The way I see it, C418 wants to continue owning his own music while Microsoft wants to own the rights of vanilla Minecraft's content. Owning his music means Microsoft can use it in other forms of the ip like in spinoff games.
When the terraria music played, I realized that terraria and Minecraft go at very different paces. Minecraft more slow and calm, but in terraria you can always see constant movement no matter where you go. The reason that the town day song would never work in Minecraft is purely because of the pace difference of the games.
@@dascreeb5205 im not trying to argue, but there are reasons why minecraft doesnt have music constantly playing, some games like skyrim and terraria have constant music, but minecraft wouldnt feel the same at all if it had that too. plus, it adds a sense of joy when you DO get to listen to the beautifull melodies that the game has to offer, its a style choice, and i personally like that choice! and dont get me wrong, i LOVE terrarias music and skyrims dynamicly changing soundtrack, but they wouldnt fit as well in minecrfat for me. end of rant.
@@dascreeb5205It's because the soundtrack itself would be too short if it was dynamic. Said C418 himself when he composed the track all the way back. Though, with the fact that there are bosses there is reason to make battle music but ever since the decision to make the soundtrack ambient it has stayed that way.
I really hope Mojang brings 4J Studios back, Bedrock runs terribly on consoles, so having them focus on that aspect would probably help with the game. Or at least letting them bring in the mini-games in some form to Bedrock
It takes half an hour for the new minecraft on Xbox one to load. The old one, however, despite it being outdated, literally takes 39 seconds. Microsoft moment. Edit: as of now it seems to perform much better. Took a while.
@@Thumb_ the fact that certain mobile devices have more render distance than the New gen consoles, and nearly every other device loads up the game faster than the consoles is insane
Sad to see Microsoft screwing over something Minecraft-related once again. It was important that C418 did explicitly say it's a Microsoft thing and not a Mojang thing though, since a lot of people tend to get mad at Mojang for Microsoft's tomfoolery
The issue is Mojang has more authority than people want to pretend no matter what. As an organization, they could throw their weight around as Microsoft is not willing to risk that product. It has been done a million times before by subsidiaries of other companies, but for some reason Mojang gets a pass.
This reminded me of the Mick Gordon situation with ID Studios. One reason I absolutely hate the law system in the U.S.(and any country that has the same system) is that either someone can be stalled out by a corporation until they are financially unable to stay in the court fight or they bury you with the best lawyers who know how to convince to win a fight.
I don't know, I love the new music and all, but every soundtrack made by C418 just sounds more Minecrafty. I'm not saying that I don't like Lena Raine's work, for example, but when I launch Minecraft, the menu soundtrack makes me feel a sad for no reason, while the old versions (Legacy versions) were perfect for a menu to sit and customize your new world, skins, whatever... *just wanted to add that I loved Pigstep as a disc, probably one of my favorites
@@MattMarkYT I stand by my thoughts on how I find all of the new Overworld music to outright not fit the Overworld. So much so it lead to pretty much complaining anytime it started playing. I found the nether music fine as it really fit the atmosphere.. but when they added new tracks for the Overworld/Menu.. it just doesn’t land right. I make exception for the Deep Dark/Ancient City music though for Overworld music. Lena Raine is great at otherworldly.. but the music for the Overworld/Menu isn’t right for the style of the game too much so. Only thing I can say is I made a resource pack to outright stop the new Overworld/Menu music playing so it’s all only C418 music on my Realm minus the Nether and Deep Dark. Only issue is I will have to revise it as I learned they really set the volume for new music way too high. Example being C418 music internally is set to like 10-30% (only 1 track 10% and one 30%, all the rest is 20%).. all of Lena’s work is set to 40%.. or more I believe for Deep Dark.
The songs by c418 seem a lot more nostalgic and more in-tune to Minecraft's vibe if that makes any sense, rather than the newer songs on the CD's by Lena Raine. I love the music they made, but it just doesn't give that same vibe that makes me think 'oh yeah this is from Minecraft, this is a Minecraft song'.
@@meowmeowcat99yo can you give a download of that resource pack I would appreciate it I also prefer the original overworld music compared to the new one
for fans of Minecraft's OG music, i highly recommend exploring C418's other works, they really showcase his versatility as an artist. personally, my favorite album of his is '148', which actually features a few Minecraft remixes from the original soundtrack (such as Vierton, Aria Math, and Biome Party, not to mention a gorgeous remix of Droopy Ricochets and Droopy Remembers). additionally, i highly recommend 'Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures', 'Excursions', and 'One'. What amazes me about C418 is his ability to maintain that signature Minecraft-ian sound; beautiful, lush, full chord progressions, while being able to completely change styles with fast, upbeat, tempos, with driving synths, and what can only be described as pure electronica. C418 is honestly a huge inspiration to me as an artist, he manages to breathe so much life into digital music. truly one of the GOATs!
ONE is such an wonderful little albient album. I saved up money to buy the CD when I was in middle school, and it got me through a lot. I'd highly recommend Dief as well.
Minecraft has just become a money farming method for Microsoft. It's c418s music that still gives Minecraft its nostalgic vibe and now they want it gone just for money Edit: I'm not saying the new music is bad, in fact lena raine produces amazing new music like otherside and infinite amethyst but nothing can quite compare with volume alpha and beta.
Should a company care enough about your nostalgia that they're willing to spend money for it? No one spends money on Micecraft IP to hear music. Having music enhances the game but that can be done with tons of different music. What you don't find to be nostalgic will become nostalgic for someone else playing the game for the first time.
Nothing beats OG C418. I love ALL of his music on Minecraft. Wait, Cat, Far, Ward etc discs are absolutely supreme. I like Otherside and Pigstep but they don’t feel as Minecraft-esque
I think Kumi is definitely doing a great job of capturing the esscense of C418's music, while on the other hand Lena had her own style that I personally think matches the new updates really well. C418 definitely is the GOAT though.
Minecraft isn't Minecraft without C418 music. The new music is fine I guess, but the music he made is so unique and so special to the game. When I hear any of the new songs come on they feel just out of place and not right, sure it could be that I'm still trying to get used to them, but I really don't see why they needed to add more songs to the soundtrack, it just seems completely pointless to me and seems like an unnecessary altering of one of the key components of the game.
I like some of the new songs, but I completely agree, nothing about them says Minecraft. They feel like a splash of neon color against a black and white canvas. I miss C418’s work.
the new tracks are biome specific, so i assume they exist because Mojang wanted music that complements the biomes and makes biomes more unique. it's the same thing as C418's ocean music. from my perspective, the new tracks appeal more to the "natural" side of Minecraft, while the old tracks appeal to the player experience and Minecraft as a whole
I definitely don't like the new music. It's not bad in and of itself it's just bad in the game, completely unwitting and out of place. The music system was also completely broken when they added this music as o have noticed songs don't really come on at random anymore. It's the same few songs in a loop over and over consistently. If that wasn't bad enough they couldn't even be bothered to implement the new music properly as it's significantly louder than the rest. Nothing like an out of place song that sounds like a sunrise playing while you're deep in a mine and at a volume so loud you can't even hear the blocks breaking let alone the potential mob coming for you. I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to mod to a slightly older version of the game which I find really sad.
I can understand both sides completely. C418 wants to retain ownership of his music, new and old, likely for both creative and monetary reasons. Microsoft just wants to commission him to make music for Minecraft that they'll own, which is the industry standard. If C418 won't take a flat fee, there are thousands of other composers that will, shame but it's business.
It was my understanding that C418's contract with Mojang was that they had exclusive rights to publish as Minecraft content and he retained ownership of the music. This however was a contract made with Notch as part of Mojang and not with Microsoft.
@@That0Homeless0Guy That is also a contract made under Swedish law. In most parts of europe, it's legally impossible for ownership of art to transfer away from the artist (except to their heirs) because that is considered an inalienable right.
@@thomasdiehlen77 I wonder if this is what they are trying to work out then. Possibly he is willing to sell but is worried about logistics. I feel like even if he doesn't they will find a place for him to contribute, possibly in Legends.
Just because it's industry standard doesn't mean it's good. This is just a way for the scumbag corporations to squeeze out more money and take rights (in this case, the right of someone's ownership to their own art) away from their workers.
I’ve always loved Taswell. It is always one to put on my stereo set, crank it up, dim the lights, sit back, and take in. If it is indeed a memorial track, that would make it even more beautiful.
