As a father of a 31 year old autistic son, I can tell you this movie always brings tears to my eyes. Dustin Hoffmans performance is master class and done in a way that gives a glimpse into our world. Tom Cruise also made his bones in this classic.
@TheJedimaster6788 my son is going to be 3 years old in December and has autism. That's exactly how he talks. Super smart and learns new words every day, but he'll forget to make eye connection, respond yes to everything, even if they are opposed things, as in automatic mode, and will show limited affection, although he makes an exception with mom and dad.
That's nice with you and your son. This movie really speaks to me too, since I too am autistic. I have some things in common with Raymond. The scene with Raymond and the psychiatrist has always reminded me of times with me and a psychiatrist. I'm on disability now, I am similar to Raymond socially, I like my space, and the only people who come to my apartment are my family, a couple of my oldest friends, and my therapists and autism caseworker. I too am big on wanting to stick with familiar routine. I'm also similar to Raymond in which I'm disabled in some areas but have a talent in another. With me though, it's not math and calculations, I'm a piano player
And I guess the fundamental thing that the director wanted to say in the movie is that even a prick like Cruise's character can change once triggered with a correct incentive. In this case the "annoying" Raymond suddenly gave him a way out of his own misery in life, being in debt. Once that triggered, Charlie became "human" again and he could form feelings and bonds with people again, in this case especially his brother.
sfprivateer - Not a case of "incentive". Charlie came to love Raymond who is a good soul. That love transformed Charlie, as love can. It is that simple.
I know right and I don't blame Ray for not wanting Dr. Marston to ask him anymore questions, I think Ray got very confused with the question of whether he wants to live with his Brother or Wall Brooke.
I get tears no matter how many times I see the final scenes of them connecting foreheads and then saying bye on the train. Surely Tom Cruise's best role in anything he ever did.
Wonderful scene so heartwarming yet heartbreaking. You get the feeling Charlie will never again be that horrible person he was at the beginning of the film..
I am heartbroken when I hear Ray say "'Course its 3 minutes till Wapner" after Charlie says he'll see him soon. You can see a part Raymond desperately TRYING to reach the surface and tell Charlie how much he loves him, and Charlie would be absolutely thrilled to hear it, but it's not strong enough and pulled back down into the water by the rest of his brain. He just can't SAY I love you to Charlie, he just can't bring himself to give his little bro a hug even though a part of him wants to. I always get tears in my eyes when Ray says Wapner, even though I know its not the poor guy's fault.
@@poppyfield1619 Well, he's selling Lambos and Ferraris. High-end sports cars. Not exactly a career nice, sweet guys thrive in. Lol. Unless maybe he quit and did something else with his life.
They missed the part where he spelled out "C-H-A-R-L-I-E my main man" instead of V-E-R-N. Because Charlie is now a source of comfort to him like Vern was.
I think the point of the scene double. On one level it appears to show that Raymond is unable to take choices by himself. But on another, it also means that Raymond wanted both things at the same time, and that, autistic or not, is very human. Coming to know Raymond means also learning to understand his language.
Talkin about him wanted both things I came to a similar conclusion where he wanted to be a Walbrook and for Charlie to be with him plus he remembers Charlie from when they were young when Charlie was just a few years old
He made a clear point. He wanted charlie to live with him at wallbrook. He didn't distinguish difference between two points because he didn't want to. Not because he couldn't.
Sure, but a "normal" person would understand that it was not on the table and even argue for it or choose an available option instead of refusing to engage with the doctor and keeping saying "yeah" like a broken record.
What I find really touching, is that Raymond’s caretaker had known Raymond and cared for him for ten years and Raymond never touched him. Yet here, with his brother, he initiated gentle touch by pressed their foreheads together. I thought that was sweet.
I live very close to the place they filmed as Wallbrook. It was a place where monks lived. Why did you cut out where Raymond leans his head against Charlie's then Charlie kisses Raymond on his head. So Beautiful.
This is so hard for me to watch. My son is nonverbal, disabled, epileptic and GDD and sometimes I feel like I'm holding him back from being all he can be. I just can't let go...it's just hard. You see he had TBI and no one knows what happened but I've always been there as his father. His mother left 2015 and now it's 2023 and she still hasn't visited, called or anything. I'm broken and so is my son. I'm sure nobody will even read this but it's heartbreaking for me. I can't even this movie anymore because it's not healthy for me. I always respected this movie but can't do this to myself anymore. Love everyone that you can because we just never know
People do read you, and this movie hits a bit too close to home for me too. I've seen most if not all of these situations end up completely destroying family dynamics, including my own (as a brother, like in the movie). I wish I could share more but I can't do that in a YT comment. The only mildly positive thing I can say is that yes indeed you should keep loving as much as you can, but I would add try not to come to hate those who come up short. Sacrifice is a complicated topic that the world is not really willing to deal with IMO. Good luck to you and your son 💟
couple of things: Tom should have got the Oscar for this because they worked as a team the scene some will know is that Dustin put his head on tom's head it was just him being natural and it was what got to you most magical scene from one of the best actors around the crying from tom is real Dustin has said many times it was just amazing scene.
