I'm disappointed there was never a point where we Shephard break down where he/she snaps I feel it really would have driven home the mental and emotional of war
In final scene in Lair of the Shadow Broker where Liara comes to your cabin there's a dialogue option where Shepard admits he's full of doubt and has no idea how he'll make it. I loved that line, it added a lot of dept to Shepard's character, it was the first time you could admit you're just vulnerable. Shepard breaking down would be every interesting and emotional scene but even without it you could literally sense the dread of the situation in the galaxy in ME3
I agree. A scene where he - in the company of allies but presented with the impossible and no way out - just falls apart and loses his cool. Ranting and raving about how everybody always looks to him to fix their mess and he doesn't have the answers. That maybe if people had listened from the start, this wouldn't have fallen on him yet again and how maybe if they all die, it's their own damn fault! And then retreating to his quarters to brood where the love interest finds him or her and helps him through it, to find some comfort in their relationship and the things that matter in the end. And some topical follow up dialogue with each companion thereafter of you visit them. Missed opportunity. But that's what ME3 was, right? Missed Opportunity: The Game.
@@Aedrion- It's not a missed opportunity, because whether it's Paragon or Renegade Shepard it wouldn't fit the character. He's the commander of the Normandy, damn near a legendary figure that has connections to some of the most important people in the galaxy at that point. He is the one person who can't be seen to be having emotional or mental breakdowns more then anyone else, even in the company of friends. He's the rock that everyone else is connected to. He can't, for the sake of everyone around him, break like that. That's his cross to bear, and we can see it weigh heavily on him as the Reaper War drags on. It's a sight only we, the audience can see, because we are looking in from the outside. Lets not have Shepard go through what feels like obligatory mental breakdown scene everything apparently has to have now. He's a stronger person then that, hell, even dying didn't phase him that much.
@@mrbigglezworth42 Then have it happen to him in a solo scene. Where he gives a cool speech and retreats to his chambers and stares at himself in the mirror a little, trying to convince himself that he's doing his best. Emotion, feelings, doubts and fears humanise characters, makes them more than 'legendary captain' or 'leader of the whatever'. Titles are ultimately just titles, the meat of a character is in their inner workings, which is not explored enough in ME.
@OptiMystic8 Same here, dark black sense of humor can help in times of great stress. And i didnt feel bad for the bluebutts after finding out they were hiding protean tech all along to be more advanced than the others.
Think about it this way, perhaps Joker doesn't have much care for a sari anyway, you saw that PTSD soldier thing right? an asari ended up killing his sister.
I thought it was a great joke. But then again I don't like the Asari to much. They are the most technologically advanced race in the Galaxy, and it doesn't amount to sh__. The Salarians at least make up for what they lack in brute strength with clever tactics and espionage. Then we consider the Turians who like big guns, and the Krogan who don't even need guns. Granted I think it's the problem that they tell us how great the asari are, but never show it, versus every other race is shown to be awesome.
i still didnt think it was appropriate, how is a joke like that supposed to be funny seeing what happened in Thessia??? like seriously, i still didnt like it.
This little emotional scene really tears at my heart. But I really wish there was a scene in ME3 where Shepard just broke down under the stress and desperately needed someone to bring him back on his feet like how he did for the rest of his crew.
Agreed. I've been playing mostly paragon on the triology. I've been supporting my crewmates whenever they need. Damn, I even helped a krogan in love to get his asari chick. Someone giving it back to me would be really appreciated.
yup. It does annoy me how being brought back from the dead Shepard barely mentions it/gets freaked out by that fact. I dont care how hard-ass of a soldier you can be, dying and then being brought back to life and learning that you had in fact been dead at one point would shake ANYONE up.
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww I think the point it shows is that shepard is trying to keep a straight face for his crew, although in 3 in the liara romance and I think Tali but I may be wrong shepard shares in insecurities. although yes I have always wanted a scene of shepard alone in his cabin in me 3 after maybe thessia or something where he loses hope and starts crying. then he would get called to the war room where they find the cerberus location.
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww He probably felt like that, but he can't lose his cool in front of his team. He is the leader, the one everyone respects and he can't crack(though he comes quite close in ME3 when he loses Thessia). The nightmares are Shepard's true feelings, how he feels about the wars.
Watch the Samantha Traynor romance, in the scene after the last nightmare, Shepard gives the line that sounds as close as she gets to just breaking down completely.
I think it's silly how much people are arguing about Meer vs. Hale. I have my own preference, sure, but getting down to it, they are both very good voice actors. They each have their own strengths, and sort of have their own direction with Shepard. Just like each of us has molded Shepard in our own unique way.
This hits even more when you realise that the asari commando's dialogue going over shellsock on the Citadel implies that she meet Joker's sister. And she saw her die.
It took him a while, but Mark Meer really grew into the role. You can hear genuine anger when he's chastising Joker over the joke. Jennifer Hale sounds a mixture of mildly annoyed and sarcastic about it. What a subtle, but important difference.
You know what?...The Asari seriously screwed the galaxy by keeping the beacon to themselves. If they had shared it, the galaxy may have known about the Reapers and how to build the Crucible hundreds or even thousands of years in advance.
100nitrog disagree on some points. That beacon would have never teached much on the reapers. If it did then the asari of all people wouldve known about them. Somehow, all the asari got from it was technology and modern knowledge. Why ddint Vendetta just come out and tell them about the reapers? i have no fucking clue. It's probably an oversight by bioware
@@khalduras784 remember, Shepherd talked to the Prothean VI with the cipher from Feros, letting him speak Prothean. The VI probably did what Sigil did on Ilos and used that to translate to galactic basic. But the Asari didn't have that cipher
@@fireblast8972 neither Cerberus and they used it anyway... Even indoctrinated! Besides nowhere is stated that you need a cypher to use the beacon, it's purpose is to be used by other civilization so there's a way. And even if the Asaris can't do it they could've helped since the events of ME1 when Shepard talks about the beacon. So the most advanced civilization in the galaxy, huh? The Asaris screw up the whole galaxy just to have a few toys more than the rest and violating a law that the Asaris created-- to do not use Protheans artifacts without sharing the benefits with the galactic community.
