@@davidmurray5926why do you attack him for making a joke? He wasn‘t mean or anything. Also even if he cooses to get confirmation through a video on a decission he already mate, that is his choice and would also be ok. Every person is different!
As a Sony and now Leica photographer, here's my analogy: Sony mirrorless are the Acura NSX with hybrid powertrain and dual clutch automatic transmission putting up consistently fast track times. The M11 is a 911 with manual transmission--not the fastest around the track and if you miss shifts your times will be painfully slow, but you're connected and ever-present for the experience. The Q3 is where I struggle to complete the analogy--maybe someone can help?
A Q3 would be some other sports car with an automatic or dual clutch transmission w/o the hybrid assist that the NSX provides. So let's say a Porsche Cayman with a PDK. It'll shift way faster than a 911 w/manual and be a more comfortable daily driver but you'll also be curious and lusting over a 911.
I sold my Q2 Reporter and my Q2 Monochrom and bought an M11-P and M11M and loads of Voigtlander lenses. Absolutely no regrets. I find I am as quick focusing with the M11 and feel much more connected and in the moment. I do miss the macro on the Q.
I am fortunate to own the Q, SL, and M systems. While the M system is manually operated, I’ve discovered that when paired with my M28 Summicron and using zone focusing, it can actually be faster than the Q system. Thank you for your excellent work-I truly enjoy everything you share!
I get it. It’s a little like my situation. I work with a Nikon z9. It’s powerful. Fast. Can nail focus with minimal effort. Can shoot 20 photos a second doing my motorbike photography. But in my own time I use a Hasselblad 907x with 100c or the x2d. I love taking the time to look around and work things out. I feel it slows life down and I relax when doing landscape photography. Good for my head and mental state. I used to love my Leica monochrome rangefinder but I’ve fallen in love with the Hasselblad look and colours. It has give me a lot of joy. I know this sounds all very artsy fartsy but I thought I’d share.
I have , over the past year, gone completely to Leica. I started with the Q2, then a M240 and now a D-Lux 8. They all are unique in their own way and like any tool, have their uses but the important thing is that I enjoy the experience of shooting with them. I could take good images with other cameras because there are lots of good one around, even a phone is useful at times, but these cameras make me smile when I use them.
Literally last night was looking up vids for this specific topic. I truly believe the Q is the better camera for me. I own two Q2M’s and that monochrome sensor is fun stuff. I may sell one and grab a regular Q2. The M lacking autofocus and costing so much more just doesn’t make much sense to me.
I have been using the M system for over 10 years now, mostly with small vintage pre-asph lenses; almost made the switch to the Q343 when it came out, but instead decided to go with the M11-D and pair it with my 35mm 7 elements, which is both smaller, lighter and (hopefully) more enjoyable to use than the Q. But the Q343 is indeed a very attractive proposition.
The Q3 was my introduction to Leica and most definitely a gateway "drug" where I then purchased the M11M 35mm Summicron APO. They both have their place and I love shooting both. Be warned, if you're thinking of a Leica, you will not stop at just one.
Liking and commenting for the algo's sake. Also, as someone who's recently gone through this very question, I will say that I'm coming up on a year of owning an M10R and a TT 50mm1.4 and have zero regrets going this route. I'm actually a little relieved that I didn't go the Q route. Q would be nice one day, very much want one some day; but the tactile, mindful, intentional shooting experience of an M is definitely a thing. Composition, choosing focal spots, focusing, and then "sniping" shots, all of that are what drew me to Leica in the first place.
Good to hear your thoughts as both a professional photographer and an enthusiast. Resonates with me as I like shooting with both of them in different contexts. Makes sense (if that makes sense)(sorry couldn’t resist😅)
Nice perspective. I set the Q2 up to be as much like an M experience as possible…rarely use the back screen except to review shots…this process has made me a better creator through being more intentional…and it’s unlikely I’ll ever be able to afford an M system. Not even a Q3 43 until they’ve been in the used market for quite a while.
