I carry a 9mm daily for practicality.. For ballistic purposes I used to shoot sig .357 but that's getting harder to find. I would like a 10mm for my hard hitting fun gun for range because it's a nastier load than all of those ballistically.
@thebuzzcjc I'm considering getting a "higher-caliber/stronger-cartridged" handgun here soon since November's sneaking up awful fast on me lol. I already have a 9mm Beretta thats in pretty much like new condition, my CC Sig P938 (that isn't in like new condition lol), and then for a 3rd modern pistol I was gonna get some variety of like a .357 Sig, 10mm Auto, perhaps a 5.7×28 (I know that's a small bore round but it's very fast & "exotic" like the 10 & .357 Sig), and then a solid, high quality/reliable Mid to full-size (prefer if whatever model it is has some option/options size-wise for someone whos not ginormous-handed 😂 if possible lol). Edit: I kinda wrote that confusingly my bad. For the 3rd part (about 357 sig, 10mm, etc & a pistol brand/model that is reliable & not overly ginormously sized or anything in those sorts of calibers) I was mainly asking for some recommendations if you have any that fit the aspects/description I mentioned.
I’ve seen guys get hit with close to 10 shots of 9mm and still walk through. It’s not such an amazing cartridge as it is cheap and widely available. It’s better than .22lr and almost the same price. And law enforcement always goes for cheap, practical, and generally reliable - which 9mm is. Buuuuut if you have better options available, I’d go for those. For example I’d go for a short 12 gauge with 00 buck or slugs, haven’t seen anyone walk through those yet.
@@JesusIsGoodTruthYou wanna carry a 12 gauge Diablo derringer as your pistol ? Feel free! Because that’s the topic…caliber choice in a sidearm. Love the account name btw
@@JesusIsGoodTruthyup, and some people (especially the ones on drugs) tank just as many from 40, and 45 sometimes. The truth is that auto loading handgun calibers (with few exceptions) are ass. Of course they will kill someone, but they don't stop someone like a high caliber rifle or shotgun blast will (often) do.
@@joshslaughter8343 Well the entire reason 10mm and .40 exist is because of how many people where still returning fire at police after being hit with multiple 9mm rounds. Doesn’t tend to happened with those calibers
@@TheDougSpotnot true, .40 or even 10mm arent instant off-switches. The reason they went back to is that the difference in stopping power isn't that big with current technology now, and another big part of the decision is how much easier it is to shoot 9 mm, resulting in higher accuracy and faster followup shots. 10mm is a beast, but so is its recoil and shot placement is more important than caliber.
It says that people buy things because someone said they should instead of actually finding what they like, I just acquired a Glock 23 in 40 s&w and I like it just fine
I have the 22 and 27 but need the 23 to complete my series. For combat I think the 40 is better than the 9 but when having to haul ammo around I understand the weight issues
Says that people listen to what any moron on UA-cam or Reddit has to say. I have a Glock 22 gen 4 that shoots like a dream. Bought a Brownells bull barrel conversion for my Glock 22 now I can also shoot 9mm out of the same platform. Literally the perfect SHTF pistol can switch between two very common rounds for an $100 extra upgrade.
I went from 45 to 9 and can't go back. My groups are half the size of what they were in 45. I even bought a 40 and tried it for a few months. Overall 9 took the W, capacity, accuracy, power, cost to train etc. I'm a fan boy now
complete opposite happened here. I trained extensively in 9 before switching to .357. Part of that reason may have been growing up in the country only with rifles and not being able to hit anything with a pistol until my instructor taught me my tales. Eventually I picked up a Sig .226 .40cal, then a Sig 229 40cal because I kept my grouping in the kill zone. Sometimes it's the gun itself, and sometimes it's the caliber. I didn't start playing with .45 until oddly enough I WAS over 45, and the 3 types I've shot I've managed to keep my grouping as tight as any of my other 40s. 9mm is fantastic, no arguments there. There's just in my opinion a combination of variables each person has to experiment with to find their happy place.
I thought the 40 cal was less accurate than .45 Glock 21 . The 9 is more accurate than all. I really like my Remington 1911. Almost as accurate as my 9mm
It has its merits. I like 9mm for what it is. I like 'em all. Sadly, in my age and poor phyaical condition, I've turned to 5.7x28. My eyesight just isn't what it used to be, either... so less compensation = better accuracy. Still love to thud some .45 up close... and it's nice not having to sort through a catalog or pay premium prices to get subsonic.
Exactly my dad outshot a Marine with his s&w 40 cal and the Marine had a Glock 45 cal , had an apple out at 45 yards my dad hit the apple first shot and spun it around then shot again and exploded it @@francischambless5919
@vennoballin2230 its not though. Its just not different enough to warrant use. At least with .45 you have an argument. It has a large difference in performance characteristics and is really good for use with suppressors.
@@casematecardinal .45 AARP, outside of a very few, very niche situations is all but obsolete when measured against more modern chamberings. It's too heavy, and too slow. That's not to say it's " ineffective" by any means, just that there are empirically " better" options out there.
@@casematecardinal Bro i live in chicago you cannot tell me anything about it i have my ccl license i know multiple people who been shot everyone my bestfriend was shot 13x in his body and survived im telling you .40s not too many people survive off them you can shoot a ballistic block all day but we really talking about real life stuff
@phoenix21studios probably more like the mid 80s. The military adopted the 9mm Beretta 92F in 1985, the Miami FBI shootout was in 1986. The only reason .40 S&W exists is because some FBI agents couldn't shoot 10mm Auto well, so the FBI asked S&W to make the cartridge more shooter friendly, which consisted of shortening the case and reducing the powder charge. And thus .40 Short & Weak was born. Truth is 9mm does its job perfectly well to the point that the only real justification for using .45 AARP is the fact that it's naturally subsonic and suppresses well while not losing lethality because it doesn't rely on high velocity in the first place.
Maybe not. All the municipalities follow what the military has. So their thinking is if the military is doing it, we should too. It's all about costs, people. You heard him say it. This Deputies Department still uses .40 caliber. Thank you, Sheriff.
I was LE for 27 yrs. Our department changed from 40 to 9 mm. We were told because testing showed that officers were more accurate and on target with 9 mm versus the 40 Cal.
I'll bet it was with a rifle, not a Beretta in 9mm. The difference in rifle performance to a handgun is huge. In fact 7 out of every 8 people shot by a handgun survive. There is a huge amount of evidence, quite a few of it video of people getting shot by a handgun and it not really fazing them for several minutes. That's why most trainers who are worth a darn train to keep shooting until the bad guy goes down. There is a video which is on UA-cam from a large city emergency room trauma doctor who sees a lot of gunshot wounds where he talks about how ineffective handguns are compared to rifles and shotguns.
@grn8946 You've been watching too many TV shows and movies as your ignorance is astounding. It's obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. I would try to explain it to you but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't comprehend it anyway.
All it takes is 1 Well Placed Shot!!! #Facts, considering 223/556 are just CentreFire Pointed .22Mags with an extra 1000FPS worth of Sending Powder. Using Standard Budget Type Bulk Ammo in .22Cal *Rifles*, your sending a Basic .22LR=1100FPS Basic .22WMR=2000FPS Basic .223=2800-3200FPS
The 5.56 logic was actually not "because it does roughly the same damage", but because it acutally is less lethal than the 30-06 or .308. Whereas the enemy would have died almost instantly being hit with a larger caliber, the 5.56 more likely wounded the soldier so the hostile forces have to treat that soldier now.
@@kyleanderson1941 👍🏼👍🏼…. That’s why I went with 7.62x39 for my first rifle because I already had a couple .22’s … they’re just not as quick and 4/5 the weight or so of 5.56. 7.62x39 is like a better blkout round. More versatile all around… just not super long range
Except for he must have very limited real field experience because otherwise he’d know that “one well placed shot” isn’t always enough to drop someone. Like, I agree with him prolly 95%, but he says that like it’s a cold hard fact when the hard fact is that some people just keep coming despite damage that should have instantly killed them.
@@noahdietchweiler9408Kyle Morgan was Delta, he was the guy that ran into the hotel and took on those terrorist in Mali in 2015. One of the SRS best interviews. He knows what he’s talking about
Tell that to the G.Is shooting the enemy in Vietnam multiple times with 5.56s and not dropping them. Meanwhile a round or 2 out of an AK was all that was needed. Not everyone shoots like a laser like you do, Mr. Sniper Elite.
When I was a police officer my department transitioned from .40 to 9 mm so we went through a ton of different ballistics testing using both calibers and using the same platform(G17 and G22). They included shooting through doors, dry wall, clothing, heavy clothing and many others. It was months of testing they did and found with modern loads the 9 mm was as good or better on all of the tests. There wasn’t a single test where the .40 caliber had better performance. Then add capacity and recoil it was a no brainer.
I'm calling bs I have both and have shot them side by side into many different things. I assure you you are spouting untruths. Even the numbers deny what you are claiming. Hornadys ftx bullet for example in both loads hornady 165 grain shoots 1175 fps and 506 ft lbs of energy 9mm is 1155fps and 345 ft lbs with its most potent load.. I used the 40 sw lightest bullet and could have gone much heavier and seen much more energy. You sir are debunked.
@@Stewart7516Your right he is not telling the truth. People are seem to be ashamed so ashamed they like the 9mm round. They all make up data points to justify their choice.😂😂
My thinking is, 9mm, and 556. Are 2 of the most common rounds to be found here in the US. So. What are you most likely to run across when shit hits the fan?
40 is one of the only things on the shelf during ammo shortages. It gets a lot of hate but not one soul can say 40 isn't statistically better to incapacitate your target. It's plentiful and it fucks shit up. I have everything but ammo shortages pushed me into buying a few 40 cal pistols and I'm glad I did because I can always find ammo
@@joshuasmith6346 he may be telling you something you already knew, but he was asked the question by Shawn… I was referring to the other 3 hours of his interview though, not this specific clip.
There are only four reasons to choose 9mm: 1- cost 2- prolific (you can find it anywhere) 3- abundant (you can find a LOT of it anywhere) 4- projectile/load choices (you're guaranteed to find more variations of 9mm at any given shop than other handgun cartridges)
In 2024; a 9mm +P works fine. I use Federal HST 124gr +P. I also have +P bonded Winchester Defender, some Golden Saber 124gr bonded. +P. 124gr FMJ NATO specs are good too. I own .357sig & .40 guns too.