This is the same basis as the DOOM Eternal Soundtrack issue, where the studio wanted the rights to all of the sounds and every arrangement (ignoring the production issues of that album) despite the fact that the guy who made it just wanted to own what he made
I actually like C418 music more than the others, because they don't give me jump scares when I'm exploring a cave or something. The music is calming, and is motivational even when doing mundane tasks.
yea, his music fades in and fades out, never asking for the player's attention but rather just adding just enough to relieve us from the silence of the Minecraft world. The new music sounds like it's trying to be a bit more serious and prove that it exists if that makes sense.
Yeah, and in the case of the new musics, it doesn't help the fact that: when you're exploring a cave, lighting your way in it, trying to look for monsters while everything is silent, a music suddenly starts playing out of nowhere. That literally gave me a jump scare twice when I was exploring caves.
Terrarias music is a different vibe. Just like is a much different vibe of a game even though it has similarity to minecraft both are iconic in their own way
I always did feel so comforted by the music in minecraft Alpha when I was a child specifically I would hum along and feel like everything was going to be ok
I really don't mind getting music from other creators, as long as we don't get so many music tracks that the og's never come up during gameplay, but the fact that there's a whole unreleased 3rd C418 album is mind boggling. I really want to hear it.
My biggest beef with the newer OST is that it really just feels like it's for children, as for Daniel's feels like it speaks to us adults, and gives us a very personal feeling similar, but unique in conjunction to our experiences with the game back in the old Alpha, and Beta when we grew up.
Perhaps a way to settle this problem is how the Pokemon ip is owned partly by Gamefreak, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company. Apparently there's something called "slicensing", which I guess means more than one person or company owns the rights to an ip somehow. So if C418 and Microsoft could strike a deal where they become co-owners of Album Delta, the result is Microsoft could use the music in future version of Minecraft and C418 could sell the music on his own. Everyone is happy! Speaking of, Hershey gets a cut of every M&M's thing sold.
@@cakecheese2895 it does not strictly need to be a monetary dispute. Imaging the artist wants to use his own music in a politcal piece, but Microsoft does not want "their game music" to be politically loaded. How do you square that?
@@sarowie Microsoft is most of the time doing things for the money, if they can get other composers for cheaper/better deals for them, they’ll probably do it. However, they could also be just saying no because they Microsoft, so they do bad decisions just because. So it can be either way, I’m not fully sure, but it also doesn’t mean either option isn’t false as well.
I really wish they would let C418 make music for this game again (obviously I still think the new tracks are really good, made by amazing composers) particularly because I want to know what would be on that third Minecraft album though hey, at least they aren't straight up removing C418's music from the game, honestly I think if that happened the community's response would probably be far more negative than even the chat reporting stuff
If they removed all C418 music in game, I would consider quitting forever. At the very least, I would not be playing any of the new versions until there was some mod adding the music back, or I made my own mod.
I still can't understand the negativity about chat report stuff. Isn't it standart practice for almost every online game out there? I can't remember playing an online enabled game without a reporting option
@@metinhesenov It's also typically standard practice for servers to be hosted by the owners of the game. Servers are community driven here. Mojang should not feel the need to interject themselves into communities that have already figured out how to moderate themselves, pay for their own hosting, and develop their own plugins. If Mojang hosted official servers and applied it there, that's fine. It's why VAC bans make sense and aren't controversial on steam. You get VAC banned, you get banned from the servers *Steam* hosts, but it doesn't affect community servers. That's a fine system.
@@metinhesenov It’s terrible moderation. It doesn’t really fix anything either way, because servers will just disable it anyways, and then it’s almost useless.
If the song played at the end of the video was one of the unreleased battle mode tracks, it was definitely made by C418 because it uses a musical motif from Alpha, the track that plays during the credits
Normally composer only licenses their music to the company so that they can use it whilst the composer still has the rights to it and can freely release it as a ost. This is considered standard in the industry but I don't know what kind of deal C418 made and it seems that in this case it's more complicated.
That is the deal he made, but Microsoft doesn't want to commission more music from him under these terms. That's why they switched to another composer.
Personally I'm glad C418 keeps the rights to his music. I wouldn't want to see Microsoft use his original minecraft music in something like a spin off or movie. The music belongs with minecraft, and I'd hate to see Microsoft use it as a money cow.
I still play the minigames on psvita regularly, it's amazing to find loads of others still playing. I wish they'd come back in modern Minecraft with more items and bigger maps
We also have to remember (and I feel this may be the reason) that C418 is one of the oldest "Minecraft staff" he was producing all these different songs for Notch who now is no longer associated with Minecraft. Also doesn't it seem suspicious that they seemingly dropped c418 in favour of Lena Raine right around the time of the Notchroversy
They dropped him because Microsoft wants to own all rights to in-game music. C418 owns volume alpha and beta and Mojang/Microsoft have a license to use in Minecraft. But they can't use it for say when they collaborated with Smash Bros. That's why they got new people for vanilla and dungeons and you can see that those tracks list Microsoft as the owner whereas for C418's music it lists him as the owner.
He was producing songs for Notch because Notch hired him to do the music, this says nothing about C418’s character. You can be a business partner without agreeing with the other person’s views. Some people who worked with him back then, such as Jeb, are still around, too. Notch seemingly kept his views private until some years ago long after he already sold the company, so there’s a good possibility a lot of them weren’t aware either. It’s very likely the only reason they aren’t working with C418 anymore is due to the disagreement over the music rights, as stated in the video.
If an agreement doesn’t work out, I’d love to at least see this album release in the form of a resource pack. I would absolutely use it, and I’m sure many others would too
Just listened to those 4 tracks, I think they are indeed C418's composition and sound design, some parts of them sound a bit unmixed/unrefined but this would make sense cause they ended up hiring Gareth so no need for a final mix/master from C418's side, I could be wrong but yeah C418 is my favourite composer and biggest inspiration, hopefully one day they'll let him release volume 3
This is such a damn shame. He's an incredibly talented artist who was key to Mincraft's growth. Microsoft sucks. They've ruined so many things and burned out so many great programmers.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 It's not really mutually beneficial if only C418 benefitted. Minecraft would still be the same if it had a different soundtrack, it's been over a decade, anything would be nostalgic.
@@XrayTheMyth23good soundtracks make or break games and movies, there's no guarantee Minecraft would be perceived or as successful if it had different music, it's mutually beneficial, thinking Minecraft wouldn't change much without him is just deluded corporate talk
software dev here(who do spritework and music on free time when making games as a hobby): you might not own the rights to the features you made, but some of the things you make are also not owned by the company. and there is a massive difference between game features and music or sprites. game features need to be maintained constantly meaning that they do, in fact, keep paying you for that feature for as long as you work there, so making a feature only provides you more work opportunities later. on the other hand sprites and music are a "one off" service and are usually protected by royalty earnings for their use as after a piece has been made it can be replayed or displayed as many times as you want with no breaking issues(music doesn't stop musicing for no reason, same for images)
If Notch never sold Minecraft, it may have been less popular, had a lower quality, had less updates, had fewer impacts on gaming. But it would be pure, uncorrupted. Is Notch truly happier with that 2 billion dollars?
I’ve been wanting to know why c418’s album 1 & 2 hasn’t been in for years. IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK. THAT MAN DESERVES EVERY PENNY, every song is a MASTER PIECE.
C418 was a genius, and scrapping him was honestly one of the things that ruined modern Minecraft for me. Its just not the same anymore. I now just turn music off and find Minecrafty C418 albums to put on while I play, even if its a pretty iffy solution. I really wish that the 3rd volume releases so someone can make a texture pack of it and I can enjoy the nostalgia once again. I really respect him for working so hard to keep the rights to the music too, since it means nobody has to be afraid of using it in their videos. He wasn't willing to bow down to a corporation even if it cost him a lot. What an absolute icon of a generation, we'll never forget Minecraft Volume Beta, even if Micro$oft has.
They basically are saying "why should you get rich off your work when we can" not really a way to see this from Microsoft's side but also if they have other composers who are willing to do it their way then they should just go their separate ways.
@@ala8455 He wants to own his own music so that Microsoft can't just use it for whatever they want. I'm sure he wouldn't be allowed to put it up on UA-cam if Microsoft owned it. He doesn't want to be controlled by a massive corporation. But saying this is probably pointless when you are on the side of Microsoft... No reasonable person would take their side.