@Cornelia Tbh though, its not his fault at all. I wouldnt really care. They could tell this from the beginning along with giving more resources for the crucible and crucible would have been done before they reached Thessia. Asari didnt want their dirty secret out and paid for it + what Joker said is stated pretty much by Matriach Aethyta so he's not alone, even some asari agree with him. It wasnt just a joke imo. It was actually a truthful examination of the situation. They have stranglehold on the XXX market and got too used to sending their young their AND forgot about what happens when someone challenges them. They got used to Commandos being feared but when Shepard slaughters them like butter when Reapers just slice through them - they have nothing to back up their might. Asari and Salarians are all about control and keeping others down. Also, those asari dying during Priority: Thessia died because of BioWare - I would allow them to retreat if I could because their presence was pointless.
This is one of the scenes where I genuinely think that Meer did a much better job that Hale. Hales is kind of whispery and quiet, but with Meer you could hear the frustration and anger about Thessia. Hale did a better job on ME1 and it was pretty close on ME2, but I really think Meer stepped it up and was the better VA in ME3. Both doing fantastic jobs respectively.
Meer people don't give him enough credit he did alot of voice work in this game he helped shape and voice acted how the vorcha, hanar, volus, and turians sounded. and he had the role of male shepard granted his acting as male shepard in ME1 was crappy but he did a more decent job in ME2. But in ME3 i believe he did a great job and i felt that he was actually better than Hale.
Like it or not, Meer is Shepard. If you don't like his voice work then you don't like Shepard. Hardly anyone played as femShep, Meer Shep has been the face of the game ever since it was announced and no amount of Legendary Edition revisionism will change that.
@@ajshdhenskaka two shepherds for a reason. can’t just completely disregard one because your biased towards another. i’ve known plenty of people who played femshep instead of broshep, played both and personally liked femshep more. everyone has opinions on which they prefer, regardless of gender both are equally shepherd and nothing changes that.
@@hotaru7238 the plenty of people you refer to is basically your imagination buddy, imaginary people, redditors mostly. Otherwise Everyone almost every gamer and even casuals knows Male Shep as the Main Hero. Not femshep. Also ME1, ME2 and ME3 had Male Shep as the Main guy, femshep was just a side option for rpg purposes.
To anyone who says that Mark Meer can't emote, this scene proves them wrong. He did an amazing job in ME3, and everyone just continues to laud Hale and ignore his performance. I'm really starting to hate Femshep fanboys.
Mark really gave it his all in ME3. I understand that he felt more robotic in the first 2, but in 3, he felt like a human being trying to fight a battle he couldn't win unlike what he was able to do before.
Basketball Man I don't have things against femshep but I do agree. Seeing all The femshep sin fan arts, her voice would seem more varied to natch her looks. But for maleshep, Mark and John Shepard are irreplaceable.
In fact, the roboticness of Meer's voice in 1 and 2 lent more to his performance in 3. His robotic character works especially well in default mode. Here's a guy who pulled himself up by his bootstraps on Earth, and then joined the Alliance, and then, on Akuze, loses his entire unit to a group of thresher maws for no other reason than the Illusive Man wanted to see what the maws could do. After that, it is easy to understand how he would be doing his best to shut off all but basic emotions. In 2, there are moments where Meer felt less robotic, but one needs to understand, Shepard just died, was brought back to life, and forced to work for the guys that killed his squad. It is not that difficult for one to imagine his emotional walls starting to crumble. Then we come to Mass Effect 3, and the full on Reaper invasion. It is difficult to see Shepard's emotional walls holding together against a force powerful enough that one weapon from one ship can take out an Alliance dreadnought in 3-4 shots, especially considering that this was his childhood home. Then it all comes to a head on Thessia. With that knowledge of his character, especially in default broshep mode, it is my humble opinion that Mark Meer did an amazing job across the board on all three games.
I thought any questions about Mark's acting ability would have been put well and truly to bed by Project Overlord. The barely contained rage in his voice at the end is chilling, especially from the stoic Shep we've come to know over the course of 2 games.
Paragon-Jennifer Renegade-Mark Argument done. Jennifer sounds best in paragon, as a renegade she just sounds like some high school teenager on her period and Mark sounds rather stiff and bored as paragon but as renegade it's like practically every awesome no-nonsense action hero out there.
You know what's fucked up about all of this? You later find out Joker's father and sister didn't survive on Tiptree, and that an Asari commando killed Joker's sister because she broke her leg and was whimpering from the pain, so the Asari killed her so she wouldn't give up their hiding spot to the husks.
Through an Asari commando on the Citadel who's in the hospital. You have to go back multiple times throughout the game to get the full story but it matches everything that Joker says, and the Asari in the hospital says the planet's name. Plus, the developers and creators confirmed the story.
This is the one scene I think Meer did better than Hale. While she sounds tired and depressed, BroShep sounds like he's literally moments away from a breakdown, and it's much more appropiate for the situation.
La Esmeralda There are plenty of times when Meer sounds significantly better than Hale. Listen to their lines when they think Grunt died in the Rachni Nest on Uttuku......
@@1215298 Gotta say in ME1-ME2 Hale was better. But in ME3 was Meer's. Especially during emotional times. Hale read her lines too fast. I still like her.
in this scene femshep just sounded bored and relaxed after losing thessia and it just felt like joker was yelling at her for no reason. in this scene male shepard you hear that he's frustrated, annoyed, angry, defeated, stressed the hell out. Hale is a great voice actor but i feel that IMO she is over praised for her role as femshep. yes she did a way better job in ME1 but i felt she never elevated higher than that and in ME3 she sounded pretty gruff like she was smoking too much.