I agree. I believe that Cruise should have been the one to actually win for lead actor. Hoffman should have won for Supporting. But the fact that Cruise didn't get nominated in either categories is a disgrace.
At the start of the relationship when Charlie grabs his head aggressively in the diner because of the fallen toothpicks he means it in a an angry way, at the end they touch heads in a loving way. ❤
I know this one ancient comment--but I thought it would be best if Raymond moved to a local institution in L.A. rather than back to that one that was so far away from him. But... Walbrook is his home now and has been for over a decade. He's rooted himself there.
I think the best place for Raymond was in Dr Bruners care at Wallbrook, there were too many incidents where Raymond felt threatened or uncomfortable when with Charlie sadly. I think Charlie knew that was what was best for him even though he didn’t want to give up his brother
It's a strange ending: two brothers separated by two very different lives but have the common ground of family. Even if Raymond can never choose for himself, I get the feeling he's come to understand something more about life outside of Wallbrook in a sense. The way Charlie showed him the world has altered Raymond's perspective and the hold that Raymond's ritualistic behavior once had on him has been broken.
> and the hold that Raymond's ritualistic behavior once had on him has been broken. When Raymond boards the train he says "3 minutes to Wapner". He has the portable TV. He seems to still stick to his routines as far as I can tell. Also, as far as I understand autism, saying that the routines/rituals "have a hold on him" doesn't compute; my understanding is that they're coping mechanisms for dealing with a world that's confusing. If you reduce the confusion for Raymond, he'll reduce the rituals by himself; but if you try to reduce the rituals without reducing the confusion you'll upset him. The rituals are not aversive, the confusion (and potential concomitant anxiety) is.
some people think differently, i had a step brother named brad that had bipolar, i used to be so mean to him when i was young, i left home to get my own life, 6 years later i came back home for some help, i was broke i lost my jobs i lost my apartment and ASPCA took my cat from me when i went to jail, i went through alot, i sat at the piano my step mother had for years, i started crying, and brad came and gave me a hug from behind and said it's ok, be a happy man.
@@nollieflipcrook he was mean to him because he had bipolar I assume, that's the point, he comes back later in his life and despite him being mean to him for no good reason he still comforts him when he is sad.
@@Clone-up2ge his brother comforts him because he is a good person. Him being mean to his brother for no reason is not what a good person does. Bipolar is not an excuse to be a dick
@@nollieflipcrook no i mean like I assume he was mean to his brother who had bipolar and the brother who had bipolar was the one that comforted him, but he never said his brother (the one with bipolar) was ever mean to him, but I suppose he could have been. I guess the point is that if someone has a mental illness then being mean to them probably isn't gonna make them change their behaviours
It was honestly very manipulative of the doctors to ask Raymond questions they knew he couldn’t differentiate between just to embarrass Charlie and win the argument.
@@goldeneagle8740 Don't forget that Autism was still unknown, even during the late 1980s when Rainman was filmed. Many doctors, notably Psychiatrists, didn't know that Autism was a spectrum disorder, meaning that some of them are high functioning ones who have similar traits to neurotypicals (a term for "normal" people) with genius like traits, some have severe to profound intellectual disabilities, and some have a mild intellectual disability. In fact, prior to the year 2000, only five North Americans with Classical Autism (Pre DSM-IV definition) ever graduated from university. Last person with Classical Autism to graduate from university before the year 2000 was Jackie Barrett from Halifax, Canada, the same Powerlifter who went one to become one of the greatest Special Olympics athletes of all time.
They know Raymond would live better outside of the institution with Charlie, therefore they made him answer objectively which is something that's shown in the entire movie, Raymond was not good at. Pressuring him into answering yes or no to complex questions was a sick move by the institution to not let go of a patient.
I can't believe this movie moved me. I work with special needs children and I believe in them so much and they never disappoint me on exceeding my expectations.
the bond with a brother is inseparable, I've seen it first hand,even those who war,blood is thicker than mud,it transfixes even death,they're such good actors this scene brought tears
It's not permanent though since Charlie gets to visit with Raymond at the institution and continue connecting with him in a far safer way than if Raymond lived with him.
Dam this scene made me cry.. my Dad lost his brother in a horrible car crash when he was younger and he always used to look after him.. I've seen how it's affected Dad and it just made me think, you'd do anything for your brother. I'd do anything for my old man.