I definitely prefer the M system over the Q series. I find shooting my M10-R more therapeutic. Dialing in and experiencing the shot. Even the small stuff like the shutter feels better for me. I’ll pick up my Q3 43 over my M10-R for close/tight places or for “bad weather days”. But my bad habits from mirrorless cameras (spray and pray) reappears when I use the Q3 43 😂
Solid review. I feel like they're sort of apples and oranges. I know you shoot Sony at your events as well, but the thought of using an M11 at an event seems a bit counter-productive. It's super light and can produce incredible images, but is it really the right tool for the job? I've long dreamed of owning a digital M for personal work, but i can never see myself shooting one at a fast paced event where autofocus, zoom lenses, and TTL bounce flash really shine. But part of that is that i shot 4 solid years of weddings in the beginning and then moved to mostly corporate/conferences etc. There is far less "art" in my shooting now, so an M11 would simply be a bit of a drag.
I manual focus my Q2M (because admittedly the autofocus sucks) so I feel fully immersed in the experience. One of the selling points for me is that my camera is weather sealed. I shot in Oslo for days in snow and rain and that’s something you can’t do with an M
My power DUO at the moment is an M11 + M6 (2022), I love being able to swap my 35mm Summilux and 50mm f1.2 Noctilux between the two. The ability two shot real black and white film and get different film grain structure and rendering from those two lenses is the best, there is no way that a Q3 could replicate that because you're stuck at "28mm". For the most part I can go back and forth between the M6 and M11and have a similar experience and not get caught up with "features".
Awesome video Benj! Totally agree! I’m a Q3 43 user and have to say the real Leica experience is for me personally the M System. Specially when i shoot on the OG M3 - I just love the build quality of that 50s camera 🙃
I think the 24megapixel sensor is the sweet spot for the M-series. Harder to stable handhold the high megapixel cameras - especially since they don't have IBIS.
Slightly off topic, I’m thinking about getting a Leica Q2M as a companion for a Canon R5 because I really love B&W. Following your same thought process would you prefer an M10 or M10 Mono vs Q2M?
The best camera, is that one that's with you ~ Chase Jarvis. You can quote that properly. :) Its forever my tagline since into forums. And really true. One doesn't need a fancy pants camera, to create good compositions. Have seen into 40 years too many so called Leica Snobs and Elitists, which just created rubbish bar none, silly pictures of the shoes, cats, etc...one can create with any 20 bucks used cheap digicam from the 2000s, honestly. No social insecurities, though. I have a hand of fullframe gear, from CaNikon & Sony, not Leica. And also APS-C/DX, being happy with it. Photography is for everyone - and every budget.
The training wheels comment was just over the top for me. 😂 I have both Q3's, and am totally loving the experience of carrying both. Common controls, light weight, small size, easy to setup, no sensor cleaning needed, etc. I came from Nikon (D80/D800/D750Z9/Zf) and the Zf manual focus revolutionized my photography and drove me to the Q3's along with colleagues and workshop attendees and leaders using and raving about them. Along with me normally using the MF. I also went to it for the Leica name and quality and reducing my kit size and weight. I have kept my Zf with some of my Z/S lenses, but my EDC is the two Q3's. I have never wanted a rangefinder camera. Ever. And don't expect to in the future. I had 35mm film back in the day and have embraced the digital world and don't feel the same about see the scenes. As long as I'm "seeing" through the lens, as the M's do not, I am comfortable with that. Thanks for the discussion and I look forward to your Q3 detailed review, even though I don't expect it to be that positive. 😀
one of the things i like is to set the Q3 to 35mm crop mode and use the framelines like 35mm frame in a M viewfinder... gets a bit closer to the M experience.... that said, I love my M11 to bits, but the Q3 makes sense for travel and as a dad cam.
I wouldn't mind an EVF-M or named Q with interchangeable lens mount (preferably M). Such camera would be great to have in parallel with a regular digital or film-based Leica M.