I never really consider this a joke tbh more of a factual statement. Even the one asari in purgatory says as much. Too many asari dancing or doing other pointless things when there was a war going on.
Commander Shepard had just suffered his biggest defeat, lost the most advanced species from the galactic army he was forming, and also lost the information to finish the crucible. So a joke is not what he would want to hear just at that moment....
He didn't suffer his biggest defeat. The biggest defeat was when he landed on Earth to give up his ship to the Alliance instead of rallying the galaxy for the reapers. Also wasn't that "canonization"? Not everyone's Shepard is a diehard Liaramancer I would have laughed at the joke,also appreciate the fact Joker is trying to make feel better,also i would blame the Asari for not giving up the beacon earlier,it's their fault. There's no reason to yell at joker.
@@ambskater97 actually he has a point, there is also the fact the asari and specifically the asari councilor are knowingly breaking the law by keeping a Prothean beacon secret. Prothean tech is required by galactic law to be shared among the council races which the asari refused to do
Honestly, I wanted to agree with Joker. And have a deadly serious Shepard say something along the lines of 'Maybe if they hadn't hidden a Prothean Beacon up their own asses, they'd be more prepared.' As Shepard leaves, Joker goes 'You know I was trying to make a joke, right?' And Shepard returns 'Yeah. And I wasn't.' before ending the scene.
This is one of my favorite scenes in the game because it shows that things are starting to pile on Shepard. It's just..I dunno, shows him as a person rather than the badass we all know and love.
I always get annoyed at Shepard being so upset about Thessia being lost. Especially after all the shit the Asari councillor gave him and how they refused to listen, once Earth was attacked they used it as a chance to save themselves at the expense of the humans and then say they never expected the day to come where their planet would be attacked when we were warning them for years. I’d have loved an “I told you so” option.
This is a good scene but Shepard switching from being appropriately pissed at Joker's stupid ... joke... to making that light-hearted response to Joker's guilt just feels terrible. The fact that Joker is still carrying survivor's guilt is a big deal.
It's natural to feel bad carrying the guilt of being the only survivor of the crew. But can't say it's a big deal when you compare to feel responsible of the fall of a whole planet and probably the entire galaxy. So no, the light-hearted moment ends when he admits he cares about Shepard. That wasn't the appropiate time fot that joke.
It's paragon because Shepard yells at Joker for making an inappropriate joke. Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek is easily considered paragon but he yells at a civilization for committing an act of utter barbarity. Just as Shepard does in this scene.
This is Mark Meer's best moment in the game loved it and totally reflected my feeling on the lost of Thessia. You should have choose the renegade option his performance is even better.
In Mass Effect 3, a conversation between two asari, one a shell-shocked commando, can be heard. Repeated visits reveal the commando to have been a survivor of a Reaper attack on a farm on a planet called Tiptree. She had been escaping husks and other Reaper-converted monsters with a fifteen year-old girl named Hillary in tow. Eventually, Hillary became injured and would not stop crying, endangering them both. Unable to silence her, the commando, in desperation, ultimately shot the girl. This is pretty bad in itself... and you later learn that Joker has family on Tiptree. He hasn't heard from his father, but he's pretty sure that his fifteen year-old sister, Hillary, made it off safely. As quoted from the Mass Effect Tropes page. His sister is long gone.
Jokers just watched what a planet being completely invaded by reapers looks like, and he knows his family was attacked 2 weeks beforehand and no word from them. and still he is trying to make shep feel better. It might not have been in good taste but still he was just trying to help the only way he knows really.
You could argue by that time when Joker made this joke the war had finally taken it's toll on Shepard and when he heard the joke he just lost it. Regardless despite whether or not he was coping with the situation with humor would still not excuse the joke, I don't think humor can actually help yourself or your comrades after witnessing the defeat of a planet in a similar way of how you saw the fall of your home.
Shepard- Joker...you have to tell them... Joker- No Commander, you tell them..You're not doing this to me again! Shepard- You have to tell them that asari dacer joke...please...*Lets go* Joker- COMMANDER!!
It should have been. "This is no joking matter," "Too soon, Joker," and "You're right." (better written paraphrases, of course) You know, like in ME2, like when Shepard was our character.
I think they both did superb jobs. Yeah, sometimes Hale does better in certain scenes and sometimes Meer does better in others, but either way, they're both very talented actors in their own right.
Why the jokes? Because the Asari SUCK! They had, not only a prothean beacon, they had a full on Prothean AI! And not only did they get rolled over, they didn't even believe Shepard! They have indisputable proof that the reapers are real, and they still made no plans or ANYTHING! So, Joker. Make all the jokes about the blue strippers as you want! The only thing you could argue is why does the AI basically go into hibernation and let the Asari build a statue around it? I would argue that the AI became absolutely jaded and lost all patience with the blue b----es that clearly were not listening to ANY of its warnings!
Coming back to this video with the release of ME Legendary Edition, and my god. Shepard sounds like he’s going to crack after a. all the pressure put on him by, well, everyone and b. bottling up his own emotions by saying he’s fine when he’s really not and it SHOWS here. I loved this scene tbh.
Nooo, you should have chose the other option where Shep says he doesn't need his help. You would have seen the most fucked up expression Sheppard would ever give.
Spoilers. If you listen to the two asari over to the right upon walking into the citadel hospital, you learn that Joker's sister was executed by the asari commando because she was making too much noise during a reaper attack due to her broken leg.
Look, they're both extremely talented in their own fields. They're similar in their range and charisma. Therefore, I'm a fan of them both and find arguing over two opposing styles of acting ridiculous. You are just another piece of evidence to back that up. If you honestly were expecting to start a voice actor war, you're horribly mistaken. I have a life.
Im usually one for dark humor to break the tension but even this would have pissed me off a little bit. But it was nothing personal, and this is just how Joker copes.
