The Arquitens is actually 325 meters long, which makes it longer than the Nebulon-B. Both are actually escort ships, contrary to the idea that the Nebulon-B was used for front line combat while the Arquitens wasn't; and both carry a squadron or two of fighters externally. The real fight comes down to positioning. The Arquitens is faster and more maneuverable, but one thing that was forgotten is that the Nebulon-B is equipped with 2 tractor beams (which won't be able to stop the Arquitens, but could slow it down). The Nebulon-B primarily has its weapons facing forward, with only 3 turbolasers on each side, plus the connecting spar is a notable weak point. And while the Arquitens has only 4 turbolasers on each side, I would assume they're a slightly larger model. Coming in from a distance, the Nebulon-B would have the initial advantage, and would do well at keeping the Arquitens in its frontal arc. If the Arquitens can close the range, which it will do eventually as long as it lives, it could probably expect to turn the tide very quickly. This fight is much closer than you give it credit for.
while the arquitens was used for escort during the clone wars by the time of the empire it was set to patrol duty. i do feel that the nebulon has the advantage unless it is flanked by the arquitens and allows a shot to its spar.
It ia also worth noting that 12 X-wings or a mix of X-wings and Y-wings provides the Neb-B a huge advantage over a squadron of TIE fighters. So while the Arquitens may be able to bring fire and do serious damage if it gets close... we have seen a group of 3 Y-wings or even a single X-wing do significant damage to a ISD while we have never seen a TIE do anything more than superficial damage to a capitol ship. I love TIE Fighter the game btw so I think a squadron of TIE's would be able to make a Neb-B seriously scared but since an X-wing can reasonably challenge 2 or even 3 TIE Fighters I think this battle is won by fighters not ships.
You're a tiny bit wrong. The Aqruitens-class had 4 anti-starfighter cannons, 2 on each side, and 2 anti-ship turbo lasers, both on top. It's extremely out gunned.
I could've sworn that I saw a Star Wars Rebels episodes where it showed that the Arquitens class at least during the Galactic Civil War era could carry two TIE Bombers in between the prongs of the ship
Alice Conroy 10/10 is just crazy. The Neb B is not really a dedicated warship where as the Light cruiser is designed for front line work. Remember the Republic designed the Arquitens for front line battle against the CIS where the Empire designed the Neb B to swat away rebels and pirates. this match up is a misfire for sure. 6/10 Arquitens AH and I just remembered this thing is 300 meters is does not land on the surface so It needs more then docking tubes there is no way it does not have at least a small shuttle hanger.
Just say you are an Arquitens class diehard fanboy so Arquitens SHOULD win 10/10 ok? The original Arquitens light cruiser is outgunned and can carry fewer fighters (just 3 TIEs), even the sensor system is just medium-range in contrast to the long-range sensor aboard Neb-B. For modified Arquitens, it is already ruled out in this video for fairness (original vs original).
The Arquitens has 4 quad turbolaser turrets (16 in total) and 4 quad laser canons (16 too), it's faster and can carry up to 3 TIEs (in Rebels has Defenders, Bombers, Fighters, Interceptors and even a Lambda Lander) in the bow bay. I don't know if an Arquitens can defeat a Nebulon B, but 10/10 victories for the Nebulon B seems too much for me. Cheers
I second this. Thanks to quad batteries, it outguns the Nebulon in both point defense and turbolasers, and it has missile launchers as standard as well. This is not as easy of a fight for the Nebulon to win as the video makes it appear.
If it could stay out of the way of the nebulons tractor beams I don’t see how it couldn’t outmaneuver the nebulon b and destroy it from The rear.far more manoeuvrable after all and more structurally sound then the verry silly nebulous b design
Roccaraso I'm not familiar with the make-up of Starkiller's main weapon, but assuming that the projectile has mass, it would stand to reason that it could work. In theory, anyways. You'd have to have an interdictor stationed within the firing line of Starkiller Base, which would require you to know exactly where it is and what its target will be. Throw in the fact that the main weapon scatters to multiple targets, and the variables increase the difficulty of countering it exponentially.
Considering the beams appear to have a hyperspace class of something like -20 since they can cross the entire galaxy in seconds it could be reasoned that they would pass to quickly for an interdictor to be in the correct place within reason
or simply position a "sphere" formation of interdictors around the solar system, if not interdictors ships, stations like the gravity well generator in star wars empire at war, that would be a very good mean of defence for a solar system if used in coop with defence stations and small fleets at each "interdictor station"
Regarding Neb-B fighter compliment: I know in Legends, at least, it was an Imperial-designed ship. My guess is that the middle-section was designed to hold fighter racks that were not a full maintenance hangar. This is an ESCORT frigate, to accompany heavier star destroyers or more vulnerable craft like tankers and supply convoys. When TIEs needed heavier refueling/repairs, they would use the escorted ships. The Rebels did away with those fighter racks that were built specifically for TIEs. If they ever did modify the racks to carry their own, we wouldn’t have seen it on a medical frigate.
seems very one sided. the Munificent had terrible shielding and poor armament while the Assault frigate had superb shielding and a much heavier armament
LORDOceanus Not necessary. In the early war, yes, because they were not built for war, but were later retrofitted with more guns and automatic systems. Also, they were able to knock out Venators, and carry a decent fighter and bomber compliment, giving it an edge over the Mk. 2.
I think the Nebulon B would have some carying capacity for strarfighters, though I also think 2 squadrons is pushing it. It does say about the medical frigate that the majority of it's hanger space was retrofitted to hospital space, so one could even assume that in a standard Nebulon B, the room that Luke, Leia and the droids watch the Millennium Falcon depart at the end of Empire could very well be a hanger.
I think the fighters would attach along the midsection, as that was where the Falcon docked to it in episode 5. It allows rapid deployment. You don't really see fighters docked, because the Rebellion would usually have them fly in themselves. It helped with the whole "Hit and run" tactic to have your fighters already there, as opposed to the extra time in deploying them one by one.
yeah.. in Rebels we have seen A-Wings and other fighters dock with Corvettes (each Corvette could carry 3 fighters) in the acess hatches..and even Y-Wings docking with the Ghost in the ventral cargo bay and the side airlocks.. so given that we also saw the Falcon docked with the Frigate in the spine..it can probably also dock fighters there Imperials do that as well.. Arquitens could carry 3 fighters in the nose "maw" section and were seen docking shuttles in the side airlocks.. and the Gozanti transport can carry 4 TIE Fighters
And it's worth noting that it'd be easier with Ties because of their docking hatches and that X-wings (and similar) shouldn't ever have to attach to a ship since the only real use attaching to a ship would have would be for hyperspace jumps (or refuel/resupply but honestly if you have one of these as a the only vessel that can do that you deserve the extra hassle)
The Nebulon B's hangar space was proposed to be located beneath the main hull in some of those "pods" This compliment wasn't standard practice, but due to the modularity of the class, it could easily be converted into a light carrier in addition to its other main duties. The entirety of the below-hull area was modular. The Redemption used these spaces for medical theaters and other hospital amenities. It follows then that these pods could be equipped for starfighter operation, though it's difficult to see how on the standard class model.
Possible future match-ups 1: Dreadnought class cruiser vs Carrack class cruiser Keldabe-class battleship vs Victory II class Star Destroyer MC140 Scythe vs. Imperial I class Star Destroyer. Or if we want to try out some starfighters: Z-95 Headhunter vs Tie Interceptor StarViper vs. T65 X-wing More exotic which was a better bomber. Y-wing vs. Skipray Blastboat
The Carrack based on the size of it, to the size of the dreadnought, is just outclassed. I don't really see that as a fight, more like a slaughter. However, I could see the Carrack vs Gozanti, or Dreadnought vs. a rebel Assault Ship Mk.I.
So would it be pronounced like “Ark-tens” because you cannot make a proper Q noise if a T has to follow with nothing in between. Or would it be pronounced like “Ar-cue-tens”
+EckhartsLadder According to the EU continuity, the hanger is used to be at the sides of the front segment on the ship where it is right besides the bridge of both segments of the Nebulon B. This fact was taken by the game SW Battlefront: Elite Squadron as you could clearly see in the gameplay. Even though, it might not be canon, this kind of hangar - visible Nebulon B would always be the greatest explanation to me.
I think the Nebulon B's hanger entrance is what we saw the large window in the medical frigate variant have. Take out the glass and replace it with a force field for the windows on both sides, and you have space for a Tie fighter or A wing to be deployed, and the medical bay on the hospital ship was likely using the hanger space since the ship is otherwise clearly still armed. We also saw the Falcon latched onto the ship under its thin vulnerable area, so its also possible that was used for larger ships such as Tie bombers or Y wings.
Yeah, If I recall, in the X-Wing games, the Neb-B had a hangar on the starboard side of the main hull. Which you couldn't see from the shots in the movie. It only showed the port side of the ship.
