GM 2.2L Ecotec timing chain replacement '03 Cavalier part 4: Installing a new chain kit
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2016
- Re-assembly begins in part four of this timing chain replacement series on a 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier with a 2.2L Ecotec engine. Watch as a complete kit of Cloyes timing chain components is installed. At the end, we confirm that cam and valve timing is correct and smooth after two hand revolutions of the crankshaft. This Ecotec engine is found on many 2000 and newer GM cars worldwide, such as Cobalt, Cavalier, HHR, Malibu, Alero, Grand Am, Sunfire, Saturn L series as well as some Opel and Vauxhall cars and more. For helpful text with still pictures of this job see: www.originalmechanic.com/2016/...
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Great tips throughout this series on the Ecotec engine. Thanks for the detailed instructions and tips, and for explaining that the colored links on the timing chain are only for the initial setup of the valve timing, and that when we do this, we shouldn't expect those colored links to come back to their starting points when we turn the crank 2 times manually to check out the valve/piston clearances and to observe the proper opening of the valves. Thanks for these videos.
I want to thank you for making these videos. After having watched them i have confidence now that i can do this myself with your help youve provided. God bless you my brother.
I see, I see, I see a timing chain replacement in my future! LOL!
At 183,000 miles it's time to do it again. Thanks for taking the time to make a video to help those that can help themselves. God Bless!
Watching your videos have helped me decide. I think it will be easier to pull the engine and do all the work rather than fight everything for days. I appreciate your hard work and documenting the process for people like me.
Nice video, especially at the end showing cam position in the different stages of the engine cycle!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
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@Krew Alberto Yup, I've been watching on instaflixxer for years myself =)
I particularly like the walk through on the complete 4 cycle process. Even a newbie would grasp this. Thanks.
You're welcome and thanks so much for the comment. I was hoping someone would find some value in that little detail.
you helped me tremendously on your Caravan water pump video.. now you got the video i need for my 04 cavalier. You rock!!
That's so great. I'll just keep posting stuff as the cars around me keep breaking.
The Original Mechanic please do! All in all was this cavalier job hard to do? I know the caravan waterpump and timing belt was a big pain. Never again!
The Cavalier timing chain wasn't easy but nowhere near as hard as the Caravan water pump and timing belt.
Thanks for the video I worked out great on my 04 cavalier 2.2 Eco tec after it ran great before I changed it and it never ran after that once i shut it off one half of the day and i found out the black tentioner cracked on me and the top small bolt holes was stripped so i had to replace the whole head I order to have my new tensioner installed on a replacement head while I was there I replaced the head gasket too as well and all gasket that came with the head gasket kit set
I hope you don't have regrets not changing the other chain while you were in there. Good work, thanks for posting.
+ICU2 We thought about it and looked at the condition of the parts and the likelihood of trouble and left it in there. Yeah, less than ideal, but it isn't my car or my money. Thanks for the comment.
top video - i changed both chains on my z22se thanks alot :-D
thank you so much for posting this!!
You're welcome. Glad you could make use of it.
You are great. I could not find another video so complete and step by step. for some reason my time chain when everything is ready and I move the crankshaft, as soon as the valve closes the chain is loosened for a second between the gears and then in the crankshaft gear. I have armed and disarmed and I don't find the problem
How does the mark on the exhaust cam sprocket help make it easier to install? Is it because you're able to line the sprocket up as close as possible when installing and otherwise the chain won't allow it to go if not aligned properly?
do i have to be drunk or high while trying to activate the tensioner with the rubber-tipped rod post install?
How do you get the cams to line up where the int mark is where it is suppose to be. I had to remove the head because the bolt holding the the black timing guide stripped out. When i started putting it back together i have the crank top dead center but the cam sprockets i cannot get lined up
Thanks for sharing!
My replacement job the Cloyes kit tensioner was activated right out of the box, had to dis assemble and reset. Cloyes should send these with a clamp or tie wrap.
Very informative, thanks for the video. Just a small tip, using a swivel adapter will throw off your torque specs. Other than that seriously awesome video!
You're welcome and thanks for the tip. I suspected that about the swivel but it's so darn hard to get a torque wrench into some places.
It's probably much more accurate than the ol' german way of torque specs. Good-n-tight!
GREAT Video - subscribed they did not make this easy for access on these engines!
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Hello, thanks for all the hard work! Do you know the measurements on your device that you measure piston height? Thanks! Best steve
Thank you very much!!
You're welcome. Thanks for the watching and commenting.
I'm work on a manual one and I need help fixing it.
Love the video thanks for it. One quick question do you need too install the tensioner deactivated or can you install it activated?
