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Absolutely LOVE your videos ! After using the ceramic coat, is a waxing the next step--or is it not needed due to the ceramic protection? If waxing is needed, do I do it immediately or wait the 24 hour wash curing time? Thank you for the great work you do !
Not sure the point of this comparison if you weren’t going to do the 24hr cure on the turtle wax ceramic. It’s kind of unfair as it seemed predictable that the ceramic will fail against washing without the cure.
Hey pan quick question, should I out on a sealant and then put the seal and shine. Or is it possible to only use seal and shine have protection. Protection matters to me alot so, I feel like i can use a sealant first then apply seal and shine. Lemme know what you think!
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Pan, fully understand your thought process, however I would like to see the test after following the instructions on both. Would just be nice to see. Thanks,
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@PanTheOrganizer Turtle wax states that the Ceramic Spray coating sees it's best durability when give a second application 24 hours after the first. You should do this test, with an additional 24 hours of cure after the second application for both products, to see if the new coating is better than SnS.
ua-cam.com/video/JIWx6Uw6JP8/v-deo.html .jimbo's a clown with his new camera setup. it gives the viewers a headache goin back and forth, back and forth and has no idea how to use a close up. plus he never stfu. turtle wax did a proper comparison with proper application techniques vs seal and shine and ceramic hybrid. go watch that.
@@PanTheOrganizer can you top ceramic spray wax with the seal n shine,ive got 3 coats of ceramic spray wax on my car and want to just keep it topped up can I just use my seal n shine over the top of it, or it's it best to use the wet wax, cheers
I use both products. If I'm in a hurry I use spray and shine, when I have the time to let it cure I use the ceramic spray. When the ceramic spray is fully cured it beats spray and shine in durability and shine. Both are extremely good products for reasonable prices!
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@rolandvencel4256 Not in my books. I personally don't have time for curing time so Seal N Shine will work better for most users. It's the ease that you can apply it and drive and not be worried about a curing time. If you do have the time, the best to you. For how minuscule the difference was for all that 24 hour curing time, it's not worth it for users like myself.
This guy's videos are so informative and very detailed; he does all the hard work for us. Quite impressive results without curing time with the Ice Seal. Thanks for taking the time to help me make a product decision- I can't believe how good the cheaper Ice Seal is!
@@PanTheOrganizer I just searched the product (Ice Seal) and selected one of the sidebar videos. I also saw a testimonial naming you on the Turtle Wax corporate website from one of your viewers. You're famous now!
Hehe thanks! I’m blessed with a great audience of nearly 500,000 subscribers now so we have made this one of the biggest detailing channels on UA-cam. I love making videos for my viewers and sharing my passion and knowledge with them. What country are you watching from? Cheers from Canada!
Interesting...would be good to see how the Spray Ceramic worked after a 24 hour cure and potential second coat. Right now, I’d not be convinced to stop using the Seal and Shine. Looks to be more durable and still cheaper by the bottle!
So please delete this test, make it fair and let it cure for 24 hours (both to be fair) and run the test again that is the only way you can make a comparison between these 2. Hope you will revise :) keep these kind of tests coming
Says right in the description he wanted to see how the new ceramic spray would fare against immediate washing and chemical exposure.... I'm sure the test you're looking for is coming soon.
I'm starting to think this product is not worth it. 24 hours and it's not too tier? The ice and shield is good for budget, but I would rather use something else that takes less time to cure and offers better results.
Funky.Ass.Breakz I understand if you are washing these videos on a smart TV you don’t see the description..... Purely based on the subject that you see her you would assume it is a direct comparison between the two but apparently it is not, which is fine of course but again to truly make a comparison allow the product to cure otherwise you cannot compare durability
Hi Pan, I purchased the Ceramic spray coating and spent time to apply it on my SUV. Was a lot of work, but well worth it. The car's body has never shined this much. Thanks for your video for the inspiration. Here in South Africa we get Turtle wax products from Europe and the prices are good. So glad it is not over expensive.
The real test for me is the duribility of these products after 1-3 months and applied as the directions on the bottle say. I was a big fan of the seal & shine after watching similar tests and appling the product myself. Not seeing anything that would change my mind from this test, especialyl since the Hybrid Solution is 1/2 again more for that product.
Even though the 24 hr curing time wasn't given to the turtle spray, this was still a great detailed process showing the abuse that the sprays can go through before you would think about re-applying. I just bought the Turtle and am excited to put on my new car this weekend! Doesn't seem like the casual consumer would miss out by using either one of these!
Correct. Both are very good products. If you follow the instructions properly for the Ceramic Spray Coating, it actually lasts twice as long in my testing compared to Seal N Shine.
@@PanTheOrganizer Hey pan can I later these products!? Can I first apply a coating of Ceramic spray and then use seal and shine every 2 or 3months to maintain it apart from washing with a ph neutral shampoo!?
Ive been using Seal N Shine for 2yrs now and think it does a great job keeping the paint shiny and clean, water just beads right off. I apply it every few washes, not the entire car at once but will do the hood one time, trunk another, roof another day, left side another day etc so it doesnt take that long. Applied it before winter last year and come spring it was still working, I had to work to strip areas in order to compound some swirls and scratches out.
Wow: I’m shocked by how many people are whining about the ceramic cure time. Do the rest of us ADULTs a favor; read the title, do a google search to answer your own question, or go whine someplace else if you don’t have an intelligent comment or relevant question. This guy put time and effort into making this video, not to mention buying the product. How about some appreciation? Pan - Thanks for the video. I’m sure most of your subscribers appreciate and understand the relevance ( including me ) of this video.
Seal n Shine hands down. Jimbo did the torture test as well allowing the 24 hour curing time and same results...Seal n Shine held up better than the hybrid.
Just ordered the Ceramic spray. Love listening to all the reviews. My guess is you wash your car then apply. You can drive in in the rain, snow and heat but just don't wash it for 24 hours. If people can't wait 24 hours to wash your car again then maybe you need to get a life!!!!! Great video as always. 30 years of detailing and love how it has evolved to making it easier each time to maintain your car...
Seal and shine seems to be quite an amazing product. Besides a full blown ceramic coating it seems to hold up better than almost every other product. I would have liked to see you wait 24 hours for a proper comparison but without the wait time it held up just as well as any other ceramic spray coating on the market which isn’t great considering the higher cost for some of the other brands with Sio2 built in.
Well people... JIMBO’S Detailing all ready do the same comparison include de 24 hrs time curing as well as side by side just as PAN applied and go... The result was al most the same. I’m like to see if there are change in deep color improve and more shine wen using the new hybrid ceramic
Pan TheOrganizer Yes PAN... I’m understand that you are very serious and professional and one of my best detailers..👍🏼💪🏼 Iam sure the people in this channel like me whaitng big expectation on this hybrid ceramic... We keep waiting more test on this product... Thanks a lot for all your exelent reviews and honest advise...
I'm using a lot of the Seal and Shine at my shop. I've tested it on my truck and must say I'm impressed with it's durability so I'll continue to use it as my go to spray sealant.
