I have taken the lens apart and here are a few observations and things you can easily change to improve the lens: 1. Don't worry about the holes for the focus scale. There is another layer of shell beneath it before getting to the focus mechanism. 2. The lens does not have a helicoid, it has a completely different kind of movement inside for focusing. Pretty good against dust. 3. The infinity lock can easily be removed if you don't like it. Treat it like a screw and a bolt.. 4. After removing the infinity lock, you can easily fit a focus tab on the barrel, be it a metal one or a rubber one. I CNC'ed some brass and got it black painted. Looks and works amazing. 5. The 0.7m detent can be a bit too strong. You can easily remove the rear lens mount and pick out the spring responsible for it. Just squish it a bit to reduce the strength. The detent will be a lot smoother. Hopefully this helps.
Would you be able to share your results on point 4? How did you attach the focus tab? Does it slide over the metal piece which holds the locking screw?
Just as an FYI, since this is an issue for me as well; I asked Thypoch (in the form of a comment on instagram) and they said they'd be adding the tab to the 28mm. So I assume the 35mm will also follow suit.
Always wonderful seeing new players enter the fold. Interesting time for Thypoch as well, since the Voigtlander 28mm Nokton was released around the same time as the Thypoch duo. Though at a $200 price difference. My favorite thing about third party M-Mount lenses, is I not only get to use them on my film and digital Leitz Gear, but get an adapter for any other system I have and boom, good to go. The LLL 50mm f/2 looks just as at home on the M240 as it does on an Olympus E-P5 even though one is Full Frame, and one is MFT.
There’s a handful of people out there making black dots and some other replacement dots for M10s and M11s. They vary in quality, but they get the job done.
Great review! Thanks for getting it done. Would you do one for their 28mm lens? Would be very interested to see how that stacks up against other 28mm lenses!
@@benjhaisch ohh haha do tell, how did you make it look like a P ? i have a M11 and id love to make it discreet ha, have you had any issues with your m11?
Hi. I shoot the M10 and after lots of conversation and consideration I went with the zeiss. I haven’t tried the Typoch but I did try the Summilux vs the Zeiss and (somehow when paired with the m10) I totally prefer the result from the Zeiss. Weight/size is a non-issue for me. I’m actually gobsmacked by the lens and it’s definitely a keeper.
Hey Ben, great review! love the shots on the 907x. I was thinking of picking one up and pairing it up with the 907x - How well does the lens cover the 907x sensor?
Hey Benj - as always thank you for this nice review of this very interesting lens. When you are talking about sharpness of the Simera, it looks a bit as you are just referring about the wide open sharpness. How does it perform when stopped down to f5.6 or f8? Also information about the flare behavior seems a bit contradicting as far as what I've seen so far.
Nice round up Benj. I've got the Zeiss. While I agree it's certainly on the large side, it's something I can forgive because the brilliant IQ, wide-open sharpness, character and handling are all top notch. It might be a forever lens. Works like a charm on the M11 and actually balances nicely on the SL2 too.
Its like i've written serveral times, before Benji tested it - the Zeiss Distagon ZM is still the best M 35/1.4, even the Leica have had received 2 design iterations since ca. 2004-5 to nowadays...whileas i don't have a M setup, i enjoy the 35mm focal length onto another system...have had it way long ago, and now again since few weeks.
Hello, thanks a lot for this comparison, unfortunatly once again and you are not the only one, every youtuber seems to forget its real competitor that is the Voigtlander Nokton 35m f/1.5. Because if I follow your logic its less sharp, has worst aberration but hopefully is cheaper. Looks strange to me. Because lets be honest people investing in Summilux lineup, have the money and know what they buy, they are not the prospect for Thypoch lenses. Thypoch customer will consider either a used 'cron or a Voigt compared to this. This is what we hope to read about. This being said thank-you for the presentation and the quality of your video.
Still waiting to get the Voigtlander in my hands. Unfortunately it’s not that I don’t know it exists, but more than I don’t have an unlimited library of lenses to compare, even if I do have the contacts, the timing doesn’t always work out. Once I get the Voigtlander in, the Thypoch will be here to compare it to as well.
@@benjhaisch Would it be possible to ask for a google drive of raw files from the 807x with this lens? Would love to make a lens correction preset for it. 😊
Nice but odd scoring. So the Leica gets a 3 for being "stupidly expensive", rightfully. My problem is the Zeiss gets a 2 for weight... so it's beyond stupid heavy? Obviously not, bad score noted!