9mm is the most developed and researched round. Theres a reason 9mm back in the 80s were shite compared to a .40, but now outperforms a .40 in almost every way possible. The 9mm has gone through extensive research, development, and tweaking to be the most used and prolific round to this day.
80s huh might wantvti have some intelligence before making a comment. As for bullet development no bullet manufacturer is doing improvements on just one caliber. If its r&d a bullet they do it for every bullet they make.
It was great since the moment it was introduced. America was just plagued by a dumb mentality that the bigger cartridge meant the better gun. In the 80s the military and police departments were still clinging to the .45APC and ginormous revolver rounds. When FBI were testing 10mm and .40 they wanted an automatic pistol which had the power of a revolver or rather a small bore rifle for better penetration which was dumb by design. Modern 9mm has different loads which can make it either more powerful or subsonic but police departments and the military are using standard loads just like it was intended more than 100 years ago.
No “ not every way possible”- better bullet design with the 124 and 127 gr rounds JHP.. local LE used to use 115 gr JHP which didn’t have that mythical stopping power and the 147 gr JHP didn’t get optimal performance either as it was a subsonic round meant to be launched out of the HK type sub guns popular in the 80s and 90s. The real reason many LE agencies went back to 9mm? Smaller statured less robust officers couldn’t properly qualify with the .40 cal and its aggressive snappy recoil and or handle the weight of .45 firing pistols ( the Glock 22 is chunky in smaller hands) For the military? You can literally find 9x19mm ammo worldwide , so a Navy Seal or Green Beret / Ranger or Marine Recon guy can “ scoop” up extra if he looks around …
The 9mm Luger is just a damn good compromise between capacity, lethality, cost, availability. Are there better cartridges for this or that? Certainly, but the 9mm luger gets it done and all and all a great choice for edc. So many choices in guns and ammunition, too. And its the most common cartridge in the world.
Don't say that.boomer fuds will shit them selfs to prove a decorated soldier with kills and lead time is "wrong" cause they shot steal and old cars on the weekends
Correct. Most of the guys I hear arguing about calibers, 1911 vs Glock, or some other nonsense don’t seem to be able to shoot that well. The really good shooters seem to be able to replicate their success on multiple platforms.
@@ReCoN-oEver hear of auto correct? If he's a half way decent human being he probably types in he'll a lot more than hell. Even That last sentence I had to type in hell twice because it auto corrected.
Idk I see/hear of more stories of someone taking 4+ hits from a 9mm and making it out alive. If you're a trained professional, use whatever you want. If you're a normal civilian who literally needs the extra stopping power and lethality, 9mm isn't really the way to go.
Thanks for using one of my website's old pics (2nd one of the white box 9mm 115gr +P+, I take all of the site's pics so I recognize my own work). And yes, it's a sidearm. The difference in results from 9mm to 40S&W is like the man said, negligible, but the cost and recoil and overall benefit of the 9mm over every other comparable sidearm caliber is significant. 9mm has won that caliber war, by a lot. Also, I personally own more 9's than I can remember, too much fun, too many options from 6rd pocket carry to old Colt AR-9's taking modified Uzi mags and everything in between...9mm feeds them all.
I do not agree entirely with such concept, especially when the only alternative you have is acomplish your dutty is full metal jacket, with it anyone needs 4 or 5 diferent shots to stop an agresion. As police officers in this country legislation only alows to use that kind of bulet. I wish to mention that no one can control circunstances and all combat situations are different and say that you are 100% of the cases able to place a bulet on the head of the assilant, you lie or has to be Miculek. I like 45 acp but 40 SW is a mule kick, . 🤠🇨🇷✝️
My nephew was on the USS Enterprise and he said that the Navy seals brought their guns from home their AR rifles and they all carried Glock side arms or 1911 45
I agree. Kyle is about as stand up a dude as you’ll ever see. America needs more like him. Humble, strong, daring, compassionate, god fearing men willing and capable of great violence to ensure peace. They’re hard to find these days. Damn few
@NeemoHose-ir5ht Honest answer (even tho I know your question was meant for the OP) This man grabbed his weapon and kit, and made his own way to a hotel that had been attacked by a group of terrorists. He went through the hotel, by himself, killing several terrorists, while escorting whatever civilians he found to safety. Only to go back in and continue working. Wanting to make sure he didn't accidentally miss anybody or leave anybody behind, he went back and checked every single hotel room at least twice and held down the fort until a French special forces team landed in country. He then deployed with the French SF team to show them where he had cleared & where he hadn't, and in doing so ended up in yet one more gunfight before the day was done. Prior to that, while deployed to Afghanistan, he single handedly entered a minefield & carried one of his wounded colleagues to safety. The nation needs men like him because when things get tough and people need help, he's the guy who has proven himself as the type of guy to show up
I Agree Because The 9mm is never to be underestimated. And The cost of .40cal ammo is 35% to 50% more than 9mm ammo cost. Besides They Both Get The Job Done. Great Video. Love It.
I’ve always carried a 45 for LE duty but I carry 9mm for off duty carry. If you carry good defense rounds the ballistics as far as lethality is nominal. I hate the way 40cal is so snappy, I don’t like shooting it. I like 45 and 9. Just me, I know there are tons of people out there who swear one way or the other but the simple truth is, in a defense situation I like the caliber I have on hand.
@@MRDonWick2 Which model do you have? Everyone i know with one loves them. I just haven’t got around to getting one yet as this year is daddy’s new AK year. Thank you but also fuck you taxes.
@@KINGRODP Absolutely! The Germans carried the 9mm Luger and Wather and Mauser P38's and American soldiers carried Grease guns and there are many other firearms throughout history that chambered the 9mm. I owned a Vietnam Era S&W model 39 9mm that was an excellent pistol! 40 cal is a great round and so are the 45acp and 10mm but in a SHTF scenario 9mm will most likely be a lot easier to find on any battlefield and it has plenty of knockdown power and great accuracy. I EDC a Glock 19 and before that the S&W model 39 and when it comes to personal defense I feel very confident.
@shootinnscootin5545 9mm is a terrible pistol round for combat. Cops a absolutely hate it because you have to mag dump just to drop someone. 9mm is just a cheap round that is the absolute minimum to kill someone and it barely does that.
Exact reasons I switched after 20 years of arguing against 9mm. I carry both with training on 9 and carry .45 or 9mm depending on dress in concealed. Great discussion carrying 9mm.
But 20 years ago .40 made more sense, 9mm initially had a terrible reputation of not being able to stop a threat. Ammo technology for 9mm has improved so much since then that .40 doesn't really make sense anymore. The performance gain is minimal but you get way more recoil, less capacity, larger frame, etc.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 20 years ago you still had great rounds that were offered in 9mm. Maybe 30 years ago or more that's true. If you go back that far though you would see that 40sw was picked because it had less recoil and way worse ballistics than 10mm.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 exactly. I used your exact points to argue for using 9mm now. I actually traded to my family a Ruger P94 9 mm and never wanted another. Now I have multiple. Including m&p folding carbine. It just makes sense now, especially with ammo market.
The way I think of it, it's a preference at this point. Bullets are very advanced compared to 20 years ago, that .45, .40 and 9mm doesn't make a big difference
@@joe1273 It completely does. In this instance the “craftsmen” would be the shooter and the “tool” would be a firearm. Craftsmen don’t by shit tools because they’ll fail them or not work properly. Shooters don’t buy shit guns for the same reason.
I prefer the 45 1911 it's pretty reliable for me relatively light recoil and the grip fits my hand well and I'm pretty sure they have more room for larger fingered individuals it's in my book number 1 but I haven't shot much since I was a boy scout
I've been carrying my Colt 1911A1 .45ACP for over forty years. I've had to draw it three times, never had to fire it in anger. If I ever am forced to use it, I am confident in its proven stopping power.
@@adsafgasgasdfasdf .45 acp does have that man stopping power, its why they made the switch from .38 to .45 acp after the moro fighters failed to be stopped after being shot multiple times from a .38 revolver. and cmon man, hes had more than 40 years of life experience, youre bound to have an unfortunate situation in your lifetime.
The only thing “proven” about the 1911 is that it’s obsolete and you would be completely outmatched by everyone because they use glocks that carry twice the rounds you got
@ColKlenk-id1yu I'm not critizing anyone it's a matter of personal preference. I'm not planning to get in any shootouts to try and "out match" anyone. If I have multiple assailants firing on me, I won't be too concerned about their personal preference in firearms or caliber.
I don’t have a 1911 but fired plenty. They are straight and smooth AF. Now the idiot on here comparing the .45 and the 9mm saying not much of a difference is a complete dunce. People survive 9mm all the time. Not many make it back from .45 no go back and do your fucking research before typing something on the toilet. Oh also an old head pulls out a 1911 is no one to fuck with.
@ColKlenk-id1yu I once stopped wild boar charging me at under 30 meters. I was using hot loaded full jacket round nose. It stopped him quick. Those boars are tough. Tougher than a human.
I carried the 9mm for 34 years LE in L.A. During that period and for a short while, I switched to the .45acp. Since retirement, I went with .40 90% of the time as my EDC. I just like the heavier bullet and the bigger oompf it makes. 😮
Same I love it but might get the 9mm version bc of prepping, I'm planning on getting a akv 9mm and I have another 9 so might as well for 1k rounds for 250 than 10mm for 556 prices
@@x740Reaper I have 9mm and 10mm. I don't do .40, .45, .38, or 5.7 of .357 Sig or .357 mag or .44 mag etc.... i have .22lr, 9mm and 10mm. I have a lot more 9mm than 10mm but i have over a 1,000 rds of 10mm that i've accumulated over the years. Some are specifically "bear rounds". I live in bear country and mountain lion country AND if i did get attacked by wolves i would like to feel good about 1 rd per wolf. Not sure i would with 9mm. I have, i think Tapco 30 or 33 rd 10mm magazines for the G40 and the FN510 tactical comes with a 22 rd magazine. That's a lot of firepower.
@@x740Reaper If you want penetration, 10mm. Penetration for barriers like vehicles and bears...i'd go 10mm. .45 is great for two legged creatures... but i think you'll get better penetration and better range with 10mm. 10mm is probably going to be more lethal, the further away from your target you are.
Costs more with so little benefit that it’s not visible and has more recoil… and lower capacity Yeah, if you shoot someone with either it’ll work but that doesn’t make it optimal or cost effective to train on
I think more people die from it due to its prevalent nature in the market and slow, bleeding out. May not be the most effective for breaking bones and larger. Hydraulic leaks.
