This will never get old. It's a classic that many will revisit over time, again and again, to get a glimpse of these two tech titans. I started with MS-DOS and I am taken down memory lane watching these two reminisce about old times.
@@kshitijsharma3170 I'm solely on MAC OS now 😁 Still have a soft spot for Windows as it's how I started out but Apple ecosystem is ideal for my sort of work now.
the mutual respect & even slightly teary-eyed moments here are beautiful... just heart-warming to see... ironic, talking about hardware & software, but seeing the 2 major people behind so many of our modern innovations, tools, gadgets, etc. & their passion & their souls & spirits... . . . .
The thing about Steve and Bill is that everytime they open their mouth its always something sounds so normal, so basic yet so genius, its always something so easy to understand yet so creative.
@@josephcadiao5751 I have thought about your reply. SpaceX is a great company and did exciting works that revolute our future life. However, it's a little different from the two above. The most obvious and important difference is what SpaceX is doing now is not so close to our daily life. I mean we still cannot take a rocket to outer space as we take an Uber or plane for a daily trip. I just love the way how Apple and Microsoft compete and corporate in old time. In the future, SpaceX maybe compete with Uber for space taxi business and that would be an exciting time.
Probably nothing is exciting because everything is evolving at a very high pace that we barely have the time to dabble before jumping into the next thing, because the previous one was rendered obsoleted so quickly by the new tech, and so we keep rushing and scrambling among the infinite amount of resources these days that I believe we have no time to enjoy any at all; hence why nothing feels particularly exciting in the current technological era. I believe the digital rise took this phenomenon to the next level in terms of amount of overwhelming things - one click or tap away form us - that we're constantly bombarded by, every single second.
The most interesting one and a half hours I have EVER spent watching other people talk. It was good to see how these two tech titans (whom the outside world view as cut-throat rivals) actually have a great appreciation of each other and of their mutual differences.
I am here after watching the biography about Steve Jobs. I knew he was a tech giant. But knowing the path he had throughout his life makes all these video records of Steve Jobs look very different to me now. He did have flaws in certain aspects of his life, like many of us. But it is his legacy that we remember. What a man.
I wonder what he would think about the SteveS manga. Although, I'm sure he would've loved it. It captures his strong personality very well. I miss him. I can't even begin to put into words how much I admire both him and Bill. ❤
Steve was truly a great guy and seeing these two together on stage must be a great deal and the impact they made on the computer industry is huge it has pave the way for computer market as we know it today.
@@Conradt1996 get off Jobs' ballsack and go make your mini airports. The commenter says "Steve was truly a great guy" in a relationship sense. Jobs was clearly great in many ways, but in terms of relationships, no one should envy the man. He was not "great" with other people. He was an a-hole.
I just really hate the fact that Woz didn't and still doesn't get much credit for his work in Apple. Woz was a brillant guy who deserves his part of the credit, imo.
The fact that these guys were both agreeing on SaaS and its counter parts (PaaS, IaaS) as the future of computing just shows how genius these two were/are.
@@somebodysomebodyson Yea one of them created the technology that defines modern day: the modern smartphone and the other bought an OS from a guy (MS DOS) for $50K and resold it to IBM.
well how would jobs know as hes gone to hell for being a mean ass hole in his own words. gates on the other hand has used his money to cure third world diseases so you know were hes going.
Let's invent tomorrow, and not worry about yesterday. - Steve Jobs I think that was they key to taking Apple where it is today, not only the biggest tech company, or biggest company, but the biggest company ever.
Sometimes I think this Apple - Microsoft / Mac - PC competition is one of the smartest (marketing wise) things ever done between 2 entrepeneurs ever done. It served both incredible well with 2 brands that push eachother to devellop constantly. The "are you a mac or a windows person?" thing is what keeps the businesses running for decades. And everyone (both consumers and enterprise market) go full out on it. The iPhone vs Android competition is really the money making machine where Android is now "As expensive" as Apple and no longer the poor man's option only (with Android phones sometimes even more expensive than Apple phones). I should have bought shares in both Apple, Microsoft, Google and Facebook when they were dirt cheap......if only I knew digital tech and social media would be a thing in the 2015-2021.
