"The elderly man in the waiting room who talks on and on about the Pony Express is Byron P. Cavnar, an eighty-nine-year-old local who was in the waiting room when the crew arrived to film there. He got to talking on his favorite subject, the Pony Express, and Director Barry Levinson got such a kick out of it, that he let Cavnar keep on talking as the cameras rolled. All his dialogue was spontaneous and not scripted. "
There is a secondary story to that, but I can’t tell if it’s true or not. The man was suffering from Alzheimers and It was therapeutic for him to talk with others so they thought it was best for him to be discussing his favorite subject.
This movie came out when I was 10. I've seen it several times over the years and always thought it was great. But it wasn't until I had a son who turned out to be autistic that I've really learned to appreciate it on a whole other level. When I watch Dustin Hoffman in this movie it's as if I'm looking at my son.
If makes me emotional because my brother was tortured and tormented in highschool and he was diagnosed with autism in 2019 when he was 39… it upsets me because he was stabbed with pencils, had notes put in his locker that he would get his throat slit and they would watch the life drain from his eyes.. my brother couldn’t talk until he was 5! He has been abused, and neglected his whole life
Throughout the movie Raymond talks about "K-mart, 400 Oak Street." 400 Oak Street in Cincinnati, where the film is set, is actually the address of the Vernon Manor Hotel, which is where the cast of the film stayed during location shooting.
Dude the amount of technology that's come out of NASA is insane compared to their budget. Complaining about NASA is like complaining about inventing computers saying we should have spent that time and money making more farming equipment.
That line... "Are you autistic?" "I don't think so. Definitely not." Something about that line always puts a lump in my throat. For me it's the most poignant line in the movie.
@Christopher Bingham He was sent to a care home there with an autism diagnosis to protect his little borther. I think he is quite aware of things while being abnormal. This people are on and off this why we do not understand them
Say what you will about the doctor, he clarified a lot in this short scene. He's high-functioning, he's good with numbers, he doesn't understand meaning behind numbers and his brother needs to figure out how to deal with him.
@@actioncom2748 Indeed. The doctor has the knowledge of the educated class, but the blunt manners of the working class. Both are needed to adequately understand the medical problem, and to communicate that problem to the patient's loved ones. I think what Levinson was trying to say with this scene is there is plenty of value in things like "folk wisdom" or "frontier medicine".
i agree i have that issue when i was evaluated the said i was one of the highest functioning. also i disagree with the iq comment, IQ i feel is based on the amount of education provided. i cant remember my iq number.
I agree autistics are very high functioning I have a few friends who are autistic and you can't tell they have it, they're very intelligent I knew this one guys who's autistic and he remembers almost all of the bus routes in my city where I live in and everyone was thinking wow he has such a good memory and said he should work for the bus company he knew the routes, times days they ran on and he was very intelligent, they are very smart people indeed.
"I'm not familiar with "autism"...what exactly is the problem?" "He...lives in a world of his own" *old man continues to drone on about Manifest Destiny and the westward expansion of the 1800s* The irony is not lost on me.
Why crying? It's nothing bad, it's not cancer. It just means his brain works differently or on a different level. I've got a little bit of both aspergers and autism and d not take medication for any of it and I do OK. I just seem weird to people in public hen I try to communicate or interact so I just avoid all hat when I can. I only do it because I have to, and usually on a given day I barely say more than 2 sentences but yeah.I do a lot better with a keyboard and typing out replies, my brain is less stressed and has more time to think on replies and what I want to say.
My Mother worked at a group home with people of the same level, and stuff like this did happen. Once one of the guys wandered off, went into a Dairy Queen, grabbed an icecream cake from the freezer, and started walking along the road with it while it was melting in the box.
It has nothing to do with the people being dumb if it were today a doctor could use the internet to read up on a disease. Severe Mental Disorders were rare in small towns usually families just sent the ill to an Asylum.
Autism - 1 n. a label formally based on the basic features of engrossment in one self (per Gk. "self-adherence"), reduced ability to respond to or communicate with the outside world, and intellectual disability, esp. severe. 2 n. a global, totalitarian syndicate dedicated to observing a final standard of absolute conformity from birth, imposing draconian sanctions as punishment for failure, and the use of this label to justify the lifelong mistreatment of these persons, their placement in a collectivist subhuman underclass, and the eternal existence of this syndicate and label; ignoring all evidence of this label's subjective sources at all costs, including but not limited to the lives of persons on whom the label is laid, esp. without regard to those persons' consequence, or the advent of social, economic, technological, or academic Dark Ages.
Ray reminds me of my little brother who died many years ago when he was in his early 20s. He was autistic and had a heart disease. My father loved him so much.
he doesn't understand money because he doesn't understand the word dollar and the varying values we place on it that's the issue, straight numbers and mathematics that is definite is fine, variables of what something is worth is the issue because that doesn't conform to a simple pattern since money is something we just make up and alter the value of constantly.