Actually it is. Choosing the renegade option will make Shepard states .."You're not my therapy so when i'll need your help i'll call you. Until then, back off"... She\he says something like that. Which is very fucked up lol. Then Joker replies ..."Yes commander".. Very emotional to turn down Joker like that.
it is assumed though, not legitly said, and still, thats still no reason, at least for me, one person compared to a whole planet fully of full intelligent civilization, knowing how the reapers are, i dont think anyone should wish that on anybody.
Ha, ripping Lolita for school would be such a horrible idea, but back on topic. I haven't played SC2 so I can't be a true judge about this. The ref video helps though. I do see your argument, but I think blatantly calling it a rip-off is too harsh a label. I think "inspired" would be better, but maybe that's too lenient. However, I have to disagree with you on saying ME ripped the Asari from SC2's Syreen; both races were more likely built into the "green alien girl" archetype from Star Trek.
I'm not saying everyone has to. I'm well aware that there are other opinions. But I was not talking about the reception of ME3, rather it was that you stated Bioware did not know how to make a game. Whether you like the Mass Effect series is irrelevant, you must acknowledge that the game does excel in some areas. Yes the originality of various content of the game is questionable but no game is unique in every aspect as it is impossible to make such a thing.
Someone says it trough the the com, but no idea who, so we can only speculate that maybe the team heard it. And even if they do, why would they run from the fight? Real Comrades would try to finish what Shepard started. What makes no sense is that at the run to the beam no crewmate is on Shepards side even you took two of them with him to the final assault. Okay their icons are shown at the bottom but i cant't see them anywhere.
well joker explained that Shepard is extremely stressed because everything is going to hell sure the game is about free-will and they couldve included the option but i dont think that wouldve fit commander shepard's personality beying renegade or paragon yes three months later
@Visitormassacre: A true Mass Effect fan would not complain about Mass Effect that mucThis ending was great for me, it made me feel like it was over after 3 games. If you've only played the third, you can't get that feeling and thus get angry over the endh
Jokers sister name was Hillary, the soldier said her name was Hillary, and I'm not saying he's raging over this incident, when you go to the citadel after the mission she explains it so it could have been from blind hate at the moment.
I picked the renegade option so at the end when Shepard apologizes to Joker you feel more emotional; but that's just me.... And that's probably why he left my crispy-ass at the end lol fml.
That's what I don't like about ME3 (other than the ending, duh), they make you act like a jerk to everyone after Thessia for a bit. What happened about "choices"? I couldn't take it light-heartedly?
Umm Normandy crash lands not in our system, the scene where normandy get hit by rainbow wave shows that they jumped through relay. It just some random garden world
God, when the chopper (thingy) flew away on Thessia, I could just see Shepard was like...sad as hell there, and watching the reapers flying in....and then, this scene with Joker...gosh, I felt so sorry for Shep...
I liked doing more Renegade responses in this one, even on my primary Paragon playthrough, simply to reflect more of Shepard's exhaustion and just being tired of dealing with everyone's crap. So yeah, he's gonna punch a b--ch in the face cause being nice isn't working anymore, so to speak.
I'm disappointed there was never a point where we Shephard break down where he/she snaps I feel it really would have driven home the mental and emotional of war
It wasn't war; it was genocide
In final scene in Lair of the Shadow Broker where Liara comes to your cabin there's a dialogue option where Shepard admits he's full of doubt and has no idea how he'll make it. I loved that line, it added a lot of dept to Shepard's character, it was the first time you could admit you're just vulnerable. Shepard breaking down would be every interesting and emotional scene but even without it you could literally sense the dread of the situation in the galaxy in ME3
I agree. A scene where he - in the company of allies but presented with the impossible and no way out - just falls apart and loses his cool. Ranting and raving about how everybody always looks to him to fix their mess and he doesn't have the answers. That maybe if people had listened from the start, this wouldn't have fallen on him yet again and how maybe if they all die, it's their own damn fault!
And then retreating to his quarters to brood where the love interest finds him or her and helps him through it, to find some comfort in their relationship and the things that matter in the end. And some topical follow up dialogue with each companion thereafter of you visit them.
Missed opportunity. But that's what ME3 was, right? Missed Opportunity: The Game.
@@Aedrion- It's not a missed opportunity, because whether it's Paragon or Renegade Shepard it wouldn't fit the character. He's the commander of the Normandy, damn near a legendary figure that has connections to some of the most important people in the galaxy at that point. He is the one person who can't be seen to be having emotional or mental breakdowns more then anyone else, even in the company of friends. He's the rock that everyone else is connected to. He can't, for the sake of everyone around him, break like that. That's his cross to bear, and we can see it weigh heavily on him as the Reaper War drags on. It's a sight only we, the audience can see, because we are looking in from the outside.
Lets not have Shepard go through what feels like obligatory mental breakdown scene everything apparently has to have now. He's a stronger person then that, hell, even dying didn't phase him that much.
@@mrbigglezworth42 Then have it happen to him in a solo scene. Where he gives a cool speech and retreats to his chambers and stares at himself in the mirror a little, trying to convince himself that he's doing his best.
Emotion, feelings, doubts and fears humanise characters, makes them more than 'legendary captain' or 'leader of the whatever'. Titles are ultimately just titles, the meat of a character is in their inner workings, which is not explored enough in ME.
*When even the paragon option sounds like renegade, and the renegade sounds like super renegade
Can you blame him?
Do you think Mark Vanderloo plays Mass Effect and just laughs when it gives him the option to customize his face?
@OptiMystic8 Same here, dark black sense of humor can help in times of great stress. And i didnt feel bad for the bluebutts after finding out they were hiding protean tech all along to be more advanced than the others.
Think about it this way, perhaps Joker doesn't have much care for a sari anyway, you saw that PTSD soldier thing right? an asari ended up killing his sister.
I thought it was a great joke. But then again I don't like the Asari to much. They are the most technologically advanced race in the Galaxy, and it doesn't amount to sh__. The Salarians at least make up for what they lack in brute strength with clever tactics and espionage. Then we consider the Turians who like big guns, and the Krogan who don't even need guns. Granted I think it's the problem that they tell us how great the asari are, but never show it, versus every other race is shown to be awesome.
