Does 2 Years of Mining Ruin A Graphics Card?
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2018
- Do you have any horror stories from ex-mining cards that you've purchased? Any recommendations for making sure you're buying a card that won't explode on you?
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I just picked up a used Windforce OC 1080 for $320 after it was used for mining for about 6 months. The guy invited me to his house, showed me what was left of his mining rig, gave me the receipt and said to bring it back if anything goes wrong. The card works fine and he didn't even try to kill me. 10/10 would risk death for a cheap used 1080 all day.
Only get worried if they invite you into the shed... the mining rig is right at the back... why is there plastic sheets on the floor...
@@edwardecl Well he did look kinda like Dexter... 😉
I just bought a FE 1080 from a miner and no issues
I got a asus 1080 strix that was mined for 3mth with receipt for 360USD and it looks and works like new. I'm now looking for a 1080ti and am going to skip the 20 series.
Same story. Galax 1080 EXOC used for 8mos. Showed me stress tests, undervolted, etc. $320
ok, now remove this video so that I can get a cheap 1080 before people see it and bid against me
@SuperWolf1964 the 1080ti is a huge step up from the 1080 imo , that 3 extra gigabyte makes up for the like £100 extra you pay for it
For 100 bucks I'll delete this video for you
@@yousufahmed5627 why do people care about vram so much I dont see how you would ever need more than 6 gb for like 4k gaming
Dont get scammed!
@@yousufahmed5627 why do u care about vram so much. I have a 1080 and I have never seen any game over 7gb of vram. And I play games at 1440p ultra sittings.
Electronics do not degrade in such a way which end use performance would be affected, they do degrade in a way where it will suddenly stop working usually with no symptoms.
Yep, the issue here isn't performance loss. The issue is longevity/remaining life. You average consumer doesn't upgrade yearly or even every 2 years. It's typically 3-5 years your average consumer keeps a card for, and what needs to be tested is if mining / 24 hour usage at full load affects lifespan.
Nice paraphrase from the old linus tech tips video :D
There must be a limit
But how do we test the gpu for life span? All i know in engineering there is this thing like factor they use to design something so i think it would be very safe to say that if they say that the gpu is good for 10 year maybe, in truth the life span could be more.
2d artifacts are usually the earliest sign that shits fucked. But as you said, even then they don't always show up before it dies.
It doesn't ruin the card. It does...under-mine...the longevity though.
You're a genius
In terms of fan life, yes. definitely. Although I have an ex-miner RX 580 and it's not only a decent gaming GPU but it overclocks insanely well too. I currently have it running +100/+150 on the core/mem clocks and it's stable.
How so i know people that have been mining since 2010 and their cards are still 100% the same as they were new.Its all matter of luck .
Before that happens you will either want or need a new GPU. Graphics cards and CPUs are built so well now a days that this wouldn't even bother me. Last graphics card I bought new was GTX 280 for $400. Bought EVGA 560, MSI 660, MSI 760, EVGA 770, MSI 970, MSI 1070 and MSI 1080 TI since then, all second hand, no problems on any of them. And since I'm renewing every year and sell it afterwards, no degradation was notice at all.
@@CalaTec lucky you. I wish I could sell my older cards, it would make my upgrades easier instead of feeling like life of death decisions ("chose wisely because whatever you buy you will have to use for the next three years"). I don't sell my old cards because in my country it isn't easy to find people interested in PC gaming or sign enough hardware knowledge.
As long as the miner changed his oil frequently and was easy on the transmission it should be fine.
Replace oil with fresh thermal pads and transmission with temps and that statement is true
What oil bro can you explain
Im planning on getting an rtx 3080 for mining and i need to know many things
@@Spydacs2 Oh I was just being satirical because he compared GPU's to cars, I would just make sure you keep your temps below 67 and fans up to whatever it takes to achieve that with a nice undervolt. I would check forums/videos for specific settings for your card but the main thing is to find the best hashrate with the lowest stable power usage while maintaining temperatures that are safe for the card :)
@@Spydacs2 :DDD
Need that fan cooling oil and premium air to clean them off
I mined on my ps2, it was fine after 2 years but i only made $32
If you take it to GameStop you'll make an extra $3
How did u mine on a ps2?
@@blomblo r/woooooosh
@@editss lmao you think i so stupid. Maybe i am, maybe not but still my first R/woooosh. I take it as a trophy
@@blomblo yes I think you are *i stupid* xD
electronic is not mechanic, you cant tell life span of an electronic item by its performance.