It needs to be deactivated when installed. Pushing on it with a large screwdriver or other tool near the tensioner will activate it in place.
don't pull the pin till after install
Great instructional video. I am doing this repair on my 2007 Saturn Vue. Very tight conditions with the engine in the vehicle. Had what sounded like timing chain rattle on startup. Thought that the entire chain had stretched. After removing the engine front cover, found the rigid chain guide broken at the lower bolt mount. Question? Should I replace the counterbalance chain kit while I have the timing chain removed?
Ideally should do both, I suppose. But I haven't done it so I don't know how hard it is.
@@TheOriginalMechanic Thanks, I have both Cloyes kits so will do both. I think the hardest part is going to be getting access to the CB shaft pin holes to keep the sprockets from turning during tightening. Might take 2 people. Thanks again for a great video.
Did you worry about messing with the balance shaft chain? Getting ready to do the timing chain set, nice video👍👍
I did not. Changing out the balance shaft chain and associated parts would be ideal, but we decided this was enough for now.
This might be a dumb question I'm new too this Channel but the same thing happened to my car as well with my 2005 chevy and I was wondering if I can just replace the tensioner or do I have to replace entire timing chain with a kit and new tensioner I took off the valve cover and no valves are bent just my chain is loose ? Thank you
If you can verify that the tensioner is bad, sure why not try just that. Chains do stretch though, as it did on the car in the video.
ok have the same car with 300 000 km on it. have a vibration noise that starts over 50 km, turns out the transmission is going on this thing according to the shop. after seeing this video wondering whats next with this car ! as this is a known issue with this car should i do this mod your showed here and the transmission at the same time or retire the car when its done.
Always a tough call when to stop sticking money into an aging car. I don't have that answer, sir. Thanks for watching and good luck.
How many inches from the bottom off the tdc stick to the first mark on the stick?
5 1/4" to the first (lower) mark.
When you put the car back together got a question about installing the timing cover did you cut the part of the gasket to get around the motor mount bolt or did take the motor mount loose to extend the bolt through the opening in the gasket. I am ready to start the installation tomorrow ...I did cut the gasket to remove it so may do that to install it.
I recall cutting the gasket as well.
I have an 2004 Saturn ion level 2 2.2 ecotec changed timing chain everything it backfires is that because we didn't do the it correctly just put the cams in time nothing else but it cranks but backfires tries to start but backfires.
The crank and cams absolutely must all be in the correct timing relationship.
I just changed the tensioner on mine. Selling the car for next to nothing but wanted to get rid of the noise. One thing led to another and I jumped a tooth when assembling. Unfortunately the chain in there now has only two colored links. I gather one if for the crank and the other for the intake. Nothing for exhaust. I counted 16 chain links from intake to exhaust as per your video and other pics online between the intake and exhaust marks on the cam gears and assembled it that way and I figure that is as good as looking for colored links. My only issue is when turning the engine over by hand, the chain slaps the upper guide when the exhaust just comes off the lobe is that normal? Essentially the exhaust runs ahead of the intake when coming off the lobes.
I never encountered any slap when I completed this job. Assuming you have the original chain in there, I wonder if your chain has stretched a bit. That's what happened to the chain in my video.
Hey very interesting comment, I'm doing this and everything reinstalled, when I turn the engine by hand, my chain too goes clacking on the upper guide everytime the exhaust camshaft lift off from the spring valves. I can't believe the little cheapo spring in the chain tensioner can't keep the tension against the strong valve spring. I guess those chain tensioner build their pressure with the engine oil pressure. My question David : did you have to charge up your tensioner with oil or something?? What do you think? My parts were are good before this reinstall (I did a head gasket). AND Thanks a lot for your awesome videos :)
Yes ! But this little spring you know, thats not very tight
Great video , i had a quick question, i recently removed the cylinder head off my 2007 saturn ion and i didn't set it to top dead center correctly before removing , Do i just turn my engine to top dead center by looking at the pulley marks before installing heads again???
Make sure both cams and the crank sprocket are in alignment positions and you should be fine.
@@TheOriginalMechanic ok and can i just go off by the pulley marks or i have to remove it and look at the sprocket behind it ??
@@TheOriginalMechanic "should be fine" or will be fine? I have the same issue and am concerned the #1 piston is at TDC on the wrong stroke,
Is there a way to adjust the timing without marks? I took the chain out and my stupidity allowed me to turn the the sprocket s individually, which turned the cams. Now I have no idea where I am at. Call me an idiot because I am. 2015 Chev malibu 2.5
So, after two complete crank shaft revolution will all the timing chain and balance shaft timing marks all align?
The marks on the chain are for installation only and will not line up again.