What most people wouldn't know is that the silver-haired doctor is the director, Barry Levinson doing a cameo. I always bawl like a sissy at this scene. It's so touching, I love Raymond touches heads when autistics can't do human contact. Fantastic film.
@@princesspony I agree with you. Some people are severely impaired while others are high functioning. All people with autism deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
I feel that 100000% I saw this film in 1994 when I was 8 years old and this scene in particular made cry every time I saw it and that has not changed now that I am 38
@@melanieparker no no no, I’m saying that Charlie grabbed him by the neck in the diner because he was frustrated. Now, in the scene we’re watching (if you watched the movie lol) he just misses him
There is no doubt that Hoffman earned the Oscar he won for his role in this movie. His work here may very well be the best performance I've ever witnessed in a dramatic role. In my opinion, this film was also one of Tom Cruise's best performances.
At the beginning vern says Raymond isn't capable of touch but he touched Charlie's head takes a kiss and says Charlie's life is his main man ...x x x x x x.x.x there was progress even if the doctors can't see it there s love there..x x x x x x x x x x 💓💛x x x
Me too. Charlie treated Ray horribly and physically threaten Ray, when he gets inpatient with him in the whole movie. Until the casino scene then Charlie seen to get close to Ray.
I use to not like Tom Cruise in the beginning of his acting career however , that changed later as I learned more about him as a actor. I think he is AWESOME now.
I love this movie although even when Dr. Marston asked the questions, Could've he have rephrased the questions differently to make it easier for Ray to tell him if he wants to live with his Brother in L.A. or go back to Wall Brooke?. For example what Dr. Marston could've asked Ray was "Ray Do you want to live with your Brother in L.A.?" ask him this a few times so he can process this question and if he says yes than it's yes he's wants to live with Charlie. For the second question Dr. Marston could've ask "Ray Do you want to stay with Dr. Bruner at Wall Brooke?" that way Ray knows the second question doesn't involve his Brother. Wouldn't Ray be able to make the choice with one or the other if questions had be asked in this way? all in all great movie!.
This really hits hard. Im from the UK and my mother did something similar. She took my older brother out for a day out and then just kept him at home from a care home. The police and ambulance service turned up along with some doctors back in the early 90s. They had some chat in our living room and then the doctors spoke with the police to not press any charges as long as they could take him back to the care home and we could visit as much as we wanted during the day. From what I remember the police were not interested too much in prosecuting these sorts of cases and were basically just looking for an out. I dont think that would fly today but thats what it was back in 1993. It actually happens more often than you would imagine. My brother passed away on March the 4th 2010 from some heart issue. He was 49.
I probaly shouldnt of seen this film at the time, I was 7/8 years old and watched Rainman for the first time, even though i was only child at the time but i fully understood all the touching moments in that film. Im 38 years old now and i still cry every time i watch scene, even to the point i have shown my children parts of that film to get them to undertstand we all have natural empathy and compassion within our souls, the way how that film shot and directed with that musical score is masterpeice, how that film can evoke emotion from an 8 year old, beautiful stuff....... Easily one of Tom Crusie's and Dustin Hoffman's greatest ever performances
What would realistically happen in a situation like this in real life? Charlies wasn’t abusive, Raymond wasn’t involuntary committed, he wasn’t deemed criminally insane; would the hospital honestly have priority of custody of him over his own brother??
To put it this way according.to Charlie it made no sense of where to purchase boxer briefs/shorts correct?well I have the same deal going on with me no matter what,rlb
He has the disability, yet the dang shrink can’t tell he wants both? That facility might be “fine,” but they have no social skills or cues. Raymond is a human being and should be treated like such.
As a person living with Autism and learning disability, I was sad to see Raymond Babbitt reinstituitionalized in the end, which goes against the concepts of inclusion and community living. Charlie didn't learn from my mom and dad's experience as they face a similar difficult decision involving me when I was four. The decision was to put me into an institution and my world would evolve with the four walls everyday, or take the risk and raise me on their own. In spite the huge risks they faced, they decided to continue raising me on their own. That's because once you put a love one with a severe developmental disability in an institution, its the same as ending their lives as everything is over, even their freedom to break barriers and become an inspiration for everyone to follow.
I have 2 brothers.. One I’m very close to, and the other I haven’t spoken to in over a decade.. I always end up a blubbering mess by the end of this movie..
Tom was dial in for this entire movie. You know the thing is this is just pure acting. Could you imagine Actors from the mcu in this film? What’s happening here on screen is beyond most of the “actors” in the mcu. This movie was brilliant on every level. And I’d pick watching this over endgame which in my opinion is the best movie of that entire franchise.