True
Yup, most electronics just go when they go. Unless if it is is memory where you might be seeing operational instability due do individual components in the memory just dying.
You can on a phone
-phone- battery of the phone, planned obsolescence tru "updates"
fixd it 4 u
However, hard drives are mechanical. (On the off chance someone doesn't realize this..)
This didn’t age very well🤣 hopefully Keith is a millionaire by now
My god. When i imagine how a miner looks it looks exactly like him.
I'm a miner, I can confirm that's how I look....
Yeah, their looks are as filthy as their actions.
@@justrandom4924 wut, what's wrong with mining?
@Imam Chungus we are in a silicon shortage the people that buy 100s of gpu and mine them are stopping real gamers from buying them just so they can make money and kill the gpus after a few years. its a lazy mans way to make money and it contributes to the current silicon shortage making gpus more expensive for us
@@lollol-kz8vc preach 🤕🙏
I actually kinda like the orange 1060 looks cool
Yeah I agree. I think it would be cool if companies offered multiple colors of the same card so you could get more bold color options.
Drew142 looks like naruto
would look alright in a Be Quiet build i reckon apart from the blue heat pipes.. eew
I bet Linus at Linus Media Group would agree. His colors are black and orange.
I also think that a pumpkin orange card would be great in a Halloween build.
But black is faster....
I feel like him touching them up like that is doing more damage than most of its time mining and gaming lol.
Buying used is a gamble. Mining or not there are dumb people that'll choke their graphics card, overclock/volt it, blow the dust off, and sell it as "barely used".
Speaking of which I got this LED-less 1070 I'm selling barely used $400.
But usually miners will undervolt gpu cores to cut down on electricity, since its actually the memory clock that matters and the core clock only needs to be there to a certain point.
You're giving "miners" too much credit. Sure, most undervolt and the real tinkerers mod the bios(save for the 10-series), but there are far more factors of stupidity and chance that play into it.
@@SeductivePanda Maybe, but my 2 highest binned R9 Fury cards came used in an AntMiner box... I don't know of ANY mining BIOS for the Fury. They are from 2015, so pretty old, plus they have the highest TDP out of ANY single GPU I know of (275w). On top of all that, Fiji and HBM gen 1 was notorious for degradation, so...
The mining box could have been coincidence, he could have used all 100 or so he dumped on Ebay for gaming... (excellent price, and since both binned so well, I'll probably buy a couple more to get the best 4x pair I can get).
1070 at 250$? Where???
any good miner always undervolts to get the best possible efficiency
I have 5 years of mining on my HD 7850. Amazing card still, golden-sample that OCs to 1250mhz core when on water and 1499 memory. Still plays games great and the only problem is the fan self-destructed from eating a molex connector, so I got a different fan on it, back on air for convenience of moving systems its on.
I got my antminers at IMINERS,CO and they are great group of people. Miners are new, support is insane, shipping is fast and they provide wholesale discount. My recommendation to
i got my antminers there to and they are insane.
man thank you so much for going straight to the point. that's surprisingly extremely rare on youtube these days.
I like that you did this video. I also like that GamersNexus has talked about this in the past as well and mentioned a heavily gamed on card is generally going to be far worse than a heavily mined card.
SUPER simple, barely an inconvenience ...... **I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE** :)
I love those videos!!!
That reference was tight.
Screen Rant references are TIGHT.
Wait for it... wait for it... GET OUT OF MY CHAIR!!!
Great video UFD, I have purchased six mining cards and so far all except one worked great all benchmarks were perfect. one of my cards a RX 580 Red Devil GS had a flickering problem but that was due to the seller cleaning the graphics card with WD40 the lubricant got in between the PCB and the GPU (there is a very tiny space) so the heat was being transferred to the back of the card and causing it to overheat. I cleaned it out (very difficult, used 90% alcohol then had to use dish soap with a high pressure water pulse and jet water flosser) and it works great now.
Awesome! I bought a 970 that was used for 1 1/2 years straight. The card has been in my rig for about 6 months now running smooth. Thanks to that experience plus this vid I feel more confident in buying a 1080 thats been used for mining.
