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Typically Protestants will assert Ephesians 2:8-9 which says: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.” Since “works” have nothing to do with our justification they then argue that man is justified by “faith alone”. Obviously the biggest issue with this take is that when Paul says “works” he had a very specific kind of works in mind which would be “natural human works”. Paul wasn’t saying that “supernatural good works” cannot result in justification. In fact he’s admitting that those kind of works can and do result in justification in Romans 2:13 where he says: “for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;” And then there is of course Romans 2:6-7 which says: “who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;” When it comes to this particular passage what a Protestant will argue is that this was some kind of hypothetical[i.e; you could be justified by the law if you could keep it but obviously nobody can or does]. The problem with that particular argument is that John’s Revelation doubles down on what Paul is saying: [Revelation 22:12] “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.” Was Our Lord likewise speaking hypothetically? Certainly not. Especially when Paul clarifies that the “reward” is the inheritance of eternal life in his letter to the Colossians: “since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”(Colossians 3:24) The “reward” being talked about in Rev.22:12 is the “inheritance” from Col.3:24 which is alternatively referred to as “eternal life” in Romans 2:6-7. SO WHY ALL THE CONFUSION? Primarily the confusion is because Protestants don’t have a developed theology about merit. They do not understand that God’s rewards can be gifts and God’s gifts can be rewards. So if God rewards my good works with the “gift” of eternal life then I “cannot boast” and say that God gave me what he owed me because He didn’t. It wasn’t a strict obligation. It was just Him being nice. Or as Paul says: ““Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”(Romans 11:35) Another passage that Protestants will appeal to is Romans 3:20 which says: “Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.” However St.Augustine had a very well-reasoned commentary on this particular passage. He writes: “When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but ⭐️AFTER⭐️ justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit.”-St.Augustine, Faith and Works Luther himself hated this commentary of course, saying: ““It was Augustine's view that the law...if the Holy Spirit assists, the works of the law do justify…I reply by saying "No".” (Luther's Works 54, 49) Obviously Luther was at a loss as to give a satisfactory rebuttal to St.Augustine’s analysis. He very quietly conceded that there was another form of justification that was not a matter of “faith alone” but through works also. He writes: “There are two kinds of righteousness that is the righteousness of another, instilled from without. This is the righteousness of Christ by which he justifies through faith... The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness. This is the manner of life spent profitably in good works..." -Martin Luther, Two Kinds of Righteousness, 1519. This is something of a “come to Jesus” moment for Luther, since in calling this “other” justification “proper” and a result of cooperation with works, he has in fact adopted the Catholic position.
@@DUB-Track quote----.. I read NASB,... unquote Okay Acts 9:31--which Catholics inisist is saying "universal" .Acts 9:31 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied. WHERE are the words "universal" or "Catholic"??? READ THAT verse again. It mentiones THREE areas near Israel. Where exactly is Judea? Kingdom of Judea . The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea. ONE AREA!!! Galilee,----northern Israel Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range. And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon. AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!! >>>>>> Where exactly is Judea? Kingdom of Judea . The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea. ONE AREA!!! Galilee,----northern Israel Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range. And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon. AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!! >>>>>Acts 20:7 Catholics insist that is a Sunday communion. New American Standard Bible 7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [a]message until midnight. #1--They leave out the facts in verse 11, that they ATE a meal. #2--Had that been the Sabbath, paul was about to break it by traveling by ship!!! #3--NO mention of worship or communion!!! Paul was talking about his travels. -----1 Corinthians 16:2-- Another verse Catholics use to prove Sunday us a holy day. On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. ... . Why does NO ONE ask what the collections is for??? All asumptions is what catholics preach.. First Corinthians 16:1 contains specific instructions to the Corinthians about a collection for poor Christians in Jerusalem. Each person must set aside some money on the first day of each week, meaning Sunday. A FAMINE in Jerusalem!!!!! -----Catholics claim an idol ,image is NOT against God's commandment. Exodus 20:3-11 New American Standard Bible 3 “You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the [c]punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing [d]favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. ------Catholics claim the Sabbath is Sunday. Ex 20:8-11 New American Standard Bible 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your [f]resident who [g]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. --Catholics claim Mary was assumed into heaven.. That CONTRADICTS GOD!!!! (btw--to assume--to believe in something with NO facts--NO proof) John 3:13 New American Standard Bible No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there. ... And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son ... --..Catholics claim we go to heaven when we die. ----Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 New American Standard Bible 5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. ----Psalm 6:5 New American Standard Bible 5 For there is no mention of You in death; In Sheol (grave) , who will praise You? -----Ecclesiastes 12:7 New American Standard Bible 7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the [a]spirit will return to God who gave it. ----Psalm 146:4 New American Standard Bible 4 His spirit departs, he returns to [a]the earth; On that very day his plans perish. ----Ecclesiastes 9:6 New American Standard Bible 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. -----Genesis 3:19 New American Standard Bible 19 By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” ------James 2:26 New American Standard Bible 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. -----Job 14:10-12 New American Standard Bible 10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water [a]evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist,He will not awake nor be woken from his sleep. -----John 3:13 New American Standard Bible 13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. -----Hebrews 9:27 New American Standard Bible 27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment, -----Revelation 20:4 New American Standard Bible 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. -----Job 14:12 New American Standard Bible 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist, e will not awake nor be woken from his sleep. -----Revelation 20:15 New American Standard Bible 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. >>>>>
@@DUB-Track I read NASB, -----Catholics claim (some do) that Mary should be worshiped Luke 4:8 New American Standard Bible 8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’” --------What does the Bible say about true worship of God? For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “ ------Isaiah 42:8 New American Standard Bible 8 I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols. ----Catholics claim Mary remained a virgin. Mark 6:3 New American Standard Bible 3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” And they took offense at Him. (They are talking about Jesus!!!-Unless they had NO idea of who Jesus was.) Mark 15:40 New American Standard Bible 40 Now there were also some women watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome. ----Jewish Laws--Mitzvot #Mitzvot #124 Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations from your wife. (Exodus 21:10) #125. To have children from her. (Genesis 1:28) Had mary NOT given Joseph children, she WOULD have been a sinner for NOT obeying the Jewish Law!!! And: 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital ... ----The bible NEVER mentions any long standing vow they made!!! ----1 John 1:8-10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Who claims Mary is without sin??? 1 John 1:8-10 ESV If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. because : Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23 New American Standard Bible 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, >>>>Catholics claim Mary is in heaven. John 3:13 New American Standard Bible 13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. ----Daniel 12:2 New American Standard Bible 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. ----John 5:29 New American Standard Bible 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment. ---JoIsaiah 26:19 New American Standard Bible 19 Your dead will live; [a]Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the [b]dawn, And the earth will [c]give birth to the [d]departed spirits.hn 5:28-29 New American Standard Bible 28 Do not be amazed at this; for [a]a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment. ------Hebrews 9:27 New American Standard Bible 27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment, -----
It would be fun to see them simply go head to head with How to Be Christian, not to mention Tent Horn or Jimmy Akin. Maybe a priest like Father Mike Schmitz. Random street ppl are rarely confident enough to challenge anyone.
To the Catholic's credit, I was there that day (not Catholic, Reformed Baptist) and we were all there to protest the murder of the unborn at the Arizona State Capitol. I have huge disagreements with the Catholic church, but they'll turn out en masse to save babies and I appreciate that a lot.
its always sad how protestants talk about the church christ founded, it hurts my soul you feel the need to discredit us with lies, cause we also belief that we are saved through christ, Catholicism is the truth, and so is purgatory. I pray you humble yourself to accept the Lords wisdom. Its such a sad faith, im ex protestant, how can you say you love Jesus while talking bad about his mother (not you, protestants in general) is beyond me.
As a life long Baptist, we truly believe the word of God. The Catholic faith has added to this gospel and why Luther protested. While upset about what is being said, listen to the reasoning through the lens of Scriptures.
@d.t.7739 Jesus left the HOLY SPIRIT for us to interpret, not pedophile priests and popes. The cathecisms and papal decrees are not Biblical. RESEARCH!!! They kept adding falsehood about Mary in the 1870s!!! Study a Bible for yourself. Scripture interprets Scriptures. One Mediator and One Sacrifice. Every day priests perform a Mass, they literally think Jesus is crucified over and over and over.
I would say the pastor was simply talking past the Catholic and there was no actual discussion here. Lets hear this pastor talk with someone like Jimmy Akin a Catholic apologist.
Is what catholics believe not in the Catholic doctrine? Is that not easily accessible to anyone who wants to know what a catholic believes? @icarlsw34
He is not talking past anyone. He listens then rerfers to the Bible to establish the truth. This is not a game, and just wait until your hero comes and shows him his error. You made no specific statements where what he has said is in error. So, how do you say he is? Back up what your claim is. You can't, obviously, but OH, you will get your brother to do it?????
Bless you brother. We are a big worldwide family, unlike the thousands american sects. God willing I will visit Papua New Guinea one day. Chritus rex! Salve Regina
@@theSparkyWattsI'm a protestant but I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe it completely mischaracterizes God, as the woman points out in the video with the whole reprobate issue. I love Calvinist brothers and sisters but staunchly disagree with their soteriology.
Just a little over 2 years saved here. All the sins that I used to commit on a daily basis has stopped. All glory to God. So far it seems like when we truly fall in love with God we stop committing the sins and we become alert for every sins that comes in front of us and because of our faithfulness to God, we make better decisions. Another thing. Works comes from our love for God and not so that we can look good for him. Following Jesus has helped me greatly. Life changer.
I love that you have been saved and have a love for Christ! As you grow you will become aware of sins that you may not be aware of today. It’s awesome that you’ve been relieved of gross sins that you mention. Sanctification is a life long process. I know this because it was after many years of being saved that I truly understood some of my sins that were against a holy God. Sins I had not even thought of earlier in my walk with Jesus. The longer we are in Christ the more we see our sins as glaring acts against a truly holy God.
Amen, when you get truly saved from satan's bondage, spirit resurrected and sonship restored, God's Spirit starts to guide and teach us to become Christ like, now able to live in God's nature, no desire to sin anymore. (The true meaning of sin is living in satan's nature, the fallen condition we are all born into.)
Are you able to share with us from the Bible how a person gets saved without the Sacraments? I hear a lot of Protestants claim salvation while at the same time denying the Sacraments and I am just wondering where in the Bible do they get that teaching from?
This guy is not talking to a theologian Catholic. He’s just trying to debunk Catholics. That’s why he’s not speaking to somebody like a cardinal or an ordained priest.
He has learned all, so he can be great in the eyes of people in the streets. He speaks like a waterfall, even tells to the man "you believe". He does not need a partner in a dialog😂😂he speaks for everyone
@@PreacherJimCThe Protestants have this big misunderstanding with idols and such. There's a lot of reasons why people build statues and for the Christians it wasn't to worship them. During the Middle Ages in ancient times it was a tradition from the Romans and Greeks to build statues to express one's Beauty the other reason is more practical the vast majority of people in the past On Any Given Society couldn't read or spell that means most human beings around the world even in the most advanced Empires were pretty illiterate. So since most people couldn't read or write in any given civilization statues and paintings became very important to tell the story. That's why the Catholic church in the Orthodox Church where are the oldest Christian churches in the world directly from the apostles themselves have a bunch of statues and paintings, they continue that tradition. The statues and painting is the expression of beauty and to tell the story like if it was hieroglyphics for people that couldn't read or write.
I'm 49 and recently reborn,other religions need to stop reading between the lines,stop adding things to God's words and just use common sense.There is only one way to the kingdom and that's through Jesus Christ period!
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, *which is the church* of the living God, *the pillar and support of the truth* 1 Timothy 3:15 LSB
I believe he means do not come to God to remember the sacrifice of Christ without being in a good place spiritually. A bit like if you have something against your brother don't come to the temple until after you make right what is wrong.
Coming to the memorial table to honor what Christ did for us (“do this in *remembrance* of me”) while being in willful disobedience through unrepentant sin is dishonoring the work of Christ, that’s what Paul means by eating and drinking in an unworthy manner. If the sacrament itself cleansed us of sin there wouldn’t be a problem, would there. “This is my body broken for you … this is my blood …” Is just like the classic commercial “this is your brain (shows an egg), this is your brain on drugs (cracks the egg in a hot frying pan)” It’s the same thing. The egg is not our literal brain. Christ was presenting the elements as representations of what He was about to do for all believers.
@@kevinmbangue9226 you really make me laugh…. Who gave you the bible kevin ? Tell me I wanna know where it came from please because I believe it’s fake.
42:25 this is just dishonest. The sin of presumption is NOT assuming you have peace with God. The Catholic Church is very clear on when you are at peace with God and what you have to do to get there. The sin of presumption is assuming you will be saved without repentance. You can disagree, but it is quite different to how you framed it here. I think it's dishonest and a tactic used to stir up fear in Catholics.
Trent Horn stated explicitly in one of his public formal debates with James White that the sin of presumption includes the present/current stage of one’s relationship with God…
Yes, Repent or PERISH (Luke 13:3) St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
@@2degreesos you're right. And you know who that someone is? God. He has nothing to lose by revealing himself to me in an unambiguous way. But he chooses not to. I can choose whether or not to 'follow' him, and I'd be choosing based upon something a bit less vague than the mishmash thousand times edited and (mis) translated contradiction that is the bible. Please tell me why god created people with pale skin on a planet where in many places this means the person will get sunburn and potentially skin cancer from exposure to sun. Explain how this could be the result of perfect design by a perfect being. You know, the same one who after creating his perfect reflection of himself, his children, he then was full of REGRET (yes it says the perfect god felt regret.. think about that), so he flooded the world and killed almost everyone so he could have another go. Except all the evil water dwelling animals were safe anyway. Imagine if Christianity had only just been invented, over in the middle east right now. It would be much better documented than it was 2000 years ago. But I bet you wouldn't believe it or decide to follow it. Seriously where did Jesus go and what did he do most of his life? We'll never know, because for some reason the only time god/his son came to earth, he didn't manage to document most of it in any reliable way. A perfect being went AWOL and left scriptures without any recorded author or witness testimony. He walked on water, and this was seen from a distance by one bleary eyed fisherman, and the fisherman isn't the person who wrote this down, it was someone anonymous who never met the only supposed witness. And this is the strength of evidence you're happy with? Please explain.
James 2- 18-26 26 For as a body without a spirit is dead, so also Faith without works is dead. I updated my comment to show the scripture verse. It's very sad that most of the responses have no idea that I was quoting scripture. James 2- 20 " Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?".
I disagree with two things,you can’t be forgiven if you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.And two there is no scripture that says once saved always saved, if I’m wrong someone show it to me.
If you think you can lose your salvation but haven't yet, who do you think you are? You did nothing to gain salvation outside of faith. You can do nothing to lose it, or you would have already.
@@generalchrome Acts 5: 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? So did they go to heaven? Ananias and his wife?
@stevelovesgod works is a way for believers to discern you as a fellow follower of Christ. That context isn't saying that those works matter for your salvation in the slightest. It is a 100% free gift from God based on no works of yours. You did nothing for your salvation but believe in Jesus. Being saved is understanding that fact.
@matthewens509 I'm sorry, but I'll give him credit until Jeff actually speaks to Catholic Christians who KNOW scripture. Jeff would not be able to say much because he will not have the same level of understanding as a true Catholic Christian would. It would be like a college professor (Catholic Christian that KNOWS) teaching a student from middle school (Jeff).
@@richyaxl1151Catholics teach purgatory, worship of Mary & the saints as intercessors (Jesus is the ONLY intercessor) & that baptism is for original sin not to mention vain repetition through the priest who supposedly “absolves” you when he clearly can’t Catholicism is covered in legalities, rituals & traditions that take us away from Jesus. They celebrate the “Virgin Mary” more than Christ which is way off
"If you really think that you can endure and enjoy the full light and fire of God for a second after you die, being essentially the same kind of being you are now, without any kind of divine operation on your soul, then you dangerously underestimate either your sinful nature, God's holiness, or the gap between them." - Dr. Peter Kreeft
it says that we will be given heavenly bodies and we are a new creation once we accept jesus so your right as long as your saved and turned away from your sins your good because of what jesus did on the cross our old selves have passed away
The Holy Spirit is "operating" on my soul while I am still alive, growing the fruit of the spirit. I'll never achieve perfection in this lifetime, but we are supposed to become more like Jesus Christ now, while here on earth, by repenting of all our sins past and present and renewing our minds with scripture of who we are in Christ without complaining and conflict. Philippians 2
@@ME-ks2vn Amen! I agree with everything you said. However, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically attachments to sin or other disorders. Idk about you, but I am a wretched sinner. And although I believe that my baptism, repentance, and faith in Christ will save me, I think I will need purification by fire before entering the kingdom of heaven. “If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” - 1 Corinthians 3:15
@@bcarollo1 1 Corinthians 3 should be read in all its context. Throwing out a verse like that in order to sneak in Purgatory is simply mishandling the text. It is not about entering heaven when we are "unclean". It is about what Scriptures teaches how we are cleansed. The gospel should be understood in the light of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Focusing on righteousness of man as means to enter heaven is not achievable ~ man's righteousness will always be like "filthy rags" before God. The Gospel that focuses on man's work instead of the Good Shepherd who promised that He knows His sheep and they know Him and hear His voice, and even willing to leave the 99 and search for the one that is lost is the One who will present those sheep to the Father, washed and cleansed by His blood, not by purgatorial fire!
The Catholics actually did a pretty good job here .. maybe the online Catholic apologetic sphere which has been coming on strong lately is rubbing off on regular Catholics
Close...but close only counts with horeshoes and hand grenades. 2 Peter 2 tell us that "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves." There's a hint of truth to every cult and every false teaching. What it comes down to is "was Jesus enough?"
19:20 now who is adding to the Bible? Jesus never said that “eating his flesh and drinking his blood” means “believing in him and coming to him”. Where is that in the Bible? In fact when he was pressed about it he doubled down, allowed many to walk away and never said it was symbolic. The first man was trying to say this and the pastor kept interrupting him. EDIT: I am putting here this because there are too many comments and I have to keep answering the same arguments. If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" 1 Corinthians 11:29 "Do this in memory of me.” In Greek, this statement reads, “Touto poieite eis tan eman anamnesin.” Touto poieite can be translated as “do this” or as “offer this”. “poiein” is translated as “offer this” or “sacrifice this” over seventy times in the Old Testament. Also, every time “anamnesis” appears it is within a sacrificial context (see, for example, Numbers 10:10). It also can be translated as memorial offering or memorial sacrifice. While these nuances are lost in the English translation, the apostles would have understood the sacrificial meaning of Christ’s words.
@@dustinnyblom7835 so, you're telling me that in John 6:35 Jesus had the perfect analogy that people understood and gained Him followers. And later in John 6:53 He used this other analogy that made people walk away and potentially lose their soul, and He never told them that it was symbolic, but allowed them to walk away in verse 66. And he even asked the apostles "do you also want to leave?", Instead of explaining to them that it was symbolic? And even the apostles don't say they know is symbolic, instead Peter answers “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”, in other words, "You have the power to do as you said."
@@dustinnyblom7835 they go together and yet He allowed them to walk away. And never explained it to the apostles? I think it's rather, an incremental teaching starting with the symbolic and working torwards the real. If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say in 1 Corinthians 11:29 "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself"
The quote is crucified, past tense. and although I am no expert on what satan likes or dislikes, I believe an empty tomb conveys the message far better. I don't see how a portrayal of Jesus suffering would be anything but pleasing to satan.
Gal 2:20-21 KJV 20 (((I am))) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; (((yet not I))), (((but Christ liveth in me))): (((and the life which I now live in the flesh))) (((I live))) (((by the faith))) (((OF))) (((the Son of God))), who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 (((I do not frustrate the grace of God))): (((for if righteousness come by the law))), (((then Christ is dead in vain))). CHRIST CRUCIFIED REPRESENTS US BEING DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD! CHRIST RESURRECTED, REPRESENTS RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A GIFT RECEIVED BY FAITH. Romans 6:7-11 KJV 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead DIETH (((NO MORE)); death hath (((NO MORE))) dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin (((ONCE))); but in that he liveth, (((he liveth unto God))). [NO BLOODLESS REPEATED SACRIFICE / MASS NEEDED] 11 Likewise (((reckon))) / [BELIEVE] ye also yourselves (((to be dead indeed unto sin))), (((but alive unto God))) (((through Jesus Christ our Lord))). DO YOU BELIEVE? Romans 1:16-17 King James Version 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for (((IT))) (((IS))) (((the power of God))) (((unto salvation))) (((to every one that believeth))); to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For (((therein))) / [GOSPEL / GOOD NEWS] (((IS))) (((the righteousness of God))) [AS A GIFT] (((revealed))) from [OLD COVENANT] faith to [NEW COVENANT] faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS] 2Cor 5:21 KJV 21 For he [GOD THE FATHER] (((hath made him) / [JESUS] (((to be sin))) (((for us))), who knew no sin; (((that we might be made))) (((the righteousness of God in him))). Romans 10:9-10 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. SALVATION IS NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S DOGMATIC SACRAMENTS BUT RATHER BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE , THROUGH GODS GRACE LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST! Eph 2:8-9 PEACE
Catholics have a much stronger case in general, the pastor will surely win a debate with most ordinary people due to his previous experiences but that doesn't make him right. I am sure he wouldn't look as strong against catholic apologetics like Sam Shamoun for example. The roman catholic church is the universal church that Jesus started and appointed Peter as its head, he then sent the holy spirit to guide the fathers in explaining scriptures and guiding the church of God. Splitting away from the church is the devil's work, this lead to weakening the church and the Christian faith and ultimately lead to our current situation today. By separating from the church every person started explaining scripture out of his own mind, most of them not guided by the holy spirit... that is why you have thousands and thousands of protestant denominations today, most of the them disagree in many things, whereas the Catholic church is still preserved to a great extent (giving all that happened in the last 2000 years).
The church is the body of Christ and I have unity with all who are a part of the body regardless of the name on the building we gather at. The church is not a named manmade institution, and there is no biblical justification of it, as well as the fact that the transition between Christians meeting in random groups across the roman empire, and an established "church" which treated buildings as sacred temples, something antithetical to Christianity as our bodies are where God resides, happened slowly over about 300-350 years culminating in Constantine establishing the Roman Catholic church and building about 40 elaborate churches destroying the early church model of meeting in houses.