Saddest part is the symbolism of which is not shown here. When they show the train leaving, the way Raymond is sitting hes going backwards which is what’s gonna happen to any progress he made with Charlie by going back to the institution 😢😢
I KNOW CHARLIE TECHNICALLY KIDNAPPED RAYMOND but if I, a grown man, suddenly found out that I HAD A BROTHER THE WHOLE TIME then yeah, I'd be pretty pissed to the point of doing something crazy and desperate too. Honestly that 'respected' Dr. Bruner gets me so mad. Just had to vent.😊
As a father of a 31 year old autistic son, I can tell you this movie always brings tears to my eyes. Dustin Hoffmans performance is master class and done in a way that gives a glimpse into our world. Tom Cruise also made his bones in this classic.
is it really somewhat like that? always wondered with autism. and not just the mild forms
@TheJedimaster6788 my son is going to be 3 years old in December and has autism. That's exactly how he talks. Super smart and learns new words every day, but he'll forget to make eye connection, respond yes to everything, even if they are opposed things, as in automatic mode, and will show limited affection, although he makes an exception with mom and dad.
I agree 100%! This was my late son, Paul's favorite movie, and it is my favorite movie, too. We had soooo much fun watching it together!
I was diagnosed with a similar condition. I agree the DH portrayal was excellent.
That's nice with you and your son. This movie really speaks to me too, since I too am autistic. I have some things in common with Raymond. The scene with Raymond and the psychiatrist has always reminded me of times with me and a psychiatrist.
I'm on disability now, I am similar to Raymond socially, I like my space, and the only people who come to my apartment are my family, a couple of my oldest friends, and my therapists and autism caseworker. I too am big on wanting to stick with familiar routine. I'm also similar to Raymond in which I'm disabled in some areas but have a talent in another. With me though, it's not math and calculations, I'm a piano player
It’s over. No more questions...even though Cruise’s character was a prick, his realization of the situation was heartbreaking.
And I guess the fundamental thing that the director wanted to say in the movie is that even a prick like Cruise's character can change once triggered with a correct incentive. In this case the "annoying" Raymond suddenly gave him a way out of his own misery in life, being in debt. Once that triggered, Charlie became "human" again and he could form feelings and bonds with people again, in this case especially his brother.
sfprivateer - Not a case of "incentive". Charlie came to love Raymond who is a good soul. That love transformed Charlie, as love can. It is that simple.
I know right and I don't blame Ray for not wanting Dr. Marston to ask him anymore questions, I think Ray got very confused with the question of whether he wants to live with his Brother or Wall Brooke.
And Raymond’s response of “no”, one of the only times we ever hear him say no, that’s the moment that gets me.
@@flmbyz He also said no when Charlie was trying to drag him onto the plane. Right before he had a panic attack.
I get tears no matter how many times I see the final scenes of them connecting foreheads and then saying bye on the train. Surely Tom Cruise's best role in anything he ever did.
Cruise definitely deserved an Oscar nod for Best Supporting Actor in this movie because he and Dustin Hoffman worked together brilliantly.
Wonderful scene so heartwarming yet heartbreaking. You get the feeling Charlie will never again be that horrible person he was at the beginning of the film..
Bezza Derbane Absolutely!
I am heartbroken when I hear Ray say "'Course its 3 minutes till Wapner" after Charlie says he'll see him soon. You can see a part Raymond desperately TRYING to reach the surface and tell Charlie how much he loves him, and Charlie would be absolutely thrilled to hear it, but it's not strong enough and pulled back down into the water by the rest of his brain. He just can't SAY I love you to Charlie, he just can't bring himself to give his little bro a hug even though a part of him wants to. I always get tears in my eyes when Ray says Wapner, even though I know its not the poor guy's fault.
@@poppyfield1619 Well, he's selling Lambos and Ferraris. High-end sports cars. Not exactly a career nice, sweet guys thrive in. Lol. Unless maybe he quit and did something else with his life.
They missed the part where he spelled out "C-H-A-R-L-I-E my main man" instead of V-E-R-N. Because Charlie is now a source of comfort to him like Vern was.
I think the point of the scene double. On one level it appears to show that Raymond is unable to take choices by himself. But on another, it also means that Raymond wanted both things at the same time, and that, autistic or not, is very human. Coming to know Raymond means also learning to understand his language.
31 years later and KMart still SUCKS! From their TWEEN POP music to their dysfunctional checkout. HTH did they stay in business that long?
@Rob M wtf
Stressful film
@@sextusempiricus7913 😂
Talkin about him wanted both things I came to a similar conclusion where he wanted to be a Walbrook and for Charlie to be with him plus he remembers Charlie from when they were young when Charlie was just a few years old
I always took it that Ray wanted his brother with him but at his familiar place.
So said yeah to both because he genuinely wanted both.
He made a clear point. He wanted charlie to live with him at wallbrook. He didn't distinguish difference between two points because he didn't want to. Not because he couldn't.
