I don’t understand why Delta gets compared to regular SEALs so often. Delta is tier 1. Only DEVGRU SEALs are tier 1, the rest are tier 2. The comparison should be delta vs devgru
You know why. When you’re on top you don’t throw rocks at the ones below they throw rocks at the throne. The fact that this guy said that there are more SEALs than SF is laughable.
@@gregc3799 there are more seals than Delta. They have 8 active duty teams, 2 SDVT teams, and 3 special boat teams. Plus they have reserve seals, swcc and support personnel as well. Yes, there are 5 active duty SF groups and 2 NG groups as well and more people in general in that are in SF because they also have a much larger, broader mission set, but Delta is very small and they recruit from every branch. Devgru is about the same size as Delta. The Army is also larger than the Navy as well.
Yes, but Delta is the only group that can operate completely on their own. They have all of their support structure in-house. No other unit has that to include ANY SEAL unit. ua-cam.com/users/shortsXe2xRr4lBvo
The US Army has 3 tier 1 units, SF Group's Combat Action Group CAG/Operational Detachment DELTA, The Ranger Recon Company RRC, and Intelligence Special Activity group ISA. The Navy only has 1 tier 1 unit, DEVGRU/team 6.
@@kto0312no. They aren’t. Members of team 6 try out for Delta, members of Delta NEVER try out for team 6. Delta is the best of the best and by a long shot. This is an objective fact.
@@andrewbruce7601 because to join devgru, you have to be s seal, which means doing buds. Seals can go to delta easily, but delta cant go to devgru, without doing buds first! Its not that hard!
@@kto0312 ST6 work as a team, where Delta almost always work alone or randomly attach to a team on the same mission for the time being. you tell me who's better.
@@andrewbruce7601 DEVGRU only recruits from the “normal” seals. A Delta guy by definition is unable to apply to DEVGRU. Delta recruits from every where including regular infantry.
In middle and high school I would go to a friends house to play video games. Occasionally I would see his dad who was almost never home. But when he was that man's presence was so unsettling. He was very intelligent and well spoken but said very little. The man just seemed hardened by something. It's hard to convey but to this day there hasn't been another man who has given me that feeling. Twenty years later while out to dinner with the same friend he mentioned in passing that his dad was Delta.
@@CallUrDrop 6 of 1/2 dozen of the other.. bottom line is irrespective of what happened in high school when your friend and his dad this idiot should not be speaking about the unit it's training its tactics its capabilities its vetting and he all claims that he's revealing absolutely nothing about the units capability but he talks hours upon hours upon hours on every podcast he can find. You say different friend I say different generation. I'm 20 years older than this idiot
I'm South African so I am not biased. None of the American special forces are the best. Look at the SAS and Israel for the best special forces. America win a war with numbers and money 🖕
Delta is a different cat. I Served in LE with Rangers from Ft. Lewis in my squad. One of them they said, was in and out of “the unit “ during his military service. Of course the fella they were talking about never said he was. While he worked in the traffic division writing tickets and chasing DUI’s all evening, the SWAT team would have him go on their building entries with them. This was a big city and these were weekly or more occurrences. I’m a decent shot, fairly competent at my job, but looked and felt like a ten year old Cub Scout when I watched him in action. You would have to see him on the firearms range to believe what you were seeing. He would play with his issued pistol and shoot faster and more accurate than all of us, including the ex Rangers, shooting it upside down. You really don’t want a couple of those guys coming for you, unless you are an American hostage. Respect.
I would say that is more of the case with the Navy Seals. I find them to be way more impressive after service you have guys like David Goggins - ultra-athelete in everything, John Kim - navy seal doctor astronaut, Chris Ring - navy seal who swims entire Mississippi River, Andy Stumpf - navy seal who is wingsuit world record holder
Not all special operations soldiers are like world class athletes. But there are guys within the special operations units that are or are very close to world class athletes. A majority of them who are not like world class athletes are in very very good cardio-endurance shape and have a never quit attitude. Alot of them who are not super athletes just have a strong never quit mentality.
Be in great shape is a given... people think too much about that...the tactics & skillset is the focus... running a 4 min mile doesn't mean shit if you can't shoot & maneuver
@@jarraandyftm John Wayne never served in real life. Every shot fired at him was a blank, and he wore makeup for every war scene he was in. Biggest phony ever.
After my late husband attended Tulane Law School he enlisted in the Army in 1969. After boot camp he was trained in intelligence & became a Phoenix Advisor n Vietnam which worked with the CIA. He lived with the Vietnamese who were his counterparts. He wrote a book 30 years later based on his letters sent home….He had 2 brown bags full of letters, photos he took,propaganda, & various souvenirs he collected. The Phoenix program, which lasted from 1967 to 1972, was designed to identify and destroy the Viet Cong (VC) via infiltration, assassination, torture, capture, counter-terrorism, and interrogation. The CIA described it as "a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy the political infrastructure of the Viet Cong."
Hello @txkitkat1307. My father was a south vietnamese soldier recruited into special ops training by the CIA. They would fly him out into Laos and Cambodia where his team would be dropped off wearing VC clothing and AK's. Most of their missions involved scouting VC supply lines and finding VC locations to coordinate and identify for bombing, as well as going after HV targets. He was part of the STRATA teams. I wonder if your husband may have worked with him. Unfortunately like your husband, he is no longer with us. My condolences on your loss.
My best friend/mentor was a 15 year U.S. Navy Seal and he was always unassuming and would not throw his business of being one in his past around. He was always the constant professional and a great man. Never compared his skills to other branches of skilled warriors. Taught me how to be a real man, get things done and always be of service. Great human being, I miss him dearly.
A reporter that was embedded with a CAG unit said this about them. She was surprised at how smart each operator was. For a full on assault unit that uses brute force, the thing that stood out to her the most is how smart and surgical each operator was. So he nailed it when he said delta operators use their brains as well even being a full on assault unit. That right there should tell u how scary CAG really is. When u think of full on assault u think straight brute force action but these guys do it surgically as well. I believe him when he said The CIA has their own unit just as equal because most of those guys are former delta. CIA is a scary agency itself so to have a unit equal to CAG, that sounds even scarier because they most likely have even less oversight and their ROE is even more loose.
@@ToniMihelcic no no. Correction green berets train other forces. CIA will topple other countries govt for the benefit of America. They don’t train forces, they pay off warlords and have an agenda. CIA is more of a psy ops operation. They deal with the scariest people around the world n make sure they keep it in line. Look at every cartel leader that was once known. They let their ego get to their heads thinking they are above the agency and cause too much noise, they all end up in the US at the ADX supermax prison. Corrrection again, have u ever seen 12 strong? If u have remember that CIA spook that was running around Afghanistan with the bag full of money to hand to different warlords. That was only one guy that guy has some big balls. I read up on that that guy n he was actually a real person and he ended up dying.
@@JamesMckenzie-q1z ya the show lioness is giving me a little brief idea of what is it like. I know I know it’s Hollywood and I’m sure there isn’t a women such as Joe in charge. The lioness program was real but to my knowledge they certainly go after n hit hard targets. They were used mostly during the time of OIF AND OEF when CIA needed women for body search suspected insurgence, or terrorist
Regimental Reconnissance Company (RRC) = Tier 1 Delta Force= Tier 1 Navy Seal Team 6 DEVGRU = Tier 1 ISA= Tier 1 24th STS = Tier1 Navy Seal = Tier 2 Green Beret = Tier 2 Ranger 75th = Tier 2 Marcsoc = Tier 2 UK SAS = US Delta Force UK SBS =US DEVGRU UK E-Squadron = US CIA SAC CIA Special Activities Center are all ex Tier 1 with aditional espionage training.
What weird is Green Berets is like the gateway between tier 1 and tier 2. From what I heard, they can be assigned to do some very top secret tier 1 stuff. Not always but sometimes.
At the end of the day, it's the E-4 Mafia that you actually need to be afraid of... The most crafty motherfuckers out there. And yes, they pull from every branch too. Mic drop.