@@thebestSteventhe church was referred to as catholic/katholikos, which means universal, as a descriptive. St. Ignatius who was a disciple of John, used the word Catholic in a letter to the smrynaens. It’s likely the word was used before that. The Holy Spirit that Jesus sent to the apostles, along with apostolic teaching, was transferred to succeeding bishops which is why the church maintained its unity. Bishops, and the priests they laid hands on, were the only ones who could handle the Eucharist: the holy food that has the potential to kill you as Paul states in Corinthians. This is why apostolic succession is important. So the church is not just any person who claims to be a believer. It is very specific theology/ecclesiology. Just reading the specifications of the tabernacle, to ppl dying for offering incorrect worship or touching the ark, is insight to what is required per Gods holiness. Grace is why He hasn’t killed us all
@@jonmack2437 none of that refutes anything I said. I could start a club in my town called the National Football League where we play a game kicking a ball with our feet and let's say it takes off any becomes a huge sport, that doesn't mean we are the same thing as the actual NFL. It doesn't mean our rules are the same or that it is what the people who started the NFL wanted it to be. Constantine was a monster who coopted Christianity mixing it with the Roman version of the age old Babylonian mysteries religion and called it the Catholic Church. Also, there are confirmed unrepentant monsters who regularly take Roman Catholic communion and don't drop dead, like for example Joe Biden who knows NOTHING of Christ. He demonstrates NONE of the fruit of the spirit. So where is the apostolic power to drop him dead? He's had 60 years of being a greedy, power hungry monster and yet even on death's door your priests refuse to even excommunicate him. It's because the Roman Catholic church is not apostolic. The apostles are gone. That generation is over. This is the age of the church, the true church, the body of Christ.
One of them is listening... One of them is telling the other what that other believes.. not letting the other finish his points and judging the other.. this is not a fair conversation at all.
One of them are hard hearted and stiff necked as God said, when He rejected Isreal. No one who follows Roman Catholicism can understand scripture and that's a fact friend. I love all of you, but the truth is not in religion and certainly far from Rome. The difference is God internationally blinded Israel and hasn't forsaken them. A Gentile will be held accountable
Faith in Jesus makes me want to do good things. I don't do good things to get my salvation. Jesus paid that debt for all of us. All you have to do is believe.
@eugenefernandez4377 Galatians 2:16 Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Justified means declared righteous as Christ was our substitute ie saved.
To just believe, I know you did not find In the Bible you have to stop sinning for sure, to believe is to obey God. To be a true Christian one has to confess and forsake all sins in his life for the rest of his life and be baptized, where your past sins are washed away Henceforth you walk in newness of life. The Lord’s yoke is easy and light. Choose life.
@@eugenefernandez4377 here are four verses or series of verses. Hope these help. John 3:16 (NET) For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 6:28-29 (NET) 28 So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" 29 Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent." Acts 16:30-31 (NET) 30 Then he brought them outside and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household." Ephesians 2:8-10 (NET) 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.
Hey Jeff... why don't you talk with a Catholic Apologist? You are a Pastor, and you are talking with a Catholic layman. Talk with a skilled Catholic who can answer the questions well.
The pastor misquoted Ephesians 3:8-9. It does NOT say “by faith alone”. It says “by grace through faith”. He added “faith alone”, which is not in the text, nor is it implied.
@@ScottChase-f3r that’s true but when you see the context you will understand. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:8-10 NKJV
@@ScottChase-f3r don’t forget the rest… not of WORKS lest any many should boast. Sacraments- works Rosaries-works Holy days of observation- works Genuflecting- work Sign of the cross-work Etc etc etc
The so called pastor in the video has no idea why Catholics wear a Crucifix instead of an empty cross, as can be heard at about the 9:00 minute mark. The reason that Catholics wear a Crucifix is precisely because "we preach Christ Crucified and are unashamed of this Gospel teaching. Let's see whose side of the argument St. Paul agrees with: *_1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles_* ...." So it appears that the pastor in the video knows very little of what the Bible teaches. The Crucifix is folly to Gentiles.
Hmmmm ...so with YESHUA on the Crucifix, the statement many would say is HE died and is no longer alive, wasn't resurrected, and ascended? Would YESHUA NOT being on the cross mean HE was there, HE died, was taken off the cross, buried, & rose again 3 days layer so HE LIVES? Someone care to add your thoughts?
@@elizabethviars7246 *_1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles_* ...." Catholics venerate the Cross and the Crucifix. St. Paul declares that Christ crucified is folly to Jews and Gentiles. But as a Catholic Bishop, Paul proudly proclaimed Christ crucified and there can be no doubt that he would certainly be wearing a Crucifix to visibly proclaim the Gospel message of the Crucifixion. If the Crucifix is folly to you, then you should consider that you may be Jew or Gentile but definitely not Christian. Think about it.
@@dustinnyblom7835 You say that Christ is no longer on the Cross today. Well don’t you know that you could have said the exact same thing to St. Paul when he wrote those words 2000 years ago? In your way of thinking Christ had been taken from the Cross long before St. Paul wrote those words, so what gives? Why wasn’t there some wise Protestant telling St. Paul that he can’t preach Christ crucified but instead he should be preaching Christ dead and buried? Hmmm.....let’s see if we can figure out what St. Paul was thinking. We know that Christ was sacrificed upon the Altar of the Cross. We know that Christ is the only Pure Sacrifice. Now try to understand this. Malachi is the last Book of the Old Testament. After Malachi’s prophecies God fell silent for the next 400 years or so, and then came John the Baptist announcing Jesus as the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sins of the world. Cute little lambs don’t take away sin, so what is the Baptist talking about? Jesus is the Pure Sacrifice that we read about in Malachi, there can be no other. Malachi says that this Pure Offering will be offered in EVERY PLACE FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN TO ITS SETTING. *_Malachi _**_1:11_**_ For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts_* . Think about that my friend. If you were to seek out this Pure Offering every day, where would you find it? The only place that you could experience this Sacrifice is in the Holy Mass which is being celebrated every hour of the day, every single day somewhere in the world - “from the rising of the sun to its setting”. At every Mass the Lamb is slain. The Lamb is Sacrificed upon the Altar of the Cross. Christ is not sacrificed over and over again, but the One Sacrifice is made Present for all people and for all time. That is the prophecy, and you will only find that prophecy fulfilled in the Catholic Mass. So you see my friend, Christ is still on the Cross at every single Mass. This is reality. Now you know why we preach Christ crucified. Protestants deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Mass, therefore they are repulsed by the Crucifix. Think about it. *_1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles_* ...."
@@purgatorean Doesn't "Crucified" mean past tense, that it already happened? According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), the Catholic Encyclopedia, and The Council of Trent, we find the Eucharist referred to in many ways. - As a sacrifice “the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist” (CCC 1055) and “the Eucharist is also a sacrifice” (CCC 1365). - As a divine sacrifice “For it is in the liturgy, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, that “the work of our redemption is accomplished,” (CCC 1068). - As a representation of the sacrifice of Christ “The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross” (CCC 1366). - Is ‘one single sacrifice’ with Christ’s sacrifice “The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice” (CCC 1367). - It is the same sacrifice of Christ “And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner” (CCC 1367). - It is propitiatory (removes the wrath of God) “…this sacrifice is truly propitiatory” (CCC 1367). - To all who deny its propitiatory nature Trent pronounces anathema “If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.” (Trent: On the Sacrifice of the Mass: Canon 3); - It is called the sacrifice of Christ which is offered via the priest’s hands “The sacrifice of Christ the only Mediator, which in the Eucharist is offered through the priests’ hands,” (CCC 1369). - It is capable of making reparation of sins “As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead” (CCC 1414). - It is to be considered a true and proper sacrifice “The Church intends the Mass to be regarded as a ‘true and proper sacrifice'” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, topic: “Sacrifice of the Mass”). So how can the "unbloody sacrifice (Pure Offering) of the mass be propitiatory" when the Bible is crystal clear that "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness"? "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22
Jeff Durbin's argument that Catholic's aren't perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ is untenable. His argument is because we need to be forgiven when we commit sins in the present, that we are not being perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ. The Bible never says we are forgiven of our future sins and invokes us to daily pray "forgive us our trespasses." We obviously are not forgiven of future sins if we need to confess our sins (1 John 1:9) to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness. Also, John says that Jesus is our advocate with the Father if we commit sins 1 John 2:1. If we were forgiven of all future sins, we wouldn't need an advocate interceding for us perpetually in heaven to obtain the forgiveness of sins. We are forgiven of our past sins when we repent. However, future sins are not forgiven until we confess our sins and then Jesus, our advocate intercedes to the Father on our behalf. The Father is able to forgive our sins because he has been appeased by the Sacrifice of Christ. Thus, the Sacrifice of Christ does perfect those who are being sanctified - whether at Calvary or re-presented in the Mass (there is one Sacrifice).
I see your point. However Jeff mentions that the Bible teaches we can be perfected by the atonement once for all. If we are perfected only at mass it is not for all time.
You are confusing justification with sanctification my Brother. We are perfected once and for all ‘eternally “ through the righteousness of Christ, not our own. The sins we commit after our redemption, result in loss of fellowship with our Father, not loss of the eternal life Jeff is referring too. Hebrews says we can boldly approach the throne of God because of the finished work of Christ and HIS righteousness, again not our own. Our own righteousness is like filthy rags to our Heavenly Father (Isaiah 64:6). Sanctification is the life long process where the Holy Spirit changes us from the inside out to be more like Christ.
@@chrisjordan2650 Mortal sins can result in the loss of salvation. Otherwise, Paul wouldn't warn Christians - "envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
@@JonahStewart1 Christ sacrifice was the perfect atonement for sin. There is only one Sacrifice offered once for all but there is ongoing dimension to it's presentation in heaven and on earth. We are perfected by the one Sacrifice of Christ because the Sacrifice appeases the Father's wrath - and we can be forgiven of our sins and sanctified. Once for all means there no longer has to be a new sacrifice for sins, not that it isn't continually presented. Just as Christ intercedes and continually presents his Sacrifice for our sins in the heavenly sanctuary doesn't mean we aren't perfected by the Sacrfice....so too, the presentation of that Sacrifice in the Mass doesn't mean we aren't perfected by the Sacrifice. The ongoing presentation doesn't limit it's ability to appease the Father's wrath, forgive our sins, and sanctify us. Also, it would be incorrect to say that "we are only perfected at Mass." That would be like saying we have to present at Calvary to be perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ. We don't have to be present at the Sacrifice to be perfected by it. I think this is one of Jeff Durbin's misconceptions too. Christ applies the merits of the Sacrifice to us when we have faith, repent, and are baptized - and throughout our lives in the sanctification process. Being present at mass and receiving Jesus in Holy Communion is important for our sanctification but it isn't the only way that we are perfected by the Sacrifice.
@@truthnotlies That is Protestantism for you. He already "knows" she is wrong. He is an experienced debater and she is a random off the street so eventually he will be able to confuse her into a position where he can make her look wrong. She she did well to defend the truth.
You seriously can't be trying to make Jeff look like the bad guy. He didn't belittle her once and she never felt offended. 👋😏 So don't take some imaginary moral highway to nowhere, they're simply debating and doing it very cordialy. That being said, this is a matter of a position vs a counter position - this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE to rightly divide the Word of Truth. 👇😊 "If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small." -Proverbs 24:10 📖 🕊️📖🔥 If you can't defeat Jeff's arguments then your strength is small and you need more strength. Strength is of the Lord. Be in line with His Word, and you'll have all the strength you need to overcome, not Jeff Durbin, but the evil one who is the father of lies and the author of confusion. 🕊️ Jesus Christ is Lord! 🙌
Why do reformed “Christians” never specify who’s ideology they are following. Commonly i see Protestants tell Catholics what they believe instead of asking how they arrive to a conclusion.
If you read your Bible, you'll know why the Catholic church is false and why ppl run away. You don't need any of the extra garbage they put in. Just Jesus !!!
I believe the young woman gave a uppercut to the Pastor at 29:44. She got him on "Why repent" if we're already forgiven. Pastor got a little dazed in my humble opinion, but know, I'm not attacking pastor in any way.
quite a bold statement. not sure i watched a single second where he is dazed or where there is an uppercut. He responds promptly and quickly with scripture right after.
Repentance is to change your mind. Metanoia. To change your mind from unbelief in Christ’s atoning work & resurrection &/or trusting your own works for salvation, to putting your faith in Him only for salvation. Forgiveness happened on the cross. Tetelestai.
I think the pastor twisted the words that the Catholic said. Purgatory is a place to be purified. Yes. But after Christ has already given you the grace. As a protestant, you believe in a purification state, except it's a quick version. And the Apostle Paul taught that with his own SUFFERING, he would complete the sacrifice that Jesus did at the cross.
I like this but I wish there would be less assumption and equivocation on both sides. I am on your side Jeff, but the Roman system is not as simplistic as you are making it sound. We need to actually do a better job listening and hearing, not assuming certain conclusions.
Thank you! Protestants always get wring what we believe as Catholics. People see through this, then do their own research, and many come home to the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus through His Apostles. That's only one of the reasons you see so many more conversions to Catholicism.... oh, by the way, it's not the " Roman system". Do we call Protestantism the " worm system"? ( Since Protestantism came out of Worms, Germany).
@@cristinamz2137 I appreciate that, but yes you have your own caricature of Protestantism, and the “Jesus founded our church…” line is particularly old and anachronistic.
I usually agree with how Pastor Jeff argues, but he is mistaken when he says, "those who eat His Flesh and drink His Blood are those that believe in Him and come to Him." That is NOT what the Bible says. The Bible actually says the reverse...those who eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood abide in Him. According to the Text, the eating of His Flesh and drinking of His Blood is what makes you abide in Him. Jesus says His Flesh is REAL FOOD and His Blood REAL DRINK, He does NOT say believing in Me is drinking My Blood and eating My Flesh.
"Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven-not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever. (John 6:53-58)”
This chapter has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper or communion. Nothing about the eucharist being represented at all.. v. 38 For I have come down from heaven v. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. v. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. v. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day Notice Jesus said He is the bread that CAME down. Past tense 3 times! Nothing about coming down again in the future. Also Jesus stated that He is bread. Not bread is Jesus. That is the logical fallacy of equivocation. Lastly anything more than trusting in the sufficiency of Christ for eternal life denies verse 40.
Brother, flash of Jesus is the living bread ( words of the God ) his blood is the BELIVE in him ( Holy Spirit ) he died and took all his sins with him and washed off all of them with his BLOOD ! Holly Blood! By saying my Flash is the real Bread, Lord Jesus said than everyone who come to him will be no longer hungry and those who believe in him never ever will be thirsty, because will receive the Holy Spirit and Jesus and his Father ( Our Father ) will dwell in us !! The blood represents the LIFE ! When you the received the Holy Spirit I am talking IF you are BORN and Babtize in the Holy Spirit and you are BORN again as the new creation ! You belong to Jesus and you become the Body of Jesus !! Your name has been sealed in the book of life and you have enternal life !
I've been struggling with assurance lately after walking with him for years. I'm listening to this debate just because I'm always interested in apologetics and love the Apologia crew. Hearing these truths of the Gospel is refreshing. I look at myself to often and see my failures so clearly and easily lose heart. But hearing the Gospel always reminds me to look at Christ and his perfect obedience, death and resurrection and I have hope again. I need to hear and preach the Gospel to myself daily.
The Catholic Church misses the Gospel and adds works to salvation. Anything you add to salvation is like saying that Jesus's sacrifice wasn't good enough. Rest in the work He has done. It is finished.
@DanielMotesSEO Exactly. I can’t understand how you could be saved and believe Jesus died for your sins but also believe you can still go to hell. Jesus’ sacrifice was for my past, present, and future sins. Adding anything else is literally telling Jesus that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
@@traviscoston5238 If you have mortal sin on your soul when you die, that's how... Truth & Life RSV-CE 19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21 whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old. Acts 3:19-21 RSV-CE
Protestant tradition and Catholic tradition. Each have their interpretation to scripture. Question is not what the Bible says but whose interpretation of scripture is correct. Some do shallow interpretation and some complex from the traditions. But all are attempts to identify what Jesus meant. This is the dilemma. Read Church history to those that care to find what the first Christian believed. Tradition is important because it’s a means to preserve interpretation and teaching to carry to next generations. We all practice it whether you acknowledge it or not to a degree. God bless 🙏
Actually what matters is God’s Word which was made flesh via the incarnation Jesus Christ I don’t really care about human interpretation if it doesn’t align with what Jesus says besides tradition & rituals are a problem when they take away from the truth of the gospel
No, the question is not who interprets scripture best. You cannot see past your own assumptions if you think that is the problem. Scripture is one of many Church traditions, and in fact one of the later traditions. Our Lord did not instruct Peter to write a book, He told him to found a Church. And yet for some reason, Protestants think the bible is the single and only source of authority. Where in the bible does it say we must only derive authority from within it? The real problem is protestants take one Catholic tradition - the Scripture that we compiled - and confusedly try to use it to undermine the rest of Church tradition. What came first, through? That's the real problem.
Unfortunately, when man touches anything, it goes awry. Trust in God's word. The rest is irrelevant. His grace by faith. I would recommend to stay away from a cult that practices falsely but continues to deny it.
Correct. And it was the Apostles whom were told that they will be guided by Christ himself ALWAYS. So the only churches that have a place to debate are the Catholics and Orthodox, due to their proven apostolic succession. Protestants and other "Christians" are simply following the traditions of men.
@@TruLuanPLEASE READ YOUR CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( CCC ) WHAT IT TEACHES IS HERESY IT DEFINITELY ISN’T ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE,READ IT YOURSELF! IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATECHISM IS TRUTH THEN YOU EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES OR ITS INTERPRETATION !
Why target young Catholics on the streets who may or may not know their faith as much as the pastor ? Why not debate with somebody who is obviously equal with your theological intellect ?
At time stamp 24:20 Jeff tries to assert that Abraham was justified by faith alone. An experienced Catholic like myself would have caught this attempt and I wouldn't have granted Jeff this. Jeff knows Abraham was justified by his works as a fact because James himself tells us he was when he offered his son Issac up. So Jeff is flat out ignoring this fact because it doesn't fit the faith alone narrative which is honestly false.
As a Catholic, I treasure my Protestant brothers and sisters, even if we disagree. But we agree on so many fundamentals, not the least of which the centrality of Christ, not the least on many social issues today. I find the entire "faith vs. works" debate very tiresome. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Who knows the entire mystery of faith? Who should boast that they know it all? I find it more helpful to focus on where we agree, and to have humility that no one really understands the entire mystery of faith. It is beyond human understanding, it is "supernatural" in every sense of the word.
But what does the scripture says matters the most, not extra-biblical material that might even contradict the message of the scripture. These are matters concerning life and obviously our eternity so it should continuously be examined...
@@tyhilibomkazi5692 Who is the interpreter of scripture? So many Protestants look to the Bible as the only authority, yet there are dozens of faith traditions that vehemently disagree on how to interpret the scriptures. The results of following "only the Bible" have borne themselves out, and the fruit has been division.
I was saved by faith first , and now I do works because it’s fun to do , his way of loving and being a servant to others fills my joy beyond comprehension. I was never baptized by water when I was first saved . I called out to him , repented , and I received his Holy Spirit ; not only that I was also healed and all my desires changed . Now I do works because it’s my gratitude to him . He continues to bless me even though I mess up time to time even though I don’t deserve it . But yet I cry of joy because he’s just so good , I praise him when I feel it and praise him when I don’t . I did get baptize by water but nothing happened like when I verbally repented . No more lustful chains nor do I care for anything of what the world offers . All I care is about God . He’s always on my mind . His words when I listen to it melts my heart , but it fills more joy when I become a doer of the word also . Being a servant of any way that can help my neighbor to see the light that God wants us to be by following Jesus . I do works because through faith I was healed and saved . Every day I use my hands and mouth that will fulfill his purpose for me . Least I try to for him .
I respect and appreciate greatly the fact that Jeff Durbin has enabled people to openly comment in this channel, unlike James White. I would love to see a debate between Jeff vs Tim Spales (Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or Joe Heschmeyer) on Justification. @Jeff... May God bless, guide, and protect you always! 🙏🏼
Problem is his approach basically using typical fundamentalist attacks and giving Catholic no time to respond. He is hitting at Deep Catholic beliefs and reality of sacraments that are Christ’s active ministry to us through He Himself. So he is reinforcing ideas that further entrench fundamentalists. This morning I finished reading the first public exorcism in the Church hundreds of years ago that included Calvinist and other protestant ministers. In the end the Eucharist defeated the devils, not the Protestant bread and the demon said he is the one who founded these heretical belief systems within Protestantism. One Calvinist repented and became Catholic, the rest left just like those who left Christ prior to the Last Supper.
I enjoy listening to Jeff dialogue with people. He is patient, eloquent, respectful, brilliant, and loving. I pray that God would help open Jeff’s heart to the truth that the doctrine of Calvinism does not represent who He is. These words are coming from a believer that was a Calvinist twenty years ago.
I was struggling with the many scriptures that contradicted Calvinist theology. I fervently prayed that God would reveal the truth to me. The Holy Spirit through the scriptures revealed to me that the passages of scripture that Calvinists use to support their doctrine were not being interpreted correctly and that the gospel is good news for all. If you believe in Calvinism, you can not honestly tell an unbeliever that God loves them, He died for their sin, and offers them the gift of eternal life if they repent and trust in Christ Jesus alone.Because according to their interpretation of predestination and election, that might not be the case.
@@my3pups153 TY for your reply - I agree with you. I left Catholicism and relied wholly on the Holy Spirit to bring me into truth. I had never heard of pre-destination I prayed about it and rejected it because I do not believe it is doctrinely correct. There are arguments within the Christian faith about pre-destination. Though I know that God knows all things, and he knows who will choose to follow him, and who will reject him - our commission is to share the gospel with all people, and then leave it in God's hands - trusting him to work His way in them.
Amen! Michael Brown has argued persuasively against predestination. If you have not feasted on those debates it would be gainful to seek them out. That said, it is clearly evident that The Holy Spirit is working powerfully through Jeff Durbin. He is extremely effective in casting down unbiblical doctrines. And he does it with grace and love. ❤
I can debunk both sides. Know greek translation on the biblical content. John,acts, revelation and other 100 💯 verses nail 💅 it to the cross. Confession James 5. Pope fake francis endorsement of LGBT 123 and his false dogmas. Vatican is infiltration is there
Are you talking about when he said “perfect peace”? It’s because she doesn’t. That’s not about belief or feeling. She admitted there’s wrath between her and God. She can *pretend* she has perfect peace, but she’s fooling herself.