If you want to fix the AV sync issues, open VLC player. Go to File > Open Network, paste in the video URL. F and G push audio forwards and back on a Mac J and K on Windows. By 40 mins in I pushed the audio 800ms back (-800ms).
This the Real America. Working together, co'operating, to serve people rather than competing. I'm glad I saw this, because it's now my own modle to do business.
Xbox/Xbox one/Xbox one X/Xbox series X/ Elite 2/ Xbox Bluetooth headset iPhone 6s/IPhone 8+/AirPods/Apple Watch series 4/AirPods pro/iPhone 13 Pro Max These two pioneered my favorite tech companies of all time
@@micromis That's not the only difference. Jobs was a visionary; an inventor; while Gates.... yeah he's more the mean business tycoon that knows how to make monopolies rather then an actual good functioning product. He's doing the same with his vaccines and agriculture... but the problem for him is that the vaccine will leave an even more bitter taste in humans then microsoft did. He ain't a doctor and what he's doing with the vaccines he will be remembered as evil; a doctor Mengle. Sure, Steve Jobs was a hork of a personality; but at least he had the benefit of his consumer in mind; Gates doesn't.
@@lucascunha5879 First software? no, it wasn't the first. What it was, is Gates getting into IBM, IBM asked him to talk to the guy that had the software to make the hardware talk to each other and instead of doing that, Gates went and bought a company that ripped off the guy's software and sold it as his own... M-Dos stood for microsoft dirty operating system because of this practice of Gates; it's sad that people don't even know the history of their own time, but here you are!
Such a shame that the male interviewer took so long over indulgent questions. Two great people together on stage, we don’t want to hear from an interviewer, we want to hear from them
That doesn't bother me so much, but the interviewers keep talking over each other and they either have something romantic behind the scenes or they just hate each other. Quite disrespectful
i puzzle the dot and i got you my team ! ! too bad that i had no chance to meet steve job , but bill gates still here , he is my gate for ny dreams while tim cook is still cooking :) its a rhymes on me in my vision since i was 2 years old ! thanks god i hope that canada is gonna bring me to you guys ! this is HYBRID memory of mine because i am the oroginal and they are looking whos the owner of that program that save into software in the hardware of CPU . lovin how i am very active on my memories of 80s in DOS and diskette , Verbatim, and 90s where my work was being appreciated and used by collaboration by building their team , by inspiring to learn more , i am very commited to my work and global Diversity in Canada . leads me to realize my childhood memories ! and connected the dots amd got all the answer . half of my work vision is in the Paper ! ! salute ! for my Heroes in Technology ! you are the legacy ! unique Visionary !
If only Steve would of taking the treatment instead of thinking it wasn’t as serious how he could Of seen how big his company became and by the way how bad was the women interviewer asking questions 😮
Kara has the depth of an above ground swimming pool. “That’s like saying a sweater without sleeves is a vest”… what the hell does that even mean? He’s saying corporate leaks usually come from the bottom, and in Apple it has historically come from Steve not being able to contain his excitement. I’ve understood that since I was like 13. I swear Kara lives just to generate as many awkward and confrontational moments as she can.
14:36 is where you really can understand the fundamental difference between Jobs and Gates (and Apple and Microsoft for that matter). Steve Jobs is a masterful story teller.
Steve is a genius. He is absolutely not insecure when discussing ideas with other people. Such openness, candor and sheer power of articulation provides us with glimpses of how powerful a thinker he was. He perfectly fits the definition of Emerson's "Man Thinking" rather than the "thinking man".
Jobs is not only the greatest CEO, businessman, visionary, etc... but coming from a present day salesman, he is the greatest salesman and marketer I have ever seen in my 13 years as a salesman for a Fortune 200 company
I sit here working on mac deploying my work on a linux box listening to this on a windows 10 machine. Both have contributed greatly to the technology echo system and linux has benefited from both.
two great guys who were nerds that dominated the world, i wish people would stop being the whole apple vs MS because it doesnt really matter as they both have produced shit and both have done great work in different markets
It’s fascinating to look at this interview from the perspective of over 15 years later. Steve is remarkably humble when speaking about the future, saying, ‘I don’t know, and that’s what makes things exciting.’ He could have talked for hours about the truly groundbreaking products he had just announced (e.g., the iPhone), but he chose not to turn the interview into a marketing campaign. Bill, on the other hand, is very vocal and puts a lot of effort into presenting himself as a visionary; yet, the majority of what he discusses has since become either niche or proven irrelevant. With all due respect to Bill-I can’t think of a better example to illustrate the significant gap between these two men than this interview.
