too..Google ( www.churchfathers.org ) and read for yourself.
I'll leave you more quotes below as well.. But read for yourself regarding this fact: I rely on our Blessed Lord's One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church guided by the Holy Spirit to provide me with All Truth (Not my "own opinion").
“Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
⬇️
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Early Church Father's:
Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes)
Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church)
St. Augustine:
"In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate."
St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology)
Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae)
Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi)
The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly.
@catholictruth102so what you are saying is that you don't believe the Bible...
@catholictruth102 so who is it that you say is a prophet that came after John the Baptist and Jesus?
As far as I know no one except false prophets like Muhammad and John Smith both of which burn in hell as we speak.
@catholictruth102 Paul was an evangelist, teacher, preacher, theologian, traveler, tentmaker, church- man, as well as missionary-all indicative of the extraordinary qualities of that strange man from Tarsus. But nowhere in the New Testament Scriptures is he called a prophet, though there are numerous references to prophets.
It's a relationship, not a membership you need. In a good family where you were raised up right if your parent caught you doing something wrong, you would be ashamed and want them to forgive you. So in God's family knowing that he sees you always = You should act accordingly.
Also I believe that when there is pride, people are not taking it in. Just seeking the next argument to win. Ever word that Pastor Jess has said from scripture, there was not a moment pause to think. It was just when one was answered, we are going to bring up another rebuttle. Not sure their hearts are truly seeking Truth.
I agree
They are seeking "traditions of men"
It was more of a discussion :) it was a good conversation to get to know how individuals think. No pride here.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter”
(Matthew 7:21)
God Bless Apologia, Pastor Durbin & Pastor White ✝️🙏🏻✝️
They both lost no protestant can't stand against the church that put the new testament together by the holy spirit guiding the bride of Christ.
James 2- 18-26
26 For as a body without a spirit is dead, so also Faith without works is dead.
I updated my comment to show the scripture verse. It's very sad that most of the responses have no idea that I was quoting scripture. James 2- 20 " Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?".
But the works come after and because of saving faith as we can’t work our way to God.
@@briancuff549That's what the Catholic Church teaches too. Pelagianism was condemned a very long time ago already.
@@briancuff549that's what the Catholic Church teaches!!!
Open your eyes. Stop reading Jack Chick comics.
Please define what “works” mean
Love is a work.
Protestant tradition and Catholic tradition. Each have their interpretation to scripture. Question is not what the Bible says but whose interpretation of scripture is correct. Some do shallow interpretation and some complex from the traditions. But all are attempts to identify what Jesus meant. This is the dilemma. Read Church history to those that care to find what the first Christian believed. Tradition is important because it’s a means to preserve interpretation and teaching to carry to next generations. We all practice it whether you acknowledge it or not to a degree. God bless 🙏
Actually what matters is God’s Word which was made flesh via the incarnation Jesus Christ I don’t really care about human interpretation if it doesn’t align with what Jesus says besides tradition & rituals are a problem when they take away from the truth of the gospel
No, the question is not who interprets scripture best. You cannot see past your own assumptions if you think that is the problem.
Scripture is one of many Church traditions, and in fact one of the later traditions. Our Lord did not instruct Peter to write a book, He told him to found a Church. And yet for some reason, Protestants think the bible is the single and only source of authority.
Where in the bible does it say we must only derive authority from within it?
The real problem is protestants take one Catholic tradition - the Scripture that we compiled - and confusedly try to use it to undermine the rest of Church tradition.
What came first, through? That's the real problem.
Unfortunately, when man touches anything, it goes awry. Trust in God's word. The rest is irrelevant. His grace by faith. I would recommend to stay away from a cult that practices falsely but continues to deny it.
Correct. And it was the Apostles whom were told that they will be guided by Christ himself ALWAYS. So the only churches that have a place to debate are the Catholics and Orthodox, due to their proven apostolic succession. Protestants and other "Christians" are simply following the traditions of men.
@@TruLuanPLEASE READ YOUR CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( CCC ) WHAT IT TEACHES IS HERESY IT DEFINITELY ISN’T ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE,READ IT YOURSELF! IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATECHISM IS TRUTH THEN YOU EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES OR ITS INTERPRETATION !
These videos are so helpful.