What does he say in the other choice?
There are some scenes that Hale does better than Meer, but when it comes to DEAD ON performances like this one, Meer freaking delivers!
i still didnt think it was appropriate, how is a joke like that supposed to be funny seeing what happened in Thessia???
like seriously, i still didnt like it.
This little emotional scene really tears at my heart. But I really wish there was a scene in ME3 where Shepard just broke down under the stress and desperately needed someone to bring him back on his feet like how he did for the rest of his crew.
Agreed. I've been playing mostly paragon on the triology. I've been supporting my crewmates whenever they need. Damn, I even helped a krogan in love to get his asari chick. Someone giving it back to me would be really appreciated.
yup. It does annoy me how being brought back from the dead Shepard barely mentions it/gets freaked out by that fact. I dont care how hard-ass of a soldier you can be, dying and then being brought back to life and learning that you had in fact been dead at one point would shake ANYONE up.
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww I think the point it shows is that shepard is trying to keep a straight face for his crew, although in 3 in the liara romance and I think Tali but I may be wrong shepard shares in insecurities. although yes I have always wanted a scene of shepard alone in his cabin in me 3 after maybe thessia or something where he loses hope and starts crying. then he would get called to the war room where they find the cerberus location.
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He probably felt like that, but he can't lose his cool in front of his team. He is the leader, the one everyone respects and he can't crack(though he comes quite close in ME3 when he loses Thessia). The nightmares are Shepard's true feelings, how he feels about the wars.
Watch the Samantha Traynor romance, in the scene after the last nightmare, Shepard gives the line that sounds as close as she gets to just breaking down completely.
I think it's silly how much people are arguing about Meer vs. Hale. I have my own preference, sure, but getting down to it, they are both very good voice actors. They each have their own strengths, and sort of have their own direction with Shepard. Just like each of us has molded Shepard in our own unique way.
hale I think is more suited to a renegade shepard where as meer is for paragon
@@talynator3745 good paragon option and meme moments option (Big stupid Jellyfish)
@Talynator “Mordin, you’re not going up” is killed by Meer. He is a good renegade. Better than Hale.
Yeah, they voice work is good but not as good as Hawke's. It's the male models that are kinda bad.
This hits even more when you realise that the asari commando's dialogue going over shellsock on the Citadel implies that she meet Joker's sister.
And she saw her die.
She killed her*
Yeah she watched her die, because she killed her
It took him a while, but Mark Meer really grew into the role. You can hear genuine anger when he's chastising Joker over the joke. Jennifer Hale sounds a mixture of mildly annoyed and sarcastic about it. What a subtle, but important difference.
You know what?...The Asari seriously screwed the galaxy by keeping the beacon to themselves. If they had shared it, the galaxy may have known about the Reapers and how to build the Crucible hundreds or even thousands of years in advance.
100nitrog disagree on some points. That beacon would have never teached much on the reapers. If it did then the asari of all people wouldve known about them. Somehow, all the asari got from it was technology and modern knowledge. Why ddint Vendetta just come out and tell them about the reapers? i have no fucking clue. It's probably an oversight by bioware
@@khalduras784 remember, Shepherd talked to the Prothean VI with the cipher from Feros, letting him speak Prothean. The VI probably did what Sigil did on Ilos and used that to translate to galactic basic. But the Asari didn't have that cipher
@@fireblast8972 neither Cerberus and they used it anyway... Even indoctrinated! Besides nowhere is stated that you need a cypher to use the beacon, it's purpose is to be used by other civilization so there's a way. And even if the Asaris can't do it they could've helped since the events of ME1 when Shepard talks about the beacon.
So the most advanced civilization in the galaxy, huh? The Asaris screw up the whole galaxy just to have a few toys more than the rest and violating a law that the Asaris created-- to do not use Protheans artifacts without sharing the benefits with the galactic community.
Maybe I just have a dark sense of humour but I thought it was funny lol (although yeah it was too soon)
@Cornelia Tbh though, its not his fault at all. I wouldnt really care. They could tell this from the beginning along with giving more resources for the crucible and crucible would have been done before they reached Thessia. Asari didnt want their dirty secret out and paid for it + what Joker said is stated pretty much by Matriach Aethyta so he's not alone, even some asari agree with him. It wasnt just a joke imo. It was actually a truthful examination of the situation. They have stranglehold on the XXX market and got too used to sending their young their AND forgot about what happens when someone challenges them. They got used to Commandos being feared but when Shepard slaughters them like butter when Reapers just slice through them - they have nothing to back up their might. Asari and Salarians are all about control and keeping others down.
Also, those asari dying during Priority: Thessia died because of BioWare - I would allow them to retreat if I could because their presence was pointless.
This is one of the scenes where I genuinely think that Meer did a much better job that Hale. Hales is kind of whispery and quiet, but with Meer you could hear the frustration and anger about Thessia. Hale did a better job on ME1 and it was pretty close on ME2, but I really think Meer stepped it up and was the better VA in ME3. Both doing fantastic jobs respectively.
Meer people don't give him enough credit he did alot of voice work in this game he helped shape and voice acted how the vorcha, hanar, volus, and turians sounded. and he had the role of male shepard granted his acting as male shepard in ME1 was crappy but he did a more decent job in ME2. But in ME3 i believe he did a great job and i felt that he was actually better than Hale.
Like it or not, Meer is Shepard. If you don't like his voice work then you don't like Shepard. Hardly anyone played as femShep, Meer Shep has been the face of the game ever since it was announced and no amount of Legendary Edition revisionism will change that.
@@ajshdhenskaka two shepherds for a reason. can’t just completely disregard one because your biased towards another. i’ve known plenty of people who played femshep instead of broshep, played both and personally liked femshep more. everyone has opinions on which they prefer, regardless of gender both are equally shepherd and nothing changes that.