Would love to try an M as soon as I can swing it, but for now loving my Q3, despite the wacky af when there are multiple subjects. It really does feel like it's losing its mind in those moments, but even out of focus most of the Q3's images look pretty amazing to me :) otherwise I've been loving the camera so much that i take it everywhere and feel inspired to shoot even the most mundane things. I'm even contemplating adding the 43 just to switch between focal lengths but keep the same experience😊
I feel like the title of the video is a little of a click bait. I get the Leica experience comparison but this is like comparing an electric guitar vs acoustic guitar. They’re different uses. I think the a is more in comparison to the SL. The M probably stand on their own for professional photographers. To the other 90% of the population the Q is just fine. I appreciate all the Leica content.
@ I think Q3 vs M11 is fine. But when I see videos that say something like “which camera is best?” then it’s all subjective what “best” is. And as a viewer we have to be increasingly aware of the creator’s perspective as a professional photographer. I get that type of title is what probably works for the algorithm. It’s a trend I’ve noticed on YT recently. I think it’s just being mindful that as an expert your opinion is possibly influencing your audience’s purchasing decisions. That’s all I’m trying to say. I’ve found most of your videos helpful so I appreciate you being open to feedback. Thanks!
@ yeah I got that in the message of your video. I remember when I first started out as a photographer I was looking for answers when acquiring gear and if the answer wasn’t clear then I was left even more confused what to buy lol. 😂
@ClassyLB haha for sure. This one is a bit more apples vs oranges or even Fuji vs Honeycrisp or something. I dunno, I’m in an Apple State and I don’t know apples ;)
So many Leica advertorials at the moment. Sorry if that sounds grumpy as I like and follow your channel but I’ve been hugely disappointed in both M and Q purchases and so few UA-cam videos ever really highlight the negatives. IMO they’re just over-hyped and under-deliver. They’re nice objects to look at though.
After 1 month with the Q3 43 I can say.... I am so underwhelmed. AF is not accurate (particularly in continuous mode), image stabilisation is very poor and the general experience so far has been not good. I am seriously considering there's something wrong with my camera. I shoot alongside a Sony A1 and a GFX system and the image quality of the Q3 43 is not even close to those 2.
Respectfully, you need a less distracting microphone setup to showcase products. There are too many options to have something in the middle of the frame and more focused than the subjects if it's not the subject.
I just traded my Q3 in for an M11 + 35 Lux a few weeks ago, so you better say M11 by the time I get to the end of this video! 🤣
@@ab185 🤣🤣🤣
Sad that you’re relying on affirmation from a UA-camr for your decision.
@@davidmurray5926 it's a joke. Stop taking yourself so seriously.
@@ab185 only if you stop from being a bellend.
@@davidmurray5926why do you attack him for making a joke? He wasn‘t mean or anything.
Also even if he cooses to get confirmation through a video on a decission he already mate, that is his choice and would also be ok.
Every person is different!
As a Sony and now Leica photographer, here's my analogy: Sony mirrorless are the Acura NSX with hybrid powertrain and dual clutch automatic transmission putting up consistently fast track times. The M11 is a 911 with manual transmission--not the fastest around the track and if you miss shifts your times will be painfully slow, but you're connected and ever-present for the experience. The Q3 is where I struggle to complete the analogy--maybe someone can help?
Probably a macan gts
A Q3 would be some other sports car with an automatic or dual clutch transmission w/o the hybrid assist that the NSX provides. So let's say a Porsche Cayman with a PDK. It'll shift way faster than a 911 w/manual and be a more comfortable daily driver but you'll also be curious and lusting over a 911.
I have used the same analogy (only with the Sony playing the part of a Tesla)
M11 is more or less Taycan. M6 is the true 911.
Why did this make so much sense to me 😂
I sold my Q2 Reporter and my Q2 Monochrom and bought an M11-P and M11M and loads of Voigtlander lenses. Absolutely no regrets. I find I am as quick focusing with the M11 and feel much more connected and in the moment. I do miss the macro on the Q.
I am fortunate to own the Q, SL, and M systems. While the M system is manually operated, I’ve discovered that when paired with my M28 Summicron and using zone focusing, it can actually be faster than the Q system.
Thank you for your excellent work-I truly enjoy everything you share!