@@TheOriginalMechanic thanks was wondering that myself
So the marks will not line up again?
Correct. The marks on the chain will not line up again. They are installation guides only.
Could you do a full tool listing for the whole process, i want to do this but with the least amount of $ spent if I can buy the specific tools rather than a bulk set.
I used to do text posts of these jobs on a website. This one may have the detail you are looking for: www.originalmechanic.com/2016/04/how-to-replace-timing-chain-on-gm.html
@@TheOriginalMechanic all I was waiting for, now less get at it.
Do you have a part number for the new oiler part?
+hnkfsh81 No, I don't. It came as part of the Cloyes kit
I have a 2004 Saturn Ion 2.2 ecotec how many miles do they recommend replacing the timing chain? I cant find a service interval?
I don't have a number either. I did this one at 150,000. It would be nice if there was a way to visually inspect without so much disassembly.
Ya I don't think there is a scheduled maintenance because its a chain. A belt has seevice intervals but not a chain.
@@TheOriginalMechanic noob question maybe, if i align the mark on the cover with the one on the pulley before removing the cover, how do you rotate the crank after removing the pulley and cover to move the pistons so there is no contact to place the camshafts at the correct position before removing the sprockets, and then return the crank to the position it was before to align everything to install the new parts in?? great videos, maybe i just dont get it :)
Were you happy with the cloyes kit? Better than stock?
Yeah, seemed very solid and well made. The car held up well right up when the owner traded it in.
I need you to fix my timing on my cavalier .
I am interesting your video from Venezuela if you could translate it to Spanish would be good thanks.
let them know that both sprockets are marked intake & exhaust
Do you need to purchase a new crank shaft bolt?
Yes I did, per instructions in the manual I used.
I was looking at using cloyes. Is it still holding up good?
It's been two years now and the car is still running fine.
The Original Mechanic , Well that's good. All I hear is horror stories about aftermarket chains. But after talking with cloyes they said their chains are made to OEM spec and you're going on 2 years. So that helps me make my decision. Cloyes it is.
cloyes is the top of the line oem replacement.. i work at an auto parts store and the cloyes is deff a quality product
I just bought a new cloyes timing set for my 2.2 Eco tec too it's going great and this is my first time replacing a set on that engine but it worked out great it runs like a champ I changed out other timing chain sets before on other Motors but this one was very interesting to tackle down while in the car
I bought both kits off of Amazon and both are made in China. I was wondering if yours were too. I thought they were made in Arkansas, that's why I bought Cloyes. Amazon states country of origin France on one listing and USA on the other. Boxes look legit but don't want clones. I don't know to install or send back. Any thoughts? Thanks I tried to read the sticker on your box, but to blurry to read
I don't know. It is frustrating to find parts that aren't outsourced. I bought an OEM AC compressor for my F150 and it was made in China. Still working good two years later though. What choice do we have?
if you were going to check all the valve train why wouldnt you check valve lash also with feeler gauges? good video though
amigo si lo puede traducir al español se lo agradeceria soy de venezuela
no es suficiente con hacer el video?
very good your video will be possible to translate into Spanish thanks.
I didn't know that translating could be done. Thanks for watching!
10:09 Activate the tensioner
Just did a whgle timing chain, balancing chain, rocker arms and lifters kits, and the ecotec is easy and also a fucking bitch sometimes
These engines are junk. G M should have used the 3.1 -3.4 platform for these cars. All these engines with the cam solonoids are just money pits
Are you joking lol? The 3.1 and 3.4 were significantly more problematic than these engines. 70% of the problems that are reported about the ecotec engines literally come back to vehicle maintenance, everytime i've seen one of these chew up a timing chain, the engine was low on oil and the oil was heavily over used.
i been doing this longer than you been alive a real mechanc gets his hands dirty, no offense buddy. there might be hope for you yet but you got a way to go to call yourself a mechanic.... lets see you put one together with no timng marks
well jake , how about you make a video and quit being a bitch about this guys .
this isnt the 1930's . gloves are a godsend . if you want to look like some hilljack with those nasty dirty fingernails . by all means have at it . im with this guy .
wow.... that not true at all..... i am 40 year technician and i do wear glove . not to many tech work with out glove today
My wife likes me to touch her with totally clean hands, love gloves
lol i was just about to say that probably the only thing he gets to touch with those grease monkey hands are his dirty dick hehehehe no offense BUDDY !!! what the fuck does wearing a pair of gloves has to do with his capacity of doing mechanics!? to me it only proves that he is using is brain. i bet you probably got your hands way more dirty than they should of been more than once just to make it look like you did more work than you actually did just so you could charge extra !
I bet he bathes in brake clean too, have fun with early cancer! Idiot.