I bought Minecraft for PS4 recently, every time I boot it up, I go straight to “Editions”. The only time I hit the normal “Play” button, is when I am showing off slow load times and how broken the new game is to other people.
How did you get the editions button working? I have wanted to play the latest ps4 editon for awhile but I can’t see the editions button, so I’m stuck on the first version that came with the disk.
@@TheSonicKidMC I got a used copy of the disc version of the game released back in that time. I canceled the update (though you can just delete it whenever), then I played around a bit for nostalgia reasons, but also to trigger the button to appear later. Then, I updated the game.
What's even sadder is that Microsoft seems to be trying to get rid of his music slowly by continuing to add new music from multiple different composer's and making tracks only play in specific biomes. Even though this can be noticed many people just ignore it or don't care enough because either they are not as connected to C418's music or because they're so used to the new music now. I keep thinking C418's music is still here until it isn't. I really hope it doesn't get to the point where they straight up remove it from the game but even now there's just so much new music getting added that eventually it'll just be rare to hear one of C418's tracks.
Big companies are like "when we paid you for the copyrighted music, we then own it, just like any physical item." But then when the consumer says "oh, so when we buy a digital copyrighted game, we own it forever, and we can even resell it to someone else, just like any physical item"? Then the big company gets angry because only they get to actually own anything.
I remember the first time I heard Mice On Venus. It was back in version 1.3.2 and I was lost, trying to go back to my base. I was getting so frustrated, until I saw a torch in the distance, above a little hill. I climbed it and there it was, on the other side, the frozen lake next to my tiny base. That's the moment I fell in love with Minecraft and became my favorite game ever. C418 is one of the most iconic composers in recent history, right up there with John Williams, Hans Zimmer or Allan Silvestri. It's such a shame this situation got this complicated.
the minecrafts whole "oh we trying protect the minecraft original feel and soul" thing and and immediately lawyer bombing the the guy who is main elements of the og minecraft saying everything we need to know. it been said for years now its a dead game and big numbers of players playing on older versions to feel that same emotions
The way I see it, the issue is that C418 wants to continue working under the standards of an indie composer on a game that hasn’t been an indie game for a long time. He’s seeking the standards for the industry Minecraft was in when he first came to the team, and Microsoft is seeking the standard for the industry Minecraft is in now. The indie industry and the mainstream game industry are two completely different cans of worms with two completely different sets of standards for what is considered normal and acceptable. Perfectly normal for the composer working on an indie game to own the rights and make royalties, perfectly normal for composers working on powerhouse games owned by corporations to be compensated in a lump-sum instead. At the end of the day, yeah it sucks that we don’t have any new C418 tracks, but Microsoft is within their rights to seek what is considered the reasonable industry standard for a game of Minecraft’s scale. Toycat is right in pointing out that they wouldn’t have someone like Lena Raine working for them if they weren’t offering reasonable deals. Either one of the parties will have to bend to the other, or C418 will have to move on to other things. The problem is that he’ll probably run into the same issue with most other big-name games. He’s in a kill-or-be-killed industry, unfortunately you can’t usually have your cake and eat it too.
I'm excited to hear the mini game music you linked. I was late to the Minecraft party, and was just starting to understand who C418 was around the time Microsoft phased him out. I was happy to see he produces outside of the MC universe, but am super excited to know that there is more MC stuff from him out there, and if we're lucky enough somehow, that might see the light of day.
They should just let C418 own the music, and then he can produce more music for other spin off games for Microsoft if he wants. That way they both get what they want in a way.
I just realized something, so remember when Steve was added to Smash Bros, they dind't get any of the original songs because they would be "too slow for the game" so instead they went with songs from minecraft dungeons? I see it now, it never was about the pace, It's about the legality of using C418 songs, that's why they didn't include any of those.
@@jeremyjimenez7858 it wouldn't matter much though. You can go on a killing spree in minecraft with the same music so it wouldn't change much. Plus smash already has some calm soundtracks
Wow I wonder how many new tracks in this Volume 3 he's worked on could've been classics! It's like finding out your fav band whose albums and singles you've all heard had a secret unreleased piece this whole time!
For me, i hear C418’s music like a story. Its different every time you listen but always just as entertaining even without gameplay added. I just can’t get that feeling of the story with the newer music.
3:53 "Only" got paid 20,000 euros for a poem???? That makes it probably one of the most profitable poems in history. How on earth could you be upset over that?
I think the features of minecraft being compared to owning the music isn't a fair comparison. Those can't exist without minecraft, when the soundtrack can be enjoyed without it. I think Microsoft should just stop being greedy over copyright and let the music come back. Edit: He also doesn't want copyright strikes on people's stuff, remember what happened with pigstep when that came out?
Yeah its more like he wants to sell microsoft the rights to use his music in the game instead of selling the music. This means microsoft cant just use his music in spin-offs without his permission, but at the same time they will always be able to use it in minecraft.
I think a lot of people probably figured out at some point (or at least I did a while back) that the theme playing at 13:50 is also present in C418's "Alpha", and so it was easy to presume the original Battlemode tracks were, in fact, done by Daniel since they reuse so many motifs from his official soundtrack
I want a button to turn off the newer music and to just be left with C418’s soundtrack. At the very least. I know I am speaking for many more people that want this as well
Stuff like this is gonna make me quit completely. I remember playing on older versions and having the time of my life, nowadays my survival world is a slideshow... I'm just done with these big companies ruining everything.
I'd just wish for all the minecraft music creators to maybe be in a room and work on a soundtrack together, like a band with giving me and alot of other people hope for creativity, Microsoft is not the problem, infact nobody is the problem and all the problem is Corporations are actually controlling all of that, and Mojang is having trouble producing alot of things with technical problems with what people govern over.
What version are you playing in the background? It looks like a 4j console version but it’s one 1.14 or above because of the outposts? Did they update it?
I disagree, c418 is completely different then them. I don’t mean to sound rude but to be fair there is a reason they are hiring these people in opposition to c418, they’ll give into the corporation to create music that they think will fit the game while c418 just made music he liked and it fit perfectly
Isn’t there also a whole issue inside the marketplace where they are releasing content of other ips but because the blame is on the creator who “supposivly” got the permissions to post the content mojang avoids legal trouble?
I think it’s an ownership thing, I’m confident Microsoft would pay him well for releasing a 3rd album, but they want to tie off loose ends and try and make everything new in the game owned by them fully just for brand protection.
Due to how licensing works, and the fact that it has a stretching melody within that's almost an exact copy from Alpha, it's pretty safe to believe that C418 DID in fact make those four Battle Mode tracks.
Comparing music to Minecraft features doesn't make much sense. Programmers are *not* paid on a feature-by-feature basis and musicians *are* paid on a piece-by-piece basis. Features aren't also protected by copyright laws, just ask PUBG and Fortnite or Fortnite and Minecraft. You also can't sell "a feature" unless there's an entire game built to support it, but you can sell music without any game to support it. This idea that Microsoft should own the music made for the game is indefensible and should never be considered the industry standard. This is exactly why we can't have the nice version of Doom Eternal soundtrack produced and released.
"screw your memories and your history, the money in our pockets is a victory" really sad to see c418 is slowly fading from Minecraft, wouldn't be surprising but yet upsetting if Microsoft removes his songs because they can't get into an agreement
No, as a musician, respectfully disagree here - giving up rights to things YOU make is not something you should be required to do and I'm with C418 on this one all the way.
You should talk about mojang not wanting to fix the editions button for minecraft ps4 digitally, they literally don't want to limit people access to their own purchase
It works for me on ps4, you just have to click it the *second* it shows up. If you wait long enough to click it (10 seconds at least) it's not gonna work
07:43 "You want Minecraft to be the best game it can be..." Which is a bit hard if you discontinue the main soundtrack of the game and, going forward, replace it with tracks that are just not quite right. (Except for Rubedo, Chrysopoeia, So Below and Infinite Amethyst. [And the disks. Disks are disks, it's a different story.] ) (I can't state an opinion about the Tricky Trials tracks because I haven't gotten to listen to them as much yet.)
Why did this turn into corporate bootlicking in favor of a billion-dollar international megacorp? Artists deserve to have ownership over their work, musicians especially have a long, long history of getting bent over by record labels and media companies, never really owning their life's work.
