17:08 - “One of the things I always tried to coach myself on was not being afraid to fail. When you have something that doesn’t work out a lot of times people’s reaction is to get very protective about ever wanting to fall on their face again and I think that’s a big mistake, because you never achieve what you want without falling on your face a few times in the process of getting there… So.. I’ve tried to not be afraid to fail and matter fact I failed quite a bit since leaving Apple” GOLD
he already was and still is. the Apple 2 in 1977 was the first PC and the iPhone the most influential device ever made. the most influential person of our lifetime
@@DrFastFury I’d recommend listening to Mo Gawdat’s book, Scary Smart. Emad Mostaq has some compelling interviews as well. I recommend reading Max Tegmark’s Life 3.0 and maybe look into Peter Diamandis as well.
Everything he mentioned and envisioned came true. It’s spooky watching these old interviews. He was right about almost everything. It just took a few decades to get there.
"other companies hire people to tell them what to do, we hire people so that they can tell us what to do" omfg this is such an amazing interview. i thought i'd heard/watched all his interviews, but this one tops them all. he's so relaxed because he knows you're not talking bs. there's so much coming out of his mind. i gotta roll a joint now. thank you to the interviewer, Terry Gross, you're amazing in getting him to really talk his mind. i'm gonna have to check out your other interviews, i still can't believe that this was '96, mental
Oh my God! This is so awesome!! The clarity of thought that Jobs has is astounding. He was so right about most of the things that happened way after he gave this interview. Terry Gross, I should add, is one of the best interviewers I’ve ever heard.
This interview is a gem. Gives us a glimpse to the amazing inner thinking & thought processes of Steve Jobs. BTW, this interview was done in 1996 by the equally amazing interviewer Terry Gross, Steve Jobs return to Apple in the same year too - judging by the content of this interview. This interview was made before Steve returned to Apple. That explained why he refrained to critique too much about Apple. Hats off to Steve Jobs - a true giant.
At 25:00 he talks about the concept of the iPad so ahead of its time and even before returning to Apple, essentially a simplified $300 low price internet access device. Back then screens weren’t ready so he suggested it should connect to the TV but actually he is basically aiming functionally at the iPad already. This matches other references by internal staff at Apple saying that his first goal before the iPhone was the iPad but he wished the phone out first as it suddenly became more urgent.
this is crazy he was speaking about the web like this in '96. i had just left school and my last pc till then was an Amiga. omg, he's talking about the web like this when i was still going to libraries. it's crazy to think that all this was happening and i was too young (in my mind) to see what was happening
What an excellent time capsule. So much you can say about his insights at this time, and to think this was just months before Apple bought NeXT and Steve returned to the helm and saved Apple from near extinction. Edit: Right after I typed this Jobs says, in response to do you think Apple is going to fail, “I think with the appropriate leadership that’s not going to happen…but we’ll have to see.” Amazing.
this is amazing, thank you for uploading this 🙏 btw, the interviewer is very good - she understands the big picture of what SJ is talking about so, because of that, gets him to explain more things so that we can all know. that's how an interview should be. this was an amazing interview, by both people, just a relaxed conversation with no one trying to big themselves up. genuine laughter is so nice to hear 💯❤ (talking about Terry, nice laugh)
This gives a pretty good view of how would it be like if Steve was still with us and going on podcasts. The audio quality is so good and Steve is brilliant as always. Miss him a lot.
As someone who develops dynamic websites, This is incredibly interesting to listen to. Dynamic web is still the industry standard to this day, with people trying to make it more and more dynamic.
He was so excited about the web. I became nonchalant about the web starting at 2013. I wonder how excited he'd been about AI, chatgpt, midjourney, and others. My mother was very inquisitive about the internet when I was a teen, and it was very magical how curious she was, like at age 50 or whatever she was , and still looking at the internet with intense curiosity.
Sure is great to hear his voice and hear his thoughts. Outside of the Mac all his great ideas and work were still ahead of him at the time of this interview. I wish he would have had more time to give us his gifts ❤🙏🙏🙏
Terry, the interviewer, was so good at asking questions. Several of what Steve talked about, including post-PCs and how Apple worked, were very interestingly being discussed again in the D8 conference back in 2010. I see this interview as a Part 1 for that, 14 years apart. ua-cam.com/video/i5f8bqYYwps/v-deo.html
I think the late 80s/Early to mid 90s was when he did his most interesting work. Not most successful monetarily, but when I would have most like to have worked/had conversations with him. This is as close as we can get!