Sure, but a "normal" person would understand that it was not on the table and even argue for it or choose an available option instead of refusing to engage with the doctor and keeping saying "yeah" like a broken record.
What I find really touching, is that Raymond’s caretaker had known Raymond and cared for him for ten years and Raymond never touched him. Yet here, with his brother, he initiated gentle touch by pressed their foreheads together. I thought that was sweet.
Raymond wanted his brother to live with him at the institution.
You just blew my mind 😲😲😲
@@adhityaimmanuel861 Ray says at the end of it, " go back to Walbrook with my brother Charlie Babbitt ".
@@chadherrin5181 That’s what I was saying, I was like maybe they don’t understand that he is saying to live there with him or live there but see him.
I live very close to the place they filmed as Wallbrook. It was a place where monks lived.
Why did you cut out where Raymond leans his head against Charlie's then Charlie kisses Raymond on his head. So Beautiful.
I’m surprised anyone else caught that. They definitely didn’t understand him. It always made me a little mad.
5:55 Kmart never recovered from this movie.
Now there are only 40 locations across the country, Raymond is the reason for Kmart’s inevitable demise
@@romanperez4774 I’d say that honor belongs to Charlie- “Kmart sucks”.
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I love this film. every second of it was just great
+Jason Jayawardena yes it was so great movie.
This is so hard for me to watch. My son is nonverbal, disabled, epileptic and GDD and sometimes I feel like I'm holding him back from being all he can be. I just can't let go...it's just hard. You see he had TBI and no one knows what happened but I've always been there as his father. His mother left 2015 and now it's 2023 and she still hasn't visited, called or anything. I'm broken and so is my son. I'm sure nobody will even read this but it's heartbreaking for me. I can't even this movie anymore because it's not healthy for me. I always respected this movie but can't do this to myself anymore. Love everyone that you can because we just never know
You are a well respect man for holding on strong to your son. Keep on brother 🎉
@@ben54322 thank you so much friend. I do appreciate that..
You are a wonderful father to a wonderful boy. Never forget that
People do read you, and this movie hits a bit too close to home for me too. I've seen most if not all of these situations end up completely destroying family dynamics, including my own (as a brother, like in the movie). I wish I could share more but I can't do that in a YT comment. The only mildly positive thing I can say is that yes indeed you should keep loving as much as you can, but I would add try not to come to hate those who come up short. Sacrifice is a complicated topic that the world is not really willing to deal with IMO. Good luck to you and your son 💟
Have faith in God!
Aw! you cut the bit where Charlie kisses Ray's forehead! :( The good thing is I didn't completely burst into tears there, so thanks.
couple of things:
Tom should have got the Oscar for this because they worked as a team
the scene some will know is that Dustin put his head on tom's head it was just him being natural and it was what got to you most magical scene from one of the best actors around
the crying from tom is real Dustin has said many times it was just amazing scene.
Oh that crying was real..i didn't know that!!
I agree. I believe that Cruise should have been the one to actually win for lead actor. Hoffman should have won for Supporting. But the fact that Cruise didn't get nominated in either categories is a disgrace.
this was a passing of the torch moment, probably the finest in each of these actor's career.
Rain Man is one of very few movies that made me cry, and this is the scene that got me right in the feels.
At the start of the relationship when Charlie grabs his head aggressively in the diner because of the fallen toothpicks he means it in a an angry way, at the end they touch heads in a loving way. ❤
his brother Charlie is right, Raymond would function better with him than in an instution for the rest of his life
I know this one ancient comment--but I thought it would be best if Raymond moved to a local institution in L.A. rather than back to that one that was so far away from him. But... Walbrook is his home now and has been for over a decade. He's rooted himself there.
Such a sad ending
@@Dane_Youssef wow people only comment to this 4 year old comment in 2019... I'll be damned lol
Ray: "yeah stay with your brother Charlie Babbit"
I think the best place for Raymond was in Dr Bruners care at Wallbrook, there were too many incidents where Raymond felt threatened or uncomfortable when with Charlie sadly. I think Charlie knew that was what was best for him even though he didn’t want to give up his brother
It's a strange ending: two brothers separated by two very different lives but have the common ground of family. Even if Raymond can never choose for himself, I get the feeling he's come to understand something more about life outside of Wallbrook in a sense. The way Charlie showed him the world has altered Raymond's perspective and the hold that Raymond's ritualistic behavior once had on him has been broken.
> and the hold that Raymond's ritualistic behavior once had on him has been broken.
When Raymond boards the train he says "3 minutes to Wapner". He has the portable TV. He seems to still stick to his routines as far as I can tell.