You will not see a performance difference with mining cards, the issue with mining is that the gaming cards use a board layout optimized for performance and stability at a low cost rather than a demanding constant workload. Usually one of the most common issues you get from mining cards is after a few months to a year or so of use, you may end up with stability issues, such as your display randomly artifacting, requiring you to restart. The issue is not temperature related, it is simply many of the passive board level components end up degrading more and then functioning out of spec, thus the GPU may bet a little more ripple, or a capacitor may have its ESR increase, thus the card may crash or artifact when it needs to suddenly jump to a higher power state.
bought a used ex miner card 1060 6gb and it had massive frame skips in games, but benchmarks showed great performance numbers... it also would lose display for a second a couple times a day.. i got a 2nd 1060 that works perfectly fine now.. also had an amd card that was mined on and had the artifacts regardless of temp. and had to be restarted often.
Razor is right on the money about this, BEWARE of used mining cards on ebay they may seem to work fine according to benchmarks but then have weird issues that may drive you nuts. i learned this lesson twice now
It's not the performance that degradates, it's the components.
And thus the life of the card is reduced.
This. We are talking about the lifespan of the card not the performance
@@junandeo12345 but honestly do you think the lifespan of a used card degrades before the technology becomes obsolete , if that's not the case then no problem
It depends if it has been running at 85C temperature for 2 years or at 60C to 55C, that makes a huge difference to the life expectancy of the card that will work perfectly fine until it suddenly without warning die... (fans breaking is not a big deal, just put in new). With the default fan profile my Gigabyte Aurous GTX1080ti did run 75C temperature when mining, I installed MSI afterburner and made a custom fan profile that did keep it at 55C to 60C when mining.
Depends on the card, I once bought a 7950 used for mining a few years back, seemed fine there but was totally unstable over anything more than a few min, mining does destroy cards, parts will start failing, it wont degrade performance, it'll just stop working properly.
How did you do those graphs? They’re amazing looking!
Watching this guy at 1.5 speed makes my life so much easier
watching at 2x speed bec I cant bother
This was an interesting topic that you don't see on any other channels. Great job UFD tech.
Just bought Zotac 1060 3GB AMP last night from a guy who seems to know what he's doing. Went to the guys flat, met his wife and their two little girls, saw the rig and the cards mining. Best case scenario. Ran a few tests, played some games, all seems to be gr8!
Also ask if they used a custom bios, and if they did if they reverted the bios back to stock before selling
Nobody asking that question and the fact that your comment liked only 9 people among others makes that subject potential downside of buying used Gpu because that is really important. Not many casual users are aware of it as some bios modifications of GPU's are making great improvement of effective hash rate and shares, while in gaming environment probably will cause opposite negative effects
And so every GPU card has own bios settings that couldn't be replaced from another GPU of same model without causes of instability
I used to have no issues buying a used card if it was still under warranty, but I will never ever again rely on MSI for customer service. Five months and three defective replacements later, I still don't have a working card. Buy used, but don't risk MSI.
i thought MSI has a decent support tho... even 3 year warranty i think
@@btc-maker2136 Oh, they do have a three year warranty, which looks great on paper, but the reality is dealing with these folks has been an absolute nightmare. After returning my first card at my expense after it stopped working six months in, they sent me a defective replacement a month later. They wanted me to pay to send that one back, but I finally got them to send me a shipping label. Over a month later, I was sent another defective replacement that even had noticeable physical damage. Same issues. At this point their website wouldn't even accept my RMA or serial numbers so I couldn't track progress. Their customer service was non responsive and non sympathetic. They would neither cross ship me a card nor expedite replacing the broken junk they were sending me. No quality control at all. It was over five months and three defective cards before I finally got a card that worked, and while it runs hotter than it should, I'm just done dealing with these people. They don't care. Horrible company.
I'm really glad I read this before messing with MSI cause I was between a Gigabyte 1060 or MSI 1060 so thank you.
I've bought 2 pre mined cards: a Club 3D R9 380 4Gb which ran awesome until I sold it for an RX 580 and an EVGA 1080 Ti FE with an EVGA 1080 AIO attached (plus 2 years of warranty left). Both cards were treated very well by the previous owners and I updated my 1080 Ti with the proper EVGA Ti AIO cooler kit and she's still working great! I would buy miner's cards all day as long as they were treated decent, just like a gaming card that was treated decent.
Thanks for the vid. I expect my next card which will I will be getting soon to take me to into the next generation, so an ex mining 1080 will probably do well.
Also people if you get one of these cards ask if the card has been flashed back to a standard bios. If the performance is less than expected then you may need to do it yourself.