I think a lot of people are missing the point that there is no actual 'cure' required for either product, simply advises against washing within 24 hours! This is an excellent real world test. High-quality content put out in such a timely manner as always. Thanks, Pan. Keep killing it!
Seal N Shine all the way. Who has the time to wait 24hrs to cure, Seal N shine does the job straight away without the hassle. Still my pick, love that product.
Hey there! Luckily during this 24 hour curing time you are allowed to drive right out into the elements! You simply can not wash or apply a second layer during this time.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@PanTheOrganizer Pan, thanks for getting back to me on that. I by no means was criticizing you, I would've liked to seen the Ceramic Spray Coating with the 24 hour curing time & 1 section with it done right away in a side by side comparison. I love your channel & will continue to watch.
Thanks for sharing your experience. How did you discover my channel by the way? Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on UA-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 140 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers. You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
Lol at the comments telling him to redo the test and he needs to let the ceramic cure. I'm pretty sure Pan understands that. Pre order your own bottle and test it yourself how you like. Point of this test was to see how it performed without the cure time, which according to turtle wax it only needs before you wash or apply a second coat. I think the ceramic held up pretty good considering. Whose gonna use an APC and strip wash to wash their vehicle everytime?
@Pan TheOrganizer no worries man. I thought the video was good for exactly what you said you were doing. Lol love the videos, keep up the good work. PS, I think for me it's still seal and shine🤷♂️
The best circumstances for cure time would be inside a garage, although this is not necessary! These products can hold up within the environment, but we do not recommend washing or applying a second coat throughout this cure time.
I agree. Cancelled my pre-order on Amazon. I have Seal n Shine on my car now, was thinking about layering on with the ceramic spray, but think I'll wait till I see the comparison with curing time. Thanks for the review, hope you will re-do with proper cure time.
Don’t cancel your pre-order just because of this. You must understand the intent of the video. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
My experience with seal and shine has been great. It says, no cure time but I find that immediately after applying it feels a bit oily. Wait 2-3 hours and that feeling is gone. Great product.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Pan TheOrganizer was wondering Pan why you did the test, I didn’t realise you was not following instructions to prove a point! Always like your video. Thanks for doing what your doing., always enjoy them!
New formula? Can you do a comparison? Between turtle wax flex wax turtle wax ceramic spray coating wet wax of turtle wax vs ethos vs 303 vs others spray sealants? For real life scenario?? And how long does it last? 2022?
It was to prove the point that you need to wait 24h before washing the car after Ceramic Spray Coating is applied. I like to confirm claims and instructions some times. Viewers need to see beyond the obvious.
@@PanTheOrganizer I really enjoy your videos but this one would have been that much better if you had included the 24-hour cure and retested the chemical resistance. No disputing that SNS is the champ for chemical resistance. I keep a bottle around and end up going back to it when other products let me down. I love that it's cheaper and available almost anywhere TW is sold.
I read the back of the TW Hybrid Ceramic wax bottle. In the directions it mentions nothing about a 24 hour cure and states to apply second coat for improved protection. Only in the Note does it mention the 24 hour cure and the first word in the Note is wheel. In addition, it does not reference the Note after stating to add a second coat for durability in the directions. I believe it was a very fair test given the directions. TW ice is the clear winner if you want to maximize durability and gloss for the least amount of time and effort.
Best test for truck coatings. Put it on the tailgate and drive around. If dust sticks, it's not for me. I put seal and shine on the tail gate and had an abnormal amount of dust sticking to it. I applied the turtle wax ceramic spray to the hood and body after wash and decon. Very smooth, shiny and repels dirt. Best coating I've used so far.
No. They’re actually very clear on it. No curing time needed if you’re driving off in the elements. 24h curing time needed if you’re applying a 2nd coat or if you plan on washing the car. This video proves the point about washing immediately after application.
Yes, Both these products seem great and I often use Seal and Shine. However, if the paint has a gritty feeling and you can't do a decontamination, clay bar treatment or polishing, I need to use something like NuFinish cream polish which has a cleaner in it and smoothens out the paint. I imagine I can follow up with Seal and Shine or or TW Ceramic Spray Coating further down the road providing the car is not gritty again. Any thoughts about this?
If you wash your car regularly, using safe washing and drying methods, and use chemicals to do the decontamination (bug removers, iron removers, mineral deposit removers) you shouldn't have the need to clay or polish the surface. I fully detail, decon, polish, IPA prep and ceramic coat my new cars when I get them, and for the three years I own them, I never have to use a claybar or machine polishing. Nowadays, for those who do need to use clay to remove embedded contamination, there are synthetic perforated decontamination towels that aren't abrasive and won't do any marring on the paint, so they're safe to use on ceramic coated cars. A towel like this: bit.ly/3WsWdPJ See my future of clay video: ua-cam.com/video/GK21rRPh1jw/v-deo.htmlsi=IIST0NifYp1ZTivq Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on UA-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 140 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers. You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
Obviously, not allowing the ceramic to cure, it was not really a fair test. It would be good to give it the 24 hours to see if its durability matches the seal n shine. Sorry, Pan, but this demands a do over.
I think it was cool to do it this way too even if it was not fair shows how fast one gives your results and shows difference between the 2. Now with a second review applying both and 24+ hours later same steps repeated could show IF there is a difference at all after all they claim "curing" time is necessary. So true, lets repeat this with following the recommended application.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@PanTheOrganizer Yes you stated that no cure time was given and wrote this also in the description. However I believe users mainly interested in comparing this new product with the older SealNShine when both are properly used. As this is a brand new member of the TW family and because the rational buyer is sceptical to say at least it would be nice to see a real "battle" between these 2 products. I think no one questions what happened here and you were absolutely correct, it is simply just most of use wish to see the real difference between the 2. So it was nice to see the potential weakness of the missused application but I personally at least would be certainly more interested to see the strenghts and benefits of the ceramic edition as this was only shown on promotion videos where you see the beeding and sheeting of water right after fresh application (and to be honest, any hydrophobic material can do that right after the application at least for 5 minutes).
Great video Pan, exactly what I tough would happen. With the proper curing time as you mentioned, probably hybrid will raise on top. Both good products, still for me I don’t care to much about durability since I clean my cars often and dry them using BM, I love the gloss and slickness of it,and how the car looks, still durable enough for what I want. Great video again Pan 👍👌
I have used and is currently on my BLACK Silverado like what I see but 1 week into the application water doesn't seem to bead or sheet like I'd hoped. Have noticed that I may have spent WAY to much time and effort putting it on. But decided to go out and get the Ceramic spray coating. This time I'm going to buff out the whole truck, per your buffing/polishing for dummies (😁) me that is because I discovered many light flaws, that I hope to remove, along with water spots. I'll be back to let you know how it works out. Till then God bless.
Pan, I just started watching your videos and they are awesome, I always use Mequiars products for my 2019 SS Camaro but I’m going to give that TW ceramic coating a try, you definitely got a new subscriber
Thanks Kwan! I appreciate the kind words. Glad to hear you're enjoying my content. You found one of the biggest and fastest growing detailing channels as we're about to surpass 500,000 subscribers and 53 million views! I have been detailing cars for over 23 years now, and I love sharing my passion and knowledge with my audience. How did you discover my channel by the way?