Also, as far as I understand autism, saying that the routines/rituals "have a hold on him" doesn't compute; my understanding is that they're coping mechanisms for dealing with a world that's confusing. If you reduce the confusion for Raymond, he'll reduce the rituals by himself; but if you try to reduce the rituals without reducing the confusion you'll upset him. The rituals are not aversive, the confusion (and potential concomitant anxiety) is.
some people think differently, i had a step brother named brad that had bipolar, i used to be so mean to him when i was young, i left home to get my own life, 6 years later i came back home for some help, i was broke i lost my jobs i lost my apartment and ASPCA took my cat from me when i went to jail, i went through alot, i sat at the piano my step mother had for years, i started crying, and brad came and gave me a hug from behind and said it's ok, be a happy man.
I guess that's karma for being a dlck head bully to your brother.
Why were you mean to your brother?
@@nollieflipcrook he was mean to him because he had bipolar I assume, that's the point, he comes back later in his life and despite him being mean to him for no good reason he still comforts him when he is sad.
@@Clone-up2ge his brother comforts him because he is a good person. Him being mean to his brother for no reason is not what a good person does. Bipolar is not an excuse to be a dick
@@nollieflipcrook no i mean like I assume he was mean to his brother who had bipolar and the brother who had bipolar was the one that comforted him, but he never said his brother (the one with bipolar) was ever mean to him, but I suppose he could have been. I guess the point is that if someone has a mental illness then being mean to them probably isn't gonna make them change their behaviours
Dustin Hoffman is an amazing actor.
And an excellent driver
And he's both _Little_ and _Big_ at the same time 😂
It was honestly very manipulative of the doctors to ask Raymond questions they knew he couldn’t differentiate between just to embarrass Charlie and win the argument.
Yes. I agree. It felt like he was bullying Raymond. 😢
The doctors in this movie believe Ray is less capable of things than he actually is, which is honestly one of the saddest parts of this.
I kinda agree with the guy Raymond is incapable of making decisions.
@@goldeneagle8740 Don't forget that Autism was still unknown, even during the late 1980s when Rainman was filmed.
Many doctors, notably Psychiatrists, didn't know that Autism was a spectrum disorder, meaning that some of them are high functioning ones who have similar traits to neurotypicals (a term for "normal" people) with genius like traits, some have severe to profound intellectual disabilities, and some have a mild intellectual disability.
In fact, prior to the year 2000, only five North Americans with Classical Autism (Pre DSM-IV definition) ever graduated from university.
Last person with Classical Autism to graduate from university before the year 2000 was Jackie Barrett from Halifax, Canada, the same Powerlifter who went one to become one of the greatest Special Olympics athletes of all time.
They know Raymond would live better outside of the institution with Charlie, therefore they made him answer objectively which is something that's shown in the entire movie, Raymond was not good at.
Pressuring him into answering yes or no to complex questions was a sick move by the institution to not let go of a patient.
I can't believe this movie moved me. I work with special needs children and I believe in them so much and they never disappoint me on exceeding my expectations.
The point of the movie is that the Dustin Hoffman character helps the Tom Cruise character find himself
One of the main reason I love this movie. Character development.
I am autistic and I find this to be Cruise and Hoffman’s finest performances.
the bond with a brother is inseparable, I've seen it first hand,even those who war,blood is thicker than mud,it transfixes even death,they're such good actors this scene brought tears
For all its 80s-ness, this movie really holds up. Levinson’s performance here is great
80s was the best
One of the saddest goodbyes in movie history.
It's not permanent though since Charlie gets to visit with Raymond at the institution and continue connecting with him in a far safer way than if Raymond lived with him.
Dam this scene made me cry.. my Dad lost his brother in a horrible car crash when he was younger and he always used to look after him.. I've seen how it's affected Dad and it just made me think, you'd do anything for your brother. I'd do anything for my old man.
What most people wouldn't know is that the silver-haired doctor is the director, Barry Levinson doing a cameo. I always bawl like a sissy at this scene. It's so touching, I love Raymond touches heads when autistics can't do human contact. Fantastic film.
PeterHBne1 really!!
And Dr. Bruner was Gerald R. Molen - co-producer of this film and some of Spielberg’s finest, Jurassic Park and Schindler’s List included.
@@princesspony I agree with you. Some people are severely impaired while others are high functioning. All people with autism deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
Yes. It's uncredited, but quite a substantial part.
I recently made a film about autism. I hope you like it!ua-cam.com/video/dr4bX8qmed0/v-deo.html
4:17 - The moment Charlie knows he can't win this.
I saw this scene as a kid and I'm 27 now and still think about it from time to time. Powerful.
I feel that 100000% I saw this film in 1994 when I was 8 years old and this scene in particular made cry every time I saw it and that has not changed now that I am 38
32 years later and Tom still looks young. There are a handful, make that a few actors who can measure up. So looking forward to Maverick!