It is so fascinating if you listen to them talking about the future and here you are 6 years later and they just imagined it right. That is what vision means. What it means to not just be an entrepreneur but being a visionary.
you have to appreciate what a visionary Jobs was. Gates' 5 year vision was like his own livingroom full of tech gadgets, projectors, screens, gaming consoles etc. Jobs literally predicated 10 years into the future "people need a bunch of new services to better navigate their life". This level of visionary is unbelievable
Apple was, is and is going to be third to any technology. That is their genius. Apple doesn't innovate, it integrates. Even the Apple name and logo were stolen. MP3 players, smart phones, tablets - all products that were developed by others and improved on by Apple. Jobs gets lots of press, but the reality is almost all of Apple's success is from other people's ideas. I am not taking away from Job's abilities or drive - but tech innovation wasn't one of them, product innovation was his talent. However, even at the time of this interview it was Google that had the vision and the leadership in tech. Jobs was always good at making consumer products - which is no small thing BTW. Gates was and is good at understanding emerging technology and how it could be used to build things. Gates, for example, saw the value of the internet very early, in the 1990's, but it was Google that really had the vision, drive, opportunity and anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft to capitalize on it. Today, Apple's ability to leverage networking is primitive and only really directed towards steering customers to Apple consumer services. Microsoft and Google were well on the way to distributed computing 20 years ago. Google and Microsoft are the companies that are really building the future while Apple decides if it's round or square corners with autumn color pastels this year. That is partially because Job's is gone, but also because, as Job notes in the interview, Apple was set up so it didn't play well with others as part of it's corporate culture. Apple's M1 is the big splash in the "tech world". But Microsoft had Windows running on ARM almost 10 years ago. Microsoft had a laptop with a custom designed ARM processor on the market a year before Apple. Microsoft and Google have been pushing the tech world to move to ARM for servers for many years. As usual, Apple is third to the party. That is their genus. Innovation is not.
*Yes Jobs was indeed a visionary since he was the only one THEN to say it, that's right. But that's also precisely the problem to me : what he said was indeed "great" but was only logic for God's sakes !!!!... Why was Steve Jobs the ONLY GUY in those days to see the obvious ?????? That's the real question to me. In other words : in a world of jerks, the reasonably decent guy looks like a visionary all of a sudden !!!!!!*
Ive watched this several times since '07 and it became clear tonight Bill talks about plastic, software settings and sizes, And Steve talks about people... From the most prickly person as described.
what a truly great video, watching this really transport you through time and experience the connection and battle and comradery between these two titans. In 2021 we have Musk vs Bezos.
Strangely? Gates has always been known as a genuinely nice guy in person, and huge philanthropist. Steve Jobs is the one who can very often be mean or rude, or just a total asshole.
Well based on media expectations, geeks & nerds are not considered very attractive as opposed to bad boys or seemingly cooler people like Steve Jobs. & when the US govt went after Microsoft, Gates was seen by a few people as the devil (which is something I never understood). So, against the grain, I find Gates very endearing, very boyish even at his current age.
he's by far the biggest philanthropist in the world.. donated tens of billions of dollars to good causes.. shouldn't be that strange to find him endearing
This will never get old. It's a classic that many will revisit over time, again and again, to get a glimpse of these two tech titans. I started with MS-DOS and I am taken down memory lane watching these two reminisce about old times.
i run both Apple and Windows, and my life is fuller because of it. Love & thanks to both of the pioneers.
thank you! it's so narrow sighted to think like "glory to one, death to the other"
How do you have the time and energy to run not one but two such massive companies?
@@ldplays9431 LOL 😂
Hi it's been 7 years. How is life going on?