@@bezzaderbane9890 True, and it may be hard for him to understand the meaning we put on it, but not impossible. I think if Raymond was a real person and someone took a long time to explain money to him in simple terms that he could understand, he could get the idea. ~:~
@@bezzaderbane9890 yeah I get what you're saying. My stepmom actually explained it to me when I was younger cause I was confused when Raymond knew math questions instantly, but lacked the ways of money. He doesn't understand that there's an infinite amount of ways to make a certain amount; i.e. all change, all dollar bills, some change and some dollar bills, etc. Pretty mindboggling 🤯
The doctor gets all the credit for calling Charlie's attention to the ability with Math and the subsequent victory in Vegas. He wouldn't have given it another thought without the doctor's observation.
You would think Raymond would have figured it out himself when Charlie counted the exact number of toothpicks. It didn't take a doctor to figure that one out.
I just drove by this place in Guthrie, Ok the other day with my Dad, He pointed up to the window and told me thats where they shot Dr. appt scene in the Rain man. I was like why on earth would anyone shoot that scene there! haha I thought that was awesome though cuz ive driven by that place so many times and had no idea! Awesome!Hahah "Good luck finding a shrink in this town" hahaha!
Well, from what I can gather, he’s probably a family doctor. Doctors who practice family medicine learn a little about every field, including psychiatry. So it’s no surprise that he’d know a little about autism.
Yes when he picked up the calculator he mumbled "I read something about this". Autism was very new in the late 80s still. There would be medical newsletters published about the emergence of studies on it but nothing concrete was known at the time. My great grandma figured I had autism back in the mid 90s and was cutting out newspaper clippings she read about it. Still have a whole little box of the clippings and stuff she saved about it. I eventually met other autistic friends and they told me they are sure I have it. It explains some of the ways I'm weird. @@hawkeyepierce7035
One of my favorite scenes in any movie. Imagine being someone who doesn't need a calculator to do long division with big numbers, but who also doesn't understand what a dollar bill is. So much of what we think of as "normal" is just our own biased interpretation of reality.
I guess the "about a hundred dollars" and the "70 cents" stuff explains what they meant by "he doesn't understand the concept of money" earlier in the movie. I could never understand what that meant, until I saw this part.
I have autism but I don't have a very good understanding of the concept of time. I can tell time and keep a schedule but no one, not even myself, can make me understand why time is so important. And it is the same with money. I know what half of a dollar is. I understand math and have a job but I have no idea why money is so important to people...it's just not apart of who I am.
it relates to a story i know of an autistic person taking an IQ test. the test had a gradual increase in difficulty the further you get along the test. So this autistic person takes it, scores substandard, like 50 or something. But then they decided to give him the test in reverse, starting with the questions anyone would find impossible and he scores 150 or some genius level IQ.
ana idk That's how it goes. Autistic people have amazing abilities, but have a hard time understanding common things every day people know. Hell, Raymond thought a candy bar cost $100.
That's the point. I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think during the time period of this movie autism wasn't very well known, but I can't be totally sure.
beforeafternow very little was known about autism because people have a hard time explaining it. People used to think autism was a person who is empty inside, but we now know the opposite is true. I’m on the autism spectrum, and when I was growing up, whenever I tried to explain to anyone something is wrong with me (or everyone else it’s hard to tell), people would tell me it’s in my head, I’m being sensitive, or I don’t have problems. I spent most of my life thinking I have “invisible” ocd, anxiety, depression, bpd, dysgraphia. I also have ADHD. It’s much more obvious than Asperger’s.
Dustin Hoffman was amazing in this. I felt so sorry for Ray he is autistic and he is smart. His older brother used him in the Casino to get money b/c Ray was so smart. Rain Man was a good movie.
You're missing the goal though. Yes he exploited his brother for monetary gain but during that journey he learned to love his brother and that became more important.
@@Clone-up2ge Why not? They had Cleopatra and Caesar in there. What's wrong with "1 if it's bad, 2 if it's good"? Raymond was just using his natural talents.
I have a family member who is and if you ask him what beetles song that you’re listening to is, he could tell you the name, the date it was made and what album it is featured in. Pretty incredible
This was 1988 in small-town America. A farming town. They lived simple lives, and were about a decade or two out of touch with the big cities and popular culture, medical terms, etc. It's not a big fancy city with big fancy doctors. A town where the doctor personally drove his car to your house when you were ill, a town where everyone knew everyone. You know?
When the doctor said, "most Autistics can't speak, can't communicate," I cringed. Thank goodness we know a little better now. Many who can't speak can communicate.
The don’t walk sign is painted yellow. I grew up in a state with all black paint in traffic lights. Every time I go out of town and travel to other states that have yellow painted traffic lights, I get intrigued, and possibly a little oddly obsessed with that,… to where I want and wish that the traffic lights where I live would be painted from black to yellow! I really pay attention to, like, admire, and just think that yellow painted traffic lights look and are cool. Sometimes I think I have a little Rain man in me since I become THAT involved in paying attention to that particular detail… Who knows?!