Thank you for sharing this video and confirming & solidifying my decision to convert to Catholicism after a life of being Protestant. All these type of videos do is either make converts more confident in their decision to convert to the one true Church OR cause confusion and division amongst Gods people. As a pastor, where is the honor in this? Why are you spending your time, energy and focus on this? How is this making you holier and closer to God? Ask any Protestant who converted to Catholicism later in life, and they would agree that your words only make their new beliefs stronger. So, the purpose of this video has accomplished 2 things. 1.) you’ve made converts & devout Catholics become stronger in their faith (which if I were to guess, is the opposite of your purpose & intention, so jokes on you 😬) or 2.) you have caused further rifts & division amongst believers, which is the opposite of what the Lord wants for you and for His Kingdom and has aligned you more with that of the enemy’s purpose. Either way, it’s not good bro. It’s not how a man of God should be using the time God has given him here on earth, it’s tearing apart the Kingdom instead of building it and UNITING it. I believe your heart is in the right place but what are your true intentions? Are you doing this bc you believe it’s a mission from God to somehow ‘save’ Catholics from their so called wrong beliefs bc you genuinely care about their souls? Or have you made this a personal mission to prove your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong? I’ve been there. I’ve worn these blinders of pride before and it got me nowhere except on my knees and incredibly humbled before Almighty God. He removed the scales from my eyes and stripped me of the lies and Protestant pride. There’s so much more that you do not yet know. The things you think you know about the Catholic faith are being seen through a lens. Maybe someday, you will receive a new lens so that you may see the whole Truth. For me, it was through great suffering that allowed me to see through that new lens but I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anyone in order to see it, but sometimes it’s what it takes. Jesus came to rescue us from Hell and eternal damnation, but we still must walk through the fire & be refined, not as a punishment (bc Jesus took that punishment) but as a way for us to truly become Christ like and receive a crown of glory. Christs death on the cross wasn’t our free ticket to heaven, it was an invitation to follow Him to the cross, our own cross, using HIS strength to get us there and trusting He will use our pain for an eternal purpose, for our OWN good. Purgatory is not a punishment, it is a gift. Nobody in purgatory is going to hell. It is a road to heaven. It is a continuation of the sanctification we should be living out on earth. God is outside of space & time, that is why we display the crucifix. When you say you follow Jesus? Are you following Him in the here and now? Post resurrection? Or are you following Him throughout scripture? Are you following Him to the cross? are you letting Him come alongside you and take you to your own crosses of your life and once you get there, and you face yourself, your true sinful self and you realize what you deserve bc of that sin, and its causes you fear & trembling and you feel like it’s the end, the end of yourself and there’s nothing but death in front of you but than you look up, and you see Christ up on that cross , in your place? And than you realize that’s it’s suffering that leads to salvation. That’s what it truly means to follow Christ. Jesus suffered, died, went to hell and went to be with the Father, yet never needed refinement. And because of what He did for us, we do not have to face death or experience Hell, and we get to be with the Father in heaven but we must first be refined and that must be done through suffering. Not necessarily as worldly suffering, but the kind of internal suffering when you look at your own sin and the consequences of that sin, so that you can work out your own salvation through fear and trembling, for it is God who is at work within you, so you may be without blame, without reproof. This kind of suffering should be the kind we welcome, We should want to imitate Christ in this way, bc it’s the only way to journey to truly holiness. Jesus didn’t die to send us to heaven only if we believed in Him, even the demons believe in Him. He died to forgive us of our sins, to free us from the grip of the enemy, so that we would be ABLE to make this journey of suffering and sanctification with Him that leads to our salvation. He died to make a WAY for us to go to heaven, despite our sin. Would you feel right or WANT to one day stand before the almighty God of the Universe without first taking this painfully beautiful, grace filled, courageous, & glorious journey? Would you feel right taking your seat at the table with your Father before becoming ALL that He has created you to be?
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Brother you wrote so much, you allowed your emotions to get the best of you. It was hard to follow some things because you went too many places at once. Consider expressing yourself in a better fashion, so more people could follow.
When it comes to your comment against him, do you the know the guy and his works? How do you know that this is all he does? No Christian is called to preach or debate in the streets alone. I was converted 10 years ago, after my faith in Christ increased after the passing of my father. He showed me His love through suffering, and ever since then we have walked together. My faith has grown and I've learned much of the secondary theology , apart from the practical work. My protestant brother is emphasizing some subjects, that doesn't determine all he is in the eyes of God. We can sit here and ignore Paul's plead to avoid pointless debates and argument. The reality is that there is a very real separation in the theology of the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant Church. I just love it when the Catholics claim their church is the real church of God. I have never heard a Protestant state that we have the real church, because the real church of Christ is formed by all who are His true disciples. Both sides have ween wrong in history and in modern times. However is foolish how much you jumped from one system of theology to the next one. Where was you foundation? Did you pretend that you were a protestant all this time, and suddenly jumped to the Roman faith? I've heard PLENTY of testimonies of Catholics converting to the Protestant faith. Mind you most of these people understand the difference in theology, they didn't shift because someone's word scratched them wrong way.
.....and you have issues with this pastor speaking scriptural truth yet follow a church that CREATED purgatory" to raise funds for itself. LOL
@@Dale-xm7bs on who’s authority/interpretation is he speaking truth? Is own interpretation? His pastor growing up? The head of his denomination? How do we know our interpretation of The Word is truth and not based on our own perception, upbringing, experiences or other peoples interpretation, that may or may not have had proper discernment to know whether or not it is the true interpretation? Also, not sure what century you are living in, but the Church does not accept funds for any kind of indulgences or people in purgatory…. they do however accept prayers or have Masses read for those in purgatory and we can offer up our own sufferings for them and for all sinners of the world. To believe that ‘accepting Jesus’ is enough to purify your soul and make you become like God but not being willing to walk through the refining fires of sanctification and being humbled enough to recognize we need so much more wisdom & understanding about the mysteries of God, than your soul is in grave danger. simply believing in Jesus will not make you holy & perfect enough to stand beside Him in heaven one day. You have to be willing to take the next step and work on becoming more holy by allowing Him to do that through and in you. Being so prideful to think you know it all and you are already saved but being unwilling to take a deeper look into your salvation is a dead end road. Even with thousands of years of testimonies, teachings and apparitions God has created through the Church, I still realize I have so much more to learn and discover about my own salvation and that’s what keeps us from growing comfortable in our sin and allows us to grow closer to God and further from this World.