@@kshitijsharma3170 I'm solely on MAC OS now 😁 Still have a soft spot for Windows as it's how I started out but Apple ecosystem is ideal for my sort of work now.
I will never forget Steve Jobs calling Bill Gates "Software CEO Number 3".
Lol
He was a real asshole
@@MineCrafterCity Regular employees did not think so (not to be confused with bitter folks Jobs has fired that the media love)
And Bill Gates took it personal
I laughed every time. He said that
its crazy how they can talk for such a long time and still remain relevant in conversation, this is truly incite full and entertaining stuff
the mutual respect & even slightly teary-eyed moments here are beautiful... just heart-warming to see... ironic, talking about hardware & software, but seeing the 2 major people behind so many of our modern innovations, tools, gadgets, etc. & their passion & their souls & spirits... . . . .
enemies in front, best friends behind.
They just compete for the common good
"We've kept our marriage a secret for a while now..." Steve and his sharp wit. lol
What means a sharp wit?
@@luckyapple2655 that obvious and basic tease inside the sentence he quoted is what he thinks is sharp and witty
@@luckyapple2655 It means humorous in a clever way.
The thing about Steve and Bill is that everytime they open their mouth its always something sounds so normal, so basic yet so genius, its always something so easy to understand yet so creative.
You're projecting.
I am watching from a PC and the friend that recommended to me watched from a MAC. The important thing is that we both watched.
Thanks to Google 😂
Thank you so much - all Ingenieurs and workers around the earth 🎉 Thanks for I can see and remember all this history moments again. ❤
I still love that time when Microsoft still led by Gates and Apple still led by Jobs. Now nothing exciting
not even spacex?
@@josephcadiao5751 spacex is good but it’s competition is minimal.
@@josephcadiao5751 I have thought about your reply. SpaceX is a great company and did exciting works that revolute our future life. However, it's a little different from the two above. The most obvious and important difference is what SpaceX is doing now is not so close to our daily life. I mean we still cannot take a rocket to outer space as we take an Uber or plane for a daily trip. I just love the way how Apple and Microsoft compete and corporate in old time. In the future, SpaceX maybe compete with Uber for space taxi business and that would be an exciting time.
Probably nothing is exciting because everything is evolving at a very high pace that we barely have the time to dabble before jumping into the next thing, because the previous one was rendered obsoleted so quickly by the new tech, and so we keep rushing and scrambling among the infinite amount of resources these days that I believe we have no time to enjoy any at all; hence why nothing feels particularly exciting in the current technological era.
I believe the digital rise took this phenomenon to the next level in terms of amount of overwhelming things - one click or tap away form us - that we're constantly bombarded by, every single second.
@@gotchyeaaa Spaces X's competition is CHINA!
The most interesting one and a half hours I have EVER spent watching other people talk. It was good to see how these two tech titans (whom the outside world view as cut-throat rivals) actually have a great appreciation of each other and of their mutual differences.
These two guys molded the way we use computers today. Imagine that. 40 years of personal computers, and visions of two guys dictate how we use them.
Still here watching ! Thanks the uploading this !
Baggy balls You got it! Glad you're enjoying it as much as I did.
I am here after watching the biography about Steve Jobs. I knew he was a tech giant. But knowing the path he had throughout his life makes all these video records of Steve Jobs look very different to me now. He did have flaws in certain aspects of his life, like many of us. But it is his legacy that we remember. What a man.
You both are great creatures on earth, your devotion to IT technology changes peoples life, thank you very very much
I just watched this again; Steve's intellect is remarkable.
Was he big in Japan?
@@Feel_My_UbiquityThink by the mid 90’s he had flown to Japan about 40 times, visiting production lines etc. He went a lot.
I wonder what he would think about the SteveS manga. Although, I'm sure he would've loved it. It captures his strong personality very well.
I miss him. I can't even begin to put into words how much I admire both him and Bill. ❤
Steve was truly a great guy and seeing these two together on stage must be a great deal and the impact they made on the computer industry is huge it has pave the way for computer market as we know it today.
The word great has many meanings. I agree he was great on a lot of levels. But in terms of basic human kindness, he was far from great.