Yeah in the lore that nebulon b was transformed into a medical frigate so they got rid of fighter space as it wasn’t a combat ship any more replacing them with medical bays
Mon Remonda first of the MC80bs literaly was not far off a match for the Super Star Destroyer Iron Fist that would be so unfair, much less fair than the MC80 vs Venitor, the Victory would not stand any chance. An Imperial II Star Destroyer may have a chance against an MC80b but probaly not.
Tyber Zann's aggressor-class star destroyer named the merciless vs a Imperial -class star destroyer. chose the imperial 1 because it reflects thrawns star destroyer, and there rivalry through empire at war.
I think the Arquitens is a lot closer to the same size as the Nebulon B. The Arquitens' turbolasers are clearly visible and presumably much larger than anything on the Nebulon B. If the Arquitens is the same size of the Nebulon B, I would say it's actually much better defensively, since it does not have a very vulnerable spar like the Neb B and its turrets seem to have a much fuller arc. Also, the Arquitens is going to be much faster, since the Neb B is very slow for its size. Canon has changed so much so I don't know if this is still canon, but the Nebulon B was designed to escort convoys, not fight in a pitched battle. Only the Rebel Alliance deliberately used them that way. The Arquitens has been shown to carry a very small number of fighters between the pincers, so it's not completely lacking in fighters. I do not know where the Nebulon B could keep fighters, but I always assumed its strange appearance had to do with the fact there was once a larger structure along the spar which acted as a hanger bay. Since the Rebels used it as a medical frigate, I assume they had that area removed. As shown, there is no room for any more than a tiny hangar bay of maybe two or four TIE fighters on it. Using the image of the medical bay with Luke and Leia at the end of Empire, you can see that hanger would have to be very narrow to fit in the front, or extremely shallow to fit in the stern. In short, I think the Nebulon B could destroy the Arquitens, but I think there are much, much closer to even than you have said in this video. The Nebulon B just has too many flaws to make it an excellent escort in a fleet battle. The Arquitens isn't so good for that purpose either, but at least it doesn't have as fragile of a hull.
Darraghdude Gaming I would like to see the resurgent class, but the home one is simply outclassed here. A better match would be the praetor from legends
Jeff Vader is correct, home one is simply outclassed here. Resurgent-class Battlecruiser is 2.9km and Home One is 1.2km. And RCB is a lot more advance. it might able to hold against two or three Home Ones.
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the Nebulon B had a hanger bay right where the giant window that Luke was looking out of was. The Redemption was modified to become a medical frigate and lost its ability to carry fighters in favor of the medical wards. I believe the model you had on display is that of the Redemption.
To give an answer to your question, what I've heard about the Nebulon-B hanger space is that it would be located where the surgery suite is on the medical version. the view port would be enlarged to allow fighters to fit through but the location is basically the same. The ship wouldn't have much space inside for fighters even if it was configured to carry them but that is where the hanger would most likely have been. Plus is probably had more docking ports along the central connecting spar like the one used for the Millennium Falcon but work closer to that of the Gozonti-class cruisers. Also, an interesting match up might be the Victory I-class star destroyer and the Dreadnought-class heavy cruiser
these 2 ships are by far my favorite ships In the series. I really like those designs and the fact that they can pact a punch for such small ships. this video was long Over due.
The Nebulon B we see in the movies was converted to a medical frigate so it was likely that the hangars were removed or converted to make space for more medical facilities. Sadly people have been using the Medical frigate variant as the model for all Nebulon B since the movies. They really should have different models for the variants.
This fight isn't as clean cut as you might think, at least depending on the Variant we're talking about. As noted here we're using the Rebel Alliance Nebulon B as opposed to the Imperial Nebulon B., and this makes a *big* difference... as the Rebel Variant are all stripped down versions (typically rebuilt from Mothballed / Scrapped / Incomplete) parts. As such the Rebel Variant actually completely lacks the Ship Hanger and Docking Bay., but does still retain the Emergency Docking Ports on the ventral of the connecting super-structure. This means instead of the 2 Squadrons (24 Tie Fighters), this actually results in a total of 8 Fighter-Class Ships capable of being "Docked" / "Carried". On top of this the Rebel Variant has Smaller Power Generators (specifically, 3x Corellean Generators designed for their Corvette Series Ships... as opposed to Imperial Kuat Generators); this results in their Defector Shields being approx. 40% Strength, and very close to that of the Republic Arquiten-Class Light Cruiser. The reason that the Rebel Alliance were able to get away with using them is the Nebulon-B is a "Fast" Ship., especially by Imperial Standards. Keep in mind that the Imperial 1 Star Destroyer is capable of ~24 MGLT (when focused on speed)., where-as the Nebulon-B (Imperial Configuration) is capable of ~38 MGLT and the Rebel Variant increases that to ~45 MGLT. To put that into perspective., the B-Wing (considered a "Slow" Fighter/Bomber) is capable of ~65 MGLT., but then the Rebelic's Arquiten-Class Light Cruiser is capable of 52 MGLT. And this does come into play when we're talking about Capital Weaponry used in Ship-to-Ship as opposed to Point Defence Weaponry used for Ship-to-Fighter... as tracking for the Capital Weaponry heavily depends on your Target either being very Slow., or your Ship and/or Pilot being very Good. The Nebulon-B is Fast Enough, to greatly reduce the Firepower that an ISD can put out... and it's Shields are heavy enough for the Point-Defence to be less of a concern. It's why the CR-90 Blockade Runner Corvette was also quite popular as it was Small AND Fast., forcing the utilisation of both Point Defence and Fighters while having shields capable of taking a good few Capital Hits. In terms of Weaponry., the VAST majority for the Nebulon-B... due to it's intended role are Fixed, Forward Facing Capital Weapons; with limited (Light) Ship-to-Ship and Point Defence on it's Broadsides. Remember it's an Escort Frigate., it's intended role is as a Glass Cannon supporting Star Destroyers and/or with a Wing of Fighters as support. Where-as the Arquiten Class Cruiser is also intended as a Support Ship … it's more of a Gunboat to protect Republic Carriers (like the Decimator, or Venator Class Cruisers); they're also supposed to run in Wolf-Packs of 3. As such, while they have some Medium Broadside Ship-to-Ship … they have some quite Powerful Dorsal Mounted Capital Guns, which have very good tracking. To complete that they have multiple (with 360 Degree Protection) Point Defence for against Enemy Fighter Craft. Sure A LOT of them were quite easily Destroyed., when they have to slow down to match what they're Guarding; but if deployed as a Hunter-Killer Wolfpack, they were able to make short-work of much more heavily Armed and Protected Ships. While, sure... I'll grant that the Rebel Nebulon-B likely does ultimately have better Shielding., the chance of it being capable of bringing it's full weaponry to bear that would decimate the Arquiten' is VERY unlikely. And here's the thing., once through the Shields; the Nebulon-B (Rebel) is as good as done for... where-as the Arquiten has a lot of Armour Plating., remember it was designed to be in constant skirmishes with CIS Dreadnoughts, Cruisers and Frigates; along with a very Fighter Heavy War., and it helped inform the Tarkin Doctrine (Heavily Armoured and Shielded Destroyers, to make Fighter Warfare somewhat suicidal). I'd personally argue that this fight is more likely 4/10 in favour of the Arquiten' and that's assuming the Nebulon-B (Rebel) is capable of positioning itself well, with it's small Fighter (4-8 X-Wing) causing serious problems., and/or being what actually takes down the Light Cruiser. As I don't think the Nebulon-B really stands much of a chance of taking out the Light Cruiser... of course the Arquiten' taken down the Nebulon-B is also not guaranteed.
1: The arquitens has space for up to 3 Tie interceptors as Seen in Rebels/ 2: The arquitens is smaller and theirby harder to hit/ 3: The nebulon B has a long weakpoint between the front and the back. So it has to be clear that The Arquitens wins
I postulate Nebulon-Bs are designed with optional snap-on fighter racks/pods for the skinny "neck" of the ship. This fell short of a full hangar that could repair and refuel many craft at once (like the Quasar carrier) but was meant to keep smaller craft back behind the armed/armored "bow" while pilots scramble for launch. Rebels rarely had use for these fighter racks due to a) hyperdrive-equipped fighters b) launching them from more expansive Mon-Cal hangars and ground bases c) converting some Neb frigates to lighter-armed med centers. I would argue that fighter complements were NOT standard-issue in Alliance Neb-Bs.
WEG had a pirates & Privateers supplement with a full set of deck plans. If I am remembering correctly it has two hangers and fighters are launched and retrieved by tractor beam so they need no takeoff or landing space.
If you look closely that tube in between the engines and central area that is the hanger bay, some sources also place a second hanger below the bridge. The Nebulon-B that is shown as the medical ship for the rebels in 5 and 6 has removed the hangers in exchange for holding more medical supplies. The window, while not very big in the movies is suggested to be the gate for ships to exit. We have to remember the frigate we see in the movies is highly modified and was built by Kuat drives originally so we can assume that the fighters it would have be careening were tie fighters not x wings.
