Seneca 909 45 Cal Big Bore with Hawke Scope - by Airgun Expert Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb
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Sometimes you just need a bigger airgun. And that's exactly where the Seneca 909 fits into the picture. This .45 cal monster can generate upwards of 200 foot pounds of energy with 200 grain hollow point slugs. That opens the door to all kinds of opportunities for taking large game with an airgun. You don't need to spend a lot of money for a custom built big bore, the Seneca is available right off the shelf and ready to go!
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Very impressive big-bore air-rifle. Definitely packs a wallop of energy! Thanks for sharing.:)
I wish a company would put out a Diablo pellet. The Accuracy would be great as well as the FPS. That ricochet sound is priceless.
I have taken deer at 100 yards easily with my .45 caliber 909 and my .357 Recluse. Both guns were tuned by Will Piatt of Saddle Mountain Gunsmith in Ennice, NC. I use Mr.Hollowpoint lead hollowppoint bullets and they are great soft lead. They expand easily to transfer the energy to the impact location on the game you are hunting. I harvested a large doe last season at 90 yards with the .357 Recluse and the 115 grain hollowpoint it her right behind the shoulder and took out the heart and passed completely through her. Anyone who tell s you that these air rifles cant do the job...dont know squat about air powered big bores!!!
Rich, I'm looking to step up from a MROD .25 PCP, do you suggest the 9mm/357 Recluse or the .45 caliber 909? I will be using it mostly for pig and recreational shooting.
It really depends on how good you are with shot placement and if you have the gun tuned. I had both my 909 and Recluse tuned by Will Platt in North Carolina and he really did a great job on the triggers as well as getting me much better performance out of both rifles. The Recluse is awesome with either 115 grain hollowpoints from Mr. Hollowpoint...Bob Vogel, or Hornady 140 grain solid .357 pistol reloads. If you want to talk more about the performance of both rifles you can text me and then we can set up a time to talk on the phone. My number is 706-973-9630
would the 357 or 45 barrels be able to handle copper slugs if the copper were annealed first? also is there any footage of tin damaged big bore rifle barrels?
I know you probably get air venturi ammo for free for testing, but I use the Hornady swaged .457 round balls and they are very accurate even at 50 yards about like your hi power group at 30 yards. I have the older single tube and it gets 200 fpe with with the 143 gr RBs and around 230 fpe with 200 gr ammo.
Hey there. I got some ammo for use with the review. Funny you should mention the Honady ammo as I just ordered a mess of it! I also ordered some sabot rounds for it. I'm very curious to see how it is going to perform over time!
Cheers!
AGW
Hi Rick i always see your very godd tests!!!
i have a Samyang 909 .45 since 2010 its great power gun im shooting 455" cast bullets of 254 grain at 600/610 fps that 210lb foot energy very nice for hogs at 30 yards
Seems to be fairly quiet for a powerful big bore , looking forward to more info on this one.
Have a great day Rick =)
Believe me it's not quiet. I have a LDC for mine so it's tolerable shooting it outside without hearing protection. These big bore guns are powerful, I shot some water filled gallon paint cans at 80 yards and when the bullets hit it, it seems like some kick the can about 10 feet.
nice video. i didnt know these existed..but as a SHTF gun, no worry about gun powder.
I'm late here like molasses in winter mabe worse lol. Anyway, I'm just now getting into big bores. I've been shooting air guns since I was 7. Probably before most of you were even thought of yet lol. Anyway I have a whole collection and recently just purchased this monster! If a 22 cal gas piston takes down medium size small hogs, with 30fpe or little more...geez! The possibilities this thing has with a low of 143gr and 125fpe! On low settings. Anyways, I tried mine on low power and near bout blew my ears out! Holy crap this is loud like a 2 1/2 in 410 light shell shotgun. I wasn't prepared for that. Its deffinately got power Lol it blew thru a fresh 2 in board at 18yrds and seated itself 1in. Into a cherry log! Holy cow batman! I used a .457 146gr round ball low first click power level. Jesus! It's Nasty. At 25 yards a big deer is smoked! Poor things don't have a chance with this at 50 or 60 yards high power. I couldn't imagine.Oh did I mention it sights in super easy with superb accuracy. Only took me 2 shots open sights! Stay safe have fun, keep em fly in. Ed the backyard sniper man😂✌
Ahaaa, as you say...."Max Power" !
I have always wondered if sabot would speed up the bullet. In something the 909.
And you do know, Rick, Feral hogs have been seen at the Bill Williams river.
Howard
Ari Bernstein - It's not bad on low power.. it has a good bark on high power.
Cheers
AGW
Looks like a deer slayer to me. Nice Rick!
Gary,
Yep.. I think it will do the job.. I'm also thinking coyote, hog, and other varmints.
Cheers,
AGW
I'm casting a 120gr and a 105 gr .326 for my .357 Bulldog, and just ordered a 70gr .257 in my .25 mrod (single shot trey). Hopefully I'll be able to test for accuracy next weekend. The 70gr .257 is made by arsenal bullet molds and supposed to be highly accurate, the others are Lee's. Accuracy ??? Both the 326's fit in the bulldog's mag BTW.
I'm not the biggest fan of the metal finish used on the receivers of the Sam Yang guns I've seen, something about it just reminds me of cheap cast metal toys.
Putting out some serious power though, with what sounds like the muzzle report to go along with it!
Good sir my 909 45cal shoots consistent 6” and under groups at 100 yards. 185 grain semi wad cutters.
Hi can u tets the recluse 357 pleaseee? thanks
Mario - It all depends on the shot placement and the size of the deer. I has plenty of power out to maybe 100 yards.. but accuracy and the skill of the hunter is the real key. If the accuracy can get down to a reliable 2" at 50 yards, then I'd say that would be a safe range. Generally big bore airguns are NOT long range guns.. they are close range sledge hammers.