@ 5:09 why did Ray calculate the square root specifically to the 8th decimal? Oh, because he knew that was the limit of the Dr's calculator's display? hoo hoo 😛
I have a nephew who’s a bit autistic, but he’s nowhere near Raymond. He’s great at being around people and can have a mostly normal conversation. He’s sixteen but his reading and writing is only about second or third grade level. Really athletic and has an almost superhuman resistance to pain.
unfortunately I’d guess that most high functioning autistics build a high tolerance for pain because the average numbskull cannot relate whatsoever and the frustration of knowing and understanding so much more then the average person yet not always able to communicate it properly must be painful and difficult, and so they learn to overcome by accepting that, or at least not expecting others to understand. They learn to tolerate instead of acclimate.
3:40 ... "If he's getting on your nerves you just take a break"... anyone who has ever looked after elders, children, people with anxiety or various conditions etc. will know you usually can't just walk away, take a break, lie on a beach for a week and recharge - circumstances don't just let you do that when your batteries are getting low - so you plough on as best you can.... unfortunately!
I think Rain Man and Taxi Driver are Hoffman’s best acting roles in his brilliant career. His portrayal of a disturbed Vietnam veteran in Taxi Driver catapulted his career and should have won him a Best Actor award in the 1976 Academy Awards.
His portrayal of the confused orphan involuntarily chosen by fate to save a solar system from evil henchmen was really good too. Plus he got to bang Carrie Fisher. And R2D2. At the same time. And a much older lady in the prequel.
It's interesting to think how little people understood Autism back then. "He's the most high functioning of his kind". If anyone doesn't know, we don't use that term anymore, because Autism is a spectrum not like a level where you're high or low. You either have Autism or you don't and the Autism just manifests differently. The idea of high functioning is a capitalist idea of separating those who are useful. Anyways. I love how this movie raised awareness of autism, and the parts of it that haven't aged only help to paint a portrait of how much has changed since then.
I have high functioning autism, and I am quite intelligent. According to my IQ, I am smarter than 92.6 percent of the entire world population. I have interests in physics, mathematics, chess, and other subjects. However, I have terrible social issues and I also have sensory issues. I don't have many friends, but like my mother always tells me, "The realest people don't have many friends. You will grow up and be successful, son." I even have a great memory, but I don't have the best vocabulary skills. To all the autistic people out there: stay bright! I also think my IQ has increased. :)
King Squid iq doesn't necessarily mean intelligence, what can be described as intelligent is so vast there really is no accurate way to measure it. Some people are better at academics but are possibly awful at using common sense, vice versa.
I like how the country dude is angry at him for standing in the road, but realizes something’s wrong and switches to concern for his well being, and even waves at Tom Cruises character as they leave. It’s little touches like this that make movies seem authentic.
I love how off-the-wall, but still realistic and lifelike and poignant the plot of this movie is the ending was a surprise to me, but I heard the writer decided Raymond should go back to live in Walbrook at the end because it would be more fitting with Raymond's character. Feels like a slam back down to reality, but a brilliant ending no less Best movie ever
Malo Perverso depends on the type of autistic. Some are able to perform the math in their head. Most (I assume) are able to memorize these things. True Eidetic memory is common among those savant types.
As I understand it, Autistic brains Are able to devote more mental resource to a task because their brains have shutdown to other things. So they have less mental distraction.
I think my Dad introduced me to this movie a long long time ago. I can't remember what year or when I saw it. But when I saw this character, Raymond, I was a little confused.
4:06 This shot has such good subtle production design- Charlie's and the Doctor's heads are above the red line painted on the wall, as if that red line signifies everyday intelligence. Not Raymond's- his is below the red line, but it doesn't matter because he's framed by the window. He's in his own realm. Raymond's intelligence is entirely different than Charlie's and the Doctor's.
Filmed in Guthrie, Oklahoma, the original capital of Oklahoma. Worth a day visit if you are in the area, even if just to see the Victorian architecture for a couple of hours.
This is basically demonstrating both the incredible power and limitations of large language models in a nutshell, although it would be able to answer the last question correctly.
Dustin Hoffman is really exceptional in Rain Man. I can't think of another living actor who pulls off this specific performance. I know there's been this transition where people now argue Cruise was better but I don't agree. He was good and surprised people back in 1988, but Hoffman deserved his Oscar. I think it's a 1 of 1.
Ray is such a sweetheart, and Charlie becomes much more likeable by the end too.
the protagonist changes - basic fundamentals of a good script.
Yeah he just doesn't understand. He's using logic that doesn't apply and slowly he learns. Then he learns to love his brother for who he is.
Oh god bless you but that's obvious
Not only is he a genius, he's an excellent driver.
He should work for NASA or something.
Only on a Saturday tho
In the driveway
@@strangeways4217 Defo not on mondays
Just not on Monday. Definitely not on Monday. And only on the driveway.
Ahhh pay phones and phone books !! I remember those days 😆
His answer to the cost of a candy bar is going to age like fine wine.
Haha that's a great comment!
