This is Where the BMW M3 Peaked? Ex Stig Explains
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BMW have made some of the best driver's cars the world has ever seen, and the M3 CSL is up there with the very best of the best. The one thing that always held it back though was the SMG semi-automatic gearbox, leaving M car fans pining for a manual gearbox. Thanks to the guys at EverythingM, their prayers have been answered...
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If you play the video on mute, it feels just like the stig is reviewing it. 😂
😂
Took me a second. Bravo.
Just wondering what music track he would have chosen for the lap
@@icebearg2072 The Archers on Radio 4
It wouldn't be the real Stig experience without the typical out-of-place music playing while he's driving.
"Who am I to express an opinion?" The Stig. *The* Stig. That's who. A living driving legend.
Also a character who famously never expressed an opinion. Or anything else for that matter.
Except all the times Jeremy stated the Stig's opinion on a car. Or noted "the Stig said he reckoned he could get another second off". Or etc ;)
“They don’t make them like this anymore” that line lives rent free in my heads
E90 series absolute favorite, E46 legendary timeless design in my opinion, anywho BMW groupie all the way
I felt like the e90s were really starting to show their weight. But I still agree, all the E series cars were amazing. I especially miss my e30s and e36 m cars…
Edit- all the E series cars “are” amazing
@@TheCloser1well said mate 🤙🏾 it’s hard to choose a specific one
I've owned five BMWs, the E46 is still my favourite to this day.
E92 is the best, followed by e46
Ben Collins doing road tests is excellent. Perhaps Ben and Chris Harris should do their own show. Would be quite happy watching them race each other
Ben, Chris and Tiff. There you go.
Ben is obviously a very, very good driver, but he's a fantastic presenter, so much so it kinda makes you think that him being The Stig for so many years wasn't fully utilising his talents.
Who would've thought I'd get to listen to the Stig waxing poetic about the joys of driving? You're right, Ben is as articulate a speaker as he is a driver.
The E46 CSL is a top 10 car for me. I’ll never forget watching the Top Gear episode when this debuted, that carbon intake and that sound it creates is just incredible.
i got a karbonius airbox for my m3 and it is glorious. my car already had a fairly loud exhaust and its completely drowned up by induction noise now. its addicting.
Ben is a natural presenter. What a waste to have him silent for all those years on that old show.
I’ll take the old CSL.
These road tests with Ben Collins are better than anything topgear has released in the last 10 years.
I do love Ben Collins, but Top Gear on UA-cam has been on fire for quite a while now. Their presenters are fantastic.
Nice to see Ben on the chanell again.
Agreed
Chanell 👜
Pretty much 1 of the main 3 hosts now that May seems to have left: Mike, Hammond and Ben Collins.
This is peak m3, peak BMW and peak automotive... Doesn't get better then this...
Gt3
This is a great video, but I really need to comment after hearing Ben saying that electric power steering doesn’t have an actual connection to the wheels. This is a fairly common misconception, and it isn’t the first time I’ve heard it in a big production value video on a UA-cam.
It absolutely does. You can easily have a dig around under a car that’s up on ramps to see that this is true. Both Hydraulic and electric power steering have a solid metal shaft connecting the steering wheel to the steering rack. The only difference is what is used to provide assistance and make the steering light enough for comfort at low speeds, either hydraulic pressure via a pump or an electric motor.
If it didn’t have an actual steering column at all it would be classed as steer-by-wire and at the moment, that is still exceedingly rare, the only significant production vehicle I am aware of with that is the Cyber Truck.
Thank you! I’m glad someone said this! True too.
Loving Ben's conciseness. No long into or outro, just getting straight to the point. Though the CSL is clearly a special one of the cars of his TG era, I'd happily watch him re-reviewing every single car he drove back in the day and tell a little anecdote about it and what it was like reviewing it back in the day.
From wikipedia: "The boot floor cover was made of lightweight fibre-board (not cardboard as infamously described on the Top Gear television show)"
You know what, let's keep calling it cardboard. It's funnier that way since it makes the German engineers grumble.