Poor Charlie. He loves his brother.
Is that why he grabbed him by the neck in the diner?
@@timdaugherty4014No, because he was frustrated with him. At this point he has learned to love his brother
@@goldeneagle8740 So it's okay to harm a mentally disable person? Right...
@@melanieparker no no no, I’m saying that Charlie grabbed him by the neck in the diner because he was frustrated. Now, in the scene we’re watching (if you watched the movie lol) he just misses him
@@goldeneagle8740 I was too.
This movie is nostalgic. I would watch it again and again and again.
This movie made me cry when I was 8 in 1988, and just now too after this clip
beautiful scene...fantastic performance by dustin hoffman..
even though Dustin Hoffman doesent have a disablity it sure showed good acting because he made it look so real.
"K-mart *sucks."*
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Two stellar actors in their times. A great movie it was.
There is no doubt that Hoffman earned the Oscar he won for his role in this movie. His work here may very well be the best performance I've ever witnessed in a dramatic role. In my opinion, this film was also one of Tom Cruise's best performances.
Absolutely outstanding acting .... one of the best movies ever !
Just now realizing Ray is taking an Amtrak from LA to Cincinnati. That’s one looooong train ride… no way he doesn’t throw a fit.
As an older sister of an autistic boy, I cried at this movie 😢
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Double meaning there >>>> one for bad two for good = one brother alone is bad. Two brothers together FOR GOOD is good.
I think what Raymond is trying to say is that he wants to go back to Walbrook, but he want's his brother to take him there and stay with him
At the beginning vern says Raymond isn't capable of touch but he touched Charlie's head takes a kiss and says Charlie's life is his main man ...x x x x x x.x.x there was progress even if the doctors can't see it there s love there..x x x x x x x x x x 💓💛x x x
This movie was really sad. I wish they could’ve ended up living together.
I'm glad Charlie didn't get to keep him. As far as I'm concerned he did kidnap him and Charlie grabbing him by the neck was a deal breaker for me.
Me too. Charlie treated Ray horribly and physically threaten Ray, when he gets inpatient with him in the whole movie.
Until the casino scene then Charlie seen to get close to Ray.
@@o_huskywolfdean7 And it involved money. Raymond was truly nothing more than a means to an end to him.
@@melanieparker Yep.
I use to not like Tom Cruise in the beginning of his acting career however , that changed later as I learned more about him as a actor. I think he is AWESOME now.
Movies, back then, truly amazing, master piece. Today’s Hollywood,
Pure trash
literally murdered the climactic moment of the movie
Hmm. I think I'll cut the scene at the absolute crux of the most poignant scene in the entire movie!
Bet two for good. A phenomenal film.
I often felt that Charlie's last words to Raymond should have been "Good Bye, Rain Man!"
Well... At least he got the Roses.
Here's a silly thought: maybe Ray wanted his brother, Charlie, to go back to Walbrooke WITH him.
I love this movie although even when Dr. Marston asked the questions, Could've he have rephrased the questions differently to make it easier for Ray to tell him if he wants to live with his Brother in L.A. or go back to Wall Brooke?. For example what Dr. Marston could've asked Ray was "Ray Do you want to live with your Brother in L.A.?" ask him this a few times so he can process this question and if he says yes than it's yes he's wants to live with Charlie. For the second question Dr. Marston could've ask "Ray Do you want to stay with Dr. Bruner at Wall Brooke?" that way Ray knows the second question doesn't involve his Brother. Wouldn't Ray be able to make the choice with one or the other if questions had be asked in this way? all in all great movie!.
The saddest part of the movie.
Thank you for sharing
This really hits hard. Im from the UK and my mother did something similar. She took my older brother out for a day out and then just kept him at home from a care home. The police and ambulance service turned up along with some doctors back in the early 90s. They had some chat in our living room and then the doctors spoke with the police to not press any charges as long as they could take him back to the care home and we could visit as much as we wanted during the day. From what I remember the police were not interested too much in prosecuting these sorts of cases and were basically just looking for an out. I dont think that would fly today but thats what it was back in 1993. It actually happens more often than you would imagine. My brother passed away on March the 4th 2010 from some heart issue. He was 49.
Fantastic Hoffman Dustin
Can I just point out how great the acting and timing was by the actor playing the guy questioning Raymond?
Right! So natural
That is the Oscar-winning director Barry Levinson.
Fantastic, who’s still watching in 2019?
The Doctors are wrong on this one. The institution is a bad place for Raymond and he is better off with his brother.
I probaly shouldnt of seen this film at the time, I was 7/8 years old and watched Rainman for the first time, even though i was only child at the time but i fully understood all the touching moments in that film.
