The estate! Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo 4S FULL REVIEW 2018 - Autogefühl
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Great job Thomas
Все прекрасно! Но почему нет лонга ?
Thomas, you've got to be the best car/auto reviewer around. Trust me, your reviews are the most enjoyable and insightful. I wasn't so sure about this Sports Tourismo but you highlighted what makes this car what it is and that's just brilliant ! Looking forward to the next one.
thanks keep tuning in !
I totally agree...
thanks so much, highly appreciated !!
You guys have the absolute BEST car reviews on UA-cam! Excellent review! :)
thanks so much !
I would for sure buy that car (if I had the money). I love Porsche as a brand, and I love estate cars.
It's been over five years since the Paris Auto Show concept and finally we're starting to see them in the wild.
The perfect car. No need to buy SUVs or Crossovers anymore.
Keksi the Labrador perfect if you need a lot of cargo space with 4/5 people on board. The boot space is on low side for such a big car. Still, if I could afford the 4S diesel I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It's beautiful and a perfect long distance cruiser.
I wish Porsche would stick to making legendary sports cars instead of trophy wife coaches.
Yeah, these are all lovely cars.
Always puts a smile on my face to see a new review from your channel - especially of a Porsche. You keep improving your videos - I keep enjoying them. Best on UA-cam!
yay!
Thomas, i really appreciate your reviews.
You are very thorough and cover everything there is on the car that you are talking about.
You helped me chose my car a while back.
Thank you and keep it going.
Much love from Sweden.
tack !
Total consumption with the 4S Diesel: between 6 and 7 litres / 100 km, quite reasonable. However, compare the Hybrid episodes to that!
That's a good figure for 4L V8 diesel. But I bet it's one of the dirtiest diesel engines. I'm actually shocked that companies still build such big diesel engines in 2017...
Seriously? Is it that low?
@GarugaHunter
For 4L V8? Yes, sure. Ofc many modern 4 cylinder 2L diesel engines do 4-5 litres, but that's also half the displacement and half the cylinders... And I bet this car weighs quite a lot too. For what it is, it's definitely impressive.
Now when you'd check out the last Kia Sorento review with 9 litres of consumption (4 cylinder 2.2L), that is very bad. I mean sure this car weighs even more, but the competitors do much better than that. It's horrible, there is no excuse for that.
Hi, thomas I want to give a suggestion, please in the end of your reviews, give the cars a final score based on Design, quality, Sustainability, safty and fuel economy.
Mike Roth Big diesel engines could be cleaner than big petrol engines. All car companies just wanted to make a bigger profit margin by cheating the tests. The new E-class 4 banger diesel is the cleanest fossil fuel car on the market. A diesel plugin hybrid with a new V6 diesel could be a dream drivetrain. Electric in the city and diesel on the highways. (Not the Q7 e-tron because that diesel also cheated the tests)
Brilliant review Thomas thank you
Best reviews channel on UA-cam. Hands down. Keep the great job Thomas. Thumbs up from Portugal
obrigado! Join us for more =)
Hey Thomas - really fantastic review - you and your team do the best reviews on UA-cam.
thanks so much !
Thank you Thomas, superb car and superb review again and again.
thanks, keep supporting us!
Nicely done. The most complete Panamera review I have seen
thanks jeep joining us!
The more I look at the estate the more I like it, which is a good sign. Usually I'm a fan of Thomas-blue, but on this particular model I would pick mine in Irish/British racing green (+dark brown interior) which is for me the perfect colour for any Porsche if you want to keep it more conservative and classy.
Finally, I've been waiting for it. Great review
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Great review. Thomas does a really thorough job. Can you cover a few other items in an upcoming Panamera video: how the adaptive cruise control features work, and what is the onboard charger for e-hybrid? Glad to see these videos from Vancouver Island, my home town.
Another awesome review Thomas, just awesome!
thanks, keep supporting us!
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Excellent Video and Explanation, Great Job!!!
Excellent auto review site. We really enjoy your videos here in Seattle.
thanks keep tuning in !