A proper driver driving a proper car!
So glad I lived in a time where I got to experience proper Top Gear. As bad as I miss it, glad to see y’all are still out here making enthusiast happy!
This is actual Top Gear
A point to note, the CSL did a 7.50 around the ring like 20 years ago.
Tyres have changed alot in that time, I’d be very interested to see how fast it would do with a modern set of cup 2’s
There were some amazing tires back then. They just didn't come stock on any cars of the time.
you have a valid point, I did not consider new tire tech..
I would definitely buy this manual CSL M3 over any other M3. Even though the modern M3's are faster, this in my opinion was peak BMW. In fact the modern M2 is more like the old M3 so I would actually pick a new M2 over a new M3.
most wanted fans rise up from 2005 would be great to see here
The Most Wanted car is even rarer, the M3 GTR
A true manual transmission makes almost every car more fun to drive. Of course, traffic and hills require more attention. But be one with the machine and drive! I don't know what watch Stig wears, but it looks great! Sorry, car and watch guy.
Seeing and hearing Ben like this makes me wish his character on Top Gear was a speaking role. He would have made a great fourth presenter.
Still baffles me that you film all these driving videos right on my doorstep in South Wales, reminds me how lucky I am to live here as a car enthusiast, hopefully I actually spot one of you guys filming one day!
Best generation BMW's this era. I still daily an e46 albeit a 330d touring, it is a manual though. Cant help but thinking Ben would have been a great presenter on Top Gear.
Some say, that he's now exploding with words and that DT has made the best decision of taking him in the channel
All we know is, he's not *The Stig* (anymore), but he is *Ben Collins!!*
Yea
*Still the Stig.
He's just making a cameo. He has his own channel and podcast. Plus still stunt driving for movies. Why would he want to join Drivetripe.
Don’t forget sim racing
Really love the way the E46 looks. Timeless design 👌
Ben's reviews are great! Glad to see him on the channel more.
Darragh is an absolute legend for making this happen. Also, I think they changed their name from Everything M3s to Everything M Power
Such a cool car. I used to work at a car wash back in the day and there was a customer who would bring his M3 to get it wan washed, I was lucky enough to wash it a couple times.
The steering on an sorted e46 is absolutely perfect, so lovely to see you playing in such an iconic vehicle Ben, love the video
Great to see ben as part of the drive tribe team. Now we need a road trip. All of you picking cars from a specific category and going for a long drive for an extended length episode.
Really liking Ben's presentation here. There's something really old school about his approach and brings me back to Tiff Needell's style.
More of this please! Fantastic review of a hidden gem from an expert. Thoroughly enjoyable and educational.
Loved that review and remids a lot the original CSL review at the show back in 2003 at the Island of Man.
I’ll never have the chance to buy a m3 let alone a CSL, but I have my 325ci e46 that I’m building in the same vein as manual CSL. Lighter, more torsional rigidity, downforce, grip, and revving to 8500 RPM.
And I’m aiming for a power to weight ratio as the standard e46 m3, which from a M54B25 naturally aspirated will be a challenge.
I know ben Isn’t a fan of car mods but for some of us, it’s the closest we can get to the absolute poster child cars.
As a kid I grew up in poverty and my next door neighbour had one of the first e46 coupes in the U.K. and I fell in love with it and it became a dream car of mine and now I get to live that dream every day. It’s parked right next to my back door and I can but smile every time I walk out my back door and see her.
I have both. Because of insane prices m3 is a liability, every bird stain, every dent, every rust spot is a chore. If it was legal to modify cars where I live I would have made M54 stroker with RaceHead engineering individual throttle bodies and their carbon airbox, 90% of M3 experience worry free.
Very nice tasteful mods. Just the extra that the car needs - but not too much.
They've only enhanced the experience further.