@@samsohn omfg there’s always one
@@Conradt1996 get off Jobs' ballsack and go make your mini airports. The commenter says "Steve was truly a great guy" in a relationship sense. Jobs was clearly great in many ways, but in terms of relationships, no one should envy the man. He was not "great" with other people. He was an a-hole.
I just really hate the fact that Woz didn't and still doesn't get much credit for his work in Apple. Woz was a brillant guy who deserves his part of the credit, imo.
The fact that these guys were both agreeing on SaaS and its counter parts (PaaS, IaaS) as the future of computing just shows how genius these two were/are.
Greatness is the word that defines these two men.
Do not confuse Steve Jobs with bill gates. One of them is a great man and the other is a lowlife.
@@somebodysomebodyson Yea one of them created the technology that defines modern day: the modern smartphone and the other bought an OS from a guy (MS DOS) for $50K and resold it to IBM.
@@somebodysomebodyson ya Steve is great man and you mom is a low life.
steve: bill, do you know there is no wall or fence in heaven. Bill: so. Steve: that means there are no windows or gates
Bill: Well, in heaven the apple is a forbidden fruit, and there are no unemployment nor jobs out there.
Well, Steve would know one way or another ;)
well how would jobs know as hes gone to hell for being a mean ass hole in his own words.
gates on the other hand has used his money to cure third world diseases so you know were hes going.
Union Française Actually apple wasn't the fruit. No where in the fruit story it mentioned an apple, but still hilarious
But getting the Apple will throw us out of The Garden of Eden
The best thing I love about the creations of these two man, is the beautiful friendship they created working together.
2024 Aug, still watching these two legend.
Let's invent tomorrow, and not worry about yesterday. - Steve Jobs
I think that was they key to taking Apple where it is today, not only the biggest tech company, or biggest company, but the biggest company ever.
nobody gonna talk about how the sound doesn't match the video? or is it just me?
it's eerie to hear jobs talk about the iPhone and his predictions for smartphones in general. he was a true visionary
I honestly don't think I have ever felt a more intense rivalry than these two.
I could genuinely listen to these two all day even though i have absolutely no idea what they're saying! ha
Sometimes I think this Apple - Microsoft / Mac - PC competition is one of the smartest (marketing wise) things ever done between 2 entrepeneurs ever done. It served both incredible well with 2 brands that push eachother to devellop constantly. The "are you a mac or a windows person?" thing is what keeps the businesses running for decades. And everyone (both consumers and enterprise market) go full out on it. The iPhone vs Android competition is really the money making machine where Android is now "As expensive" as Apple and no longer the poor man's option only (with Android phones sometimes even more expensive than Apple phones). I should have bought shares in both Apple, Microsoft, Google and Facebook when they were dirt cheap......if only I knew digital tech and social media would be a thing in the 2015-2021.
Someone should really make a movie of the friendship between these two great men
Ok I will
Bill is pragmatic, humble, smart. Steve on the contrary is direct, no frills, straight to the point.
watching from 14:00 is amazing, the way steve jumps in and grips the audience
No it is 40:00
Respect for these two Tech Gurus !!!!!
Anyone else notice that it was the woman who kept trying to bring up the drama in the past?
Solid Snake1019
Ugh, enough with the women this women that. They don't have to walk on eggshells to please some basement dwellers.
you're totally right. she's fully capable of making *herself* look like an idiot in front of the two greatest technological innovators of modern time.
What's your point ? She's an annoying and dislikable person. Her gender doesn't come into that.
we have white knight over here
Looking at the thumbnail I thought he was on a rollercoaster.
What they're talking about is the internet of things, something unimaginable in 2007, who's potential has yet to be fully realized.
got a windows PC and an iphone and my life is all the better as a result of this, thank you to these two amazing men and thier wonderful inventions
33:38
It's interesting that Steve was able to predict Android's compatibility with different hardware manufacturers
If you want to fix the AV sync issues, open VLC player. Go to File > Open Network, paste in the video URL. F and G push audio forwards and back on a Mac J and K on Windows. By 40 mins in I pushed the audio 800ms back (-800ms).