What kills electronic components is temperature variation. Mining cards stay at the same temp for 2 years. Gaming cards have a lot of temp variation so I think its actually worst...
that and miners generally undervolt their cards
It can cause microfractures in the pcb, but typically when going from ambient to full load without ramp up, but as they heat and cool relatively evenly, not really an issue
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Marc-Olivier Blouin
Even then, the cards would need to be getting really hot for the temperature variation to really cause issues. Like a 290x reference in a clogged up poor airflow case in a cooler climate.
"temperature variation" kills electronic ? lul
@@hazard1one
It can yes, but more on the extreme end like turning it off while it's 80c after a gaming session. Doesn't happen too often though.
disappointed that you didn't see if it's overclocking capabilities were affected, not custom maximum overclocking, but at least it's factory provided Application safe OC limits, i.e. setting power target to the max % and giving the core/memory clock a bit of a boost. I have zero doubt that a card that has been running 24/7 at 100% speed for long length of times would be able to still hit stable factory speeds and perform up to 100%.. but where I would expect to see degradation, if any, would be if you attempted to overclock the card to perform faster than stock speed.
The cards are two different to do that. The bigger cooler with more fan head room should!!! Win out. Also each GPU and CPU are made different some can get higher overclocks than others straight out of the box!
Updating my post from last week. I just sold the 1060 and bought a 1070 that was mined for a year. Runs excellent so far!
Asus Strix GTX1080 - After 6 months of mining all the time, the card now locks up and crashes the system when gaming. It gets to a certain temp (which is way under normal overheat temps) and locks up. Mining causes crashes after anywhere from seconds to a min or two..
Basically, the card is fried.
I can game normally and be ok though. If I mine, the card will basically flip out, then I can't game at all. I'm thinking that the constant 100% and extra temp has fried the thermal paste and perhaps solder on the parts, and now it's thermal tolerance is way less than it should be. I can push it, but I can's push it super hard any more.
Where can I find that orange graphics card?!
Great information! All of my mining cards are running strong. As a mining, I am selling off all my gpu mining rigs, and turning to ASICs miners like alot of other miners out there.
Bought a mined 1070 a month ago with 2 years warranty left. Changed the paste and the thermal pads because the pads were leaking oil "EVGA" and gave it a isopropyl bath. Runs and looks like new.
Okay so I am correct in saying that the gpu I'm waiting for that has only been mined for a couple of weeks- a month's time will operate like new and for about as long as a new one would?
My Ex-mining GTX 1080 Ti runs great and when i bought it, it still looks pristine because the previous owner always shut down the entire rig to clean his mining rig every 2 weeks and change the thermal paste every few months to all his GPUs.
i had seen worse "ex-gaming" card that sit on a case without proper maintenance for years.
WAIT - this is a mining related video yet there's almost none dislikes? Cool!
I'm just as shocked as you are
@@UFDTech could it possibly be because of that you included just gaming benchmarks, not mining benchmarks? I mean that's the only logical answer I can come up with.
now people don.t have a gpu and ssd problem , they have a ram and cpu problem which in my opinion is far worse, in my country new cpu rised in price with up to 60%, sh is low stock and rised with about 35%, amd ryzen also incresed in price....., ram here is stil expensive from what it used to be, on the good side ssd ar realy cheap now compared to past 2 years
@@GODlikeTeaching well i guess we're lucky. We have cheap-ish cpus and ssds but the ram prices are high. Oh and 2080's are starting from 900€
Well that and this is like a PSA to go to your local used videocard animal shelter and rescue a poor GPU puppy that was abused all its life mining, and give it a good life gaming.
Thank you for this video. If someone hasn't already suggested it, it would be awesome to see other graphics cards from 2016 (pre-mining and non-mined) compared to similar mining cards from that same time frame. I'm in the market for a used 1070 after purchasing a brand new rx 470 back in 2016. I didn't have the $ back then to get a 1070 but am in the used market now to get one, especially when you see a used 1070 go for $250 US dollars.
I picked up two used mining ROG STRIX 1070Ti cards and they work great. I have them working together with SLI and I am very happy with it. No problems with used mining cards so far.
the "REEEEEEE" just made my day. Thank you!
Still skeptical on those eBay cards... lol
Yeah I would love to buy from there, but trust issues x 4000
@@Mrfiufaufou Amazon is better
I buy from ebay. It is cheaper usually. Just buy from reputable sellers but even then ebay will side with you usually if you get a crap product.