Kind of wish the new ceramic spray had cured for 24 hrs as would of made it a fairer test. Think I’m leaning more towards the ice after seeing this though
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Was using the ICE seal and shine on my 2018 F-150 since I purchased it and got good results. When I traded that in for a new Acura MDX two months ago I decided to try the Hybrid Ceramic Spray Coating. Did this about 2 months ago and the results have been FANTASTIC. Im now in maintenance mode using the ceramic hybrid wash. Very happy with the Turtle Wax products!
Love the video exactly the question I asked myself. I do hope they don’t change the formula of the ice range to make hybrid look better. May buy loads of bottle just in case. One thing I would appreciate you looking into (John said he might do it but it’s not on his channel yet) is why does the ice range smear particularly on glass
Hey Pan, I was going to try out the seal & shine, but the walmart i went to did not have it. They have many bottles of the Hybrid solutions spray. I didn't bother. I will just go to another walmart to get the seal & shine. People say that chemical resistance isn't important because real world washing doesn't subject the car to many chemicals. However, if our cars have heavy iron contamination, we know we can use iron remover knowing full well that the protection won't be compromised if we use the seal & shine!
Exactly Stuart! Thank you! I don’t understand why many comments were negative in this video... I purposefully did not wait 24h to prove a point. You clearly understood that. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Hi Pan, I’ve watched over a dozen of your videos now since finding your channel last week. First off THANK YOU, I’ve been using Mothers CMX on my 22 4runner since I got it. Past few weeks I’ve acquired a pressure washer, foam cannon, grit guard for my bucket, a couple of different soaps I’ve seen you use, and a pistol grip for the pressure washer. With that I don’t see me going full on with everything, I’m just looking for a paint sealer/wax to do every few months. I’m muddling though your videos. Thank you again
Thanks for the feedback! Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on UA-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 140 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers. You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
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Love the seal and shine, but please do another and let it cure. Not really fair to the new product to do a comparison test without following the application directions of both in my opinion.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@caseywilson3302 My pleasure Casey. It seems viewers didn't fully understand my message here.. Ceramic Spray Coating is still freaking amazing! I even prefer it to Seal N Shine. When it's fully cured, it's as resistant chemically so no worries there. And yes I take my channel very seriously and I always try to interact with my viewers, even as I'm getting close to 400K subscribers. It's not easy keeping up with everyone, but I try my best!
It works perfectly after 24h. I just felt it was cool to see how both might perform without waiting 24h. It also shows how good Seal N Shine is right out of the bottle without any curing. And to be fair, Ceramic Spray Coating also resists chemicals right away without curing, the only thing that kills it oddly is washing it right away like I did in the video to remove residue between tests. So the shampoo is doing something. It’s always interesting to me to try off label use sometimes. Chemists learn a lot through these real world tests when some of us UA-camrs try things they might not have expected.
this is my 1st time seeing this vid. From the results, Ice-N-Shine took the gold. I've never used the Ice product, but I have used the Ceramic Spray Coating and I think it ROCKS!!! I've no doubt that it would've won had it had the recommended cure time. Regardless, cool experiment and video Pan, as always!!! You are the BEST!!!
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Seal n shine is the best i’ve been using it for a couple of months for my 2020 wrangler Rubicon 2018 Sierra Dmax We get tons of rain in Oregon and all I do is wash my truck once a month and apply a new coat Well the truck is still wet works wonderfully
Seal and Shine is still king for the price ($5/bottle) and performance NOTHING can beat it. That's why it's being resold at a much higher price nowadays.
Exactly. Plus, with 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Jimbo Balaam did a torture test with both products curing for 24 hours and seal and shine was the better product. Not saying the new stuff isnt good but TW has a for sure winner with Seal and Shine. YOUR THE MAN PAN!!!
Ice & seal is the winner! My other option is to use TW ceramic spray coating first & let it cure for 72 hours then spray a coating of I&S for a longer lasting protection for m6 car. Anyway Pan, you showed us another amazing live proof video. Thanks man! Cheers.
I gotta tell ya I have both and use both on my FXR and Softail. Just love the ICE no streaking and unbelievable on glass and chrome. but can’t go wrong with either.
I could not distinguish a difference in gloss, maybe it is enhanced with more curing time? I am still a fan of Seal n Shine it is great product that can be used in a hurry during cold weather after a car wash self or drive through. I plan to use it after a snow storm because Winter grime and salt has coated my vehicle no need to worry about it protective properties because of a cure time. The Ceramic version might be better to use during Spring and Summer months. Does temperature affect cure time? Pan would love to see a long term test during the harsh Winter months.
Love how no one understands the testing your trying to do here... I understood as soon as I started watching! You make it pretty clear in the vid. Oh well very good video. I will honestly be getting the ceramic coating spray
No. Don't mix regular waxes with silica based coatings or sealants. After using Ceramic Spray Coating, you have one of three options to maintain the finish: 1) Use Turtle Wax Ceramic Wash N Wax shampoo during maintenance washes : amzn.to/2VswO8v 2) Use Turtle Wax Ceramic Wet Wax as a drying aid after your washed your car: amzn.to/3ihkzpa 3) Use Turtle Wax Ceramic 3-in-1 Detail Spray as a quick detailer : amzn.to/38fLTiM
Looks good ! I still don’t want to use either after a paint correction. I’m not spending 20+ hrs correcting the paint and then trusting a sub $20 spray. I’ll continue to use these as a drying aid after every wash. Looking forward to see how these apply over sealants/waxes
Looked like the first application showed that the water beading was better with the new Ceramic Spray Coating than Ice, but after the cleaners where applied the Ice seal n Shine lasted after all three cleaners applied. I would of liked to see how the Ceramic Spray Coating lasted after following the directions on the bottle (24 hrs).
Jimbo let the 2 cure and the products to very well during the Torture test. Thanks pan for this test show with out the cureing time doesn't do so well like the seal shine. Always need a different perspective. Love the channel keep up the good work
Hello Pan! Just want to tell you and all your Fans that all the new Turtle 🐢 Wax Hydrid Solutions are AVAILABLE at Canadian Tire! I bought the wash and wax, the ceramic polish as well as the ceramic spray coating. Can’t wait to test them once the Qc weather will warm up. I want to tell you that I’ve used the seal n shine in October and it still beading like crazy after our long winter. I did around 20k Km. Amazing hope their new product line will be as Good. Thanks again for your great videos your the best on UA-cam!
Instead of wiping off the Ice Seal & Shine right away, I let it cure for few minutes and then buffed it off. It became a little sticky to buff the surface clean but after buffing is done, wow, the paint became so smooth and glossy!
TURTLE WAX ICE SEAL N SHINE leaves marks that are hard to buff, which is annoying. I have to use a mix of white vinegar and water in a spray bottle to get rid of them when buffing.
I think for me I see a lot of reviews and stuff on sealants and coatings and to be honest any sealant or coating will perform greatly in the beginning. The true test is time. Love the video pan. Hopefully in the next few months you can do a long term review.