I love his ME1 performance for the “big, stupid jellyfish” alone 😄
@@hotaru7238 the plenty of people you refer to is basically your imagination buddy, imaginary people, redditors mostly. Otherwise Everyone almost every gamer and even casuals knows Male Shep as the Main Hero. Not femshep. Also ME1, ME2 and ME3 had Male Shep as the Main guy, femshep was just a side option for rpg purposes.
@@ajshdhenskaka i agree with ya.
To anyone who says that Mark Meer can't emote, this scene proves them wrong. He did an amazing job in ME3, and everyone just continues to laud Hale and ignore his performance. I'm really starting to hate Femshep fanboys.
Mark really gave it his all in ME3. I understand that he felt more robotic in the first 2, but in 3, he felt like a human being trying to fight a battle he couldn't win unlike what he was able to do before.
Basketball Man I don't have things against femshep but I do agree. Seeing all The femshep sin fan arts, her voice would seem more varied to natch her looks. But for maleshep, Mark and John Shepard are irreplaceable.
In fact, the roboticness of Meer's voice in 1 and 2 lent more to his performance in 3. His robotic character works especially well in default mode. Here's a guy who pulled himself up by his bootstraps on Earth, and then joined the Alliance, and then, on Akuze, loses his entire unit to a group of thresher maws for no other reason than the Illusive Man wanted to see what the maws could do. After that, it is easy to understand how he would be doing his best to shut off all but basic emotions. In 2, there are moments where Meer felt less robotic, but one needs to understand, Shepard just died, was brought back to life, and forced to work for the guys that killed his squad. It is not that difficult for one to imagine his emotional walls starting to crumble.
Then we come to Mass Effect 3, and the full on Reaper invasion. It is difficult to see Shepard's emotional walls holding together against a force powerful enough that one weapon from one ship can take out an Alliance dreadnought in 3-4 shots, especially considering that this was his childhood home. Then it all comes to a head on Thessia.
With that knowledge of his character, especially in default broshep mode, it is my humble opinion that Mark Meer did an amazing job across the board on all three games.
I thought any questions about Mark's acting ability would have been put well and truly to bed by Project Overlord. The barely contained rage in his voice at the end is chilling, especially from the stoic Shep we've come to know over the course of 2 games.
Paragon-Jennifer
Renegade-Mark
Argument done. Jennifer sounds best in paragon, as a renegade she just sounds like some high school teenager on her period and Mark sounds rather stiff and bored as paragon but as renegade it's like practically every awesome no-nonsense action hero out there.
You know what's fucked up about all of this?
You later find out Joker's father and sister didn't survive on Tiptree, and that an Asari commando killed Joker's sister because she broke her leg and was whimpering from the pain, so the Asari killed her so she wouldn't give up their hiding spot to the husks.
Where'd you find that out?
Through an Asari commando on the Citadel who's in the hospital. You have to go back multiple times throughout the game to get the full story but it matches everything that Joker says, and the Asari in the hospital says the planet's name.
Plus, the developers and creators confirmed the story.
Both Joker and the Asari mention the name Hilary too. If they're not the same person then it's a massive coincidence.
This is the one scene I think Meer did better than Hale. While she sounds tired and depressed, BroShep sounds like he's literally moments away from a breakdown, and it's much more appropiate for the situation.
La Esmeralda
There are plenty of times when Meer sounds significantly better than Hale.
Listen to their lines when they think Grunt died in the Rachni Nest on Uttuku......
'the best'
@@1215298 Gotta say in ME1-ME2 Hale was better. But in ME3 was Meer's. Especially during emotional times. Hale read her lines too fast. I still like her.
@@ladyselin35 yeah well big stupid jellyfish was better done by Meer
in this scene femshep just sounded bored and relaxed after losing thessia and it just felt like joker was yelling at her for no reason. in this scene male shepard you hear that he's frustrated, annoyed, angry, defeated, stressed the hell out. Hale is a great voice actor but i feel that IMO she is over praised for her role as femshep. yes she did a way better job in ME1 but i felt she never elevated higher than that and in ME3 she sounded pretty gruff like she was smoking too much.
My feelings! They exist in words!
Thank you finally someone gets it
I never really consider this a joke tbh more of a factual statement. Even the one asari in purgatory says as much. Too many asari dancing or doing other pointless things when there was a war going on.
-Yell at joker
-Yell at joker in a different way
Why was there no option to laugh? It was a pretty good joke.
Commander Shepard had just suffered his biggest defeat, lost the most advanced species from the galactic army he was forming, and also lost the information to finish the crucible. So a joke is not what he would want to hear just at that moment....
He didn't suffer his biggest defeat.
The biggest defeat was when he landed on Earth to give up his ship to the Alliance instead of rallying the galaxy for the reapers.
Also wasn't that "canonization"?
Not everyone's Shepard is a diehard Liaramancer
I would have laughed at the joke,also appreciate the fact Joker is trying to make feel better,also i would blame the Asari for not giving up the beacon earlier,it's their fault.
There's no reason to yell at joker.
@@arbiteras Do you really think you know better than the people making the damn game? Get real. Write a shitty fanfic if you aren't happy.
Toxic, aren't you?
I can criticize ANYTHING i want, i don't need some dumbfuck on UA-cam telling me what i can do.
@@ambskater97 actually he has a point, there is also the fact the asari and specifically the asari councilor are knowingly breaking the law by keeping a Prothean beacon secret. Prothean tech is required by galactic law to be shared among the council races which the asari refused to do
Honestly, I wanted to agree with Joker. And have a deadly serious Shepard say something along the lines of 'Maybe if they hadn't hidden a Prothean Beacon up their own asses, they'd be more prepared.'
As Shepard leaves, Joker goes 'You know I was trying to make a joke, right?'
And Shepard returns 'Yeah. And I wasn't.' before ending the scene.