By about 60 mins it's at -1300ms
+Luke Hero how do you do it on chromebook
Luke Michalowski
Just google what the keyboard shortcuts are for ChromeOS to change audio sync. Or just hit all the keys until it happens.
Best part of Gates-Jobs interaction: 28:04
This the Real America. Working together, co'operating, to serve people rather than competing. I'm glad I saw this, because it's now my own modle to do business.
almost every single thing she has said has been swiftly corrected or silenced by her co host for being plain moronic.
Xbox/Xbox one/Xbox one X/Xbox series X/ Elite 2/ Xbox Bluetooth headset
iPhone 6s/IPhone 8+/AirPods/Apple Watch series 4/AirPods pro/iPhone 13 Pro Max
These two pioneered my favorite tech companies of all time
Gates: "So Woz and I were working on ..."
Jobs: "Let me tell the story ..."
Gates (thinking): "Man now I remember why I hate that guy"
Frankly, Jobs was always the better storyteller. Gates can't even pronounce 'microprocessor" correctly. (it's 5 syllables, Bill! :)
@@micromis That's not the only difference. Jobs was a visionary; an inventor; while Gates.... yeah he's more the mean business tycoon that knows how to make monopolies rather then an actual good functioning product. He's doing the same with his vaccines and agriculture... but the problem for him is that the vaccine will leave an even more bitter taste in humans then microsoft did. He ain't a doctor and what he's doing with the vaccines he will be remembered as evil; a doctor Mengle. Sure, Steve Jobs was a hork of a personality; but at least he had the benefit of his consumer in mind; Gates doesn't.
@@stijnvdv2 so the first software didn't require any vision? Cool
@@lucascunha5879 you say that like Jobs didn't ever have any software created for his machines..... like mac os, iOS,
@@lucascunha5879 First software? no, it wasn't the first. What it was, is Gates getting into IBM, IBM asked him to talk to the guy that had the software to make the hardware talk to each other and instead of doing that, Gates went and bought a company that ripped off the guy's software and sold it as his own... M-Dos stood for microsoft dirty operating system because of this practice of Gates; it's sad that people don't even know the history of their own time, but here you are!
It's almost terrifying that how correct Bill was about the future.
Such a shame that the male interviewer took so long over indulgent questions. Two great people together on stage, we don’t want to hear from an interviewer, we want to hear from them
That doesn't bother me so much, but the interviewers keep talking over each other and they either have something romantic behind the scenes or they just hate each other. Quite disrespectful
..and he had the guts telling the other interviewer "let them talk"
Either die a hero like Steve or live long enough to become a villian like Bill.
Look this in 2013, and you really understand how awesome and genius these guys are, and sadly were.
looking this in 2021!
watching in 2021
MY INSPIRATION SINCE I WAS BORN ! electronic techology is ART with colorful vision and mission in human history !
i puzzle the dot and i got you my team ! ! too bad that i had no chance to meet steve job , but bill gates still here , he is my gate for ny dreams while tim cook is still cooking :) its a rhymes on me in my vision since i was 2 years old ! thanks god i hope that canada is gonna bring me to you guys ! this is HYBRID memory of mine because i am the oroginal and they are looking whos the owner of that program that save into software in the hardware of CPU . lovin how i am very active on my memories of 80s in DOS and diskette , Verbatim, and 90s where my work was being appreciated and used by collaboration by building their team , by inspiring to learn more , i am very commited to my work and global Diversity in Canada . leads me to realize my childhood memories ! and connected the dots amd got all the answer . half of my work vision is in the Paper ! ! salute ! for my Heroes in Technology ! you are the legacy ! unique Visionary !
Sad that Steve Jobs had to go so soon , you can tell he was so excited & looking forward to the future and what he had planned
It's a shame this interview couldnt happen again now after the success of ipod, ipad, and iphone success.
7:41 when teacher calls me to explain something .
Baggy balls Hilarious. You win comment of the week. 😂
If you look at Gates, you see the math genius, if you look at Jobs, you see the entrepreneur...