Im 38 years old now and i still cry every time i watch scene, even to the point i have shown my children parts of that film to get them to undertstand we all have natural empathy and compassion within our souls, the way how that film shot and directed with that musical score is masterpeice, how that film can evoke emotion from an 8 year old, beautiful stuff.......
Easily one of Tom Crusie's and Dustin Hoffman's greatest ever performances
Why did you cut the best scene ?????
Interesting how Charlie didn't tell him about him grabbing his neck.
@Hosea Matthews Then why did Ray write it down?
SQUEEZED AND PULLED AND HURT MY NECK IN 1988.
Ray's honest version of events...so many nails in the coffin for Charlie..
A great example of a collection of precise facts being accurate but missing the truth.
After all the painful times..I still LLove you All..strive on and never give Up ❤
What would realistically happen in a situation like this in real life? Charlies wasn’t abusive, Raymond wasn’t involuntary committed, he wasn’t deemed criminally insane; would the hospital honestly have priority of custody of him over his own brother??
This SCENE! Oh it gets me good😭😭
we need to get haines 32 boxer shorts from kmart in cincinnati
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To put it this way according.to Charlie it made no sense of where to purchase boxer briefs/shorts correct?well I have the same deal going on with me no matter what,rlb
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this scene always pissed me off the way the docs treated Ray like an idiot! and ended up with him being locked up
Ray wasn't locked up in my opinion Wallbrook was his home and Charlie couldn't look after him permanently 😢
He has the disability, yet the dang shrink can’t tell he wants both? That facility might be “fine,” but they have no social skills or cues. Raymond is a human being and should be treated like such.
The shrink knows full well what Ray wants. The grilling is a performance for Charlie’s benefit.
My son Brayden and I watched this movie together and I will always remember it
" You made your point. You don't have to humiliate him" Tears.
He didn't have to grab his neck but him being a handicap didn't stop him either.
Want you wrote was funny, but that's because I'm sick as a person...lmao
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Dustin got all the accolades but Tom 100% was equal/better imho.
As a person living with Autism and learning disability, I was sad to see Raymond Babbitt reinstituitionalized in the end, which goes against the concepts of inclusion and community living.
Charlie didn't learn from my mom and dad's experience as they face a similar difficult decision involving me when I was four.
The decision was to put me into an institution and my world would evolve with the four walls everyday, or take the risk and raise me on their own. In spite the huge risks they faced, they decided to continue raising me on their own.
That's because once you put a love one with a severe developmental disability in an institution, its the same as ending their lives as everything is over, even their freedom to break barriers and become an inspiration for everyone to follow.
Im autistic & when i was 11, my parents had to put me in a mental hospital as i was only allowed to be there a year which i did very well
I have 2 brothers.. One I’m very close to, and the other I haven’t spoken to in over a decade.. I always end up a blubbering mess by the end of this movie..
What's Rainman's
Favorite Word....
Yeah!
Are You Sure!?
Yeah!
No, Really....
Yeah!
what you cut it for at the best bit?
Back when Tom Cruise was a great actor, before he got possessed by Xenu...
Barry Levinson directs himself
ray... RAY'! -yeah . humanity .
The most important thing in life is family.
- Dominick Torretto
I love the look Charlie gives Ray when he finds out he kissed Susannah.
This recommendation should have been made after a period of observation over time in a variety of situations..
"Three minutes till Wapner."
"You'll make it."
"Yeah."
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K-Mart sucks...What a excellent acting!! Cruise and Hoffman.
You cut it right at the best part. Wtf?? Good job. 👍🏼
Tom was dial in for this entire movie.
You know the thing is this is just pure acting. Could you imagine Actors from the mcu in this film? What’s happening here on screen is beyond most of the “actors” in the mcu. This movie was brilliant on every level. And I’d pick watching this over endgame which in my opinion is the best movie of that entire franchise.
r/lewronggeneration is leaking so hard
What a beautiful movie💕
Saddest part is the symbolism of which is not shown here. When they show the train leaving, the way Raymond is sitting hes going backwards which is what’s gonna happen to any progress he made with Charlie by going back to the institution 😢😢
I KNOW CHARLIE TECHNICALLY KIDNAPPED RAYMOND but if I, a grown man, suddenly found out that I HAD A BROTHER THE WHOLE TIME then yeah, I'd be pretty pissed to the point of doing something crazy and desperate too. Honestly that 'respected' Dr. Bruner gets me so mad. Just had to vent.😊
'you kissed Suzanne!?" 😅
Autism is complicated. This movie is the only movie that gave us answers. Hard but true.
Love the sound track
I thought that ❤ Ray loves Charlie and Wallbrook❤
Such a tough movie to watch ...reminds me of a family I know..great flick ..Tom cruise should have won best supporting
this movie almost made me cry!!! :.l
Only almost??
MrKhalil9 only almost? You must not be human
here i go crying again