Nice to see someone still doing car reviews for adults 👍🏻
Of course it's not your music, you have class and listen to real music, I'm sure. I'm not even in the market for a car anymore but Thomas' reviews are so incredible and thorough it's better than 99% of the crap on TV!
thanks love to hear that =)
lets take a moment and appreciate the scenery which is absolutely breathtaking, augmented by Thomas and the car obviously!
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Nice review and profound like always
thanks for the support !
Thomas you the best!!! Your reviews are just perfect!! Thabk you and keep the excellent work going! Greeting from Holland!
+Luis Diaz dank u wel!
Wow! Perfect car, perfect color and perfect review 🙏🏼 awesome channel
stick with us!
Superb review! Subscribed
great that you joined us!
Can't imagine buying a vehicle without watching your review. Hope coronavirus doesn't prevent you from reviewing the new 2020-2021 models.
cheers! Indeed we do have problems with events being canceled now, but we try our best to keep u updated anyway. We ll find other ways.
Love the detail in Autogefühl reviews
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Thomas, you do great reviews! :)
greetings from Chile
thanks keep tuning in !
Nice car and good review👍
Fantastic Review! My opinion: I agree with Thomas, the fastback style suits the Panamera. Vancouver Island! Rear seats seem low, with knees uncomfortably raised. No stowage for trunk cover? Fantastic driving part with excellent windscreen video view. I like the big 'side assist' lights on the mirrors. These complicated dashboard displays are distracting! Many thanks Thomas!
many thanks too !
Great review great car!
Love ur reviews. Always looking fwd to it.
way to go ! =)
Great pics and video. Your production people did much better than Porsche themselves...and made this car look beautiful.
+golfbuddy1969 cheers!
Thank you for the really nice review, cheers from Spain!!😉
gracias!
Great review Thomas. Beautiful car, stunning but will have to dream on!
+Andrew K, Northern Ireland 👍
Thomas, you are the best reviewer on youtube. Such a fabulous , dignified presentation! I hope that you actually own a nice Porsche. ( in "Thomas Blue" ,of course!! ) All the best sir!
+Michael Paul I really appreciate your words! Thank you very much :)
I have been looking forward to your review for this car, as I think it is a masterpiece. I was very pleased with your review as well as the excellent and honest commentary. These type of cars deserve the Thomas blessings, and in this case the color should be called Thomas Blue!
+Je S maybe one day a manufacturer will name a colour after me 😅
Love this car!
I use ACC ALL the time. It helps me save fuel. It's so easy to use your thumb to adjustthe speed as the limit changes. You should use it all the time too Thomas when pootling along and talking.
Hey Tom, love the video as usual. I just wonder, when is this out in car showrooms for U.K.
thanks! should be coming soon
Honestly....my number one dream car atm, as a Turbo of course. Even before the 918 and Huracan Performante, just for it's usability and versatility. The upcoming Turbo S hybrid is going to be madly fast.
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your reviews are the best from algeria
greetings!
Between this and the Cayenne, it would be a tough choice. The Cayenne interior has reached the expiration date. The Panamera interior is spectacular. You have to see it in person. It feels perfect. Ultimately, because I drive on terrible roads and need towing ability, I must wait for the Cayenne to be brought up to date. Thanks for the excellent review, Thomas!
I also can´t wait for the new Cayenne XD I think the new model will be launched at the IAA later this year :)
appreciated !
All porsches are eautiful including the new Panamera. can't wait for the new Cayenne.
we ll show u the world premiere of the all-new cayenne here soon too !
My body is ready for this review
prepare for awesome cinematics, carporn and landscapes :)
U do such a great job. Love ur calmness on ur voice. Btwn what watch r u wearing?
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Great review Thomas, I've been waiting for this one. I've spent hours speccing up my ideal Sport Turismo... BTW did you see any Bigfoot? ;) haha
just seals and sea lions =)
Great review as usual. I love the Turismo look.
P.S Leather is great! :D
Thanks pal !
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
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List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
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3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
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4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Tesla and Mercedes are already showing major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
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Ich hab dafür den kurzen genommen, macht irgendwie mehr Sinn. Die Langversion kannste dir hier ansehen: ua-cam.com/video/SoOOZMrJcZI/v-deo.html
How can any one dislike his video??