I believe you should prioritize the comparison of both products after a 24 hour curing period ....those canceling their Amazon preorders don’t seem to believe it will make a difference .
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
im so excited for turtle wax high end ceramic spray. I love seal and shine on my black bmw, the gloss and durability is amazing. I even used it again yesterday so that way i have none left by the time Turtle Wax Ceramic gets shipped to me.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review. In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
I have a black vehicle and live in Texas. Rarely do I allow a cure time because rarely does the black stay clean that long. Sometimes I'm cleaning every day. It's a valid and more real world test. Ugly yellow pollen isn't waiting on your cure time, and I hate driving it looking like that.
Thanks bro! Unfortunately, it seems many viewers didn’t quite understand the purpose of my video which was simply to show what some had requested: how Ceramic Spray Coating does without any curing time, just like Seal N Shine. So many seem disappointed. But when let to cure, Ceramic Spray Coating is as chemically resistant as SNS in my testing, no worries there.
Pan TheOrganizer yeah I read some of those comments. Testing like this, though, proves those certain points about making sure to follow directions. Pros and cons to each product depending on what you need and want. I sometimes still get streaking with Seal and Shine but it cures pretty much instantly. While the New Ceramic Spray Coating will leave little to no streaking but needs the appropriate time to cure time then its good to go. 🤷🏻♂️
As most of the other people says Pan, in my opinion, I cant say wich is better since there was no proper waiting time on the "ceramic" one... also I manage to strip Seal N Shine with Super clean Diluted 1:2 tho it was already installed a few weeks... so it might hold strong the first few days but after a few weeks you can strip it out...
Jimbo test the product calling them cheap & expensive looking like the winer is seal and shine!😄 thank you for showing us this test making me feel better when I stocked up 3 bottles seal and shine so look like turtle wax jack up the price for the new look of the product lines but in the reality the new product hardly to keep up with their old one😜
I would like to see SNS as the base layer and ceramic as a 2nd coat. Allow it enough time to cure and see how it looks, wondering if that turns in to a mess.
I'd also like to see the test done after the curing time. That being said, I like how the ICE provides protection with no cure time and how resilient the it is.
S&S is a great product..but it can streak and 2nd coats require a ipa and elbow grease to remove streaks and shadows and spots...i found out the hard way.i wouldnt stack s&s ....believe me.
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Absolutely LOVE your videos ! After using the ceramic coat, is a waxing the next step--or is it not needed due to the ceramic protection? If waxing is needed, do I do it immediately or wait the 24 hour wash curing time? Thank you for the great work you do !
Great job doing this very informative videos about car care and they will help starting my new car detailing business 👍🏽
Not sure the point of this comparison if you weren’t going to do the 24hr cure on the turtle wax ceramic. It’s kind of unfair as it seemed predictable that the ceramic will fail against washing without the cure.
What car is that?
Hey pan quick question, should I out on a sealant and then put the seal and shine. Or is it possible to only use seal and shine have protection. Protection matters to me alot so, I feel like i can use a sealant first then apply seal and shine. Lemme know what you think!
would have liked to see the Hybrid Solutions allowed the curing time needed and then compare
M Tsui yes absolutely unfair....
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Next time, listen to what he says about "no curing time".
Pan, fully understand your thought process, however I would like to see the test after following the instructions on both. Would just be nice to see.
Thanks,
@@T3rraL33t No worries. Have a good night.
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought would happen. I've never seen an SiO2 spray hold up without curing. Would like to see a comparison after 24hrs.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Jimbo did the test without and with cure of 24h! ua-cam.com/video/GsEU3rR3SQM/v-deo.html
@@PanTheOrganizer Ah I see! Thanks for the explanation!
@@VincentSmith_apk No worries.
@@PanTheOrganizer Turtle wax states that the Ceramic Spray coating sees it's best durability when give a second application 24 hours after the first. You should do this test, with an additional 24 hours of cure after the second application for both products, to see if the new coating is better than SnS.
Wow, looks like I'm sticking with the Seal N' Shine. I would love to see the same test done with the instructed cure time. Thanks Pan!
Thanks
Jimbo has done one. Seal and shine wining even after 24 hours
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.jimbo's a clown with his new camera setup. it gives the viewers a headache goin back and forth, back and forth and has no idea how to use a close up. plus he never stfu.
turtle wax did a proper comparison with proper application techniques vs seal and shine and ceramic hybrid. go watch that.
@@PanTheOrganizer can you top ceramic spray wax with the seal n shine,ive got 3 coats of ceramic spray wax on my car and want to just keep it topped up can I just use my seal n shine over the top of it, or it's it best to use the wet wax, cheers
Pan TheOrganizer have you done a torture test with these two layered?
I use both products. If I'm in a hurry I use spray and shine, when I have the time to let it cure I use the ceramic spray. When the ceramic spray is fully cured it beats spray and shine in durability and shine. Both are extremely good products for reasonable prices!
Thanks for sharing!
Kind of a pointless test without the curing time 🤔
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
I think it was good to test it also like this to see how important the cure time really can be with different products.
Jimbo's Detailing already did the curing time test and the product was actually doing better after application than after curing time.
@@Harvest1212 Ceramic Spray worked better after curing time. Rewatch it.
@@rolandvencel4256 Not in my books. I personally don't have time for curing time so Seal N Shine will work better for most users. It's the ease that you can apply it and drive and not be worried about a curing time. If you do have the time, the best to you. For how minuscule the difference was for all that 24 hour curing time, it's not worth it for users like myself.
This guy's videos are so informative and very detailed; he does all the hard work for us. Quite impressive results without curing time with the Ice Seal. Thanks for taking the time to help me make a product decision- I can't believe how good the cheaper Ice Seal is!
Thanks for the positive feedback! How did you discover my channel by the way?
@@PanTheOrganizer I just searched the product (Ice Seal) and selected one of the sidebar videos. I also saw a testimonial naming you on the Turtle Wax corporate website from one of your viewers. You're famous now!
Hehe thanks! I’m blessed with a great audience of nearly 500,000 subscribers now so we have made this one of the biggest detailing channels on UA-cam. I love making videos for my viewers and sharing my passion and knowledge with them.
What country are you watching from? Cheers from Canada!
Maaaan I'm in absolute love with the Seal & Shine, never have I ever loved a product so much, and this is the best auto detail channel on the Tube!
Thanks!
Interesting...would be good to see how the Spray Ceramic worked after a 24 hour cure and potential second coat. Right now, I’d not be convinced to stop using the Seal and Shine. Looks to be more durable and still cheaper by the bottle!
threeer02 yeah I’m about to cancel my pre-order of the new stuff.
So please delete this test, make it fair and let it cure for 24 hours (both to be fair) and run the test again that is the only way you can make a comparison between these 2. Hope you will revise :) keep these kind of tests coming
Says right in the description he wanted to see how the new ceramic spray would fare against immediate washing and chemical exposure.... I'm sure the test you're looking for is coming soon.
Exactly!
I'm starting to think this product is not worth it. 24 hours and it's not too tier? The ice and shield is good for budget, but I would rather use something else that takes less time to cure and offers better results.