Finnegan Swanson I got a used XFX RX 580 8GB for $160, was full of dust idk if it was used for mining but it came with warranty and after cleaning it is working flawlessly
@@MustardGamings Amazon is where everyone is getting ripped off, even the used prices on amazon are out of control.
I purchased a matching 1080ti that the seller used for mining so I could do sli and it works just like the one I purchased new! Couldn't be happier!
Picked up an MSI mining 2080ti for $700 back when the reference cards were selling for $1200. Thing runs like a dream and I couldn't be happier. The seller claimed that they underclocked it, but as an ebay purchase, kinda hard to verify.
This is why I hate these videos about mining card comparison. They want to test degradation but pick the wrong way when comparing it. Mining card does not have "performance degradation" but what degrading them is the card "longevity" or "lifetime" particularly the electronic components. You could build a working circuit with degraded components like bloat capacitor or melted IC and it still working fine but that circuit going to run for few minutes before blowing up, which is what a mining card is. What they should do is to dissemble the mining card and check 1 by 1 the circuit and electronic components, identify any leaking or defects or fault on the electronic components.
Hahaha you tried three times not to say "let's just jump into it" ala Philip De Franco style but you finally did it at 3:25
I'm a weak willed UA-camr
Great video idea! 100% agree with your opinions on this one 😊
I mean you can predict failure rates of specific failure types based on knowledge of how the board (or graphics card in this case) was run. Temperature dependant failures (such as oxidation reactions etc) can be estimated for these cards. If you have knowledge of the current to specific parts and what they are rated for you can utilize black's equation as well. You'll be dealing with means and averages though that may not apply to individual units, but I don't feel this is a very different situation from buying anything used. In fact in those type of situations I'll probably get (after asking of course) even less useful information about the usage style of the card. Buying second hand electronics in general is a bit of a gamble but not necessarily a bad one on the cost savings front
I feel I have to comment,the problem with used cards is that you dont know what temps they were running at before you bought them.In certain places gpus can hit 99% usage and run at 65 to 75 degrees.In other places ,hotter places these cards hit their gpu temp limit and get blazing hot.Talking about 82 degrees to 85 if someone adjusted the temp limit.You're doing simple short benchmarks which dont really mean anything,the only way you can tell if these cards are fine,is if you play a game for about 2 hours or 3.
Wrong.
Yeah its true after 2 hours of playing pubg with my mining card it gets blazing hot like over 78 79 degrees I sold my mining card and I bought a new gpu cz of throttling
Who knew Brett was going to tell Tank to get out of the chair?
Lol
Tank is a true beliver :)) gg Tank
you guys are very hard workers i love it keep it up
Got my XFX RX 580 8GB for $160. Idk if it was used for mining but it was very dusty and came with warranty card and original box, took awhile to clean. After cleaning card gets up to 60°C max underload while playing PUBG with OC and is quiet. Super happy with going used
XFX GTR XXX LED edition has hardswap fans so even if they broke they are easy to replace
I've always been less worried about performance degradation and more about longevity degradation. Even with reducing voltages and lowering clock speeds, these cards are still running 100% of the time, which undoubtedly should make up for any gains from making them underperform. My worries isn't "Will it perform as good" it is "Will it last as long as if it weren't a mining card." Which I get isn't just as simple as "X was used in mining, Y wasn't."
Well 100% of a lower clock means that the longevity degredation isn't as high as you think. 100% just tells you if its using all available resources at whatever speed its running at. It doesn't take into account core speed or power consumption. It just simply says that all cores are fully utilized at whatever clockspeed and voltage they are running at, even if its 0.5V at 500mhz. Using all resources available does not mean running as fast as possible. It just means all resources are being used, no matter how fast or slow they are completing tasks. So honestly I would trust a used mining card by someone who knows what they are doing vs a gaming card that was stressed and probably overclocked by someone who just wanted the best performance possible and probably didn't have their card open air or anything like that which means it was definitely running hotter than a sensibly tuned and used mining card. Tuning for performance per watt, or hash in this case, is a lot different than tuning for performance per dollar. In the latter you are squeezing every bit of performance out of it for your money where the former is more about getting the most amount of work done for the least amount of effort possible, enabling that card to last longer and make more money in the long run if it is intended to be used for a long time.
you know there is no such thing as "performance degradation" right? and the video is made for clicks... if a card dies, dies... no lower fps or other stuff..
Utilization has nothing to do with degradation. The clock speed and voltage is what matters when it comes to longevity as those are what causes friction within the board, not utilization.