I had a couple show up to our comm compound in Afghanistan for some stuff. Two of them came through the front door, and the other one came in through the back door at the same time. The back door was supposed to be locked. I'm sure somebody just left it cracked open or something, but I like to believe he ninja spooked his way into the building lol. They were nice guys, though. Very thankful for what we were helping them out with. I guess I also can't confirm who they actually belonged to. CIA, Delta, or whoever. They referred to themselves as OGA, which just means Other Government Agency lmao.
I recently watched some videos with seals in a little physical competition with construction workers. I couldn't put my finger on what I was seeing at the time, but yeah that pretty much summed up what I was sensing.
This guy is suspect. I was in the Marines. Everyone knew all seal teams are not the same. Everyone in the military knew Seal team 6 are on the same tier as Delta Force
@@kto0312that doesn’t even make any sense. Why would they leave seal team 6 to go to delta if that was the case. This isn’t a movie. Don’t believe everything you hear
What he is saying is 100% true, Delta guys are never gonna be known as "operators" when you see them. They blend in and that is the real scary part if you actually get to meet them, they are also some of the nicest people you will meet.
@@shanecoolen3986 I gather he's referring to the fact that 6 only recruits from within the Seal community. Delta and the Paramilitary recruit the right people across any branch.
@@dominicsanchez2972it’s silly to compare them at all. They have different specialties and are the best in their respective areas. Devgru will be the best at certain missions, delta other missions. That’s why they have different operational functions to begin with. It’s childish to compare them
He's generalizing because he doesn't have any direct experience with them in action. SEAL they don't care about anything or anyone that isn't a seal. Essentially they didn't give him the time of day. GB or Delta talked to the guy because they dont trust him.
Brit guy here, who has had a USSF team attached to us in Afghan. 3 of them were “ normal” team guys, 1 of them was Delta. it didn’t take long to work out which one it was. No jive talk, no grab assing, no boasting. He was a fucking grafter, always getting involved with our stuff….. the others always had something to say! Yeah, also worked with UKSF at that time, SBS were a lot like the Delta guy, SAS a lot more standoffish and fuckin weird! But, both were at the Delta guys calibre easily 👍🏻
I wouldn't believe a damn word Andrew says and this is precisely why. SEAL Team Six is Tier 1 just like Delta Force the big difference being the SEALs ability to hit targets on the water as well as on land. The only Navy SEAL to ever try out for Delta successfully made it through the Delta Force pipeline. You also have the fact it was SEAL Team Six that killed HVT 1 (bin laden) not delta Force. Both units are amazing and we are very lucky to have the best two Tier 1 units in the world.
Yeah and what u haven't heard because they don't talk delta took out the highest ranking isis leaders while back there new leadership is entirely different people they also hunted Saddam hussian
@Harry-Murphy yeah that's really cute but the most wanted terrorist in history was killed by the US Navy SEALs not the Delta. Both units are fantastic but the SEALs have an outstanding record of success.
We had guys from AFSOC who would transfer up to Ft Bragg and work exclusively with JSOC, which is where the Joint aspect of these operations and operatives come in.
@@duaneacarterii3rd batt here 🖐🏽 from 2004 to 2010. Worked with both. Devgru is akin to a championship level college football team - delta is akin to a nfl Super Bowl winning team. Was in a stack once when they cleared a house. Let’s just say you would have to see it to believe it.👌🏾
@@Bravefit You have Army bias and thats ok. Operationally you will not be able to tell the difference between either unit. 3rd batt would be considered a college team if anything. There is a reason DEVGRU had operational control of afghanistan and delta had iraq. They are equal and in recent year DEVGRU has been unmatched specifically in cqc
@scottkelly7051 you know that 24thSTS rescues SEALs and attaches to Delta and DEVGRU squads, right? They're literally SEAL-level operators that are also Nationally Registered Paramedics.
@@CertifiedClapaholictheyre combat support, by definition...you mentioned 24th in response to a generic PJ comment. Thats like justifying high school football with the NFL
True , they should understand that there are 10 active duty SEAL teams , officially there is no SEAL team 6 , it’s just named as DEVGRU or Task Force Blue . Not all SEAL teams are Tier 1 but I wouldn’t be crazy enough to up against them either .
The Delta vs. Seal pipeline’s are completely different. Generally, Delta applicants are “seasoned combat infantryman” who have checked multiple boxes (75th RR, SF, etc.) in their quest to be amongst the elite. Seal applicants (non combat infantrymen) check the BUDS box and then suck themselves off for the rest of their career.
You don't compare tier 1 to tier 2. Delta and Devgru are both tier 1 and are all seasoned Special Forces operators. You wouldn't make it to Army Basic training...LOL
@@WARCHILD1982 tell him thanks but I already did my defending for the country. I joined the military @ 18 years old more than 30 years ago. It's nice if the younger generation returns the favor.
@@WanderingPassports TIER 1 means the amount of money and resources a unit gets. Air Force Tier 1 (24TH) , Navy Tier 1 (ST6) , Army Tier 1 (Delta) fall all under JSOC , that's their command and who they report to and take orders from. ISA is their intelligence gathering. JSOC in 2005, during the war made RRC Ranger part of their command. Everybody in JSOC are Tier 1. JSOC have all these knives at their disposal and they use all of them as the see fit. In the next war, depending of the enemy and terrain, JSOC will stay the same or expand or change.
Who's the most important on an F-1 racing team? The driver, the engineers, the strategist, the fueler, or the tire changers? None! It's the team as a whole.
Max must be a POG. And thats ok, bc its true, the shooters need to get their ammo and food so someone needs to bring it to them, and do all the paperwork, transportation, logistics, etc. Its not just the fighters doing the killing and dying for the fight, but its everyone supporting their effort. That about right Max?
@@hianxi80 Ngược lại thì đúng hơn, bạn của tôi ạ. 11B '67-'70. I was fortunate enough to have pulled KP 3 times and saw how complicated the logistics of just feeding us in Basic and AIT were. Imagine supporting the whole military effort around the world, including troops in the field, must have been. (And no, I didn't get sent to Vietnam. They gave us phrase books for no good reason. I needed a Japanese phrase book on Okinawa.)
You can't tell how good an individual or unit is by talking to them. You can interview them, chat with them, ask them for stories, but you don't know how good they are or what they really can do or how they are under fire. You'd have to see that. By all means have interviews and shows and podcasts, etc. But the proof is in the action. And the best talkers with the most charisma are often not the best operatives, warriors, fighters, etc.
I mean I know they’ve gained a lot of attention in the media, but you still gotta include DEVGRU in there. They’re both above a standard SEAL team for sure, but DEVGRU is still on pretty equal footing with those 2, maybe even surpassing them when it comes to operating in the water. I always thought comparing just SEALS in general (and not DEVGRU specifically) to Delta was dumb. Its like comparing Rangers and Green Berets to them.
My brother was Sr Colonel in Air Force Intelligence and worked with alot of US operators. He never told me ANYTHING about the people and projects hes worked on. The one thing he did tell me is CIA operatives are the scariest MoFos on the planet. Alot arent even "on the books", smart as hell and very highly trained. He said if you live in a foreign country and two guys with hiking boots, khakis and a polo shirt show up at your house and tell you to come with them, just know theres 20 other people right there.
DEVGRU is the premiere da unit in the navy and mostly comprised of SEALS with years of experience while Navy SEALS are typically a tier 2 asset in the US DOD compared to the army SMU. Where as in CIA paramilitary are comprised to JSOC and SOCOM operators
and to add to that, Navy Seals have so many teams from team 1 to team 10 and so on. Where as in DEVGRU (Seal Team 6) has 4 assault squadrons. This is the only thing I know. These units are kept in secrecy and we don't know much about them especially DEVGRU.
It's like comparing a hammer to pliers... They are not in competition with each other. They complement each other. It's a specialized unit that is meant to do specific things.