I totally agree
Funky.Ass.Breakz I understand if you are washing these videos on a smart TV you don’t see the description.....
Purely based on the subject that you see her you would assume it is a direct comparison between the two but apparently it is not, which is fine of course but again to truly make a comparison allow the product to cure otherwise you cannot compare durability
Hi Pan, I purchased the Ceramic spray coating and spent time to apply it on my SUV. Was a lot of work, but well worth it. The car's body has never shined this much. Thanks for your video for the inspiration. Here in South Africa we get Turtle wax products from Europe and the prices are good. So glad it is not over expensive.
Thanks for the feedback Synth! Cheers from Canada! What’s your favourite video on my channel so far by the way?
The real test for me is the duribility of these products after 1-3 months and applied as the directions on the bottle say. I was a big fan of the seal & shine after watching similar tests and appling the product myself. Not seeing anything that would change my mind from this test, especialyl since the Hybrid Solution is 1/2 again more for that product.
My choice is Seal n Shine. I am deeply amazed how powerful this product is.
Even though the 24 hr curing time wasn't given to the turtle spray, this was still a great detailed process showing the abuse that the sprays can go through before you would think about re-applying. I just bought the Turtle and am excited to put on my new car this weekend! Doesn't seem like the casual consumer would miss out by using either one of these!
Correct. Both are very good products. If you follow the instructions properly for the Ceramic Spray Coating, it actually lasts twice as long in my testing compared to Seal N Shine.
@@PanTheOrganizer Hey pan can I later these products!? Can I first apply a coating of Ceramic spray and then use seal and shine every 2 or 3months to maintain it apart from washing with a ph neutral shampoo!?
Glad i ordered 5 bottles of seal n shine. Put it on my car last weekend and it's amazing!
Seal N Shine wins again! Undefeated!! I would like to see the same test after the 24 hour curing time for both sprays!
Thank you👍🏻👍🏻
Ive been using Seal N Shine for 2yrs now and think it does a great job keeping the paint shiny and clean, water just beads right off. I apply it every few washes, not the entire car at once but will do the hood one time, trunk another, roof another day, left side another day etc so it doesnt take that long. Applied it before winter last year and come spring it was still working, I had to work to strip areas in order to compound some swirls and scratches out.
If you like Seal N Shine, you would love the newer Graphene Flex Wax even more. I reviewed that here: ua-cam.com/video/b5BjDzItlr8/v-deo.html
I thought that the ceramic version need time for curing ?
Only if you want to apply a second coat or wash the car. This video proves that point on the instructions.
@@PanTheOrganizer thanks for your reply mate,
I'm still waiting for Turtle Wax's Indonesia for import the Seal n Shine.
All around the world people love detailing their cars! 😄
Wow: I’m shocked by how many people are whining about the ceramic cure time. Do the rest of us ADULTs a favor; read the title, do a google search to answer your own question, or go whine someplace else if you don’t have an intelligent comment or relevant question. This guy put time and effort into making this video, not to mention buying the product. How about some appreciation? Pan - Thanks for the video. I’m sure most of your subscribers appreciate and understand the relevance ( including me ) of this video.
Thank you Bobby. It means a lot that you took time out of your day to show me your support! You got the point of my video. 👍🏻
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Seal n Shine hands down. Jimbo did the torture test as well allowing the 24 hour curing time and same results...Seal n Shine held up better than the hybrid.
Just ordered the Ceramic spray. Love listening to all the reviews. My guess is you wash your car then apply. You can drive in in the rain, snow and heat but just don't wash it for 24 hours. If people can't wait 24 hours to wash your car again then maybe you need to get a life!!!!! Great video as always. 30 years of detailing and love how it has evolved to making it easier each time to maintain your car...
Exactly John. You fully understood. You will love Ceramic Spray Coating, just as much as I did in my official review video. :)
Seal and shine seems to be quite an amazing product. Besides a full blown ceramic coating it seems to hold up better than almost every other product. I would have liked to see you wait 24 hours for a proper comparison but without the wait time it held up just as well as any other ceramic spray coating on the market which isn’t great considering the higher cost for some of the other brands with Sio2 built in.
Well people...
JIMBO’S Detailing all ready do the same comparison include de 24 hrs time curing as well as side by side just as PAN applied and go...
The result was al most the same.
I’m like to see if there are change in deep color improve and more shine wen using the new hybrid ceramic
Thanks for your support Ernfrid! I think some viewers were a bit too emotional in their comments and/or didn’t understand the purpose of my video...
Pan TheOrganizer
Yes PAN... I’m understand that you are very serious and professional and one of my best detailers..👍🏼💪🏼
Iam sure the people in this channel like me whaitng big expectation on this hybrid ceramic...
We keep waiting more test on this product...
Thanks a lot for all your exelent reviews and honest advise...
and the conclussion is... tw hybrid solutions line suck, tw crew will never invite these youtubers again 😂😂😂😂
How about a comparison between the Meguiar's ceramic and the Turtle wax ceramic?
I'm using a lot of the Seal and Shine at my shop.
I've tested it on my truck and must say I'm impressed with it's durability so I'll continue to use it as my go to spray sealant.
I think a lot of people are missing the point that there is no actual 'cure' required for either product, simply advises against washing within 24 hours! This is an excellent real world test. High-quality content put out in such a timely manner as always. Thanks, Pan. Keep killing it!
Yeah, it's clear that TW is misrepresenting the truth and should have tipped Pan off about it!
Thanks Paul. You fully understood the purpose of this video! 👍🏻
Seal N Shine all the way. Who has the time to wait 24hrs to cure, Seal N shine does the job straight away without the hassle. Still my pick, love that product.
Hey there! Luckily during this 24 hour curing time you are allowed to drive right out into the elements! You simply can not wash or apply a second layer during this time.
I’ll stick to Seal n Shine. Works great and super cheap.
Hey bud please do another test with the 24 hour curing time so we can see if that dose make a difference love your videos many thanks for your time
After a full curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating does offer relatively the same chemical resistance as Seal N Shine.
Would've liked to see the Hybrid Solutions allowed the curing time needed and then compare the two products👌
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@PanTheOrganizer Pan, thanks for getting back to me on that. I by no means was criticizing you, I would've liked to seen the Ceramic Spray Coating with the 24 hour curing time & 1 section with it done right away in a side by side comparison. I love your channel & will continue to watch.
@@IntervalePC Thanks for the clarification. No worries. ;)
seal and shime works really good. After 5 weeks I still see very good water beading on my paintwork
Thanks for sharing your experience. How did you discover my channel by the way?
Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on UA-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 140 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
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Lol at the comments telling him to redo the test and he needs to let the ceramic cure. I'm pretty sure Pan understands that. Pre order your own bottle and test it yourself how you like. Point of this test was to see how it performed without the cure time, which according to turtle wax it only needs before you wash or apply a second coat. I think the ceramic held up pretty good considering. Whose gonna use an APC and strip wash to wash their vehicle everytime?
Exaaaaaaactly Dylan! It’s nice to see some viewers actually understood the point of my video. Thank you.