In the X-Wing series games, the Nebulon-B carried starfighters in a long hangar which was positioned on the largest single chunk of the ship: The top front portion of the ship, the armored area which was just in front of the connecting neck. So in other words, it was on the main part of the hull, all the way at the top above the lower-front arm of "container" modules. I'm not sure if it could realistically fit 2 whole squadrons or 24 fighters, but I've underestimated how much space these ships really provide in their hangars before. The hangar only opened on one side of the hull of the Nebulon-B, so it was possible we couldn't see the hangar on the Redemption. Since it was the medical frigate though, it's also possible they removed the hangar altogether for more bed space and supplies, and had transports bring in the wounded through the dock on the neck like the Falcon used in the final shot. I'm not sure this is canon, but interestingly, in the games, the Nebulon-B was used frequently by both the Rebels and the Empire. It was heavily armed with point defense cannons, missile launchers, and fighters, but not as large and expensive as a full-sized capital ship, and as such it made a good convoy escort. It was just large enough to require a dedicated strike force to defeat, whereas a small cruiser like a Corellian Corvette / Alderaan Cruiser / Blockade Runner could be destroyed by a single starfighter if the pilot didn't just eat all the cannon fire coming at them. So I always thought of the Nebulon-B as a medium economy-sized capital ship mostly devoted to fleet defense against starfighters.
whoo boy, lots of things wrong here right off the bat. 1: the Arquitens class was over 300 meters, not "around 200". 2: the nebulon-b was an escort ship.. not a capital ship. 3: the Arquitens arsenal included four quad turbo laser turrets as well as multiple quad laser turrets.not just four quad laser turrets. 4: the nebulon-b's firepower was primarily concentrated forward, as standard practice in battle was to have it facing the enemy to present the smallest possible target. the arquitens was also faster than the nebulon-b and could presumably out maneuver the frigate. and 5: the arquitens actually DID carry fighters as part of its standard complement. canonically speaking weve seen them carry and deploy 2 TIE fighters, 2 TIE Interceptors, 2 TIE bombers, and have a sentinel class shuttle docked in its forward compartment. over all, i think youve given the arquitens a very bad run of things here with inaccurate information and a lot of guess work rather than actual statistics, which btw you can very easily find on wookiepedia and other sites. im not saying that the arquitens would automatically win here, just that the end result you do have is shadowed by the fact that youre using faulty information.
Agree here. The Arquintens was used in roles like a corvette. In 'Rebels' the ship is taken out by one heavy freighter (The Ghost takes one out on Geonosis in atmosphere/low ground level when it has it's shields up with just it's dual cannons and some torpedoes). The Arquintens seems to have 4 fighters aboard (which won't make a difference. It has four turbolasers, four to eight PD weapons, and a concussion missile launcher. A Nebulon-B has ~ 12 light turbolasers and ~ 20 or so PD weapons. In Legends I'm not aware of any circumstances where a Nebulon-B is taken out by a single heavy ship under normal circumstances (In one of the Wraith Squadron books one is disabled by more than 20 proton torpedoes hitting the weak section of it's hull when it doesn't have shields up). Whereas the Arquintens at battle stations is taken out by the Ghost even with shields.
how the Neb B carried fighters in the TIE fighter games, was a hanger on the upper starboard bow. the hanger was shown to run about 70% of the length of the bow and about a quarter of the height.
In the old X-Wing games from the 90's (which are still available on GoG and Steam), the Neb-B could absolutely carry fighters. The hangar appeared to be a retrofit. The hangar entrance was in the same area as the MedBay window seen in Empire.
Two points: 1. On top of the docks on the side of the light cruiser, it could usually store a pair of ties, including tie defenders, in its crevice. 2. I believe the long bar of the nebulan-b was where it’s fighters and small ships would dock. It’s long so more fighters can dock on it. That said I agree- the light cruiser is outclassed.
Well, it's all opinionated. Personally, the Nebulon-B is my favourite capital ship, at least design-wise. If I had to choose a design that I found to be ugly, I'd have to say I'm not a huge fan of ships with large blocks and bulges protruding out of an otherwise wedge-shaped ship, like the Bellator.
Love your stuff. For the nebulous carrying capacity in some games and books the bow section is shown to have a hanger bay on at least one side. Around large enough to hold 2 Y-wings. It also makes use of an elevator to bring more star-fighters up from deeper inside the ship. Its possible that there is a second hanger on the other side of the ship with the same specs and the rest of the fighters are carried via umbilical. This is all legends of course.
In Expanded Universe books, as well as in LucasArts games, such as TIE Fighter, Nebulon B Frigates are shown carrying 2 Squadrons (24 fighters) of Rebel or Imperial fighters. In game, you see a docking hanger on the dorsolateral aspect of the engineering section behind the thin boom that holds the front and back ends of the ship together. If I remember correctly, it was on the port side, and far enough forward of the engines to allow for believable internal engine component space.
the prevailing theory on Nebulon Bs carrying fighters is having them mounted externally on hardpoints along the narrow midsection, this is supported by the millennium falcon using one such hardpoint to dock with the redemption. one could easily fit 24 starfighters along that midsection, and it makes sense that we don't see fighters on there because the feature was designed with tie fighters in mind.
In the FFG adventure Dead in the Water, there is a detailed schematic of a Nebulon B called the "Shadow Raptor" with both forward and aft hangar bays. Also its access corridor (the big long middle section) allows it to have multiple ships docked to it, including ships the size of the YT1300 freighter. So its fighter craft compliment would be reasonably formidable and could be outfitted to be quite powerful.
Ah - this thread? community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/255062-reporting-nebulon-b-frigate-here/ It's modified art from the cross-section book, Complete Vehicles.
Nebulon B had a hangar in the forward section on the right (Starboard) side. Traditionally, it was designed to carry TIE's on racks, but could be configured to carry other models. I would say far less of other models than of TIE's that can hang neatly on racks, but.. either way yes it had a hangar there.
From playing a PC Flight Sim Series called "Star Wars:X-Wing", the Nebulon-B's hanger was on the Sides of the Upper Front Portion of the Ship. Liberator Cruiser versus Imperial Star Destroyer
The Nebulon B utilizes the advanced adhesive properties of Hyperduct tape to strap it's compliment of fighters onto the thin stick between the crew compartment and the engines. This tactic both gives the fighters plenty of room to take off quickly and gives the Nebulon extra protection on it's weaker portion.
In the Star Wars X-Wing series of games they did have hangers onboard. From what I remember about them the hanger was the upper front portion of the ship in the early sprites. Remember this is the DOS era of PC games, pre Windows 95 OMG! The Nebulon B-2 Frigate the one with 2 downward swooping wings from the Tie Fighter series diffidently had visible hanger doors at the top of the in game model.
I believe the hanger is the large window section where Luke gets in hand in Empire. That ship was a specialised medical frigate so it's hanger was converted.
in some views you can see a hanger and I guess it could also attach fighter along the long central skinny shaft that runs from the aft to the forward section like we saw the Millennium Falcon attach.
I remember reading from multiple sources that Nebulon B frigates carried the fighters on the outside of the ship, specifically on the "weak spot," the long pylon between the engine section and the front of the ship. There was some comic that showed the fighters flying out of a hangar in the ship but this was not considered canon and was likely a misunderstanding by the artist. Granted that this is not a good way to carry the fighters as their maintenance is either impossible or at least difficult. It works if the ship would return to base and have the fighters dock there for refueling and maintenance between missions but that would mean that a Nebulon B that is on a longer mission will have massive problems in taking care of the fighters it is carrying.
Let us not forget about the overhead clamp that was within the hangar, which meant that 1 small freighter, like the Millennium Falcon, could be stored, meaning an extra fighter, and I did do my research.