What's not to love. Ben driving and M3 CSL with a manual gearbox. SHOTGUN! 😄👍
I had the watered down one, a 2006 M3 E46 CS. It was in limited Interlagos Blue and it was a beauty! I should have kept it, I bought it for £13,500 in 2011
Great video, nice sample at 3:55 from our video of the 996 GT3 through Ireland!
Also at 10:10
My fav M3 - and yep, I would swap the box out in a heartbeat as well. A man can dream…
I think most everyone would take the manual csl, the e46 is by far one of BMWs best looking, sounding and driving cars they ever made.
More Ben please, he's a pleasure to listen to knows his stuff and engaging
Not to discount the point Ben’s making at 2:45, but EPAS systems are still physically connected to steering racks in a similar fashion to hydraulically assisted pumps. The only power steering setups that are actually, literally disconnected are steer-by-wire setups.
Again, the point still stands. EPAS setups are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to intuitive loading characteristics.
A Z4 M coupé was enough: better aerodynamics, better chassis, better weight balance, shorter wheelbase and even slightly lighter than the CSL without having made any lightening...
Always nice to see Ben behind the wheel the man must be one of the busiest in youtube these days.
Ben is fantastic at this sort of reviewing
I remember it like it was yesterday when the E46 M3 CSL debuted. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. It was indeed my ultimate dream car.
With that last question, it's the Australian E36 M3-R for me, it's my favorite 3 series shape and the M3-R is definitely a special one, only 15 were produced.
Definitely not the fastest M3 but that isn't what matters to me.
Ben is a natural.
Great review 😊 Csl for me all day long 👍
Last proper CSL , Ben great video 😊❤
We need to consider that the e46 CSL set that time on 20 years old tyre technology... I bet with todays rubber it is much faster
Great video Ben.
The induction sound of the ITB’s is amazing. What a car( even though it’s a money pit)
IMO E46 m3 csl is best m car and an absolute dream car
That’s a nice Bremont Supermarine Descent II on Bens wrist by the looks of it. 😍
Love Ben on here
I hope Top Gear at least offered Ben a job after the big 3 left.. this guy's an absolute natural in front of the camera. It's always great to see Ben on the channel, I hope he becomes a more permanent member of the team.
M3 CSL came from the factory with semi-slick tyres, unlike the Golf, the new M3 and the GT3... Speechless...
I don't care what Wilman said - Ben is a natural presenter...
Ben Collins and Chris Harris, now that's a show I would watch all day,
well, when Im not at work 😅
A much more appropriate comparison would be against M2C. I went from E46 M3 to M2C and it felt like a natural progression over the M3/M4 sized cars.
E46 M3 CSL for me. Pinnacle of BMW M cars !
Yes, i would go for the e46 CSL from the whole M3 line-up, for me the nr.1
On 2 the e36 M3 GT
On 3 the e92 M3 GTS
On 4 the e30 M3 evo (a very nice Cecotto or Winkelhock)
Actually give all 4 of them, the newer cars can go to the younger generations, i'm not interested.
I've come to love E21,E30,E36,E46,E9x and F30 🙂, But the M3 E46 does have a special "ring" to it.
Hands down to the best driver (my childhood idol Stig) and to the best BMW ever made!!🙏🙏🙏
To answer your question Sir Stig. If I had a £100,000 pounds to spend on any M3 of my choice? A M3 CSL e46, in grey….all day long!!
5:19 yeah.. gotta say, I like this mechanic's vibe WAAYY better than DDE's recently fired one 😂😂
I love this car. Too bad I blew the vanos rod bearings several times. Did 5 years of heavy tracking. It does need maintenance! The small amount of aerodynamics really makes the car feel planted versus the usual e46 m3
who does the production on these drivetribe videos? quality is top tier! 🙏🏼
For $100k it would really depend. If i already have a daily, then I'd definitely do the CSL. Its a piece of automotive history that you can actually drive to the limit which is priceless. Not to mention the money spent would only appreciate over time.