"The elderly man in the waiting room who talks on and on about the Pony Express is Byron P. Cavnar, an eighty-nine-year-old local who was in the waiting room when the crew arrived to film there. He got to talking on his favorite subject, the Pony Express, and Director Barry Levinson got such a kick out of it, that he let Cavnar keep on talking as the cameras rolled. All his dialogue was spontaneous and not scripted. "
Wow what an interesting fact!
That's awseome.
There is a secondary story to that, but I can’t tell if it’s true or not. The man was suffering from Alzheimers and It was therapeutic for him to talk with others so they thought it was best for him to be discussing his favorite subject.
Was about to comment on what great acting from that chap as it came over as so real.
That's the mark of a good director, using unintentional characters (usually non-actors) to shade in some color to the scene.
This movie came out when I was 10. I've seen it several times over the years and always thought it was great. But it wasn't until I had a son who turned out to be autistic that I've really learned to appreciate it on a whole other level. When I watch Dustin Hoffman in this movie it's as if I'm looking at my son.
I understand,my daughter Caroline 15 is autistic
Your son will be fine. Stay blessed all!
@@Sagar-bv7tf So sorry to hear that, man. The men and women responsible for harming our kids will pay for their crimes, in full.
Love to you and your family. I'm sure one of the main reasons guys like Dustin Hoffman become artists is to hear people like you say things like that.
If makes me emotional because my brother was tortured and tormented in highschool and he was diagnosed with autism in 2019 when he was 39… it upsets me because he was stabbed with pencils, had notes put in his locker that he would get his throat slit and they would watch the life drain from his eyes.. my brother couldn’t talk until he was 5! He has been abused, and neglected his whole life
Loved this film years before my magical autistic daughter was born. I love you meghan ❤
I remember at the end of the film when the credits rolled they showed all the photographs Ray had taken - that moved me so much!
Oh thaaat's what that was! I was wondering about those. 😂
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The ending credits for "The Hangover" is influenced by it
Hey I'm walkin here! I'm walkin here! Tell them Dustin!
that scene was accidental. So they kept it in the movie
That "Hey dipsh!t" gets me every time.
I came here for that
filmed in Enid OK. That was surely a local they recruited. LOL
The most sane Enid resident. @@bobgrob4
😂
Poor Raymond. He doesn’t understand.
Old guy knows his American history
I love how Ray is still going on and on about getting his boxer shorts at Kmart in Oak and Burnett
Kmart sucks!
Throughout the movie Raymond talks about "K-mart, 400 Oak Street." 400 Oak Street in Cincinnati, where the film is set, is actually the address of the Vernon Manor Hotel, which is where the cast of the film stayed during location shooting.
You mean I can't get boxer shorts there? That means I'll be totally without boxer shorts. I won't have any boxer shorts. No boxer shorts. Uh oh!
@@pauljackson2409What difference does it make where you buy Underwear? Underwear is underwear! Kmart sucks lol
I like the old man talking about the pony express 🤣🤣
The pony express BLAH BLAH BLAH the old guy is hilarious!
The way things are now, he is almost right about the cost of a candy bar.
wondering on AN #FICA revolving credit scores... ADT reporting agencies "AND" SQRT 2130
@flyhound97 yea sure..
I'm not sure where you're from.. but in the United States a candy bar is nowhere near 100 dollars.
@@partyinmypocket I know, I am just being sarcastic.
lets go brandon fjb
A maths genius who doesn't know or care how much things cost? He'd fit in perfectly at NASA.
He sounds like a politician.
yea except he’s a human computer, not a math genius
Dude the amount of technology that's come out of NASA is insane compared to their budget. Complaining about NASA is like complaining about inventing computers saying we should have spent that time and money making more farming equipment.
@@ReasonMakes I heard NASA`S budget is still less than what Americans spend each year on dog treats
@@支那解尿军有犬性 we are all computers. He is a calculator
That line... "Are you autistic?" "I don't think so. Definitely not." Something about that line always puts a lump in my throat. For me it's the most poignant line in the movie.
The slow zoom in on Tom Cruise's face puts an accent on the drama of the scene too.
Yes! For sure
Same.
@Christopher Bingham Because he himself doesn’t see himself or his approach to life as atypical.
@Christopher Bingham He was sent to a care home there with an autism diagnosis to protect his little borther. I think he is quite aware of things while being abnormal. This people are on and off this why we do not understand them
I love this film and I love this scene. It is so well shot and acted.
Say what you will about the doctor, he clarified a lot in this short scene.
He's high-functioning, he's good with numbers, he doesn't understand meaning behind numbers and his brother needs to figure out how to deal with him.
Kim Robillard - nailed this part
What's even wierdier is that he does a better job explaining Raymond's condition than the guy who watched over Raymond all those years.
@@actioncom2748 Indeed. The doctor has the knowledge of the educated class, but the blunt manners of the working class. Both are needed to adequately understand the medical problem, and to communicate that problem to the patient's loved ones.
I think what Levinson was trying to say with this scene is there is plenty of value in things like "folk wisdom" or "frontier medicine".