Exactly, 9mm originally had a horrible reputation of not being able to stop a threat without multiple hits. But technology has improved a ton since then and now the difference between 9mm and .40 is super minimal.
In combat in Afghanland, I watched a buddy of mine dump 12 rounds of 9mm fmj into a guy until he fell. Ammo choice is huge when it comes to choosing 9 over 40 or 10 or 45cal. The other three have the mass behind them compared to 9. Liberty ammo doesn’t count with their insane 2300fps rounds
Im gonna do some testing out of my 40s&w. I am a fan of both 9mm and 40 so my testing will be for which round ill choose as my daily carry. From the testing ive seen so far, 40s&w has the ability to be far more devastating on impact than a 9mm round if the right bullet grain weight/design to powder ratio is used.
I’d have to give that to 10mm. Very similar capacity, often the same or just a couple less, but way more powerful than 9mm. On the flip side tho 10mm is much more expensive and is much harder on the gun. Also has a bit more recoil so follow up shots aren’t going to be quite as fast as with 9mm, but I’m sure enough training can close that gap.
No stopping power in a 9 mm, Have you ever looked into real information? No. Because you’re just echoing someone else’s bad and false beliefs. Get some accurate ballistic information , and never let cost dictate your level of protection. Come on man. Use some common sense thinking. Or die I guess.
Stopping power was a myth sold by John Browning to market the .45 ACP to the US military. Ballistics and lethality are what people falsely associate with "Stopping Power," but no round just stops someone in their tracks with some kind of boxing punch unless it's a huge round or rubber bullet. The actual "punch" you would feel from a round is what the shooter would feel while firing a bolt-action weapon. It's about what the round does when it hits the body that counts. But, in terms of combat efficiency, what matters mostly is going to be shot placement and magazine capacity.
@@ce6654 if you have ever been shot you would completely understand stopping power, That big exit hole is stopping power. What mystical bullshit are you talking about? Your idea of what’s going on is significantly different than reality, but good luck to ya bud. Ahahahahah
@@ApocalypseFuddThats a different story. Caliber makes a difference for rifles. Not pistols. A 55 grain 5.56 round is going to do much more damage than a 230 grain 45 acp round. Its all about velocity and fragmentation
Its crazy. Before shawn did his own ahow he did some shows with other operators. When they talked about the mp5 thry said they didnt like using them because of how long it takes people to pass and they didnt like hearing it.
@@dholiday9315 sorry I failed to mention they said they hated it because of the 9mm the mp5s were chambered in didn't extinguish the enemy quick enough.
@@dustinb1070 no I got ya, wasn’t being argumentative. Just saying that’s what they meant it’s a common argument. If you’re going rifle/long gun/anything not a pistol it’s stupid and pointless in 95% of situations to run a pistol caliber round when you can have a rifle round in the same package. When speaking strictly pistol/sidearm like they are 9mm just makes sense. If it’s gonna be carried on kit and into battle I’d still say 10mm myself but ammo would be the issue and 9mm is everywhere and east to source.
As a Federal Agent I used a Glock-22 close to 26yrs...retired in 2019, now working as a State cop part-time I'm using a Glock-19...I'm digging using the 9mm...
30 caliber+ handgun rounds are statistically the same on human targets, and you’ll double tap (maybe triple) with a pistol further closing any real gaps in performance. In light of that makes sense to carry a higher capacity platform.
The switch from 9 to .40 was SOLELY due to the poor training and lack of accountability of law enforcement. The FBI has admitted as much YEARS ago. It was an example of a craftsman blaming his tools for the subpar quality of their work. The QUANTIFIABLE difference in terminal ballistics between the two are marginal at best, and tend to significantly overlap.
So do the fbi picks what firearm contracts the navy seals and delta go through ? Just curious since this video and topic have nothing to do with anything you said in the beginning of your statement . The 2nd part of your statement is in an agreement with what the navy seal said which then contradicts the 1st part of your statement lol. I wonder if you realized any of this before you posted it.
There was a good article written about this many years ago. Military and gov organizations switched to 9mm from 45 because it’s all about bullets on bodies. The bullet will do the job. After some tests, the guys with the 9mm pistols put way more rounds on target faster than those with the 45 caliber. Faster follow up = more bullets on body. The reason I mostly carry 9mm is for the same reason the US organizations switched to it.
When people say I wouldn't carry a 22 at all have no idea that a 22 can drop you from a football field away I personally carry a 9m micro kimber 1911 with extended mag and Lazer grip and custom sights my back up is a 38 snub Taurus just incase the 9 malfunctions
There's a really big gun club a couple hours from where I live. I took my Ruger 10/22 and was able to hit the paper target at 100 yards with crappy iron sights. When I used to teach the rifle and shotgun merit badge to boy scouts we used to show a video of someone shooting through a wooden board with a 22 rifle. A 22 is a lot more than a big BB gun. As long as it’s powerful enough to pass through bone like the sternum and keep on going then it’s powerful enough for self defense. Velocity is the main factor in Kinetic energy (1/2 mass times velocity squared) and common pistol rounds aren’t heavy enough or fast enough to be all that different from each other. Personally I like 9mm because 40 is very snappy in a little gun and I don’t carry an extra magazine so the extra capacity is nice. It’s more important to have something that you’ll actually carry consistently that what it is. A pocket sized pistol in a small caliber is better than a big gun left at home.
"shot placement is key"... You mentioned .22LR... I personally knew someone who is no longer with us because of .22LR, from a pistol no less... So yeah, caliber less important than WHERE it's put... Practice often, practice seriously, and never underestimate the underdog.
That new 124gr. 9mm "NATO" load is actually relatively potent. Even though its an FMJ, it is flyin down range at between 1250 and 1325 from my glock 19x. Apsolutely not what I expected lol no +p rating that I saw either.
I have some 9mm fmj military surplus loads. They definitely have some ass behind them compared to commercial fmj. Recoil feels very similar to the 147 grain HST’s I normally carry.
I think 9mm is the best round for the average shooter because of capacity. Large enough to get the job done, but small enough that a ton can fit it a mag. The average shooter is likely to miss quite a bit in a stressful situation. Its good to have more ammo to send down range. Good vid
Love it. Finally somebody just said it out loud, the Old German is not just as good. Follow the money! And hey, on a finite budget sound choice on a secondary
I would think the answer is recoil management, new tech in defense ammo lethality, and most importantly capacity. I'd rather have 4 extra rounds if I miss or if I can make 4 more holes in someone.
The advantage of 9mm is the cost, cheaper ammo allows for more practice. The studies I’ve seen show all handguns from 32 up to 45acp require 2.2 hits on average to cause a physical stop. Yes 45 and 40 are more powerful than 9mm but is that difference enough to matter. Rounds that hit matter more than anything else, 9mm is effective enough and more practice means a better chance of hitting what you are shooting at. Just my thoughts.
Shoot steel and you'll see for yourself the new Big up and coming thing is 5'7x28 but it's like shooting a 22 that stuff doesn't even move a steel plate but it's going over 2000 feet per second
.40 S&W can be had for the same price as 9mm, performs better, doesn't kick much more unless you're a weak wristed female, and the guns can be had for dirt cheap.
Anyone who thinks ballistics are "good" on any of the big 3 caliber handgun rounds demonstrates they know very little to nothing about what constitutes good ballistics.
@AnAZPatriot Anyone who doesn't understand that when we say "good" that we are referring to handgun caliber ballistics, is probably fresh off the short bus. Obviously, grab a rifle if you can. A handgun is your dead last resort fighting tool.
I’m a .40 guy who’s been convinced to focus on 9mm. You can also double stack a magazine in a compact, with 9mm. Extra ammo is even more important, then slightly more lethality …. Plus $0.16 per round vs $0.27 adds up
The great part about this is that I can pick up .40 cal glocks for $250. They're everywhere and they can't give the ammo away. Supply and demand saturated the markets so cost is not an issue
Regardless of why he thinks they changed, this guy shoots what they give him. In ‘06 the FBI went to .40cal after their testing showed the 9mm of the time lacked the penetration to provide a reasonable chance of incapacitation. Everybody followed suit. Since then, powder has improved and the 9mm can be loaded for more power. Now the FBI and everybody else is switching back to 9mm.
Negative, the 9mm penetrates further than the 40 cal, always has. They switched because 40 cal delivers more kinetic force or knockdown power than the 9mm and because of the lower penetration. The thought process was that it would reduce the possibility of bullets going through walls and hitting unintended targets.
The mag capacity should not be a part of the equation. My gen 3 G30S came with 10rd double stack mags but will also accept 13rd mags with mag extensions. It's a bit heavy for it's size but 13 in the mag and 1 in the hole makes for a decent punch chambered in .45acp.
@@brianj.simpson4050 bro!!!! Do you understand how much money our government spends on defense? At the end of the day, the costs between 9mm and.45acp is trivial. And as for the weight? We are talking about an 8 or 6 once difference; versus the effectiveness over .45acp versus 9mm. I'll take my chances with .45acp over 9mm.
@@fredlambergif you like .45 so much you should be quick to adopt 10mm as it's ballistic performance is superior in every way, and Glocks come standard at 15 rounds for it
My personal experience was that it had the worst characteristics of both .45 and 9 mm, without an appreciable advantage over either. Most agencies, mine included, have now gone back to 9 mm.
USSOF guy talks about ammo costs? Really? DOD spends billions on the equipment from the perspective of which 9 mm or even the .40S&W cal handgun or SMG ammo is like a toilet paper or napkins;-))
I bought a .40 randomly, they are surprisingly that extra edge that makes the difference. Plus if you get to know “ wound cavity “ science they have a very special signature.
Walk softly, and carry a big stick. Our EDC motto. Since this video was more a debate on cost and performace in regards to the "big 3" calibers, figured it really doesn't pertain to us. 10mm doesn't really fall into this class of calibers.
@slay2525 Not entirely true. Yes if you are fighting a uniformed Army expanding ammo is frowned upon but we do carry and use it. Also the new service pistols were selected with the plans of using "Special Purpose" Ammo.
I think 380 is super underrated for self-defense, particularly for women and shooters with a small frame. Everyone wants to focus on stopping power, but that's useless if you can't keep that power on target. If someone can put more shots on target with a 380 than a 9mm or a 40 cal, then clearly a 380 is the choice for them.
When getting down to a small enough and light enough gun, .380 is all that really works well. Those 10oz micros can't be in in 9mm or bigger, the size just can't handle it.