I remember in an old marvel star wars comic about the Imperial super weapon The Tarkin. Luke's x wing docked with a nebulon B frigate via a hatch underneath the weak mid section
when it comes to the nebulon-b's fighter capacity I go off the description it had in one of the books, it was designed by the imperials to be a light patrol frigate and had the capacity to hold 2 TIE-fighters, one in its port and starboard hangers respectively, these were however usually retrofitted by the rebel alliance to perform other tasks such as medical facilities. this accommodates the fact that yeah they could bring fighters just not the shier number they apparently could even though in the films they look so small. honestly though they were great ships, like one of my favourite vessels in star wars lore, but my favourite capital ship is still the venator, I just love that ship
The specs of the Arquitens are much better than what you stated, so having the much faster Arquitens ram the middle section and twisting the hull in a maneuver I call “The Alligator Boogalo,” severely damaging the Arquitens but snapping the Nebulon in half
With the Nebulon B Frigate, it'd likely depend on the model. As the medical frigate, as seen in Empire Strikes Back had been altered so that it carried no fighters in order to make room for the additional medical bays... That would lead to one guess in that in an unaltered Nebulon B, IE one the Rebels stole from Kuat Drive Yards fresh off the shipyards, that that large window seen in Empire Strikes Back was where the ship's hanger would be and that an unaltered ship would have a larger opening and that that hanger deck spanned the width of the ship... though that is speculative and an internal hanger would also have to extend from there into the bow and potentially even having multiple levels... given the size of the Millennium Falcon seen in Empire Strikes Back. And while X-Wings and Y-Wings are smaller than the Millennium Falcon... it isn't by enough that 20+ would fit in the bow section of the Frigate... It is also possible that maybe that open "spine" area of the ship was to be the ship's hanger. As most source books state that the Nebulon B was stolen from the Empire, it's possible that that spine was to be an external TIE hanger that could be accessed in a fight and deployed as needed in a way similar to how the Millennium Falcon was docked at the end of Empire Strikes Back. The next possible guess is that the spine is where most of the ship's engines are, and what you see at the rear of the ship are its exhaust and thrust nozzles that don't take up that much space and that rear area of the ship, particularly in Nebulon Bs NOT altered for medical service is simply filled with layered hangers that are not shown, as the model used for the Nebulon B that is shown IS the modified medical frigate... and that includes all the drawings of the Nebulon B in the source books, so we really don't know what a un-modified Nebulon B actually looks like... The last possible thing is that in reality, the Nebulon B did not have the capacity for 20+ fighters and that some EU writer gave the Nebulon B fighters without any understanding how the ship would be able to store them...
Nebulons used that thin portion to dock fighters along with a small hanger on the side of the ship I believe. Also I think the Arquitens can carry some fighters into combat as seen in Rebels. It was used to deploy 3 interceptors vs a GR-75 and A-wing escorts.
To my knowledge the Neblion B has gone back and forth having hangerbay capacity along the forward section and along the 'spine'. I like to envision a similar situation (along the spine of the Nebulon B) in Rebels and how the A-wings dock with CR90s. In Empire we see the Falcon attached to the 'spine' and that Nebulon was refitted to act as a medical frigate, whereas normally the viewport we see Luke, Leia, R2, and 3PO was part of the hanger bay.
The only thing that comes to mind to answer your question about the Nebulon-B's carrying capacity is how the ship was depicted in the older X-Wing PC game series. Those gave the Nebulon-B a large hanger along one side (Starboard in the game Tie Fighter) from which it could launch. Admittedly, I have not seen this included in any other depiction of the ship.
considering the ship acted as a medical vessal it presumably had dedicated hangar space, im thinking the spine section held space for several shuttles or small freighters, swapping it up for a dedicated combat carrier think the overal space would be easily large enough for 4 wings of fighters / bombers. with C&C at the forward section, all engine controls at the aft. the ventral pods are likely some combination of modular pops and dedicated living quarters. thats how i've always felt the ship worked.
the Nebulon B frigates weapons were primarily pointing forward so if they Arquitens just got under it could blast out the middle critically damaging it or destroying it by cutting the connection to the engines
Generally,, a frigate is smaller and more lightly armed than a cruiser (even a light cruiser). So in the frigate vs cruiser contest, it shouldn’t be any question: frigate gets it butt spanked. But Star Wars plays fast and loose with ship classifications
The Nebulon B is ok as a luxury ship, or some anti-pirate cruiser. The very long, very skinny "neck" is a staggeringly massive design flaw for a major ship. That kind of a weak point would always attract the majority of incoming fire. If you cut a ship in half, they are very likely to lose the fight. If you create a ship with a giant, very weakly defended, vital point; you are going to have a bad time on a regular basis. Most starfighters would be able to take out a Nebulon B by targeting the neck portion of the hull. It wouldn't even take a very powerful ship to take advantage of such a serious design flaw.
In the video game Rogue Squadron, fighters were able to dock along the bottom of the slim part of the Nebulon B Frigate, but it does not look like 12-24 fighters can fit along that part. My theory is some fighters can dock along the slim part and there is some small fighter bays on the Nebulon B.
I think the Nebula B did carry fighters and had a hanger bay and lean more that it can hold a full two squadrons (24) of fighters/Bombers. I could see it having X-Wings/ Y-Wings/ A-Wings. I do like the Republic light cruiser, but agree that the nebula-B would wipe the floor one on one. I even think the Nebula-B could take on two Republic light cruisers without much hardship with its fighter squadrons and it would take upwards of three Republic light cruisers to take out the Nebula-B and its fighter squadrons
Couple possibilities for where the fighters come from on the Neb-B....if you stop at 4:29 and look back towards the Spire(between the main section and the drive section) you will see a black area that looks like how they set up the launch bays in the prequel series on some of the ships. I would guess there is a similar one on the other side of the ship. Theres the possible launch bay. Also to further go towards the tactical side of the Neb-B, and something not mentioned. It could dock other relatively large vessels in just behind its main section just under the spire. As seen in the Empire strikes back when a YT-1300F class freighter was able to dock with a neb-b....a ship thats just under 35 meters long.
I remember the Nebulon launching fighters in the Xwing video game, always thought the hangar was somewhere on the side of the main section. Maybe it opens and closes..
if you watch the mandolorian you can see that the arquitens actually can carry fighters internally, it has a hanger right in the middle of it's two "arms" also, if you play project stardust on Roblox you can actually have those two ships go head-to-head. and again: also, I love you and your videos!!
I think the Nebulon B carried them attached to the outer hall like how Gozanti class freighters could carry TIE fighters him on air locks and how CR-90s could carry A Wings on docking clamps.
cloud car vs eclipse class dreadnought
Yes
I think Cloud Car would win
Lachlan Haack only if it has the high ground
I know this is a year later and all, but this actually made me laugh out loud. Thank you good sir.
As long as its in range of the main bridge
The cloud car have a hyperdrive? because if it has...
The Arquitens is actually 325 meters long, which makes it longer than the Nebulon-B. Both are actually escort ships, contrary to the idea that the Nebulon-B was used for front line combat while the Arquitens wasn't; and both carry a squadron or two of fighters externally.
The real fight comes down to positioning. The Arquitens is faster and more maneuverable, but one thing that was forgotten is that the Nebulon-B is equipped with 2 tractor beams (which won't be able to stop the Arquitens, but could slow it down). The Nebulon-B primarily has its weapons facing forward, with only 3 turbolasers on each side, plus the connecting spar is a notable weak point. And while the Arquitens has only 4 turbolasers on each side, I would assume they're a slightly larger model.
Coming in from a distance, the Nebulon-B would have the initial advantage, and would do well at keeping the Arquitens in its frontal arc. If the Arquitens can close the range, which it will do eventually as long as it lives, it could probably expect to turn the tide very quickly.
This fight is much closer than you give it credit for.
while the arquitens was used for escort during the clone wars by the time of the empire it was set to patrol duty. i do feel that the nebulon has the advantage unless it is flanked by the arquitens and allows a shot to its spar.
gigastrike2 what if the arquinten just rammed the nebulon in its weak piont wouldnt that be enough to cripple if not destroy the nebulon
It ia also worth noting that 12 X-wings or a mix of X-wings and Y-wings provides the Neb-B a huge advantage over a squadron of TIE fighters. So while the Arquitens may be able to bring fire and do serious damage if it gets close... we have seen a group of 3 Y-wings or even a single X-wing do significant damage to a ISD while we have never seen a TIE do anything more than superficial damage to a capitol ship.
I love TIE Fighter the game btw so I think a squadron of TIE's would be able to make a Neb-B seriously scared but since an X-wing can reasonably challenge 2 or even 3 TIE Fighters I think this battle is won by fighters not ships.
I wish.
You're a tiny bit wrong. The Aqruitens-class had 4 anti-starfighter cannons, 2 on each side, and 2 anti-ship turbo lasers, both on top. It's extremely out gunned.
I could've sworn that I saw a Star Wars Rebels episodes where it showed that the Arquitens class at least during the Galactic Civil War era could carry two TIE Bombers in between the prongs of the ship
That was the later variant, the Arquitens Command Cruiser, which had upgraded weapons, tech, etc...
i love Eck but he messed this one up real bad. 10/10 for the Neb B no way
@@battlefieldcustoms873 It depends what variant, but its a lot closer than that I think.....
Alice Conroy 10/10 is just crazy. The Neb B is not really a dedicated warship where as the Light cruiser is designed for front line work. Remember the Republic designed the Arquitens for front line battle against the CIS where the Empire designed the Neb B to swat away rebels and pirates. this match up is a misfire for sure. 6/10 Arquitens
AH and I just remembered this thing is 300 meters is does not land on the surface so It needs more then docking tubes there is no way it does not have at least a small shuttle hanger.
Just say you are an Arquitens class diehard fanboy so Arquitens SHOULD win 10/10 ok? The original Arquitens light cruiser is outgunned and can carry fewer fighters (just 3 TIEs), even the sensor system is just medium-range in contrast to the long-range sensor aboard Neb-B. For modified Arquitens, it is already ruled out in this video for fairness (original vs original).