@@actioncom2748 The more accurate term for Ray is "medium-functioning", but there was a very limited understanding of autism back then.
Savantism.
Autistics with moderate-high functioning autism are actually quite intelligent. It's the sensory and social issues that are the problem.
i agree i have that issue when i was evaluated the said i was one of the highest functioning. also i disagree with the iq comment, IQ i feel is based on the amount of education provided. i cant remember my iq number.
I agree autistics are very high functioning I have a few friends who are autistic and you can't tell they have it, they're very intelligent I knew this one guys who's autistic and he remembers almost all of the bus routes in my city where I live in and everyone was thinking wow he has such a good memory and said he should work for the bus company he knew the routes, times days they ran on and he was very intelligent, they are very smart people indeed.
you dont say. but today people think that people who cant talk are dumb. its a common mistake that most people do. people you know...
LexWd uhm.... do we care?
Adam Whitehead This is called Savant syndrome...sometimes Autism comes along with it.
They're making a sequel to this. I hear they finally get to K-mart.
What would he do if they shut down his Kmart on 400 oak street?
400 east oak street Cincinnati Ohio
Look it’s already been established-K-mart sucks. 🩲 🩲 🩲
Kmart sucks!
Where did you hear that? I can assure you that they are not making a sequel.
Don't you just LOVE the part with a.. 'phone booth'?! Its only been twenty years now. How quaint it seems. You didn't even worry about germs!
Haha yes and the putrid stench of the mouthpiece lol 😆
Rain Man came out in 1988. A lot more than 20 years.
Grandpa that's like 35 ears ago not 20
I was always a fan of the older man in the waiting room who was giving a one-way American History lesson.
I am too !
LMAO that guy drove me nuts.
I'd watch a whole movie of that guy just talking about the Pony express.
"I'm not familiar with "autism"...what exactly is the problem?"
"He...lives in a world of his own"
*old man continues to drone on about Manifest Destiny and the westward expansion of the 1800s*
The irony is not lost on me.
+Alex Tocqueville He was an annoying Un-Diagnosed Autistic, blathering onto another annoying Un-Diagnosed Autistic! :D
Lol
Great scene ...and I read that guy just rambled on about the West ..haha ...and I always laugh when Tom says ...'so much for the NASA thing ' ...
The nurse who doesn’t know what autism is 🤦♂️
rayman was diagnosed
Such an excellent team. A truly great movie and Dustin was so handsome.
I know this isn't real and he doesn't have autism but my older brother has autism and I cry when i see this movie
It's based on a guy with the same abilities though.
Allen Lohr I’m sorry to hear that my biggest dream was to take care of children with autism god bless you and him ❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Rain Man helped me to understand my brother more and I am thankful
Why crying? It's nothing bad, it's not cancer. It just means his brain works differently or on a different level. I've got a little bit of both aspergers and autism and d not take medication for any of it and I do OK. I just seem weird to people in public hen I try to communicate or interact so I just avoid all hat when I can. I only do it because I have to, and usually on a given day I barely say more than 2 sentences but yeah.I do a lot better with a keyboard and typing out replies, my brain is less stressed and has more time to think on replies and what I want to say.
Your brother it's kinda lucky and so as You ...bet your bro loves You very much ,may god bless You both.
My Mother worked at a group home with people of the same level, and stuff like this did happen. Once one of the guys wandered off, went into a Dairy Queen, grabbed an icecream cake from the freezer, and started walking along the road with it while it was melting in the box.
I use the 'about a $100' line all the time and only a few people get the reference
In what contexts do you use it?
Bob Gladys not understanding context others don’t have, ironically an autistic quirk. I am infuriating to most people, marvelous to futurama fans.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie 3 50e
And the other classic Line
" I'm an excellent Driver " Lol
We got to get to kmart 400 oak st in cinincatti, we have to get to kmart, one of the best movies hoffman acted in.
Probably THE BEST with Kramer vs. Kramer a close second.
I have autism and that's why I love this film so much. My brother think I use my autism as an excuse, but he just dose not understand me sometimes.
The quality of the acting !!
It bewilders me that a nurse wouldn't know what autistic is
+Steven MacPhail Well this took place in the 80s when autism wasn't as well known
+Aveture Heck doctors hardly knew anything about it in the 90s. And there's still a lot about it that's unknown.
It has nothing to do with the people being dumb if it were today a doctor could use the internet to read up on a disease. Severe Mental Disorders were rare in small towns usually families just sent the ill to an Asylum.
Autism - 1 n. a label formally based on the basic features of engrossment in one self (per Gk. "self-adherence"), reduced ability to respond to or communicate with the outside world, and intellectual disability, esp. severe. 2 n. a global, totalitarian syndicate dedicated to observing a final standard of absolute conformity from birth, imposing draconian sanctions as punishment for failure, and the use of this label to justify the lifelong mistreatment of these persons, their placement in a collectivist subhuman underclass, and the eternal existence of this syndicate and label; ignoring all evidence of this label's subjective sources at all costs, including but not limited to the lives of persons on whom the label is laid, esp. without regard to those persons' consequence, or the advent of social, economic, technological, or academic Dark Ages.