You forgot about the main problem with used mining cards and that is most have been re-flashed with a mining specific BOIS that does not play well with some or all games. Also the fans only have a limited lifespan and are not cheap to replace.
@@MrJugNut nvidia cards can't be flashed only amd
I just got an rx 480 for jus 96$ it was use for mining and for that price i think it is worth to take the risk.
At that price go for it
Same here. I just got a Sapphire RX 580 8gb for $150, used for 1 year mining and runs very normal so far.
Ask for screenshots of it running first but that is an absolute steal even if the cooler's bust!
I got an rx 580 for £100 which was used for mining, but my gaming performance was performing horribly worse and now it fluctuates im unsure about it
thomas clarke i saw one worth £80 but my friend told it looks sketchy
I picked up a used 1070 that was used for mining, but was looked after well and the card itself is under 2 years old. I’ve stress tested the card and so far, no problems at all.
Very useful! Bought a 2nd hand GTX 1070 which I presume was used for mining! I wonder if replacing the thermal paste will allow a higher overclock? Have you ever tested that?!
is it still good?
@@martinmwitila4616 sold it in a build a long time ago!
i hate minners they completely ruined prices and where the cause for the graphics card shortage
why
Facts 😂 some dude bought all the 1660s at my local computer store i was so cheesed bout it 😂😭
cry harder
The question is not about the mined cards but rather about how can you make sure that the person selling knows what he's doing with his mined card. Few months ago I managed to grab 1080 for like 50% MSRP from a desperate miners (probably lost his money due to crypto crash) and it still running well till last month. I sold it, because I'm on 2200G and 1080 vs 1060 6gb barely makes any difference in my rig :p Sold my 1080 to get me 1060 6gb and the "profit" left is going to be for AMD 7nm CPU later. I was lucky tho, the seller knows what he's doing and the 1080 I bought was used for a year or so with a year warranty left. Now, if you don't know the seller; what he's doing, what settings he used, what temp his card running at etc etc, just don't buy it. Skip it, don't risk it. Keep your money for the 20xx series or next AMD GPU. That's much of a deal than getting a mined card from irresponsible miners.
Now, if your friend(s) happens to be miner, don't shy away. Ask them their 1080s :))
*One of my friend is a miner, asked him bout his 1070 but he was like "Sure, I'll sell it if you bought all (12) of them"
sonuvabiatch :))
Just bought a used MSI Gaming X RX580 from $150 from a mining farm, and it runs great! I'm going to hold it up to 3 years for my next PC upgrade.
I think a mining card is safer than a gaming card, because what causes damage to the card (specially soldering) are the temperature changes through dilatation and contraction. As the mining card had been permanently on, it hadn't suffered too many temperature changes as a card that's been going from idle to load many many times.
No one argues against a mining cards performance loss or lack of, that's not the issue, its the longevity behind the card that has been kept at 100% for the cards rated lifetime...
A mining card won't run slower, but every part of the card has limited amount of power cycles and/or full load hours in it. Mining card will just fail sooner than a gaming card.
Okay genius, how many power cycles does a video card go through as a result of continuous mining? Oh wait, it's continuously mining so it's going through NO POWER CYCLES! Nevermind that. So, how many full load hours is a video card going through as a result of continuous mining? Oh wait, a mining card never goes through full power loads because any miner knows that in order to save on their electricity bill they need to turn down power targets by at least 30%, and most miners have their GPUs setup outside of a case where they're much cooler. It has been proven overvolting and high temperatures are the leading cause of premature failure. Where's the proof mining leads to premature failure?
Such cool and fascinating story.
Did you watch the video? The fat dude said that he ran the rig 24/7 for the past 2 years and is continuing to mine even though it isn't profitable because he get's free electricity (no idea how that works, but I don't claim to know anything about wherever the hell they are). I don't know the particulars of his setup (and neither do you), but fans and capacitors (in the VRM, for example) absolutely do have a finite lifetime.
There are plenty of reasonably likely mining situations that would end up lowering a GPU's useful life. It is not unreasonable to be wary of a card that has been running nonstop in an unknown rig, with lots of dust (remember, he said it was nasty), for the last 2 years.
The card won't die in 2 years, it will take longer. By the time a minig card dies prematurely, there will be RTX 2380Ti.
@@philipcooper8297 by that point I think I'll be ready to upgrade from my mined on 2080ti to the 2380ti anyway.