Jobs was such a thoughtful person. Sadly that can't be said of most tech companies CEOs of these days. They are just good engineers, which is nothing compare to Jobs geniuses
3:53 and then went backwards again with big middle man like eBay and Amazon. Nothing good came from this. The middle man wasn't eliminated, it was enhanced.
Great interview. Very interesting to go back to 1996 and listen to these wise answers. Apple TV among other things obviously contemplated by Steve then.
HTML being called "arcane" is wild. Was it different back then? These days its one of the easiest programming languages to wrap your head around I feel.
Arcane in the sense that relatively few people knew it. The language was released the same year CERN put WWW tech in public domain: 1993. For a sense of scale, 18 million homes had internet capability but only 3% (~540k) of those had used it in 1995 [1] and there were only 23,500 websites (only about one website per 23 surfers!) [2]. Sources: [1] Pew Research, World Wide Web Timeline, 2014. [2] Science + Media Museum, A Short History of the Internet.
#yourtimeislimited "Your time is limited; I love this phrase by Steve Jobs because it serves as a reminder that our lives are finite and time is a valuable resource that should be used wisely. It's often associated with encouraging people to prioritize their goals, aspirations, and meaningful experiences. Time cannot be regained once it's gone, making this concept a motivating factor for individuals to make the most of their lives and to focus on what truly matters to them."
Steve makes an interesting observation about 19 minutes in where he says that Apple needs to be 50 to a 100% different from the competition to make buying it worthwhile. I think this says alot to why the Mac never could catch up to the PCs and still today remains below 10% total market share of PCs. I think he is also correct in saying that when he left Apple they were at least 5 years ahead of Microsoft and went ahead to squander that lead by failing to innovate. It is debatable however to question whether or not Apple could have brought their prices down enough and innovated fast enough to actually maintain a lead especially when considering Job's famous hard core approach to keeping the Mac a sealed box. A massive driver for PC growth was endless expandability. Innovation aside, would Steve ever have gotten over the closed mindset?
Steve’s reaction on dynamic pages is the same as my reaction when I discovered php. The fact that everyone can get a personalized version of html bro 🤯
I grew up with a physicist and she wouldn't eat more than one apple a day. They also found Alan Turing with apple. I ate bags of apples and with each byte they taste better and better.
The mouse somehow the most important invention for the computer-industry. Without those you can't handle really good, at least that is my experience and consideration. Touchscreens somehow are fun but for designing and type-possibilities you really are related to a mouse. Kind regards, Saskia van Houtert, (Saus)age; nickname, engineer/office-manager.
Though the Internet is way much more important than what Jobs did, most people DO NOT KNOW WHO invented the Internet!!! ... It's because Tim Berners-Lee doesn't have an ego like people such as Steve Jobs or Bill Gates ...
I’m seeking 100k a year since inception into project starting with experimental drugs that were developed in conjunction with the NIH and DOE. Summer of 2010 to 2024. That would be 1.400.000 usd. This is a reasonable compensation.
Mainframe's the most important in the computertechnology; format machines, matrix mainframe's, computertechnologists are thinking about those how to make them better and more reliable and also with a lower energylevel. I am also thinking about that subject, matter and try to improve them. The glassfibre-cable can make a progress in that prospective.And what about wireless-fire. Kind regards to Steve, Laurene, their children and others of Apple. Saskia van Houtert (Saus)age; nickname, engineer/office-manager.