I work in a hospital, there's a lot some don't know.
This movie was a classic when it came out and still is
Ray reminds me of my little brother who died many years ago when he was in his early 20s. He was autistic and had a heart disease. My father loved him so much.
Just tell him that it takes 100 cents to have 1 dollar and that's it. NASA here he comes!
stelkin656 the real rain man Kim peak did work for nasa
he doesn't understand money because he doesn't understand the word dollar and the varying values we place on it that's the issue, straight numbers and mathematics that is definite is fine, variables of what something is worth is the issue because that doesn't conform to a simple pattern since money is something we just make up and alter the value of constantly.
@@bezzaderbane9890 True, and it may be hard for him to understand the meaning we put on it, but not impossible. I think if Raymond was a real person and someone took a long time to explain money to him in simple terms that he could understand, he could get the idea.
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It shows that he doesn't comprehend the trade and societal value of money. It's a succinct example of what he is 'missing'.
@@bezzaderbane9890 yeah I get what you're saying. My stepmom actually explained it to me when I was younger cause I was confused when Raymond knew math questions instantly, but lacked the ways of money. He doesn't understand that there's an infinite amount of ways to make a certain amount; i.e. all change, all dollar bills, some change and some dollar bills, etc. Pretty mindboggling 🤯
Dustin Hoffman is just amazing. That's the best movie part ever. And that was in time with almost no awareness to Autism. Just amazing.
04:26 Raymond leans in, when he gets a chance, to give out the address to Walmart. Hilarious.
K-mart but yeah. 😂
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He have meltdown when saw walmart
The doctor gets all the credit for calling Charlie's attention to the ability with Math and the subsequent victory in Vegas. He wouldn't have given it another thought without the doctor's observation.
You would think Raymond would have figured it out himself when Charlie counted the exact number of toothpicks. It didn't take a doctor to figure that one out.
@@MichaelGiordano777 Reverse that.
I just drove by this place in Guthrie, Ok the other day with my Dad, He pointed up to the window and told me thats where they shot Dr. appt scene in the Rain man. I was like why on earth would anyone shoot that scene there! haha I thought that was awesome though cuz ive driven by that place so many times and had no idea! Awesome!Hahah "Good luck finding a shrink in this town" hahaha!
Lol
whats more amazing is how Charlie found in some rural town in the early 80s- a non-psychologist who knew something about autism.
Well he is Doctor so im sure he went to Oklahoma University
Well, from what I can gather, he’s probably a family doctor. Doctors who practice family medicine learn a little about every field, including psychiatry. So it’s no surprise that he’d know a little about autism.
Yes when he picked up the calculator he mumbled "I read something about this". Autism was very new in the late 80s still. There would be medical newsletters published about the emergence of studies on it but nothing concrete was known at the time. My great grandma figured I had autism back in the mid 90s and was cutting out newspaper clippings she read about it. Still have a whole little box of the clippings and stuff she saved about it. I eventually met other autistic friends and they told me they are sure I have it. It explains some of the ways I'm weird. @@hawkeyepierce7035
One of my favorite scenes in any movie. Imagine being someone who doesn't need a calculator to do long division with big numbers, but who also doesn't understand what a dollar bill is.
So much of what we think of as "normal" is just our own biased interpretation of reality.
To be fair, a candy bar costs about 100 dollars nowadays.
Probably compared to the economy of 30+ years ago.
@@alexschmidt2895 Yes, I can Remember when candy bars cost $.15
Maybe if another one of you posts this for the 2000th time it'll really start being poignant.
Raymon as Thanos. “Definitely half the universe.”
⚰️😂
Fantastic. Acting. By. Dustin. Hoffman. Great. Film.
Nasa probably does spend $100 on a candy bar.
Did NASA stole the show?
I guess the "about a hundred dollars" and the "70 cents" stuff explains what they meant by "he doesn't understand the concept of money" earlier in the movie. I could never understand what that meant, until I saw this part.
I have autism but I don't have a very good understanding of the concept of time. I can tell time and keep a schedule but no one, not even myself, can make me understand why time is so important. And it is the same with money. I know what half of a dollar is. I understand math and have a job but I have no idea why money is so important to people...it's just not apart of who I am.
it relates to a story i know of an autistic person taking an IQ test. the test had a gradual increase in difficulty the further you get along the test. So this autistic person takes it, scores substandard, like 50 or something. But then they decided to give him the test in reverse, starting with the questions anyone would find impossible and he scores 150 or some genius level IQ.
That is really interesting!
This gave me happy and sad tears. T-T Seeing as how some people can be SO, SO good with numbers, yet be so unaware of how the things around them work.
ana idk That's how it goes. Autistic people have amazing abilities, but have a hard time understanding common things every day people know. Hell, Raymond thought a candy bar cost $100.