The Arquitens has 4 quad turbolaser turrets (16 in total) and 4 quad laser canons (16 too), it's faster and can carry up to 3 TIEs (in Rebels has Defenders, Bombers, Fighters, Interceptors and even a Lambda Lander) in the bow bay. I don't know if an Arquitens can defeat a Nebulon B, but 10/10 victories for the Nebulon B seems too much for me.
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I second this. Thanks to quad batteries, it outguns the Nebulon in both point defense and turbolasers, and it has missile launchers as standard as well. This is not as easy of a fight for the Nebulon to win as the video makes it appear.
If it could stay out of the way of the nebulons tractor beams I don’t see how it couldn’t outmaneuver the nebulon b and destroy it from
The rear.far more manoeuvrable after all and more structurally sound then the verry silly nebulous b design
You have the wrong arquitens in mind.The one shown and in battle is the Republic arquitens which would have older, worse techknoledgy.
@@mysterious7304 it would of been more fair for him to use the imperial variant anyways. Arquitens should win at least 6/10
@@albert-johnfreeman1484 it actually doesn't, it has dual turbolasers not quad. It has quad laser cannons.
Slave 1 Vs Millennium Falcon
Well they are both highly customized ships that were flown by popular characters.
nice to see another rwby fan
Spencer Bergstrom did someone say RWBY?
Like this but think the Millennium Falcon win handily.
Sinsystems
The Millenium Falcon is also a gun
I have a question: could an interdictor stop or slow down the starkiller lasers because they travel trought hyperspace
Roccaraso that's a good question
Roccaraso I'm not familiar with the make-up of Starkiller's main weapon, but assuming that the projectile has mass, it would stand to reason that it could work. In theory, anyways.
You'd have to have an interdictor stationed within the firing line of Starkiller Base, which would require you to know exactly where it is and what its target will be. Throw in the fact that the main weapon scatters to multiple targets, and the variables increase the difficulty of countering it exponentially.
Considering the beams appear to have a hyperspace class of something like -20 since they can cross the entire galaxy in seconds it could be reasoned that they would pass to quickly for an interdictor to be in the correct place within reason
i think that the interdictor destruction its obvious, if the interdictor slow down the laser beam
or simply position a "sphere" formation of interdictors around the solar system, if not interdictors ships, stations like the gravity well generator in star wars empire at war, that would be a very good mean of defence for a solar system if used in coop with defence stations and small fleets at each "interdictor station"
Regarding Neb-B fighter compliment: I know in Legends, at least, it was an Imperial-designed ship. My guess is that the middle-section was designed to hold fighter racks that were not a full maintenance hangar. This is an ESCORT frigate, to accompany heavier star destroyers or more vulnerable craft like tankers and supply convoys. When TIEs needed heavier refueling/repairs, they would use the escorted ships. The Rebels did away with those fighter racks that were built specifically for TIEs. If they ever did modify the racks to carry their own, we wouldn’t have seen it on a medical frigate.
Oh dear god... I have very little respect for the ‘medical frigate’ after it died over and over in rogue squadron 3
Assault Frigate Mk. 2 versus Munificent Class Frigate.
EckhartsLadder Thanks. Hey, that's what the bell notification is for.
seems very one sided. the Munificent had terrible shielding and poor armament while the Assault frigate had superb shielding and a much heavier armament
LORDOceanus Not necessary. In the early war, yes, because they were not built for war, but were later retrofitted with more guns and automatic systems. Also, they were able to knock out Venators, and carry a decent fighter and bomber compliment, giving it an edge over the Mk. 2.
Maybe the dreadnaught class heavy cruiser?
GeneralZ I was thinking that, but a more suited battle is against a Victory 1 or 2.
I think the Nebulon B would have some carying capacity for strarfighters, though I also think 2 squadrons is pushing it. It does say about the medical frigate that the majority of it's hanger space was retrofitted to hospital space, so one could even assume that in a standard Nebulon B, the room that Luke, Leia and the droids watch the Millennium Falcon depart at the end of Empire could very well be a hanger.
no 2 is the standard set.
I think the fighters would attach along the midsection, as that was where the Falcon docked to it in episode 5. It allows rapid deployment. You don't really see fighters docked, because the Rebellion would usually have them fly in themselves. It helped with the whole "Hit and run" tactic to have your fighters already there, as opposed to the extra time in deploying them one by one.
yeah.. in Rebels we have seen A-Wings and other fighters dock with Corvettes (each Corvette could carry 3 fighters) in the acess hatches..and even Y-Wings docking with the Ghost in the ventral cargo bay and the side airlocks.. so given that we also saw the Falcon docked with the Frigate in the spine..it can probably also dock fighters there
Imperials do that as well.. Arquitens could carry 3 fighters in the nose "maw" section and were seen docking shuttles in the side airlocks.. and the Gozanti transport can carry 4 TIE Fighters
How do fighters dock, anyway? The Falcon has entries that might fit an airlock, but fighters?
germanvisitor2 probably a flexible umbilical that engulfs the whole cockpit.
That sounds awkward but practical.
And it's worth noting that it'd be easier with Ties because of their docking hatches and that X-wings (and similar) shouldn't ever have to attach to a ship since the only real use attaching to a ship would have would be for hyperspace jumps (or refuel/resupply but honestly if you have one of these as a the only vessel that can do that you deserve the extra hassle)
The Nebulon B's hangar space was proposed to be located beneath the main hull in some of those "pods" This compliment wasn't standard practice, but due to the modularity of the class, it could easily be converted into a light carrier in addition to its other main duties. The entirety of the below-hull area was modular. The Redemption used these spaces for medical theaters and other hospital amenities. It follows then that these pods could be equipped for starfighter operation, though it's difficult to see how on the standard class model.
Possible future match-ups
1: Dreadnought class cruiser vs Carrack class cruiser
Keldabe-class battleship vs Victory II class Star Destroyer
MC140 Scythe vs. Imperial I class Star Destroyer.
Or if we want to try out some starfighters:
Z-95 Headhunter vs Tie Interceptor
StarViper vs. T65 X-wing
More exotic which was a better bomber.
Y-wing vs. Skipray Blastboat
The Carrack based on the size of it, to the size of the dreadnought, is just outclassed. I don't really see that as a fight, more like a slaughter. However, I could see the Carrack vs Gozanti, or Dreadnought vs. a rebel Assault Ship Mk.I.
Arc 170 vs x-Wing
I said the same thing last video
PNB Productions I said the same thing video before that
ARC is role is more like a B-Wing. Heavy duty and Multi-role.
I find your pronounciation of the name 'Arquitens' disturbing...
The 'ui' is silent, and there is no 'n' before the't'!
Not to pile on, but Luchrehulk is such a good name, mispronouncing it is an atrocity.
So would it be pronounced like “Ark-tens” because you cannot make a proper Q noise if a T has to follow with nothing in between.
Or would it be pronounced like “Ar-cue-tens”
@@That_Guy_Ty I pronounce Ar-key-tens, but that's not really based on anything.
@@That_Guy_Ty Arquitens is pronounced Ark-it-ens.
+EckhartsLadder According to the EU continuity, the hanger is used to be at the sides of the front segment on the ship where it is right besides the bridge of both segments of the Nebulon B. This fact was taken by the game SW Battlefront: Elite Squadron as you could clearly see in the gameplay. Even though, it might not be canon, this kind of hangar - visible Nebulon B would always be the greatest explanation to me.
Just one thing: There is no "n" before the "t" in Arquitens. That did throw me off every time ^^
I think the Nebulon B's hanger entrance is what we saw the large window in the medical frigate variant have. Take out the glass and replace it with a force field for the windows on both sides, and you have space for a Tie fighter or A wing to be deployed, and the medical bay on the hospital ship was likely using the hanger space since the ship is otherwise clearly still armed.
We also saw the Falcon latched onto the ship under its thin vulnerable area, so its also possible that was used for larger ships such as Tie bombers or Y wings.
I think the nebulon carried it's fighters (normally) where the nebulon we saw in the films had it's hospital areas...
Yeah, If I recall, in the X-Wing games, the Neb-B had a hangar on the starboard side of the main hull. Which you couldn't see from the shots in the movie. It only showed the port side of the ship.
Yeah in the lore that nebulon b was transformed into a medical frigate so they got rid of fighter space as it wasn’t a combat ship any more replacing them with medical bays
Yeah, on the medical specialist ships I think they turned the fighter hangar into a big hospital area.
ARQUITENS CAPTAIN: _Looks at Nebulon's connecting spar._ "Ramming speed!"
MC80B Star Cruiser vs Victory-class Star Destroyer
Mon Remonda first of the MC80bs literaly was not far off a match for the Super Star Destroyer Iron Fist that would be so unfair, much less fair than the MC80 vs Venitor, the Victory would not stand any chance.
An Imperial II Star Destroyer may have a chance against an MC80b but probaly not.