I had no idea Gareth Coker did the majority of the minecraft minigames soundtrack! He did the music for the Ori games which are some of my favorite games ever so thats pretty neat!
@@jeremyjimenez7858 it's common to license such things, also doesn't buy in this context mean buy the rights? Which no sane person should do, the current environment is really tough on artists and people are trying to rip them off even more, disgusting.
Daniel has said it won't be called "Delta" on (I believe) the subreddit named after him before. Yeah, really hope we get to hear this art one day, and even more I hope Daniel gets what he deserves.
imagine being a big company owning what is pretty much universally considered a masterpiece of a game and not treating one of the important artists in its success with care
Honestly both sides are reasonable arguments. It's a standard for artists to sell the rights to their work by being commissioned for said piece be it music, artwork, game assets, etc. I'm not normally one to defend big corporations but this is just standard business practice. It's honestly just something that has to be negotiated by the team to reach something of an agreement. There's not really a right or wrong side and it's just to conflicting normal opinions.
The new composers definitely aren't bad. But in my opinion the music is just wildly out of place in minecraft. And for whatever reason the devs broke the music system as well? So now I hear the same songs on loop as opposed to random songs at random times. I don't understand why if they couldn't come to an agreement they just didn't continue to add music and left it as is. The system worked well and there was plenty of music. They certainly release their good and bad updates but this out of place new music as well as the deliberately broken music system is the first time I'm so displeased with things as they are currently that I'm thinking of modding back to a slightly older version of the game. They current setup in the game feels as out of place as playing skyrim without music and ambient sounds. Just kills the vibe for me.
I get that presenting this as a "both sides" thing is reassuring, gives you the impression to be fair and balanced, but nah, corporations just suck. People make games, not companies. Of course a company's looking for their own interests, that doesn't make it right. Who decided they had to own the music of games, who decided buying the OST from the people who actually made it was bad, somehow? Sorry fam I ain't gonna weep for Microsoft's bottom line of all things.
true this. and get this, C418's previous tracks are still in the game. the ones he still owns the rights to... so the new tracks could 100% have also been added with no more legal repercussions than there already are by having the existing C418 tracks
Don't know about that Wanting to own the music to your game is pretty reasonable and it is standard practice In this situation there really isn't someone who is wrong
@@tigaliyt common sense decided it was reasonable It's very easy to understand why someone would want to be able to use the music in their game whichever way they want And as an aspiring indie game developer i would want to be able to use music in my game in whatever way i want
We should make a petition for him to be able to release album 3 with the same requirement as before. Thats such a small thing and the least thing we could do as OG minecrafters...
7:20 I feel like a developer should own the rights to use whatever feature however they want, since it's their code and hard work, but microsoft should have the same rights.
The way I see it, C418 wants to continue owning his own music while Microsoft wants to own the rights of vanilla Minecraft's content. Owning his music means Microsoft can use it in other forms of the ip like in spinoff games.
It's a big considerable possibility.
Exactly. This is why they couldn't use classic music in Smash Bros and i think they got some from Dungeons instead
@@rudrasingh6354 Yep. Dungeons and the console edition minigames
It's pretty reasonable from both sides, they both want something seen as "normal" from their own perspectives
@@toycat dang c418 looks kinda like he could be your brother 😺
When the terraria music played, I realized that terraria and Minecraft go at very different paces. Minecraft more slow and calm, but in terraria you can always see constant movement no matter where you go. The reason that the town day song would never work in Minecraft is purely because of the pace difference of the games.
Also terraria has environmental music which changes a lot, I really hate mojangs pointless, almost defiant incompetence.
@@dascreeb5205 im not trying to argue, but there are reasons why minecraft doesnt have music constantly playing, some games like skyrim and terraria have constant music, but minecraft wouldnt feel the same at all if it had that too. plus, it adds a sense of joy when you DO get to listen to the beautifull melodies that the game has to offer, its a style choice, and i personally like that choice! and dont get me wrong, i LOVE terrarias music and skyrims dynamicly changing soundtrack, but they wouldnt fit as well in minecrfat for me. end of rant.
@@pixleplays305 no, I mean it has no dynamic music.
I never want to listen to it while I'm playing it because the game doesn't make me want to.
@@dascreeb5205It's because the soundtrack itself would be too short if it was dynamic. Said C418 himself when he composed the track all the way back. Though, with the fact that there are bosses there is reason to make battle music but ever since the decision to make the soundtrack ambient it has stayed that way.
@@basedcheese1 doesn't make it good.
I’ve started to notice his music has been playing less and less frequently in my worlds
same
Same
Yeah, it looks like I am not only one who noticed this
Yeah, there's no way that's a coincidence, especially since there is more old than new music
it's really sad, his music is so beautiful and so nostalgic to so many people
I really hope Mojang brings 4J Studios back, Bedrock runs terribly on consoles, so having them focus on that aspect would probably help with the game. Or at least letting them bring in the mini-games in some form to Bedrock
4J Studios made minecraft so much better
@@Athlete_Steve agreed
It takes half an hour for the new minecraft on Xbox one to load.
The old one, however, despite it being outdated, literally takes 39 seconds.
Microsoft moment.
Edit: as of now it seems to perform much better. Took a while.
i still play Wii U minecraft minigames sometimes, the servers re still up the last time i played
@@Thumb_ the fact that certain mobile devices have more render distance than the New gen consoles, and nearly every other device loads up the game faster than the consoles is insane
Sad to see Microsoft screwing over something Minecraft-related once again. It was important that C418 did explicitly say it's a Microsoft thing and not a Mojang thing though, since a lot of people tend to get mad at Mojang for Microsoft's tomfoolery
How are they screwing anything up? They own the game. They should own the rights. If c418 wants to own his own music, he should just make music.
he still actively makes music that’s not minecraft, but he still wants to make music for the game
The issue is Mojang has more authority than people want to pretend no matter what. As an organization, they could throw their weight around as Microsoft is not willing to risk that product. It has been done a million times before by subsidiaries of other companies, but for some reason Mojang gets a pass.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 yeah, the only other company in a similar situation is Marvel, where the fan base always blames Disney for the bad stuff
@@RepeatedAxe there’s also 343 and Halo under Microsoft, where a lot of Microsoft’s tomfoolery (F2P, the store, rushed release) is blamed on 343.
This reminded me of the Mick Gordon situation with ID Studios. One reason I absolutely hate the law system in the U.S.(and any country that has the same system) is that either someone can be stalled out by a corporation until they are financially unable to stay in the court fight or they bury you with the best lawyers who know how to convince to win a fight.
I was commenting about this because Minecraft and DOOM are the only games I play
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I don't know, I love the new music and all, but every soundtrack made by C418 just sounds more Minecrafty. I'm not saying that I don't like Lena Raine's work, for example, but when I launch Minecraft, the menu soundtrack makes me feel a sad for no reason, while the old versions (Legacy versions) were perfect for a menu to sit and customize your new world, skins, whatever...
*just wanted to add that I loved Pigstep as a disc, probably one of my favorites
Some of Lena Raine's music is great but there are some tracks such as the one released in 1.19 where it's just jazz. It's not even Minecraft.
@@MattMarkYT and a lot of the new songs are just too loud, doesn’t sound good.
@@MattMarkYT I stand by my thoughts on how I find all of the new Overworld music to outright not fit the Overworld. So much so it lead to pretty much complaining anytime it started playing. I found the nether music fine as it really fit the atmosphere.. but when they added new tracks for the Overworld/Menu.. it just doesn’t land right. I make exception for the Deep Dark/Ancient City music though for Overworld music. Lena Raine is great at otherworldly.. but the music for the Overworld/Menu isn’t right for the style of the game too much so.
Only thing I can say is I made a resource pack to outright stop the new Overworld/Menu music playing so it’s all only C418 music on my Realm minus the Nether and Deep Dark. Only issue is I will have to revise it as I learned they really set the volume for new music way too high. Example being C418 music internally is set to like 10-30% (only 1 track 10% and one 30%, all the rest is 20%).. all of Lena’s work is set to 40%.. or more I believe for Deep Dark.
The songs by c418 seem a lot more nostalgic and more in-tune to Minecraft's vibe if that makes any sense, rather than the newer songs on the CD's by Lena Raine. I love the music they made, but it just doesn't give that same vibe that makes me think 'oh yeah this is from Minecraft, this is a Minecraft song'.