This is one of my favorite scenes in the game because it shows that things are starting to pile on Shepard. It's just..I dunno, shows him as a person rather than the badass we all know and love.
Shepherd: Joker, put that crack in a safe place!
"Joker! On second thought, keep the crack!"
I personally wanted a deeper, more intense-argument, but this was still great.
"You're like half-robot at this point"
More foreshadowing.
too soon.
When Joker says Anderson asked him to take care of Shepard the only thing I could think was: "SPACE DADDY!" XD
I just think it's really cute.
Anderson pretty much is Shepard’s father
Seriously no one talking about the stress scans? Just the bloody voice actors...ugh...whole reason I looked for this vid was for the stress topic😭
You know how nerds are. They get pissy about the tiniest, most inconsequential shit.
Sorry Joker but that joke was fucked up.
I always get annoyed at Shepard being so upset about Thessia being lost. Especially after all the shit the Asari councillor gave him and how they refused to listen, once Earth was attacked they used it as a chance to save themselves at the expense of the humans and then say they never expected the day to come where their planet would be attacked when we were warning them for years. I’d have loved an “I told you so” option.
That's a dumb thing sheperd isn't so petty as to say that and even so it's still tragic sight to see an entire race and planet fall
This is a good scene but Shepard switching from being appropriately pissed at Joker's stupid ... joke... to making that light-hearted response to Joker's guilt just feels terrible. The fact that Joker is still carrying survivor's guilt is a big deal.
It's natural to feel bad carrying the guilt of being the only survivor of the crew. But can't say it's a big deal when you compare to feel responsible of the fall of a whole planet and probably the entire galaxy. So no, the light-hearted moment ends when he admits he cares about Shepard. That wasn't the appropiate time fot that joke.
It's paragon because Shepard yells at Joker for making an inappropriate joke. Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek is easily considered paragon but he yells at a civilization for committing an act of utter barbarity. Just as Shepard does in this scene.
This is Mark Meer's best moment in the game loved it and totally reflected my feeling on the lost of Thessia. You should have choose the renegade option his performance is even better.
In Mass Effect 3, a conversation between two asari, one a shell-shocked commando, can be heard. Repeated visits reveal the commando to have been a survivor of a Reaper attack on a farm on a planet called Tiptree. She had been escaping husks and other Reaper-converted monsters with a fifteen year-old girl named Hillary in tow. Eventually, Hillary became injured and would not stop crying, endangering them both. Unable to silence her, the commando, in desperation, ultimately shot the girl. This is pretty bad in itself... and you later learn that Joker has family on Tiptree. He hasn't heard from his father, but he's pretty sure that his fifteen year-old sister, Hillary, made it off safely. As quoted from the Mass Effect Tropes page. His sister is long gone.
Well I must've screwed something up in the character creation, because when I got this scene, my Shepard's eyebrows went halfway down his face. :O
HAHAHAHA
The asari really screwed over everyone else. There should've been some way to agree with Joker here.
Jokers just watched what a planet being completely invaded by reapers looks like, and he knows his family was attacked 2 weeks beforehand and no word from them. and still he is trying to make shep feel better.
It might not have been in good taste but still he was just trying to help the only way he knows really.
>people
nah, they were just asari
You could argue by that time when Joker made this joke the war had finally taken it's toll on Shepard and when he heard the joke he just lost it. Regardless despite whether or not he was coping with the situation with humor would still not excuse the joke, I don't think humor can actually help yourself or your comrades after witnessing the defeat of a planet in a similar way of how you saw the fall of your home.
There should've been an option where you don't get angry. The best way to deal with tragedy is to have a laugh! :O
True but its like joker said shepard was really stressed out at this point to laugh
Shepard- Joker...you have to tell them...
Joker- No Commander, you tell them..You're not doing this to me again!
Shepard- You have to tell them that asari dacer joke...please...*Lets go*
Joker- COMMANDER!!
It should have been. "This is no joking matter," "Too soon, Joker," and "You're right." (better written paraphrases, of course) You know, like in ME2, like when Shepard was our character.
This scene right here show just how good meer got from being average in the 1st and 2nd one to an amazing voice actor.
The colony on tiptree is (probably) the farm the Asari Commando with PTSD sitting in the hospital talks about. It was obliterated by Reapers.
I looked all over youtube for this video. Thanks!
Seth Green does a great job of voice acting in this series. Underrated if you ask me.
I think they both did superb jobs. Yeah, sometimes Hale does better in certain scenes and sometimes Meer does better in others, but either way, they're both very talented actors in their own right.
Jennifer Hale Shepard/Female Shepard is more dramatic than Mark Meer Shepard!🤷♀️ I can't take Male Shepard seriously!😂
Why the jokes? Because the Asari SUCK! They had, not only a prothean beacon, they had a full on Prothean AI! And not only did they get rolled over, they didn't even believe Shepard! They have indisputable proof that the reapers are real, and they still made no plans or ANYTHING! So, Joker. Make all the jokes about the blue strippers as you want! The only thing you could argue is why does the AI basically go into hibernation and let the Asari build a statue around it? I would argue that the AI became absolutely jaded and lost all patience with the blue b----es that clearly were not listening to ANY of its warnings!
Coming back to this video with the release of ME Legendary Edition, and my god. Shepard sounds like he’s going to crack after a. all the pressure put on him by, well, everyone and b. bottling up his own emotions by saying he’s fine when he’s really not and it SHOWS here. I loved this scene tbh.
Wow Shepard sounds so much like Kevin Conroy's Batman, at times, damn. I never realized somehow. And he's talking to Joker in this haha.
If only my Shep could've gone "LOL" I mean really talk about a disconnect from Shep in that scene.
Nooo, you should have chose the other option where Shep says he doesn't need his help. You would have seen the most fucked up expression Sheppard would ever give.
Spoilers.
If you listen to the two asari over to the right upon walking into the citadel hospital, you learn that Joker's sister was executed by the asari commando because she was making too much noise during a reaper attack due to her broken leg.