+Jose Gonzalez i thought a car cost around 500 XD
+Jose Gonzalez this was when i was around secondry school
ana idk there’s nothing to be sad about.
Just go make friends with lonely people who need it.
An excellent driver, lets go to kmart
That's the point. I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think during the time period of this movie autism wasn't very well known, but I can't be totally sure.
beforeafternow very little was known about autism because people have a hard time explaining it. People used to think autism was a person who is empty inside, but we now know the opposite is true.
I’m on the autism spectrum, and when I was growing up, whenever I tried to explain to anyone something is wrong with me (or everyone else it’s hard to tell), people would tell me it’s in my head, I’m being sensitive, or I don’t have problems. I spent most of my life thinking I have “invisible” ocd, anxiety, depression, bpd, dysgraphia. I also have ADHD. It’s much more obvious than Asperger’s.
Dustin Hoffman was amazing in this. I felt so sorry for Ray he is autistic and he is smart. His older brother used him in
the Casino to get money b/c Ray was so smart. Rain Man was a good movie.
Angel Simone younger brother
I woulda taken him to the casino too
@@danjack1447 that's pretty fucked up
You're missing the goal though. Yes he exploited his brother for monetary gain but during that journey he learned to love his brother and that became more important.
@@Clone-up2ge Why not? They had Cleopatra and Caesar in there. What's wrong with "1 if it's bad, 2 if it's good"? Raymond was just using his natural talents.
I have a family member who is and if you ask him what beetles song that you’re listening to is, he could tell you the name, the date it was made and what album it is featured in. Pretty incredible
I'm autistic and this scene is comedy gold to me
When I first saw this movie when Raymond was able to solve those math problems I was like “WOW”
Tom plays such an excellent a hole! a sign of things to come
Rain man is the best brotherhood movie
An amazing film, a touching look at someone like this, my cousin is an autistic savant, wondrous people who walk amongst us
hes like ET
Ray Babbitt is a sweetheart ❤ I love this movie so much.
This movie is good.
This was 1988 in small-town America. A farming town. They lived simple lives, and were about a decade or two out of touch with the big cities and popular culture, medical terms, etc.
It's not a big fancy city with big fancy doctors. A town where the doctor personally drove his car to your house when you were ill, a town where everyone knew everyone.
You know?
When the doctor said, "most Autistics can't speak, can't communicate," I cringed. Thank goodness we know a little better now. Many who can't speak can communicate.
Patty Jaymes and a lot of autistics do speak.
Patty Jaymes some autistics talk way too much. I call it comorbid ADHD.
We just don't talk about things you find interesting! Lol.
What do you want it was the 80s fcs sheesh relax..just a.movie
U cringed ? Lol damn ur too serious about life
Concrete and literal thinking
The don’t walk sign is painted yellow. I grew up in a state with all black paint in traffic lights. Every time I go out of town and travel to other states that have yellow painted traffic lights, I get intrigued, and possibly a little oddly obsessed with that,… to where I want and wish that the traffic lights where I live would be painted from black to yellow! I really pay attention to, like, admire, and just think that yellow painted traffic lights look and are cool. Sometimes I think I have a little Rain man in me since I become THAT involved in paying attention to that particular detail… Who knows?!
@ 5:09 why did Ray calculate the square root specifically to the 8th decimal? Oh, because he knew that was the limit of the Dr's calculator's display? hoo hoo 😛
I have a nephew who’s a bit autistic, but he’s nowhere near Raymond. He’s great at being around people and can have a mostly normal conversation. He’s sixteen but his reading and writing is only about second or third grade level. Really athletic and has an almost superhuman resistance to pain.
unfortunately I’d guess that most high functioning autistics build a high tolerance for pain because the average numbskull cannot relate whatsoever and the frustration of knowing and understanding so much more then the average person yet not always able to communicate it properly must be painful and difficult, and so they learn to overcome by accepting that, or at least not expecting others to understand. They learn to tolerate instead of acclimate.
3:40 ... "If he's getting on your nerves you just take a break"... anyone who has ever looked after elders, children, people with anxiety or various conditions etc. will know you usually can't just walk away, take a break, lie on a beach for a week and recharge - circumstances don't just let you do that when your batteries are getting low - so you plough on as best you can.... unfortunately!
K marts do have blue light specials ,God Bless
I think Rain Man and Taxi Driver are Hoffman’s best acting roles in his brilliant career. His portrayal of a disturbed Vietnam
veteran in Taxi Driver catapulted his career and should have won him a Best Actor award in the 1976 Academy Awards.
Um, that was Robert Dinero. Hoffman’s career was catapulted along into stardom when he stared in The Graduate.
I loved him in Goodfellas!
His portrayal of the confused orphan involuntarily chosen by fate to save a solar system from evil henchmen was really good too. Plus he got to bang Carrie Fisher. And R2D2. At the same time. And a much older lady in the prequel.
Well of course his best role was as former banker Andy Dufresne, who was wrongfully convicted of killing his wife and her lover.