@@bigclen5206 lol, no. The ballistics werent there to justify the less carrying capacity. I said performamce AND capacity together, this is WELL KNOWN. You think they give a SHIT about cost??🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
King my butt 45 is the true manstopper its a fact! Look at the intense testing especially in ww2 everyone know 45 is more lethal. 9mm is cheap that's it! Why people insist in doing mental gymnastics and delusional it's just as good bs is mind boggling.
@@garymulligan884345 doesnt even outperform 9mm it just doesnt it dont go through more shit or anything its just a fat slow round i love the 45 but my god if u want a powerhouse 10mm beats most
I switched from G30 .45acp to G26 9mm 15yrs ago, mainly due to the weight. The G26 slide is much lighter and the backup 15rd G19 mag w/ 124gr +p is much lighter than the backup G21 mag w/ 13rds of 230gr .45's. There is a lot I like about .45acp and the G30 is a sweet shooter, but I am more comfortable carrying the lighter G26.
@@trevorbowman13919mm is the move for daily carry. It’s lighter, just as lethal, cheaper, easier to shoot. For a home only bedside gun, .45 is not a bad choice
Really small micro guns are best in 9mm. Somone new to carrying will be much more comfortable with a smaller gun. Unless you have a crap ton of disposable income, and most 21 year olds do not, you won't be shooting very much .45 acp. It's expensive.
So I’ve been confused for home defense. I carry and have for home defense .45 acp because I have been reading/hearing that the stopping power of the bullet won’t penetrate walls as easily so if I miss I’m less likely to hit someone in a home nearby whereas a 9mm is small and travels faster so it would be easier for it to go through walls and hit someone; or go through a person and hit someone. I’m not completely sure about this. What do you guys think?
@@Gfkd2001 It's nice having lots of ammo in the gun...but that's not an excuse to 'spray and pray' like we see so many cop shoots doing. Being smaller and lighter means you can carry more for the same loadout which is always an advantage so long as the effectiveness isn't being compromised.
This sounds like my internal conversation when I'm standing in the ammo aisle.
I thought I was the only one
I carry a 9mm daily for practicality.. For ballistic purposes I used to shoot sig .357 but that's getting harder to find. I would like a 10mm for my hard hitting fun gun for range because it's a nastier load than all of those ballistically.
@thebuzzcjc I'm considering getting a "higher-caliber/stronger-cartridged" handgun here soon since November's sneaking up awful fast on me lol. I already have a 9mm Beretta thats in pretty much like new condition, my CC Sig P938 (that isn't in like new condition lol), and then for a 3rd modern pistol I was gonna get some variety of like a .357 Sig, 10mm Auto, perhaps a 5.7×28 (I know that's a small bore round but it's very fast & "exotic" like the 10 & .357 Sig), and then a solid, high quality/reliable Mid to full-size (prefer if whatever model it is has some option/options size-wise for someone whos not ginormous-handed 😂 if possible lol).
Edit: I kinda wrote that confusingly my bad. For the 3rd part (about 357 sig, 10mm, etc & a pistol brand/model that is reliable & not overly ginormously sized or anything in those sorts of calibers) I was mainly asking for some recommendations if you have any that fit the aspects/description I mentioned.
LMAO
😅 no doubt!
You fire 4 rounds of 9mm at someone, that's 36mm
Lol this guy😂
I’ve seen guys get hit with close to 10 shots of 9mm and still walk through. It’s not such an amazing cartridge as it is cheap and widely available. It’s better than .22lr and almost the same price. And law enforcement always goes for cheap, practical, and generally reliable - which 9mm is.
Buuuuut if you have better options available, I’d go for those. For example I’d go for a short 12 gauge with 00 buck or slugs, haven’t seen anyone walk through those yet.
@@JesusIsGoodTruthYou wanna carry a 12 gauge Diablo derringer as your pistol ? Feel free!
Because that’s the topic…caliber choice in a sidearm.
Love the account name btw
@@JesusIsGoodTruthyup, and some people (especially the ones on drugs) tank just as many from 40, and 45 sometimes. The truth is that auto loading handgun calibers (with few exceptions) are ass. Of course they will kill someone, but they don't stop someone like a high caliber rifle or shotgun blast will (often) do.
In that case I'll take the 160 cal
Don’t tell the Royal Marines… they’ll start using their knife and allocate the budget to the bar!
Do they not use 9mm or am I misunderstanding you? When I was with em in Africa they all had custom glocks I assumed 9mm
I’ve never heard somebody get shot and say “Thank god it was only 9mm”
They can't, when their lungs have been "blown out of the body!"
Yet, people have had 9mm emptied at them by Police and they keep coming. That doesn't tend to happen with 45.
@@e.l.norton I mean if they're loaded up on PCP or something similar, they'll likely keep coming unless it's a lethal shot
@@joshslaughter8343
Well the entire reason 10mm and .40 exist is because of how many people where still returning fire at police after being hit with multiple 9mm rounds.
Doesn’t tend to happened with those calibers
@@TheDougSpotnot true, .40 or even 10mm arent instant off-switches. The reason they went back to is that the difference in stopping power isn't that big with current technology now, and another big part of the decision is how much easier it is to shoot 9 mm, resulting in higher accuracy and faster followup shots.
10mm is a beast, but so is its recoil and shot placement is more important than caliber.
I wish Jocko would dedicate the next several years to interviewing ww2 vets.
While the last few are still around
See what the old vets have to say about the .45
Are you talking about Jocko willink? Because that’s Shawn Ryan doing the interviewing
Go tell Jocko that.
😂 what hell this comment has to do with anything here ?? You are high kid !
Good idea
I wanted him to say we saved millions of dollars switching to Geico
Yes, you could 15% or more on your car insurance by switching to GEICO.
Switching to glocko
I'd rather switch to the general and save some time
🤣
Geico is expensive. Switch to Clearcover, guys.
That pawn shops are full of 40 cal’s says something.
I converted my 23 to a 19 simply for the fact of ammunition availability.
It says that people buy things because someone said they should instead of actually finding what they like, I just acquired a Glock 23 in 40 s&w and I like it just fine
I have the 22 and 27 but need the 23 to complete my series.
For combat I think the 40 is better than the 9 but when having to haul ammo around I understand the weight issues
Says that people listen to what any moron on UA-cam or Reddit has to say. I have a Glock 22 gen 4 that shoots like a dream. Bought a Brownells bull barrel conversion for my Glock 22 now I can also shoot 9mm out of the same platform. Literally the perfect SHTF pistol can switch between two very common rounds for an $100 extra upgrade.
@@eancola6111Ngl the Glock 23 I own has more recoil than my commander 1911 chambered in .45 it’s actually a fun gun to shoot though 🤣
I went from 45 to 9 and can't go back. My groups are half the size of what they were in 45. I even bought a 40 and tried it for a few months. Overall 9 took the W, capacity, accuracy, power, cost to train etc. I'm a fan boy now
complete opposite happened here. I trained extensively in 9 before switching to .357. Part of that reason may have been growing up in the country only with rifles and not being able to hit anything with a pistol until my instructor taught me my tales. Eventually I picked up a Sig .226 .40cal, then a Sig 229 40cal because I kept my grouping in the kill zone. Sometimes it's the gun itself, and sometimes it's the caliber. I didn't start playing with .45 until oddly enough I WAS over 45, and the 3 types I've shot I've managed to keep my grouping as tight as any of my other 40s. 9mm is fantastic, no arguments there. There's just in my opinion a combination of variables each person has to experiment with to find their happy place.
@@francischambless59199mm is still better
I thought the 40 cal was less accurate than .45 Glock 21 . The 9 is more accurate than all. I really like my Remington 1911. Almost as accurate as my 9mm
It has its merits. I like 9mm for what it is. I like 'em all.
Sadly, in my age and poor phyaical condition, I've turned to 5.7x28. My eyesight just isn't what it used to be, either... so less compensation = better accuracy.
Still love to thud some .45 up close... and it's nice not having to sort through a catalog or pay premium prices to get subsonic.
Exactly my dad outshot a Marine with his s&w 40 cal and the Marine had a Glock 45 cal , had an apple out at 45 yards my dad hit the apple first shot and spun it around then shot again and exploded it @@francischambless5919
I asked an old SF weapons guy where he stood on 9mm vs. .45 ... He said, "Shot placement" 😂
Not to mention, you can have higher capacity mags with the 9mm platform vs the .40 cal within the same size format
Great point exactly 👍🏼
2 rounds bro seriously 😂.40 is way better than 9
@vennoballin2230 its not though. Its just not different enough to warrant use. At least with .45 you have an argument. It has a large difference in performance characteristics and is really good for use with suppressors.
@@casematecardinal .45 AARP, outside of a very few, very niche situations is all but obsolete when measured against more modern chamberings.
It's too heavy, and too slow.
That's not to say it's " ineffective" by any means, just that there are empirically " better" options out there.
@@casematecardinal Bro i live in chicago you cannot tell me anything about it i have my ccl license i know multiple people who been shot everyone my bestfriend was shot 13x in his body and survived im telling you .40s not too many people survive off them you can shoot a ballistic block all day but we really talking about real life stuff
Its hilarious that we've been stressing out over this for a hundred years now 🤣
i think since 1992. .Thats when 40 was invented.
@@phoenix21studioshe means the caliber debate in general
No one's stressing over any of it.
@@ThaGodsFather Yes they are.
@phoenix21studios probably more like the mid 80s. The military adopted the 9mm Beretta 92F in 1985, the Miami FBI shootout was in 1986. The only reason .40 S&W exists is because some FBI agents couldn't shoot 10mm Auto well, so the FBI asked S&W to make the cartridge more shooter friendly, which consisted of shortening the case and reducing the powder charge. And thus .40 Short & Weak was born. Truth is 9mm does its job perfectly well to the point that the only real justification for using .45 AARP is the fact that it's naturally subsonic and suppresses well while not losing lethality because it doesn't rely on high velocity in the first place.
“Cost benefit and savings”, said no military budget office ever.
As the SEALS have no budget,from what I've heard.
Maybe not. All the municipalities follow what the military has. So their thinking is if the military is doing it, we should too. It's all about costs, people. You heard him say it. This Deputies Department still uses .40 caliber. Thank you, Sheriff.
They switched to pay for reassignment surgeries
Said every acquisition person ever😅
His did
I was LE for 27 yrs. Our department changed from 40 to 9 mm. We were told because testing showed that officers were more accurate and on target with 9 mm versus the 40 Cal.