@@robertosantibanez I converted bc God led me to the Truth. Plain and simple. The disdain I used to have for Catholicism was more than you know. It was my pride that kept me from digging deeper into what I did not know. It was being humbled by God that led me to the Church. are there true disciples within Protestants and Catholics and ones who are not true followers on both sides? Absolutely. But that doesn’t change the fact that God intended to have one universal church and He remains faithful to that Church to this day, even with all its historical flaws. God is not bound by the Church, but we are called to be bound to it, bc we are supposed to be bound together in one church, not dividing and separating ourselves from one another every time there is conflict.
Praise God for your beautiful ministry. May God continue to use you with love and power to testify about God's love. God bless you brother. Greetings from Reading Pennsylvania
No matter how many times you tell Jeff Durbin you don't believe something, he still gets to decide if you do. 😂😂😂
Are you talking about when he said “perfect peace”? It’s because she doesn’t. That’s not about belief or feeling. She admitted there’s wrath between her and God. She can *pretend* she has perfect peace, but she’s fooling herself.
Where did she admit this? She said she has peace because she trusts in God's mercy. @@artax7664 Jeff believes that you are sanctified on this earth. Not sure why that's necessary if you are already elect and saved without any free will in his part. Sounds like that sanctification is part of a cleansing, a justice that must be served on our parts.
I know, it's just crazy how he points out someone's contradicting beliefs with such ease.
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He's a narcissist
Great job Pastor Jeff Durbin!!!!
And Jesus said read this in memory of me. Opps He said do this in remembrance of me. Is early church fathers. Long before the scriptures were even written.❤❤
God Bless you, I pray everyone reading this can be encouraged to read as much of the Church Fathers as they can, even start with a 15minute read of The Didache, a document from 50-75AD and have a look at what Early Christian's were instructed on upon joining the Faith. Warning: Non-Catholics will be shocked.
@@wilsonsclips_ Is it in the bible? was it commanded by Christ? All that you need to know is in scripture. Period.
@@thearborbarber So when you hear the name of the Virgin Mary, do you leap for joy and proclaim her as blessed amongst women?
@@wilsonsclips_ no I don’t. I think of the mother of Jesus. That’s it.
@@thearborbarber So you don't jump for joy or proclaim here as blessed. then you're a hypocrite based on your last comment of "Is it in the bible? was it commanded by Christ? All that you need to know is in scripture. Period"
You prove you don't follow the bible and dont believe everything you need to know is in scripture. You're acting outside of scripture and denying it's Sacred Truth... Why don't you believe the Bible is truly the Word of God?
I would say the pastor was simply talking past the Catholic and there was no actual discussion here. Lets hear this pastor talk with someone like Jimmy Akin a Catholic apologist.
Great idea!
The Pastors teaching is great. The catholic did not want to hear it.
No. The pastor assumes too much about what Catholics believe. He doesn't really know what Catholics believe and just talked past the Catholic.
Is what catholics believe not in the Catholic doctrine? Is that not easily accessible to anyone who wants to know what a catholic believes? @icarlsw34
He is not talking past anyone. He listens then rerfers to the Bible to establish the truth. This is not a game, and just wait until your hero comes and shows him his error. You made no specific statements where what he has said is in error. So, how do you say he is? Back up what your claim is. You can't, obviously, but OH, you will get your brother to do it?????
Wow, that could truly be a life changing conversation. Bless you brother for doing this important work- so many don't realize what an important mission field is held in roman catholicism.
There is no Roman Catholicism. It's just Catholicism. That was just an insult started by Anglicans and we Catholics need to correct it like the N word.
@@dman7668 where, pray tell, do we find the Vatican?
@StrollinSodaPops
The Catholic Church in the Vatican doesn't call itself the "Roman Catholic Church". It's just the Catholic Church.
@@StrollinSodaPopsWhere, pray tell, do we find the Eastern catholic churches?
Catholicism is the truth my friend, may you wake up from your sola scriptura heresy. A revelation Luther had while takin a dump, claiming to be a revelation of the holy spirit lol
Another great correcting false beliefs and teachings.
Mormon rebukes Durbin is another interesting watch.
These kinds of videos are why I keep watching Jeff!
Him dodging questions and cherry picking verses out of context? Or?
I love this, this was a great conversation. Great job Pastor.
Salvation is GOD determined, GOD purchased, GOD applied and GOD secured.
From start to finish, salvation is of the LORD alone.
Those are your words. If you’re a sola scriptura Protester you need to quote only the Bible… none of this commentary is acceptable for you
Amen!