@@meowmeowcat99yo can you give a download of that resource pack I would appreciate it I also prefer the original overworld music compared to the new one
for fans of Minecraft's OG music, i highly recommend exploring C418's other works, they really showcase his versatility as an artist. personally, my favorite album of his is '148', which actually features a few Minecraft remixes from the original soundtrack (such as Vierton, Aria Math, and Biome Party, not to mention a gorgeous remix of Droopy Ricochets and Droopy Remembers).
additionally, i highly recommend 'Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures', 'Excursions', and 'One'. What amazes me about C418 is his ability to maintain that signature Minecraft-ian sound; beautiful, lush, full chord progressions, while being able to completely change styles with fast, upbeat, tempos, with driving synths, and what can only be described as pure electronica.
C418 is honestly a huge inspiration to me as an artist, he manages to breathe so much life into digital music. truly one of the GOATs!
ONE is so good. he said it was his favorite abum. that. and excursions is so freaking good wow
What's the name of the aria math remix?
ONE is such an wonderful little albient album. I saved up money to buy the CD when I was in middle school, and it got me through a lot. I'd highly recommend Dief as well.
@@maxxer4557 aria economy from the album 148!
@@banukaii Agree
Minecraft has just become a money farming method for Microsoft. It's c418s music that still gives Minecraft its nostalgic vibe and now they want it gone just for money
Edit: I'm not saying the new music is bad, in fact lena raine produces amazing new music like otherside and infinite amethyst but nothing can quite compare with volume alpha and beta.
Its not just the nostalgia. C418 was a musical genius, and Lena Raine cant reproduce his style.
thats why i dont trust microcock and their scummy buisness practices. seriously getting hard to even want to play block game anymore because of it.
It’s Minecraft’s responsibility to make a return on investment to its shareholders. Don’t blame the player blame the game.
@@anthonypena3322 it's not their" responsibility " , you can still make money with a good game , do you enjoy seeing games ruined by corporate greed?
Should a company care enough about your nostalgia that they're willing to spend money for it? No one spends money on Micecraft IP to hear music. Having music enhances the game but that can be done with tons of different music. What you don't find to be nostalgic will become nostalgic for someone else playing the game for the first time.
Nothing beats OG C418. I love ALL of his music on Minecraft. Wait, Cat, Far, Ward etc discs are absolutely supreme.
I like Otherside and Pigstep but they don’t feel as Minecraft-esque
How can you hype up c418’s discs without mentioning stal
Same bro C418 just hits different
@@cement_eater I was literally going to list them all, I can’t choose a favorite
I think Kumi is definitely doing a great job of capturing the esscense of C418's music, while on the other hand Lena had her own style that I personally think matches the new updates really well. C418 definitely is the GOAT though.
@@cement_eater stal and strad are my fav
Minecraft isn't Minecraft without C418 music. The new music is fine I guess, but the music he made is so unique and so special to the game. When I hear any of the new songs come on they feel just out of place and not right, sure it could be that I'm still trying to get used to them, but I really don't see why they needed to add more songs to the soundtrack, it just seems completely pointless to me and seems like an unnecessary altering of one of the key components of the game.
I like some of the new songs, but I completely agree, nothing about them says Minecraft. They feel like a splash of neon color against a black and white canvas. I miss C418’s work.
the new tracks are biome specific, so i assume they exist because Mojang wanted music that complements the biomes and makes biomes more unique. it's the same thing as C418's ocean music.
from my perspective, the new tracks appeal more to the "natural" side of Minecraft, while the old tracks appeal to the player experience and Minecraft as a whole
I definitely don't like the new music. It's not bad in and of itself it's just bad in the game, completely unwitting and out of place. The music system was also completely broken when they added this music as o have noticed songs don't really come on at random anymore. It's the same few songs in a loop over and over consistently. If that wasn't bad enough they couldn't even be bothered to implement the new music properly as it's significantly louder than the rest. Nothing like an out of place song that sounds like a sunrise playing while you're deep in a mine and at a volume so loud you can't even hear the blocks breaking let alone the potential mob coming for you. I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to mod to a slightly older version of the game which I find really sad.
The new music is not fine, lena raine is not good at this job. We want c418 for minecraft music, i hate the new lena raine songs!
@@TheFlyflyThe new tracks are literally so loud. Not very natural imo
I can understand both sides completely. C418 wants to retain ownership of his music, new and old, likely for both creative and monetary reasons. Microsoft just wants to commission him to make music for Minecraft that they'll own, which is the industry standard.
If C418 won't take a flat fee, there are thousands of other composers that will, shame but it's business.
and C418 himself might creat iconic Music for other Companies / Creators as well which could boost his reach and reputation
It was my understanding that C418's contract with Mojang was that they had exclusive rights to publish as Minecraft content and he retained ownership of the music. This however was a contract made with Notch as part of Mojang and not with Microsoft.
@@That0Homeless0Guy That is also a contract made under Swedish law. In most parts of europe, it's legally impossible for ownership of art to transfer away from the artist (except to their heirs) because that is considered an inalienable right.
@@thomasdiehlen77 I wonder if this is what they are trying to work out then. Possibly he is willing to sell but is worried about logistics. I feel like even if he doesn't they will find a place for him to contribute, possibly in Legends.
Just because it's industry standard doesn't mean it's good. This is just a way for the scumbag corporations to squeeze out more money and take rights (in this case, the right of someone's ownership to their own art) away from their workers.
The worst part may be that the song Taswell was dedicated to someone who passed away and now Microsoft owns it.
I think C418 stills owns his music in Minecraft (correct me if I'm wrong...). anyway I LOVE Taswell, its my favorite track in the game
I’ve always loved Taswell. It is always one to put on my stereo set, crank it up, dim the lights, sit back, and take in. If it is indeed a memorial track, that would make it even more beautiful.
@@chuckpatty1760 He doesn't
Daniel still owns the rights to all his music in Minecraft
This is the same basis as the DOOM Eternal Soundtrack issue, where the studio wanted the rights to all of the sounds and every arrangement (ignoring the production issues of that album) despite the fact that the guy who made it just wanted to own what he made
Yeah. The video comes off as tone deaf and so one sided to microsoft.
to be fair though, at least microsoft didn't slander c418 along the way.
@@anotheramber7074 wdym, I thought one of the big complaints they had was they said C418 was hard to work with?
I actually like C418 music more than the others, because they don't give me jump scares when I'm exploring a cave or something.
The music is calming, and is motivational even when doing mundane tasks.
yea, his music fades in and fades out, never asking for the player's attention but rather just adding just enough to relieve us from the silence of the Minecraft world. The new music sounds like it's trying to be a bit more serious and prove that it exists if that makes sense.
@@alexjustalexyt1144 It's the difference between looking for a tab of music playing outside the game vs. going to the options to turn the music off.
Yeah, and in the case of the new musics, it doesn't help the fact that: when you're exploring a cave, lighting your way in it, trying to look for monsters while everything is silent, a music suddenly starts playing out of nowhere.
That literally gave me a jump scare twice when I was exploring caves.
This new music is loud and annoying because I'm trying to listen and relax, but c418 is that perfect combination
The End (or whatever it's called) scared me with it sounding like my PC was BSODding.
Terraria music is great but Minecraft, C418 particularly just nailed that comforting vibe so incredibly well
Terrarias music is a different vibe. Just like is a much different vibe of a game even though it has similarity to minecraft both are iconic in their own way
comforting? Minecraft is a horror game
I always did feel so comforted by the music in minecraft Alpha when I was a child
specifically I would hum along and feel like everything was going to be ok
terraria music makes me feel cold and zoned out
I really don't mind getting music from other creators, as long as we don't get so many music tracks that the og's never come up during gameplay, but the fact that there's a whole unreleased 3rd C418 album is mind boggling. I really want to hear it.
I pray that they'll come to some agreement, we NEED another album from C418
microsoft is just typical evil corporation it doesnt care about mc only about profit now or later
My biggest beef with the newer OST is that it really just feels like it's for children, as for Daniel's feels like it speaks to us adults, and gives us a very personal feeling similar, but unique in conjunction to our experiences with the game back in the old Alpha, and Beta when we grew up.