Think about it, Shawn has interviewed a lot of former CAG operators and they respect him for a reason. I’m sure Shawn is very proud of being a seal but he himself knows that CAG is the cream of the crop when it comes to tier 1
I've been doing martial arts for 31 years, and I get a lot of opportunities to train with soldiers from Special Ops units. Some of my teachers are Special Ops during the Vietnam Era. When I was younger, I used to think Special Ops guys were awesome, and my dream most of my life was to be a Navy SEAL, but I was not eligible to join because of my physical disability. Here's the truth of what I've discovered from training with these guys, so there is a difference from the Vietnam Era Special Ops and modern-day Special Ops. The Vietnam Era Special Ops is more knowledge based in that everything is hands-on, and they had to learn everything without the aid of technology. Now, from working with and training with modern Special Ops personnel, I found out that they are more technological based. These two eras of operators are two different types of beast. The truth be told, I came to realize that modern Special Ops doesn't know that much outside of firearm, and it really blows me away. What's happening is that they are so reliant on technology that they don't need the skills that the Vietnam Vets needed. I have had many teachers from the Vietnam Era and those guys are scary. However, I don't get the same impression from the newer Special Ops guys.
I’m sorry but no disrespect I just don’t think you’re really fully qualified to make that assessment or know what you’re talking about from your one or two experiences, just based on what you said, shows you don’t know BECUASE you are simply wrong. You are right about Vietnam era having less technology yes that is correct. But analog things are still taught and trained , just so you know. But I’m sorry you’re still simply not qualified to make that assessment
@@noalane3626 I'm friend's with 5 2nd Battalion Army Rangers from the 75th, and trained by a Vietnam Vet from the 75th for 13 years until his death in 2019. I was also trained by a Sergeant Major from 5th Group Special Forces in precision rifle. Currently I have an instructor from SEAL Team 4. My families first teacher was a Vietnam Vet who was a Combat Controller. What I'm telling you is coming from the new Army Rangers that I know because I'm the one ending up training them in hand combat. So, personally I don't care what you think.
@@justinquaid2610 always in my life I know guys like you who claim to know people they probably don’t or who they know so so inexperienced and then claim to teach martial arts to these guys , you try to justify your existence and our yourself on the same level as them in some capacity , always man always theirs dudes like you trying to leach on someone else’s fame and accomplishments. Be your own man, again you’re completely unqualified to make Ana assessment even less based on who you say you know so just stop talking
@@justinquaid2610all you're talking about is second hand information, a friend of mine, a person who I trained with, the brother that commented is right, you're not like us, you'll never be SF, so you'll never be like us, you're not qualified to talk about this, respectfully, have a good one bro.
@@mr.i5310 With respect, but your logic is tantamount to saying that doctors are not qualified to talk about cancer because they're not cancer patients, which is not accurate. The same logic applies here. While he may not be special forces, he has spent a significant amount of time with them to be able to make a qualified assessment.
My father was in the special forces and I asked him about a-battle in Vietnam and after he told me that the enemy would move there own dead 💀 to use as a barrier in a 2 day battle wave after wave I never asked him about combat again.
@@ToniMihelcic They are fully certified Air Traffic Controllers, JTAC, FreeFall, Breaching, Demo, SERE, Combat medicine, Combat Diver, plus additional training. A Delta Operator said the DOD spends more money to train a CCT than a Delta Operator or Navy Seal. Their training pipeline can be 2 years and 5 months long in terms of what is unclassified. I cannot speak for any other classified Tier one units.
@@ArmoredGauntlet Thats mostly because of the air traffic controlling. They are highly trained, but not hardly asskill as a CAG/Seal operator in terms of weapons and tactics.
The reason that Seal Team Six got the mission was that they were assigned to the Afghanistan theatre of operations and Delta was responsible for the other regions in the Middle East.
@@deathfire096 You don't see the majority of Delta or any covert or clandestine operators. You see a handful. Most Delta i promise you are silent professionals the rest of their days.
@@hieronimusrexx9203 They are all over social media. I count like 15 so far. Even the Colonel that started Delta, Colonel Beckwith wrote books for the public. Silent my A$$. You want me to name them? They are all on social media.
Larry K Allan. Former CSM 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment went to 22 SAS on secondment and passed UKSF selection and was badged.....and served in the Regiment for 3 years
@@NN-oz6rr No. Their mission is supplementary to what Delta or ST6 do. Recruiting from either doesn't benefit TFO. They primarily recruit from agency and branch intel.
When I was a kid, my Scoutmaster was a Green Beret officer. He was the kindest, most easygoing guy in the world, but nothing scared him, and nobody screwed around with him. He was like a Jedi, and I really wanted to be like him when I grew up.
The Activity is something different. He doesn't mention Activity at all here since it's the only classified group out of all Tier 1 groups. The Activity is also called "Intelligence Support Activity" which is different from the CIA paramilitary Andrew Bustamante is talking here which is called "Special Activities Center". Joe Kent worked in both and he said the most capable people worked in the Activity and the most badass people in terms of pure passion for action worked in the CIA paramilitary that Andrew Bustamante mentioned previously
@@lukabozic5 But who does the SAC (Ground Branch)recruit from..Top tier operators from Top tier units and then they go through training at Langley, one would guess. I'm just adding my two pennies, but doesn't operators from the ISA go through similar training in terms of tradecraft the same way as field intelligence officers does within the CIA. I'm all ears to inform me within the comment section.
I’m noticing in a lot of these videos the person is speaking about seals in general and NOT DEVGRU in particular. “Normal” seals are on par with the 75th rangers and green berets and are not a tier 1 group. DEVGRU on the other hand is a tier 1 group just like Delta Force and a very different creature from the “normal” seals
Without 11B units no war is won. We do so much more than people even realize specially units like mine that are trained have a specialty and a tab above unit patch. Mountain Warfare is what we do every day Even Tier 1 guys have to come to our unit and do two phases to get the Ram's Head badge and be able to do what our training is as standard. We had night raids into villages in Afghanistan PAK border and deal with same crap the rest do except our deployments are much longer as well. With less air assets and less support we have dealt Taliban some of the worse defeats in Paktiya province. Leave at that. Yes Tier1 have more training and a lot more funds and pick the smartest while some off us smart guys have to stay in Infantry just to keep the others in check.) It's frustrating but there is something about Infantry that nothing else comes close to. We are the ones kicking in the doors, clearing villages and our missions going after bad guys is based on what support we have usually a crapy MRAP's or pick up trucks and occasional double rotor death coffin heard miles away. Most of the time its long marches up the mountains and under heavy packs. Great interview. We don't have ego problems as much and as Croatian born I think I was the only one who was mature and ready for what we saw other than Rangers guys we had with us.
Yeah, it sounds like he was comparing white side seals to Delta. I'm surprised when he said there's not a lot of depth to seals. There's smart and less intelligent seals just like any other organization.
@brockmorris8764 no because they operate on different tiers. He's not comparing the same type of warrior. It would be one thing if he was comparing devgru to delta but he wasn't.
You don't understand the role of various branches on a massive grand strategy scale..If you did, you'd know why seals cannot be the best. It's not their role. They're demolitions experts for naval warfare and taking over ports and such. They're not a main battlefield element. Mad weapons skills are not their main focus. Same goes for green berets. They train local forces, languages, human skills, and high intelligence is their focus, not even combat. For the best of the best, as he said, they select people for heavy combat specialization roles.
Andrew where does HRT rank amongst these top tier units. From what I understand 1.Delta 2.GB 3. ST6 It's interesting to hear this from someone who was no dog in the fight.
I question the veracity of this guy because not all Navy seal teams are the same. Example everyone in the military ( I was in the Marines) knows Seal team 6 are on the same level (tier) as Delta Force.
Maybe the same tier but not the same level. When I went to special forces back in the 60s, I already had a tour in Vietnam. The standards had already been lowered because of attrition. You couldn't walk in off the street and sign up for special forces. You had to have three years of service to begin with, height requirement, second language.
Those are fresh from buds and in The lower tiers of the S.E.A.L.S. Now DEVGRU you won't get them young, they need time to grow into the Tier 1 phase of the NS.
SEAL as an overall is a larger organization that has always kind of focused on anti-terror direct action assault. Whereas Devgru (SEAL-6), Delta, etc. are smaller Tier-1 groups that focus on being able to infiltrate and force multiply when needed. Even Devgru does a lot of direct action work. Think of most other SEAL teams as sort of a step up from your standard Airborne Ranger troops with more technical training. At least that's the way they always described it to me whenever we went out to do ops.