Where did she admit this? She said she has peace because she trusts in God's mercy. @@artax7664 Jeff believes that you are sanctified on this earth. Not sure why that's necessary if you are already elect and saved without any free will in his part. Sounds like that sanctification is part of a cleansing, a justice that must be served on our parts.
The thief on the cross repented in front of the High Priest, Jesus himself in the flesh, confessing his sins to him with true contrition, while suffering a physical punishment for his crimes (which adds an element of Justice and penance). According to Catholic teaching, this suffices for him being accepted in Heaven right away. As for wether or not he was baptized in water prior to his death, the Bible doesn't say. The Protestants -- therefore -- cannot claim he was not.
The question "what's purgatory about" is easy to answer. This Catholic, God bless him, didn't really connect the dots for the Protestant, probably because he had a debate visited on him but was there for a demonstration. The pastor went for a nondebater. He wouldn't last going toe to toe with a Catholic apologist or other fellow debater prepared to meet his questions. He would convert or embrace cognitive dissonance. You know, poorly catechized Protestants are everywhere and make easy lowhanging fruit, too. Not sure Id youtube going after one, though. Try again with Trent Horn, Jimmy Akins, Brian Mercier or one of the many well catechized Catholics who are helping convert Protestants by the millions in this time of grace before the coming chastisement. Youll have a very different video. See you at mass.
There’s no where in the Bible to justify this claim of purgatory, Jesus paid the entire fine which is why its grace and mercy. You can’t take your own punishment of any kind and then call that “grace”. God has the most just kind of judgment which means that the debt of sin needs to be paid in full, it’s not like a payment plan where a little gets paid bit by bit or half and half, it’s either fully on Jesus who took that judgment on Himself, or us if we reject Him.
💙💜💙 Catholicism is not Christianity. These popes prove that. None of these things have anything to do with Christ. They are the antichrist and the RCC is a one-way road to an everlasting hell. Please repent and open your eyes. *Matthew 16:18* is misinterpreted by Catholics. *Matthew 16:19* is misinterpreted by Catholics. Trying to explain to Catholics that they are deceived is not an easy tasks. Adhering to the doctrines of Satan is departing from the faith. *1 Tim 4:1-5.* There are no omnipresent humans or saints who can hear or intercede prayers. **LIST OF PAPAL DECRESS** - **Unam Sanctam (1302)** - Issued by Pope Boniface VIII, asserting papal supremacy over secular rulers, leading to tensions with monarchs and contributing to the Avignon Papacy. Its claims were such that obedience to the pope is necessary for salvation. - **Dum Diversas (1452)** Papal bull issued by Pope Nicholas V, authorizing King Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any Saracens (Muslims) and pagans to perpetual slavery, contributing to the justification of the transatlantic slave trade. - **Inter Caetera (1493)** Papal bull issued by Pope Alexander VI, dividing newly discovered lands outside Europe between Spain and Portugal, contributing to centuries of colonial exploitation and indigenous oppression. - **Cum Nimis Absurdum (1555)** Established the Roman Ghetto and imposed various restrictions and discriminatory measures against Jewish residents of Rome. - **Innocent III’s Fourth Council of the Lateran (1215)** - Enforced the doctrine of Transubstantiation. - **Ineffabilis Deus (1854)** - Proclaimed the Immaculate Conception of Mary. - **Ad Extirpanda (1252)** - Authorized the use of torture during the Inquisition. - **Regnans in Excelsis (1570)** - Excommunicated Queen Elizabeth I of England and encouraged rebellion against her. - **Quia Emptores (1290)** - Allowed Jews to be expelled from England, contributing to religious persecution. - **Fiducia Supplicans (2023)** - A declaration re: pastoral meaning of blessings, which included statements about the possibility of offering pastoral blessings to couples in irregular situations, including same-sex couples. (This isn’t a decree).
@@HR_Racc bull5hit there's no place in the bible. Purgatory is nothing more than the Latin translation for the Hebrew word Sheol, the place they were translating, which is all over the old Testament, and probably in whatever cut up ragged tatters of the actual Bible that Luther and his dogs left for you to read over. Help me remember, Luther et al adulterated so much... did he cut out the book of Kings too? Or did he leave you that? We can quibble over the details but that's exhibit A of why you're wrong. You were lied to by the agents of Satan posing as your elders. Cope better, Prots.
Sam Shamoun is not Jesus. He is a mortal like any man. The fact that he validates Catholicism doesn't mean Catholicism is true. Put your faith on Jesus, not Sam Shamoun.
Sorry, this Pastor does not understand Catholic Theology. What he is "debunking" isn't Catholicism. Setup a debate with a Catholic Apologist. Let's see how that goes.
He debunk many things about catholicism just that you dont want to get anything. Catholicism have a lot of fault teaching and traditions not biblical. I am an ex catholic so i know what is it, reading the bible with the help of holyspirit save me.
Protestants conflate justification with sanctification. Justification is through faith, but we work out or faith through fear and trembling. That is the process of sanctification. I confess my sins when i falter, because jesus commanded us to do so and continue to imitate christ more and more. Faith is an ongoing process, not simply a factual statement. Calvanist's resemble the gnostics to me.
@eucharistangel4662 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and DO HIS WILL (Christ says this). In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end" and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE GRACE OF CHRIST. In hope, the Church prays for "all men to be saved." She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven... what about this statement is not biblical lol? It's literally saying do the will of the father and through the grace that Christ gave to us on the cross we enter into heaven if we persevere to the end.
@eucharistangel4662 You misrepresent the Gospel. You are cherry picking the catechism and not reading contextually, basic problem of self interpretation.
love that Protestants read the bible then re-educates the Catholics and eastern Orthodox about everything. They forget the oral tradition that is handed down from generation to generation.
@Stinkyjo55 you can't refute oral knowledge that wasn't written and handed down from the apostles. No one can remember everything when you came to writing the gospels or letters. An eye witness doesn't necessarily need a photo or a written statement to be true.
There is no oral tradition. See Joshua 8:32-35. Joshua read a written word called the Torah. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for saying the traditions of men were the precepts of God.
If the Gospel had to be supported by oral tradition there would not be any difference to religions. Other religions and cultures have their oral traditions. The Bible is God's eternal Word. I believe only what the Holy Spirit says, not what another human like me thinks.
How does this pastor know that he's interpreting the scripture correctly when the early church fathers, 1,500 years of pre-reformation Tradition, and a Bible that is missing 7 books because one man chose to remove them for reasons that he didn't apply to numerous others e.g. Hebrews? Did he reach his conclusions by reading the Bible independently or did he learn them from other men?
He learned from the Bible and other men, there's nothing wrong with tradition but that that is against the bible. He states near the end how the early fathers have contentions with The Roman Catholic church's teachings later.
The early church fathers were not unanimous on many teachings, especially when considering the claims of the RCC. Christ Himself tested "traditions" held for centuries against the Word of God and found it baseless and in fact contradictory. You assert that 7 books were taken out by Luther but fail to recognize that perhaps it was the RCC that ADDED those apocryphal books that even the Jews never accepted as canonical. So many fallacies, so little space and time...
@@UhOhSpeghettio There is a problem with that, but tradition its self is not bad. the way your local church looks is a result of tradition. We look to elders and those who came before us for help understanding the scripture. Baptist, Lutherans, Presbyterians, so on so forth, have a rich history worth looking into. The issue is with putting tradition on the same level as scripture.
Why do Catholics never mention Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Right there we are told faith goes in line with works! It is extremely important that we believe in our hearts otherwise our works are dead, but when they are in line with each other, he says it there, by your heart your salvational works are justified. Professing your faith by mouth is a work :)
And why do calvinists never mention matthew 7 ? “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Or James 2 ? "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [f]your works, and I will show you my faith by [g]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [h]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [i]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [j]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." I'm an ex protestant who studied his Bible more deeper and found that the most fair and balanced interpretation of the scriptures can be found in the roman catholic church. God bless my protestants brothers !
Not true....most Catholics, not all. I am born again and I am Christian but a Catholic, I just don't believe most of the extras. We are all saved by grace thru faith, no sacraments or works required.
works are a product of faith, that's why James said "faith without works is dead". but you will not be saved without faith, because you cannot work your way into heaven.
Catholics don't do good works to get saved. We are saved by grace through faith apart from works of the law (Romans 3:28). However, once we are justified and established in the grace of Christ, our works have meritorious value. This must be the case because those works are done in and through Christ - "it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me." In Catholic theology, works done after one is justified by faith and established in the grace of Christ are said to increase our justification - that is, we are just and become all the more just. This is what James means when he says, "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" - James 2:24. As an analogy, good works don't turn on the light switch of justification. However, once the light is on, the light gets even brighter as we continue living the Christian life - and persevering in good works.
I would say that our justification does not increase, for once we are justified by grace, we are justified. James was talking about how our justification is known to the world. I like your analogy of the light switch and the light though. We are called to be a light unto the world, and our works are indeed how we shine that light into the darkness. If there are no figs coming from the fig tree, then you know it is dead and no longer a fig tree. Thus, faith without works is dead. What you referred to as an increase in justification, I would call that sanctification. The justification part is done. "It is finished." - John 19:30
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
@@KFish-bw1om Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I think saying that you would call that sanctification is largely correct. This is because Catholic theology includes sanctification in justification. The Council of Trent said, " Justification itself, which is not remission of sins merely, but also the sanctification and renewal of the inward man" I would offer an objection on James 2. I don't believe James is talking about merely showing our justification (making it known to the world). If so, James would use a word more like vindication. Instead, he uses the word justification - the same Greek word Paul uses to describe our justification before God. Moreover, the context is salvific - "Can his faith save him?".
What the pastor has done is define Roman Catholic words - and you don’t like the definitions. Question for you. Have you read the entire Bible through - all 66 books?
My personal impression is that he pastor is trying to recruit(from Catholics) converts by keep on pointing the Catholics are wrong in their doctrine. The Catholic is bringing people to Christ and showing the way. Intitially I thought the pastor is right and made more sense. How many protestant/Christian groups are there now, I followed the teaching of Pastor and found something is not correct in his interpretations what then? I establish my own sect/congregation!?
Yes. That's what the protestant does. Disagree with your current protestors? Simply walk away and start your own misguided sect. And on and on it goes.
Exactly. Anyone can become a “pastor” on the internet and start their own brand. Amazing how much time they spend studying the Catholic Church. Hard to believe how they find time to setup the rock concert stage at their churches.
The catholic church was founded by Jesus, the protestant churches by mortal sinners. Where would you rather be? The church founded by Jesus or by a mortal sinner? Jesus promised he'll be with us till the end of times when he gave the kingdom keys to Peter and that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church. I believe Jesus, not some "pastor" who self appointed himself as his own pope and bashes the church Jesus founded.
Sola Scriptura is the biggest Protestant fallacy of all time, the canon of scripture was built by Catholics through word of mouth. Protestantism lacks tradition and that’s why it doesn’t hold up, the church predates the Bible’s canonization. Only through sacred tradition do we know what scripture is. I challenge this man to debate Trent Horn or even Scott Hahn on these issues.
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Throne of Peter, the chief church, the Romans.” (Epistle 54:14) “One Church, one chair… another altar cannot be set up, nor a new priesthood… whoever gathers elsewhere scatters.” (Letters 43[40]:5) “He that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” (Mathew 12:30) “Serpent (Satan) invented heresies and schisms he might corrupt the truth.” (De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate 1, 3-4) (e.g., orthodox, protestants etc.,)
Iv been to so many Protestant churches all I found is a pop concert and a motivational speech been going to a Catholic Church I feel god I hear the words of god it’s so much deeper if Protestants want ppl to come quit with the gimmicky pop concerts and bring back actual worship
You probably didn’t go to Protestant Churches then. And it’s clear you don’t understand it. There are many new independent churches like that and very few are still orthodox. Sounds like you went to prosperity gospel church eggy are not Protestant at all. I have been to churches that do sing in worship for 30 minutes or so but have expository preaching of the word of God and still celebrating the Eucharist. And then there are more historical Protestant churches that are more traditional with a higher view of tradition. We are all still brothers and love each other regardless of our secondary differences. But what you just said does not sound Protestant at all. Also, I’m not Roman catholic but I admire some of the Catholics views since they still teach orthodox Christianity. But have added too many medieval believes not supported historically or biblically
Jeff was speaking to an obviously wonderful family. If all American (and Canadian, since that is where I'm from) families were like this one, our nations would be in a much better situation.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter” (Matthew 7:21)
I especially love these inter-Christian debates because there are always so many new perspectives to consider. With a typical atheist/liberal, you can pretty much anticipate where the disagreement comes from. I wish you would do more debates between Christians of different denominations.
Jesus help me. I’m trying to balance everything on my own, but Lord I feel like I’m failing miserably as a single mother. Both sons are special needs I’m so overwhelmed trying to support them on my own. I’m struggling to make ends meet, to pay bills, and to put food on the table for my children. Jesus guide me and give me strength. I have faith you will carry me through this difficult time.❤️
Sister in Christ! What I see as I’m reading through your comment is I, I ,I and there is where the challenges stem. The only I that should come out of our mouth is I SURRENDER lord here are my challenges and name them and I trust that you are the almighty God whom will never leave me nor forsake me! Bring up his promises as you pray. It is valid to remind him because that shows him your faith and you will see God working. Remember without faith it’s impossible to please God. He is listening but he is waiting for you to surrender. Invite the Holy Spirit to every prayer, worship and to reading of the word. I pray this blesses you in Jesus name 🙏🏼
Lay your troubles at the feet of Jesus and leave them there, He'll take care of them. If you keep trying to hold on to them and do it yourself, Jesus will keep letting you and nothing will change. I'll be praying for you, sister.
@@LCD04 You may be correct OR she could be reaching out for as much prayer and advice as possible. Either way, it's our job as believers to pray for her.
Ok, this Pastor is misinterpreting Ephesians. Let’s look at the verse. Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God- 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. 1. The beginning of verse 9 says it’s not because of works. The issue that Protestants have, is that Paul isn’t talking about good works here. Paul mentions good works in verse 10. In verse 9, the works that Paul is speaking about are the Jewish works of the law. So no, we can do nothing to please God without grace.
Yep, works of the *MOSAIC* law. It's so simple... it's embarrassing to see them get stuck on something so simple. God truly blinds those who turn their backs on His Church.
@@MystoRobot As it was stated by the saints (most likely St. Thomas Aquinas: pray for us!): the stain of sin darkens the intellect. The greater the sin, the harsher the stain on the intellect.
@@jimmyMc1971 Where in those verses does it say Paul is talking about works of the law? Can you also explain how the works of law differ from good works? Give examples.
Pay attention to the preposition: “Work out your salvation” - not “work for your salvation” - not “work into your salvation” - not “work on your salvation” - not “work to make your salvation secure” A believer already has “your salvation,” so it should be out-worked and made effective through his life in cooperation with (next verse) God’s work in his life.
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@ Ok, that ungrateful attitude is fine if you want to draw a loving Father’s chastisement, which can go as far as sickness and premature death. And when you get to heaven and look back, you’ll weep for all the rewards you lost and all the loved ones who went to hell because you did nothing with what you had. On the other hand, you might prove that “it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure” does not apply to you because you were a false convert.
Once saved always saved is a very dangerous false doctrine. Hebrews 10:26-27 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."
I believe that is talking about people who have heard of Jesus but choose to reject him and keep sining. All sin is deliberate, it’s just we repent of it instead of trying to justify it or ignore it.
@@TheGentileGabe You can sin unknowingly especially if you don’t know the law or have been taught it’s done away with. You don’t even know what right from wrong good or evil or the difference between sin and righteousness
Are you telling me that Jesus, the God-Man was beaten to death, humiliated, and died naked on a cross for a salvation that we can lose??? He died to give us eternal salvation. Not temporary salvation.
If eating Christ's flesh and drinking His blood meant just believing that He was the Messiah, I don't think that would be a hard teaching for the disciples to accept. It would, however, be a very difficult teaching for them to accept that they needed to actually drink His blood since that is forbidden in mosaic law.
What else I find hard to believe is how the early Church got this whole Eucharist idea and they didn't seem to view it the way Jeff Durbin does. There isn't much historical evidence for this particular interpretation of the gospel.
@dman7668 the Last Supper/Eucharist as given by Jesus was Him sharing bread and wine to do In Remembrance, not to rip His flesh out and stab Himself to pour out Hia blood. Much in scripture is Symbolic.
@@joinjen3854would you agree that 90% of the time Christ speaks in parable.. but when he says: “verily verily I say to you” that he is speaking literally?
@@joinjen3854 my specific question is when Christ begins a conversation by saying: “verily verily” .. that he is not speaking in a parable in that moment?
Like what ??? that he is nothing but a circle talker ??? he interrupts the guy just to put him down over and over again … first the Bible was given by the Catholic Church read the early church fathers and your Protestant garbage will crumble… trying to bring the true church to Protestants is like throwing perls in front of pigs … they are just as narrow minded as the Pharisees that demanded the crucifixion of Jesus
Catholics did pretty well. However, it's important that he debates with catholic apologists not just random simple Catholics. Then you will see that your arguments wont stand 😊
This pastor shows us why we need the church, tradition and magisterium to understand the bible. The word of God communicated by scripture needs the analogical language of the body to complete the message.
Wow, that could truly be a life changing conversation. Bless you brother for doing this important work- so many don't realize what an important mission field is held in roman catholicism.
There is no Roman Catholicism. It's just Catholicism. That was just an insult started by Anglicans and we Catholics need to correct it like the N word.
Catholicism is the truth my friend, may you wake up from your sola scriptura heresy. A revelation Luther had while takin a dump, claiming to be a revelation of the holy spirit lol
@@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077 Sola Scriptura never historically meant Solo Scripture. So Calvin, Luther, and the Church of England all kept church tradition. It's rather that Scripture is the sole infallible Word of God. The Reformation was never about starting a new church, but about going back to what was lost. Sure, modern evangelicals take it too far, but they don't represent the Reformers now do they?
Also I believe that when there is pride, people are not taking it in. Just seeking the next argument to win. Ever word that Pastor Jess has said from scripture, there was not a moment pause to think. It was just when one was answered, we are going to bring up another rebuttle. Not sure their hearts are truly seeking Truth.
Appreciate the cordial nature of Jeff Durbin. These conversations really show how important Sola Scriptura really is. Jeff responded so quickly with scripture.
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
A simple way of putting it is: • All salvation comes from Christ • Christ has linked salvation to Baptism • Baptism is the entryway into the Church • Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.” His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon Here's a quote right out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Study the Early Church Father's too..Google ( www.churchfathers.org ) and read for yourself. I'll leave you more quotes below as well.. But read for yourself regarding this fact: I rely on our Blessed Lord's One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church guided by the Holy Spirit to provide me with All Truth (Not my "own opinion"). “Outside the Church there is no Salvation.” ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: ⬇️ “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️ (CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II). The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues: ➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16). “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II). "Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?" Read here:⤵️ www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church Early Church Father's: Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes) Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church) St. Augustine: "In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate." St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107: "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology) Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae) Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi) The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly.
@catholictruth102 so who is it that you say is a prophet that came after John the Baptist and Jesus? As far as I know no one except false prophets like Muhammad and John Smith both of which burn in hell as we speak.
@catholictruth102 Paul was an evangelist, teacher, preacher, theologian, traveler, tentmaker, church- man, as well as missionary-all indicative of the extraordinary qualities of that strange man from Tarsus. But nowhere in the New Testament Scriptures is he called a prophet, though there are numerous references to prophets.
@@FrankRios2b He just throws out false accusations that further entrench his followers and avoids in-depth dialogue because Catholicism draws on the Living Blood of Jesus Christ. Our faith is so deep and is reflected in every line of Scripture .
Two other names to suggest: Dr Scott Hahn, who came out of Presbyterianism and Dr John Bersgma of St Paul Center. Both are professors at Steubanville University in Ohio
I'm not Catholic, but the lady is asking GREAT questions...l belive that all are called. And that salvation is for whom ever will!! And that is why we are called to preach the gospel that will lead to salvation to whom ever will accept the free gift of salvation and repent of their sins!! To those God gave the right to be called the children of the most high God!
1 Corinthians 4:15 “ Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.”
There is only ONE verse in the Bible that says that, also says not to call anyone Master or teacher depending on the Bible you are reading, yet, there are multiple verses that show we can call men Father as Material Fathers or Spiritual Fathers. Luke 18,20 - Honor you Father and Mother (Material way) And Luke 16,24 - Father Abraham have mercy on me. (Spitirtual way) There are plenty more where the bible shows we can have Spiritual Fathers Acts 7,1-2 and many more. You don't take the whole Bible literatly, you need to know who is the writer talking to, where, about what and other aspects as well. In that particular verse about not calling Father to other men, it's because he is talking to his disciples and telling them in other words to not call themselves Father, meaning they should not think they are better than anyone else nor they are less than anyone else. A man should not call himself Master, Father, Pastor etc. That's why Catholics have apostolic succession. So Jesus is not prohibiting the use of the word Father because if you read the context we should not call ANYONE Father or Teacher even our parents or shool teachers. Because the Bible clearly says To not call ANYONE that. Check out this show "The Journey Home" Channel at EWTN or look for SCOTT HAHN. May the Lord guide you in your journey. 🙏
These silly interpretations of scripture are the reason for thousands of Protestant denominations all filled with little popes making Jesus their butler and source of entertainment.
Protestantism has 1000s of sects…Not until Martin Luther people started to become saved??? This is a load of BS. People really think it took 1500 years to become saved? Katholiki Eklisia is and was the one true universal church since Peter was appointed by Christ.
Jesus founded only one church mateo 16;18,19. So you l Left the church of Jesús for one formed by men??? Can you show me with the Bible who formed your "church ".
Shalom! my thinking on purgatory is like entering an uncontaminated laboratory, just because you have a phd in bio chemistry or molecular science doesn't gain you instant access, but gives you a guarantee of access but you still need to be decontaminated to enter the lab. heaven is an uncontaminated lab for the good and we need to be purified before entering even if you are a pastor or a priest.
Salvation thru FAITH ALONE. Where is this in the Bible? Here it is: James 2:24 ESV, "You see that a person is JUSTIFIED by WORKS and NOT by FAITH ALONE."