@@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077 Sola Scriptura never historically meant Solo Scripture. So Calvin, Luther, and the Church of England all kept church tradition. It's rather that Scripture is the sole infallible Word of God. The Reformation was never about starting a new church, but about going back to what was lost. Sure, modern evangelicals take it too far, but they don't represent the Reformers now do they?
Colossians 1:24
@@ihiohoh2708 if everything else if falliable then the bible itself cannot be used since "falliable" men determined canon
With all due respects from a French Catholic.
I was at first with Protestants when they came to me for making me discover the Gospel. I had disagrements and I chose my path. But no matter what I still have love and respect for you guys, despite all our little arguments keep up the good work and keep sharing the Gospel that's the only thing that matters to me.
The rest are just silly politics disputes, serve God as best as you can and follow His commands that's the only thing we all have to aggree on. ❤
Pay attention to the preposition:
“Work out your salvation”
- not “work for your salvation”
- not “work into your salvation”
- not “work on your salvation”
- not “work to make your salvation secure”
A believer already has “your salvation,” so it should be out-worked and made effective through his life in cooperation with (next verse) God’s work in his life.
@@ricksonora6656 so what happens to the believers salvation when he doesn't work it out?
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@@ricksonora6656 oh cool! Then I'll just sit back and keep the mine without the work.
@ Ok, that ungrateful attitude is fine if you want to draw a loving Father’s chastisement, which can go as far as sickness and premature death. And when you get to heaven and look back, you’ll weep for all the rewards you lost and all the loved ones who went to hell because you did nothing with what you had.
On the other hand, you might prove that “it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure” does not apply to you because you were a false convert.
@ApologiaStudios. You should have a conversation with the UA-camr Voice of Reason. He can answer just about any questions you may have about the Church's teachings.
I believe the young woman gave a uppercut to the Pastor at 29:44. She got him on "Why repent" if we're already forgiven.
Pastor got a little dazed in my humble opinion, but know, I'm not attacking pastor in any way.
quite a bold statement. not sure i watched a single second where he is dazed or where there is an uppercut. He responds promptly and quickly with scripture right after.
I caught that too. She is well spoken.
Thanks for knowing your faith my catholic brothers and sisters god bless you all
There’s nothing humble about your comment. Leave your opinions out of truth.
Praise Jesus for the young folks who set there and heard 2 grown have a Biblical conversation... and then have enough gumption to ask questions when the opening came
What a beautiful conversation Pastor Jeff. Very loving but firm in your conversation with the RC's on the truth of the Gospel. I thank God for pastors like you who can present the truth so succinctly in the field and rely on the Holy Spirit to work in you. I believe the love of Christ can be seen in these spontaneous encounters. If I lived in your area, I'd be attending Apologia Church. God bless you in your witness ...
Brothers and Sisters come home to the one true Church that Jesus Christ started ❤
Jesus started the church with the house of Israel, which became desolate a few years after the temple was destroyed, fulfilling Matthew 23:36, 38.
@soteriology400 what? The church of Jesus Christ became desolate, after the temple was destroyed. Show me Bible verse that says that. No, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His true Church has spread throughout the world by Apostles and believers since Pentecost. The true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ causes Satan and His demons to tremble, because they know that their Lord Jesus Christ said, the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. The true Church of Jesus Christ trusts God's Eternal Living Word 💯 and proclaims the true gospel of Christ and His Lordship over His Church (which is us the true born of the Holy Spirit children of God) who endure to the end not by our might nor by our power but by My Spirit says the LORD. Zechariah 4:6.
@@Jeremiah17910 I already gave the verses, Matthew 23:36, 38. This was fulfilled just a few years after the temple was destroyed.
@@soteriology400 The Jewish temple . . .
Jesus did not start the Catholic Church. The Church is the gathering of 2 or more who gather in his name. Catholic Church is a different version of a Pharasie
I think the pastor twisted the words that the Catholic said. Purgatory is a place to be purified. Yes. But after Christ has already given you the grace. As a protestant, you believe in a purification state, except it's a quick version. And the Apostle Paul taught that with his own SUFFERING, he would complete the sacrifice that Jesus did at the cross.
Wait, what? Paul has nothing to do with our salvation, that is Jesus and Jesus alone upon dying on that cross!
There's no such place. One of the many reasons I'll never be a Catholic.
So good! I needed to hear the gospel!!
Jesus on the Cross gives us his Mother Mary full of Grace! ❤️
I did not know that. What book & chapter in the Bible can I learn more details?
@bighome - that’s your authority and you don’t read your Bible.
Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28).
Jesus from the cross give his Mother to the beloved disciple John. Are you Jesus beloved disciple - I hope you are and will you take the Lords mother as your spiritual mom?
John 19:26-27: When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.
@@loveisaiah622 I think you should read that in it’s full context. That was an Angel that said that to Mary. Has nothing to do with Jesus dying on the cross to give us Mother Mary full of grace . He died on the cross to wash our sins, fulfill the law and Jesus NOT Mary, became our great intercesser between man and God the father.
@@bighomie1017 - I gave you scripture verse directly from the Bible and your giving me your own fallible interpretation . You must be kidding. Are you reading the Quran, Vedas?