I get it. It’s a little like my situation. I work with a Nikon z9. It’s powerful. Fast. Can nail focus with minimal effort. Can shoot 20 photos a second doing my motorbike photography. But in my own time I use a Hasselblad 907x with 100c or the x2d. I love taking the time to look around and work things out. I feel it slows life down and I relax when doing landscape photography. Good for my head and mental state. I used to love my Leica monochrome rangefinder but I’ve fallen in love with the Hasselblad look and colours. It has give me a lot of joy. I know this sounds all very artsy fartsy but I thought I’d share.
10:30 It’s similar to the experience of riding a bike or a motorcycle vs driving a car. You’re not separated from your environment.
I have , over the past year, gone completely to Leica. I started with the Q2, then a M240 and now a D-Lux 8. They all are unique in their own way and like any tool, have their uses but the important thing is that I enjoy the experience of shooting with them. I could take good images with other cameras because there are lots of good one around, even a phone is useful at times, but these cameras make me smile when I use them.
Literally last night was looking up vids for this specific topic. I truly believe the Q is the better camera for me. I own two Q2M’s and that monochrome sensor is fun stuff. I may sell one and grab a regular Q2. The M lacking autofocus and costing so much more just doesn’t make much sense to me.
Love this comparison! I've had the thought that the ultimate Q experience for me is if it had a rangefinder.
I have been using the M system for over 10 years now, mostly with small vintage pre-asph lenses; almost made the switch to the Q343 when it came out, but instead decided to go with the M11-D and pair it with my 35mm 7 elements, which is both smaller, lighter and (hopefully) more enjoyable to use than the Q. But the Q343 is indeed a very attractive proposition.
The Q3 was my introduction to Leica and most definitely a gateway "drug" where I then purchased the M11M 35mm Summicron APO. They both have their place and I love shooting both. Be warned, if you're thinking of a Leica, you will not stop at just one.
Great breakdown as usual, Benj. From my limited use of both platforms I’d say that it is a fair analysis.
Liking and commenting for the algo's sake.
Also, as someone who's recently gone through this very question, I will say that I'm coming up on a year of owning an M10R and a TT 50mm1.4 and have zero regrets going this route.
I'm actually a little relieved that I didn't go the Q route.
Q would be nice one day, very much want one some day; but the tactile, mindful, intentional shooting experience of an M is definitely a thing. Composition, choosing focal spots, focusing, and then "sniping" shots, all of that are what drew me to Leica in the first place.
Appreciate it!
Good to hear your thoughts as both a professional photographer and an enthusiast. Resonates with me as I like shooting with both of them in different contexts. Makes sense (if that makes sense)(sorry couldn’t resist😅)
Nice perspective. I set the Q2 up to be as much like an M experience as possible…rarely use the back screen except to review shots…this process has made me a better creator through being more intentional…and it’s unlikely I’ll ever be able to afford an M system. Not even a Q3 43 until they’ve been in the used market for quite a while.
This was very helpful! Thanks!
I’d love an M11 vs SL3 comparison in this same vein.
Ive used Leica M's , mainly with 50mm Summilux lens for years, I love them and recently enjoying the Q343 immensely.
I definitely prefer the M system over the Q series. I find shooting my M10-R more therapeutic. Dialing in and experiencing the shot. Even the small stuff like the shutter feels better for me.
I’ll pick up my Q3 43 over my M10-R for close/tight places or for “bad weather days”. But my bad habits from mirrorless cameras (spray and pray) reappears when I use the Q3 43 😂
Solid review. I feel like they're sort of apples and oranges.
I know you shoot Sony at your events as well, but the thought of using an M11 at an event seems a bit counter-productive. It's super light and can produce incredible images, but is it really the right tool for the job?
I've long dreamed of owning a digital M for personal work, but i can never see myself shooting one at a fast paced event where autofocus, zoom lenses, and TTL bounce flash really shine. But part of that is that i shot 4 solid years of weddings in the beginning and then moved to mostly corporate/conferences etc. There is far less "art" in my shooting now, so an M11 would simply be a bit of a drag.
Ben I’m considering selling my beloved M11 for the Q343 for one reason. High Speed sync. I can’t shoot HSS with the M11 using Godox. What’s the fix ?