Brother, you are saved by the grace of our father and your faith ONLY! This is it, many Christian are not BORN again and don’t even fully understand what does it mean ! Unfortunately, they called LORD, LORD BUT they never make our Lord Jesus their LORD ! You see they believe that by the work and being a good person they deserve salvation! This is a big mistake and many truly believe that there are going to heaven! But obviously they’re mistaken. Only BY the Grace of put Father and our Faith in Jesus Christ your name will be seal in the book of life before you entry to the kingdom of heaven or you will be rejected. What I am trying today say, if you not become as the child, you not going to entry to the Kingdom of Heaven ! What does it mean ? The up have to humble yourself as the small child, surrounded yourself fully to Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour! Make him Lord of Your LIFE !! Warship him truly and SERVE him !!! You have to deny yourself!! Love your God with everything what you got ! And love your neighbour like yourself! If you do have a hates to one of ypur brother and you don’t want to forgive something then n your past to someone who did something bad to you THAN to you will not forgive our GOD and do not expect that you will find the presence of the GOD in your life ! You have to first must forgive TRULLY !! If you LOVE your father, mother, kids more then Jesus Christ our saviour THEN our Father NEVER give you the access to his SON Jesus !! REMEMBER what did I say !! I was rising up in Catholic Church but I don’t belong over there anyway and I was BORN again by the grace of our Father and I received the HOLY Spirit in one of the Baptised Church !! Remember, in Catholic Church they come up with idea that Salvation is in sacraments and they cheat people with idolatry!! The Jesus is the Living GOD !! The is nothing to do the communion with every single Sunday Milion of Catholic people are taken and believe that this is Bread and Blood of Jesus - this is so wrong ! Jesus was teaching as that HE is The Bread of The Life ! Everyone who comes to him never gets hungry and those who believe in him never will get thirsty!
And Jesus said read this in memory of me. Opps He said do this in remembrance of me. Is early church fathers. Long before the scriptures were even written.❤❤
God Bless you, I pray everyone reading this can be encouraged to read as much of the Church Fathers as they can, even start with a 15minute read of The Didache, a document from 50-75AD and have a look at what Early Christian's were instructed on upon joining the Faith. Warning: Non-Catholics will be shocked.
@@thearborbarber So you don't jump for joy or proclaim here as blessed. then you're a hypocrite based on your last comment of "Is it in the bible? was it commanded by Christ? All that you need to know is in scripture. Period" You prove you don't follow the bible and dont believe everything you need to know is in scripture. You're acting outside of scripture and denying it's Sacred Truth... Why don't you believe the Bible is truly the Word of God?
@ApologiaStudios. You should have a conversation with the UA-camr Voice of Reason. He can answer just about any questions you may have about the Church's teachings.
A well informed Catholic will smoke a well informed Protestant every time. These are lay Catholics (not professional ministers) holding their own against this full-time professional Protestant pastor.
Catholics think they are the first Christians. Catholics added to the Bible, and to the words of Jesus. The catholics did to Jesus' Christianity, what the Pharisees did to Judaism. I still love them, and many do great things, but I couldn't be one. And to be truthful, their are many many protestants that will shred a Catholic. But to me it's not a war. I am neither Catholic, nor Protestant, but a follower of Jesus
You are so right. After the first 4 seconds about purgatory I was wanting to teach this guy so bad. Regardless of wanting to correct his mistakes, I’m glad he is out there converting people to Christianity. Unfortunately I haven’t seen many posts saying anything similar.
@soteriology400 what? The church of Jesus Christ became desolate, after the temple was destroyed. Show me Bible verse that says that. No, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His true Church has spread throughout the world by Apostles and believers since Pentecost. The true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ causes Satan and His demons to tremble, because they know that their Lord Jesus Christ said, the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. The true Church of Jesus Christ trusts God's Eternal Living Word 💯 and proclaims the true gospel of Christ and His Lordship over His Church (which is us the true born of the Holy Spirit children of God) who endure to the end not by our might nor by our power but by My Spirit says the LORD. Zechariah 4:6.
Jesus did not start the Catholic Church. The Church is the gathering of 2 or more who gather in his name. Catholic Church is a different version of a Pharasie
Catholicism believes in the holiness of God but denies His power. Im a living testimony, i read the catholic bible went to church for decades n i couldnt stop drinking I sonehow got an NIV bible, read it for a year, got a powerful encounter with God, got delivered from alcohol Joined a church that believed only in Jesus as the only mediator between God & man
@@BlueDevilBrew Stick with the Church Fathers some of whom were disciples of the Apostles and many who became martyrs for Christ, NOT Luther & Calvin who arrived on the scene 1500 years later.
@Tayman47 purgatory is the purging of all sin when you go to heaven, if you're in purgatory you're then in heaven. No unclean thing shall enter heaven.
I don't know who these gentlmen are you mention here and while I think Jeff did a bad job in many points in this debate. I think you would be surprised how he would do. I used to debate with Phd priests at Notre Dame because my seminary had a relationship with them and it was all in good fun but eye opening for both sides. We knew catholic theology very well, and to add to it I was a former Catholic. We left the professors stumped several times. You see many of them push more philosophy and tradition of the church fathers and church history, rather than deep biblical studies and only require one of either greek or hebrew. We had to do both Greek and Hebrew and while we studied church history, and philosophy, it wasn't our focus. Now I don't know what training Jeff has but he strikes me as guy who would be very prepared and do well enough to surprise you.
@@Revelation14verse7 Weak catholic becomes Protestant and strong Protestant becomes catholic .If no fullness of the faith in the Catholic Church then where in thousands of Protestant denominations?.
@@ed6601 Well, I would simply tell you put your faith in God, the redemption of Christ, through the sanctification of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Look to God, not a building... Church simply means in greek the ecclesia or the assembly of called ones. God's elect are those He has called, but many don't answer. Keep growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, His Spirit will lead you.
@@Revelation14verse7Which spirit leads in to thousands of the denominations?.You are right about ecclesial,but Jesus said be one as I and the Father are one and we are not one church.Sad,because of arrogance and prejudice is dividing us.
That's because Jeff Durban would get smoked. You can gaslight the uninformed but not the well studied. Protestantism is basically making the Bible say whatever they want it to say. I was Protestant for 23 years. Now I regret every day that I was ever there. Honestly, I can't stand Protestantism so much that I would rather be a Buddhist or Hindu than a Protestant. What a fake bunch of trash.
As a protestant, I am so tired hearing us always criticize Catholics, there are bigger issues in this world than these debates, Catholics love Christ just as we do, Jesus Forbids Sectarianism Mark 9:38-39 38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.” 39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterwards speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against [a]us is on [b]our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. We forget that in the book of John Jesus talks profoundly on the unity of the church. John 17:22-23; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 4:1-6, 13. Do we honestly all think that on judgment day Jesus will say What denomination where you, or what practice or tradition you followed, Come on brothers and sisters this is absurd. There are wolfs in sheep clothing, in all denominations churches and in the vatican. Just as well as people who love Christ in the protestant church and the roman catholic church. Please for the love of Christ who is all Holy, lets stop this way of thinking. Blessings all
Still have met a Protestant than can explain to me why Martín Luther died a catholic. Why did they eliminate books from the Bible. At the end of the day, the reformation was political not theological.
As a Protestant, why do I care if Luther considered himself Catholic when he died? If you read the theses, he obviously had some major theological/Bible issues with the teachings of the Catholic Church. You heard a smattering of those from Jeff in this video. Future reformers built on those theological issues using the Bible as their standard of truth.
Thank you for sharing this video and confirming & solidifying my decision to convert to Catholicism after a life of being Protestant. All these type of videos do is either make converts more confident in their decision to convert to the one true Church OR cause confusion and division amongst Gods people. As a pastor, where is the honor in this? Why are you spending your time, energy and focus on this? How is this making you holier and closer to God? Ask any Protestant who converted to Catholicism later in life, and they would agree that your words only make their new beliefs stronger. So, the purpose of this video has accomplished 2 things. 1.) you’ve made converts & devout Catholics become stronger in their faith (which if I were to guess, is the opposite of your purpose & intention, so jokes on you 😬) or 2.) you have caused further rifts & division amongst believers, which is the opposite of what the Lord wants for you and for His Kingdom and has aligned you more with that of the enemy’s purpose. Either way, it’s not good bro. It’s not how a man of God should be using the time God has given him here on earth, it’s tearing apart the Kingdom instead of building it and UNITING it. I believe your heart is in the right place but what are your true intentions? Are you doing this bc you believe it’s a mission from God to somehow ‘save’ Catholics from their so called wrong beliefs bc you genuinely care about their souls? Or have you made this a personal mission to prove your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong? I’ve been there. I’ve worn these blinders of pride before and it got me nowhere except on my knees and incredibly humbled before Almighty God. He removed the scales from my eyes and stripped me of the lies and Protestant pride. There’s so much more that you do not yet know. The things you think you know about the Catholic faith are being seen through a lens. Maybe someday, you will receive a new lens so that you may see the whole Truth. For me, it was through great suffering that allowed me to see through that new lens but I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anyone in order to see it, but sometimes it’s what it takes. Jesus came to rescue us from Hell and eternal damnation, but we still must walk through the fire & be refined, not as a punishment (bc Jesus took that punishment) but as a way for us to truly become Christ like and receive a crown of glory. Christs death on the cross wasn’t our free ticket to heaven, it was an invitation to follow Him to the cross, our own cross, using HIS strength to get us there and trusting He will use our pain for an eternal purpose, for our OWN good. Purgatory is not a punishment, it is a gift. Nobody in purgatory is going to hell. It is a road to heaven. It is a continuation of the sanctification we should be living out on earth. God is outside of space & time, that is why we display the crucifix. When you say you follow Jesus? Are you following Him in the here and now? Post resurrection? Or are you following Him throughout scripture? Are you following Him to the cross? are you letting Him come alongside you and take you to your own crosses of your life and once you get there, and you face yourself, your true sinful self and you realize what you deserve bc of that sin, and its causes you fear & trembling and you feel like it’s the end, the end of yourself and there’s nothing but death in front of you but than you look up, and you see Christ up on that cross , in your place? And than you realize that’s it’s suffering that leads to salvation. That’s what it truly means to follow Christ. Jesus suffered, died, went to hell and went to be with the Father, yet never needed refinement. And because of what He did for us, we do not have to face death or experience Hell, and we get to be with the Father in heaven but we must first be refined and that must be done through suffering. Not necessarily as worldly suffering, but the kind of internal suffering when you look at your own sin and the consequences of that sin, so that you can work out your own salvation through fear and trembling, for it is God who is at work within you, so you may be without blame, without reproof. This kind of suffering should be the kind we welcome, We should want to imitate Christ in this way, bc it’s the only way to journey to truly holiness. Jesus didn’t die to send us to heaven only if we believed in Him, even the demons believe in Him. He died to forgive us of our sins, to free us from the grip of the enemy, so that we would be ABLE to make this journey of suffering and sanctification with Him that leads to our salvation. He died to make a WAY for us to go to heaven, despite our sin. Would you feel right or WANT to one day stand before the almighty God of the Universe without first taking this painfully beautiful, grace filled, courageous, & glorious journey? Would you feel right taking your seat at the table with your Father before becoming ALL that He has created you to be?
Brother you wrote so much, you allowed your emotions to get the best of you. It was hard to follow some things because you went too many places at once. Consider expressing yourself in a better fashion, so more people could follow. When it comes to your comment against him, do you the know the guy and his works? How do you know that this is all he does? No Christian is called to preach or debate in the streets alone. I was converted 10 years ago, after my faith in Christ increased after the passing of my father. He showed me His love through suffering, and ever since then we have walked together. My faith has grown and I've learned much of the secondary theology , apart from the practical work. My protestant brother is emphasizing some subjects, that doesn't determine all he is in the eyes of God. We can sit here and ignore Paul's plead to avoid pointless debates and argument. The reality is that there is a very real separation in the theology of the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant Church. I just love it when the Catholics claim their church is the real church of God. I have never heard a Protestant state that we have the real church, because the real church of Christ is formed by all who are His true disciples. Both sides have ween wrong in history and in modern times. However is foolish how much you jumped from one system of theology to the next one. Where was you foundation? Did you pretend that you were a protestant all this time, and suddenly jumped to the Roman faith? I've heard PLENTY of testimonies of Catholics converting to the Protestant faith. Mind you most of these people understand the difference in theology, they didn't shift because someone's word scratched them wrong way.
@@Dale-xm7bs on who’s authority/interpretation is he speaking truth? Is own interpretation? His pastor growing up? The head of his denomination? How do we know our interpretation of The Word is truth and not based on our own perception, upbringing, experiences or other peoples interpretation, that may or may not have had proper discernment to know whether or not it is the true interpretation? Also, not sure what century you are living in, but the Church does not accept funds for any kind of indulgences or people in purgatory…. they do however accept prayers or have Masses read for those in purgatory and we can offer up our own sufferings for them and for all sinners of the world. To believe that ‘accepting Jesus’ is enough to purify your soul and make you become like God but not being willing to walk through the refining fires of sanctification and being humbled enough to recognize we need so much more wisdom & understanding about the mysteries of God, than your soul is in grave danger. simply believing in Jesus will not make you holy & perfect enough to stand beside Him in heaven one day. You have to be willing to take the next step and work on becoming more holy by allowing Him to do that through and in you. Being so prideful to think you know it all and you are already saved but being unwilling to take a deeper look into your salvation is a dead end road. Even with thousands of years of testimonies, teachings and apparitions God has created through the Church, I still realize I have so much more to learn and discover about my own salvation and that’s what keeps us from growing comfortable in our sin and allows us to grow closer to God and further from this World.
@@robertosantibanez I converted bc God led me to the Truth. Plain and simple. The disdain I used to have for Catholicism was more than you know. It was my pride that kept me from digging deeper into what I did not know. It was being humbled by God that led me to the Church. are there true disciples within Protestants and Catholics and ones who are not true followers on both sides? Absolutely. But that doesn’t change the fact that God intended to have one universal church and He remains faithful to that Church to this day, even with all its historical flaws. God is not bound by the Church, but we are called to be bound to it, bc we are supposed to be bound together in one church, not dividing and separating ourselves from one another every time there is conflict.
Quotes scripture and then says,, "As a Roman Catholic you don't believe that." It is not a very good idea to assert what the other person believes. This is straw manning your opponent. First find out what they actually believe instead of just going off what you may have heard from anti-catholics.
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Typically Protestants will assert Ephesians 2:8-9 which says:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Since “works” have nothing to do with our justification they then argue that man is justified by “faith alone”. Obviously the biggest issue with this take is that when Paul says “works” he had a very specific kind of works in mind which would be “natural human works”. Paul wasn’t saying that “supernatural good works” cannot result in justification. In fact he’s admitting that those kind of works can and do result in justification in Romans 2:13 where he says:
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
And then there is of course Romans 2:6-7 which says:
“who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;”
When it comes to this particular passage what a Protestant will argue is that this was some kind of hypothetical[i.e; you could be justified by the law if you could keep it but obviously nobody can or does]. The problem with that particular argument is that John’s Revelation doubles down on what Paul is saying:
[Revelation 22:12]
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.”
Was Our Lord likewise speaking hypothetically? Certainly not. Especially when Paul clarifies that the “reward” is the inheritance of eternal life in his letter to the Colossians:
“since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”(Colossians 3:24)
The “reward” being talked about in Rev.22:12 is the “inheritance” from Col.3:24 which is alternatively referred to as “eternal life” in Romans 2:6-7.
SO WHY ALL THE CONFUSION?
Primarily the confusion is because Protestants don’t have a developed theology about merit. They do not understand that God’s rewards can be gifts and God’s gifts can be rewards. So if God rewards my good works with the “gift” of eternal life then I “cannot boast” and say that God gave me what he owed me because He didn’t. It wasn’t a strict obligation. It was just Him being nice. Or as Paul says:
““Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”(Romans 11:35)
Another passage that Protestants will appeal to is Romans 3:20 which says:
“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”
However St.Augustine had a very well-reasoned commentary on this particular passage. He writes:
“When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but ⭐️AFTER⭐️ justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit.”-St.Augustine, Faith and Works
Luther himself hated this commentary of course, saying:
““It was Augustine's view that the law...if the Holy Spirit assists, the works of the law do justify…I reply by saying "No".” (Luther's Works 54, 49)
Obviously Luther was at a loss as to give a satisfactory rebuttal to St.Augustine’s analysis. He very quietly conceded that there was another form of justification that was not a matter of “faith alone” but through works also. He writes:
“There are two kinds of righteousness that is the righteousness of another, instilled from without. This is the righteousness of Christ by which he justifies through faith... The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness. This is the manner of life spent profitably in good works..." -Martin Luther, Two Kinds of Righteousness, 1519.
This is something of a “come to Jesus” moment for Luther, since in calling this “other” justification “proper” and a result of cooperation with works, he has in fact adopted the Catholic position.
@@DUB-Track quote----.. I read NASB,... unquote
Okay
Acts 9:31--which Catholics inisist is saying "universal"
.Acts 9:31
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
WHERE are the words "universal" or "Catholic"??? READ THAT verse again. It mentiones THREE areas near Israel.
Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
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Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
>>>>>Acts 20:7 Catholics insist that is a Sunday communion.
New American Standard Bible
7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [a]message until midnight.
#1--They leave out the facts in verse 11, that they ATE a meal.
#2--Had that been the Sabbath, paul was about to break it by traveling by ship!!!
#3--NO mention of worship or communion!!!
Paul was talking about his travels.
-----1 Corinthians 16:2-- Another verse Catholics use to prove Sunday us a holy day.
On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. ... .
Why does NO ONE ask what the collections is for??? All asumptions is what catholics preach..
First Corinthians 16:1 contains specific instructions to the Corinthians about a collection for poor Christians in Jerusalem. Each person must set aside some money on the first day of each week, meaning Sunday. A FAMINE in Jerusalem!!!!!
-----Catholics claim an idol ,image is NOT against God's commandment.
Exodus 20:3-11
New American Standard Bible
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the [c]punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing [d]favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
------Catholics claim the Sabbath is Sunday.
Ex 20:8-11 New American Standard Bible
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your [f]resident who [g]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
--Catholics claim Mary was assumed into heaven..
That CONTRADICTS GOD!!!!
(btw--to assume--to believe in something with NO facts--NO proof)
John 3:13 New American Standard Bible
No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there. ... And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son ...
--..Catholics claim we go to heaven when we die.
----Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
New American Standard Bible
5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
----Psalm 6:5
New American Standard Bible
5 For there is no mention of You in death;
In Sheol (grave) , who will praise You?
-----Ecclesiastes 12:7
New American Standard Bible
7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the [a]spirit will return to God who gave it.
----Psalm 146:4
New American Standard Bible
4 His spirit departs, he returns to [a]the earth;
On that very day his plans perish.
----Ecclesiastes 9:6
New American Standard Bible
6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
-----Genesis 3:19
New American Standard Bible
19 By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”
------James 2:26
New American Standard Bible
26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
-----Job 14:10-12
New American Standard Bible
10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water [a]evaporates from the sea,
And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist,He will not awake nor be woken from his sleep.
-----John 3:13
New American Standard Bible
13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
-----Hebrews 9:27
New American Standard Bible
27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
-----Revelation 20:4
New American Standard Bible
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12
New American Standard Bible
12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist, e will not awake nor be woken from
his sleep.
-----Revelation 20:15
New American Standard Bible
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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@@DUB-Track I read NASB,
-----Catholics claim (some do) that Mary should be worshiped
Luke 4:8
New American Standard Bible
8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
--------What does the Bible say about true worship of God?
For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “
------Isaiah 42:8
New American Standard Bible
8 I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols.
----Catholics claim Mary remained a virgin.
Mark 6:3
New American Standard Bible
3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
(They are talking about Jesus!!!-Unless they had NO idea of who Jesus was.)
Mark 15:40
New American Standard Bible
40 Now there were also some women watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.
----Jewish Laws--Mitzvot #Mitzvot #124 Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations from your wife.
(Exodus 21:10)
#125. To have children from her.
(Genesis 1:28)
Had mary NOT given Joseph children, she WOULD have been a sinner for NOT obeying the Jewish Law!!!
And:
1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital ...
----The bible NEVER mentions any long standing vow they made!!!
----1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Who claims Mary is without sin???
1 John 1:8-10 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
because : Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
New American Standard Bible
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
>>>>Catholics claim Mary is in heaven.
John 3:13
New American Standard Bible
13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
----Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
----John 5:29
New American Standard Bible
29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
---JoIsaiah 26:19
New American Standard Bible
19 Your dead will live;
[a]Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the [b]dawn,
And the earth will [c]give birth to the [d]departed spirits.hn 5:28-29
New American Standard Bible
28 Do not be amazed at this; for [a]a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
------Hebrews 9:27
New American Standard Bible
27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
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It would be fun to see them simply go head to head with How to Be Christian, not to mention Tent Horn or Jimmy Akin. Maybe a priest like Father Mike Schmitz. Random street ppl are rarely confident enough to challenge anyone.
Catholicism has some problems, so does Calvinism, both men are Christians though, saved by Gods Grace through faith is Christ.
To the Catholic's credit, I was there that day (not Catholic, Reformed Baptist) and we were all there to protest the murder of the unborn at the Arizona State Capitol. I have huge disagreements with the Catholic church, but they'll turn out en masse to save babies and I appreciate that a lot.
You heard from a knowledgeable Catholic about their faith
its always sad how protestants talk about the church christ founded, it hurts my soul you feel the need to discredit us with lies, cause we also belief that we are saved through christ, Catholicism is the truth, and so is purgatory. I pray you humble yourself to accept the Lords wisdom. Its such a sad faith, im ex protestant, how can you say you love Jesus while talking bad about his mother (not you, protestants in general) is beyond me.
As a life long Baptist, we truly believe the word of God. The Catholic faith has added to this gospel and why Luther protested. While upset about what is being said, listen to the reasoning through the lens of Scriptures.
@@markbartlett5049 Who is your authority when it comes to interpreting scripture?
@d.t.7739 Jesus left the HOLY SPIRIT for us to interpret, not pedophile priests and popes. The cathecisms and papal decrees are not Biblical. RESEARCH!!! They kept adding falsehood about Mary in the 1870s!!! Study a Bible for yourself. Scripture interprets Scriptures. One Mediator and One Sacrifice. Every day priests perform a Mass, they literally think Jesus is crucified over and over and over.