@Pan TheOrganizer no worries man. I thought the video was good for exactly what you said you were doing. Lol love the videos, keep up the good work. PS, I think for me it's still seal and shine🤷♂️
Most people I know do not have 24 hrs to let a coating cure. Many do not have a garage, so I would recommend the Seal and Shine.
The best circumstances for cure time would be inside a garage, although this is not necessary! These products can hold up within the environment, but we do not recommend washing or applying a second coat throughout this cure time.
5:42 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I couldn't help but giggle a little 😭
I agree. Cancelled my pre-order on Amazon. I have Seal n Shine on my car now, was thinking about layering on with the ceramic spray, but think I'll wait till I see the comparison with curing time. Thanks for the review, hope you will re-do with proper cure time.
Don’t cancel your pre-order just because of this. You must understand the intent of the video.
With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Do it again after 24 hr cure time.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Jimbo did the test without and with cure of 24h! ua-cam.com/video/GsEU3rR3SQM/v-deo.html
@@PanTheOrganizer what are your thoughts on this product and Bead Maker? Can they be used together?
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My experience with seal and shine has been great. It says, no cure time but I find that immediately after applying it feels a bit oily. Wait 2-3 hours and that feeling is gone. Great product.
If the hybrid needs 24hrs to cure, what is the point or the test. Don’t get it!
Exactly,I tought the same thing there is no point to do the test without curing time!!!!
Did you watch it, he says it ok to go out in the elements straight away but it has a cure time of 24 hrs, suggest you watch it again, till the end .
Exactly Malcolm!
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Pan TheOrganizer was wondering Pan why you did the test, I didn’t realise you was not following instructions to prove a point! Always like your video. Thanks for doing what your doing., always enjoy them!
New formula?
Can you do a comparison? Between turtle wax flex wax turtle wax ceramic spray coating wet wax of turtle wax vs ethos vs 303 vs others spray sealants? For real life scenario?? And how long does it last? 2022?
Yeah, kind of skews the results when you don't apply as directed.
this is true. but it highlights how good the SNS still is even on unprepped surface and no cure time and still cheaper.
It was to prove the point that you need to wait 24h before washing the car after Ceramic Spray Coating is applied. I like to confirm claims and instructions some times. Viewers need to see beyond the obvious.
@@PanTheOrganizer I really enjoy your videos but this one would have been that much better if you had included the 24-hour cure and retested the chemical resistance. No disputing that SNS is the champ for chemical resistance. I keep a bottle around and end up going back to it when other products let me down. I love that it's cheaper and available almost anywhere TW is sold.
I read the back of the TW Hybrid Ceramic wax bottle. In the directions it mentions nothing about a 24 hour cure and states to apply second coat for improved protection. Only in the Note does it mention the 24 hour cure and the first word in the Note is wheel. In addition, it does not reference the Note after stating to add a second coat for durability in the directions. I believe it was a very fair test given the directions. TW ice is the clear winner if you want to maximize durability and gloss for the least amount of time and effort.
Can you use the seal and shine on windows and rims?
Windows I have found it left a smear but rims for sure.
Nice to see turtle wax catching up with modern times that been said I don't like how "ceramic" is attached to nearly every product these days
i would love to see that Turtle Wax Hybrid ceramic being compared with Meguair's Hybrid Ceramic wax too.
Altruistic I would love to see that too !!
Best test for truck coatings. Put it on the tailgate and drive around. If dust sticks, it's not for me. I put seal and shine on the tail gate and had an abnormal amount of dust sticking to it. I applied the turtle wax ceramic spray to the hood and body after wash and decon. Very smooth, shiny and repels dirt. Best coating I've used so far.
Thanks for sharing Jason!
Says 24 hr cure time before washing then you immediately wash it?
Yes to test claims and limits. Sometimes you learn a lot with off label use.
@@PanTheOrganizer Claim has just had a reality shock! TW should have known better!
No. They’re actually very clear on it. No curing time needed if you’re driving off in the elements. 24h curing time needed if you’re applying a 2nd coat or if you plan on washing the car. This video proves the point about washing immediately after application.
Yes, Both these products seem great and I often use Seal and Shine. However, if the paint has a gritty feeling and you can't do a decontamination, clay bar treatment or polishing, I need to use something like NuFinish cream polish which has a cleaner in it and smoothens out the paint. I imagine I can follow up with Seal and Shine or or TW Ceramic Spray Coating further down the road providing the car is not gritty again. Any thoughts about this?
If you wash your car regularly, using safe washing and drying methods, and use chemicals to do the decontamination (bug removers, iron removers, mineral deposit removers) you shouldn't have the need to clay or polish the surface. I fully detail, decon, polish, IPA prep and ceramic coat my new cars when I get them, and for the three years I own them, I never have to use a claybar or machine polishing.
Nowadays, for those who do need to use clay to remove embedded contamination, there are synthetic perforated decontamination towels that aren't abrasive and won't do any marring on the paint, so they're safe to use on ceramic coated cars. A towel like this: bit.ly/3WsWdPJ
See my future of clay video: ua-cam.com/video/GK21rRPh1jw/v-deo.htmlsi=IIST0NifYp1ZTivq
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Obviously, not allowing the ceramic to cure, it was not really a fair test. It would be good to give it the 24 hours to see if its durability matches the seal n shine. Sorry, Pan, but this demands a do over.
psa110 i totally agree.. ☹️
I think it was cool to do it this way too even if it was not fair shows how fast one gives your results and shows difference between the 2.
Now with a second review applying both and 24+ hours later same steps repeated could show IF there is a difference at all after all they claim "curing" time is necessary.
So true, lets repeat this with following the recommended application.
psa110 I would agree, if a supposed ceramic product loses out to a wax product then IMO something is definitely wrong!
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@PanTheOrganizer Yes you stated that no cure time was given and wrote this also in the description. However I believe users mainly interested in comparing this new product with the older SealNShine when both are properly used. As this is a brand new member of the TW family and because the rational buyer is sceptical to say at least it would be nice to see a real "battle" between these 2 products. I think no one questions what happened here and you were absolutely correct, it is simply just most of use wish to see the real difference between the 2. So it was nice to see the potential weakness of the missused application but I personally at least would be certainly more interested to see the strenghts and benefits of the ceramic edition as this was only shown on promotion videos where you see the beeding and sheeting of water right after fresh application (and to be honest, any hydrophobic material can do that right after the application at least for 5 minutes).
Normal everyday car guys really don't need anything fancy. Turtle Wax makes excellent, simple to use products that give excellent results.
I agree!
Great video Pan, exactly what I tough would happen. With the proper curing time as you mentioned, probably hybrid will raise on top. Both good products, still for me I don’t care to much about durability since I clean my cars often and dry them using BM, I love the gloss and slickness of it,and how the car looks, still durable enough for what I want. Great video again Pan 👍👌
Thanks for understanding the purpose of the video. 👍🏻. Yes after curing Ceramic Spray Coating is equal or better to Seal N Shine.