Perhaps a way to settle this problem is how the Pokemon ip is owned partly by Gamefreak, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company. Apparently there's something called "slicensing", which I guess means more than one person or company owns the rights to an ip somehow. So if C418 and Microsoft could strike a deal where they become co-owners of Album Delta, the result is Microsoft could use the music in future version of Minecraft and C418 could sell the music on his own. Everyone is happy! Speaking of, Hershey gets a cut of every M&M's thing sold.
Everyone is happy, except for Microsoft who wants the full rights to C418's music
@@cakecheese2895 With co-ownership they technically would.
@@wariodude128 but not really, since they wouldn't be in full control, which could mean less money for them.
@@cakecheese2895 it does not strictly need to be a monetary dispute.
Imaging the artist wants to use his own music in a politcal piece, but Microsoft does not want "their game music" to be politically loaded.
How do you square that?
@@sarowie Microsoft is most of the time doing things for the money, if they can get other composers for cheaper/better deals for them, they’ll probably do it. However, they could also be just saying no because they Microsoft, so they do bad decisions just because. So it can be either way, I’m not fully sure, but it also doesn’t mean either option isn’t false as well.
I really wish they would let C418 make music for this game again (obviously I still think the new tracks are really good, made by amazing composers) particularly because I want to know what would be on that third Minecraft album
though hey, at least they aren't straight up removing C418's music from the game, honestly I think if that happened the community's response would probably be far more negative than even the chat reporting stuff
If they removed all C418 music in game, I would consider quitting forever. At the very least, I would not be playing any of the new versions until there was some mod adding the music back, or I made my own mod.
Just boycott it with a resource pack
I still can't understand the negativity about chat report stuff. Isn't it standart practice for almost every online game out there? I can't remember playing an online enabled game without a reporting option
@@metinhesenov It's also typically standard practice for servers to be hosted by the owners of the game. Servers are community driven here. Mojang should not feel the need to interject themselves into communities that have already figured out how to moderate themselves, pay for their own hosting, and develop their own plugins. If Mojang hosted official servers and applied it there, that's fine. It's why VAC bans make sense and aren't controversial on steam. You get VAC banned, you get banned from the servers *Steam* hosts, but it doesn't affect community servers. That's a fine system.
@@metinhesenov It’s terrible moderation. It doesn’t really fix anything either way, because servers will just disable it anyways, and then it’s almost useless.
Damn. I thought C418 was at fault for his music not being in Smash Bros, but now I see his side of things.
If the song played at the end of the video was one of the unreleased battle mode tracks, it was definitely made by C418 because it uses a musical motif from Alpha, the track that plays during the credits
Normally composer only licenses their music to the company so that they can use it whilst the composer still has the rights to it and can freely release it as a ost. This is considered standard in the industry but I don't know what kind of deal C418 made and it seems that in this case it's more complicated.
That is the deal he made, but Microsoft doesn't want to commission more music from him under these terms. That's why they switched to another composer.
Gamma is what you'd call a third release if Alpha and Beta were one and two.
Yes, Delta would be the 4th one. Gamma is the third letter of the Greek alphabet.
@@erichudson205 iirc, C418 confirmed that the third album would not be named Gamma.
I am 100% convinced that calling the 1.20 pre-releases "Alpha" and "Beta" is Microsoft trying to "Nostalgia-Bait" us.
@@kinglyzebra6417 I think thats just how video game development is
Personally I'm glad C418 keeps the rights to his music. I wouldn't want to see Microsoft use his original minecraft music in something like a spin off or movie. The music belongs with minecraft, and I'd hate to see Microsoft use it as a money cow.
I still play the minigames on psvita regularly, it's amazing to find loads of others still playing. I wish they'd come back in modern Minecraft with more items and bigger maps
We also have to remember (and I feel this may be the reason) that C418 is one of the oldest "Minecraft staff" he was producing all these different songs for Notch who now is no longer associated with Minecraft. Also doesn't it seem suspicious that they seemingly dropped c418 in favour of Lena Raine right around the time of the Notchroversy
Notchroversy 😂
They dropped him because Microsoft wants to own all rights to in-game music. C418 owns volume alpha and beta and Mojang/Microsoft have a license to use in Minecraft. But they can't use it for say when they collaborated with Smash Bros.
That's why they got new people for vanilla and dungeons and you can see that those tracks list Microsoft as the owner whereas for C418's music it lists him as the owner.
excuse you? C418 does not support notch.
@@CatOnVenus183 Not anymore, but before Notch's questionable tweets he and C418 were like business partners
He was producing songs for Notch because Notch hired him to do the music, this says nothing about C418’s character. You can be a business partner without agreeing with the other person’s views. Some people who worked with him back then, such as Jeb, are still around, too. Notch seemingly kept his views private until some years ago long after he already sold the company, so there’s a good possibility a lot of them weren’t aware either.
It’s very likely the only reason they aren’t working with C418 anymore is due to the disagreement over the music rights, as stated in the video.
If an agreement doesn’t work out, I’d love to at least see this album release in the form of a resource pack. I would absolutely use it, and I’m sure many others would too
Something Microsoft needs to learn is to care for the little guy.
Microsoft has never cared for the little guy ever and they never will.
Just listened to those 4 tracks, I think they are indeed C418's composition and sound design, some parts of them sound a bit unmixed/unrefined but this would make sense cause they ended up hiring Gareth so no need for a final mix/master from C418's side, I could be wrong but yeah C418 is my favourite composer and biggest inspiration, hopefully one day they'll let him release volume 3
Microsoft slowly destroying game in one of the most unexpected ways: THE MUSIC. No composer can ever be as nostalgic and skilled as C418.
Play through Celeste and try to say Lena Raine is not a skilled composer
@@brosiyeah i will not
Lena raine is a great composer but C418 is C418, nothing beats that!
@@brosiyeah She is talented for sure, but does her music fit the calming and relaxing game such as a minecraft? Not really.
1:49 "Traumatizing to say the least" finally someone with a heart trapped in a corpo NDA said it.
8:44 yay pigstep
I am once again asking for all the lawyers to be Minecrafted in Minecraft.
This is such a damn shame. He's an incredibly talented artist who was key to Mincraft's growth. Microsoft sucks. They've ruined so many things and burned out so many great programmers.
The only reason Microsoft did it was cause they were absolute bitches
Yeah but from their perspective Minecraft is key to C418s growth, his music likely wouldn’t be famous without Minecraft
@@brycearmstrong7582 that's the point. They want to make a mutually beneficial relationship one sided.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 It's not really mutually beneficial if only C418 benefitted. Minecraft would still be the same if it had a different soundtrack, it's been over a decade, anything would be nostalgic.
@@XrayTheMyth23good soundtracks make or break games and movies, there's no guarantee Minecraft would be perceived or as successful if it had different music, it's mutually beneficial, thinking Minecraft wouldn't change much without him is just deluded corporate talk
They need to let 4J studios to work on bedrock in the future to make it actually not so frustrating to use
Apparently some 4J employees actually do work on Bedrock now, though I don't remember where I heard this from
software dev here(who do spritework and music on free time when making games as a hobby): you might not own the rights to the features you made, but some of the things you make are also not owned by the company.
and there is a massive difference between game features and music or sprites.
game features need to be maintained constantly meaning that they do, in fact, keep paying you for that feature for as long as you work there, so making a feature only provides you more work opportunities later.
on the other hand sprites and music are a "one off" service and are usually protected by royalty earnings for their use as after a piece has been made it can be replayed or displayed as many times as you want with no breaking issues(music doesn't stop musicing for no reason, same for images)
1:55 some of the most iconic sounds in Minecraft???? SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC IN GAMING
When I'm in a bootlicking competition and my opponent is ibxtoycat
If Notch never sold Minecraft, it may have been less popular, had a lower quality, had less updates, had fewer impacts on gaming. But it would be pure, uncorrupted. Is Notch truly happier with that 2 billion dollars?
I'm pretty sure he regrets it
Terraria town music isn't bad, but it's also nowhere near the best
Exactly, didn't wanna make it unfair - just mentioning no other "good" music would fit
I mean, it fits terraria. Most of c418's songs would sound of in Terraria. Most of terraria's music wouldn't fit Minecraft either.
I’ve been wanting to know why c418’s album 1 & 2 hasn’t been in for years. IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK. THAT MAN DESERVES EVERY PENNY, every song is a MASTER PIECE.