As a german it's hard to listen to his english.
I love the videos Thomas where is the location of ur shoot by the way
Thx! Canada vancouver island, also hints in the review :)
Great review Thomas, are you guys getting your hands on a XC60 T8 R-design any time soon?
Sure, I guess later this year. Have u seen our initial XC60 driving test recently?
yes, the spoiler really improves the styling of the Panamera...
Great review as always!!! One question...what is your watch? It looks nice!
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Brilliant review... No gimmicky presenting and driving the car as meant to be driven. Some really insightful bits too. Could see the steering difference, and get what you mean about 50% max to front wheels, so even if everything onto one front wheel you don't get 100% of the car's power there.
exactly :) Thanks !!
thank you for video good car and good music am from saudia Arabia 💗👍
greetings!
You were in my town, Vancouver! Hope you enjoyed the city and scenery.
+THK amazing!
What a great place to drive this car. Beautiful BC. I took one of these cars out yesterday. I just may buy it. I'm leaning towards the 4S version with 444 HP.
sure is!
My initial reaction, is that with you standing next to it, it looks enormous.
I love this sport Turismo design, looks far sexier than the sedan and more space too.
estate... never heard of that term... you never stop learning. ;)
Thank you for all your videos - i really enjoy watching them. May I ask - in what ways are the LED headlights, better than the bi-xenon lights ? (I am thinking of including these as an option on a Macan S Diesel.)
+piperbob2 cheers! Brighter and longer distance. But xenon is powerful too
Thanks Thomas! Really like your video! One question, how do you compare this with 5series & Eclass wagon or BMW 6GT? Do you have any suggestions?
thanks!
Compare our reviews by youtube search "autogefuehl bmw 5 series" etc
Has Porsche changed the backlight in the center console (temp-knobs and capacitive buttons)? In the Autogefühl non-Sport Turismo E-Hybrid review the backlight flickers, but in this review it is still. Or have you changed your camera setup/settings? As always a nice comprehensive german review. No fuss, just indepth facs! :-)
+Johannes Gjessing thx! Who is always depends on the brightness frame rate and the shutter speed at the time
Welcome to my country, Thomas.
it is amazing !
Great review, Thomas: thanks a lot. If I were able to afford to buy any car, then it would probably be this Porsche. My only criticism of Porsche is the fact that there is no head up display option on their cars. It seems most other manufacturer's offer HUD now and I think Porsche are lagging behind. I have been using HUD for seven years and love it. It must be a bit of a bugger trying to slot this Porsche into a car park space in the UK due to the length.
+pete draper yeah
Welcome to Vancouver Island Thomas! Curious I saw 5 or 6 of these Turismos driving around Victoria and all had German licence plates, do you know why the european plates in North America? Personally, I like the Turismo body shape and look forward to your review of the Hybrid Turismo - which engine do you prefer for the car?
imported from the German fleet those cars! Lovely place u got there!
Hybrid Turbo S coming soon !!
Hi, what's the major differences between Panamera ST vs Macan GTS apart from the price tag? Is it just the difference in height and some engine spec thats all?? How do they drive differently? Which one is more agile and "fun" less boring like Sedan or regular SUVs?
Two cars are classic and modern in the same time ; mercedes and porsche.
Welldone Tomas.
+Refit Musaj 👍👍
My big dogs would like a more straight rear window! I know it's your favorite collar but it looks cheap on this model, my favorite on all porsche models is the chalk. I like the new panamera but this hatchback still has to grow on me. Good revue as always Thomas. Grtz Koen
the chalk is here =)
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3:35 when the exact same car drives by in the background...
Actually, I like it much more than coupe version. Great review Thomas:)
thanks !
Excellent review Thomas. Do you think this car is targeting upscale women that may be currently driving an suv? If not, who is the target market?
I guess Porsche drivers with a family
=)
Thomas in Canada!! Welcome Thomas!!!
No Canadian license plates? (maybe you were driving a car not being offered in Canada? I think diesels have been deleted from the Porsche Canada lineup.) Too bad you were so far away from Toronto! Let me know if you are coming here!! Vancouver island is gorgeous though.