So I have a question. What value is overclocking a graphics card and then undervolting its power... seems like your asking it to do more but then taking power away or leaving it at stock. I get the concept of having it do more with less but do not understand why it's done and how its effective.
I purchase a Evga 1080 SC2 for R6500 also a mining card was used for one year still has 2 years on the warranty . so this video pouts my mind at ease thanks
"Exactly about the same" - UFD Tech 2018
Personal opinion...confirmed! :P TY!
usually what breaks a card is the extreme heat when overclocked and when not cooled can burn important parts or your graphics card
What settings should I be looking to ask when it comes to buying mining gpu
May all the miner's burn in hell for eternity.
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i would do it if the bills were free
@@Crylorz everyone would then
wow. pissed off because you cannot afford/find a gpu are ya? I got tons mining 24/7
@@gunit6815 lol no profit
2:07 THAT is the general gamer's attitude towards miners :)))))
Always try to get the original invoice for a used card--it ensures that you'll have access to that warranty.
Good day, good vid. I appreciate the info. I am a beginner. Would you know where to buy used GPU's especially in South Africa?
Just bought mining 1080ti for 400$ a month ago
Same with me😂 just bought ex-mining zotac 1080ti amp for 420$ a 2week ago, and still got 4years warranty left cover by zotac, is super good deal for me 👍👍
Yeah 2 years of mining with ur red and black msi gpu will turn it into an orange galax gpu
Thank you for making this video, we are all dreading buying a used ebay mining card!!! I took a risk on a rx580 for 130$ asked the dude if the bios was returned to stock and he replied he didnt know what I was talking about, meaning he didnt mine on it!! :) Got lucky but others may not so this video rocks!!!
how much you want for the 1060? And will you and the guys sign it? I live in the states and have enjoyed the channel for some time and I would love to score that card.
aaand this is the reason i got a mined 1080 ti for 450 dolla! thank you filthy miners!!!!!!
Hows it holding up for you now, or did you upgrade? I've been mining on my 1060 & just put a second GPU in my computer.
This was all a sham for Tank to sell his card. I KNEW IT!
I'll admit I'm on Tank's side. I bought my EVGA SC 1070 in April 2017 on sale for $375 before the price hike. YOUR videos introduced me to Nicehasher. I made some pretty good money off it for about a year. I even took it out of my main gaming pc used a 4GB EVGA 760 while i had the 1070 in a super low watt i3 dedicated motherboard on a table😃. It cost about .08c a day to power it and making up to $3+ a day! I quit when i wasn't satisfied by how much it was making a day. I returned it back to my main gaming pc. It's been gaming just fine. It was an exciting day when I found a local Bitcoin ATM and withdraw some real cash out of it.
Nice information guy, thanks
Hideous orange 1060
Linus likes it
lol no one in the right mind would say "performance degradation" if a card dies, dies no lower performance... i'm not saying the cards are ok... they might have problems but there is no such thing as "performance degradation"
They can have worse thermals after mining, and start thermal throttling.
As well as when voltage is put into any device they will get damaged, and the damage can cause a lower clock, which will make it slower.
when a GPU die you can't repare it by remake some (micro)-welding or something like that ? Change the vendirad if he die or the radiator etc ...
Love it!! Been waiting for someone to do a vid on this!! Great job guys as always... Tank GTFO out the char!!!😜😜😜
I personally had 13gpus mining for 4 months non stop and out of 13 cards 5 of them had problems with the fans, while gaming there are random artifacts and 3 of them just gave up and died. 24/7 usage at 100% will hurt almost any technology. Some cards will survive longer than others.
Or they were not very good from the beginning and mining just uncovered their faults.
@@konstantin3374 i dough that. From 13 cards 8 of them had problems and the survivors were not in perfect conditions either. I believe that it matters where the mining rig is and the temp of the room. Also not to forget i ran it 24/7 with no breaks at 100% load for over 3 months. Card brands were Asus EVGA and gigabyte mixed
What happened to Hawt Nuz?
Bought an r9 390 from a miner replaced the thermal paste because of heat issues and now it worls fine. 1060 performace for half the price c:
What I want to know is durability in a long term setting. Sure, the cards perform identically but would there be a difference in how long the cards would last??? My guess is that there wouldn't be. I need a graphics card and willing to get a good used one!
VOTE FOR BATMAN
Tank owes NO APOLOGIES! Mine and Game like a BOSS TANK!
I got a 1070sc that was used for mining off of eBay for 180. Works really good for me.