Quiz By "YouSum Live" 00:00:06 What was Stephen Jobs' role in computer history? 00:01:06 How did the web pages function before dynamic content? 00:02:19 What innovation did Federal Express implement for tracking packages? 00:04:02 How is the web changing for businesses? 00:05:06 What is the future of shopping on the web? 00:06:44 How will software distribution evolve in the near future? 00:09:06 What is the significance of object-oriented programming? 00:09:34 How did Jobs' experience at Xerox influence his views? 00:17:00 What was the impact of Jobs' ousting from Apple? 00:19:20 What does Jobs believe is essential for Apple's future? 00:28:02 How does Jobs view the relationship between work and life? 00:30:20 What was Pixar's groundbreaking achievement in animation? Quiz By "YouSum Live"
By "YouSum Live" 00:00:00 The evolution of web interactivity and its implications 00:02:10 Dynamic web pages enhance user experience 00:03:10 Companies need to create custom web content 00:04:00 Web as a direct-to-consumer distribution channel 00:05:00 Information shopping is becoming increasingly common 00:06:00 Software downloading will replace physical media 00:07:00 Access to information empowers special interest groups 00:09:00 Object-oriented programming revolutionizes software development 00:10:30 Next's software is ahead of its time 00:18:20 Apple's innovation must continue to thrive 00:22:00 Liberal arts perspective enhances computer usability 00:25:00 Post-PC devices may redefine personal computing 00:30:00 Pixar's success showcases the power of animation By "YouSum Live"
My practical experience with Steve Jobs programm's is still cherished and still a exploring possibility for me in the future. Steve knows what I am talking about. Kind regards. Saskia van Houtert, engineer/office-manager. Date of description: 28-07-2023, time: 17:44.
I can say something about the I-Phone. It's the best mobile phone I had. Somehow a little expensive, but worthy. Somehow I like to have it constantly recharagble and with a longer battery-time. I keep on charging. And I have no firm-telephony at my home. To Steve Jobs on personal: kind regards with friendly compassion.
Omg what is this audio quality. That's incredible, we have podcasts today that are not in this quality
17:08 - “One of the things I always tried to coach myself on was not being afraid to fail.
When you have something that doesn’t work out a lot of times people’s reaction is to get very protective about ever wanting to fall on their face again
and I think that’s a big mistake, because you never achieve what you want without falling on your face a few times in the process of getting there… So..
I’ve tried to not be afraid to fail and matter fact I failed quite a bit since leaving Apple”
GOLD
Thanks a lot for the timestamp and transcript!
Quality of the audio is so good.
NPR really perfected the radio voice.
Dude just predicted Google, e-commerce, SmartTVs, and the end of physical media while I was still on the Oregon Trail trying not to die of dysentery.
Did you make it?
Dude predicted AI!!!
🤣
This man died way too early. There's no question he would be the most influential person in American society today if he was still alive.
he already was and still is. the Apple 2 in 1977 was the first PC and the iPhone the most influential device ever made. the most influential person of our lifetime
Dude was thinking Post-PC in 1996.
This is why I take them seriously when I listen to the newest generation of tech leaders talk about the future.
@@Myke664 it sounds like you stay up to date on current tech leaders. Which three are the most similar to Jobs in your opinion?
@@DrFastFury I’d recommend listening to Mo Gawdat’s book, Scary Smart. Emad Mostaq has some compelling interviews as well. I recommend reading Max Tegmark’s Life 3.0 and maybe look into Peter Diamandis as well.
Patented 1996
@@Myke664yo can you answer dude question below you please
My god this man was insightful. Definitely one of the most influential people of the last century.
Do you know who created the Internet? ...
@@mwa1788he said “one of”, and it’s definitely true
Without Wozniak he'd have been a nobody.
@@TheStevenWhiting without Steve, Woz wouldn’t have been anybody either
Today he'd be dosed on ritalin and ignored.
Everything he mentioned and envisioned came true. It’s spooky watching these old interviews. He was right about almost everything. It just took a few decades to get there.
1996? Sounds like something from 10 years ago. Can't believe it's that old.
It's brilliant sound quality precisely because it was 1996, so NPR was still recording onto magnetic tape and very high quality compression.
what are you expecting? vinyl crackle, wow & flutter? it was only uploaded a year ago. easy to run a file through an EQ. @uniquegodwin
You are wrong. It's 20 years ago.
"other companies hire people to tell them what to do, we hire people so that they can tell us what to do"
omfg
this is such an amazing interview. i thought i'd heard/watched all his interviews, but this one tops them all. he's so relaxed because he knows you're not talking bs.
there's so much coming out of his mind. i gotta roll a joint now.
thank you to the interviewer, Terry Gross, you're amazing in getting him to really talk his mind.
i'm gonna have to check out your other interviews,
i still can't believe that this was '96, mental
this is just him in an interview, he's a documented tyrant over his employees
Terry Gross is a wonderful interviewer
Definitely one of his most repeated quotes in product management circles. Wish more leaders knew how to do that.