I have used and is currently on my BLACK Silverado like what I see but 1 week into the application water doesn't seem to bead or sheet like I'd hoped. Have noticed that I may have spent WAY to much time and effort putting it on. But decided to go out and get the Ceramic spray coating. This time I'm going to buff out the whole truck, per your buffing/polishing for dummies (😁) me that is because I discovered many light flaws, that I hope to remove, along with water spots. I'll be back to let you know how it works out. Till then God bless.
Should have stated seal and shine on there now.
Pan, I just started watching your videos and they are awesome, I always use Mequiars products for my 2019 SS Camaro but I’m going to give that TW ceramic coating a try, you definitely got a new subscriber
Thanks Kwan! I appreciate the kind words. Glad to hear you're enjoying my content. You found one of the biggest and fastest growing detailing channels as we're about to surpass 500,000 subscribers and 53 million views! I have been detailing cars for over 23 years now, and I love sharing my passion and knowledge with my audience.
How did you discover my channel by the way?
Would love to see a comparison between Seal and Shine and The Last Coat (version 2).
Me too.
Me three
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Don't waste your money on the Last Coat. It's a distant 3rd.
@@nickf462 have you done a comparison yourself? I know the first version of it sucked, but the version 2 is far more durable.
Kind of wish the new ceramic spray had cured for 24 hrs as would of made it a fairer test. Think I’m leaning more towards the ice after seeing this though
I think every car waxes / sealant need 24 Hours of cure.
But the ice seal n shine durability really impressive.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
This is cool...But why wouldnt you just do the side by side and wait one day lol?
Seal & Shine still the best product.
Was using the ICE seal and shine on my 2018 F-150 since I purchased it and got good results. When I traded that in for a new Acura MDX two months ago I decided to try the Hybrid Ceramic Spray Coating. Did this about 2 months ago and the results have been FANTASTIC. Im now in maintenance mode using the ceramic hybrid wash. Very happy with the Turtle Wax products!
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@@PanTheOrganizer I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Thanks !!
Love the video exactly the question I asked myself. I do hope they don’t change the formula of the ice range to make hybrid look better. May buy loads of bottle just in case. One thing I would appreciate you looking into (John said he might do it but it’s not on his channel yet) is why does the ice range smear particularly on glass
Hey Pan, I was going to try out the seal & shine, but the walmart i went to did not have it. They have many bottles of the Hybrid solutions spray. I didn't bother. I will just go to another walmart to get the seal & shine. People say that chemical resistance isn't important because real world washing doesn't subject the car to many chemicals. However, if our cars have heavy iron contamination, we know we can use iron remover knowing full well that the protection won't be compromised if we use the seal & shine!
You can also order the new Seal N Shine improved formula from the links under my full review video here: ua-cam.com/video/49DtbUBHMpg/v-deo.html
I like seal and shine cuz there is no 'curing' time.
Yea...it even holds on when its drizzling rain...believe me i found out...be happy with the 1st app.it sticks.
This is a good test because some people don't read the instructions. A follow up video with the full cure time would be great 👌
Exactly!! Thank you!
@@PanTheOrganizer 👊
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Conclusive proof that following the product instructions makes a comparison video worth watching.
Exactly Stuart! Thank you! I don’t understand why many comments were negative in this video... I purposefully did not wait 24h to prove a point. You clearly understood that.
With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Hi Pan, I’ve watched over a dozen of your videos now since finding your channel last week. First off THANK YOU, I’ve been using Mothers CMX on my 22 4runner since I got it. Past few weeks I’ve acquired a pressure washer, foam cannon, grit guard for my bucket, a couple of different soaps I’ve seen you use, and a pistol grip for the pressure washer.
With that I don’t see me going full on with everything, I’m just looking for a paint sealer/wax to do every few months. I’m muddling though your videos. Thank you again
Thanks for the feedback! Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on UA-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 140 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
Dommage qu’il y a moins de vidéos en français
tout a faix et même quand on pose une question même plus de raiponce
Vraiment le français est encore négligé ses désolant jétais fan
Dommage en effet, mais je peux comprendre car c'est 2x plus de boulot...
Oui mais faut oublier que tout a commencer ici d'abord à ne pas négligé
peut être aussi que le coté bizness prend impe aussi le dessus quand tu est invité par des gros marque set plus vraiment la même chose enfin set mon ressenti
Love the seal and shine, but please do another and let it cure. Not really fair to the new product to do a comparison test without following the application directions of both in my opinion.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
@@PanTheOrganizer that was a good thought. Do you plan to do a follow up with a full cure? I am interested to see how durable it is!
@@tadeloach22 In my testing, after 24h of curing time, it's as chemically resistant as Seal N Shine. I love Ceramic Spray Coating!
Ceramic needed to be cured. I had 3 ordered on amazon but I just canceled them
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Cool thanks for the clarification!! Il re order 🤘🤘🤘. Also pretty cool you actually respond to your viewers
@@caseywilson3302 My pleasure Casey. It seems viewers didn't fully understand my message here.. Ceramic Spray Coating is still freaking amazing! I even prefer it to Seal N Shine. When it's fully cured, it's as resistant chemically so no worries there. And yes I take my channel very seriously and I always try to interact with my viewers, even as I'm getting close to 400K subscribers. It's not easy keeping up with everyone, but I try my best!
@@PanTheOrganizer thanks
Thanks Pan for the match-up comparison on these 2 -
You bet!
Pan you should of waited 24hrs for test to be fair. Need a stand alone test now sorry
It works perfectly after 24h. I just felt it was cool to see how both might perform without waiting 24h. It also shows how good Seal N Shine is right out of the bottle without any curing.
And to be fair, Ceramic Spray Coating also resists chemicals right away without curing, the only thing that kills it oddly is washing it right away like I did in the video to remove residue between tests. So the shampoo is doing something. It’s always interesting to me to try off label use sometimes. Chemists learn a lot through these real world tests when some of us UA-camrs try things they might not have expected.
It just shows that for the average man like myself and who doesn't have a garage, that hybrid sealant (seal and shine) is the best option.
this is my 1st time seeing this vid. From the results, Ice-N-Shine took the gold. I've never used the Ice product, but I have used the Ceramic Spray Coating and I think it ROCKS!!! I've no doubt that it would've won had it had the recommended cure time. Regardless, cool experiment and video Pan, as always!!! You are the BEST!!!
Thanks! And yes if you let the Ceramic Spray Coating cure, it will last longer than Seal N Shine for sure.
Waste of time if one product needs 24 hours curing time Pan.
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Why so mad ray
@@cristianguerra78 What makes you think I was mad? Just making a comment on the products.
Seal n shine is the best i’ve been using it for a couple of months for my 2020 wrangler Rubicon 2018 Sierra Dmax
We get tons of rain in Oregon and all I do is wash my truck once a month and apply a new coat Well the truck is still wet works wonderfully
Seal and shine for the win lol
Not sure what the price difference would be but just for ease of application I'd still use Seal N Shine
Seal and Shine is still king for the price ($5/bottle) and performance NOTHING can beat it. That's why it's being resold at a much higher price nowadays.
Everybody says this test isn't fair but at least we learned a few things and seal n shine requires zero cure time, which is super nice.