You mean female officers.🤔
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You see in his eyes when he says "one well placed shot to drop somebody flat" total recall happening
I'll bet it was with a rifle, not a Beretta in 9mm. The difference in rifle performance to a handgun is huge. In fact 7 out of every 8 people shot by a handgun survive. There is a huge amount of evidence, quite a few of it video of people getting shot by a handgun and it not really fazing them for several minutes. That's why most trainers who are worth a darn train to keep shooting until the bad guy goes down. There is a video which is on UA-cam from a large city emergency room trauma doctor who sees a lot of gunshot wounds where he talks about how ineffective handguns are compared to rifles and shotguns.
What if you don’t get a well-placed shot? Is 9mm still “the best”? Lol
not if you use hollows dude
@grn8946 You've been watching too many TV shows and movies as your ignorance is astounding. It's obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. I would try to explain it to you but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't comprehend it anyway.
You can definitely sense the honesty in that statement
It's the same logic behind the 5.56. Smaller round, means more bullets, more chances to get a hit. Faster bullet makes up for the smaller round size.
All it takes is 1 Well Placed Shot!!! #Facts, considering
223/556 are just CentreFire Pointed .22Mags with an extra 1000FPS worth of Sending Powder.
Using Standard Budget Type Bulk Ammo in .22Cal *Rifles*, your sending a
Basic .22LR=1100FPS
Basic .22WMR=2000FPS
Basic .223=2800-3200FPS
The 5.56 logic was actually not "because it does roughly the same damage", but because it acutally is less lethal than the 30-06 or .308. Whereas the enemy would have died almost instantly being hit with a larger caliber, the 5.56 more likely wounded the soldier so the hostile forces have to treat that soldier now.
@@kyleanderson1941 👍🏼👍🏼…. That’s why I went with 7.62x39 for my first rifle because I already had a couple .22’s … they’re just not as quick and 4/5 the weight or so of 5.56. 7.62x39 is like a better blkout round. More versatile all around… just not super long range
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@@Valhalla4us you are correct. A wounded soldier degrades the enemy more than a dead one, generally speaking
Listened to this man’s story and holy moly is he one of the baddest mfers on this earth. Thank you for your service and sacrifice
Is the full episode on Spotify my friend can't handle the amount of ads on here
Except for he must have very limited real field experience because otherwise he’d know that “one well placed shot” isn’t always enough to drop someone. Like, I agree with him prolly 95%, but he says that like it’s a cold hard fact when the hard fact is that some people just keep coming despite damage that should have instantly killed them.
@noahdietchweiler9408 Apparently you don't know who that is. Google Kyle Morgan. You can read all about his "very limited real field experience "
@@noahdietchweiler9408if they're still coming at your after your one well placed shot, then clearly your shot wasn't placed well enough.
@@noahdietchweiler9408Kyle Morgan was Delta, he was the guy that ran into the hotel and took on those terrorist in Mali in 2015. One of the SRS best interviews. He knows what he’s talking about
Iv never heard anyone complain about what they got shot with. 🤷🏽♂️
Lol
Archive 🫡👏
Who needs to aim when you have a machine gun😎
I complained when i got shot with a bb gun
agreed id run from a bb gun..no one wants to be shot
Shot placement is everything, no matter the pistol caliber.
Exactly. If a person can hit what they are aiming at, caliber becomes much less of an issue and more of a personal preference.
Absolutely
Tell that to the G.Is shooting the enemy in Vietnam multiple times with 5.56s and not dropping them. Meanwhile a round or 2 out of an AK was all that was needed.
Not everyone shoots like a laser like you do, Mr. Sniper Elite.
You're not getting shot placement in a real fight..
@@Tom-cp6yj
When I was younger and into cars, I read on a forum, that money spent on the track was the best money you could put into a car. This is great.
He had a very practical response to Shawn Ryan's question. Much respect to that hero 💪
When I was a police officer my department transitioned from .40 to 9 mm so we went through a ton of different ballistics testing using both calibers and using the same platform(G17 and G22). They included shooting through doors, dry wall, clothing, heavy clothing and many others. It was months of testing they did and found with modern loads the 9 mm was as good or better on all of the tests. There wasn’t a single test where the .40 caliber had better performance. Then add capacity and recoil it was a no brainer.
🙏 thank you
Pretty solid info. Thanks
I'm calling bs I have both and have shot them side by side into many different things. I assure you you are spouting untruths. Even the numbers deny what you are claiming. Hornadys ftx bullet for example in both loads hornady 165 grain shoots 1175 fps and 506 ft lbs of energy
9mm is 1155fps and 345 ft lbs with its most potent load.. I used the 40 sw lightest bullet and could have gone much heavier and seen much more energy. You sir are debunked.
Is that fmj or hollow
@@Stewart7516Your right he is not telling the truth. People are seem to be ashamed so ashamed they like the 9mm round. They all make up data points to justify their choice.😂😂
My thinking is, 9mm, and 556. Are 2 of the most common rounds to be found here in the US. So. What are you most likely to run across when shit hits the fan?
40 is one of the only things on the shelf during ammo shortages. It gets a lot of hate but not one soul can say 40 isn't statistically better to incapacitate your target. It's plentiful and it fucks shit up. I have everything but ammo shortages pushed me into buying a few 40 cal pistols and I'm glad I did because I can always find ammo
7.62x39. If I want a rifle, I don't want to have to hit twice.
@@reallyhappenings5880 perhaps, but can more easily use my call of duty abilities to loot ppl
7.62 X 39 is the most common round in the world though
@@UH60CHIEF not in America
This was one of the best interviews this guy is extremely knowledgeable
Was this a recent episode?
Hes telling us what we already knew
@@joshuasmith6346 he may be telling you something you already knew, but he was asked the question by Shawn… I was referring to the other 3 hours of his interview though, not this specific clip.
Everyone’s a critic Joshua. Even if it’s a cag dude you guys still can’t keep your mouth shut
You know he was remembering first hand examples of different calibers when he talked about a "well placed shot" including .45, .40 and 9mm.
17+1 in G17 vs 15+1 in G22 plus less recoil is also another benefit
It's for the girls! Lol
Find someone who has a PX4 in 40 caliber, you'll see what a handgun can be when it's designed for the 40 caliber
@erica12373365 😅😅😅😅 the storm is one of the biggest piece of dog 💩 ever created. You must be really new to firearms or a completely fudd
20+1 in a Staccato P.
25+1 in a G44 plus even less recoil sounds like a no-brainer tbh
There are only four reasons to choose 9mm:
1- cost
2- prolific (you can find it anywhere)
3- abundant (you can find a LOT of it anywhere)
4- projectile/load choices (you're guaranteed to find more variations of 9mm at any given shop than other handgun cartridges)
In 2024; a 9mm +P works fine. I use Federal HST 124gr +P. I also have +P bonded Winchester Defender, some Golden Saber 124gr bonded. +P. 124gr FMJ NATO specs are good too. I own .357sig & .40 guns too.
Speer gold dot 124gr +P and Hornady Critical Duty 124gr +P are also good options. Although I do carry HST majority of the time.
5- lighter weight ammo
6- smaller cases contributing to slightly higher capacities
@@DavidLLambertmobile I use Underwood +P extreme chaos or extreme defender.
Far more than 4. Light recoil, twice the capacity as a .45, same ballistics as every other common carry handgun cartridge besides a .357.
Simply put, don’t miss.
Have You Seen Trained Millitary Personel On Battle Fields Still Miss With All The Training They Get 😂
Simply put, you don't know shit about what you're talking about.
Aim small. Miss small.
You get 5+ more shots with 9mm too. Depending on magazine size.
People that say this have never seen any combat
9mm is the most developed and researched round. Theres a reason 9mm back in the 80s were shite compared to a .40, but now outperforms a .40 in almost every way possible. The 9mm has gone through extensive research, development, and tweaking to be the most used and prolific round to this day.
Yup. 9mm was, for a long time, not that great. These days? Hard to beat.
80s huh might wantvti have some intelligence before making a comment. As for bullet development no bullet manufacturer is doing improvements on just one caliber. If its r&d a bullet they do it for every bullet they make.
It was great since the moment it was introduced. America was just plagued by a dumb mentality that the bigger cartridge meant the better gun. In the 80s the military and police departments were still clinging to the .45APC and ginormous revolver rounds. When FBI were testing 10mm and .40 they wanted an automatic pistol which had the power of a revolver or rather a small bore rifle for better penetration which was dumb by design. Modern 9mm has different loads which can make it either more powerful or subsonic but police departments and the military are using standard loads just like it was intended more than 100 years ago.
No “ not every way possible”- better bullet design with the 124 and 127 gr rounds JHP.. local LE used to use 115 gr JHP which didn’t have that mythical stopping power and the 147 gr JHP didn’t get optimal performance either as it was a subsonic round meant to be launched out of the HK type sub guns popular in the 80s and 90s.
The real reason many LE agencies went back to 9mm? Smaller statured less robust officers couldn’t properly qualify with the .40 cal and its aggressive snappy recoil and or handle the
weight of .45 firing pistols ( the Glock 22 is chunky in smaller hands)
For the military? You can literally find 9x19mm ammo worldwide , so a Navy Seal or Green Beret / Ranger or Marine Recon guy can “ scoop” up extra if he looks around …
.40 is crap.
.45ACP rules.
The 9mm Luger is just a damn good compromise between capacity, lethality, cost, availability. Are there better cartridges for this or that? Certainly, but the 9mm luger gets it done and all and all a great choice for edc. So many choices in guns and ammunition, too. And its the most common cartridge in the world.
Regarding pistols, bullet construction and shot placement matter far more than caliber choice.
Don't say that.boomer fuds will shit them selfs to prove a decorated soldier with kills and lead time is "wrong" cause they shot steal and old cars on the weekends
Correct. Most of the guys I hear arguing about calibers, 1911 vs Glock, or some other nonsense don’t seem to be able to shoot that well. The really good shooters seem to be able to replicate their success on multiple platforms.
If someone tells you a 9mm is ineffective as a carry weapon, that someone doesn’t know what the he’ll they’re taking about.
You couldn’t even spell hell
@@ReCoN-oEver hear of auto correct? If he's a half way decent human being he probably types in he'll a lot more than hell. Even That last sentence I had to type in hell twice because it auto corrected.
Idk I see/hear of more stories of someone taking 4+ hits from a 9mm and making it out alive. If you're a trained professional, use whatever you want. If you're a normal civilian who literally needs the extra stopping power and lethality, 9mm isn't really the way to go.