Was the Angel Gabriel speaking his own Opinion/ words ?
Angels are Messengers of God. They relay ( without adding or subtracting a single letter) the INFORMATION God wants them to speak. They don’t speak their own mind. All your doing is eisegesis not exegesis.
None of this verses are in close context to Jesus dying on the cross, in which Mary became some beneficial figure of worship for the body of Christ. Mary is in heaven & to be held in high regard for her role God chose her for. However, She is not a divine being & she did not die a virgin. I use the King James Bible. I do not endorse paganism or books of false religion such has the Quran & Hindu Vadas. Of course it’s important to understand the foundations of dangerous religions being a former Catholic, to bring those lost in false doctrine to the one Truth in Jesus Christ. Even the Dewey Rheims Bible on its own contradicts the teachings & rituals of Catholicism.
Jesus help me. I’m trying to balance everything on my own, but Lord I feel like I’m failing miserably as a single mother. Both sons are special needs I’m so overwhelmed trying to support them on my own. I’m struggling to make ends meet, to pay bills, and to put food on the table for my children. Jesus guide me and give me strength. I have faith you will carry me through this difficult time.❤️
Sister in Christ! What I see as I’m reading through your comment is I, I ,I and there is where the challenges stem.
The only I that should come out of our mouth is I SURRENDER lord here are my challenges and name them and I trust that you are the almighty God whom will never leave me nor forsake me! Bring up his promises as you pray. It is valid to remind him because that shows him your faith and you will see God working.
Remember without faith it’s impossible to please God.
He is listening but he is waiting for you to surrender.
Invite the Holy Spirit to every prayer, worship and to reading of the word.
I pray this blesses you in Jesus name 🙏🏼
Lay your troubles at the feet of Jesus and leave them there, He'll take care of them. If you keep trying to hold on to them and do it yourself, Jesus will keep letting you and nothing will change. I'll be praying for you, sister.
Stop focusing on yourself and focus on Jesus.
I’ve seen your comment else where many times, at this point one is gotta think your looking for attention and sympathy other than prayers.
@@LCD04 You may be correct OR she could be reaching out for as much prayer and advice as possible. Either way, it's our job as believers to pray for her.
One of them is listening... One of them is telling the other what that other believes.. not letting the other finish his points and judging the other.. this is not a fair conversation at all.
Multiple great conversations did you watch the entire video ?
That's free for all Christianity for you. I do what I want to do, I believe what I want to believe. I'll do it my way, I am the authority!
One of them are hard hearted and stiff necked as God said, when He rejected Isreal. No one who follows Roman Catholicism can understand scripture and that's a fact friend. I love all of you, but the truth is not in religion and certainly far from Rome. The difference is God internationally blinded Israel and hasn't forsaken them. A Gentile will be held accountable
But what is supremely important is the truth the Word of God expresses is being revealed !
I agree. I would have likes to hear both sides...within interruption from the other.
So much confidence in your personal interpretation vs what Christians have believed since the first century.
Rome has changed its beliefs constantly since the FOURTH century when it was created. He literally talked about this, but you are blind to the gospel so you couldn't hear it. I pray God opens your eyes and calls you.
I like this but I wish there would be less assumption and equivocation on both sides. I am on your side Jeff, but the Roman system is not as simplistic as you are making it sound. We need to actually do a better job listening and hearing, not assuming certain conclusions.
He loves to presuppose and cut people off
Thank you! Protestants always get wring what we believe as Catholics. People see through this, then do their own research, and many come home to the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus through His Apostles. That's only one of the reasons you see so many more conversions to Catholicism.... oh, by the way, it's not the " Roman system".
Do we call Protestantism the
" worm system"? ( Since Protestantism came out of Worms, Germany).
@@cristinamz2137 I appreciate that, but yes you have your own caricature of Protestantism, and the “Jesus founded our church…” line is particularly old and anachronistic.
@@rickbaker261Since when did "old" become problematic in any of the "great" religious traditions?
@@GordonSou sorry. I meant old as in a tired and stupid argument
I love Jeff. The Gospel is so beautiful ,all glory to Jesus, but Jeff presents it so well.
Jeffy has no patience and cuts him off and misrepresents the Catholic Church teachings. He's also a Calvinist too.
Open your eyes.
Iv been to so many Protestant churches all I found is a pop concert and a motivational speech been going to a Catholic Church I feel god I hear the words of god it’s so much deeper if Protestants want ppl to come quit with the gimmicky pop concerts and bring back actual worship
Amen. Prots sell feel good feelings. Catholicism teaches the truths of the ancient church.
You probably didn’t go to Protestant Churches then. And it’s clear you don’t understand it. There are many new independent churches like that and very few are still orthodox. Sounds like you went to prosperity gospel church eggy are not Protestant at all. I have been to churches that do sing in worship for 30 minutes or so but have expository preaching of the word of God and still celebrating the Eucharist. And then there are more historical Protestant churches that are more traditional with a higher view of tradition. We are all still brothers and love each other regardless of our secondary differences.
But what you just said does not sound Protestant at all. Also, I’m not Roman catholic but I admire some of the Catholics views since they still teach orthodox Christianity. But have added too many medieval believes not supported historically or biblically
They have lightshows because their faith is based on "feelings".