The guys a case officer and has legit no idea what he’s talking about with Tier 1 operations units. The inability to decipher between Seal Team 6 and the rest of the Seal teams is an immediate red flag and disqualification. Delta and Seal Team 6 are the premier direct action units in the US Military and are equal peers. One has absolute expertise on land, the other in maritime environments to put it very simply. Both are the only units in the US Military whose primary mission set includes Hostage Rescue.
Shout out to SFC Doud, my platoon sergeant when I was in 3/502nd. A Delta operator, who did indeed looked like a school teacher. The thing I remember most about him was how he came up with simple solutions, to difficult problems. The other thing was how much disdain he had for the cadets from West Point that they sent to Ft Campbell for training each summer.
I have absolutely felt this fear from green berets! I love my green berets, but one day that realization just hit me like a truck. Also, SEALS can be extremely personable, too. 😅 Sidenote: this thumbnail is super freakin' cool because I had never seen the special activities tab and I really got to compare it to the SEAL and Delta tabs. Kudos!
It's interesting how combat controllers aren't technically Tier-1, but 90-95% of guys who try out fail; same rate as Delta. I always wondered why that one is so march harder to earn.
@@Durzo1259 Let me tell you why. CCT members go through a much tougher technical training process - Air Traffic Control School -along with the three phases of training. However, I was old school, going into the career field in 1968. Almost all the courses were US Army, including Ranger School. We had a wash-out rate of 88% in those days. I was an instructor years later when the CCT program gained fame and the training was reorganized.
I'm curious how much work does the CIA do with the SAS/SBS. I'm always hear in on YT. That they do quite a few operations is this true if so can you talk about it.
Something that you don’t hear a lot about is, young recruits can go to seal training. You can’t go to delta selection unless you’re an E6 or above. The solders attending delta selection are typically much more seasoned and have a proven track record. Also, when I was at bragg, seals would come train under delta at the compound. Lastly, delta is 100% self sustained and deployable on their own. Seals need the support of jsoc to deploy. There really isn’t a comparison. It’s two different tiers. True with the funding as well.
I don’t understand why Delta gets compared to regular SEALs so often. Delta is tier 1. Only DEVGRU SEALs are tier 1, the rest are tier 2. The comparison should be delta vs devgru
Even then, Delta appear to be even better
No comparison. Delta is hands down the best.
You know why. When you’re on top you don’t throw rocks at the ones below they throw rocks at the throne. The fact that this guy said that there are more SEALs than SF is laughable.
@@gregc3799 there are more seals than Delta. They have 8 active duty teams, 2 SDVT teams, and 3 special boat teams. Plus they have reserve seals, swcc and support personnel as well. Yes, there are 5 active duty SF groups and 2 NG groups as well and more people in general in that are in SF because they also have a much larger, broader mission set, but Delta is very small and they recruit from every branch. Devgru is about the same size as Delta. The Army is also larger than the Navy as well.
Yes, but Delta is the only group that can operate completely on their own. They have all of their support structure in-house. No other unit has that to include ANY SEAL unit. ua-cam.com/users/shortsXe2xRr4lBvo
Delta operator explained it this way no Delta operators dreams to be a SEAL
@@lostspecter2 ummm you do realize a Seal team 6 breezed through Delta's 6 month school..... The Seals are built different.
@@Sub-Zero-392 Seal Team 6 (DEVGRU) is the navy tier 1 unit. They're not simply SEALs, they're the navy equivalent of Delta Force.
@martidavid1519 no Buddy they're literally US Navy SEALs with tier 1 training and skills.
@@Sub-Zero-392 DEVGRU are under JSOC along with Delta, and 24th Special Tactics Squadron. They're a completely different unit to regular navy SEALs
@@martidavid1519 🤦 you must be playing dumb because nobody is this dense.
The US Army has 3 tier 1 units, SF Group's Combat Action Group CAG/Operational Detachment DELTA, The Ranger Recon Company RRC, and Intelligence Special Activity group ISA. The Navy only has 1 tier 1 unit, DEVGRU/team 6.
Yet we hear about Navy SEALs more than any other group.
“Kids, kids, none of you are my favorite, I love you all equally!”
(Whispers to US Army Delta Force: “It’s you. And by a LOT.”)
Seal team 6 are are in the same tier as Delta Force. If you were never in the military you will never know this. I was.
@@kto0312no. They aren’t. Members of team 6 try out for Delta, members of Delta NEVER try out for team 6. Delta is the best of the best and by a long shot. This is an objective fact.
@@andrewbruce7601 because to join devgru, you have to be s seal, which means doing buds. Seals can go to delta easily, but delta cant go to devgru, without doing buds first! Its not that hard!
@@kto0312 ST6 work as a team, where Delta almost always work alone or randomly attach to a team on the same mission for the time being. you tell me who's better.
@@andrewbruce7601 DEVGRU only recruits from the “normal” seals. A Delta guy by definition is unable to apply to DEVGRU.
Delta recruits from every where including regular infantry.
In middle and high school I would go to a friends house to play video games. Occasionally I would see his dad who was almost never home. But when he was that man's presence was so unsettling. He was very intelligent and well spoken but said very little. The man just seemed hardened by something. It's hard to convey but to this day there hasn't been another man who has given me that feeling. Twenty years later while out to dinner with the same friend he mentioned in passing that his dad was Delta.
Interesting story man but friends.. also do lie.
@@tailwind12 Well then you and I define friend differently.
@@CallUrDrop 6 of 1/2 dozen of the other.. bottom line is irrespective of what happened in high school when your friend and his dad this idiot should not be speaking about the unit it's training its tactics its capabilities its vetting and he all claims that he's revealing absolutely nothing about the units capability but he talks hours upon hours upon hours on every podcast he can find.
You say different friend I say different generation. I'm 20 years older than this idiot
I'm South African so I am not biased. None of the American special forces are the best. Look at the SAS and Israel for the best special forces. America win a war with numbers and money 🖕
Sounds like you might have a man crush
Delta is a different cat. I Served in LE with Rangers from Ft. Lewis in my squad. One of them they said, was in and out of “the unit “ during his military service. Of course the fella they were talking about never said he was. While he worked in the traffic division writing tickets and chasing DUI’s all evening, the SWAT team would have him go on their building entries with them. This was a big city and these were weekly or more occurrences. I’m a decent shot, fairly competent at my job, but looked and felt like a ten year old Cub Scout when I watched him in action. You would have to see him on the firearms range to believe what you were seeing. He would play with his issued pistol and shoot faster and more accurate than all of us, including the ex Rangers, shooting it upside down. You really don’t want a couple of those guys coming for you, unless you are an American hostage. Respect.
you work with Devgru?
@@deathfire096 No
@@LaviniaTortuga DEVGRU is Tier 1 as Delta. You are not chosen to kill OBL if you are not elite.
@@deathfire096 Tora Bora 14 Dec 2001
@@BryanWiedeman and?
When you meet a seal he tries to sell you his book , but you will Walk past a delta operator and you won't know
Except when he breathes, out of his mouth.
The biggest spec ops braggart with the biggest ego is Dale Comstock. A Delta guy.
@@kevinl8440 Pretty close between him and Rob O'Neil. Jocko could also give him a run for his money.
@@Frogman125 Except Rob O'Neil actually has hundreds of missions to his name. Comstock was a 90s guy who didn't do anything.
every say this to a seals face
It’s not just that Delta operators are smart, they’re also world-class athletes.
I would say that is more of the case with the Navy Seals. I find them to be way more impressive after service you have guys like David Goggins - ultra-athelete in everything, John Kim - navy seal doctor astronaut, Chris Ring - navy seal who swims entire Mississippi River, Andy Stumpf - navy seal who is wingsuit world record holder
@@didyouknowamazingfacts2790yeah wingsuit record holder okay😂😂😂
Not all special operations soldiers are like world class athletes. But there are guys within the special operations units that are or are very close to world class athletes. A majority of them who are not like world class athletes are in very very good cardio-endurance shape and have a never quit attitude. Alot of them who are not super athletes just have a strong never quit mentality.