5:40 *crowd applauds* Bill:"we are also very excited about Inter Explorer..." *crowd stops applauding*
That big smile on steve jobs face after seeing bill is just priceless. Those were the dayss
If only Steve would of taking the treatment instead of thinking it wasn’t as serious how he could
Of seen how big his company became and by the way how bad was the women interviewer asking questions 😮
It's not about money. It's all about passion, progress and innovation. Respect mr Steve.
Ya rgt,he was never after the money.
They were never enemies, just competitors.
Steve got it right when he said they both were at the right place at the right time. They were at the forefront of the personal computers revolution.
UA-cam : let's recommend this after 9 years
Kara has the depth of an above ground swimming pool. “That’s like saying a sweater without sleeves is a vest”… what the hell does that even mean?
He’s saying corporate leaks usually come from the bottom, and in Apple it has historically come from Steve not being able to contain his excitement.
I’ve understood that since I was like 13. I swear Kara lives just to generate as many awkward and confrontational moments as she can.
I respect and admire so much these men!
14:36 is where you really can understand the fundamental difference between Jobs and Gates (and Apple and Microsoft for that matter). Steve Jobs is a masterful story teller.
Steve is a genius. He is absolutely not insecure when discussing ideas with other people. Such openness, candor and sheer power of articulation provides us with glimpses of how powerful a thinker he was. He perfectly fits the definition of Emerson's "Man Thinking" rather than the "thinking man".
Jobs is not only the greatest CEO, businessman, visionary, etc... but coming from a present day salesman, he is the greatest salesman and marketer I have ever seen in my 13 years as a salesman for a Fortune 200 company
I sit here working on mac deploying my work on a linux box listening to this on a windows 10 machine. Both have contributed greatly to the technology echo system and linux has benefited from both.
two great guys who were nerds that dominated the world, i wish people would stop being the whole apple vs MS because it doesnt really matter as they both have produced shit and both have done great work in different markets
It’s fascinating to look at this interview from the perspective of over 15 years later. Steve is remarkably humble when speaking about the future, saying, ‘I don’t know, and that’s what makes things exciting.’ He could have talked for hours about the truly groundbreaking products he had just announced (e.g., the iPhone), but he chose not to turn the interview into a marketing campaign. Bill, on the other hand, is very vocal and puts a lot of effort into presenting himself as a visionary; yet, the majority of what he discusses has since become either niche or proven irrelevant. With all due respect to Bill-I can’t think of a better example to illustrate the significant gap between these two men than this interview.
It is so fascinating if you listen to them talking about the future and here you are 6 years later and they just imagined it right.
That is what vision means. What it means to not just be an entrepreneur but being a visionary.
Thanks a lot for this wonderful video
you have to appreciate what a visionary Jobs was. Gates' 5 year vision was like his own livingroom full of tech gadgets, projectors, screens, gaming consoles etc. Jobs literally predicated 10 years into the future "people need a bunch of new services to better navigate their life". This level of visionary is unbelievable
Yea he was amazing just imagine what we would have if he was still alive
Apple was, is and is going to be third to any technology. That is their genius. Apple doesn't innovate, it integrates. Even the Apple name and logo were stolen. MP3 players, smart phones, tablets - all products that were developed by others and improved on by Apple. Jobs gets lots of press, but the reality is almost all of Apple's success is from other people's ideas. I am not taking away from Job's abilities or drive - but tech innovation wasn't one of them, product innovation was his talent.
However, even at the time of this interview it was Google that had the vision and the leadership in tech. Jobs was always good at making consumer products - which is no small thing BTW. Gates was and is good at understanding emerging technology and how it could be used to build things. Gates, for example, saw the value of the internet very early, in the 1990's, but it was Google that really had the vision, drive, opportunity and anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft to capitalize on it.
Today, Apple's ability to leverage networking is primitive and only really directed towards steering customers to Apple consumer services. Microsoft and Google were well on the way to distributed computing 20 years ago. Google and Microsoft are the companies that are really building the future while Apple decides if it's round or square corners with autumn color pastels this year. That is partially because Job's is gone, but also because, as Job notes in the interview, Apple was set up so it didn't play well with others as part of it's corporate culture.