Good video. Be nice with more cards to be tested. I had a 3 miner rig. Sold 2 cards to my kids (20,22). Trying to sell the 3rd and had a couple covos about this. Only had mine for 6 months. All 1080 tis
Far as I'm concerned, cards used for Crypto mining being re-sold on the market are just as good as selling stolen and/or intentionally abused goods. It still angers me that everyone seems to magically forget about way back when bitcoin was still viable on GPU's, and one couldn't get the $4*0~ MSRP R9 290X for anything less than $900, only for ASICs to make that irrelevant and tons of sketchy second-hand sales passing on ruined cards that basically die within a week of the card changing hands. It first angers me how many forgot how bad the situation was back then, and how people act like this wave of it was some kind of new thing.
But I'm just as angry at the miners who bought them up by the truckload ensuring that nobody could ever get the cards for anything less than triple the MSRP. Without their factor into it, those GPU's should have been at a third of their MSRP nowadays, and nvidia should have hurried out the RTX a year ago. We should have already been talking about 2nd gen RTX if not for said miners slowing everyone down.
And it's *always* the shadiest pricks who do crypto mining that sell their GPU's for suspiciously attractive prices on ebay and amazon, all to continue fueling their attempt at a get-rich-quick scheme that obviously didn't pan out. The worst offender was a local craigslist that was selling from a lot of over *two thousand evga 1070's and 1060's* that were used for mining out of some rented warehouse space in Phoenix. That's where I basically drew the line, because the photos showed them stacked 20 high with literally no breathing room for those cards to work correctly by the time they pass on to anyone else. It made my blood boil.
yo they did it as a business. its not a war crime. they are spending money on those gpus and them hoarding them is only gonna prevent others from getting it. they have as much rights to those cards as you do and it was hard for miners to get cards back then too.
@@irfannasim9092 when their mass purchasing inflates the price for everyone else, yes, it's a problem. When they have the nerve to charge msrp for a card they maliciously used to the end of its silicon life, assuring it has no warranty whatsoever, *yes it's a problem*.
I don't think Nvidia card is the issue. The bigger problem lies at AMD card as they are usually modded more than Nvidia one for the purpose of mining. Nvidia at most is frequency and voltage tweaking but AMD can go BIOS mod which seriously mess up the timing and causes hardware failure like dead BIOS ROM or display noise. It will be glad if you can make a video on AMD cards as well, I believe there will be degradation.
good idea
i had 12 RX 480 mining for 1.5 years i decided to sell them. i had them on bios mod running at 1050clock and 1800 memclock -10w 60% fan. i keept one of them for myself and it is running fine i put the original bios cleaned and change the thermal paste and i had to say that it runs better than the 1060 i had for gaming wich is weird
@@Sima0Beat that's because of game and driver optimization over time. That's great if your cards don't have hardware defects.
@@eafindme yeah but still even if you get a good deal try to know at what settings the person had them. I have meet and see people that had them at terrible conditions.
I must say that 1 heats a 5° more and another one the fans sounds.
Lee Yy where is your picture from pls
I still have a PC With pentium 4 LGA 775 socket clocked from 3.2 ghz to 3.68 ghz and Geforce 6600 GT 256 mb DDR3 still overclocked with legacy nvidia driver with overclock option, running on windows 7 as a backup PC in my office, I was gaming on it from 2004 - 2009 and when i run some old benchmarks and games it still gets the same framerate as it did 15 years ago. This system worked on full load for 5 years most of the time because i was a hard core couch potato gamer who sat in front of pc playing games for 7-12 hours dailym stock factory cooling fans are still quiet, no thermal throttling ever happened. Even a thermal paste on GPU and CPU is still 10 years old, since 2011 i only blowed a dust from pc 3 times and that was about it as far as maintenence goes.
It all depends on how they made the card. Like it is like a Car, You can buy a half milion $ car and experience malfunctions and breakdowns in 2,3 year of driving it, but sometimes you can buy cheap car and have no problems with it for 20 years, without even loosing one drop of oil from your engine.
If someone can buy quality made card like my Geforce 6600 GT, It doesnt matter if that card was used even 3 years for 24/7 mining because it still could work at 100% factory performance even 10 years after that.
I go for Gainward (quality design, fans are not loud and they are durable) and avoid ASUS, because they tend to break down after 2 years even when used by casual gamers.
Fast forward in future, I wonder how much coins that guy mined and how much profit he made right now