Interviewer is so great
Oh my God! This is so awesome!! The clarity of thought that Jobs has is astounding. He was so right about most of the things that happened way after he gave this interview. Terry Gross, I should add, is one of the best interviewers I’ve ever heard.
This interview is a gem. Gives us a glimpse to the amazing inner thinking & thought processes of Steve Jobs.
BTW, this interview was done in 1996 by the equally amazing interviewer Terry Gross, Steve Jobs return to Apple in the same year too - judging by the content of this interview. This interview was made before Steve returned to Apple. That explained why he refrained to critique too much about Apple.
Hats off to Steve Jobs - a true giant.
Steve Jobs 100% accurate. Knew where everything was going.
1996....when NPR was enjoyable to listen to.
I'm always humbled listening to, Steve Jobs. He is pure genius.
He was never a pure genius. WebObjects went nowhere. He had all the talk but certainly wasn't a genius.
@@TheStevenWhiting He built the world's most valuable company. Think that's a fluke? What have you done with your life?
10/10 interview. Hooray for NPR!. 1996....when NPR was enjoyable to listen to..
❕❕❕
Always nice finding a new Steve Jobs recording 🙂
At 25:00 he talks about the concept of the iPad so ahead of its time and even before returning to Apple, essentially a simplified $300 low price internet access device. Back then screens weren’t ready so he suggested it should connect to the TV but actually he is basically aiming functionally at the iPad already. This matches other references by internal staff at Apple saying that his first goal before the iPhone was the iPad but he wished the phone out first as it suddenly became more urgent.
GridPad.
this is crazy he was speaking about the web like this in '96. i had just left school and my last pc till then was an Amiga. omg, he's talking about the web like this when i was still going to libraries.
it's crazy to think that all this was happening and i was too young (in my mind) to see what was happening
What an excellent time capsule. So much you can say about his insights at this time, and to think this was just months before Apple bought NeXT and Steve returned to the helm and saved Apple from near extinction. Edit: Right after I typed this Jobs says, in response to do you think Apple is going to fail, “I think with the appropriate leadership that’s not going to happen…but we’ll have to see.” Amazing.
whoa. Steve is so ahead of the time
Thanks so much for posting! Wishing everyone that reads this abundant and prosperous day. YOU ARE ABUNDANT
this is amazing, thank you for uploading this 🙏
btw, the interviewer is very good - she understands the big picture of what SJ is talking about so, because of that, gets him to explain more things so that we can all know. that's how an interview should be.
this was an amazing interview, by both people, just a relaxed conversation with no one trying to big themselves up.
genuine laughter is so nice to hear 💯❤ (talking about Terry, nice laugh)
Terry was great on fresh air. A great host to each guest
This gives a pretty good view of how would it be like if Steve was still with us and going on podcasts. The audio quality is so good and Steve is brilliant as always. Miss him a lot.
As someone who develops dynamic websites, This is incredibly interesting to listen to. Dynamic web is still the industry standard to this day, with people trying to make it more and more dynamic.
It is not like Jobs invented CGI.
1996 phrases no one says now:
World wide web
Federal Express
Steven Jobs
I was 1 years old at that time. I wish I could have lived through that time and be a builder there
He was so excited about the web. I became nonchalant about the web starting at 2013. I wonder how excited he'd been about AI, chatgpt, midjourney, and others.
My mother was very inquisitive about the internet when I was a teen, and it was very magical how curious she was, like at age 50 or whatever she was , and still looking at the internet with intense curiosity.
He would have made these so much awesome 😎 he makes me work hard, just an awesome guy I wonder how can I get his type of clarity and mindset
Sure is great to hear his voice and hear his thoughts. Outside of the Mac all his great ideas and work were still ahead of him at the time of this interview. I wish he would have had more time to give us his gifts ❤🙏🙏🙏
Steve Jobs is forever!
Dude this is on clutch!!! Thanks so much
amazing quality of everything in this video. thank you
Terry, the interviewer, was so good at asking questions. Several of what Steve talked about, including post-PCs and how Apple worked, were very interestingly being discussed again in the D8 conference back in 2010. I see this interview as a Part 1 for that, 14 years apart. ua-cam.com/video/i5f8bqYYwps/v-deo.html
I think the late 80s/Early to mid 90s was when he did his most interesting work. Not most successful monetarily, but when I would have most like to have worked/had conversations with him. This is as close as we can get!