C418 was a genius, and scrapping him was honestly one of the things that ruined modern Minecraft for me. Its just not the same anymore. I now just turn music off and find Minecrafty C418 albums to put on while I play, even if its a pretty iffy solution. I really wish that the 3rd volume releases so someone can make a texture pack of it and I can enjoy the nostalgia once again. I really respect him for working so hard to keep the rights to the music too, since it means nobody has to be afraid of using it in their videos. He wasn't willing to bow down to a corporation even if it cost him a lot. What an absolute icon of a generation, we'll never forget Minecraft Volume Beta, even if Micro$oft has.
C418 didn’t just create the soundtrack, he created Minecraft.
They basically are saying "why should you get rich off your work when we can" not really a way to see this from Microsoft's side but also if they have other composers who are willing to do it their way then they should just go their separate ways.
Knowing Microsoft they probably wanted the old music rights too , this Is the level of shadynes that Microsoft does.
What about that is shady? I’m sure they did want the old music rights.
@@DaltonDaDigga Wanting to own things that aren't theirs.
@@Tasorius yes that’s the point of buying. If he doesn’t want to sell, they don’t have to pay him anymore?
@@ala8455 He wants to own his own music so that Microsoft can't just use it for whatever they want. I'm sure he wouldn't be allowed to put it up on UA-cam if Microsoft owned it. He doesn't want to be controlled by a massive corporation.
But saying this is probably pointless when you are on the side of Microsoft... No reasonable person would take their side.
I bought Minecraft for PS4 recently, every time I boot it up, I go straight to “Editions”. The only time I hit the normal “Play” button, is when I am showing off slow load times and how broken the new game is to other people.
How did you get the editions button working? I have wanted to play the latest ps4 editon for awhile but I can’t see the editions button, so I’m stuck on the first version that came with the disk.
how'd you get the editions button lol
@@TheSonicKidMC I got a used copy of the disc version of the game released back in that time. I canceled the update (though you can just delete it whenever), then I played around a bit for nostalgia reasons, but also to trigger the button to appear later. Then, I updated the game.
@@Gold_Yoshi but where'd you bought the disk?
@@TheSonicKidMC Online. Places like ebay might have it, try to find one that has "4j studios" on it.
now that minecraft 2 has been semi-confirmed maybe he can work with notch to release it as part of the game
What's even sadder is that Microsoft seems to be trying to get rid of his music slowly by continuing to add new music from multiple different composer's and making tracks only play in specific biomes.
Even though this can be noticed many people just ignore it or don't care enough because either they are not as connected to C418's music or because they're so used to the new music now.
I keep thinking C418's music is still here until it isn't. I really hope it doesn't get to the point where they straight up remove it from the game but even now there's just so much new music getting added that eventually it'll just be rare to hear one of C418's tracks.
We need more people to band together… the way we wouldn’t shut up about the chat report
Oh I'm sorry for not "connect" enough with C418, i just don't care.
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad cry harder
@@Vigintion you do realize youre the person crying about block game music right
Big companies are like "when we paid you for the copyrighted music, we then own it, just like any physical item." But then when the consumer says "oh, so when we buy a digital copyrighted game, we own it forever, and we can even resell it to someone else, just like any physical item"? Then the big company gets angry because only they get to actually own anything.
I remember the first time I heard Mice On Venus. It was back in version 1.3.2 and I was lost, trying to go back to my base. I was getting so frustrated, until I saw a torch in the distance, above a little hill. I climbed it and there it was, on the other side, the frozen lake next to my tiny base. That's the moment I fell in love with Minecraft and became my favorite game ever. C418 is one of the most iconic composers in recent history, right up there with John Williams, Hans Zimmer or Allan Silvestri. It's such a shame this situation got this complicated.
the minecrafts whole "oh we trying protect the minecraft original feel and soul" thing and and immediately lawyer bombing the the guy who is main elements of the og minecraft saying everything we need to know. it been said for years now its a dead game and big numbers of players playing on older versions to feel that same emotions
The way I see it, the issue is that C418 wants to continue working under the standards of an indie composer on a game that hasn’t been an indie game for a long time. He’s seeking the standards for the industry Minecraft was in when he first came to the team, and Microsoft is seeking the standard for the industry Minecraft is in now. The indie industry and the mainstream game industry are two completely different cans of worms with two completely different sets of standards for what is considered normal and acceptable. Perfectly normal for the composer working on an indie game to own the rights and make royalties, perfectly normal for composers working on powerhouse games owned by corporations to be compensated in a lump-sum instead. At the end of the day, yeah it sucks that we don’t have any new C418 tracks, but Microsoft is within their rights to seek what is considered the reasonable industry standard for a game of Minecraft’s scale. Toycat is right in pointing out that they wouldn’t have someone like Lena Raine working for them if they weren’t offering reasonable deals. Either one of the parties will have to bend to the other, or C418 will have to move on to other things. The problem is that he’ll probably run into the same issue with most other big-name games. He’s in a kill-or-be-killed industry, unfortunately you can’t usually have your cake and eat it too.
Nah
I'm excited to hear the mini game music you linked. I was late to the Minecraft party, and was just starting to understand who C418 was around the time Microsoft phased him out. I was happy to see he produces outside of the MC universe, but am super excited to know that there is more MC stuff from him out there, and if we're lucky enough somehow, that might see the light of day.
They should just let C418 own the music, and then he can produce more music for other spin off games for Microsoft if he wants. That way they both get what they want in a way.
Microsoft doesn't get what it wants. They don't want C418's music, they want to own the music they do have.
I just realized something, so remember when Steve was added to Smash Bros, they dind't get any of the original songs because they would be "too slow for the game" so instead they went with songs from minecraft dungeons?
I see it now, it never was about the pace, It's about the legality of using C418 songs, that's why they didn't include any of those.
It would also be extremely jarring to be playing Smash Bros with C418 music
@@jeremyjimenez7858 it wouldn't matter much though. You can go on a killing spree in minecraft with the same music so it wouldn't change much. Plus smash already has some calm soundtracks
Wow I wonder how many new tracks in this Volume 3 he's worked on could've been classics! It's like finding out your fav band whose albums and singles you've all heard had a secret unreleased piece this whole time!
its a matter of self-respect and not giving in to microsoft we need more people like him
6:59 "But then it belongs to ass" - ibxtoycat 2023 (look at the bottom of the screen)
For me, i hear C418’s music like a story. Its different every time you listen but always just as entertaining even without gameplay added. I just can’t get that feeling of the story with the newer music.
Anyone get what i mean?
It’s always put me to sleep. I like the energy of the new music as I parkour up mountains
The new music is a laughable attempt of trying to capture the magic that is Minecraft ambience. The only man that can capture that magic is C418.
I think the new music isn’t trying to recreate the old music. Also personally I like both music the same
@@noahbecker8690 You must be 12 or younger.
@@sorrarain bro got mad at someone’s opinions.
@@Alan10-p1m It's not a insult to be young, or to state that fact. Double digit IQ statement right here.
3:53 "Only" got paid 20,000 euros for a poem???? That makes it probably one of the most profitable poems in history. How on earth could you be upset over that?
Yea Microsoft can’t be expected to pay more than they promised
It doesn’t make sense angry at Microsoft when they never even said they would pay more
I think the features of minecraft being compared to owning the music isn't a fair comparison. Those can't exist without minecraft, when the soundtrack can be enjoyed without it. I think Microsoft should just stop being greedy over copyright and let the music come back.
Edit: He also doesn't want copyright strikes on people's stuff, remember what happened with pigstep when that came out?
Yeah its more like he wants to sell microsoft the rights to use his music in the game instead of selling the music. This means microsoft cant just use his music in spin-offs without his permission, but at the same time they will always be able to use it in minecraft.
I think a lot of people probably figured out at some point (or at least I did a while back) that the theme playing at 13:50 is also present in C418's "Alpha", and so it was easy to presume the original Battlemode tracks were, in fact, done by Daniel since they reuse so many motifs from his official soundtrack
I want a button to turn off the newer music and to just be left with C418’s soundtrack. At the very least. I know I am speaking for many more people that want this as well
New music is good, though
The music is what makes Minecraft iconic in the first place, so the fact Microsoft would stab them in the back is saddening
Stuff like this is gonna make me quit completely.
I remember playing on older versions and having the time of my life, nowadays my survival world is a slideshow...
I'm just done with these big companies ruining everything.