@@newby547 Also depends on the ammo. I doubt someone is taking 4 center mass of Hornady critical defense but with any ammo shot placement is key.
@@JBrass98is that why whenever I try type he'll it comes out hell? 😅. 😊
Thanks for using one of my website's old pics (2nd one of the white box 9mm 115gr +P+, I take all of the site's pics so I recognize my own work).
And yes, it's a sidearm. The difference in results from 9mm to 40S&W is like the man said, negligible, but the cost and recoil and overall benefit of the 9mm over every other comparable sidearm caliber is significant.
9mm has won that caliber war, by a lot. Also, I personally own more 9's than I can remember, too much fun, too many options from 6rd pocket carry to old Colt AR-9's taking modified Uzi mags and everything in between...9mm feeds them all.
My little Beretta 25 cal saved my life. Say what you want but they are indeed deadly. It's my 3rd back up piece on my ankle lol.
What happened to you?
You walk around with three guns on your body my dude?
You're talking bout movie level action sequences 😂
I carry 16 pistols on me at all times. You just never know.
Greetings, but let me tell you that what makes efficient the 25 is the quality and funcioning of the Beretta pistol 🤠🇨🇷✝️
I do not agree entirely with such concept, especially when the only alternative you have is acomplish your dutty is full metal jacket, with it anyone needs 4 or 5 diferent shots to stop an agresion. As police officers in this country legislation only alows to use that kind of bulet. I wish to mention that no one can control circunstances and all combat situations are different and say that you are 100% of the cases able to place a bulet on the head of the assilant, you lie or has to be Miculek. I like 45 acp but 40 SW is a mule kick, . 🤠🇨🇷✝️
My nephew was on the USS Enterprise and he said that the Navy seals brought their guns from home their AR rifles and they all carried Glock side arms or 1911 45
They have flexibility to purchase attachments and accessorize how they choose, but I assure you the weapons themselves are Navy issued.
You can just see in these kinds of men's eyes ... what they could do if they need too .... Our nation needs this kind of man
What do u mean? Why do you think our country needs this kind of man? Honest question
I agree. Kyle is about as stand up a dude as you’ll ever see. America needs more like him. Humble, strong, daring, compassionate, god fearing men willing and capable of great violence to ensure peace. They’re hard to find these days. Damn few
You’re …. Gay
@@NeemoHose-ir5htwhat do you think smartass. what are you trying to bait?
@NeemoHose-ir5ht Honest answer (even tho I know your question was meant for the OP)
This man grabbed his weapon and kit, and made his own way to a hotel that had been attacked by a group of terrorists.
He went through the hotel, by himself, killing several terrorists, while escorting whatever civilians he found to safety. Only to go back in and continue working.
Wanting to make sure he didn't accidentally miss anybody or leave anybody behind, he went back and checked every single hotel room at least twice and held down the fort until a French special forces team landed in country.
He then deployed with the French SF team to show them where he had cleared & where he hadn't, and in doing so ended up in yet one more gunfight before the day was done.
Prior to that, while deployed to Afghanistan, he single handedly entered a minefield & carried one of his wounded colleagues to safety.
The nation needs men like him because when things get tough and people need help, he's the guy who has proven himself as the type of guy to show up
I Agree Because The 9mm is never to be underestimated. And The cost of .40cal ammo is 35% to 50% more than 9mm ammo cost. Besides They Both Get The Job Done. Great Video. Love It.
I’ve always carried a 45 for LE duty but I carry 9mm for off duty carry. If you carry good defense rounds the ballistics as far as lethality is nominal. I hate the way 40cal is so snappy, I don’t like shooting it. I like 45 and 9. Just me, I know there are tons of people out there who swear one way or the other but the simple truth is, in a defense situation I like the caliber I have on hand.
Hard to argue with a 17+1 mag of 9mm HST in a compact form. Now i can miss so many more shots. Thanks Sig ❤
Canik, 19+1 9mm
@@MRDonWick2 Which model do you have? Everyone i know with one loves them. I just haven’t got around to getting one yet as this year is daddy’s new AK year. Thank you but also fuck you taxes.
@FatMonkeyCR I got the miami nights mete sft amd yea its an amazing gun, shoots so smooth and comes with so many assesories, honestly a great deal
Xdm 19+1 without the mag sticking out is the way to go. I know people hate on Springfield but it's a damn good gun.
@@MRDonWick2Turkish crap, use brands used by first world countries
The same goes for 5.56, yet they're on this 6.8x51 wild goose chase.
9mm is accurate, light weight and cheaper. It's been in service for a lot longer than people realize too.
Probably has the highest body count of all the common pistol calibers now. Just think about WW2.
@@KINGRODP Absolutely! The Germans carried the 9mm Luger and Wather and Mauser P38's and American soldiers carried Grease guns and there are many other firearms throughout history that chambered the 9mm. I owned a Vietnam Era S&W model 39 9mm that was an excellent pistol! 40 cal is a great round and so are the 45acp and 10mm but in a SHTF scenario 9mm will most likely be a lot easier to find on any battlefield and it has plenty of knockdown power and great accuracy. I EDC a Glock 19 and before that the S&W model 39 and when it comes to personal defense I feel very confident.
Been in use longer than 45acp
@shootinnscootin5545 9mm is a terrible pistol round for combat. Cops a absolutely hate it because you have to mag dump just to drop someone. 9mm is just a cheap round that is the absolute minimum to kill someone and it barely does that.
@@bronsonleach3573 What do you carry?
Exact reasons I switched after 20 years of arguing against 9mm. I carry both with training on 9 and carry .45 or 9mm depending on dress in concealed. Great discussion carrying 9mm.
But 20 years ago .40 made more sense, 9mm initially had a terrible reputation of not being able to stop a threat. Ammo technology for 9mm has improved so much since then that .40 doesn't really make sense anymore. The performance gain is minimal but you get way more recoil, less capacity, larger frame, etc.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 20 years ago you still had great rounds that were offered in 9mm. Maybe 30 years ago or more that's true. If you go back that far though you would see that 40sw was picked because it had less recoil and way worse ballistics than 10mm.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 exactly. I used your exact points to argue for using 9mm now. I actually traded to my family a Ruger P94 9 mm and never wanted another. Now I have multiple. Including m&p folding carbine. It just makes sense now, especially with ammo market.
The way I think of it, it's a preference at this point. Bullets are very advanced compared to 20 years ago, that .45, .40 and 9mm doesn't make a big difference
Still use 9mm and duty 10mm as of today.
As always its the craftsmen not the tool
Very true 🤌🏼
Sure but they’re a big reason craftsmen don’t buy janky tools
@@chandler9688? That has nothing to do with the debate
@@joe1273 It completely does. In this instance the “craftsmen” would be the shooter and the “tool” would be a firearm. Craftsmen don’t by shit tools because they’ll fail them or not work properly. Shooters don’t buy shit guns for the same reason.
He’s one of the toughest, baddest mfs on earth. He definitely knows what he is talking about! Respect 🫡
Always been a 9 guy. I have plenty of other cals but carry 9 in the streets but 10 when hunting or fishing.
Yeah swap that .40 for the hoods, 10 for the woods.
Glock 22, Gen 3 superior for this Marine and retired lawman. Number 2 is the 45 1911. Number 3 the 357 magnum revolver, Ruger or S&W will work.
glock 22 and 23 for me. number 2 g21. number 3 for me is g19, but i hear u 357mag ain't no joke.
@@cluckbent6466 yup!
I prefer the 45 1911 it's pretty reliable for me relatively light recoil and the grip fits my hand well and I'm pretty sure they have more room for larger fingered individuals it's in my book number 1 but I haven't shot much since I was a boy scout
@@hunterabercrombie5534 noice
Glock 20 is the best glock overall
I've been carrying my Colt 1911A1 .45ACP for over forty years. I've had to draw it three times, never had to fire it in anger. If I ever am forced to use it, I am confident in its proven stopping power.
@@adsafgasgasdfasdf .45 acp does have that man stopping power, its why they made the switch from .38 to .45 acp after the moro fighters failed to be stopped after being shot multiple times from a .38 revolver.
and cmon man, hes had more than 40 years of life experience, youre bound to have an unfortunate situation in your lifetime.
The only thing “proven” about the 1911 is that it’s obsolete and you would be completely outmatched by everyone because they use glocks that carry twice the rounds you got
@ColKlenk-id1yu
I'm not critizing anyone it's a matter of personal preference.
I'm not planning to get in any shootouts to try and "out match" anyone. If I have multiple assailants firing on me, I won't be too concerned about their personal preference in firearms or caliber.
I don’t have a 1911 but fired plenty. They are straight and smooth AF. Now the idiot on here comparing the .45 and the 9mm saying not much of a difference is a complete dunce. People survive 9mm all the time. Not many make it back from .45 no go back and do your fucking research before typing something on the toilet. Oh also an old head pulls out a 1911 is no one to fuck with.
@ColKlenk-id1yu
I once stopped wild boar charging me at under 30 meters. I was using hot loaded full jacket round nose. It stopped him quick. Those boars are tough. Tougher than a human.
I carried the 9mm for 34 years LE in L.A. During that period and for a short while, I switched to the .45acp. Since retirement, I went with .40 90% of the time as my EDC. I just like the heavier bullet and the bigger oompf it makes. 😮
10mm..... G40, FN510 Tactical. Bear country and stopping power.
Same I love it but might get the 9mm version bc of prepping, I'm planning on getting a akv 9mm and I have another 9 so might as well for 1k rounds for 250 than 10mm for 556 prices
@@x740Reaper I have 9mm and 10mm. I don't do .40, .45, .38, or 5.7 of .357 Sig or .357 mag or .44 mag etc.... i have .22lr, 9mm and 10mm.
I have a lot more 9mm than 10mm but i have over a 1,000 rds of 10mm that i've accumulated over the years. Some are specifically "bear rounds". I live in bear country and mountain lion country AND if i did get attacked by wolves i would like to feel good about 1 rd per wolf. Not sure i would with 9mm. I have, i think Tapco 30 or 33 rd 10mm magazines for the G40 and the FN510 tactical comes with a 22 rd magazine. That's a lot of firepower.
You think a 10mm in general is a good idea for shtf? Or would .45 be better?
@@x740Reaper If you want penetration, 10mm. Penetration for barriers like vehicles and bears...i'd go 10mm. .45 is great for two legged creatures... but i think you'll get better penetration and better range with 10mm.