Tyber Zann's aggressor-class star destroyer named the merciless vs a Imperial -class star destroyer. chose the imperial 1 because it reflects thrawns star destroyer, and there rivalry through empire at war.
A venator class crusier vs a valor class cruiser
I think the Arquitens is a lot closer to the same size as the Nebulon B. The Arquitens' turbolasers are clearly visible and presumably much larger than anything on the Nebulon B. If the Arquitens is the same size of the Nebulon B, I would say it's actually much better defensively, since it does not have a very vulnerable spar like the Neb B and its turrets seem to have a much fuller arc. Also, the Arquitens is going to be much faster, since the Neb B is very slow for its size. Canon has changed so much so I don't know if this is still canon, but the Nebulon B was designed to escort convoys, not fight in a pitched battle. Only the Rebel Alliance deliberately used them that way. The Arquitens has been shown to carry a very small number of fighters between the pincers, so it's not completely lacking in fighters. I do not know where the Nebulon B could keep fighters, but I always assumed its strange appearance had to do with the fact there was once a larger structure along the spar which acted as a hanger bay. Since the Rebels used it as a medical frigate, I assume they had that area removed. As shown, there is no room for any more than a tiny hangar bay of maybe two or four TIE fighters on it. Using the image of the medical bay with Luke and Leia at the end of Empire, you can see that hanger would have to be very narrow to fit in the front, or extremely shallow to fit in the stern.
In short, I think the Nebulon B could destroy the Arquitens, but I think there are much, much closer to even than you have said in this video. The Nebulon B just has too many flaws to make it an excellent escort in a fleet battle. The Arquitens isn't so good for that purpose either, but at least it doesn't have as fragile of a hull.
The first order resurgent class battle cruiser vs home one
Darraghdude Gaming I would like to see the resurgent class, but the home one is simply outclassed here. A better match would be the praetor from legends
Darraghdude Gaming there simply isn't enough info on the resurgent class for a comparison to take place
Darraghdude Gaming
Hmm...
Jeff Vader is correct, home one is simply outclassed here. Resurgent-class Battlecruiser is 2.9km and Home One is 1.2km. And RCB is a lot more advance. it might able to hold against two or three Home Ones.
No - no it is not. They are similar in size.
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the Nebulon B had a hanger bay right where the giant window that Luke was looking out of was. The Redemption was modified to become a medical frigate and lost its ability to carry fighters in favor of the medical wards. I believe the model you had on display is that of the Redemption.
harrower class dreadnought vs victory 1 class star destroyer-
To give an answer to your question, what I've heard about the Nebulon-B hanger space is that it would be located where the surgery suite is on the medical version. the view port would be enlarged to allow fighters to fit through but the location is basically the same. The ship wouldn't have much space inside for fighters even if it was configured to carry them but that is where the hanger would most likely have been. Plus is probably had more docking ports along the central connecting spar like the one used for the Millennium Falcon but work closer to that of the Gozonti-class cruisers. Also, an interesting match up might be the Victory I-class star destroyer and the Dreadnought-class heavy cruiser
these 2 ships are by far my favorite ships In the series. I really like those designs and the fact that they can pact a punch for such small ships. this video was long Over due.
Just have to say man, your videos are what keep me going when college is stressing me out. Keep it up bro!
Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Munificient class Star Frigate
Why not Harrrower-class dreadnought vs Providence-class carrier/destroyer?
maybe sure
Shabow Providence Class *Dreadnought/Destroyer
I think it's basically Providence-class carrier/destroyer> Harrower-class Dreadnaught > Munificient class Star Frigate.
Tyson Sorvig Providence Class Dreadnought and Providence Class Destroyer are two different ships.
The Nebulon B we see in the movies was converted to a medical frigate so it was likely that the hangars were removed or converted to make space for more medical facilities. Sadly people have been using the Medical frigate variant as the model for all Nebulon B since the movies. They really should have different models for the variants.
Providence class Destroyer/Carrier versus MC75 Mon Calamari cruiser
This fight isn't as clean cut as you might think, at least depending on the Variant we're talking about.
As noted here we're using the Rebel Alliance Nebulon B as opposed to the Imperial Nebulon B., and this makes a *big* difference... as the Rebel Variant are all stripped down versions (typically rebuilt from Mothballed / Scrapped / Incomplete) parts.
As such the Rebel Variant actually completely lacks the Ship Hanger and Docking Bay., but does still retain the Emergency Docking Ports on the ventral of the connecting super-structure.
This means instead of the 2 Squadrons (24 Tie Fighters), this actually results in a total of 8 Fighter-Class Ships capable of being "Docked" / "Carried".
On top of this the Rebel Variant has Smaller Power Generators (specifically, 3x Corellean Generators designed for their Corvette Series Ships... as opposed to Imperial Kuat Generators); this results in their Defector Shields being approx. 40% Strength, and very close to that of the Republic Arquiten-Class Light Cruiser.
The reason that the Rebel Alliance were able to get away with using them is the Nebulon-B is a "Fast" Ship., especially by Imperial Standards.
Keep in mind that the Imperial 1 Star Destroyer is capable of ~24 MGLT (when focused on speed)., where-as the Nebulon-B (Imperial Configuration) is capable of ~38 MGLT and the Rebel Variant increases that to ~45 MGLT.
To put that into perspective., the B-Wing (considered a "Slow" Fighter/Bomber) is capable of ~65 MGLT., but then the Rebelic's Arquiten-Class Light Cruiser is capable of 52 MGLT.
And this does come into play when we're talking about Capital Weaponry used in Ship-to-Ship as opposed to Point Defence Weaponry used for Ship-to-Fighter... as tracking for the Capital Weaponry heavily depends on your Target either being very Slow., or your Ship and/or Pilot being very Good.
The Nebulon-B is Fast Enough, to greatly reduce the Firepower that an ISD can put out... and it's Shields are heavy enough for the Point-Defence to be less of a concern.
It's why the CR-90 Blockade Runner Corvette was also quite popular as it was Small AND Fast., forcing the utilisation of both Point Defence and Fighters while having shields capable of taking a good few Capital Hits.
In terms of Weaponry., the VAST majority for the Nebulon-B... due to it's intended role are Fixed, Forward Facing Capital Weapons; with limited (Light) Ship-to-Ship and Point Defence on it's Broadsides. Remember it's an Escort Frigate., it's intended role is as a Glass Cannon supporting Star Destroyers and/or with a Wing of Fighters as support.
Where-as the Arquiten Class Cruiser is also intended as a Support Ship … it's more of a Gunboat to protect Republic Carriers (like the Decimator, or Venator Class Cruisers); they're also supposed to run in Wolf-Packs of 3.
As such, while they have some Medium Broadside Ship-to-Ship … they have some quite Powerful Dorsal Mounted Capital Guns, which have very good tracking.
To complete that they have multiple (with 360 Degree Protection) Point Defence for against Enemy Fighter Craft.
Sure A LOT of them were quite easily Destroyed., when they have to slow down to match what they're Guarding; but if deployed as a Hunter-Killer Wolfpack, they were able to make short-work of much more heavily Armed and Protected Ships.
While, sure... I'll grant that the Rebel Nebulon-B likely does ultimately have better Shielding., the chance of it being capable of bringing it's full weaponry to bear that would decimate the Arquiten' is VERY unlikely. And here's the thing., once through the Shields; the Nebulon-B (Rebel) is as good as done for... where-as the Arquiten has a lot of Armour Plating., remember it was designed to be in constant skirmishes with CIS Dreadnoughts, Cruisers and Frigates; along with a very Fighter Heavy War., and it helped inform the Tarkin Doctrine (Heavily Armoured and Shielded Destroyers, to make Fighter Warfare somewhat suicidal).
I'd personally argue that this fight is more likely 4/10 in favour of the Arquiten' and that's assuming the Nebulon-B (Rebel) is capable of positioning itself well, with it's small Fighter (4-8 X-Wing) causing serious problems., and/or being what actually takes down the Light Cruiser. As I don't think the Nebulon-B really stands much of a chance of taking out the Light Cruiser... of course the Arquiten' taken down the Nebulon-B is also not guaranteed.
how about mc80 vs providence
mc80 liberty*
EckhartsLadder I second this
BB Great I feel that the Victory 1 would be a better match, seeing as how the technology was more advanced, but smaller.
finalizer vs home one
pls EckhartsLadder choose this one
what do you think
1: The arquitens has space for up to 3 Tie interceptors as Seen in Rebels/ 2: The arquitens is smaller and theirby harder to hit/ 3: The nebulon B has a long weakpoint between the front and the back. So it has to be clear that The Arquitens wins
Resurgent class battlecruiser vs praetor class battlecruiser!