Strange take. Clearly, iPhone was his magnum opus. How could you say otherwise?
Fantastic interview. The lady who interviewed also is an excellent one
Interesting to hear Steve Jobs predict the Apple TV in 1996.
I learnt some things about the internet from this interview. And the interview was pre modern internet.
Incredible. Such clarity about the future.
The pod before the pod. Love it!
"We were two teenagers who couldn't afford a computer, so we decided to build one" - Legend 🙌
Jobs was such a thoughtful person. Sadly that can't be said of most tech companies CEOs of these days. They are just good engineers, which is nothing compare to Jobs geniuses
he was horrible
Thank you for this interview!
This was great! Where's the rest of it? And Thanks😊
3:53 and then went backwards again with big middle man like eBay and Amazon. Nothing good came from this. The middle man wasn't eliminated, it was enhanced.
Only if businesses submit to amazon...they dont have to sell on amazon
Lots of good obviously came from it, why be negative when you can be logical?
Great interview. Very interesting to go back to 1996 and listen to these wise answers. Apple TV among other things obviously contemplated by Steve then.
Yeah the Apple TV callout was pretty cool!
15:25 lol that's where the one-button mouse comes from
HTML being called "arcane" is wild. Was it different back then? These days its one of the easiest programming languages to wrap your head around I feel.
Jobs always thought from the perspective of the end user. It's in Apple's DNA. From that perspective, it's definitely arcane.
Arcane in the sense that relatively few people knew it. The language was released the same year CERN put WWW tech in public domain: 1993. For a sense of scale, 18 million homes had internet capability but only 3% (~540k) of those had used it in 1995 [1] and there were only 23,500 websites (only about one website per 23 surfers!) [2].
Sources: [1] Pew Research, World Wide Web Timeline, 2014. [2] Science + Media Museum, A Short History of the Internet.
He had a fresh view on technology, great to listen still today, smart.
#yourtimeislimited "Your time is limited; I love this phrase by Steve Jobs because it serves as a reminder that our lives are finite and time is a valuable resource that should be used wisely. It's often associated with encouraging people to prioritize their goals, aspirations, and meaningful experiences. Time cannot be regained once it's gone, making this concept a motivating factor for individuals to make the most of their lives and to focus on what truly matters to them."
Yo no one has listened to this...4k views, why did they wait so long to release?
It's a re-release.
@@DavidParket-g1h yeah why wait so long to 're-release'
Early Object-Oriented Programming days... When only businesses had cable internet access, and residents had dialup.
I like almost any content you create for us
Release all unreleased Steve Jobs interviews now!
Steve makes an interesting observation about 19 minutes in where he says that Apple needs to be 50 to a 100% different from the competition to make buying it worthwhile. I think this says alot to why the Mac never could catch up to the PCs and still today remains below 10% total market share of PCs. I think he is also correct in saying that when he left Apple they were at least 5 years ahead of Microsoft and went ahead to squander that lead by failing to innovate. It is debatable however to question whether or not Apple could have brought their prices down enough and innovated fast enough to actually maintain a lead especially when considering Job's famous hard core approach to keeping the Mac a sealed box. A massive driver for PC growth was endless expandability. Innovation aside, would Steve ever have gotten over the closed mindset?
Steve’s reaction on dynamic pages is the same as my reaction when I discovered php. The fact that everyone can get a personalized version of html bro 🤯
thanks for sharing the details of the hack. working perfectly fine with me
Impressive! Thanks for the video.
21:23 this is wisdom
10/10 interview. Hooray for NPR!
Xerox parc was a hub for brilliant engineers
I really do appreciate.. Thanks a lot..
I miss the 90's
your the best!!! thx!!!
What a man, what a legend. His analogy about Apple and being in love with ur first girlfriend was mindblowing.
Wow he really saw the future
I like BASIC programming, "arcane" as it is! TI 99 4A was my first system!
"...people don't know what they want until you show it to them."
0:48 He has a cute voice 🍎💻🖥️📱🍮🎀🐾🦴
So he predicted DTC companies in 1996, crazy insight.
Steve Jobs is the best!