Scoring things with points is already a dubious proposition and then you add in half points and it's downright useless. It's like how 91 is a terrible score for fine wine...you've got this scoring kind of compressed at the top here and are adding even further increments in what is already a kind of arbitrary scale. "If I could give the Zeiss higher than a 10 I would." The way you do that is to score the others lower. I can suspend my disbelief and enjoy it as entertainment but when you start doing half points you lose me.
hahaha as I was filming it I actually told my buddy who was there that, "this is actually sort of pointless, but possibly entertaining and interesting, so I think we'll keep it anyway, at least just for the interesting comments it might get" ;)
@@benjhaischyeah I agree. A more qualitative than quantitative scoring would be better. I mean you basically did that before in the video with some aspects but going through the categories and just rating them in comparison by giving them 1st 2nd 3rd with an explanation would be better imo.
I have taken the lens apart and here are a few observations and things you can easily change to improve the lens:
1. Don't worry about the holes for the focus scale. There is another layer of shell beneath it before getting to the focus mechanism.
2. The lens does not have a helicoid, it has a completely different kind of movement inside for focusing. Pretty good against dust.
3. The infinity lock can easily be removed if you don't like it. Treat it like a screw and a bolt..
4. After removing the infinity lock, you can easily fit a focus tab on the barrel, be it a metal one or a rubber one. I CNC'ed some brass and got it black painted. Looks and works amazing.
5. The 0.7m detent can be a bit too strong. You can easily remove the rear lens mount and pick out the spring responsible for it. Just squish it a bit to reduce the strength. The detent will be a lot smoother.
Hopefully this helps.
Would you be able to share your results on point 4? How did you attach the focus tab? Does it slide over the metal piece which holds the locking screw?
Just as an FYI, since this is an issue for me as well; I asked Thypoch (in the form of a comment on instagram) and they said they'd be adding the tab to the 28mm. So I assume the 35mm will also follow suit.
@@alexsorokin1896 I asked too and they said they would not
once the IL is removed, does it move freely or still lock up?
I brought this lens on a trip to Italy and used an adapter on a Nikon ZF. What an amazing lens for the money.
I’d love to see the images if you have them posted anywhere? I’m looking for a 28mm for my ZF too!
I'm curious to see the difference with the new Thypoch Z mount native
I really enjoyed the new side angle shot you incorporated.
Well done!
Do you have an m11p now?
M11. Swapped out the red dot for a minimal one :)
@@benjhaisch ahhhhh nice.
@@benjhaisch Where did you get the "screw-dot" from?! 🙏🏻
Did you try the Simera 28mm 1.4 of Thypoch? Really interested about that one!
It’s still incoming ;)
Always wonderful seeing new players enter the fold. Interesting time for Thypoch as well, since the Voigtlander 28mm Nokton was released around the same time as the Thypoch duo. Though at a $200 price difference. My favorite thing about third party M-Mount lenses, is I not only get to use them on my film and digital Leitz Gear, but get an adapter for any other system I have and boom, good to go.
The LLL 50mm f/2 looks just as at home on the M240 as it does on an Olympus E-P5 even though one is Full Frame, and one is MFT.
Hi benj, curious how did you replace your m11 logo to a screw logo like the MP versions? Where did you get it? Thanks
Yes, came here for this!
@@disappearhere_com we’ll see if he’ll ever reply
I've got a source that I'm trying to convince to sell them ;) I had the same idea and turns out that someone was already thinking the same thing ;)
@@benjhaisch i’d buy one right away. I just prefer the sleek look!
There’s a handful of people out there making black dots and some other replacement dots for M10s and M11s. They vary in quality, but they get the job done.
Great review! Thanks for getting it done. Would you do one for their 28mm lens? Would be very interested to see how that stacks up against other 28mm lenses!
where is the camera strap from?
how its compare to voigtlander 35mm f1.5 in your opinion?
what happened to the M11 ? you changed it for the m11-p ?
It’s still an M11 :)
@@benjhaisch ohh haha do tell, how did you make it look like a P ? i have a M11 and id love to make it discreet ha, have you had any issues with your m11?
Man I love San Gabriel California DO you recommend this lense for Street Photography with Zone focus?
what app are you using on your ipad?
Hi. I shoot the M10 and after lots of conversation and consideration I went with the zeiss. I haven’t tried the Typoch but I did try the Summilux vs the Zeiss and (somehow when paired with the m10) I totally prefer the result from the Zeiss. Weight/size is a non-issue for me. I’m actually gobsmacked by the lens and it’s definitely a keeper.
Thanks for the comprehensive amount of sample photos!
Great review! I like the scoring process at the end. I wonder how the Voigtlander would stack up in this group.
Useful review-thanks for the effort. Love the shot of your son in the metal circles!