10mm is probably going to be more lethal, the further away from your target you are.
@x740Reaper 10mm out performs .45
That’s a lot of words to say it’s cheaper and works about the same
It’s called conversation
@@joshcaligaris “why use many words when few words do trick” - wise man
.40 cal is a fine caliber. Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. Millions of people own them.
Sure, but no one is saying it’s bad. It’s purely costs and weight savings.
@@dunnock343weight? Less than an ounce difference between a loaded G19 and g23
Costs more with so little benefit that it’s not visible and has more recoil… and lower capacity
Yeah, if you shoot someone with either it’ll work but that doesn’t make it optimal or cost effective to train on
Gun and ammo makers LOVE this debate!! The FN 5.7×28mm adds to the, "I gotta get me one of them!" mania.
😂😂😂😂
Exactly. A 22 is lethal if well used
...and I'll still be making a bigger hole w/my 45acp😂
And many don't know the 22 is still the most lethal round. Cause it can go into the shoulder area and come out at the ankle.
I think more people die from it due to its prevalent nature in the market and slow, bleeding out. May not be the most effective for breaking bones and larger. Hydraulic leaks.
Same. Seen .45 ACP ball ammo lodged in a mobile home door frame only a few centimeters before. Was very unimpressed. I prefer mag though.
@@johnc5874 you could have a 50bmg, if they hit you in the right spot with a 22 first, it don't even matter
Modern 9mm is so much better than 15 years ago. I’ve seen the ballistics when LAPD tested a bunch of ammo a few years back.
Exactly, 9mm originally had a horrible reputation of not being able to stop a threat without multiple hits. But technology has improved a ton since then and now the difference between 9mm and .40 is super minimal.
@@bobbygetsbanned604940 went up as well
In combat in Afghanland, I watched a buddy of mine dump 12 rounds of 9mm fmj into a guy until he fell. Ammo choice is huge when it comes to choosing 9 over 40 or 10 or 45cal. The other three have the mass behind them compared to 9. Liberty ammo doesn’t count with their insane 2300fps rounds
Thank you for your service. With respect that can't be a fair comparison, defense loads totally level the playing field vs fmj
That’s why Geneva convention sucks in that aspect. Others don’t abide by those rules
What makes you think 40 or 45 wouldn’t have yielded those same results given the same shot placement?
were you dropped a lot as baby? @Liberty-USA
@Liberty-USAHaji was a terrorist threat. Who cares why!
If he scraped a turd off his shoe, would you ask the specifics?
Im gonna do some testing out of my 40s&w. I am a fan of both 9mm and 40 so my testing will be for which round ill choose as my daily carry. From the testing ive seen so far, 40s&w has the ability to be far more devastating on impact than a 9mm round if the right bullet grain weight/design to powder ratio is used.
9mm is the perfect balance between stopping power and capacity.
I’d have to give that to 10mm. Very similar capacity, often the same or just a couple less, but way more powerful than 9mm. On the flip side tho 10mm is much more expensive and is much harder on the gun. Also has a bit more recoil so follow up shots aren’t going to be quite as fast as with 9mm, but I’m sure enough training can close that gap.
No stopping power in a 9 mm, Have you ever looked into real information? No. Because you’re just echoing someone else’s bad and false beliefs. Get some accurate ballistic information , and never let cost dictate your level of protection. Come on man. Use some common sense thinking. Or die I guess.
Stopping power was a myth sold by John Browning to market the .45 ACP to the US military. Ballistics and lethality are what people falsely associate with "Stopping Power," but no round just stops someone in their tracks with some kind of boxing punch unless it's a huge round or rubber bullet. The actual "punch" you would feel from a round is what the shooter would feel while firing a bolt-action weapon. It's about what the round does when it hits the body that counts. But, in terms of combat efficiency, what matters mostly is going to be shot placement and magazine capacity.
@@ce6654 if you have ever been shot you would completely understand stopping power, That big exit hole is stopping power. What mystical bullshit are you talking about? Your idea of what’s going on is significantly different than reality, but good luck to ya bud. Ahahahahah
@@jassom1270 i have both and agree.
lmfao “the lethality of the calibers” all calibers are deadly unless you’re talking nerf darts.
@@ApocalypseFuddPROVE it!😂
Yup, bullet type matters more than caliber. But don't tell the keyboard warriors that 🤫
@@ApocalypseFuddThats a different story. Caliber makes a difference for rifles. Not pistols. A 55 grain 5.56 round is going to do much more damage than a 230 grain 45 acp round.
Its all about velocity and fragmentation
Used Glock g22 prices are why i choose 40.
Truth
Ammo prices are more important then pistol prices. A couple range trips and you'll be in it more then a new g17
That's why they are cheap though.
I got a police edition 22 gen 4 with 3 mag for 420$
Exactly 😂😂😂. Police special, g22 for 489 plus 3 mags, and it had Glock night sights on it. No brainer.
Yeah but after watching cops fire multiple 9mm into someone and they still run or fight is why it's not my preference.
If you're a good shot, it dont matter what you use!
Damn straight, just make sure you use protection
Until your target is hopped up on narcotics
Ik a dude who shot someone in the chest .22 for defense and they dropped he said
Just because placement matters a lot more, does not mean that caliber does not matter.
@@found6393 caliper doesn't matter...aim does
Its crazy. Before shawn did his own ahow he did some shows with other operators. When they talked about the mp5 thry said they didnt like using them because of how long it takes people to pass and they didnt like hearing it.
That’s an entirely different discussion though. This is 9mm vs 40, not which rifle platform do you prefer.
@@dholiday9315 sorry I failed to mention they said they hated it because of the 9mm the mp5s were chambered in didn't extinguish the enemy quick enough.
@@dustinb1070 no I got ya, wasn’t being argumentative. Just saying that’s what they meant it’s a common argument. If you’re going rifle/long gun/anything not a pistol it’s stupid and pointless in 95% of situations to run a pistol caliber round when you can have a rifle round in the same package.
When speaking strictly pistol/sidearm like they are 9mm just makes sense. If it’s gonna be carried on kit and into battle I’d still say 10mm myself but ammo would be the issue and 9mm is everywhere and east to source.
40 caliber: maximize recoil and decrease capacity for minimal added effectiveness’s
Or no added effectiveness.
Exactly what I was going to say 👌
40 s&w was purely made bc people couldn’t handle 10mm. Even fuckin 357 sig is better than 40
Explain what minimal is? Energy wise there is a fairly noticeable difference
@@Motorboatmike better in what way?
As a Federal Agent I used a Glock-22 close to 26yrs...retired in 2019, now working as a State cop part-time I'm using a Glock-19...I'm digging using the 9mm...
Easier on the hands and the wallet, especially at high round counts and arthritis.
This is only a discussion in the US. We are using 9mm since I joined.
Back in 2005.
We carry the Beretta nine when I join
Buddy turned 2 sentences into a minute long answer
30 caliber+ handgun rounds are statistically the same on human targets, and you’ll double tap (maybe triple) with a pistol further closing any real gaps in performance. In light of that makes sense to carry a higher capacity platform.
He is a Hero and fighting for FREEDOM in his own Mind 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The switch from 9 to .40 was SOLELY due to the poor training and lack of accountability of law enforcement. The FBI has admitted as much YEARS ago.
It was an example of a craftsman blaming his tools for the subpar quality of their work.
The QUANTIFIABLE difference in terminal ballistics between the two are marginal at best, and tend to significantly overlap.
Exactly 🤝
Just put out a full length detail video about the subject check it out!!
@@FrontClipz werd.
Well almost everyone will get follow up shots quicker with 9mm
So do the fbi picks what firearm contracts the navy seals and delta go through ? Just curious since this video and topic have nothing to do with anything you said in the beginning of your statement . The 2nd part of your statement is in an agreement with what the navy seal said which then contradicts the 1st part of your statement lol. I wonder if you realized any of this before you posted it.
"3 magazines of 45 and you're out, isn't nearly as good of a deal as all the 9 mm you can want from your Allies making it" Massad Ayoob
@@billstone21 I KNEW SOMEONE ELSE WOULD'VE ALREADY MADE THE MEOW 😂😂
All the capacity in the world wouldn't matter if you release the slide on an empty chamber.
It doesn't matter how much 9mm is around if it isn't in a magazine that fits your weapon.
It's not 1945 anymore grandpa. They make wider magazines for 40 and 45 now that can carry 12 to 15 rounds per magazine.
@@bud389 wow! I didn't know that! I'll inform the Grandpas at Wilson Combat right away!
9mm is also “organic” you can resupply easily should you need to.
Especially in urban areas.
That’s the main benefit in my opinion. Endless ammo cheat unlocked.
@@nmotionproductions29 definitely true, I have gotten rid of the exotic stuff and only have the common types.
There was a good article written about this many years ago. Military and gov organizations switched to 9mm from 45 because it’s all about bullets on bodies. The bullet will do the job. After some tests, the guys with the 9mm pistols put way more rounds on target faster than those with the 45 caliber. Faster follow up = more bullets on body. The reason I mostly carry 9mm is for the same reason the US organizations switched to it.
When people say I wouldn't carry a 22 at all have no idea that a 22 can drop you from a football field away I personally carry a 9m micro kimber 1911 with extended mag and Lazer grip and custom sights my back up is a 38 snub Taurus just incase the 9 malfunctions
There's a really big gun club a couple hours from where I live. I took my Ruger 10/22 and was able to hit the paper target at 100 yards with crappy iron sights. When I used to teach the rifle and shotgun merit badge to boy scouts we used to show a video of someone shooting through a wooden board with a 22 rifle. A 22 is a lot more than a big BB gun. As long as it’s powerful enough to pass through bone like the sternum and keep on going then it’s powerful enough for self defense. Velocity is the main factor in Kinetic energy (1/2 mass times velocity squared) and common pistol rounds aren’t heavy enough or fast enough to be all that different from each other. Personally I like 9mm because 40 is very snappy in a little gun and I don’t carry an extra magazine so the extra capacity is nice. It’s more important to have something that you’ll actually carry consistently that what it is. A pocket sized pistol in a small caliber is better than a big gun left at home.
"shot placement is key"...
You mentioned .22LR...
I personally knew someone who is no longer with us because of .22LR, from a pistol no less...
So yeah, caliber less important than WHERE it's put...
Practice often, practice seriously, and never underestimate the underdog.