We have actual worship, piety, and above all, Jesus Christ Himself in the Eucharist.
@@MystoRobot you are talking about a minority of Christians.
I'm not Catholic, but the lady is asking GREAT questions...l belive that all are called. And that salvation is for whom ever will!! And that is why we are called to preach the gospel that will lead to salvation to whom ever will accept the free gift of salvation and repent of their sins!! To those God gave the right to be called the children of the most high God!
Sorry, this Pastor does not understand Catholic Theology. What he is "debunking" isn't Catholicism.
Setup a debate with a Catholic Apologist. Let's see how that goes.
He’s denied countless times and argues with every day Catholics that don’t know how to handle the rhetoric they use
All I kept thinking was wouldn’t it be great if Sam Shamoun turned up to join this conversation. Praise God
Sam Shamoun is not Jesus. He is a mortal like any man. The fact that he validates Catholicism doesn't mean Catholicism is true. Put your faith on Jesus, not Sam Shamoun.
@@_Be_Still well said
@@_Be_Stillapply that statement to Jeff Durban too
@@RA4JDurban forbid
@@RA4JJesus validates everything Jeff said. Catholicism isn't biblical.
As a Catholic, I treasure my Protestant brothers and sisters, even if we disagree. But we agree on so many fundamentals, not the least of which the centrality of Christ, not the least on many social issues today. I find the entire "faith vs. works" debate very tiresome. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Who knows the entire mystery of faith? Who should boast that they know it all? I find it more helpful to focus on where we agree, and to have humility that no one really understands the entire mystery of faith. It is beyond human understanding, it is "supernatural" in every sense of the word.
But what does the scripture says matters the most, not extra-biblical material that might even contradict the message of the scripture. These are matters concerning life and obviously our eternity so it should continuously be examined...
@@tyhilibomkazi5692 Who is the interpreter of scripture? So many Protestants look to the Bible as the only authority, yet there are dozens of faith traditions that vehemently disagree on how to interpret the scriptures. The results of following "only the Bible" have borne themselves out, and the fruit has been division.
The scriptures say you need both.
I was saved by faith first , and now I do works because it’s fun to do , his way of loving and being a servant to others fills my joy beyond comprehension. I was never baptized by water when I was first saved . I called out to him , repented , and I received his Holy Spirit ; not only that I was also healed and all my desires changed . Now I do works because it’s my gratitude to him . He continues to bless me even though I mess up time to time even though I don’t deserve it . But yet I cry of joy because he’s just so good , I praise him when I feel it and praise him when I don’t . I did get baptize by water but nothing happened like when I verbally repented . No more lustful chains nor do I care for anything of what the world offers . All I care is about God . He’s always on my mind . His words when I listen to it melts my heart , but it fills more joy when I become a doer of the word also . Being a servant of any way that can help my neighbor to see the light that God wants us to be by following Jesus . I do works because through faith I was healed and saved . Every day I use my hands and mouth that will fulfill his purpose for me . Least I try to for him .
@@mark82592do you have the Catholic interpretations? I’ve ask many. Nothing yet? Where they at?
Jeff throwing down some hot 🔥 scriptures in this video. I especially appreciated the well placed Hebrews verses in the exchange with the young lady.
Jeff, I could listen to you all day. I get so much out of theses teachings with different faiths. I have a few of my favorite Mormon conversations too.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON HAS TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?
Jeff does not represent Catholicism accurately.
love that Protestants read the bible then re-educates the Catholics and eastern Orthodox about everything. They forget the oral tradition that is handed down from generation to generation.
The bible is not oral tradition, it is a written manuscript.
And let’s not forget who Jesus was constantly correcting, the Pharisees. Who were known to take scripture and add oral passed down tradition to it.
@Stinkyjo55 you can't refute oral knowledge that wasn't written and handed down from the apostles. No one can remember everything when you came to writing the gospels or letters. An eye witness doesn't necessarily need a photo or a written statement to be true.
There is no oral tradition. See Joshua 8:32-35. Joshua read a written word called the Torah. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for saying the traditions of men were the precepts of God.
If the Gospel had to be supported by oral tradition there would not be any difference to religions. Other religions and cultures have their oral traditions. The Bible is God's eternal Word. I believe only what the Holy Spirit says, not what another human like me thinks.
That’s allot of seeds pastor Durban, Iwish with all my heart you would be my pastor, teacher and motivator, blessing brother to you and yours! Peace 🕊️
JESUS on the CROSS; A PERPETUAL SACRIFICE . . .Perpetual: Never ending or changing. Occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted!!!! This man/Catholics could not have expressed a UNTRUTH more precisely. God Bless you Jeff.
The book of James 2: 14-26
What does it profit , my brethren, if someone say he had faith but does not have works? can faith save him?
18, But someone will say you have faith, and I have works" show me your faith without your works , and I will show you my faith by my works. So, FAITH & WORKS, goes together because you cannot have one without the other and by the way I'm not a catholic but a born again Christian.😊📖✝️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Saving faith produces and reproduces good works to the glory to God
Faith in front of other men NOT Faith in front of God.