Be in great shape is a given... people think too much about that...the tactics & skillset is the focus... running a 4 min mile doesn't mean shit if you can't shoot & maneuver
@@didyouknowamazingfacts2790😂
😮🥒👈🤣"The famous Seal's I know"
I remember The Green Berets from Vietnam. They were badass.
Since 1952 they've been...
@@nanabyrd4855 msgt Roy Benavides the real Rambo
@@saullopez3073john wayne, what a man.
@@jarraandyftm John Wayne never served in real life. Every shot fired at him was a blank, and he wore makeup for every war scene he was in. Biggest phony ever.
53rd and 3rd
After my late husband attended Tulane Law School he enlisted in the Army in 1969. After boot camp he was trained in intelligence & became a Phoenix Advisor n Vietnam which worked with the CIA.
He lived with the Vietnamese who were his counterparts.
He wrote a book 30 years later based on his letters sent home….He had 2 brown bags full of letters, photos he took,propaganda, & various souvenirs he collected.
The Phoenix program, which lasted from 1967 to 1972, was designed to identify and destroy the Viet Cong (VC) via infiltration, assassination, torture, capture, counter-terrorism, and interrogation. The CIA described it as "a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy the political infrastructure of the Viet Cong."
@@txkitkat1307 🫡 Salute to your late husband...he was doing some real work..my Uncle was a Operation White Star guy
"boot camp is Marines and Navy" good for him
@@markcurrier8362 easy mistake for a wife...
Hello @txkitkat1307. My father was a south vietnamese soldier recruited into special ops training by the CIA. They would fly him out into Laos and Cambodia where his team would be dropped off wearing VC clothing and AK's. Most of their missions involved scouting VC supply lines and finding VC locations to coordinate and identify for bombing, as well as going after HV targets. He was part of the STRATA teams. I wonder if your husband may have worked with him. Unfortunately like your husband, he is no longer with us. My condolences on your loss.
@@Frank-uw5xq My father was in Operation Hotfoot. Very similar to White Star.
My best friend/mentor was a 15 year U.S. Navy Seal and he was always unassuming and would not throw his business of being one in his past around. He was always the constant professional and a great man. Never compared his skills to other branches of skilled warriors. Taught me how to be a real man, get things done and always be of service. Great human being, I miss him dearly.
A reporter that was embedded with a CAG unit said this about them. She was surprised at how smart each operator was. For a full on assault unit that uses brute force, the thing that stood out to her the most is how smart and surgical each operator was. So he nailed it when he said delta operators use their brains as well even being a full on assault unit. That right there should tell u how scary CAG really is. When u think of full on assault u think straight brute force action but these guys do it surgically as well. I believe him when he said The CIA has their own unit just as equal because most of those guys are former delta. CIA is a scary agency itself so to have a unit equal to CAG, that sounds even scarier because they most likely have even less oversight and their ROE is even more loose.
@@ToniMihelcic no no. Correction green berets train other forces. CIA will topple other countries govt for the benefit of America. They don’t train forces, they pay off warlords and have an agenda. CIA is more of a psy ops operation. They deal with the scariest people around the world n make sure they keep it in line. Look at every cartel leader that was once known. They let their ego get to their heads thinking they are above the agency and cause too much noise, they all end up in the US at the ADX supermax prison. Corrrection again, have u ever seen 12 strong? If u have remember that CIA spook that was running around Afghanistan with the bag full of money to hand to different warlords. That was only one guy that guy has some big balls. I read up on that that guy n he was actually a real person and he ended up dying.
The unit he's referring to is the Special Operations Group (as shown in Bourne Identity).
The CIA Special Activities Center/Special Operations Group and it's elite paramilitary unit Ground Branch
@@JamesMckenzie-q1z ya the show lioness is giving me a little brief idea of what is it like. I know I know it’s Hollywood and I’m sure there isn’t a women such as Joe in charge. The lioness program was real but to my knowledge they certainly go after n hit hard targets. They were used mostly during the time of OIF AND OEF when CIA needed women for body search suspected insurgence, or terrorist
@@JamesMckenzie-q1z they are allowed to pull or say borrow guys from the unit to go on missions with them too.
Regimental Reconnissance Company (RRC) = Tier 1
Delta Force= Tier 1
Navy Seal Team 6 DEVGRU = Tier 1
ISA= Tier 1
24th STS = Tier1
Navy Seal = Tier 2
Green Beret = Tier 2
Ranger 75th = Tier 2
Marcsoc = Tier 2
UK SAS = US Delta Force
UK SBS =US DEVGRU
UK E-Squadron = US CIA SAC
CIA Special Activities Center are all ex Tier 1 with aditional espionage training.
What weird is Green Berets is like the gateway between tier 1 and tier 2. From what I heard, they can be assigned to do some very top secret tier 1 stuff. Not always but sometimes.
SAC/SOG
US Delta force = 22 SAS.... Delta we're literally based on the Lads from Herefird.
Depends on the green beret ODA. If it’s a upper echelon CIF team that’s basically tier one
Finally, someone gets it. But keep in mind, they all can be intertwined as mission requires.
At the end of the day, it's the E-4 Mafia that you actually need to be afraid of... The most crafty motherfuckers out there. And yes, they pull from every branch too. Mic drop.
haha - so true!
Hey hey hey… We don’t exist 🤫
Not really. They are an organized crime syndicate guilty of treason.
If you miss CQ runner 5 times it's a badge
Who's or what's the E-4 mafia, someone be good enough to explain please.
When I worked with some of these people overseas. If you met them you would think they were insurance agents. Very intelligent and very well mannered.
I had a couple show up to our comm compound in Afghanistan for some stuff. Two of them came through the front door, and the other one came in through the back door at the same time. The back door was supposed to be locked. I'm sure somebody just left it cracked open or something, but I like to believe he ninja spooked his way into the building lol. They were nice guys, though. Very thankful for what we were helping them out with.
I guess I also can't confirm who they actually belonged to. CIA, Delta, or whoever. They referred to themselves as OGA, which just means Other Government Agency lmao.
@@OneShotStop229 There's the Men-in-Black, Men-in-Gear, and Men-in-Shorts Divisons XD
Do they bring fluffy cats with them? I'll bet they love cats
In every area of life. When you get above the pleb level. Everyone is acting correct.
@@projectsspecial9224Men-in-Shorts? Selous Scouts!
“Not a lot of depth”…..what a roast 😂
LOL
I recently watched some videos with seals in a little physical competition with construction workers. I couldn't put my finger on what I was seeing at the time, but yeah that pretty much summed up what I was sensing.
This guy is suspect. I was in the Marines. Everyone knew all seal teams are not the same. Everyone in the military knew Seal team 6 are on the same tier as Delta Force
@@kto0312that doesn’t even make any sense. Why would they leave seal team 6 to go to delta if that was the case. This isn’t a movie. Don’t believe everything you hear
Basically navy seals are a bunch of highly trained donkeys. Got it.
What he is saying is 100% true, Delta guys are never gonna be known as "operators" when you see them. They blend in and that is the real scary part if you actually get to meet them, they are also some of the nicest people you will meet.
please, they are all under JSOC. You have been watching too much Jason Bourne.
Well, funny thing is Delta were the only ones that used the "operator" tag, until suddenly everyone in SOF wanted to be an operator too.
Andrew’s the type of guy to remind the substitute teacher that yall had homework.
LOL 😂
why are they comparing SEALS to Delta? Not the same tier of specialization.
Doesn’t sound like he understand the difference between Team 6 and the rest 😂of the
@@shanecoolen3986 Right.. seems he should know better.. even if it's a frequent misunderstanding among the public.
@@shanecoolen3986 I gather he's referring to the fact that 6 only recruits from within the Seal community. Delta and the Paramilitary recruit the right people across any branch.
@@dominicsanchez2972it’s silly to compare them at all. They have different specialties and are the best in their respective areas. Devgru will be the best at certain missions, delta other missions. That’s why they have different operational functions to begin with. It’s childish to compare them
He's generalizing because he doesn't have any direct experience with them in action. SEAL they don't care about anything or anyone that isn't a seal. Essentially they didn't give him the time of day. GB or Delta talked to the guy because they dont trust him.