That new 124gr. 9mm "NATO" load is actually relatively potent. Even though its an FMJ, it is flyin down range at between 1250 and 1325 from my glock 19x. Apsolutely not what I expected lol no +p rating that I saw either.
I have some 9mm fmj military surplus loads. They definitely have some ass behind them compared to commercial fmj. Recoil feels very similar to the 147 grain HST’s I normally carry.
I think the Nato and US military stuff is +P
Because shot placement is king.
I think 9mm is the best round for the average shooter because of capacity. Large enough to get the job done, but small enough that a ton can fit it a mag. The average shooter is likely to miss quite a bit in a stressful situation. Its good to have more ammo to send down range. Good vid
Taliban appreciates all that 9mm “we saved money on”
Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11
Is that guy military or law enforcement?
@@perryincorporated2268 supposed to be former military
@@perryincorporated2268He’s a former Delta guy.
@MrBlonde47 was he a pilot or flight attendant
Love it. Finally somebody just said it out loud, the Old German is not just as good. Follow the money! And hey, on a finite budget sound choice on a secondary
I would think the answer is recoil management, new tech in defense ammo lethality, and most importantly capacity. I'd rather have 4 extra rounds if I miss or if I can make 4 more holes in someone.
fully agree
The advantage of 9mm is the cost, cheaper ammo allows for more practice. The studies I’ve seen show all handguns from 32 up to 45acp require 2.2 hits on average to cause a physical stop. Yes 45 and 40 are more powerful than 9mm but is that difference enough to matter. Rounds that hit matter more than anything else, 9mm is effective enough and more practice means a better chance of hitting what you are shooting at. Just my thoughts.
It's amazing how many people think .05 of an inch turns a bullet into the hammer of Thor.
10 mm🤷
@@djstl100well that’s more of a difference than just diameter lol😂
Most ignorant comment so far .
Shoot steel and you'll see for yourself the new Big up and coming thing is 5'7x28 but it's like shooting a 22 that stuff doesn't even move a steel plate but it's going over 2000 feet per second
@@josephatnip2398 That’s because they dumbed it down for civilians and won’t let you get AP rounds
My go to is still 357 . You might say it’s a 6 shot. Well they make 7 and 8 and 12 . Shot I use wad cutters and full metal jackets. Love them .
Between metal jackets & hollow points to prevent over penetration to a possible apt / house what is better?
The old .357 still the king. Three times the gun of the 9mm
@@TerryDozier-f4d Underwood has some pissin hot loads for .357. The 125g hits hard
9mm
Cheaper
Good ballistics
More capacity
Lighter than .45 and .40
.40 S&W can be had for the same price as 9mm, performs better, doesn't kick much more unless you're a weak wristed female, and the guns can be had for dirt cheap.
@@MI2APatriot agreed, I shoot both and prefer my .40 for personal carry
Anyone who thinks ballistics are "good" on any of the big 3 caliber handgun rounds demonstrates they know very little to nothing about what constitutes good ballistics.
@AnAZPatriot Anyone who doesn't understand that when we say "good" that we are referring to handgun caliber ballistics, is probably fresh off the short bus. Obviously, grab a rifle if you can. A handgun is your dead last resort fighting tool.
@AnAZPatriot while I agree with you that most handguns don't have good balistics, keep in mind good is a relative term.
I’m a .40 guy who’s been convinced to focus on 9mm. You can also double stack a magazine in a compact, with 9mm. Extra ammo is even more important, then slightly more lethality …. Plus $0.16 per round vs $0.27 adds up
The great part about this is that I can pick up .40 cal glocks for $250. They're everywhere and they can't give the ammo away. Supply and demand saturated the markets so cost is not an issue
lol - No one is “giving away” .40 ammo..
Regardless of why he thinks they changed, this guy shoots what they give him. In ‘06 the FBI went to .40cal after their testing showed the 9mm of the time lacked the penetration to provide a reasonable chance of incapacitation. Everybody followed suit. Since then, powder has improved and the 9mm can be loaded for more power. Now the FBI and everybody else is switching back to 9mm.
Negative, the 9mm penetrates further than the 40 cal, always has. They switched because 40 cal delivers more kinetic force or knockdown power than the 9mm and because of the lower penetration. The thought process was that it would reduce the possibility of bullets going through walls and hitting unintended targets.
They switched in 97 not 06
The mag capacity should not be a part of the equation. My gen 3 G30S came with 10rd double stack mags but will also accept 13rd mags with mag extensions. It's a bit heavy for it's size but 13 in the mag and 1 in the hole makes for a decent punch chambered in .45acp.
Carry underwood, and level the playing field that much more.
Mag capacity factors into weight & cost, so it’s definitely a consideration and that’s why it is part of the equation. 🤷🏼♂️
@@brianj.simpson4050 bro!!!! Do you understand how much money our government spends on defense? At the end of the day, the costs between 9mm and.45acp is trivial. And as for the weight? We are talking about an 8 or 6 once difference; versus the effectiveness over .45acp versus 9mm. I'll take my chances with .45acp over 9mm.
@@fredlamberg fudd
@@fredlambergif you like .45 so much you should be quick to adopt 10mm as it's ballistic performance is superior in every way, and Glocks come standard at 15 rounds for it
My personal experience was that it had the worst characteristics of both .45 and 9 mm, without an appreciable advantage over either.
Most agencies, mine included, have now gone back to 9 mm.
USSOF guy talks about ammo costs? Really? DOD spends billions on the equipment from the perspective of which 9 mm or even the .40S&W cal handgun or SMG ammo is like a toilet paper or napkins;-))
Also also weight ounces, equal pounds, pounds equal pain
@@FrontClipz 9 mil has a huge adv weight x efficiency x capacity wise!
SF groups decide what to spend the portion of the budget they get, and they only get that money. It does matter
1mm or 50mm. Precision kills, a carpenter never blames the tools
Yea but most carpenters aren't getting shot at. Would you rather hit a nail with an eastswing or a jewelers hammer? Lol
Blame the wood.
It's a figure of speech not comparing Carpenters to military people. Both professions are equaly important
I bought a .40 randomly, they are surprisingly that extra edge that makes the difference. Plus if you get to know “ wound cavity “ science they have a very special signature.
I don't think most people can tell the difference between 9mm and .40 when they get shot in the face.
Is what he was getting at, politely...
I'm surprised the 10mm peeps haven't spoken up...
We're here
10mm all the way!
Nothing needs to be said. Everyone knows 10mm is king. No debateZ
Walk softly, and carry a big stick. Our EDC motto.
Since this video was more a debate on cost and performace in regards to the "big 3" calibers, figured it really doesn't pertain to us. 10mm doesn't really fall into this class of calibers.
Best millimeter
A well placed shot trumps caliber 9/10 times
@slay2525 Not entirely true. Yes if you are fighting a uniformed Army expanding ammo is frowned upon but we do carry and use it. Also the new service pistols were selected with the plans of using "Special Purpose" Ammo.
The lethality difference talk is insane to me. If you hit someone’s off switch. It don’t matter what the fuck you’re carrying lol
I think 380 is super underrated for self-defense, particularly for women and shooters with a small frame. Everyone wants to focus on stopping power, but that's useless if you can't keep that power on target. If someone can put more shots on target with a 380 than a 9mm or a 40 cal, then clearly a 380 is the choice for them.
When getting down to a small enough and light enough gun, .380 is all that really works well.
Those 10oz micros can't be in in 9mm or bigger, the size just can't handle it.
.17 hmr
Been reloading for 9 mill for years, got into both the caliber and the hobby for cost, effectiveness, and fun.
9mm is king for performance and capacity, the FBI also switched back to 9mm after using .40 for a while
Lmao they switched because of cost and the fact their wimpy agents can't handle recoil 😂
@@bigclen5206 lol, no. The ballistics werent there to justify the less carrying capacity. I said performamce AND capacity together, this is WELL KNOWN. You think they give a SHIT about cost??🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
@@jeremystaley319 Lmao gold dots have been around since the 90s with better ballistics than their current carry load you 🤡
King my butt 45 is the true manstopper its a fact! Look at the intense testing especially in ww2 everyone know 45 is more lethal. 9mm is cheap that's it! Why people insist in doing mental gymnastics and delusional it's just as good bs is mind boggling.
@@msgt1942calm down, mam
When 124 grain federal HST 9mm ammo exist, why bother with bigger calibers?????
Bc I can double that with 45 😮
124 grain Federal HST 🤙
147 9mm
@@garymulligan884310mm 155gr XTP at around 1500 fps
@@garymulligan884345 doesnt even outperform 9mm it just doesnt it dont go through more shit or anything its just a fat slow round i love the 45 but my god if u want a powerhouse 10mm beats most
I always carried a 45acp and went over to 9mm for my main carry and am much happier.
Cons for 45acp daily carry ? Freshly 21 and am unsure to go with 9 or 45 for daily carry
I switched from G30 .45acp to G26 9mm 15yrs ago, mainly due to the weight. The G26 slide is much lighter and the backup 15rd G19 mag w/ 124gr +p is much lighter than the backup G21 mag w/ 13rds of 230gr .45's.
There is a lot I like about .45acp and the G30 is a sweet shooter, but I am more comfortable carrying the lighter G26.
@trevorbowman1391 larger frame, heavier gun, less capacity, both will kill just the same. I went from a 1911 to a S&W.
@@trevorbowman13919mm is the move for daily carry. It’s lighter, just as lethal, cheaper, easier to shoot. For a home only bedside gun, .45 is not a bad choice
Really small micro guns are best in 9mm.
Somone new to carrying will be much more comfortable with a smaller gun.
Unless you have a crap ton of disposable income, and most 21 year olds do not, you won't be shooting very much .45 acp. It's expensive.
So I’ve been confused for home defense. I carry and have for home defense .45 acp because I have been reading/hearing that the stopping power of the bullet won’t penetrate walls as easily so if I miss I’m less likely to hit someone in a home nearby whereas a 9mm is small and travels faster so it would be easier for it to go through walls and hit someone; or go through a person and hit someone. I’m not completely sure about this. What do you guys think?
When choosing a tool that my life will depend on, cost savings never comes into play.
But u cant train as much if it expensive, so 9 takes the w yet again
Capacity does
They are shooting thousands of rounds
@@Gfkd2001 It's nice having lots of ammo in the gun...but that's not an excuse to 'spray and pray' like we see so many cop shoots doing. Being smaller and lighter means you can carry more for the same loadout which is always an advantage so long as the effectiveness isn't being compromised.