I'm proud roman catholik I'm watching from Philippines God blessed to all roman catholik.
”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;“
- 1 Timothy 2:5
You forgot the first verse of the very same chapter
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, *intercessions* , and thanksgivings be made for all people,
1 Timothy 2:1 ESV
And not Mary or Saints
And what is your point with that verse??
LOL 😆
@@allismamahow do you mean??
@@john_from_eastcoast. If we are called to pray for each other. We are mediators between each other in God. Christ is the one mediator in the sense that He is the only one who can reconcile man with God. However, there can be mediators in other senses - like praying for each other.
This is a true gospel message. God bless you, Pastor
Protestants conflate justification with sanctification. Justification is through faith, but we work out or faith through fear and trembling. That is the process of sanctification. I confess my sins when i falter, because jesus commanded us to do so and continue to imitate christ more and more. Faith is an ongoing process, not simply a factual statement. Calvanist's resemble the gnostics to me.
Not all Protestants are Calvanists.
@eucharistangel4662 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and DO HIS WILL (Christ says this). In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end" and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE GRACE OF CHRIST. In hope, the Church prays for "all men to be saved." She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven... what about this statement is not biblical lol? It's literally saying do the will of the father and through the grace that Christ gave to us on the cross we enter into heaven if we persevere to the end.
@eucharistangel4662 You misrepresent the Gospel. You are cherry picking the catechism and not reading contextually, basic problem of self interpretation.
@@themanufan8 Better answer.
@eucharistangel4662The satan's masterpiece is making people lime you think that you will enter heaven without being obedient and having good works.
This guy is not talking to a theologian Catholic. He’s just trying to debunk Catholics. That’s why he’s not speaking to somebody like a cardinal or an ordained priest.
He has learned all, so he can be great in the eyes of people in the streets. He speaks like a waterfall, even tells to the man "you believe". He does not need a partner in a dialog😂😂he speaks for everyone
In otherwords he should keep quite and refer to those who are talking to him to go and ask a priest???
You're just watching this one video, Jeff and Dr. White have both debated Catholic theologians on many of their doctrines.
@@PreacherJimCThe Protestants have this big misunderstanding with idols and such. There's a lot of reasons why people build statues and for the Christians it wasn't to worship them. During the Middle Ages in ancient times it was a tradition from the Romans and Greeks to build statues to express one's Beauty the other reason is more practical the vast majority of people in the past On Any Given Society couldn't read or spell that means most human beings around the world even in the most advanced Empires were pretty illiterate.
So since most people couldn't read or write in any given civilization statues and paintings became very important to tell the story. That's why the Catholic church in the Orthodox Church where are the oldest Christian churches in the world directly from the apostles themselves have a bunch of statues and paintings, they continue that tradition. The statues and painting is the expression of beauty and to tell the story like if it was hieroglyphics for people that couldn't read or write.
If he spoke to someone ordained it wouldn’t be any different ppl just follow Catholic due to tradition not truth
Why target young Catholics on the streets who may or may not know their faith as much as the pastor ? Why not debate with somebody who is obviously equal with your theological intellect ?
To save them from going to hell.
@@brendan9218 faith alone could certainly lead those souls to Hell.
Thanks to jeff and james white for helping understand more and also for guiding me to Roman Catholicism the original Christian church, I went from Baptist to Papist haha
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Shalom! my thinking on purgatory is like entering an uncontaminated laboratory, just because you have a phd in bio chemistry or molecular science doesn't gain you instant access, but gives you a guarantee of access but you still need to be decontaminated to enter the lab. heaven is an uncontaminated lab for the good and we need to be purified before entering even if you are a pastor or a priest.
Yeshua has taken that upon himself
This 👆🏻by saying this you’re stating the work Jesus did in the cross wasn’t sufficient.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
42:25 this is just dishonest. The sin of presumption is NOT assuming you have peace with God.
The Catholic Church is very clear on when you are at peace with God and what you have to do to get there. The sin of presumption is assuming you will be saved without repentance. You can disagree, but it is quite different to how you framed it here.
I think it's dishonest and a tactic used to stir up fear in Catholics.
The sin of presumption can also be having too much confidence in salvation to the point that it leads to spiritual negligence
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON HAS TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?
Trent Horn stated explicitly in one of his public formal debates with James White that the sin of presumption includes the present/current stage of one’s relationship with God…
Yes, Repent or PERISH (Luke 13:3)
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John:
(110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.”
(Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
This is false. You need to watch more debates
Hearing the true gospel through jeff right after the young man asks about sin is so beautiful! Now that is GOOD NEWS! when the true gospel is heard and known we are so in love with Jesus and what He has done for us that we don't want to sin. Thank you Father for sending Jesus the Messiah for our salvation! Alleluia! ❤🦁👑👑🦁
And yet you ignore the very commands of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in John 6:25-71?