Great conversation, good old school apologia right here…. Keep it coming, love you guys!
I would say the pastor was simply talking past the Catholic and there was no actual discussion here. Lets hear this pastor talk with someone like Jimmy Akin a Catholic apologist.
Great idea!
The Pastors teaching is great. The catholic did not want to hear it.
No. The pastor assumes too much about what Catholics believe. He doesn't really know what Catholics believe and just talked past the Catholic.
Is what catholics believe not in the Catholic doctrine? Is that not easily accessible to anyone who wants to know what a catholic believes? @icarlsw34
He is not talking past anyone. He listens then rerfers to the Bible to establish the truth. This is not a game, and just wait until your hero comes and shows him his error. You made no specific statements where what he has said is in error. So, how do you say he is? Back up what your claim is. You can't, obviously, but OH, you will get your brother to do it?????
I am Catholic from Papua New Guinea, God bless these women, and the gentleman.
Bless you brother. We are a big worldwide family, unlike the thousands american sects. God willing I will visit Papua New Guinea one day. Chritus rex! Salve Regina
Read your Bible
Not all Protestants believe in calvinism. Just throwing that out there!
True these are never Catholic versus protestant debates it’s always a protestant versus protestant
Catholicism is a Cult.
@@pedroavella7615how so? Seems like Calvinism vs Catholic?
@@theSparkyWattsI'm a protestant but I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe it completely mischaracterizes God, as the woman points out in the video with the whole reprobate issue. I love Calvinist brothers and sisters but staunchly disagree with their soteriology.
@@VinceOlson96 I'm Catholic and I agree with you. Most of the Protestants I know don't follow Calvinistic teachings.
Just a little over 2 years saved here. All the sins that I used to commit on a daily basis has stopped. All glory to God. So far it seems like when we truly fall in love with God we stop committing the sins and we become alert for every sins that comes in front of us and because of our faithfulness to God, we make better decisions.
Another thing. Works comes from our love for God and not so that we can look good for him. Following Jesus has helped me greatly. Life changer.
I love that you have been saved and have a love for Christ!
As you grow you will become aware of sins that you may not be aware of today.
It’s awesome that you’ve been relieved of gross sins that you mention. Sanctification is a life long process.
I know this because it was after many years of being saved that I truly understood some of my sins that were against a holy God. Sins I had not even thought of earlier in my walk with Jesus.
The longer we are in Christ the more we see our sins as glaring acts against a truly holy God.
The bible says anyone who says they have no sins is a liar
Ummm I’m sure you still sin otherwise there would be no need for a SAVIOR
Amen, when you get truly saved from satan's bondage, spirit resurrected and sonship restored, God's Spirit starts to guide and teach us to become Christ like, now able to live in God's nature, no desire to sin anymore.
(The true meaning of sin is living in satan's nature, the fallen condition we are all born into.)
Are you able to share with us from the Bible how a person gets saved without the Sacraments? I hear a lot of Protestants claim salvation while at the same time denying the Sacraments and I am just wondering where in the Bible do they get that teaching from?
Would you like to have a debate with Trent Horn, Apologia Studio(Jeff Durbin)?
No, he wouldn't.
He only debates the toughest of catholic apologists, y'know, random people on the street on their way to get some groceries
James White does that and is an Elder at Apologia, so technically Apologia has debated Horn and won of course.
I have to politely disagree that he came anywhere close to winning.
@@DanielMotes1689yeah no sorry man James white did not. James white refuses to debate Jimmy akin.
@@DanielMotes1689James white debating Tim Staples
This guy is not talking to a theologian Catholic. He’s just trying to debunk Catholics. That’s why he’s not speaking to somebody like a cardinal or an ordained priest.
He has learned all, so he can be great in the eyes of people in the streets. He speaks like a waterfall, even tells to the man "you believe". He does not need a partner in a dialog😂😂he speaks for everyone
In otherwords he should keep quite and refer to those who are talking to him to go and ask a priest???
You're just watching this one video, Jeff and Dr. White have both debated Catholic theologians on many of their doctrines.
@@PreacherJimCThe Protestants have this big misunderstanding with idols and such. There's a lot of reasons why people build statues and for the Christians it wasn't to worship them. During the Middle Ages in ancient times it was a tradition from the Romans and Greeks to build statues to express one's Beauty the other reason is more practical the vast majority of people in the past On Any Given Society couldn't read or spell that means most human beings around the world even in the most advanced Empires were pretty illiterate.
So since most people couldn't read or write in any given civilization statues and paintings became very important to tell the story. That's why the Catholic church in the Orthodox Church where are the oldest Christian churches in the world directly from the apostles themselves have a bunch of statues and paintings, they continue that tradition. The statues and painting is the expression of beauty and to tell the story like if it was hieroglyphics for people that couldn't read or write.
If he spoke to someone ordained it wouldn’t be any different ppl just follow Catholic due to tradition not truth
I'm 49 and recently reborn,other religions need to stop reading between the lines,stop adding things to God's words and just use common sense.There is only one way to the kingdom and that's through Jesus Christ period!
It's that simple. John 3 16.
Amen! And Jesus built only one Church, not thousands of denominations, which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@petros-petra thats not even true. The church are the people that follow jesus. Not a catholic church.
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg
but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, *which is the church* of the living God, *the pillar and support of the truth*
1 Timothy 3:15 LSB
@@petros-petra that doesent mean it's talking about the catholic church lol.
If the communion/ Eucurist was just
Physical bread and wine, why would St Paul warn the church not to eat or drink it unworthily???
Paul not St Paul. In the Bible it’s Paul not St Paul
I believe he means do not come to God to remember the sacrifice of Christ without being in a good place spiritually. A bit like if you have something against your brother don't come to the temple until after you make right what is wrong.
Coming to the memorial table to honor what Christ did for us (“do this in *remembrance* of me”) while being in willful disobedience through unrepentant sin is dishonoring the work of Christ, that’s what Paul means by eating and drinking in an unworthy manner. If the sacrament itself cleansed us of sin there wouldn’t be a problem, would there.
“This is my body broken for you … this is my blood …” Is just like the classic commercial “this is your brain (shows an egg), this is your brain on drugs (cracks the egg in a hot frying pan)” It’s the same thing. The egg is not our literal brain. Christ was presenting the elements as representations of what He was about to do for all believers.
@@kevinmbangue9226 you really make me laugh…. Who gave you the bible kevin ? Tell me I wanna know where it came from please because I believe it’s fake.
That's certainly one interpretation@@mishalleno-zj2zm
42:25 this is just dishonest. The sin of presumption is NOT assuming you have peace with God.
The Catholic Church is very clear on when you are at peace with God and what you have to do to get there. The sin of presumption is assuming you will be saved without repentance. You can disagree, but it is quite different to how you framed it here.
I think it's dishonest and a tactic used to stir up fear in Catholics.
The sin of presumption can also be having too much confidence in salvation to the point that it leads to spiritual negligence
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON HAS TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?
Trent Horn stated explicitly in one of his public formal debates with James White that the sin of presumption includes the present/current stage of one’s relationship with God…
Yes, Repent or PERISH (Luke 13:3)
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John:
(110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.”
(Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
This is false. You need to watch more debates
One of the most interesting Christian conversations I’ve ever seen on UA-cam. Everybody needs to see this video. Thank God this is online.
Thank god for his creating of the internet... 😂
@@eyesaw1146 I think someone needs to give you a hug.
@@2degreesos you're right. And you know who that someone is? God. He has nothing to lose by revealing himself to me in an unambiguous way. But he chooses not to. I can choose whether or not to 'follow' him, and I'd be choosing based upon something a bit less vague than the mishmash thousand times edited and (mis) translated contradiction that is the bible.
Please tell me why god created people with pale skin on a planet where in many places this means the person will get sunburn and potentially skin cancer from exposure to sun. Explain how this could be the result of perfect design by a perfect being. You know, the same one who after creating his perfect reflection of himself, his children, he then was full of REGRET (yes it says the perfect god felt regret.. think about that), so he flooded the world and killed almost everyone so he could have another go. Except all the evil water dwelling animals were safe anyway.
Imagine if Christianity had only just been invented, over in the middle east right now. It would be much better documented than it was 2000 years ago. But I bet you wouldn't believe it or decide to follow it. Seriously where did Jesus go and what did he do most of his life? We'll never know, because for some reason the only time god/his son came to earth, he didn't manage to document most of it in any reliable way. A perfect being went AWOL and left scriptures without any recorded author or witness testimony. He walked on water, and this was seen from a distance by one bleary eyed fisherman, and the fisherman isn't the person who wrote this down, it was someone anonymous who never met the only supposed witness. And this is the strength of evidence you're happy with?
Please explain.
James 2- 18-26
26 For as a body without a spirit is dead, so also Faith without works is dead.
I updated my comment to show the scripture verse. It's very sad that most of the responses have no idea that I was quoting scripture. James 2- 20 " Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?".
But the works come after and because of saving faith as we can’t work our way to God.
@@briancuff549That's what the Catholic Church teaches too. Pelagianism was condemned a very long time ago already.
@@briancuff549that's what the Catholic Church teaches!!!
Open your eyes. Stop reading Jack Chick comics.
Please define what “works” mean
Love is a work.
I disagree with two things,you can’t be forgiven if you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.And two there is no scripture that says once saved always saved, if I’m wrong someone show it to me.
Also, Jesus can't lose any, but he can and will reject you, and blot your name out the book of life.
Faith without works is dead
If you think you can lose your salvation but haven't yet, who do you think you are?
You did nothing to gain salvation outside of faith. You can do nothing to lose it, or you would have already.
@@generalchrome
Acts 5:
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
So did they go to heaven?
Ananias and his wife?
@stevelovesgod works is a way for believers to discern you as a fellow follower of Christ.
That context isn't saying that those works matter for your salvation in the slightest. It is a 100% free gift from God based on no works of yours. You did nothing for your salvation but believe in Jesus.
Being saved is understanding that fact.
@@generalchrome
you didn't answer my question at all about Acts chapter 5
Wonderfully done. And kudos to the Catholics for having a genuine conversation and asking good questions.
Great job Jeff. Kudos to Jeff for having a genuine conversation and answering their questions. Also for showing the contradictions in their thinking.
@matthewens509 I'm sorry, but I'll give him credit until Jeff actually speaks to Catholic Christians who KNOW scripture. Jeff would not be able to say much because he will not have the same level of understanding as a true Catholic Christian would. It would be like a college professor (Catholic Christian that KNOWS) teaching a student from middle school (Jeff).
@@richyaxl1151Catholics teach purgatory, worship of Mary & the saints as intercessors (Jesus is the ONLY intercessor) & that baptism is for original sin not to mention vain repetition through the priest who supposedly “absolves” you when he clearly can’t Catholicism is covered in legalities, rituals & traditions that take us away from Jesus. They celebrate the “Virgin Mary” more than Christ which is way off
Catholic seems lost
Calvinist believe in once saved always saved that's why they are lost. Research passage Natural Branches KJV. 🎙️drop
"If you really think that you can endure and enjoy the full light and fire of God for a second after you die, being essentially the same kind of being you are now, without any kind of divine operation on your soul, then you dangerously underestimate either your sinful nature, God's holiness, or the gap between them." - Dr. Peter Kreeft
it says that we will be given heavenly bodies and we are a new creation once we accept jesus so your right as long as your saved and turned away from your sins your good because of what jesus did on the cross our old selves have passed away
The Holy Spirit is "operating" on my soul while I am still alive, growing the fruit of the spirit. I'll never achieve perfection in this lifetime, but we are supposed to become more like Jesus Christ now, while here on earth, by repenting of all our sins past and present and renewing our minds with scripture of who we are in Christ without complaining and conflict. Philippians 2
@@ME-ks2vn Amen! I agree with everything you said. However, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically attachments to sin or other disorders. Idk about you, but I am a wretched sinner. And although I believe that my baptism, repentance, and faith in Christ will save me, I think I will need purification by fire before entering the kingdom of heaven. “If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” - 1 Corinthians 3:15
@@livingmydream2427Why are we still tempted if we're given new bodies
@@bcarollo1 1 Corinthians 3 should be read in all its context. Throwing out a verse like that in order to sneak in Purgatory is simply mishandling the text. It is not about entering heaven when we are "unclean". It is about what Scriptures teaches how we are cleansed. The gospel should be understood in the light of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Focusing on righteousness of man as means to enter heaven is not achievable ~ man's righteousness will always be like "filthy rags" before God. The Gospel that focuses on man's work instead of the Good Shepherd who promised that He knows His sheep and they know Him and hear His voice, and even willing to leave the 99 and search for the one that is lost is the One who will present those sheep to the Father, washed and cleansed by His blood, not by purgatorial fire!
The Catholics actually did a pretty good job here .. maybe the online Catholic apologetic sphere which has been coming on strong lately is rubbing off on regular Catholics
Close...but close only counts with horeshoes and hand grenades. 2 Peter 2 tell us that "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves."
There's a hint of truth to every cult and every false teaching. What it comes down to is "was Jesus enough?"
Recent convert here. And Trent Horn is just about a Saint. Every doubt I had about the True church he explained.
Professional pastor vs lay Catholic. Why oh why does the pastor have to misrepresent Catholicism? Is that Calvanism 101?
@@StringofPearls55 it is the only way to slander the Church. If one is honest and removes bias you end up Catholic.
@@davidfunk6698 True.
19:20 now who is adding to the Bible? Jesus never said that “eating his flesh and drinking his blood” means “believing in him and coming to him”. Where is that in the Bible? In fact when he was pressed about it he doubled down, allowed many to walk away and never said it was symbolic.
The first man was trying to say this and the pastor kept interrupting him.
EDIT: I am putting here this because there are too many comments and I have to keep answering the same arguments.
If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" 1 Corinthians 11:29
"Do this in memory of me.” In Greek, this statement reads, “Touto poieite eis tan eman anamnesin.”
Touto poieite can be translated as “do this” or as “offer this”. “poiein” is translated as “offer this” or “sacrifice this” over seventy times in the Old Testament.
Also, every time “anamnesis” appears it is within a sacrificial context (see, for example, Numbers 10:10). It also can be translated as memorial offering or memorial sacrifice. While these nuances are lost in the English translation, the apostles would have understood the sacrificial meaning of Christ’s words.
He actually did in John 6:35
@@dustinnyblom7835 so, you're telling me that in John 6:35 Jesus had the perfect analogy that people understood and gained Him followers. And later in John 6:53 He used this other analogy that made people walk away and potentially lose their soul, and He never told them that it was symbolic, but allowed them to walk away in verse 66. And he even asked the apostles "do you also want to leave?", Instead of explaining to them that it was symbolic? And even the apostles don't say they know is symbolic, instead Peter answers “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”, in other words, "You have the power to do as you said."
John 6:66
@@DRWH044 they go together in this story
@@dustinnyblom7835 they go together and yet He allowed them to walk away. And never explained it to the apostles?
I think it's rather, an incremental teaching starting with the symbolic and working torwards the real.
If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say in 1 Corinthians 11:29 "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself"
This is such a great friendly discussion!
I'm glad to see you're doing well. These questions and debates were a lot more civil than what I had seen years ago. Keep up the good work. ❤
Satan hates to see Jesus on the cross cause it reminds him of Christ victory.
Like Paul said, I preach Christ crucified
The quote is crucified, past tense. and although I am no expert on what satan likes or dislikes, I believe an empty tomb conveys the message far better. I don't see how a portrayal of Jesus suffering would be anything but pleasing to satan.
His victory was his resurrection.
@@scrufinator1past tense??? Then why did Paul say it past tense?
Because Paul was after Christ’s resurrection. Jesus was no longer on the cross for He lives. ❤
Gal 2:20-21 KJV
20 (((I am))) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; (((yet not I))), (((but Christ liveth in me))): (((and the life which I now live in the flesh))) (((I live))) (((by the faith))) (((OF))) (((the Son of God))), who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 (((I do not frustrate the grace of God))): (((for if righteousness come by the law))), (((then Christ is dead in vain))).
CHRIST CRUCIFIED REPRESENTS US BEING DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD!
CHRIST RESURRECTED, REPRESENTS RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A GIFT RECEIVED BY FAITH.
Romans 6:7-11 KJV
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead DIETH (((NO MORE)); death hath (((NO MORE))) dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin (((ONCE))); but in that he liveth, (((he liveth unto God))). [NO BLOODLESS REPEATED SACRIFICE / MASS NEEDED]
11 Likewise (((reckon))) / [BELIEVE] ye also yourselves (((to be dead indeed unto sin))), (((but alive unto God))) (((through Jesus Christ our Lord))). DO YOU BELIEVE?
Romans 1:16-17
King James Version
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for (((IT))) (((IS))) (((the power of God))) (((unto salvation))) (((to every one that believeth))); to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For (((therein))) / [GOSPEL / GOOD NEWS] (((IS))) (((the righteousness of God))) [AS A GIFT] (((revealed))) from [OLD COVENANT] faith to [NEW COVENANT] faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS]
2Cor 5:21 KJV
21 For he [GOD THE FATHER] (((hath made him) / [JESUS] (((to be sin))) (((for us))), who knew no sin; (((that we might be made))) (((the righteousness of God in him))).
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
SALVATION IS NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S DOGMATIC SACRAMENTS
BUT RATHER BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE , THROUGH GODS GRACE LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST! Eph 2:8-9
PEACE
Catholics have a much stronger case in general, the pastor will surely win a debate with most ordinary people due to his previous experiences but that doesn't make him right. I am sure he wouldn't look as strong against catholic apologetics like Sam Shamoun for example. The roman catholic church is the universal church that Jesus started and appointed Peter as its head, he then sent the holy spirit to guide the fathers in explaining scriptures and guiding the church of God. Splitting away from the church is the devil's work, this lead to weakening the church and the Christian faith and ultimately lead to our current situation today. By separating from the church every person started explaining scripture out of his own mind, most of them not guided by the holy spirit... that is why you have thousands and thousands of protestant denominations today, most of the them disagree in many things, whereas the Catholic church is still preserved to a great extent (giving all that happened in the last 2000 years).
The church is the body of Christ and I have unity with all who are a part of the body regardless of the name on the building we gather at. The church is not a named manmade institution, and there is no biblical justification of it, as well as the fact that the transition between Christians meeting in random groups across the roman empire, and an established "church" which treated buildings as sacred temples, something antithetical to Christianity as our bodies are where God resides, happened slowly over about 300-350 years culminating in Constantine establishing the Roman Catholic church and building about 40 elaborate churches destroying the early church model of meeting in houses.
I recently read there are over 44,000 kinds of Christian Churches. Crazy!!! Diabolical!!!
Actually, Satan started the Catholic Church
@@thebestSteventhe church was referred to as catholic/katholikos, which means universal, as a descriptive. St. Ignatius who was a disciple of John, used the word Catholic in a letter to the smrynaens. It’s likely the word was used before that. The Holy Spirit that Jesus sent to the apostles, along with apostolic teaching, was transferred to succeeding bishops which is why the church maintained its unity. Bishops, and the priests they laid hands on, were the only ones who could handle the Eucharist: the holy food that has the potential to kill you as Paul states in Corinthians. This is why apostolic succession is important. So the church is not just any person who claims to be a believer. It is very specific theology/ecclesiology. Just reading the specifications of the tabernacle, to ppl dying for offering incorrect worship or touching the ark, is insight to what is required per Gods holiness. Grace is why He hasn’t killed us all
@@jonmack2437 none of that refutes anything I said. I could start a club in my town called the National Football League where we play a game kicking a ball with our feet and let's say it takes off any becomes a huge sport, that doesn't mean we are the same thing as the actual NFL. It doesn't mean our rules are the same or that it is what the people who started the NFL wanted it to be. Constantine was a monster who coopted Christianity mixing it with the Roman version of the age old Babylonian mysteries religion and called it the Catholic Church.
Also, there are confirmed unrepentant monsters who regularly take Roman Catholic communion and don't drop dead, like for example Joe Biden who knows NOTHING of Christ. He demonstrates NONE of the fruit of the spirit. So where is the apostolic power to drop him dead? He's had 60 years of being a greedy, power hungry monster and yet even on death's door your priests refuse to even excommunicate him. It's because the Roman Catholic church is not apostolic. The apostles are gone. That generation is over. This is the age of the church, the true church, the body of Christ.
One of them is listening... One of them is telling the other what that other believes.. not letting the other finish his points and judging the other.. this is not a fair conversation at all.
Multiple great conversations did you watch the entire video ?
That's free for all Christianity for you. I do what I want to do, I believe what I want to believe. I'll do it my way, I am the authority!
One of them are hard hearted and stiff necked as God said, when He rejected Isreal. No one who follows Roman Catholicism can understand scripture and that's a fact friend. I love all of you, but the truth is not in religion and certainly far from Rome. The difference is God internationally blinded Israel and hasn't forsaken them. A Gentile will be held accountable
But what is supremely important is the truth the Word of God expresses is being revealed !
I agree. I would have likes to hear both sides...within interruption from the other.
Faith in Jesus makes me want to do good things. I don't do good things to get my salvation. Jesus paid that debt for all of us. All you have to do is believe.
Works are the FRUIT (result) of our salvation, not the ROOT (source of or contributor to) our salvation.
Can you tell me where in the bible by faith alone, you shall be saved.
@eugenefernandez4377
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 5:1
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Justified means declared righteous as Christ was our substitute ie saved.
To just believe, I know you did not find In the Bible you have to stop sinning for sure, to believe is to obey God. To be a true Christian one has to confess and forsake all sins in his life for the rest of his life and be baptized, where your past sins are washed away Henceforth you walk in newness of life. The Lord’s yoke is easy and light. Choose life.
@@eugenefernandez4377 here are four verses or series of verses. Hope these help.
John 3:16 (NET) For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:28-29 (NET) 28 So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" 29 Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."
Acts 16:30-31 (NET) 30 Then he brought them outside and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household."
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NET) 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.
Hey Jeff... why don't you talk with a Catholic Apologist? You are a Pastor, and you are talking with a Catholic layman. Talk with a skilled Catholic who can answer the questions well.
Why not pick a topic from this conversation and present your argument here?
The pastor misquoted Ephesians 3:8-9. It does NOT say “by faith alone”. It says “by grace through faith”. He added “faith alone”, which is not in the text, nor is it implied.
Because people like to sandbag. If not they just like to talk. Me personally I find no honor in sandbagging.