Apple's M1 is the big splash in the "tech world". But Microsoft had Windows running on ARM almost 10 years ago. Microsoft had a laptop with a custom designed ARM processor on the market a year before Apple. Microsoft and Google have been pushing the tech world to move to ARM for servers for many years.
As usual, Apple is third to the party. That is their genus. Innovation is not.
*Yes Jobs was indeed a visionary since he was the only one THEN to say it, that's right. But that's also precisely the problem to me : what he said was indeed "great" but was only logic for God's sakes !!!!... Why was Steve Jobs the ONLY GUY in those days to see the obvious ?????? That's the real question to me. In other words : in a world of jerks, the reasonably decent guy looks like a visionary all of a sudden !!!!!!*
Entrepreneurs; innovators. Makes one proud.
Two legends
and two of the most obnoxious morons conducting the conversation
"HEHE, and how did THAT work for ya, steve?" i want to strangle the bald fuck at that exact point
I admire both of them
Watching this just amazing two giants of the tech world
My dad did advertsising for Apple in the early 80s. At one point they owed him like $5k and offered him stock instead. He took the money. Thanks dad.
7:55 I know this is very minor but look how Steve looks for the former employee. Bill just stares into the abyss.
I sensed that the whole time!
Wow! so good to see that era and the people around
My! How the turntables have...
Hi, thanks for the vid, great stuff!
amazing interview and fantastic insight
This was great, I don't believe I just watched a 1:30 hour UA-cam video.
I like how Jobs & gates begin sparring with each other when they start talking about each others approach toward software & hardware integration
Steve's saying that nobody remembers 128k of memory, and i barely remember when 1-2 GB was the top of the line
1:21:27 is a quote worth noting for anyone
well these 2 guys changed our whole world
i hate these interviewers but steve and bill are phenomenol my gosh its great to listen to them speak
I thought the interviewers were actually pretty good about keeping themselves out of the discussion (Aside from 8 too-many mentions of old age)
Ive watched this several times since '07 and it became clear tonight Bill talks about plastic, software settings and sizes, And Steve talks about people... From the most prickly person as described.
what a splendid personality? a man striking the market after the drop out and facing the fractures of life.
Yes, this is the first time I saw +1 M views for 1 ½ hour videos.
Bill Gates always reminds me of a classical school nerd... Unsporty, smart, quiet and innocuous.
Reminds me a healthy Stephen hawking
innocuos... with 95 billions of dollars in his wallet
Very awkward, almost uncomfortable in front of all those people. Whereas Steve is just naturally (or maybe learned to be) a showman
You know, if I ever met him, I'll ask him why does PowerPoint keeps hanging on mobile phone...
@@LeBrow420 exactly
what a great interview, especialy the part around 50:00 where they try to predict what will be on the mobile device 5 years from now.
what a truly great video, watching this really transport you through time and experience the connection and battle and comradery between these two titans. In 2021 we have Musk vs Bezos.
Musk and Bezos raided NASA to hire the best engineers, just like Steve and Bill did with the Xerox labs people.
Really nice job. Thanks for posting!
Strangely enough I find Gates to be very endearingly sweet in a geeky sort of way.
Strangely? Gates has always been known as a genuinely nice guy in person, and huge philanthropist. Steve Jobs is the one who can very often be mean or rude, or just a total asshole.
Well based on media expectations, geeks & nerds are not considered very attractive as opposed to bad boys or seemingly cooler people like Steve Jobs. & when the US govt went after Microsoft, Gates was seen by a few people as the devil (which is something I never understood). So, against the grain, I find Gates very endearing, very boyish even at his current age.
Gates is a Programmer but Steve is Architect so its obvious
Anirudh Merugu Steve isn't an architect in any way. He's a salesman.
he's by far the biggest philanthropist in the world.. donated tens of billions of dollars to good causes.. shouldn't be that strange to find him endearing
hahaha I liked how quirky Steve was and wasn't scared to flaunt it when he was younger
I find it funny that Jobs really want to talk about iPad about the post-computer revolution, but it is not announced yet.
I don't think it was the iPad, I think it was the App Store. That made a way bigger impact in retrospect.
They are color coded