Hey Ben, great review! love the shots on the 907x. I was thinking of picking one up and pairing it up with the 907x - How well does the lens cover the 907x sensor?
and how does it compare to the coverage of the Zeiss?
I wish he'd do video on the Thypoch 35 and 85 on the Hasselblad / GFX.
@enshongmiranda which 85?
Hey Benj - as always thank you for this nice review of this very interesting lens. When you are talking about sharpness of the Simera, it looks a bit as you are just referring about the wide open sharpness. How does it perform when stopped down to f5.6 or f8? Also information about the flare behavior seems a bit contradicting as far as what I've seen so far.
I've mostly been in very dark/cloudy envirnments so I haven't seen flare being an issue anyway, but I'll film a quick test and see
thank you as always master Benj!
Nice round up Benj.
I've got the Zeiss. While I agree it's certainly on the large side, it's something I can forgive because the brilliant IQ, wide-open sharpness, character and handling are all top notch. It might be a forever lens.
Works like a charm on the M11 and actually balances nicely on the SL2 too.
Its like i've written serveral times, before Benji tested it - the Zeiss Distagon ZM is still the best M 35/1.4, even the Leica have had received 2 design iterations since ca. 2004-5 to nowadays...whileas i don't have a M setup, i enjoy the 35mm focal length onto another system...have had it way long ago, and now again since few weeks.
Man that lens performs really well… incredible what’s attainable in the lens market for under $1000
Dang, this lens really does punch well. Very tempting! Great comparison
Hello, thanks a lot for this comparison, unfortunatly once again and you are not the only one, every youtuber seems to forget its real competitor that is the Voigtlander Nokton 35m f/1.5. Because if I follow your logic its less sharp, has worst aberration but hopefully is cheaper. Looks strange to me. Because lets be honest people investing in Summilux lineup, have the money and know what they buy, they are not the prospect for Thypoch lenses. Thypoch customer will consider either a used 'cron or a Voigt compared to this. This is what we hope to read about. This being said thank-you for the presentation and the quality of your video.
Still waiting to get the Voigtlander in my hands. Unfortunately it’s not that I don’t know it exists, but more than I don’t have an unlimited library of lenses to compare, even if I do have the contacts, the timing doesn’t always work out. Once I get the Voigtlander in, the Thypoch will be here to compare it to as well.
Good review … except the scale used at the end. Putting a 2 for the size of the Zeiss just means nothing.
Typoch is best for Cinestill 800
cover GFX body？ pls
I added some photo s in the 907x to show coverage. It has some odd mustache style distortion though.
@@benjhaisch Would it be possible to ask for a google drive of raw files from the 807x with this lens? Would love to make a lens correction preset for it. 😊
Sidecam rock´s 🙌
size: 10, 9 and a 2? come on! This is messed up, I would say 7 is more fair.
On a Leica M? It’s HUGE. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Man that rendering is so nice. I need to sell all my gear after this season and just go Leica lmao
Nice but odd scoring. So the Leica gets a 3 for being "stupidly expensive", rightfully. My problem is the Zeiss gets a 2 for weight... so it's beyond stupid heavy? Obviously not, bad score noted!
Yes, it’s beyond stupidly heavy ;)
But yeah, if you’re looking for actual consistent scoring, this isn’t it haha. All just off the top of my head
@@benjhaisch Fair enough, it just seemed hard on the Zeiss.
@dominiclester3232 I think it still accurately reflects my feelings on it ;)
Thanks
The red-ish CA looks like a built in film halation simulator lol
Put the pressure on Leica to re-think their pricing.
Scoring things with points is already a dubious proposition and then you add in half points and it's downright useless.
It's like how 91 is a terrible score for fine wine...you've got this scoring kind of compressed at the top here and are adding even further increments in what is already a kind of arbitrary scale.
"If I could give the Zeiss higher than a 10 I would."
The way you do that is to score the others lower.
I can suspend my disbelief and enjoy it as entertainment but when you start doing half points you lose me.
hahaha as I was filming it I actually told my buddy who was there that, "this is actually sort of pointless, but possibly entertaining and interesting, so I think we'll keep it anyway, at least just for the interesting comments it might get" ;)
@@benjhaischyeah I agree. A more qualitative than quantitative scoring would be better. I mean you basically did that before in the video with some aspects but going through the categories and just rating them in comparison by giving them 1st 2nd 3rd with an explanation would be better imo.
How on earth can you compare this shit to a Zeiss or Leica lens??
Because those are the ones I had available. Have you looked at the images?
ps ps to attach it to m10+ is the same is to upholster Bentley with vinyl seats - tawdry and cheap .
so long @georges_angeles
Like other German cars, Bentleys are not very reliable cars for the money.