6:23 what the, vilage, outpost, desert temple and woodland mansion??
I'd just wish for all the minecraft music creators to maybe be in a room and work on a soundtrack together, like a band with giving me and alot of other people hope for creativity, Microsoft is not the problem, infact nobody is the problem and all the problem is Corporations are actually controlling all of that, and Mojang is having trouble producing alot of things with technical problems with what people govern over.
What version are you playing in the background? It looks like a 4j console version but it’s one 1.14 or above because of the outposts? Did they update it?
@@landryrodriguez wrong comment bro
@@alexjustalexyt1144 whoops that meant to not be in a reply section 😂
@@landryrodriguez 🤣
I disagree, c418 is completely different then them. I don’t mean to sound rude but to be fair there is a reason they are hiring these people in opposition to c418, they’ll give into the corporation to create music that they think will fit the game while c418 just made music he liked and it fit perfectly
Removing zombie pigmen. Chat reporting. C418 betrayal. Horrible.
this video is 2% facts 98% speculation
Isn’t there also a whole issue inside the marketplace where they are releasing content of other ips but because the blame is on the creator who “supposivly” got the permissions to post the content mojang avoids legal trouble?
I think it’s an ownership thing, I’m confident Microsoft would pay him well for releasing a 3rd album, but they want to tie off loose ends and try and make everything new in the game owned by them fully just for brand protection.
10:39 why was my first reaction "wait really? what's her fursona?"
the fact that one of these songs is a remix of alpha is... i'm speechless
alpha is my favorite song of all time
Due to how licensing works, and the fact that it has a stretching melody within that's almost an exact copy from Alpha, it's pretty safe to believe that C418 DID in fact make those four Battle Mode tracks.
Comparing music to Minecraft features doesn't make much sense. Programmers are *not* paid on a feature-by-feature basis and musicians *are* paid on a piece-by-piece basis. Features aren't also protected by copyright laws, just ask PUBG and Fortnite or Fortnite and Minecraft. You also can't sell "a feature" unless there's an entire game built to support it, but you can sell music without any game to support it. This idea that Microsoft should own the music made for the game is indefensible and should never be considered the industry standard. This is exactly why we can't have the nice version of Doom Eternal soundtrack produced and released.
Thank you, it is an egregious take.
"screw your memories and your history, the money in our pockets is a victory"
really sad to see c418 is slowly fading from Minecraft, wouldn't be surprising but yet upsetting if Microsoft removes his songs because they can't get into an agreement
I would permanently play with music off and just stream c418 on Spotify if that happened ngl
@@Athlete_SteveI would actually stop playing Minecraft and go back to fortnite
@TrollusPogus fortnite has been getting better for sure though ngl.
datapacks would solve that issue easily
@@cement_eater yea but it wouldn’t hit the same, knowing Microsoft removed them
This feels like a moment where c418 maybe feeling disconnected from the product that he produces his music.
C418's music is peaceful and nostalgic. Lena Raine's music perfectly fits as well
Not perfectly, but really well
@@trolluspogus4732 Have you heard the Nether music? So Below and Rubedo are incredibly fitting! I cant think of a song that would fit better imo
@@Dr.Slaughter Dead Voxel, Ballad of the Cats, Warmth and Concrete Halls fit better but Rubedo and So Below still fit very well.
No, as a musician, respectfully disagree here - giving up rights to things YOU make is not something you should be required to do and I'm with C418 on this one all the way.
Same
You should talk about mojang not wanting to fix the editions button for minecraft ps4 digitally, they literally don't want to limit people access to their own purchase
It works for me on ps4, you just have to click it the *second* it shows up. If you wait long enough to click it (10 seconds at least) it's not gonna work
@@hantomdventure What do u mean? do you have a video teaching that?
They're throwing the man under the bus who made the most iconic soundtrack in the world...
the guy who made minecraft minecraft
the old minigames bring back fond and yet fleeting memories.
07:43 "You want Minecraft to be the best game it can be..."
Which is a bit hard if you discontinue the main soundtrack of the game and, going forward, replace it with tracks that are just not quite right.
(Except for Rubedo, Chrysopoeia, So Below and Infinite Amethyst. [And the disks. Disks are disks, it's a different story.] )
(I can't state an opinion about the Tricky Trials tracks because I haven't gotten to listen to them as much yet.)
Why did this turn into corporate bootlicking in favor of a billion-dollar international megacorp? Artists deserve to have ownership over their work, musicians especially have a long, long history of getting bent over by record labels and media companies, never really owning their life's work.
I had no idea Gareth Coker did the majority of the minecraft minigames soundtrack! He did the music for the Ori games which are some of my favorite games ever so thats pretty neat!
C418 should be able to produce more music, if they say no to him having rights to his own music that’s bs
They aren't saying "no to him having rights to his own music" they are saying "We want to buy your music not just buy a license" which is fair
@@jeremyjimenez7858 it's common to license such things, also doesn't buy in this context mean buy the rights? Which no sane person should do, the current environment is really tough on artists and people are trying to rip them off even more, disgusting.
@@fitmotheyap it is common for indie games but not for any other game.
Daniel has said it won't be called "Delta" on (I believe) the subreddit named after him before. Yeah, really hope we get to hear this art one day, and even more I hope Daniel gets what he deserves.
Always read the contract before signing. It's how companies get control.
imagine being a big company owning what is pretty much universally considered a masterpiece of a game and not treating one of the important artists in its success with care
Honestly both sides are reasonable arguments. It's a standard for artists to sell the rights to their work by being commissioned for said piece be it music, artwork, game assets, etc. I'm not normally one to defend big corporations but this is just standard business practice. It's honestly just something that has to be negotiated by the team to reach something of an agreement. There's not really a right or wrong side and it's just to conflicting normal opinions.
If he can't get a deal with Microsoft, I hope he releases the third Minecraft album anyway. If nothing else people could at least mod it into the game
The new composers definitely aren't bad. But in my opinion the music is just wildly out of place in minecraft. And for whatever reason the devs broke the music system as well? So now I hear the same songs on loop as opposed to random songs at random times. I don't understand why if they couldn't come to an agreement they just didn't continue to add music and left it as is. The system worked well and there was plenty of music. They certainly release their good and bad updates but this out of place new music as well as the deliberately broken music system is the first time I'm so displeased with things as they are currently that I'm thinking of modding back to a slightly older version of the game. They current setup in the game feels as out of place as playing skyrim without music and ambient sounds. Just kills the vibe for me.
If the mc ending poem creator decides to prevent mc from using his poem, Microsoft will have to make a new ending
I get that presenting this as a "both sides" thing is reassuring, gives you the impression to be fair and balanced, but nah, corporations just suck. People make games, not companies. Of course a company's looking for their own interests, that doesn't make it right. Who decided they had to own the music of games, who decided buying the OST from the people who actually made it was bad, somehow? Sorry fam I ain't gonna weep for Microsoft's bottom line of all things.
true this.
and get this, C418's previous tracks are still in the game. the ones he still owns the rights to... so the new tracks could 100% have also been added with no more legal repercussions than there already are by having the existing C418 tracks
I agree 100% with this.
Don't know about that
Wanting to own the music to your game is pretty reasonable and it is standard practice
In this situation there really isn't someone who is wrong
@@plaqueywakey5631 That's my point, who decided it was reasonable and standard practice and why should we agree?
@@tigaliyt common sense decided it was reasonable
It's very easy to understand why someone would want to be able to use the music in their game whichever way they want
And as an aspiring indie game developer i would want to be able to use music in my game in whatever way i want
he should leak the music into some obscure forum under a fake account for people to find and make it look like he got hacked
We should make a petition for him to be able to release album 3 with the same requirement as before. Thats such a small thing and the least thing we could do as OG minecrafters...
This is one of the rare occasions where when you actually see the person you respect for them goes up.
I’m glad toycat is free thinking and smart enough to give both sides of this issue rather than just saying “big corporation bad!”
" big corporation actually just made of lots of small people"
@@toycat "...beholden to the whims of a handful of executives and shareholders at the top"
@@toycat “big corporation made of many good small people, who listen to few bad small people”
Nah, i can confirm it's hella scuffed behind the scenes. Corporation is indeed bad, more so microsoft themselves
7:20 I feel like a developer should own the rights to use whatever feature however they want, since it's their code and hard work, but microsoft should have the same rights.