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392Also read John 6:58-64
Jesus clarified to the apostles that what he speaks of, is of the spirit not of the flesh. He also presented an example that their fathers ate manna in the desert that came down from heaven. Jesus then tells the apostles starting with "But what I tell you etc..." (which distinguishs the difference between what the Jews ate in the desert and the apostles understanding of eating Jesus's body) that what he spoke of earlier in the text was of the spirit and not of the flesh. Now why would he say that if he was talking literally In the way the RCC defines it?
What the text presents is a clarification that Jesus is not talking about eating a physical piece of bread and wine resulting in our salvation, but receiving his spirit through faith that what he did on the cross was the perfect sacrifice no man could accomplish on his own!
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392Also read John 6:58-64
Jesus clarified to the apostles that what he speaks of, is of the spirit and not of the flesh. He also presented an example that their fathers ate manna in the desert that came down from heaven. Jesus then tells the apostles starting with "But what I tell you etc..." (which distinguishs the difference between what the Jews ate in the desert that came down from heaven and the apostles understanding of eating Jesus's body) that what he spoke of earlier in the text was of the spirit and not of the flesh. Now why would he say that if he was talking literally In the way the RCC defines it?
What the text presents is a clarification that Jesus is not talking about eating a physical piece of bread and wine resulting in our salvation, but receiving his spirit through faith that what he did on the cross was the perfect sacrifice no man could accomplish on his own!
Through Jesus we are being TRANSFORMED FROM justification to sanctification to GLORIFICATION.
At the last supper jesus said do this in memory of me
You are correct. The last supper was the Passover meal. Every Passover is now the remembrance of the death of the Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus Christ along with the prior remembrance of the Deliverance out of Egypt. The, "this" in, "do this" is the Passover. In John 6:4, before the passages about eating and drinking the Flesh and Blood of the Lord Jesus, the Apostle John wants you to understand the context in which these words were about to be given. The Apostle reminds the reader that the Passover is about to happen where they would be eating and drinking the Passover Lamb, matza, bitter herbs and the 4 cups of wine. This is critical to understanding what it means to eat the Flesh and drink the blood of the Lord Jesus. Later in the chapter, he tells us what eating and drinking of him is:6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst." He wasn't talking about divine cannibalism. Eating and drinking of the Lord Jesus Christ is coming to him and believing on him alone for salvation.
I can appreciate the protestant position here, but read about Eucharistic miracles, read about the church father’s unanimous belief in the real presence. Martin Luther himself believed it.
@@james43258 I have no doubt there have been Eucharistic miracles. There are also miracles connected to Mormon,Hindu, Muslim, and every other religious institutions sacraments. In light of this reality, we have to return to the only place where we are going to find absolute, God inspired authority and that is from His word. Even the sorcerer's of Egypt could imitate God's Miracles up to a point. We are warned about false prophets that can actually do miracles in Deuteronomy 13. I know you probably don't mean this, but miracles in and of themselves mean nothing. Their source is only and truly discernible by going to the objective, God-breathed scriptures that he has provided for us to judge and test all things by.
@@james43258If you go back to the early fathers (Luther doesn't even come close to qualifying), you will find no evidence that they believed in either trans-substantiation or con-substantiation. These were later developments in catholic theology, built upon other erroneous doctrines.
May you be encouraged Apologia. Please saints continue in prayer and hymns for luke warm Christians like me. I read 1Cor 10 this morning.
Hey pastor luke ! Pax Christi
Faith without works is dead. You can be saved. But you will be judged according your deeds. And your deeds will be accounted for, on judgement day.
That was some fantastic dodging of her question about what purpose a Calvinist preaching serves.
Is it not possible that through your preaching that the irresponsible call to God is made? I didn't wake up one day just started to believe in Christ, it was though the message someone preached to me that my name was called and I feel that I had no choice. Believing in Predestination has nothing to do with your personal salvation and I'm not trying to convince you, all I'm saying is that is a silly objection.
@rayhanakram9912 if you believe that God has predestined who will and will not come to salvation, and you believe that he meticulously controls what comes to pass, Apologia Studios could close their doors tomorrow, never speak to another person about God, and there would not be a single soul moved into or out of a saving relationship with Christ than if they had not.
As such, why is it important that any person evangelise?
If the redeemed and reprobate is predetermined and set in stone, it's all just an act, and suggesting otherwise is a "having your cake and eating it too" contradiction.
Acting as if free will exists while believing that it does not.
There are so many verses saying God predestines. The reason we evangelize is because we are instructed to. God uses means to accomplish His will. Meaning us. Not doing what He commands would show our separation from Him. Most of the greatest evangelists of all time were reformed “Calvinists”Just for your information someone doing what you stated would be considered a “hyper” Calvinist. A perversion of Calvinism
@@RavenZ27 God not only predestined the who, but the how. He not only predestined those who shall be saved, but that some of them shall be saved by followers who go out and evangelized. God ordained followers to be a part of His grand plan. Why is that hard to understand?
@Ironica82 it's not a hard claim to understand, but it is the laziest explanation and entirely unconvincing if you apply even an ounce of critical thought.
The "I do what I do because I was predestined to do it, and couldn't have done otherwise." argument is a cop out to anyone who doesn't already share your deterministic belief, and it raises a whole slew of other problems, as well as a foolproof excuse for a whole lot of awful things.