Nebulon: *snaps like a Kit Kat*
the venator vs dauntless heavy cruiser
I found this in my recommendation, it’s been 3 years....damn
Great series you started ! I would like to see MC75 vs Victory I class star destroyer
I postulate Nebulon-Bs are designed with optional snap-on fighter racks/pods for the skinny "neck" of the ship. This fell short of a full hangar that could repair and refuel many craft at once (like the Quasar carrier) but was meant to keep smaller craft back behind the armed/armored "bow" while pilots scramble for launch. Rebels rarely had use for these fighter racks due to a) hyperdrive-equipped fighters b) launching them from more expansive Mon-Cal hangars and ground bases c) converting some Neb frigates to lighter-armed med centers. I would argue that fighter complements were NOT standard-issue in Alliance Neb-Bs.
Mc80 vs ISD2
Great match to do.
WEG had a pirates & Privateers supplement with a full set of deck plans. If I am remembering correctly it has two hangers and fighters are launched and retrieved by tractor beam so they need no takeoff or landing space.
See also the Far Orbit Project role play module. You can still find the deckplans online. Only 3 decks for hangar space may not be tall enough though.
Venator vs sith capital ship( I don't know what its name is)
Harrower class dreadnaught was its name I think
Thousands of years apart might be an issue.
benjamin rosen it was the harrower but it's about 3000 yrs or so
If you look closely that tube in between the engines and central area that is the hanger bay, some sources also place a second hanger below the bridge. The Nebulon-B that is shown as the medical ship for the rebels in 5 and 6 has removed the hangers in exchange for holding more medical supplies. The window, while not very big in the movies is suggested to be the gate for ships to exit. We have to remember the frigate we see in the movies is highly modified and was built by Kuat drives originally so we can assume that the fighters it would have be careening were tie fighters not x wings.
Hammerhead vs MC 40 Light Cruiser
This one^^^^
In the X-Wing series games, the Nebulon-B carried starfighters in a long hangar which was positioned on the largest single chunk of the ship: The top front portion of the ship, the armored area which was just in front of the connecting neck. So in other words, it was on the main part of the hull, all the way at the top above the lower-front arm of "container" modules.
I'm not sure if it could realistically fit 2 whole squadrons or 24 fighters, but I've underestimated how much space these ships really provide in their hangars before.
The hangar only opened on one side of the hull of the Nebulon-B, so it was possible we couldn't see the hangar on the Redemption. Since it was the medical frigate though, it's also possible they removed the hangar altogether for more bed space and supplies, and had transports bring in the wounded through the dock on the neck like the Falcon used in the final shot.
I'm not sure this is canon, but interestingly, in the games, the Nebulon-B was used frequently by both the Rebels and the Empire. It was heavily armed with point defense cannons, missile launchers, and fighters, but not as large and expensive as a full-sized capital ship, and as such it made a good convoy escort. It was just large enough to require a dedicated strike force to defeat, whereas a small cruiser like a Corellian Corvette / Alderaan Cruiser / Blockade Runner could be destroyed by a single starfighter if the pilot didn't just eat all the cannon fire coming at them. So I always thought of the Nebulon-B as a medium economy-sized capital ship mostly devoted to fleet defense against starfighters.
Death Star vs center point station
whoo boy, lots of things wrong here right off the bat. 1: the Arquitens class was over 300 meters, not "around 200". 2: the nebulon-b was an escort ship.. not a capital ship. 3: the Arquitens arsenal included four quad turbo laser turrets as well as multiple quad laser turrets.not just four quad laser turrets. 4: the nebulon-b's firepower was primarily concentrated forward, as standard practice in battle was to have it facing the enemy to present the smallest possible target. the arquitens was also faster than the nebulon-b and could presumably out maneuver the frigate. and 5: the arquitens actually DID carry fighters as part of its standard complement. canonically speaking weve seen them carry and deploy 2 TIE fighters, 2 TIE Interceptors, 2 TIE bombers, and have a sentinel class shuttle docked in its forward compartment.
over all, i think youve given the arquitens a very bad run of things here with inaccurate information and a lot of guess work rather than actual statistics, which btw you can very easily find on wookiepedia and other sites. im not saying that the arquitens would automatically win here, just that the end result you do have is shadowed by the fact that youre using faulty information.
Imperial victory class 1 VS MC 75
Agree here. The Arquintens was used in roles like a corvette. In 'Rebels' the ship is taken out by one heavy freighter (The Ghost takes one out on Geonosis in atmosphere/low ground level when it has it's shields up with just it's dual cannons and some torpedoes). The Arquintens seems to have 4 fighters aboard (which won't make a difference. It has four turbolasers, four to eight PD weapons, and a concussion missile launcher. A Nebulon-B has ~ 12 light turbolasers and ~ 20 or so PD weapons. In Legends I'm not aware of any circumstances where a Nebulon-B is taken out by a single heavy ship under normal circumstances (In one of the Wraith Squadron books one is disabled by more than 20 proton torpedoes hitting the weak section of it's hull when it doesn't have shields up). Whereas the Arquintens at battle stations is taken out by the Ghost even with shields.
munificent CIS frigate vs victory 1 or victory 2 class star destroyer
That will be a total rape, the Victory destroyers are far more armed than the Munificent, specially the MK1
how the Neb B carried fighters in the TIE fighter games, was a hanger on the upper starboard bow. the hanger was shown to run about 70% of the length of the bow and about a quarter of the height.
providence class vs star destroyer
In the old X-Wing games from the 90's (which are still available on GoG and Steam), the Neb-B could absolutely carry fighters. The hangar appeared to be a retrofit. The hangar entrance was in the same area as the MedBay window seen in Empire.
Love those games
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Two points: 1. On top of the docks on the side of the light cruiser, it could usually store a pair of ties, including tie defenders, in its crevice. 2. I believe the long bar of the nebulan-b was where it’s fighters and small ships would dock. It’s long so more fighters can dock on it. That said I agree- the light cruiser is outclassed.
Nebulon and Mon Cal ships are probably some of the ugliest ships in the Star Wars universe.
Jared W yeah, it really seems like the original designers rushed there designs out.
Well, it's all opinionated.
Personally, the Nebulon-B is my favourite capital ship, at least design-wise.
If I had to choose a design that I found to be ugly, I'd have to say I'm not a huge fan of ships with large blocks and bulges protruding out of an otherwise wedge-shaped ship, like the Bellator.
Jared W it makes sense cause the rebels couldn't afford a luxury carrier
Well they get the job done don't they?
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Mon Cal ships are made though you know. Gets the job done, and that's the beauty of it.
Love your stuff. For the nebulous carrying capacity in some games and books the bow section is shown to have a hanger bay on at least one side. Around large enough to hold 2 Y-wings. It also makes use of an elevator to bring more star-fighters up from deeper inside the ship. Its possible that there is a second hanger on the other side of the ship with the same specs and the rest of the fighters are carried via umbilical. This is all legends of course.
In Expanded Universe books, as well as in LucasArts games, such as TIE Fighter, Nebulon B Frigates are shown carrying 2 Squadrons (24 fighters) of Rebel or Imperial fighters. In game, you see a docking hanger on the dorsolateral aspect of the engineering section behind the thin boom that holds the front and back ends of the ship together. If I remember correctly, it was on the port side, and far enough forward of the engines to allow for believable internal engine component space.
Back when you couldn't pronounce ship names. You've come a long way since then, been fun to watch.
the prevailing theory on Nebulon Bs carrying fighters is having them mounted externally on hardpoints along the narrow midsection, this is supported by the millennium falcon using one such hardpoint to dock with the redemption. one could easily fit 24 starfighters along that midsection, and it makes sense that we don't see fighters on there because the feature was designed with tie fighters in mind.
In the FFG adventure Dead in the Water, there is a detailed schematic of a Nebulon B called the "Shadow Raptor" with both forward and aft hangar bays. Also its access corridor (the big long middle section) allows it to have multiple ships docked to it, including ships the size of the YT1300 freighter. So its fighter craft compliment would be reasonably formidable and could be outfitted to be quite powerful.
That's a new one on me. I remember the Far Orbit Project deckplans though.
Ah - this thread? community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/255062-reporting-nebulon-b-frigate-here/
It's modified art from the cross-section book, Complete Vehicles.
Nebulon B had a hangar in the forward section on the right (Starboard) side. Traditionally, it was designed to carry TIE's on racks, but could be configured to carry other models. I would say far less of other models than of TIE's that can hang neatly on racks, but.. either way yes it had a hangar there.
From playing a PC Flight Sim Series called "Star Wars:X-Wing", the Nebulon-B's hanger was on the Sides of the Upper Front Portion of the Ship.
Liberator Cruiser versus Imperial Star Destroyer
The Nebulon B utilizes the advanced adhesive properties of Hyperduct tape to strap it's compliment of fighters onto the thin stick between the crew compartment and the engines. This tactic both gives the fighters plenty of room to take off quickly and gives the Nebulon extra protection on it's weaker portion.
In the Star Wars X-Wing series of games they did have hangers onboard. From what I remember about them the hanger was the upper front portion of the ship in the early sprites. Remember this is the DOS era of PC games, pre Windows 95 OMG! The Nebulon B-2 Frigate the one with 2 downward swooping wings from the Tie Fighter series diffidently had visible hanger doors at the top of the in game model.