Brit guy here, who has had a USSF team attached to us in Afghan. 3 of them were “ normal” team guys, 1 of them was Delta. it didn’t take long to work out which one it was. No jive talk, no grab assing, no boasting. He was a fucking grafter, always getting involved with our stuff….. the others always had something to say! Yeah, also worked with UKSF at that time, SBS were a lot like the Delta guy, SAS a lot more standoffish and fuckin weird! But, both were at the Delta guys calibre easily 👍🏻
So many great clips from this podcast. You guys had a excellent conversation.
I see myself in Delta. Thanks Andrew, I love extrapolating ideas from you
I wouldn't believe a damn word Andrew says and this is precisely why. SEAL Team Six is Tier 1 just like Delta Force the big difference being the SEALs ability to hit targets on the water as well as on land. The only Navy SEAL to ever try out for Delta successfully made it through the Delta Force pipeline. You also have the fact it was SEAL Team Six that killed HVT 1 (bin laden) not delta Force. Both units are amazing and we are very lucky to have the best two Tier 1 units in the world.
Yeah and what u haven't heard because they don't talk delta took out the highest ranking isis leaders while back there new leadership is entirely different people they also hunted Saddam hussian
@Harry-Murphy yeah that's really cute but the most wanted terrorist in history was killed by the US Navy SEALs not the Delta. Both units are fantastic but the SEALs have an outstanding record of success.
We had guys from AFSOC who would transfer up to Ft Bragg and work exclusively with JSOC, which is where the Joint aspect of these operations and operatives come in.
He’s completely correct!!!
CAG is top of the top precise….
Have you ever served? Because if you did, the 6 and CAG are interchangeable. Dude on here is really just throwing mad shade.
@@duaneacarterii
They’re absolutely not interchangeable CAG is more precise and more disciplined.
@@duaneacarterii3rd batt here 🖐🏽 from 2004 to 2010. Worked with both. Devgru is akin to a championship level college football team - delta is akin to a nfl Super Bowl winning team. Was in a stack once when they cleared a house. Let’s just say you would have to see it to believe it.👌🏾
@@Bravefit You have Army bias and thats ok. Operationally you will not be able to tell the difference between either unit. 3rd batt would be considered a college team if anything. There is a reason DEVGRU had operational control of afghanistan and delta had iraq. They are equal and in recent year DEVGRU has been unmatched specifically in cqc
@@BravefitNo you didn’t…
“So others may live…” can’t forget our PJ brothers.
This dude's a former USAF cone head.
There's probably a reason he didn't mention them.
@scottkelly7051 you know that 24thSTS rescues SEALs and attaches to Delta and DEVGRU squads, right? They're literally SEAL-level operators that are also Nationally Registered Paramedics.
@@CertifiedClapaholictheyre combat support, by definition...you mentioned 24th in response to a generic PJ comment. Thats like justifying high school football with the NFL
@@trajanone71 lmk when you make a coherent statement
There is a big difference between normal SEALs Tier 2 and DEVGRU SEALs Tier 1.
That’s a little to advanced for most LARPers on here to understand lol
True , they should understand that there are 10 active duty SEAL teams , officially there is no SEAL team 6 , it’s just named as DEVGRU or Task Force Blue . Not all SEAL teams are Tier 1 but I wouldn’t be crazy enough to up against them either .
Top Green Berets make up both Delts and ISA tier 1.
Regular SEALs are Tier 3
@@tedfio1tedfio1No they dont
I tell you rite now which one is better the one that puts them behind bars untill then ?
The Delta vs. Seal pipeline’s are completely different.
Generally, Delta applicants are “seasoned combat infantryman” who have checked multiple boxes (75th RR, SF, etc.) in their quest to be amongst the elite.
Seal applicants (non combat infantrymen) check the BUDS box and then suck themselves off for the rest of their career.
You don't compare tier 1 to tier 2. Delta and Devgru are both tier 1 and are all seasoned Special Forces operators. You wouldn't make it to Army Basic training...LOL
@@deathfire096 How dare you!
My girlfriend’s husband (navy seal) defends your freedom!
@@WARCHILD1982 tell him thanks but I already did my defending for the country. I joined the military @ 18 years old more than 30 years ago. It's nice if the younger generation returns the favor.
@@deathfire096US Army Intelligence Special Activity ISA and The Ranger Recon Company RRC are also tier 1.
@@WanderingPassports TIER 1 means the amount of money and resources a unit gets. Air Force Tier 1 (24TH) , Navy Tier 1 (ST6) , Army Tier 1 (Delta) fall all under JSOC , that's their command and who they report to and take orders from. ISA is their intelligence gathering. JSOC in 2005, during the war made RRC Ranger part of their command. Everybody in JSOC are Tier 1. JSOC have all these knives at their disposal and they use all of them as the see fit. In the next war, depending of the enemy and terrain, JSOC will stay the same or expand or change.
It is curious, is there a “badass” differentiation relating to the ROE that each unit operates with? Does ROE limit the tier?
Who's the most important on an F-1 racing team? The driver, the engineers, the strategist, the fueler, or the tire changers? None! It's the team as a whole.
It's the sponsors
Max must be a POG. And thats ok, bc its true, the shooters need to get their ammo and food so someone needs to bring it to them, and do all the paperwork, transportation, logistics, etc. Its not just the fighters doing the killing and dying for the fight, but its everyone supporting their effort. That about right Max?
@@hianxi80 Ngược lại thì đúng hơn, bạn của tôi ạ. 11B '67-'70. I was fortunate enough to have pulled KP 3 times and saw how complicated the logistics of just feeding us in Basic and AIT were. Imagine supporting the whole military effort around the world, including troops in the field, must have been. (And no, I didn't get sent to Vietnam. They gave us phrase books for no good reason. I needed a Japanese phrase book on Okinawa.)
@@MaxEPR right on. "On the contrary, rather, my friend."
each one of them is a god dam nightmare on there on them together as a team is spooky😂
I’m part of the Delta , and I agree with Andrew .
You can't tell how good an individual or unit is by talking to them. You can interview them, chat with them, ask them for stories, but you don't know how good they are or what they really can do or how they are under fire. You'd have to see that. By all means have interviews and shows and podcasts, etc. But the proof is in the action. And the best talkers with the most charisma are often not the best operatives, warriors, fighters, etc.
QUIET professionals.
I would be curious if any of it is similar to the KBG during the Cold War with psychological warfare spying techniques
Ten SEAL teams. “CIA intelligence is a contradiction in terms” - Capt Richard Marcinko
what watch is he wearing?
Delta and ISA are tops without a doubt, not just physically but more importantly their ability to problem solve.
On the Agency side, he was referring to SAC/SOG.
I mean I know they’ve gained a lot of attention in the media, but you still gotta include DEVGRU in there. They’re both above a standard SEAL team for sure, but DEVGRU is still on pretty equal footing with those 2, maybe even surpassing them when it comes to operating in the water.
I always thought comparing just SEALS in general (and not DEVGRU specifically) to Delta was dumb. Its like comparing Rangers and Green Berets to them.
@@ToniMihelcic Even though i don’t think they’re officially JSOC, I’d also include the 160th SOAR in there
@@ToniMihelcicWhat is JREG?
@@joshhutch3525 Top Green Berets make up Delta & ISA Tier1
Thanks for clearing that up. I always sensed that about SAS, they seem more deeply trained as well as SF more than the others.
SAS isn’t even Britain’s best special ops
@ they just seem like quiet professionals that are really intelligent like a seal or green beret mixed with James Bond type training
These are all dangerous men. Our Country is in danger. I pray they honor their oaths to defend the country against enemy's foreign and Domestic!
@texassparky our most dangerous domestic threat to the country is the incoming president and his joke of a cabinet.
My brother was Sr Colonel in Air Force Intelligence and worked with alot of US operators. He never told me ANYTHING about the people and projects hes worked on. The one thing he did tell me is CIA operatives are the scariest MoFos on the planet. Alot arent even "on the books", smart as hell and very highly trained.
He said if you live in a foreign country and two guys with hiking boots, khakis and a polo shirt show up at your house and tell you to come with them, just know theres 20 other people right there.