@@ScottChase-f3r that’s true but when you see the context you will understand.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:8-10 NKJV
@@ScottChase-f3r don’t forget the rest… not of WORKS lest any many should boast.
Sacraments- works
Rosaries-works
Holy days of observation- works
Genuflecting- work
Sign of the cross-work
Etc etc etc
The so called pastor in the video has no idea why Catholics wear a Crucifix instead of an empty cross, as can be heard at about the 9:00 minute mark. The reason that Catholics wear a Crucifix is precisely because "we preach Christ Crucified and are unashamed of this Gospel teaching. Let's see whose side of the argument St. Paul agrees with: *_1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles_* ...." So it appears that the pastor in the video knows very little of what the Bible teaches. The Crucifix is folly to Gentiles.
Hmmmm ...so with YESHUA on the Crucifix, the statement many would say is HE died and is no longer alive, wasn't resurrected, and ascended? Would YESHUA NOT being on the cross mean HE was there, HE died, was taken off the cross, buried, & rose again 3 days layer so HE LIVES? Someone care to add your thoughts?
@@elizabethviars7246 *_1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles_* ...."
Catholics venerate the Cross and the Crucifix. St. Paul declares that Christ crucified is folly to Jews and Gentiles. But as a Catholic Bishop, Paul proudly proclaimed Christ crucified and there can be no doubt that he would certainly be wearing a Crucifix to visibly proclaim the Gospel message of the Crucifixion. If the Crucifix is folly to you, then you should consider that you may be Jew or Gentile but definitely not Christian. Think about it.
Christ is no longer on the cross
@@dustinnyblom7835 You say that Christ is no longer on the Cross today. Well don’t you know that you could have said the exact same thing to St. Paul when he wrote those words 2000 years ago? In your way of thinking Christ had been taken from the Cross long before St. Paul wrote those words, so what gives? Why wasn’t there some wise Protestant telling St. Paul that he can’t preach Christ crucified but instead he should be preaching Christ dead and buried? Hmmm.....let’s see if we can figure out what St. Paul was thinking.
We know that Christ was sacrificed upon the Altar of the Cross. We know that Christ is the only Pure Sacrifice. Now try to understand this. Malachi is the last Book of the Old Testament. After Malachi’s prophecies God fell silent for the next 400 years or so, and then came John the Baptist announcing Jesus as the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sins of the world. Cute little lambs don’t take away sin, so what is the Baptist talking about? Jesus is the Pure Sacrifice that we read about in Malachi, there can be no other. Malachi says that this Pure Offering will be offered in EVERY PLACE FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN TO ITS SETTING.
*_Malachi _**_1:11_**_ For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts_* .
Think about that my friend. If you were to seek out this Pure Offering every day, where would you find it? The only place that you could experience this Sacrifice is in the Holy Mass which is being celebrated every hour of the day, every single day somewhere in the world - “from the rising of the sun to its setting”. At every Mass the Lamb is slain. The Lamb is Sacrificed upon the Altar of the Cross. Christ is not sacrificed over and over again, but the One Sacrifice is made Present for all people and for all time. That is the prophecy, and you will only find that prophecy fulfilled in the Catholic Mass. So you see my friend, Christ is still on the Cross at every single Mass. This is reality. Now you know why we preach Christ crucified. Protestants deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Mass, therefore they are repulsed by the Crucifix. Think about it.
*_1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles_* ...."
@@purgatorean Doesn't "Crucified" mean past tense, that it already happened?
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), the Catholic Encyclopedia, and The Council of Trent, we find the Eucharist referred to in many ways.
- As a sacrifice
“the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist” (CCC 1055) and “the Eucharist is also a sacrifice” (CCC 1365).
- As a divine sacrifice
“For it is in the liturgy, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, that “the work of our redemption is accomplished,” (CCC 1068).
- As a representation of the sacrifice of Christ
“The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross” (CCC 1366).
- Is ‘one single sacrifice’ with Christ’s sacrifice
“The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice” (CCC 1367).
- It is the same sacrifice of Christ
“And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner” (CCC 1367).
- It is propitiatory (removes the wrath of God)
“…this sacrifice is truly propitiatory” (CCC 1367).
- To all who deny its propitiatory nature Trent pronounces anathema
“If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.” (Trent: On the Sacrifice of the Mass: Canon 3);
- It is called the sacrifice of Christ which is offered via the priest’s hands
“The sacrifice of Christ the only Mediator, which in the Eucharist is offered through the priests’ hands,” (CCC 1369).
- It is capable of making reparation of sins
“As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead” (CCC 1414).
- It is to be considered a true and proper sacrifice
“The Church intends the Mass to be regarded as a ‘true and proper sacrifice'” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, topic: “Sacrifice of the Mass”).
So how can the "unbloody sacrifice (Pure Offering) of the mass be propitiatory" when the Bible is crystal clear that "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness"?
"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22
Jeff Durbin's argument that Catholic's aren't perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ is untenable. His argument is because we need to be forgiven when we commit sins in the present, that we are not being perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ. The Bible never says we are forgiven of our future sins and invokes us to daily pray "forgive us our trespasses." We obviously are not forgiven of future sins if we need to confess our sins (1 John 1:9) to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness. Also, John says that Jesus is our advocate with the Father if we commit sins 1 John 2:1. If we were forgiven of all future sins, we wouldn't need an advocate interceding for us perpetually in heaven to obtain the forgiveness of sins. We are forgiven of our past sins when we repent. However, future sins are not forgiven until we confess our sins and then Jesus, our advocate intercedes to the Father on our behalf. The Father is able to forgive our sins because he has been appeased by the Sacrifice of Christ. Thus, the Sacrifice of Christ does perfect those who are being sanctified - whether at Calvary or re-presented in the Mass (there is one Sacrifice).
I see your point. However Jeff mentions that the Bible teaches we can be perfected by the atonement once for all. If we are perfected only at mass it is not for all time.
You are confusing justification with sanctification my Brother. We are perfected once and for all ‘eternally “ through the righteousness of Christ, not our own. The sins we commit after our redemption, result in loss of fellowship with our Father, not loss of the eternal life Jeff is referring too. Hebrews says we can boldly approach the throne of God because of the finished work of Christ and HIS righteousness, again not our own. Our own righteousness is like filthy rags to our Heavenly Father (Isaiah 64:6). Sanctification is the life long process where the Holy Spirit changes us from the inside out to be more like Christ.
Well said Brother!
@@chrisjordan2650 Mortal sins can result in the loss of salvation. Otherwise, Paul wouldn't warn Christians - "envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
@@JonahStewart1 Christ sacrifice was the perfect atonement for sin. There is only one Sacrifice offered once for all but there is ongoing dimension to it's presentation in heaven and on earth. We are perfected by the one Sacrifice of Christ because the Sacrifice appeases the Father's wrath - and we can be forgiven of our sins and sanctified. Once for all means there no longer has to be a new sacrifice for sins, not that it isn't continually presented.
Just as Christ intercedes and continually presents his Sacrifice for our sins in the heavenly sanctuary doesn't mean we aren't perfected by the Sacrfice....so too, the presentation of that Sacrifice in the Mass doesn't mean we aren't perfected by the Sacrifice. The ongoing presentation doesn't limit it's ability to appease the Father's wrath, forgive our sins, and sanctify us.
Also, it would be incorrect to say that "we are only perfected at Mass." That would be like saying we have to present at Calvary to be perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ. We don't have to be present at the Sacrifice to be perfected by it. I think this is one of Jeff Durbin's misconceptions too. Christ applies the merits of the Sacrifice to us when we have faith, repent, and are baptized - and throughout our lives in the sanctification process. Being present at mass and receiving Jesus in Holy Communion is important for our sanctification but it isn't the only way that we are perfected by the Sacrifice.
Excellent work. Excellent video. Loved every minute of it. Thank You
The girl can articulate herself, shes studied and is aware. Commendable
I wish he actually listened when she spoke. He seems to just be rehearsing his responses the whole time and cutting her off. Very irritating.
@@truthnotlies That is Protestantism for you. He already "knows" she is wrong. He is an experienced debater and she is a random off the street so eventually he will be able to confuse her into a position where he can make her look wrong. She she did well to defend the truth.
You seriously can't be trying to make Jeff look like the bad guy.
He didn't belittle her once and she never felt offended.
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So don't take some imaginary moral highway to nowhere, they're simply debating and doing it very cordialy.
That being said, this is a matter of a position vs a counter position - this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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"If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small."
-Proverbs 24:10 📖
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If you can't defeat Jeff's arguments then your strength is small and you need more strength.
Strength is of the Lord.
Be in line with His Word, and you'll have all the strength you need to overcome, not Jeff Durbin, but the evil one who is the father of lies and the author of confusion.
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Jesus Christ is Lord! 🙌
@@truthnotlieseh? He was very very patient and didn’t interrupt her once. Weird conclusion.
@@vladolenin1345 uh, I agree with Jeff on plenty of things but I'm not in a Jeff Durbin fan club or anything. Lol but ok then
Why do reformed “Christians” never specify who’s ideology they are following. Commonly i see Protestants tell Catholics what they believe instead of asking how they arrive to a conclusion.
It’s like they’re obsessed with justifying why they left the Catholic church, either now or centuries earlier😬
Because "Reformed Christians" are gifted with infallibility, deciding what is true & biblical, and what is not true & what is not biblical.🤣😅😂
If you read your Bible, you'll know why the Catholic church is false and why ppl run away. You don't need any of the extra garbage they put in. Just Jesus !!!
Yes it is impossible for a Catholic to make any assumption at all about the beliefs (or values!) of any given Protestant.
He’s citing scripture, and scripture alone. Not bringing in traditions and and sacraments. Only what’s in the Bible
I believe the young woman gave a uppercut to the Pastor at 29:44. She got him on "Why repent" if we're already forgiven.
Pastor got a little dazed in my humble opinion, but know, I'm not attacking pastor in any way.
quite a bold statement. not sure i watched a single second where he is dazed or where there is an uppercut. He responds promptly and quickly with scripture right after.
I caught that too. She is well spoken.
Thanks for knowing your faith my catholic brothers and sisters god bless you all
There’s nothing humble about your comment. Leave your opinions out of truth.
Repentance is to change your mind. Metanoia. To change your mind from unbelief in Christ’s atoning work & resurrection &/or trusting your own works for salvation, to putting your faith in Him only for salvation. Forgiveness happened on the cross. Tetelestai.
I think the pastor twisted the words that the Catholic said. Purgatory is a place to be purified. Yes. But after Christ has already given you the grace. As a protestant, you believe in a purification state, except it's a quick version. And the Apostle Paul taught that with his own SUFFERING, he would complete the sacrifice that Jesus did at the cross.
Wait, what? Paul has nothing to do with our salvation, that is Jesus and Jesus alone upon dying on that cross!
There's no such place. One of the many reasons I'll never be a Catholic.
I like this but I wish there would be less assumption and equivocation on both sides. I am on your side Jeff, but the Roman system is not as simplistic as you are making it sound. We need to actually do a better job listening and hearing, not assuming certain conclusions.
He loves to presuppose and cut people off
Thank you! Protestants always get wring what we believe as Catholics. People see through this, then do their own research, and many come home to the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus through His Apostles. That's only one of the reasons you see so many more conversions to Catholicism.... oh, by the way, it's not the " Roman system".
Do we call Protestantism the
" worm system"? ( Since Protestantism came out of Worms, Germany).
@@cristinamz2137 I appreciate that, but yes you have your own caricature of Protestantism, and the “Jesus founded our church…” line is particularly old and anachronistic.
@@rickbaker261Since when did "old" become problematic in any of the "great" religious traditions?
@@GordonSou sorry. I meant old as in a tired and stupid argument
I usually agree with how Pastor Jeff argues, but he is mistaken when he says, "those who eat His Flesh and drink His Blood are those that believe in Him and come to Him." That is NOT what the Bible says. The Bible actually says the reverse...those who eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood abide in Him. According to the Text, the eating of His Flesh and drinking of His Blood is what makes you abide in Him. Jesus says His Flesh is REAL FOOD and His Blood REAL DRINK, He does NOT say believing in Me is drinking My Blood and eating My Flesh.
"Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven-not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever. (John 6:53-58)”
Amen 💯!!!
This chapter has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper or communion. Nothing about the eucharist being represented at all..
v. 38 For I have come down from heaven
v. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
v. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven.
v. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day
Notice Jesus said He is the bread that CAME down. Past tense 3 times! Nothing about coming down again in the future.
Also Jesus stated that He is bread. Not bread is Jesus. That is the logical fallacy of equivocation.
Lastly anything more than trusting in the sufficiency of Christ for eternal life denies verse 40.
@@maredondo I will say it again: "My Flesh is REAL FOOD and My Blood REAL DRINK."
Brother, flash of Jesus is the living bread ( words of the God ) his blood is the BELIVE in him ( Holy Spirit ) he died and took all his sins with him and washed off all of them with his BLOOD ! Holly Blood!
By saying my Flash is the real Bread, Lord Jesus said than everyone who come to him will be no longer hungry and those who believe in him never ever will be thirsty, because will receive the Holy Spirit and Jesus and his Father ( Our Father ) will dwell in us !!
The blood represents the LIFE !
When you the received the Holy Spirit I am talking IF you are BORN and Babtize in the Holy Spirit and you are BORN again as the new creation !
You belong to Jesus and you become the Body of Jesus !!
Your name has been sealed in the book of life and you have enternal life !
I've been struggling with assurance lately after walking with him for years. I'm listening to this debate just because I'm always interested in apologetics and love the Apologia crew. Hearing these truths of the Gospel is refreshing. I look at myself to often and see my failures so clearly and easily lose heart. But hearing the Gospel always reminds me to look at Christ and his perfect obedience, death and resurrection and I have hope again. I need to hear and preach the Gospel to myself daily.
Find a Catholic Church to receive the Work of God in Holy Communion.Dont rely on yourself, rely on Jesus.
The Catholic Church misses the Gospel and adds works to salvation. Anything you add to salvation is like saying that Jesus's sacrifice wasn't good enough. Rest in the work He has done. It is finished.
@@DanielMotes1689 The Catholic Church is the One, True Church... "Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no Life within you."
@DanielMotesSEO Exactly. I can’t understand how you could be saved and believe Jesus died for your sins but also believe you can still go to hell. Jesus’ sacrifice was for my past, present, and future sins. Adding anything else is literally telling Jesus that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
@@traviscoston5238 If you have mortal sin on your soul when you die, that's how... Truth & Life RSV-CE
19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
21 whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.
Acts 3:19-21 RSV-CE
So glad I left the Catholic Church after 63 years. I’m now finally at peace knowing Jesus paid all my debts.
Christ began only ONE Church in c. 30 AD, not 50,000 prottie “inventions” that came about after luther
Protestant tradition and Catholic tradition. Each have their interpretation to scripture. Question is not what the Bible says but whose interpretation of scripture is correct. Some do shallow interpretation and some complex from the traditions. But all are attempts to identify what Jesus meant. This is the dilemma. Read Church history to those that care to find what the first Christian believed. Tradition is important because it’s a means to preserve interpretation and teaching to carry to next generations. We all practice it whether you acknowledge it or not to a degree. God bless 🙏
Actually what matters is God’s Word which was made flesh via the incarnation Jesus Christ I don’t really care about human interpretation if it doesn’t align with what Jesus says besides tradition & rituals are a problem when they take away from the truth of the gospel
No, the question is not who interprets scripture best. You cannot see past your own assumptions if you think that is the problem.
Scripture is one of many Church traditions, and in fact one of the later traditions. Our Lord did not instruct Peter to write a book, He told him to found a Church. And yet for some reason, Protestants think the bible is the single and only source of authority.
Where in the bible does it say we must only derive authority from within it?
The real problem is protestants take one Catholic tradition - the Scripture that we compiled - and confusedly try to use it to undermine the rest of Church tradition.
What came first, through? That's the real problem.
Unfortunately, when man touches anything, it goes awry. Trust in God's word. The rest is irrelevant. His grace by faith. I would recommend to stay away from a cult that practices falsely but continues to deny it.
Correct. And it was the Apostles whom were told that they will be guided by Christ himself ALWAYS. So the only churches that have a place to debate are the Catholics and Orthodox, due to their proven apostolic succession. Protestants and other "Christians" are simply following the traditions of men.
@@TruLuanPLEASE READ YOUR CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( CCC ) WHAT IT TEACHES IS HERESY IT DEFINITELY ISN’T ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE,READ IT YOURSELF! IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATECHISM IS TRUTH THEN YOU EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES OR ITS INTERPRETATION !
Why target young Catholics on the streets who may or may not know their faith as much as the pastor ? Why not debate with somebody who is obviously equal with your theological intellect ?
To save them from going to hell.
@@brendan9218 faith alone could certainly lead those souls to Hell.
At time stamp 24:20 Jeff tries to assert that Abraham was justified by faith alone. An experienced Catholic like myself would have caught this attempt and I wouldn't have granted Jeff this.
Jeff knows Abraham was justified by his works as a fact because James himself tells us he was when he offered his son Issac up. So Jeff is flat out ignoring this fact because it doesn't fit the faith alone narrative which is honestly false.
Yes, James said Abraham was justified by his works. Rahab the prostitute, too.
As a Catholic, I treasure my Protestant brothers and sisters, even if we disagree. But we agree on so many fundamentals, not the least of which the centrality of Christ, not the least on many social issues today. I find the entire "faith vs. works" debate very tiresome. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Who knows the entire mystery of faith? Who should boast that they know it all? I find it more helpful to focus on where we agree, and to have humility that no one really understands the entire mystery of faith. It is beyond human understanding, it is "supernatural" in every sense of the word.
But what does the scripture says matters the most, not extra-biblical material that might even contradict the message of the scripture. These are matters concerning life and obviously our eternity so it should continuously be examined...
@@tyhilibomkazi5692 Who is the interpreter of scripture? So many Protestants look to the Bible as the only authority, yet there are dozens of faith traditions that vehemently disagree on how to interpret the scriptures. The results of following "only the Bible" have borne themselves out, and the fruit has been division.
The scriptures say you need both.
I was saved by faith first , and now I do works because it’s fun to do , his way of loving and being a servant to others fills my joy beyond comprehension. I was never baptized by water when I was first saved . I called out to him , repented , and I received his Holy Spirit ; not only that I was also healed and all my desires changed . Now I do works because it’s my gratitude to him . He continues to bless me even though I mess up time to time even though I don’t deserve it . But yet I cry of joy because he’s just so good , I praise him when I feel it and praise him when I don’t . I did get baptize by water but nothing happened like when I verbally repented . No more lustful chains nor do I care for anything of what the world offers . All I care is about God . He’s always on my mind . His words when I listen to it melts my heart , but it fills more joy when I become a doer of the word also . Being a servant of any way that can help my neighbor to see the light that God wants us to be by following Jesus . I do works because through faith I was healed and saved . Every day I use my hands and mouth that will fulfill his purpose for me . Least I try to for him .
@@mark82592do you have the Catholic interpretations? I’ve ask many. Nothing yet? Where they at?
I respect and appreciate greatly the fact that Jeff Durbin has enabled people to openly comment in this channel, unlike James White. I would love to see a debate between Jeff vs Tim Spales (Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or Joe Heschmeyer) on Justification. @Jeff... May God bless, guide, and protect you always! 🙏🏼
Problem is his approach basically using typical fundamentalist attacks and giving Catholic no time to respond. He is hitting at Deep Catholic beliefs and reality of sacraments that are Christ’s active ministry to us through He Himself.
So he is reinforcing ideas that further entrench fundamentalists.
This morning I finished reading the first public exorcism in the Church hundreds of years ago that included Calvinist and other protestant ministers.
In the end the Eucharist defeated the devils, not the Protestant bread and the demon said he is the one who founded these heretical belief systems within Protestantism.
One Calvinist repented and became Catholic, the rest left just like those who left Christ prior to the Last Supper.
I enjoy listening to Jeff dialogue with people. He is patient, eloquent, respectful, brilliant, and loving.
I pray that God would help open Jeff’s heart to the truth that the doctrine of Calvinism does not represent who He is. These words are coming from a believer that was a Calvinist twenty years ago.
What made you change your mind 20 years ago
I was struggling with the many scriptures that contradicted Calvinist theology. I fervently prayed that God would reveal the truth to me. The Holy Spirit through the scriptures revealed to me that the passages of scripture that Calvinists use to support their doctrine were not being interpreted correctly and that the gospel is good news for all. If you believe in Calvinism, you can not honestly tell an unbeliever that God loves them, He died for their sin, and offers them the gift of eternal life if they repent and trust in Christ Jesus alone.Because according to their interpretation of predestination and election, that might not be the case.
@@my3pups153 TY for your reply - I agree with you. I left Catholicism and relied wholly on the Holy Spirit to bring me into truth. I had never heard of pre-destination I prayed about it and rejected it because I do not believe it is doctrinely correct. There are arguments within the Christian faith about pre-destination. Though I know that God knows all things, and he knows who will choose to follow him, and who will reject him - our commission is to share the gospel with all people, and then leave it in God's hands - trusting him to work His way in them.
Amen! Michael Brown has argued persuasively against predestination. If you have not feasted on those debates it would be gainful to seek them out. That said, it is clearly evident that The Holy Spirit is working powerfully through Jeff Durbin. He is extremely effective in casting down unbiblical doctrines. And he does it with grace and love.
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@@tangomcphearson74 Are saying Predestination is not taught in the Bible?
Great conversations! I really like the patient and civil discussion about doctrinal differences. Great examples on both sides.
I can debunk both sides. Know greek translation on the biblical content. John,acts, revelation and other 100 💯 verses nail 💅 it to the cross. Confession James 5.
Pope fake francis endorsement of LGBT 123 and his false dogmas. Vatican is infiltration is there
No matter how many times you tell Jeff Durbin you don't believe something, he still gets to decide if you do. 😂😂😂
Are you talking about when he said “perfect peace”? It’s because she doesn’t. That’s not about belief or feeling. She admitted there’s wrath between her and God. She can *pretend* she has perfect peace, but she’s fooling herself.
Where did she admit this? She said she has peace because she trusts in God's mercy. @@artax7664 Jeff believes that you are sanctified on this earth. Not sure why that's necessary if you are already elect and saved without any free will in his part. Sounds like that sanctification is part of a cleansing, a justice that must be served on our parts.