I love the design of this vehicle, but the base prices in Porsches are amusingly deceiving. Everybody knows they are versions that nobody will ever order. 110k CAD to start and add a couple options the car is easily 125-140k CAD. (options that come standard on a Kia. And no remote releases for the back seats???)
Hoped you enjoyed visiting Canada Thomas and crew!
It sure is! Awesome country. They imported the cars from Germany :)
You make great reviews Thomas!! Would u prefer the 4s diesel, petrol or hybrid for this car? And if u could choose between a BMW g31 540xd or the Panamera Sport Tourismo, what would u go for as your daily driver? (except for the price) Thx!
thanks man! Did you watch the whole review? I do talk about that question. Also refer to this: ua-cam.com/video/SoOOZMrJcZI/v-deo.html
thx for the prompt answer!! :) do you also mention BMW g31 or Panamera?
no reference to bmw :)
I like the Sport Turismo style, but does it look like a Panamera Station Wagon or a Squished Macan?
Thomas,
Can you explain what do you mean by progressive steering? Is it 1:1? Meaning if you turn 1 inch on the steering wheel, the wheels turn 1 inch?
Danke.
progressive is when the effect on the wheels increases progressively while turning the steering wheel, so you dont have to steer that much
I own a black 2018 Porsche Panamera S Sport Turismo.. The only thing I have a complaint about is that my $126k car doesn't have wireless charging. I know it's a small thing, but it really is convenient and would be a small cost for them. There is a clip in the center console to hold your phone and my S9 just doesn't fit well while having to plug it in. It actually bent my plug putting it in there. If it had wireless charging it would be a perfect car. Love the features in my car and the center screen is outstanding, the stereo is outstanding.
Few years ago when somebody will said that Porsche will made estate with diesel I won't believe. However today Porsche build diesel estate but this is best sports diesel and in particular gas estate on market...
How to choose between new cayenne and panamera Thomas? Since both driving so well nowadays...
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Excellent review! Too bad the diesel option will not be offered in the USA. I need my torques.
thanks - spread the word for us !
Is this coming to America? I pray they will bring it because it's my dream car
Thomas what abut the your black shoes?
Any link?
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Anybody know how many cars porsche build with this V8 Diesel engine in sport turismo body ? Trying to find used one but it is impossible
In my point of view the Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo is the most beautiful and sporty estate you can purchase on the market!! The inside-concept seems to be very versatile for such a sports car! Why not ? The silhouette looks so elegant and sharp 😘 In my opinion the Sport Turismo GTS is the best version of the Panamera when the car is available 😍
Of the non sportscar Porsches this is for sure also the best looking so far.
Perfect music in the background ;)
Hi, thomas I want to give a suggestion, please in the end of your reviews, give the cars a final score based on Design, quality, Sustainability, safty and fuel economy.
we ve been thinkin about that but havent come to a final conclusion =)
looks like with the rear seats down that there may be more room and space than the cayenne. Biggest frustration with the cayenne is the rear seats dont fold down flat.
Full HD full screen and in Thomas blue
YEAH !!
I wish I could afford it.I love PORSCHE they did a great job on this.
was hoping he would show us how to close that door. slam it shut or bring it slowly close to the door-panel.
Nice film Thomas. Like the blue paint but black interior is very dull.
Way better looking than the conventional Panamera but feel it's over priced. Wonder how it compares to an Alpina B5 Touring?
Cheers m8!
I agree about the alloys. I like that style also. I wouldn't however spend the extra money to get the estate. I prefer the sedan.
This is like a S6 avant, BMW M550d competitor ??
looks great. If I had the money I would bye one.
Thomas what kinda of watch you are wearing..? IWC..?..
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Bravo :)
Wow, a station wagon Porsche!
Again great work Thomas. Love your detailed comments on good and bad sides. So estate=kombi=sw=st. This is too much for the European market. Why don't they all agree and call it like caravan or station wagon?
+marko thanks pal!
at 2:15 ?? Simply hilarious - gave me a great laugh!
=)
That is a beautiful estate. I like it more than the sedan shape. By the way luv the footwear. Please tell me the name of the maker, thank you.