DEVGRU is the premiere da unit in the navy and mostly comprised of SEALS with years of experience while Navy SEALS are typically a tier 2 asset in the US DOD compared to the army SMU. Where as in CIA paramilitary are comprised to JSOC and SOCOM operators
and to add to that, Navy Seals have so many teams from team 1 to team 10 and so on. Where as in DEVGRU (Seal Team 6) has 4 assault squadrons. This is the only thing I know. These units are kept in secrecy and we don't know much about them especially DEVGRU.
This guys hair hides the baddest special operation team. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's like comparing a hammer to pliers... They are not in competition with each other. They complement each other. It's a specialized unit that is meant to do specific things.
1:14 So true. Just watch all the Seals and Delta guy’s interviews on the Shawn Ryan show.
If I'm not wrong, Shawn Ryan, Mike glover and Evan hafer were CIA paramilitary (GRS).
@Glee73 ryan was a Seal before the CIA
Think about it, Shawn has interviewed a lot of former CAG operators and they respect him for a reason. I’m sure Shawn is very proud of being a seal but he himself knows that CAG is the cream of the crop when it comes to tier 1
@@Glee73GRS isn’t paramilitary. SAC is.
Were in marine force recon in all this ? There function ? Would they get deployed with rangers ?
I've been doing martial arts for 31 years, and I get a lot of opportunities to train with soldiers from Special Ops units. Some of my teachers are Special Ops during the Vietnam Era. When I was younger, I used to think Special Ops guys were awesome, and my dream most of my life was to be a Navy SEAL, but I was not eligible to join because of my physical disability. Here's the truth of what I've discovered from training with these guys, so there is a difference from the Vietnam Era Special Ops and modern-day Special Ops. The Vietnam Era Special Ops is more knowledge based in that everything is hands-on, and they had to learn everything without the aid of technology. Now, from working with and training with modern Special Ops personnel, I found out that they are more technological based. These two eras of operators are two different types of beast. The truth be told, I came to realize that modern Special Ops doesn't know that much outside of firearm, and it really blows me away. What's happening is that they are so reliant on technology that they don't need the skills that the Vietnam Vets needed. I have had many teachers from the Vietnam Era and those guys are scary. However, I don't get the same impression from the newer Special Ops guys.
I’m sorry but no disrespect I just don’t think you’re really fully qualified to make that assessment or know what you’re talking about from your one or two experiences, just based on what you said, shows you don’t know BECUASE you are simply wrong. You are right about Vietnam era having less technology yes that is correct. But analog things are still taught and trained , just so you know. But I’m sorry you’re still simply not qualified to make that assessment
@@noalane3626 I'm friend's with 5 2nd Battalion Army Rangers from the 75th, and trained by a Vietnam Vet from the 75th for 13 years until his death in 2019. I was also trained by a Sergeant Major from 5th Group Special Forces in precision rifle. Currently I have an instructor from SEAL Team 4. My families first teacher was a Vietnam Vet who was a Combat Controller. What I'm telling you is coming from the new Army Rangers that I know because I'm the one ending up training them in hand combat. So, personally I don't care what you think.
@@justinquaid2610 always in my life I know guys like you who claim to know people they probably don’t or who they know so so inexperienced and then claim to teach martial arts to these guys , you try to justify your existence and our yourself on the same level as them in some capacity , always man always theirs dudes like you trying to leach on someone else’s fame and accomplishments. Be your own man, again you’re completely unqualified to make Ana assessment even less based on who you say you know so just stop talking
@@justinquaid2610all you're talking about is second hand information, a friend of mine, a person who I trained with, the brother that commented is right, you're not like us, you'll never be SF, so you'll never be like us, you're not qualified to talk about this, respectfully, have a good one bro.
@@mr.i5310 With respect, but your logic is tantamount to saying that doctors are not qualified to talk about cancer because they're not cancer patients, which is not accurate. The same logic applies here. While he may not be special forces, he has spent a significant amount of time with them to be able to make a qualified assessment.
My father was in the special forces and I asked him about a-battle in Vietnam and after he told me that the enemy would move there own dead 💀 to use as a barrier in a 2 day battle wave after wave I never asked him about combat again.
Air Force Combat Controllers are my personal favorite. They have the most skills and can be integrated into any tier 1 or 2 teams.
I have read that they have killed more of the enemy than anyone with precision air strikes and are very capable in close combat.
I agree!
@@ToniMihelcic They are fully certified Air Traffic Controllers, JTAC, FreeFall, Breaching, Demo, SERE, Combat medicine, Combat Diver, plus additional training. A Delta Operator said the DOD spends more money to train a CCT than a Delta Operator or Navy Seal. Their training pipeline can be 2 years and 5 months long in terms of what is unclassified. I cannot speak for any other classified Tier one units.
@@ArmoredGauntlet Thats mostly because of the air traffic controlling. They are highly trained, but not hardly asskill as a CAG/Seal operator in terms of weapons and tactics.
@@hectorrivera6624 the 25th Special Tactics squadron is trying to get there though….aka the Air Force’s tier 1 unit
The best delta rangers?
CIA Director: "Mr. President, we've located Bin Laden."
President: "Send Seal Team Six."
The Delta gave the job to the seals because it was so easy and the death % was so low.
@@jayboley9683 keep making up stories hahah
He doesn’t decide who goes.
McRaven was the JSOC Boss at the time…
The reason that Seal Team Six got the mission was that they were assigned to the Afghanistan theatre of operations and Delta was responsible for the other regions in the Middle East.
Andrew, if you don’t mind me asking, what type of watch are you using ?
Delta never comes out and makes some workout tape or hits the speakers circuit. Quiet. Humble. Lethal. to the end.
????? They are all over social media and podcasts. You need glasses. Quiet my a$$. LOL
@@deathfire096 You don't see the majority of Delta or any covert or clandestine operators. You see a handful. Most Delta i promise you are silent professionals the rest of their days.
@@hieronimusrexx9203 They are all over social media. I count like 15 so far. Even the Colonel that started Delta, Colonel Beckwith wrote books for the public. Silent my A$$. You want me to name them? They are all on social media.
@@hieronimusrexx9203 ahahaha
What about MARSOC????
What about ISA
What about ESPN?
@@Deuce86lol
Not the same thing lol
@@Randolph_Onu you right but they got The Ocho.
How many delta have passed SAS OR SBS SELECTION???
charlie beckworth, the guy who STARTED Delta did...since then? who knows
Larry K Allan. Former CSM 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment went to 22 SAS on secondment and passed UKSF selection and was badged.....and served in the Regiment for 3 years
Task Force Orange
No
Not comparable in mission set or utilization.
@@vancearama They are primarily recruited from Delta and are provided with unique training to expand their capabilities
@@NN-oz6rr No. Their mission is supplementary to what Delta or ST6 do. Recruiting from either doesn't benefit TFO. They primarily recruit from agency and branch intel.
How about 24 sts?
Green berets are very smart. At least the old-school ones. Scary guys.
When I was a kid, my Scoutmaster was a Green Beret officer. He was the kindest, most easygoing guy in the world, but nothing scared him, and nobody screwed around with him. He was like a Jedi, and I really wanted to be like him when I grew up.
Delta comes from Green Beret Col. Beckwith and top GBs make up Delta & ISA both Tier 1.
Wouldnt you only compare SEALs from DEVGRU to Delta though? Confused lol
You forgot U.S.S. Umbrella Security Service also U.B.C.S. Umbrella Biohazard Counter Service
The Activity
The Activity is something different. He doesn't mention Activity at all here since it's the only classified group out of all Tier 1 groups. The Activity is also called "Intelligence Support Activity" which is different from the CIA paramilitary Andrew Bustamante is talking here which is called "Special Activities Center". Joe Kent worked in both and he said the most capable people worked in the Activity and the most badass people in terms of pure passion for action worked in the CIA paramilitary that Andrew Bustamante mentioned previously
@@lukabozic5 But who does the SAC (Ground Branch)recruit from..Top tier operators from Top tier units and then they go through training at Langley, one would guess. I'm just adding my two pennies, but doesn't operators from the ISA go through similar training in terms of tradecraft the same way as field intelligence officers does within the CIA. I'm all ears to inform me within the comment section.