He has the War Hero background, you can be colonist, spacer or earthborn and still get this response
Look, they're both extremely talented in their own fields. They're similar in their range and charisma. Therefore, I'm a fan of them both and find arguing over two opposing styles of acting ridiculous. You are just another piece of evidence to back that up.
If you honestly were expecting to start a voice actor war, you're horribly mistaken. I have a life.
Shepard: In case you hadn't noticed we just lost a few million people!
Joker: ....Why so serious?
Im usually one for dark humor to break the tension but even this would have pissed me off a little bit. But it was nothing personal, and this is just how Joker copes.
even worse when you realize the ptsd asari in the citadel hospital was talking about jokers sister
Thumbs up if you wish there was an option to go 'nice one!' and high-five joker
Actually it is.
Choosing the renegade option will make Shepard states .."You're not my therapy so when i'll need your help i'll call you. Until then, back off"... She\he says something like that. Which is very fucked up lol.
Then Joker replies ..."Yes commander".. Very emotional to turn down Joker like that.
it is assumed though, not legitly said, and still, thats still no reason, at least for me, one person compared to a whole planet fully of full intelligent civilization, knowing how the reapers are, i dont think anyone should wish that on anybody.
It was a great joke tho..
Ha, ripping Lolita for school would be such a horrible idea, but back on topic. I haven't played SC2 so I can't be a true judge about this. The ref video helps though. I do see your argument, but I think blatantly calling it a rip-off is too harsh a label. I think "inspired" would be better, but maybe that's too lenient. However, I have to disagree with you on saying ME ripped the Asari from SC2's Syreen; both races were more likely built into the "green alien girl" archetype from Star Trek.
I'm not saying everyone has to. I'm well aware that there are other opinions. But I was not talking about the reception of ME3, rather it was that you stated Bioware did not know how to make a game. Whether you like the Mass Effect series is irrelevant, you must acknowledge that the game does excel in some areas. Yes the originality of various content of the game is questionable but no game is unique in every aspect as it is impossible to make such a thing.
Someone says it trough the the com, but no idea who, so we can only speculate that maybe the team heard it. And even if they do, why would they run from the fight? Real Comrades would try to finish what Shepard started. What makes no sense is that at the run to the beam no crewmate is on Shepards side even you took two of them with him to the final assault. Okay their icons are shown at the bottom but i cant't see them anywhere.
well joker explained that Shepard is extremely stressed because everything is going to hell
sure the game is about free-will and they couldve included the option but i dont think that wouldve fit commander shepard's personality beying renegade or paragon
yes three months later
@Visitormassacre: A true Mass Effect fan would not complain about Mass Effect that mucThis ending was great for me, it made me feel like it was over after 3 games. If you've only played the third, you can't get that feeling and thus get angry over the endh
Jokers sister name was Hillary, the soldier said her name was Hillary, and I'm not saying he's raging over this incident, when you go to the citadel after the mission she explains it so it could have been from blind hate at the moment.
I picked the renegade option so at the end when Shepard apologizes to Joker you feel more emotional; but that's just me.... And that's probably why he left my crispy-ass at the end lol fml.
That's what I don't like about ME3 (other than the ending, duh), they make you act like a jerk to everyone after Thessia for a bit. What happened about "choices"? I couldn't take it light-heartedly?
Umm Normandy crash lands not in our system, the scene where normandy get hit by rainbow wave shows that they jumped through relay. It just some random garden world
Too bad if u go to hosptial and listen to the asari she had to kill jokers sister before she alerted the banshee....i would assume his dad is dead 2
You wanna look at Turian, Korgan, or Salarian dancers? Besides you can see human dancers anywhere else why would you want to see them in ME.
Did either of you guys watch the IT(indoctrination theory)? It explains why that scene was there it didn't really happen. It was a scene of hope
This scene is so much better with male Shepard rather than with female Shepard. MaleShep sounds so angry but FemShep sounds bored.
OH FUCK! Just saw a video with an Asari soldier with PTSD and she was at Tiptree! fuck... Joker... his entire family is dead now
God, when the chopper (thingy) flew away on Thessia, I could just see Shepard was like...sad as hell there, and watching the reapers flying in....and then, this scene with Joker...gosh, I felt so sorry for Shep...
Well, we'll see when it comes out. Either way, if the problem isn't rectified, well that's one gaming company dead.
earth is getting glassed by reapers for two weeks and Shepard spends his time playing errand boy and getting laid.
Mark Meer totally overshadows Jennifer Hale in this voiceover. Hale just sounds....................boring as hell.
And yet, I remain confused on what your entire point was in responding to my first comment.
figures.. i wasnt so interested in doing the research, i fugred someone would reply... and you did.. thanks lol
I can give you ten reasons why there was such a backlash, but I'd rather you watch AngryJoe's video on it.
am i in the minority because i think make shep voice acting is better by far then the fem shep voice acting
I liked doing more Renegade responses in this one, even on my primary Paragon playthrough, simply to reflect more of Shepard's exhaustion and just being tired of dealing with everyone's crap. So yeah, he's gonna punch a b--ch in the face cause being nice isn't working anymore, so to speak.
I guess Bioware should be saying sorry to you, since you got shafted, not the other way around 'bro."
Hale is terrible, blad, and generic. I dont know what you fanboys are hearing most of the time.
thumbs up for indoc. theory believer 100 thumbs up and i'll off myself as a Turian
Oh I did not see who originally posted this comment. My apologizes, Matriarch.
Shepard basically tells Joker to shut up and he is not Shepards psychiatrist.
this is one of those scenes where male shepard is better than female shepard
@karankenZ np. it's a very small part, but it is one of my favorites.
oh wait I see what you were saying, yeah, I meant War Hero, not Spacer
Can't tell if trolling, or actually think Bioware is a bad company.
June 20ish... officially... but it may be more or less that date.
if that's the paragon response, i dont wanna see the renegade...