Exactly. Plus, with 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
Jimbo Balaam did a torture test with both products curing for 24 hours and seal and shine was the better product. Not saying the new stuff isnt good but TW has a for sure winner with Seal and Shine. YOUR THE MAN PAN!!!
Ice & seal is the winner! My other option is to use TW ceramic spray coating first & let it cure for 72 hours then spray a coating of I&S for a longer lasting protection for m6 car.
Anyway Pan, you showed us another amazing live proof video. Thanks man! Cheers.
4 months into the ceramic coating on a Mercedes E350 and the finish is still amazing.
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I gotta tell ya I have both and use both on my FXR and Softail. Just love the ICE no streaking and unbelievable on glass and chrome. but can’t go wrong with either.
I could not distinguish a difference in gloss, maybe it is enhanced with more curing time? I am still a fan of Seal n Shine it is great product that can be used in a hurry during cold weather after a car wash self or drive through. I plan to use it after a snow storm because Winter grime and salt has coated my vehicle no need to worry about it protective properties because of a cure time. The Ceramic version might be better to use during Spring and Summer months. Does temperature affect cure time? Pan would love to see a long term test during the harsh Winter months.
Love how no one understands the testing your trying to do here... I understood as soon as I started watching! You make it pretty clear in the vid. Oh well very good video. I will honestly be getting the ceramic coating spray
Thanks Steve!!
Pan TheOrganizer no problem
Thanks Pan, great vid. Can/Should I still wax my car after using this ceramic coating?
No. Don't mix regular waxes with silica based coatings or sealants. After using Ceramic Spray Coating, you have one of three options to maintain the finish:
1) Use Turtle Wax Ceramic Wash N Wax shampoo during maintenance washes : amzn.to/2VswO8v
2) Use Turtle Wax Ceramic Wet Wax as a drying aid after your washed your car: amzn.to/3ihkzpa
3) Use Turtle Wax Ceramic 3-in-1 Detail Spray as a quick detailer : amzn.to/38fLTiM
@@PanTheOrganizer Thanks a lot for the tip. Do you reckon Turtle Wax Wax It Wet works?
Looks good ! I still don’t want to use either after a paint correction. I’m not spending 20+ hrs correcting the paint and then trusting a sub $20 spray. I’ll continue to use these as a drying aid after every wash. Looking forward to see how these apply over sealants/waxes
Looked like the first application showed that the water beading was better with the new Ceramic Spray Coating than Ice, but after the cleaners where applied the Ice seal n Shine lasted after all three cleaners applied. I would of liked to see how the Ceramic Spray Coating lasted after following the directions on the bottle (24 hrs).
After proper curing, the Ceramic Spray Coating performs equal of slightly better than Seal N Shine in my testing.
Jimbo let the 2 cure and the products to very well during the Torture test. Thanks pan for this test show with out the cureing time doesn't do so well like the seal shine. Always need a different perspective. Love the channel keep up the good work
Exactly Danny! You got my point! 💪🏻
Hello Pan! Just want to tell you and all your Fans that all the new Turtle 🐢 Wax Hydrid Solutions are AVAILABLE at Canadian Tire! I bought the wash and wax, the ceramic polish as well as the ceramic spray coating. Can’t wait to test them once the Qc weather will warm up. I want to tell you that I’ve used the seal n shine in October and it still beading like crazy after our long winter. I did around 20k Km. Amazing hope their new product line will be as Good. Thanks again for your great videos your the best on UA-cam!
Thanks!
Instead of wiping off the Ice Seal & Shine right away, I let it cure for few minutes and then buffed it off. It became a little sticky to buff the surface clean but after buffing is done, wow, the paint became so smooth and glossy!
Please do it again with curing time and also a wildcard comparison with TLC 2.0
TURTLE WAX ICE SEAL N SHINE leaves marks that are hard to buff, which is annoying. I have to use a mix of white vinegar and water in a spray bottle to get rid of them when buffing.
I think for me I see a lot of reviews and stuff on sealants and coatings and to be honest any sealant or coating will perform greatly in the beginning. The true test is time. Love the video pan. Hopefully in the next few months you can do a long term review.
Thanks !
I believe you should prioritize the comparison of both products after a 24 hour curing period ....those canceling their Amazon preorders don’t seem to believe it will make a difference .
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
im so excited for turtle wax high end ceramic spray. I love seal and shine on my black bmw, the gloss and durability is amazing. I even used it again yesterday so that way i have none left by the time Turtle Wax Ceramic gets shipped to me.
I agree with everyone else you should make a second video but with 24-hour cure time
Hi! Thanks for watching. With 24h of curing time, Ceramic Spray Coating is as resistant if not more compared to Seal N Shine. I spoke about that in my dedicated Ceramic Spray Coating review.
In this video, I purposefully didn’t follow the instructions of Ceramic Spray Coating that state one has to wait 24h of curing time before washing, to prove how important it is to follow the instructions, as most people typically don’t read the instructions. It was also in response to my viewers who wrote to me asking a real world test with no curing time just to see the results.
I have a black vehicle and live in Texas. Rarely do I allow a cure time because rarely does the black stay clean that long. Sometimes I'm cleaning every day. It's a valid and more real world test. Ugly yellow pollen isn't waiting on your cure time, and I hate driving it looking like that.
Very Interesting Pan! Its still amazing how incredible Seal and Shine is. I can't wait to get mine to test!
Thanks bro! Unfortunately, it seems many viewers didn’t quite understand the purpose of my video which was simply to show what some had requested: how Ceramic Spray Coating does without any curing time, just like Seal N Shine. So many seem disappointed.
But when let to cure, Ceramic Spray Coating is as chemically resistant as SNS in my testing, no worries there.
Pan TheOrganizer yeah I read some of those comments. Testing like this, though, proves those certain points about making sure to follow directions. Pros and cons to each product depending on what you need and want. I sometimes still get streaking with Seal and Shine but it cures pretty much instantly. While the New Ceramic Spray Coating will leave little to no streaking but needs the appropriate time to cure time then its good to go. 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly.
As most of the other people says Pan, in my opinion, I cant say wich is better since there was no proper waiting time on the "ceramic" one... also I manage to strip Seal N Shine with Super clean Diluted 1:2 tho it was already installed a few weeks... so it might hold strong the first few days but after a few weeks you can strip it out...
Jimbo test the product calling them cheap & expensive looking like the winer is seal and shine!😄 thank you for showing us this test making me feel better when I stocked up 3 bottles seal and shine so look like turtle wax jack up the price for the new look of the product lines but in the reality the new product hardly to keep up with their old one😜
There is one called Cilajet that is offered at the BMW dealership.. it supposed to last for 5 years.. I’d like to see that compared to these products.
I would like to see SNS as the base layer and ceramic as a 2nd coat. Allow it enough time to cure and see how it looks, wondering if that turns in to a mess.
I'd also like to see the test done after the curing time. That being said, I like how the ICE provides protection with no cure time and how resilient the it is.
Exactly
S&S is a great product..but it can streak and 2nd coats require a ipa and elbow grease to remove streaks and shadows and spots...i found out the hard way.i wouldnt stack s&s ....believe me.