@@lukabozic5yep Joe Kent was a ground branch contractor after serving with ISA
Ground branch
@@bamaraffle8785 Yeah ground branch specifically which is the part of the Special Activities Center, thank you for context
I’m noticing in a lot of these videos the person is speaking about seals in general and NOT DEVGRU in particular.
“Normal” seals are on par with the 75th rangers and green berets and are not a tier 1 group.
DEVGRU on the other hand is a tier 1 group just like Delta Force and a very different creature from the “normal” seals
Seal Team 6, water/dive team for the water missions, everything else Delta
Delta can swim to.
so why did they capture/kill OBL in the middle of the Pakistani mountains?
@@taz9609 They can't explain but keep saying Delta is the best....LOL. What part of Sea, Air, and Land Tier 1 they don't get.
Dude, has anyone ever told you that you look like a lot the 'Pescador Parrudo" ,(Though Fishermann) from the Kubanacan Brazilian TV Show?
this is the new CIA cover but it defeats its purpose when he goes in social media. LOL
Without 11B units no war is won.
We do so much more than people even realize specially units like mine that are trained have a specialty and a tab above unit patch.
Mountain Warfare is what we do every day
Even Tier 1 guys have to come to our unit and do two phases to get the Ram's Head badge and be able to do what our training is as standard.
We had night raids into villages in Afghanistan PAK border and deal with same crap the rest do except our deployments are much longer as well.
With less air assets and less support we have dealt Taliban some of the worse defeats in Paktiya province.
Leave at that.
Yes Tier1 have more training and a lot more funds and pick the smartest while some off us smart guys have to stay in Infantry just to keep the others in check.)
It's frustrating but there is something about Infantry that nothing else comes close to.
We are the ones kicking in the doors, clearing villages and our missions going after bad guys is based on what support we have usually a crapy MRAP's or pick up trucks and occasional double rotor death coffin heard miles away.
Most of the time its long marches up the mountains and under heavy packs.
Great interview.
We don't have ego problems as much and as Croatian born I think I was the only one who was mature and ready for what we saw other than Rangers guys we had with us.
Why are you comparing Tier 1 units to the SEALs? DEVGRU is more comparable to Delta and Ground Branch correct?
One of the rare times you realize the ones talking and the ones commenting have no idea what they are talking about
Definitely the ones talking. And definitely the ones talking about how the guy giving the answers doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Which group are best at selling lawn mowers at Sears after they get out?
When im a beret, yes, i'm super lethal on a matter. This is different to beret backwards from seal concept
As a non-veteran, I respect anyone who can meet the demands of any of these groups.
Siestog shame😂
Different purposes, end of the conversation
this guy doesnt even know the difference between Devgru and white side Seals
Yeah, it sounds like he was comparing white side seals to Delta. I'm surprised when he said there's not a lot of depth to seals. There's smart and less intelligent seals just like any other organization.
He definitely knows the difference. He is a very decorated and respected warrior.
@brockmorris8764 no because they operate on different tiers. He's not comparing the same type of warrior. It would be one thing if he was comparing devgru to delta but he wasn't.
@@nmf220 please explain to me the different types of warriors
You don't understand the role of various branches on a massive grand strategy scale..If you did, you'd know why seals cannot be the best. It's not their role. They're demolitions experts for naval warfare and taking over ports and such. They're not a main battlefield element. Mad weapons skills are not their main focus. Same goes for green berets. They train local forces, languages, human skills, and high intelligence is their focus, not even combat. For the best of the best, as he said, they select people for heavy combat specialization roles.
Andrew where does HRT rank amongst these top tier units. From what I understand
1.Delta
2.GB
3. ST6
It's interesting to hear this from someone who was no dog in the fight.
I question the veracity of this guy because not all Navy seal teams are the same. Example everyone in the military ( I was in the Marines) knows Seal team 6 are on the same level (tier) as Delta Force.
Maybe the same tier but not the same level. When I went to special forces back in the 60s, I already had a tour in Vietnam. The standards had already been lowered because of attrition. You couldn't walk in off the street and sign up for special forces. You had to have three years of service to begin with, height requirement, second language.
Im just saying, there are way more green berets than seals
Navy seals are making it at 18-19 years old. You won't ever see a Delta that young
Those are fresh from buds and in The lower tiers of the S.E.A.L.S.
Now DEVGRU you won't get them young, they need time to grow into the Tier 1 phase of the NS.
Gurkhas are tops! Let's have a match-off and check the results.
Bro is comparing Gurkha's with world's most elite special forces and even CIA'S special activities center 😂
Better Together Than Divided.
Qual "Force" mandou Ozama para o mar? fui gentil!
The ISA aka The Activity
That's beautiful. High ceilings. Probably a bit cold so close to the window.
The top is gi.joe 😂
What podcast is this from
Former Blackhawk pilot. Flown lots of SEAL’s and lots of Army SF. The SF; quiet professionals and the SEAL’s more ego.
Brown team? BAMF’s
thx for that distinction, makes sense to me
came across them both and I concur.
SEAL as an overall is a larger organization that has always kind of focused on anti-terror direct action assault. Whereas Devgru (SEAL-6), Delta, etc. are smaller Tier-1 groups that focus on being able to infiltrate and force multiply when needed. Even Devgru does a lot of direct action work. Think of most other SEAL teams as sort of a step up from your standard Airborne Ranger troops with more technical training. At least that's the way they always described it to me whenever we went out to do ops.
Comparing delta to a seal is like comparing devgru to recon marine, a whole other level of tier
The guys a case officer and has legit no idea what he’s talking about with Tier 1 operations units. The inability to decipher between Seal Team 6 and the rest of the Seal teams is an immediate red flag and disqualification. Delta and Seal Team 6 are the premier direct action units in the US Military and are equal peers. One has absolute expertise on land, the other in maritime environments to put it very simply. Both are the only units in the US Military whose primary mission set includes Hostage Rescue.
British SAS are the OGs in CT and Hostage rescue
Delta by far, GB, then 6
People out here just making shit up
The pecking order is quite correct. If you guys were a bit older, you'd be talking about the macVsog guys as well.
Love watching AB, checked him out on Julians podcast as well, great historian AND forward thinker.
DevGru is best at CQB
Tier one are all capable of same missions. RRC CAG devgru sst activity. Some are still unpublished
Shout out to SFC Doud, my platoon sergeant when I was in 3/502nd. A Delta operator, who did indeed looked like a school teacher. The thing I remember most about him was how he came up with simple solutions, to difficult problems. The other thing was how much disdain he had for the cadets from West Point that they sent to Ft Campbell for training each summer.
I have absolutely felt this fear from green berets! I love my green berets, but one day that realization just hit me like a truck. Also, SEALS can be extremely personable, too. 😅 Sidenote: this thumbnail is super freakin' cool because I had never seen the special activities tab and I really got to compare it to the SEAL and Delta tabs. Kudos!
Don't forget the USAF Combat Controllers-Special Tactics.
It's interesting how combat controllers aren't technically Tier-1, but 90-95% of guys who try out fail; same rate as Delta. I always wondered why that one is so march harder to earn.
@@Durzo1259 Let me tell you why. CCT members go through a much tougher technical training process - Air Traffic Control School -along with the three phases of training. However, I was old school, going into the career field in 1968. Almost all the courses were US Army, including Ranger School. We had a wash-out rate of 88% in those days. I was an instructor years later when the CCT program gained fame and the training was reorganized.
it isn't hard to be a Ninja, it's hard to blend in like you aren't a Ninja " you can't use that quote unless you pay permissions" 😂😂
I'm curious how much work does the CIA do with the SAS/SBS. I'm always hear in on YT. That they do quite a few operations is this true if so can you talk about it.
You're forgetting about MARSOC Marines.
Something that you don’t hear a lot about is, young recruits can go to seal training. You can’t go to delta selection unless you’re an E6 or above. The solders attending delta selection are typically much more seasoned and have a proven track record. Also, when I was at bragg, seals would come train under delta at the compound. Lastly, delta is 100% self sustained and deployable on their own. Seals need the support of jsoc to deploy. There really isn’t a comparison. It’s two different tiers. True with the funding as well.
Saw ODA in Fallujah. This man is not lying.