I know, it's just crazy how he points out someone's contradicting beliefs with such ease.
@@ChristisLord2023🤡
He's a narcissist
The thief on the cross repented in front of the High Priest, Jesus himself in the flesh, confessing his sins to him with true contrition, while suffering a physical punishment for his crimes (which adds an element of Justice and penance). According to Catholic teaching, this suffices for him being accepted in Heaven right away. As for wether or not he was baptized in water prior to his death, the Bible doesn't say. The Protestants -- therefore -- cannot claim he was not.
The question "what's purgatory about" is easy to answer. This Catholic, God bless him, didn't really connect the dots for the Protestant, probably because he had a debate visited on him but was there for a demonstration.
The pastor went for a nondebater. He wouldn't last going toe to toe with a Catholic apologist or other fellow debater prepared to meet his questions. He would convert or embrace cognitive dissonance.
You know, poorly catechized Protestants are everywhere and make easy lowhanging fruit, too. Not sure Id youtube going after one, though.
Try again with Trent Horn, Jimmy Akins, Brian Mercier or one of the many well catechized Catholics who are helping convert Protestants by the millions in this time of grace before the coming chastisement. Youll have a very different video. See you at mass.
pretty sure that the pastor has debated RC priests and teachers multiple occasions.
@@357mangumyup, many times. And Jehovahs witnesses, and LDS, etc., etc.
There’s no where in the Bible to justify this claim of purgatory, Jesus paid the entire fine which is why its grace and mercy. You can’t take your own punishment of any kind and then call that “grace”.
God has the most just kind of judgment which means that the debt of sin needs to be paid in full, it’s not like a payment plan where a little gets paid bit by bit or half and half, it’s either fully on Jesus who took that judgment on Himself, or us if we reject Him.
💙💜💙 Catholicism is not Christianity. These popes prove that. None of these things have anything to do with Christ. They are the antichrist and the RCC is a one-way road to an everlasting hell. Please repent and open your eyes. *Matthew 16:18* is misinterpreted by Catholics. *Matthew 16:19* is misinterpreted by Catholics. Trying to explain to Catholics that they are deceived is not an easy tasks. Adhering to the doctrines of Satan is departing from the faith. *1 Tim 4:1-5.* There are no omnipresent humans or saints who can hear or intercede prayers.
**LIST OF PAPAL DECRESS**
- **Unam Sanctam (1302)** - Issued by Pope Boniface VIII, asserting papal supremacy over secular rulers, leading to tensions with monarchs and contributing to the Avignon Papacy. Its claims were such that obedience to the pope is necessary for salvation.
- **Dum Diversas (1452)** Papal bull issued by Pope Nicholas V, authorizing King Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any Saracens (Muslims) and pagans to perpetual slavery, contributing to the justification of the transatlantic slave trade.
- **Inter Caetera (1493)** Papal bull issued by Pope Alexander VI, dividing newly discovered lands outside Europe between Spain and Portugal, contributing to centuries of colonial exploitation and indigenous oppression.
- **Cum Nimis Absurdum (1555)** Established the Roman Ghetto and imposed various restrictions and discriminatory measures against Jewish residents of Rome.
- **Innocent III’s Fourth Council of the Lateran (1215)** - Enforced the doctrine of Transubstantiation.
- **Ineffabilis Deus (1854)** - Proclaimed the Immaculate Conception of Mary.
- **Ad Extirpanda (1252)** - Authorized the use of torture during the Inquisition.
- **Regnans in Excelsis (1570)** - Excommunicated Queen Elizabeth I of England and encouraged rebellion against her.
- **Quia Emptores (1290)** - Allowed Jews to be expelled from England, contributing to religious persecution.
- **Fiducia Supplicans (2023)** - A declaration re: pastoral meaning of blessings, which included statements about the possibility of offering pastoral blessings to couples in irregular situations, including same-sex couples. (This isn’t a decree).
@@HR_Racc bull5hit there's no place in the bible.
Purgatory is nothing more than the Latin translation for the Hebrew word Sheol, the place they were translating, which is all over the old Testament, and probably in whatever cut up ragged tatters of the actual Bible that Luther and his dogs left for you to read over. Help me remember, Luther et al adulterated so much... did he cut out the book of Kings too? Or did he leave you that?
We can quibble over the details but that's exhibit A of why you're wrong.
You were lied to by the agents of Satan posing as your elders.
Cope better, Prots.
All I kept thinking was wouldn’t it be great if Sam Shamoun turned up to join this conversation. Praise God
Sam Shamoun is not Jesus. He is a mortal like any man. The fact that he validates Catholicism doesn't mean Catholicism is true. Put your faith on Jesus, not Sam Shamoun.
@@_Be_Still well said
@@_Be_Stillapply that statement to Jeff Durban too
@@RA4JDurban forbid
@@RA4JJesus validates everything Jeff said. Catholicism isn't biblical.
Sorry, this Pastor does not understand Catholic Theology. What he is "debunking" isn't Catholicism.
Setup a debate with a Catholic Apologist. Let's see how that goes.
He’s denied countless times and argues with every day Catholics that don’t know how to handle the rhetoric they use
He debunk many things about catholicism just that you dont want to get anything. Catholicism have a lot of fault teaching and traditions not biblical. I am an ex catholic so i know what is it, reading the bible with the help of holyspirit save me.
What an amazing beautiful courteous conversation. Loved it
Interruptions aren't beautiful mate
@@iddodomingo6118 ok.
Protestants conflate justification with sanctification. Justification is through faith, but we work out or faith through fear and trembling. That is the process of sanctification. I confess my sins when i falter, because jesus commanded us to do so and continue to imitate christ more and more. Faith is an ongoing process, not simply a factual statement. Calvanist's resemble the gnostics to me.
Not all Protestants are Calvanists.
@eucharistangel4662 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and DO HIS WILL (Christ says this). In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end" and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE GRACE OF CHRIST. In hope, the Church prays for "all men to be saved." She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven... what about this statement is not biblical lol? It's literally saying do the will of the father and through the grace that Christ gave to us on the cross we enter into heaven if we persevere to the end.
@eucharistangel4662 You misrepresent the Gospel. You are cherry picking the catechism and not reading contextually, basic problem of self interpretation.
@@themanufan8 Better answer.
@eucharistangel4662The satan's masterpiece is making people lime you think that you will enter heaven without being obedient and having good works.
love that Protestants read the bible then re-educates the Catholics and eastern Orthodox about everything. They forget the oral tradition that is handed down from generation to generation.
The bible is not oral tradition, it is a written manuscript.
And let’s not forget who Jesus was constantly correcting, the Pharisees. Who were known to take scripture and add oral passed down tradition to it.
@Stinkyjo55 you can't refute oral knowledge that wasn't written and handed down from the apostles. No one can remember everything when you came to writing the gospels or letters. An eye witness doesn't necessarily need a photo or a written statement to be true.
There is no oral tradition. See Joshua 8:32-35. Joshua read a written word called the Torah. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for saying the traditions of men were the precepts of God.
If the Gospel had to be supported by oral tradition there would not be any difference to religions. Other religions and cultures have their oral traditions. The Bible is God's eternal Word. I believe only what the Holy Spirit says, not what another human like me thinks.
How does this pastor know that he's interpreting the scripture correctly when the early church fathers, 1,500 years of pre-reformation Tradition, and a Bible that is missing 7 books because one man chose to remove them for reasons that he didn't apply to numerous others e.g. Hebrews? Did he reach his conclusions by reading the Bible independently or did he learn them from other men?
He learned from the Bible and other men, there's nothing wrong with tradition but that that is against the bible. He states near the end how the early fathers have contentions with The Roman Catholic church's teachings later.
The early church fathers were not unanimous on many teachings, especially when considering the claims of the RCC. Christ Himself tested "traditions" held for centuries against the Word of God and found it baseless and in fact contradictory. You assert that 7 books were taken out by Luther but fail to recognize that perhaps it was the RCC that ADDED those apocryphal books that even the Jews never accepted as canonical. So many fallacies, so little space and time...
I would strongly encourage studying the canonization of scripture my friend!
@@jonathandelarosa8333even Jesus says that there is an issue with traditions of men being upheld over the laws of the Father
@@UhOhSpeghettio There is a problem with that, but tradition its self is not bad. the way your local church looks is a result of tradition. We look to elders and those who came before us for help understanding the scripture. Baptist, Lutherans, Presbyterians, so on so forth, have a rich history worth looking into. The issue is with putting tradition on the same level as scripture.
Why do Catholics never mention Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
_Believe in your heart_
What does it mean to believe? Just being convinced that he exists? Or does he require us to do more?
Salvation is guaranteed regardless of anything we may do or not do in the future??? What a deal!
Right there we are told faith goes in line with works! It is extremely important that we believe in our hearts otherwise our works are dead, but when they are in line with each other, he says it there, by your heart your salvational works are justified. Professing your faith by mouth is a work :)
And why do calvinists never mention matthew 7 ? “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Or James 2 ? "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [f]your works, and I will show you my faith by [g]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [h]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [i]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [j]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
I'm an ex protestant who studied his Bible more deeper and found that the most fair and balanced interpretation of the scriptures can be found in the roman catholic church. God bless my protestants brothers !
Not true....most Catholics, not all. I am born again and I am Christian but a Catholic, I just don't believe most of the extras. We are all saved by grace thru faith, no sacraments or works required.
Do you see that a man is justified by means of works, and not by faith alone?
James 2:24
Fools
Works proves your faith but does not justify you
@@JohnB-dt7pm But James literally uses the phrase "is justified..." in the verse quoted above.
Justified by man not by GOD. Works = justified by man. Faith without works = justified by GOD
works are a product of faith, that's why James said "faith without works is dead". but you will not be saved without faith, because you cannot work your way into heaven.
Catholics don't do good works to get saved. We are saved by grace through faith apart from works of the law (Romans 3:28). However, once we are justified and established in the grace of Christ, our works have meritorious value. This must be the case because those works are done in and through Christ - "it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me." In Catholic theology, works done after one is justified by faith and established in the grace of Christ are said to increase our justification - that is, we are just and become all the more just. This is what James means when he says, "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" - James 2:24. As an analogy, good works don't turn on the light switch of justification. However, once the light is on, the light gets even brighter as we continue living the Christian life - and persevering in good works.
I would say that our justification does not increase, for once we are justified by grace, we are justified. James was talking about how our justification is known to the world. I like your analogy of the light switch and the light though. We are called to be a light unto the world, and our works are indeed how we shine that light into the darkness. If there are no figs coming from the fig tree, then you know it is dead and no longer a fig tree. Thus, faith without works is dead. What you referred to as an increase in justification, I would call that sanctification. The justification part is done.
"It is finished." - John 19:30
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
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How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
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“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
@@Mr.10X.so, the “Church” denies the Bible, got it.
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@@KFish-bw1om Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I think saying that you would call that sanctification is largely correct. This is because Catholic theology includes sanctification in justification.
The Council of Trent said, " Justification itself, which is not remission of sins merely, but also the sanctification and renewal of the inward man"
I would offer an objection on James 2. I don't believe James is talking about merely showing our justification (making it known to the world). If so, James would use a word more like vindication. Instead, he uses the word justification - the same Greek word Paul uses to describe our justification before God. Moreover, the context is salvific - "Can his faith save him?".
This pastor knows nothing about Catholicism.. he even added words that were never said..
What did he say that was wrong? NOTHING
@@kenbecht6892 literally everything lol
What the pastor has done is define Roman Catholic words - and you don’t like the definitions.
Question for you. Have you read the entire Bible through - all 66 books?
My personal impression is that he pastor is trying to recruit(from Catholics) converts by keep on pointing the Catholics are wrong in their doctrine. The Catholic is bringing people to Christ and showing the way. Intitially I thought the pastor is right and made more sense.
How many protestant/Christian groups are there now, I followed the teaching of Pastor and found something is not correct in his interpretations what then? I establish my own sect/congregation!?
Yes. That's what the protestant does. Disagree with your current protestors? Simply walk away and start your own misguided sect. And on and on it goes.
So, you understand the theological incoherence of Protestantism. There you have it!
Exactly. Anyone can become a “pastor” on the internet and start their own brand. Amazing how much time they spend studying the Catholic Church. Hard to believe how they find time to setup the rock concert stage at their churches.
The catholic church was founded by Jesus, the protestant churches by mortal sinners. Where would you rather be? The church founded by Jesus or by a mortal sinner? Jesus promised he'll be with us till the end of times when he gave the kingdom keys to Peter and that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church. I believe Jesus, not some "pastor" who self appointed himself as his own pope and bashes the church Jesus founded.
Sola Scriptura is the biggest Protestant fallacy of all time, the canon of scripture was built by Catholics through word of mouth. Protestantism lacks tradition and that’s why it doesn’t hold up, the church predates the Bible’s canonization. Only through sacred tradition do we know what scripture is. I challenge this man to debate Trent Horn or even Scott Hahn on these issues.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON HAS TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2)
(110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.”
(Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
(253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Throne of Peter, the chief church, the Romans.” (Epistle 54:14) “One Church, one chair… another altar cannot be set up, nor a new priesthood… whoever gathers elsewhere scatters.” (Letters 43[40]:5)
“He that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” (Mathew 12:30)
“Serpent (Satan) invented heresies and schisms
he might corrupt the truth.”
(De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate 1, 3-4)
(e.g., orthodox, protestants etc.,)
Revisionist history. Gotta read the bible more, man
Iv been to so many Protestant churches all I found is a pop concert and a motivational speech been going to a Catholic Church I feel god I hear the words of god it’s so much deeper if Protestants want ppl to come quit with the gimmicky pop concerts and bring back actual worship
Amen. Prots sell feel good feelings. Catholicism teaches the truths of the ancient church.
You probably didn’t go to Protestant Churches then. And it’s clear you don’t understand it. There are many new independent churches like that and very few are still orthodox. Sounds like you went to prosperity gospel church eggy are not Protestant at all. I have been to churches that do sing in worship for 30 minutes or so but have expository preaching of the word of God and still celebrating the Eucharist. And then there are more historical Protestant churches that are more traditional with a higher view of tradition. We are all still brothers and love each other regardless of our secondary differences.
But what you just said does not sound Protestant at all. Also, I’m not Roman catholic but I admire some of the Catholics views since they still teach orthodox Christianity. But have added too many medieval believes not supported historically or biblically
They have lightshows because their faith is based on "feelings".
We have actual worship, piety, and above all, Jesus Christ Himself in the Eucharist.
@@MystoRobot you are talking about a minority of Christians.
Thanks to Catholic Church for preserving the gospel and tradition
Hallelujah! Been waiting for another video like this. It’s been a while. God bless you Jeff 🙏🏾
Jeff was speaking to an obviously wonderful family. If all American (and Canadian, since that is where I'm from) families were like this one, our nations would be in a much better situation.
Yes your leader is as bad as ours sorry about that but Jesus Christ will RULE. Satan knows his time is short
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter”
(Matthew 7:21)
I especially love these inter-Christian debates because there are always so many new perspectives to consider. With a typical atheist/liberal, you can pretty much anticipate where the disagreement comes from. I wish you would do more debates between Christians of different denominations.
Jesus help me. I’m trying to balance everything on my own, but Lord I feel like I’m failing miserably as a single mother. Both sons are special needs I’m so overwhelmed trying to support them on my own. I’m struggling to make ends meet, to pay bills, and to put food on the table for my children. Jesus guide me and give me strength. I have faith you will carry me through this difficult time.❤️
Sister in Christ! What I see as I’m reading through your comment is I, I ,I and there is where the challenges stem.
The only I that should come out of our mouth is I SURRENDER lord here are my challenges and name them and I trust that you are the almighty God whom will never leave me nor forsake me! Bring up his promises as you pray. It is valid to remind him because that shows him your faith and you will see God working.
Remember without faith it’s impossible to please God.
He is listening but he is waiting for you to surrender.
Invite the Holy Spirit to every prayer, worship and to reading of the word.
I pray this blesses you in Jesus name 🙏🏼
Lay your troubles at the feet of Jesus and leave them there, He'll take care of them. If you keep trying to hold on to them and do it yourself, Jesus will keep letting you and nothing will change. I'll be praying for you, sister.
Stop focusing on yourself and focus on Jesus.
I’ve seen your comment else where many times, at this point one is gotta think your looking for attention and sympathy other than prayers.
@@LCD04 You may be correct OR she could be reaching out for as much prayer and advice as possible. Either way, it's our job as believers to pray for her.
Ok, this Pastor is misinterpreting Ephesians. Let’s look at the verse.
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God- 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
1. The beginning of verse 9 says it’s not because of works. The issue that Protestants have, is that Paul isn’t talking about good works here. Paul mentions good works in verse 10. In verse 9, the works that Paul is speaking about are the Jewish works of the law.
So no, we can do nothing to please God without grace.
This is what happens when you read more than just the single line proof text 🤣
Yep, works of the *MOSAIC* law.
It's so simple... it's embarrassing to see them get stuck on something so simple.
God truly blinds those who turn their backs on His Church.
@@MystoRobot Remember....protestants are the bible experts and we Catholics don't even read the bible apparently!
@@MystoRobot As it was stated by the saints (most likely St. Thomas Aquinas: pray for us!): the stain of sin darkens the intellect. The greater the sin, the harsher the stain on the intellect.
@@jimmyMc1971 Where in those verses does it say Paul is talking about works of the law? Can you also explain how the works of law differ from good works? Give examples.
Pay attention to the preposition:
“Work out your salvation”
- not “work for your salvation”
- not “work into your salvation”
- not “work on your salvation”
- not “work to make your salvation secure”
A believer already has “your salvation,” so it should be out-worked and made effective through his life in cooperation with (next verse) God’s work in his life.
@@ricksonora6656 so what happens to the believers salvation when he doesn't work it out?
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@ Nothing. Analogy; Your father bought a mine. He paid an infinite price for it. Then he gave it to you. Now that it is yours, it is up to you to work the mine and extract the value from it. Failing to out-work the value does not destroy the mine.
@@ricksonora6656 oh cool! Then I'll just sit back and keep the mine without the work.
@ Ok, that ungrateful attitude is fine if you want to draw a loving Father’s chastisement, which can go as far as sickness and premature death. And when you get to heaven and look back, you’ll weep for all the rewards you lost and all the loved ones who went to hell because you did nothing with what you had.
On the other hand, you might prove that “it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure” does not apply to you because you were a false convert.
Once saved always saved is a very dangerous false doctrine.
Hebrews 10:26-27
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."
I believe that is talking about people who have heard of Jesus but choose to reject him and keep sining. All sin is deliberate, it’s just we repent of it instead of trying to justify it or ignore it.
Very dangerous doctrine that is going to lead a lot of ppl straight to the flames
@gabesgaming7064 if it meant what you were saying that's what it would say. It says sin specifically.
@@TheGentileGabe You can sin unknowingly especially if you don’t know the law or have been taught it’s done away with. You don’t even know what right from wrong good or evil or the difference between sin and righteousness
Are you telling me that Jesus, the God-Man was beaten to death, humiliated, and died naked on a cross for a salvation that we can lose??? He died to give us eternal salvation. Not temporary salvation.
Why doesn’t the title say Calvinist vs Roman Catholic 🤔
Yes! Get the goofy calvanism out and focus on the gospel, not tulip.
@@baabaadoo Mmm, where's tulip in the Bible?
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392 my point precisely. Tulip's doctrine isn't biblical
Why doesn’t it say two fans of fictional books debate the inner workings of their favorite fairytale book?
@@Oskyosky2009 Kind of like when Sam Harris & Richard Dawkins are talking to each other, isn't that right?
If eating Christ's flesh and drinking His blood meant just believing that He was the Messiah, I don't think that would be a hard teaching for the disciples to accept. It would, however, be a very difficult teaching for them to accept that they needed to actually drink His blood since that is forbidden in mosaic law.
What else I find hard to believe is how the early Church got this whole Eucharist idea and they didn't seem to view it the way Jeff Durbin does. There isn't much historical evidence for this particular interpretation of the gospel.
@dman7668 the Last Supper/Eucharist as given by Jesus was Him sharing bread and wine to do In Remembrance, not to rip His flesh out and stab Himself to pour out Hia blood. Much in scripture is Symbolic.
@@joinjen3854would you agree that 90% of the time Christ speaks in parable.. but when he says: “verily verily I say to you” that he is speaking literally?
@@cooldude71120 I think Christ did both. Believers have the Holy Spirit. Ask Him, not fallen people.
@@joinjen3854 my specific question is when Christ begins a conversation by saying: “verily verily” .. that he is not speaking in a parable in that moment?
❤ Thanks. Every time I listen to Jeff I learn something new.
I learn Jeff isn't very good at defending Sola fide or Sola scripture.
@@dman7668 Well no one can defend both because Sola Scriptura disproves Sola Fide 🤣
@@dman7668or defending the existence of a god. But hey, he keeps trying and I’ll give him credit for that.
Like what ??? that he is nothing but a circle talker ??? he interrupts the guy just to put him down over and over again … first the Bible was given by the Catholic Church read the early church fathers and your Protestant garbage will crumble… trying to bring the true church to Protestants is like throwing perls in front of pigs … they are just as narrow minded as the Pharisees that demanded the crucifixion of Jesus
Catholics did pretty well. However, it's important that he debates with catholic apologists not just random simple Catholics. Then you will see that your arguments wont stand 😊
This is awesome because God is gloried! Great job Jeff!
This pastor shows us why we need the church, tradition and magisterium to understand the bible. The word of God communicated by scripture needs the analogical language of the body to complete the message.
I’m not sure what this means exactly, it sounds lofty. The Bible is sufficient and we have everything we need in scripture
Wow, that could truly be a life changing conversation. Bless you brother for doing this important work- so many don't realize what an important mission field is held in roman catholicism.
There is no Roman Catholicism. It's just Catholicism. That was just an insult started by Anglicans and we Catholics need to correct it like the N word.
@@dman7668 where, pray tell, do we find the Vatican?
@StrollinSodaPops
The Catholic Church in the Vatican doesn't call itself the "Roman Catholic Church". It's just the Catholic Church.
@@StrollinSodaPopsWhere, pray tell, do we find the Eastern catholic churches?
Catholicism is the truth my friend, may you wake up from your sola scriptura heresy. A revelation Luther had while takin a dump, claiming to be a revelation of the holy spirit lol
Salvation is GOD determined, GOD purchased, GOD applied and GOD secured.