In the new Thrawn book by Timothy Zahn, the Thunderwasp (Arquitens light cruiser) is said to carry TIE fighters.
I believe the hanger is the large window section where Luke gets in hand in Empire. That ship was a specialised medical frigate so it's hanger was converted.
in some views you can see a hanger and I guess it could also attach fighter along the long central skinny shaft that runs from the aft to the forward section like we saw the Millennium Falcon attach.
I remember reading from multiple sources that Nebulon B frigates carried the fighters on the outside of the ship, specifically on the "weak spot," the long pylon between the engine section and the front of the ship. There was some comic that showed the fighters flying out of a hangar in the ship but this was not considered canon and was likely a misunderstanding by the artist. Granted that this is not a good way to carry the fighters as their maintenance is either impossible or at least difficult. It works if the ship would return to base and have the fighters dock there for refueling and maintenance between missions but that would mean that a Nebulon B that is on a longer mission will have massive problems in taking care of the fighters it is carrying.
The Nebulon B's hangar bays were either a 24 ship hangar, or were retrofitted into a medical bay for the medical version Luke was on.
Let us not forget about the overhead clamp that was within the hangar, which meant that 1 small freighter, like the Millennium Falcon, could be stored, meaning an extra fighter, and I did do my research.
Fitting more than one squadron in is a real struggle.
An A-Wing interceptor versus the Second death star orbital platform?
I remember in an old marvel star wars comic about the Imperial super weapon The Tarkin. Luke's x wing docked with a nebulon B frigate via a hatch underneath the weak mid section
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when it comes to the nebulon-b's fighter capacity I go off the description it had in one of the books, it was designed by the imperials to be a light patrol frigate and had the capacity to hold 2 TIE-fighters, one in its port and starboard hangers respectively, these were however usually retrofitted by the rebel alliance to perform other tasks such as medical facilities. this accommodates the fact that yeah they could bring fighters just not the shier number they apparently could even though in the films they look so small. honestly though they were great ships, like one of my favourite vessels in star wars lore, but my favourite capital ship is still the venator, I just love that ship
Only remember a starboard hangar myself. The Force Unleashed 2 adds more hangars, but it makes the ship too large anyway.
The specs of the Arquitens are much better than what you stated, so having the much faster Arquitens ram the middle section and twisting the hull in a maneuver I call “The Alligator Boogalo,” severely damaging the Arquitens but snapping the Nebulon in half
This needs to get rematched as soon as possible. Especially between the canon and legends variants.
With the Nebulon B Frigate, it'd likely depend on the model. As the medical frigate, as seen in Empire Strikes Back had been altered so that it carried no fighters in order to make room for the additional medical bays...
That would lead to one guess in that in an unaltered Nebulon B, IE one the Rebels stole from Kuat Drive Yards fresh off the shipyards, that that large window seen in Empire Strikes Back was where the ship's hanger would be and that an unaltered ship would have a larger opening and that that hanger deck spanned the width of the ship... though that is speculative and an internal hanger would also have to extend from there into the bow and potentially even having multiple levels... given the size of the Millennium Falcon seen in Empire Strikes Back. And while X-Wings and Y-Wings are smaller than the Millennium Falcon... it isn't by enough that 20+ would fit in the bow section of the Frigate...
It is also possible that maybe that open "spine" area of the ship was to be the ship's hanger. As most source books state that the Nebulon B was stolen from the Empire, it's possible that that spine was to be an external TIE hanger that could be accessed in a fight and deployed as needed in a way similar to how the Millennium Falcon was docked at the end of Empire Strikes Back.
The next possible guess is that the spine is where most of the ship's engines are, and what you see at the rear of the ship are its exhaust and thrust nozzles that don't take up that much space and that rear area of the ship, particularly in Nebulon Bs NOT altered for medical service is simply filled with layered hangers that are not shown, as the model used for the Nebulon B that is shown IS the modified medical frigate... and that includes all the drawings of the Nebulon B in the source books, so we really don't know what a un-modified Nebulon B actually looks like...
The last possible thing is that in reality, the Nebulon B did not have the capacity for 20+ fighters and that some EU writer gave the Nebulon B fighters without any understanding how the ship would be able to store them...
Nebulons used that thin portion to dock fighters along with a small hanger on the side of the ship I believe. Also I think the Arquitens can carry some fighters into combat as seen in Rebels. It was used to deploy 3 interceptors vs a GR-75 and A-wing escorts.
back in x-wing (a game from 1993) when a nebulan-b frigade entered the battle you knew its getting dangerous
To my knowledge the Neblion B has gone back and forth having hangerbay capacity along the forward section and along the 'spine'. I like to envision a similar situation (along the spine of the Nebulon B) in Rebels and how the A-wings dock with CR90s. In Empire we see the Falcon attached to the 'spine' and that Nebulon was refitted to act as a medical frigate, whereas normally the viewport we see Luke, Leia, R2, and 3PO was part of the hanger bay.
The only thing that comes to mind to answer your question about the Nebulon-B's carrying capacity is how the ship was depicted in the older X-Wing PC game series. Those gave the Nebulon-B a large hanger along one side (Starboard in the game Tie Fighter) from which it could launch. Admittedly, I have not seen this included in any other depiction of the ship.
considering the ship acted as a medical vessal it presumably had dedicated hangar space, im thinking the spine section held space for several shuttles or small freighters, swapping it up for a dedicated combat carrier think the overal space would be easily large enough for 4 wings of fighters / bombers. with C&C at the forward section, all engine controls at the aft. the ventral pods are likely some combination of modular pops and dedicated living quarters.
thats how i've always felt the ship worked.
the Nebulon B frigates weapons were primarily pointing forward so if they Arquitens just got under it could blast out the middle critically damaging it or destroying it by cutting the connection to the engines
Generally,, a frigate is smaller and more lightly armed than a cruiser (even a light cruiser). So in the frigate vs cruiser contest, it shouldn’t be any question: frigate gets it butt spanked. But Star Wars plays fast and loose with ship classifications
The Nebulon B is ok as a luxury ship, or some anti-pirate cruiser. The very long, very skinny "neck" is a staggeringly massive design flaw for a major ship. That kind of a weak point would always attract the majority of incoming fire.
If you cut a ship in half, they are very likely to lose the fight. If you create a ship with a giant, very weakly defended, vital point; you are going to have a bad time on a regular basis.
Most starfighters would be able to take out a Nebulon B by targeting the neck portion of the hull. It wouldn't even take a very powerful ship to take advantage of such a serious design flaw.
I always thought the arquitens was very lightly armed, considering its size. Even command cruiser variant, which is over three hundred metres long.
In the video game Rogue Squadron, fighters were able to dock along the bottom of the slim part of the Nebulon B Frigate, but it does not look like 12-24 fighters can fit along that part. My theory is some fighters can dock along the slim part and there is some small fighter bays on the Nebulon B.
Executor-class Star Dreadnought (Super Star Destroyer) vs Resurgent-class Battlecruiser (First Order Star Destroyer)
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If I recall the Rogue Squadron games, there was a practice of external docking ports for fighters
I love the impressive firepower the Nebulon B has for a ship with its size. You can really see that in Star Wars: Empire at War.
Providence class Dreadnought vs Lurcehulk class Battleship, 4th attempt
I think the Nebula B did carry fighters and had a hanger bay and lean more that it can hold a full two squadrons (24) of fighters/Bombers. I could see it having X-Wings/ Y-Wings/ A-Wings.
I do like the Republic light cruiser, but agree that the nebula-B would wipe the floor one on one. I even think the Nebula-B could take on two Republic light cruisers without much hardship with its fighter squadrons and it would take upwards of three Republic light cruisers to take out the Nebula-B and its fighter squadrons
Couple possibilities for where the fighters come from on the Neb-B....if you stop at 4:29 and look back towards the Spire(between the main section and the drive section) you will see a black area that looks like how they set up the launch bays in the prequel series on some of the ships. I would guess there is a similar one on the other side of the ship. Theres the possible launch bay.
Also to further go towards the tactical side of the Neb-B, and something not mentioned. It could dock other relatively large vessels in just behind its main section just under the spire. As seen in the Empire strikes back when a YT-1300F class freighter was able to dock with a neb-b....a ship thats just under 35 meters long.
I remember the Nebulon launching fighters in the Xwing video game, always thought the hangar was somewhere on the side of the main section. Maybe it opens and closes..
if you watch the mandolorian you can see that the arquitens actually can carry fighters internally, it has a hanger right in the middle of it's two "arms"
also, if you play project stardust on Roblox you can actually have those two ships go head-to-head.
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Imagine the Arquitens useing the split in front to snap the Nebulons middle part
I think the Nebulon B carried them attached to the outer hall like how Gozanti class freighters could carry TIE fighters him on air locks and how CR-90s could carry A Wings on docking clamps.