@@crispinjulius5032 are you trying to seduce me
"Hey you! Hey, Dipshit, move it!"
lol
*Best Movie i have ever seen*
As an autistic interested in history I can listen to that older man talk about manifest destiny all day.
"Uh oh fart"
"Raymond, did you fart?! Did you fart, Ray??"
My Name Here yes
You got the line wrong. He Said "Did you fuckin fart?"
It's interesting to think how little people understood Autism back then. "He's the most high functioning of his kind". If anyone doesn't know, we don't use that term anymore, because Autism is a spectrum not like a level where you're high or low. You either have Autism or you don't and the Autism just manifests differently. The idea of high functioning is a capitalist idea of separating those who are useful.
Anyways. I love how this movie raised awareness of autism, and the parts of it that haven't aged only help to paint a portrait of how much has changed since then.
Raymond are you good with numbers?
Yeah, K-mart 400 Oakstreet
I have high functioning autism, and I am quite intelligent. According to my IQ, I am smarter than 92.6 percent of the entire world population. I have interests in physics, mathematics, chess, and other subjects. However, I have terrible social issues and I also have sensory issues. I don't have many friends, but like my mother always tells me, "The realest people don't have many friends. You will grow up and be successful, son." I even have a great memory, but I don't have the best vocabulary skills. To all the autistic people out there: stay bright! I also think my IQ has increased. :)
King Squid iq doesn't necessarily mean intelligence, what can be described as intelligent is so vast there really is no accurate way to measure it. Some people are better at academics but are possibly awful at using common sense, vice versa.
shut up you fucking doink
Just don’t shoot up a school alright!
Good for you! Don't listen to the haters. Consider me one friend. (And Jesus- that's two!) 😊
~:~
Natalie Harshman - Natalie you don’t live up to your last name at all ;)
I like how the country dude is angry at him for standing in the road, but realizes something’s wrong and switches to concern for his well being, and even waves at Tom Cruises character as they leave. It’s little touches like this that make movies seem authentic.
I love how off-the-wall, but still realistic and lifelike and poignant the plot of this movie is
the ending was a surprise to me, but I heard the writer decided Raymond should go back to live in Walbrook at the end because it would be more fitting with Raymond's character.
Feels like a slam back down to reality, but a brilliant ending no less
Best movie ever
The living legend. DJ.
originally they were going to cast these brothers in reverse. Tom as the Rain Man. Sure glad they didnt.
A math genius that doesn’t know or care how much things cost?
He fit me perfectly in my wife’s head…….
I like this movie and I'm addicted to Tom cruise 😉😍
Tom Cruise looking for a shrink. 😉😂
💀
Seeing raymond walking away in the background while tom is in the phone booth 😂
"You ain't gonna' move, I'll move 'ya!"
How did Raymond Answer those number Questions!? What the Heck!?
it's a movie
+Tacks Givenn Dead Ass Wrong - I've seen people do this for real - about as fast as i can do it w/ a calculator.
Malo Perverso depends on the type of autistic. Some are able to perform the math in their head. Most (I assume) are able to memorize these things. True Eidetic memory is common among those savant types.
As I understand it, Autistic brains Are able to devote more mental resource to a task because their brains have shutdown to other things. So they have less mental distraction.
I think my Dad introduced me to this movie a long long time ago. I can't remember what year or when I saw it. But when I saw this character, Raymond, I was a little confused.
For this role as Rainman, Dustin Hoffman won the Oscar for best actor!
Rain man: I have to return some videotapes... At K-Mart
4:06 This shot has such good subtle production design- Charlie's and the Doctor's heads are above the red line painted on the wall, as if that red line signifies everyday intelligence. Not Raymond's- his is below the red line, but it doesn't matter because he's framed by the window. He's in his own realm. Raymond's intelligence is entirely different than Charlie's and the Doctor's.
Filmed in Guthrie, Oklahoma, the original capital of Oklahoma. Worth a day visit if you are in the area, even if just to see the Victorian architecture for a couple of hours.
Dustin Hoffman true eccentric & strange personality has come out very well in this movie
3:06 - the most respectful and neurodivergent-advocating answer in the movie. Gotta give Charlie some credit at least.
Doc: "Raymond. Do you know how much this office visit is going to cost?"
Raymond: "About a hundred dol. . ."
Charlie: "Raymond! Shut up!!" 😡
“Are you autistic”?
“I don’t think so…no, definitely not!”
Good answer!👏🏼
As more and more are diagnosed on the spectrum, this movie becomes more and more important to help people understand autism.
Feel sorry for old Rainman. Poor thing
This is basically demonstrating both the incredible power and limitations of large language models in a nutshell, although it would be able to answer the last question correctly.
I really love a great film like that.
Did you mean shitty film?
Dustin Hoffman is really exceptional in Rain Man. I can't think of another living actor who pulls off this specific performance. I know there's been this transition where people now argue Cruise was better but I don't agree. He was good and surprised people back in 1988, but Hoffman deserved his Oscar. I think it's a 1 of 1.
I have autism and I watched this so I could find a fictional character to relate to.
And I did.
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