From start to finish, salvation is of the LORD alone.
Those are your words. If you’re a sola scriptura Protester you need to quote only the Bible… none of this commentary is acceptable for you
Amen!
@@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077 Sola Scriptura never historically meant Solo Scripture. So Calvin, Luther, and the Church of England all kept church tradition. It's rather that Scripture is the sole infallible Word of God. The Reformation was never about starting a new church, but about going back to what was lost. Sure, modern evangelicals take it too far, but they don't represent the Reformers now do they?
Colossians 1:24
@@ihiohoh2708 if everything else if falliable then the bible itself cannot be used since "falliable" men determined canon
My head is spinning from all of the mental gymnastics going on........
Also I believe that when there is pride, people are not taking it in. Just seeking the next argument to win. Ever word that Pastor Jess has said from scripture, there was not a moment pause to think. It was just when one was answered, we are going to bring up another rebuttle. Not sure their hearts are truly seeking Truth.
I agree
They are seeking "traditions of men"
It was more of a discussion :) it was a good conversation to get to know how individuals think. No pride here.
Appreciate the cordial nature of Jeff Durbin. These conversations really show how important Sola Scriptura really is. Jeff responded so quickly with scripture.
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
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How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
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“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
A simple way of putting it is:
• All salvation comes from Christ
• Christ has linked salvation to Baptism
• Baptism is the entryway into the Church
• Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation
Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
Here's a quote right out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Study the Early Church Father's too..Google ( www.churchfathers.org ) and read for yourself.
I'll leave you more quotes below as well.. But read for yourself regarding this fact: I rely on our Blessed Lord's One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church guided by the Holy Spirit to provide me with All Truth (Not my "own opinion").
“Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
⬇️
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Early Church Father's:
Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes)
Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church)
St. Augustine:
"In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate."
St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology)
Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae)
Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi)
The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly.
@catholictruth102so what you are saying is that you don't believe the Bible...
@catholictruth102 so who is it that you say is a prophet that came after John the Baptist and Jesus?
As far as I know no one except false prophets like Muhammad and John Smith both of which burn in hell as we speak.
@catholictruth102 Paul was an evangelist, teacher, preacher, theologian, traveler, tentmaker, church- man, as well as missionary-all indicative of the extraordinary qualities of that strange man from Tarsus. But nowhere in the New Testament Scriptures is he called a prophet, though there are numerous references to prophets.
When will Jeff publicly debate someone like Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin?
he won't pick a fight he can't win
@@FrankRios2b He just throws out false accusations that further entrench his followers and avoids in-depth dialogue because Catholicism draws on the Living Blood of Jesus Christ. Our faith is so deep and is reflected in every line of Scripture .
Two other names to suggest: Dr Scott Hahn, who came out of Presbyterianism and Dr John Bersgma of St Paul Center. Both are professors at Steubanville University in Ohio
I'm not Catholic, but the lady is asking GREAT questions...l belive that all are called. And that salvation is for whom ever will!! And that is why we are called to preach the gospel that will lead to salvation to whom ever will accept the free gift of salvation and repent of their sins!! To those God gave the right to be called the children of the most high God!
A guy asked me why im not catholic anymore . I told him because i read the Bible.
Mathew 23:9. call no man on earth FATHER .................
This is a passage Protestants often take out of context. What nonsense.
1 Corinthians 4:15 “
Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.”
Well Paul said he became our Father after telling us the gospel…
There is only ONE verse in the Bible that says that, also says not to call anyone Master or teacher depending on the Bible you are reading, yet, there are multiple verses that show we can call men Father as Material Fathers or Spiritual Fathers. Luke 18,20 - Honor you Father and Mother (Material way) And Luke 16,24 - Father Abraham have mercy on me. (Spitirtual way)
There are plenty more where the bible shows we can have Spiritual Fathers Acts 7,1-2 and many more.
You don't take the whole Bible literatly, you need to know who is the writer talking to, where, about what and other aspects as well.
In that particular verse about not calling Father to other men, it's because he is talking to his disciples and telling them in other words to not call themselves Father, meaning they should not think they are better than anyone else nor they are less than anyone else. A man should not call himself
Master, Father, Pastor etc. That's why Catholics have apostolic succession. So Jesus is not prohibiting the use of the word Father because if you read the context we should not call ANYONE Father or Teacher even our parents or shool teachers. Because the Bible clearly says To not call ANYONE that.
Check out this show "The Journey Home" Channel at EWTN or look for SCOTT HAHN.
May the Lord guide you in your journey. 🙏
These silly interpretations of scripture are the reason for thousands of Protestant denominations all filled with little popes making Jesus their butler and source of entertainment.
I was born in Catholic but when I knew Jesus I n my family left catholic church now we are follower of Christ and focus on the word of God. 🙏🙌
Protestantism has 1000s of sects…Not until Martin Luther people started to become saved??? This is a load of BS. People really think it took 1500 years to become saved? Katholiki Eklisia is and was the one true universal church since Peter was appointed by Christ.
So for the first 1,500 years of Christianity no one went to heaven?
Jesus founded only one church mateo 16;18,19. So you l
Left the church of Jesús for one formed by men??? Can you show me with the Bible who formed your "church ".
Shalom! my thinking on purgatory is like entering an uncontaminated laboratory, just because you have a phd in bio chemistry or molecular science doesn't gain you instant access, but gives you a guarantee of access but you still need to be decontaminated to enter the lab. heaven is an uncontaminated lab for the good and we need to be purified before entering even if you are a pastor or a priest.
Yeshua has taken that upon himself
This 👆🏻by saying this you’re stating the work Jesus did in the cross wasn’t sufficient.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
Salvation thru FAITH ALONE. Where is this in the Bible? Here it is: James 2:24 ESV,
"You see that a person is JUSTIFIED by WORKS and NOT by FAITH ALONE."
Brother, you are saved by the grace of our father and your faith ONLY! This is it, many Christian are not BORN again and don’t even fully understand what does it mean ! Unfortunately, they called LORD, LORD BUT they never make our Lord Jesus their LORD !
You see they believe that by the work and being a good person they deserve salvation!
This is a big mistake and many truly believe that there are going to heaven!
But obviously they’re mistaken.
Only BY the Grace of put Father and our Faith in Jesus Christ your name will be seal in the book of life before you entry to the kingdom of heaven or you will be rejected.
What I am trying today say, if you not become as the child, you not going to entry to the Kingdom of Heaven ! What does it mean ? The up have to humble yourself as the small child, surrounded yourself fully to Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour! Make him Lord of Your LIFE !! Warship him truly and SERVE him !!! You have to deny yourself!! Love your God with everything what you got ! And love your neighbour like yourself!
If you do have a hates to one of ypur brother and you don’t want to forgive something then n your past to someone who did something bad to you THAN to you will not forgive our GOD and do not expect that you will find the presence of the GOD in your life ! You have to first must forgive TRULLY !!
If you LOVE your father, mother, kids more then Jesus Christ our saviour THEN our Father NEVER give you the access to his SON Jesus !! REMEMBER what did I say !!
I was rising up in Catholic Church but I don’t belong over there anyway and I was BORN again by the grace of our Father and I received the HOLY Spirit in one of the Baptised Church !!
Remember, in Catholic Church they come up with idea that Salvation is in sacraments and they cheat people with idolatry!! The Jesus is the Living GOD !! The is nothing to do the communion with every single Sunday Milion of Catholic people are taken and believe that this is Bread and Blood of Jesus - this is so wrong !
Jesus was teaching as that HE is The Bread of The Life ! Everyone who comes to him never gets hungry and those who believe in him never will get thirsty!
I really appreciate what you do Jeff. How you sit and reason with people according to the scriptures.
no reasoning was done here hahaha. Jeff is manipulating the conversation to get clicks. This is protestant bait content.
@@Browndog222 agree 💯
Under his own authority, which is why no Protestants agree.
And Jesus said read this in memory of me. Opps He said do this in remembrance of me. Is early church fathers. Long before the scriptures were even written.❤❤
God Bless you, I pray everyone reading this can be encouraged to read as much of the Church Fathers as they can, even start with a 15minute read of The Didache, a document from 50-75AD and have a look at what Early Christian's were instructed on upon joining the Faith. Warning: Non-Catholics will be shocked.
@@wilsonsclips_ Is it in the bible? was it commanded by Christ? All that you need to know is in scripture. Period.
@@thearborbarber So when you hear the name of the Virgin Mary, do you leap for joy and proclaim her as blessed amongst women?
@@wilsonsclips_ no I don’t. I think of the mother of Jesus. That’s it.
@@thearborbarber So you don't jump for joy or proclaim here as blessed. then you're a hypocrite based on your last comment of "Is it in the bible? was it commanded by Christ? All that you need to know is in scripture. Period"
You prove you don't follow the bible and dont believe everything you need to know is in scripture. You're acting outside of scripture and denying it's Sacred Truth... Why don't you believe the Bible is truly the Word of God?
@ApologiaStudios. You should have a conversation with the UA-camr Voice of Reason. He can answer just about any questions you may have about the Church's teachings.
A well informed Catholic will smoke a well informed Protestant every time. These are lay Catholics (not professional ministers) holding their own against this full-time professional Protestant pastor.
Catholics think they are the first Christians. Catholics added to the Bible, and to the words of Jesus. The catholics did to Jesus' Christianity, what the Pharisees did to Judaism. I still love them, and many do great things, but I couldn't be one. And to be truthful, their are many many protestants that will shred a Catholic. But to me it's not a war. I am neither Catholic, nor Protestant, but a follower of Jesus
To prove you wrong just read your bible😊
You are so right. After the first 4 seconds about purgatory I was wanting to teach this guy so bad. Regardless of wanting to correct his mistakes, I’m glad he is out there converting people to Christianity. Unfortunately I haven’t seen many posts saying anything similar.
Always appreciate the respect Jeff shows in these exchanges. Great example for how we all ought to engage on these matters. God bless.
Bull**** He has loved spreading lies to other faiths that disagree with his. He's a non yelling bigot.
Brothers and Sisters come home to the one true Church that Jesus Christ started ❤
Jesus started the church with the house of Israel, which became desolate a few years after the temple was destroyed, fulfilling Matthew 23:36, 38.
@soteriology400 what? The church of Jesus Christ became desolate, after the temple was destroyed. Show me Bible verse that says that. No, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His true Church has spread throughout the world by Apostles and believers since Pentecost. The true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ causes Satan and His demons to tremble, because they know that their Lord Jesus Christ said, the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. The true Church of Jesus Christ trusts God's Eternal Living Word 💯 and proclaims the true gospel of Christ and His Lordship over His Church (which is us the true born of the Holy Spirit children of God) who endure to the end not by our might nor by our power but by My Spirit says the LORD. Zechariah 4:6.
@@Jeremiah17910 I already gave the verses, Matthew 23:36, 38. This was fulfilled just a few years after the temple was destroyed.
@@soteriology400 The Jewish temple . . .
Jesus did not start the Catholic Church. The Church is the gathering of 2 or more who gather in his name. Catholic Church is a different version of a Pharasie
Catholicism believes in the holiness of God but denies His power. Im a living testimony, i read the catholic bible went to church for decades n i couldnt stop drinking
I sonehow got an NIV bible, read it for a year, got a powerful encounter with God, got delivered from alcohol
Joined a church that believed only in Jesus as the only mediator between God & man
That lady has a very good grasp of her faith. I'm proud to see someone like her that is able to articulate and to debate with confidence. Well done.
Props to her for articulating her erroneous views so well! 🎉
@@BlueDevilBrew Stick with the Church Fathers some of whom were disciples of the Apostles and many who became martyrs for Christ, NOT Luther & Calvin who arrived on the scene 1500 years later.
@@BlueDevilBrew Such as?
she has no guarantee that she is saved. she won't know if she had a saving faith until the end and even then she'll hae to undergo purgatory.
@Tayman47 purgatory is the purging of all sin when you go to heaven, if you're in purgatory you're then in heaven. No unclean thing shall enter heaven.
Why Jeff do not debate Trent Horn or other catholic apologists?.I think Jeff would be schooled as a child.
I don't know who these gentlmen are you mention here and while I think Jeff did a bad job in many points in this debate. I think you would be surprised how he would do. I used to debate with Phd priests at Notre Dame because my seminary had a relationship with them and it was all in good fun but eye opening for both sides. We knew catholic theology very well, and to add to it I was a former Catholic. We left the professors stumped several times. You see many of them push more philosophy and tradition of the church fathers and church history, rather than deep biblical studies and only require one of either greek or hebrew. We had to do both Greek and Hebrew and while we studied church history, and philosophy, it wasn't our focus.
Now I don't know what training Jeff has but he strikes me as guy who would be very prepared and do well enough to surprise you.
@@Revelation14verse7 Weak catholic becomes Protestant and strong Protestant becomes catholic .If no fullness of the faith in the Catholic Church then where in thousands of Protestant denominations?.
@@ed6601 Well, I would simply tell you put your faith in God, the redemption of Christ, through the sanctification of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Look to God, not a building... Church simply means in greek the ecclesia or the assembly of called ones. God's elect are those He has called, but many don't answer. Keep growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, His Spirit will lead you.
@@Revelation14verse7Which spirit leads in to thousands of the denominations?.You are right about ecclesial,but Jesus said be one as I and the Father are one and we are not one church.Sad,because of arrogance and prejudice is dividing us.
@@ed6601lol. Sure bro. Sure is fun to just make stuff up with no evidence.
Jeff Durbin would never debate the likes of Trent Horn or Suan Sonna.
The New Testament tells us to preach the Gospel. To everyone! Repent and go straight to Jesus!
True or Sam shamoun or even Tim Staple
That's because Jeff Durban would get smoked. You can gaslight the uninformed but not the well studied. Protestantism is basically making the Bible say whatever they want it to say. I was Protestant for 23 years. Now I regret every day that I was ever there.
Honestly, I can't stand Protestantism so much that I would rather be a Buddhist or Hindu than a Protestant. What a fake bunch of trash.
These videos are so helpful.
As a protestant, I am so tired hearing us always criticize Catholics, there are bigger issues in this world than these debates, Catholics love Christ just as we do, Jesus Forbids Sectarianism
Mark 9:38-39 38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterwards speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against [a]us is on [b]our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
We forget that in the book of John Jesus talks profoundly on the unity of the church. John 17:22-23; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 4:1-6, 13.
Do we honestly all think that on judgment day Jesus will say What denomination where you, or what practice or tradition you followed, Come on brothers and sisters this is absurd. There are wolfs in sheep clothing, in all denominations churches and in the vatican. Just as well as people who love Christ in the protestant church and the roman catholic church.
Please for the love of Christ who is all Holy, lets stop this way of thinking. Blessings all
Couldn’t agree more, there is a bigger evil in this world. We need to WAKE UP!
Thank you, very well said. We are supposed to love one another. These street preachers/haranguers forget that.
NO ISSUE IS OF MORE IMPORT...
Still have met a Protestant than can explain to me why Martín Luther died a catholic. Why did they eliminate books from the Bible. At the end of the day, the reformation was political not theological.
As a Protestant, why do I care if Luther considered himself Catholic when he died? If you read the theses, he obviously had some major theological/Bible issues with the teachings of the Catholic Church. You heard a smattering of those from Jeff in this video. Future reformers built on those theological issues using the Bible as their standard of truth.
Thank you for sharing this video and confirming & solidifying my decision to convert to Catholicism after a life of being Protestant. All these type of videos do is either make converts more confident in their decision to convert to the one true Church OR cause confusion and division amongst Gods people. As a pastor, where is the honor in this? Why are you spending your time, energy and focus on this? How is this making you holier and closer to God? Ask any Protestant who converted to Catholicism later in life, and they would agree that your words only make their new beliefs stronger. So, the purpose of this video has accomplished 2 things. 1.) you’ve made converts & devout Catholics become stronger in their faith (which if I were to guess, is the opposite of your purpose & intention, so jokes on you 😬) or 2.) you have caused further rifts & division amongst believers, which is the opposite of what the Lord wants for you and for His Kingdom and has aligned you more with that of the enemy’s purpose. Either way, it’s not good bro. It’s not how a man of God should be using the time God has given him here on earth, it’s tearing apart the Kingdom instead of building it and UNITING it. I believe your heart is in the right place but what are your true intentions? Are you doing this bc you believe it’s a mission from God to somehow ‘save’ Catholics from their so called wrong beliefs bc you genuinely care about their souls? Or have you made this a personal mission to prove your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong? I’ve been there. I’ve worn these blinders of pride before and it got me nowhere except on my knees and incredibly humbled before Almighty God. He removed the scales from my eyes and stripped me of the lies and Protestant pride. There’s so much more that you do not yet know. The things you think you know about the Catholic faith are being seen through a lens. Maybe someday, you will receive a new lens so that you may see the whole Truth. For me, it was through great suffering that allowed me to see through that new lens but I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anyone in order to see it, but sometimes it’s what it takes. Jesus came to rescue us from Hell and eternal damnation, but we still must walk through the fire & be refined, not as a punishment (bc Jesus took that punishment) but as a way for us to truly become Christ like and receive a crown of glory. Christs death on the cross wasn’t our free ticket to heaven, it was an invitation to follow Him to the cross, our own cross, using HIS strength to get us there and trusting He will use our pain for an eternal purpose, for our OWN good. Purgatory is not a punishment, it is a gift. Nobody in purgatory is going to hell. It is a road to heaven. It is a continuation of the sanctification we should be living out on earth. God is outside of space & time, that is why we display the crucifix. When you say you follow Jesus? Are you following Him in the here and now? Post resurrection? Or are you following Him throughout scripture? Are you following Him to the cross? are you letting Him come alongside you and take you to your own crosses of your life and once you get there, and you face yourself, your true sinful self and you realize what you deserve bc of that sin, and its causes you fear & trembling and you feel like it’s the end, the end of yourself and there’s nothing but death in front of you but than you look up, and you see Christ up on that cross , in your place? And than you realize that’s it’s suffering that leads to salvation. That’s what it truly means to follow Christ. Jesus suffered, died, went to hell and went to be with the Father, yet never needed refinement. And because of what He did for us, we do not have to face death or experience Hell, and we get to be with the Father in heaven but we must first be refined and that must be done through suffering. Not necessarily as worldly suffering, but the kind of internal suffering when you look at your own sin and the consequences of that sin, so that you can work out your own salvation through fear and trembling, for it is God who is at work within you, so you may be without blame, without reproof. This kind of suffering should be the kind we welcome, We should want to imitate Christ in this way, bc it’s the only way to journey to truly holiness. Jesus didn’t die to send us to heaven only if we believed in Him, even the demons believe in Him. He died to forgive us of our sins, to free us from the grip of the enemy, so that we would be ABLE to make this journey of suffering and sanctification with Him that leads to our salvation. He died to make a WAY for us to go to heaven, despite our sin. Would you feel right or WANT to one day stand before the almighty God of the Universe without first taking this painfully beautiful, grace filled, courageous, & glorious journey? Would you feel right taking your seat at the table with your Father before becoming ALL that He has created you to be?
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Brother you wrote so much, you allowed your emotions to get the best of you. It was hard to follow some things because you went too many places at once. Consider expressing yourself in a better fashion, so more people could follow.
When it comes to your comment against him, do you the know the guy and his works? How do you know that this is all he does? No Christian is called to preach or debate in the streets alone. I was converted 10 years ago, after my faith in Christ increased after the passing of my father. He showed me His love through suffering, and ever since then we have walked together. My faith has grown and I've learned much of the secondary theology , apart from the practical work. My protestant brother is emphasizing some subjects, that doesn't determine all he is in the eyes of God. We can sit here and ignore Paul's plead to avoid pointless debates and argument. The reality is that there is a very real separation in the theology of the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant Church. I just love it when the Catholics claim their church is the real church of God. I have never heard a Protestant state that we have the real church, because the real church of Christ is formed by all who are His true disciples. Both sides have ween wrong in history and in modern times. However is foolish how much you jumped from one system of theology to the next one. Where was you foundation? Did you pretend that you were a protestant all this time, and suddenly jumped to the Roman faith? I've heard PLENTY of testimonies of Catholics converting to the Protestant faith. Mind you most of these people understand the difference in theology, they didn't shift because someone's word scratched them wrong way.
.....and you have issues with this pastor speaking scriptural truth yet follow a church that CREATED purgatory" to raise funds for itself. LOL
@@Dale-xm7bs on who’s authority/interpretation is he speaking truth? Is own interpretation? His pastor growing up? The head of his denomination? How do we know our interpretation of The Word is truth and not based on our own perception, upbringing, experiences or other peoples interpretation, that may or may not have had proper discernment to know whether or not it is the true interpretation? Also, not sure what century you are living in, but the Church does not accept funds for any kind of indulgences or people in purgatory…. they do however accept prayers or have Masses read for those in purgatory and we can offer up our own sufferings for them and for all sinners of the world. To believe that ‘accepting Jesus’ is enough to purify your soul and make you become like God but not being willing to walk through the refining fires of sanctification and being humbled enough to recognize we need so much more wisdom & understanding about the mysteries of God, than your soul is in grave danger. simply believing in Jesus will not make you holy & perfect enough to stand beside Him in heaven one day. You have to be willing to take the next step and work on becoming more holy by allowing Him to do that through and in you. Being so prideful to think you know it all and you are already saved but being unwilling to take a deeper look into your salvation is a dead end road. Even with thousands of years of testimonies, teachings and apparitions God has created through the Church, I still realize I have so much more to learn and discover about my own salvation and that’s what keeps us from growing comfortable in our sin and allows us to grow closer to God and further from this World.
@@robertosantibanez I converted bc God led me to the Truth. Plain and simple. The disdain I used to have for Catholicism was more than you know. It was my pride that kept me from digging deeper into what I did not know. It was being humbled by God that led me to the Church. are there true disciples within Protestants and Catholics and ones who are not true followers on both sides? Absolutely. But that doesn’t change the fact that God intended to have one universal church and He remains faithful to that Church to this day, even with all its historical flaws. God is not bound by the Church, but we are called to be bound to it, bc we are supposed to be bound together in one church, not dividing and separating ourselves from one another every time there is conflict.
Quotes scripture and then says,, "As a Roman Catholic you don't believe that." It is not a very good idea to assert what the other person believes. This is straw manning your opponent. First find out what they actually believe instead of just going off what you may have heard from anti-catholics.
He must have contrasted the Scripute with a particular practice in the Catholic to make such a broad conclusion. Can point it out?