I manual focus my Q2M (because admittedly the autofocus sucks) so I feel fully immersed in the experience. One of the selling points for me is that my camera is weather sealed. I shot in Oslo for days in snow and rain and that’s something you can’t do with an M
My power DUO at the moment is an M11 + M6 (2022), I love being able to swap my 35mm Summilux and 50mm f1.2 Noctilux between the two. The ability two shot real black and white film and get different film grain structure and rendering from those two lenses is the best, there is no way that a Q3 could replicate that because you're stuck at "28mm". For the most part I can go back and forth between the M6 and M11and have a similar experience and not get caught up with "features".
Awesome video Benj! Totally agree! I’m a Q3 43 user and have to say the real Leica experience is for me personally the M System. Specially when i shoot on the OG M3 - I just love the build quality of that 50s camera 🙃
When Leica closes for good I’m convinced that the very last camera made will be an M - love Red Dot in London 😎❤️
Does it freeze?And if it does , how much time to get it repaired?
I think the 24megapixel sensor is the sweet spot for the M-series. Harder to stable handhold the high megapixel cameras - especially since they don't have IBIS.
Slightly off topic, I’m thinking about getting a Leica Q2M as a companion for a Canon R5 because I really love B&W. Following your same thought process would you prefer an M10 or M10 Mono vs Q2M?
I really loved the Q2M when I used one. If you really only want B&W and can commit to that, get a mono
@@benjhaisch I guess an alternative to a Q2M as a companion camera for my Canon is buying a film camera and popping in a roll of Tri-X.
Thoughts?
@ fwiw I’ve never regretted shooting film
@@benjhaisch Which direction would you go?
It’s so hard to know all of the intricacies of your situation, but all are good options
More Q3 videos pls, need to fill the time before I end up buying one haha
5:43 finally the mystery is solved😂 I’ve heard about that so much, now it makes sense
Great video.! I completely agree,I have both m11 w/35 cron and Q3. I feel with the M I am not taking a photo but making a photo. Thank you
The best camera is what's with you, which is probably some Leica branded smartphone cameras tbh
The best camera, is that one that's with you ~ Chase Jarvis. You can quote that properly. :) Its forever my tagline since into forums. And really true. One doesn't need a fancy pants camera, to create good compositions. Have seen into 40 years too many so called Leica Snobs and Elitists, which just created rubbish bar none, silly pictures of the shoes, cats, etc...one can create with any 20 bucks used cheap digicam from the 2000s, honestly. No social insecurities, though. I have a hand of fullframe gear, from CaNikon & Sony, not Leica. And also APS-C/DX, being happy with it. Photography is for everyone - and every budget.
@ thx for the source. I vaguely remember hearing that from some UA-camr but didn’t realize that’s a famous quote.
Interesting that you put a grip on the Q3 but not the M11.
It’s more just what was on the cameras at the time of filming. I have a grip for each.
The training wheels comment was just over the top for me. 😂 I have both Q3's, and am totally loving the experience of carrying both. Common controls, light weight, small size, easy to setup, no sensor cleaning needed, etc. I came from Nikon (D80/D800/D750Z9/Zf) and the Zf manual focus revolutionized my photography and drove me to the Q3's along with colleagues and workshop attendees and leaders using and raving about them. Along with me normally using the MF. I also went to it for the Leica name and quality and reducing my kit size and weight. I have kept my Zf with some of my Z/S lenses, but my EDC is the two Q3's. I have never wanted a rangefinder camera. Ever. And don't expect to in the future. I had 35mm film back in the day and have embraced the digital world and don't feel the same about see the scenes. As long as I'm "seeing" through the lens, as the M's do not, I am comfortable with that. Thanks for the discussion and I look forward to your Q3 detailed review, even though I don't expect it to be that positive. 😀
I’m really surprised that no one had commented on that until now hahaha
one of the things i like is to set the Q3 to 35mm crop mode and use the framelines like 35mm frame in a M viewfinder... gets a bit closer to the M experience.... that said, I love my M11 to bits, but the Q3 makes sense for travel and as a dad cam.
also - for travel - Q3 for wide/28mm and M11 with 50 summilux for reach - superb 2 camera combo.