The audio sounds great. I guess digital doesn't decay.
this man was ingenuity personified
Legendary
Omg!! He mentioned Amazon and google concept in one interview without mentioning their names..
Genius
thanks broooo biiig thx
Crazy to think there was a time where Pixar would have to be introduced as the “company that made Toy Story”
I am reading and when she says now he is head of NeXT, how time moves too fast really.
A visionary from the PARC to social media,
I grew up with a physicist and she wouldn't eat more than one apple a day. They also found Alan Turing with apple. I ate bags of apples and with each byte they taste better and better.
Guy was incredible.
Steven jobs!!
Wish he was still alive so I could appreciate him today as an adult
The mouse somehow the most important invention for the computer-industry. Without those you can't handle really good, at least that is my experience and consideration. Touchscreens somehow are fun but for designing and type-possibilities you really are related to a mouse. Kind regards, Saskia van Houtert, (Saus)age; nickname, engineer/office-manager.
That intro music almost made me hang myself
where is it ?
Though the Internet is way much more important than what Jobs did, most people DO NOT KNOW WHO invented the Internet!!! ...
It's because Tim Berners-Lee doesn't have an ego like people such as Steve Jobs or Bill Gates ...
astonishingly everything he said here is our current life.
I’m seeking 100k a year since inception into project starting with experimental drugs that were developed in conjunction with the NIH and DOE. Summer of 2010 to 2024. That would be 1.400.000 usd. This is a reasonable compensation.
Mainframe's the most important in the computertechnology; format machines, matrix mainframe's, computertechnologists are thinking about those how to make them better and more reliable and also with a lower energylevel. I am also thinking about that subject, matter and try to improve them. The glassfibre-cable can make a progress in that prospective.And what about wireless-fire. Kind regards to Steve, Laurene, their children and others of Apple. Saskia van Houtert (Saus)age; nickname, engineer/office-manager.
Quiz By "YouSum Live"
00:00:06 What was Stephen Jobs' role in computer history?
00:01:06 How did the web pages function before dynamic content?
00:02:19 What innovation did Federal Express implement for tracking packages?
00:04:02 How is the web changing for businesses?
00:05:06 What is the future of shopping on the web?
00:06:44 How will software distribution evolve in the near future?
00:09:06 What is the significance of object-oriented programming?
00:09:34 How did Jobs' experience at Xerox influence his views?
00:17:00 What was the impact of Jobs' ousting from Apple?
00:19:20 What does Jobs believe is essential for Apple's future?
00:28:02 How does Jobs view the relationship between work and life?
00:30:20 What was Pixar's groundbreaking achievement in animation?
Quiz By "YouSum Live"
By "YouSum Live"
00:00:00 The evolution of web interactivity and its implications
00:02:10 Dynamic web pages enhance user experience
00:03:10 Companies need to create custom web content
00:04:00 Web as a direct-to-consumer distribution channel
00:05:00 Information shopping is becoming increasingly common
00:06:00 Software downloading will replace physical media
00:07:00 Access to information empowers special interest groups
00:09:00 Object-oriented programming revolutionizes software development
00:10:30 Next's software is ahead of its time
00:18:20 Apple's innovation must continue to thrive
00:22:00 Liberal arts perspective enhances computer usability
00:25:00 Post-PC devices may redefine personal computing
00:30:00 Pixar's success showcases the power of animation
By "YouSum Live"
My practical experience with Steve Jobs programm's is still cherished and still a exploring possibility for me in the future.
Steve knows what I am talking about. Kind regards. Saskia van Houtert, engineer/office-manager.
Date of description: 28-07-2023, time: 17:44.
I think the title should be "Which made toy story"
God I love this dude
I can say something about the I-Phone. It's the best mobile phone I had. Somehow a little expensive, but worthy. Somehow I like to have it constantly recharagble and with a longer battery-time. I keep on charging. And I have no firm-telephony at my home.
To Steve Jobs on personal: kind regards with friendly compassion.
I miss him.
Browser in a box was WebTV. Considering how early it was, it worked ok.
Microsoft bought WebTV and MSN-ed it into dust.
Prince of bel is missing out the title
What’s the matter, Steve Jobs? You don’t like the dungeon that you put me in for the right all my life that I was trapped in and I had no help to fix.