One for the dream car garage!😍
0:50 to say the M3 CSL had 50% more downforce than the standard E46 M3 is hilarious because Auto Motor und Sport tested the M3 CSL to have 1Kg lift at the front and 10Kg lift at the rear at 200Km/h. That was OK back in the day because the standard E46 M3 had even more lift but no reason to speak of actual downforce.
I'm fairly sure the electric power steering is connected to the wheels. This doesn't have steer by wire.
I believe that the electric part is the assistance. The electric motors reduce the weight and alter the feel based on the speed, steering angle and other metrics.
Hydraulics are seen as being better as they feel more natural because there is no manual manipulation.
Black Stig Perry , Another Awesome Top Gear Memory 💯💯🙏🙏
Csl for sure...i love my e46 m3...white.. black leather..6spd..glorious
I’d love a CSL. Simple more elegant look. Don’t get me wrong, wouldn’t say no to a G80 or G81 either. I’m currently in a G87 M2 (which I love) and it’s nearly as big as a G80 - same platform. It feels big
I’ve always wondered about the CSL lap time improvement over the standard e46 m3 and specifically how much was down to the cup tyres in tests over the old PS2s.
I'd buy two unmodified E46 M3s coupes that were well looked after with low kms. One I would keep as a pristine unmolested original. The other I would trick up and modify to the max so that it would be better than any CSL.
YESS!!! He is officially presenting for DRIVETRIBE¨! My man.. my Stiggy!
ofc Id take home this M3 CSL.. its beautiful
Peak M car. Its the right blend of analog and digital. Yes the newer M3s/M4s are on another stratosphere in terms of power and tech, but they don't have the organic, visceral feel of the E46. Which would I choose? The E46, of course. I own one!
it's scary how my favourite cars are also ben's favourite cars
NGL, the SMG is great, have had both, and it makes it a more complete car. Yes you're more engaged, but I just think the SMG compliments the standard seats better.
BMW's electric steering do, in fact have a physical connection. It's the power steering that is electricity assisted instead of hydraulic assisted. Wonder what he got "steer by wire" from.
More of Ben Collins please
The E46CSL for 100k yes please. Worth every penny.
M3 CSL for me. I think that will go up in value a lot investment wise.
Great cars and all the better for having a manual gearbox conversion.
I dont need Carly to figure out something's wrong with BMW!!
I love Stig collaborating with many YT'ers!! Great to see him around!
I would take modern M3 Touring just because I bet this CSL needs much attention regarding maintenance, also I have the F80 and love to play with that thing ;) But If I had the time and money for sure this CSL would be in my garage!
Lol the Inheritance Machine theme song at the end
I purchased my 04 M3 in 2007 with 39k on it. I still own it and is now at 95k with CSL bits. 6 speed swap will happen but waiting on the SMG to die...
Best M3 of all time is the E36 Euro spec. The 3.2-liter S52 B32 engine was the genesis for the McLaren F1.
Such an hard one to answer. To look at I would have a E30 M3 EVO III, for back road drive probably the E46 M3 CSL, for the noise and looks E92 M3 and for the speed and comfort the F32 M3 Comp or G30 M3 Touring
The E46 is sweet handling, even a 3 liter N/A or 3 liter diesel
I love the watch, Bremont Supermarine Descent I think.
Would take that M3 CSL in a heartbeat. Feel like the soul has been getting weaker with the newer M3s.
That's because they arent real M cars. BMW has bastardized their own heritage. X7M says everything I need to say.
I would like an e46 touring that has been M3 swapped. Best of both worlds
I'd buy it for the sound alone! And just like the cars from that era, epic car shows have disappeared.
Absolutely love the CSL, However... I would have to throw a rotrex traction drive supercharger on it. Just for the noise and the wow factor when the peddle gets flattened 😂
Take home the e46 csl. The e46 m3 was the first car I fell in love with. Picked up an e92 m3 a decade later loved it. However would love to own an e46 m3 csl