I wouldn't mind an EVF-M or named Q with interchangeable lens mount (preferably M). Such camera would be great to have in parallel with a regular digital or film-based Leica M.
I think the vertical might be out on your M11??
So well said, Benj. Brav-oh. Five Stars.
Yeah, the experience is on M...but if you're shooting just 28mm, you can stick to Q3
Would love to try an M as soon as I can swing it, but for now loving my Q3, despite the wacky af when there are multiple subjects. It really does feel like it's losing its mind in those moments, but even out of focus most of the Q3's images look pretty amazing to me :) otherwise I've been loving the camera so much that i take it everywhere and feel inspired to shoot even the most mundane things. I'm even contemplating adding the 43 just to switch between focal lengths but keep the same experience😊
Always I will pick M over any camera ❤ M is different world .
Likening the rangefinder experience to playing an instrument REALLY resonated with me… brilliant analogy 💯💯💯
The a was fun, but the m is more of purest form of photography in my opinion. The q just didn’t have that magic for me that the m has.
Neither of those, a "QM" with Leica M mount and EVF without OVF will be vry nice !
I feel like the title of the video is a little of a click bait. I get the Leica experience comparison but this is like comparing an electric guitar vs acoustic guitar. They’re different uses. I think the a is more in comparison to the SL. The M probably stand on their own for professional photographers. To the other 90% of the population the Q is just fine. I appreciate all the Leica content.
Curious what a better title would be?
@ I think Q3 vs M11 is fine. But when I see videos that say something like “which camera is best?” then it’s all subjective what “best” is. And as a viewer we have to be increasingly aware of the creator’s perspective as a professional photographer. I get that type of title is what probably works for the algorithm. It’s a trend I’ve noticed on YT recently. I think it’s just being mindful that as an expert your opinion is possibly influencing your audience’s purchasing decisions. That’s all I’m trying to say. I’ve found most of your videos helpful so I appreciate you being open to feedback. Thanks!
@ appreciate it, the irony is that I try to leave it up to the viewer, neither is “best” it just depends on your wants/needs.
@ yeah I got that in the message of your video. I remember when I first started out as a photographer I was looking for answers when acquiring gear and if the answer wasn’t clear then I was left even more confused what to buy lol. 😂
@ClassyLB haha for sure. This one is a bit more apples vs oranges or even Fuji vs Honeycrisp or something. I dunno, I’m in an Apple State and I don’t know apples ;)
Don’t get the Leica USA guys point on close up 26ish but infinity 28mm... If there is anyone with the required skills, pls help out to understand.
Got both around the same time, quickly got rid of the Q3. Not for me, at all.
My dream camera is the M11D!
Had to return mine because of so many weird issues.
So many Leica advertorials at the moment.
Sorry if that sounds grumpy as I like and follow your channel but I’ve been hugely disappointed in both M and Q purchases and so few UA-cam videos ever really highlight the negatives. IMO they’re just over-hyped and under-deliver. They’re nice objects to look at though.
Just depends on what you’re looking for, but I’ve been making these same videos for the last 5 years or so just have expanded a bit since then too :)
@@benjhaisch Oh no, your Leica content is great!
I'd love to know what you think of the Q43, specifically IQ difference of the 28.
If you could only have one camera . . . would it ever be the M11??
After 1 month with the Q3 43 I can say.... I am so underwhelmed. AF is not accurate (particularly in continuous mode), image stabilisation is very poor and the general experience so far has been not good. I am seriously considering there's something wrong with my camera. I shoot alongside a Sony A1 and a GFX system and the image quality of the Q3 43 is not even close to those 2.
M9.
Of course m11
Respectfully, you need a less distracting microphone setup to showcase products. There are too many options to have something in the middle of the frame and more focused than the subjects if it's not the subject.
M9 > M10 > M6 > QP > everything else
Monochrom > everthing else
Pretty snobby 🤷♂️
Like a 7/10 snobby? Or higher?
@ lol I’ll be nice today 5/10!
@ I had at least two comments in there that I almost laughed at while actually saying them. Would have assumed I’d at least get to 7! Haha
Here even though I know I’d never gonna afford it 🫠