Cheers
AGW
+Kratos000S - depends.. I like the Hatsan for shot count.. I like the sam yang for power.
cheers
AGW
Been a long wait.. still going to be longer. Not sure when I'll get to it.
cheers
AGW
I just bought one
He has a 58 cal shoots 630 grain over 800 fps on 3600 psi, over 900 fpe .
Guns are pretty expensive though, but wow.
i had the career 22 good gun 3 settings if i recall 45 60 and 80 foot pounds but the full power less than 20 shots with these new guns i would think a foot pump you would be pumping for ever when you are walking over fields you cant really carry a divers bottle on your back
We casted bullets our own. It's not that hard when you get used to. Round balls 457 and 220 grain semi wadcutters.
If I use the Benjamin pump to fill this gun, do I need some kind of adapter or will it just fit ?
no adapter needed it has a standard foster fitting.
Cheers
AGW
Just wondering if you're going to review the Sam Yang .357? If you have I cannot find it
Short answer is YES. I have one in the shop and it is on my short list to get to. I have this one: www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Seneca_Recluse_500cc_Ultimate_Hunters_Combo/4489 So it will be a bit of a long review. Maybe multi-part.
Cheers
AGW
I need something that very accurate at 100 yards and not picky about pellets or slugs
Hey rick, was wondering if you were thinking of doing a full review of the sam yang recluse as I am thinking of purchasing one. Also was wondering which hand pump is best too go with this gun and what kind of effort it takes too fill it. Also if crosmans/Benjamins ballistic tip pellet shoots well with this gun.
kram89 - I would like to get to that at some point. It's probably not going to happen for a while though.
Cheers
AGW
I have the Recluse single tube. Itd an excellent deer rifle and will do the job extremely well. Use a 115 gr. HP from Mr. Hollowpoint and you will knock 'em dead. Shot placement...right behing the shoulder or neck shot and drop em' in their tracks. I do it every season!!
I've seen these Sam Yang Air rifles offered before, but in the smaller .177 and .22 cal. Will you be doing reviews on these smaller ( read that, normal) rifles?
That 'cannon' is a tad too big for my purposes, but sure is interesting, and I am looking forward to more info on it.
I've got a video on the Sumatra .22. It's an awesome 6 shot repeater with variable power. I love that airgun!
Cheers
AGW
good video where i can buy the conection foster guy to help is grateful,.
How dose this compare to the airforce Texan ? Are they close or worlds apart? Hoping to buy one or the other for hunting.
+Trw80 - If you need one massive shot.. the Texan is the way to go.. If you plan to take more than 1 or 2 shots.. then I would go the Sam yang. That's my personal preference however.
cheers
AGW
Excellent video as usual. I like this rifle a lot but I do have a question. The 8 - 10 rd effective shooting capacity on high power sounds good but was that with the 500cc air capacity? It's awesome that some of the Sam Yangs offer the double reservoir but is that because they need the extra air storage to get the same shot capacity that other brands are getting with less air? That's one thing that has had me holding back from buying the beautiful beast of a rifle. Please let me know the answer to that question. Thanks so much and once again, great video. God bless.
+notsosilentmajority1 - yep.. that's with the 500 cc double tube setup.
Cheers!
AGW
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb Thanks so much. Appreciate the insight. I really do love that rifle.
Hey Rick, good video. I wish you luck on a group at 50 yds, I had two 909s' and neither would group at 50 yds, Sent the first one back and had my second one for 2 years and shot probably 15 different rounds through it, hundreds of them and could not get it to group well at 50, best was about 3-4" and just wayyyyy to loud for me. From a customer service standpoint they were great! Both of the 909s' were tuned and were shooting around 900fps avg over 3 shots with 150gn (270 FPE). I know there are a bunch of guys who say "mine shoots great" good for you, mine did not, perhaps with my tune I just did not find the right round.. I am not dogging the gun just sharing what I witnessed and hope yours does better Rick!
Hey there.. I'm hopeful that I'll find something that will give me hunting accuracy at 50 yards. Given the kill zone on a small deer is 4' to 5", if I can keep all my shots to 3" or 4" ctc I'll be pretty happy with it. Obviously I want better than that, but 50 yards is along way to shoot these big heavy bullets out of an airgun. As for tuning.. I'm not sure that turning things up is always the best option. I bet it's maybe 50/50 that it works out improving the accuracy AND power.
Cheers,
AGW
AirGunWeb Very cool Rick, I wish you luck with you the best with it !
I have been hunt deer, fox and coyote with these sam yang air rifle for over five years I have two 45cal an 50cal an a 357 sam yang an I have no problem shoot the out to 50,60 70 yards, an I have shoot the 45cal out to 93 yards an the 357 to 100 yards I b shoot 280gr an 200gr pellect from mr hollow point the ones I have the accuary is good this was before I get them tune now all of then is tune an they are better kill deer at 50 yards head shot with either one of them
Hey Moe Town, Happy to hear that it is working out for you, I just could not get it right and was spoiled with my Mrods grouping 1" or better at 50 yds. Pretty impressive stuff, if you video any of your hunts please share!
trpe71 You bet!
Cheers
AGW
What are you hunting? A dinosaur? Nice vid. How loud?
How many decibels and how well could it be heard from about 50 yards away
+Phantons Fishing - not sure about DB level.. certainly can be heard at 50 yards however.. heard quite well.
cheers
AGW
I'm looking for a 100yd air rifle for deer
Can you put on a magazine?
So how would you say the noise level compares to let's say a standard .22 Remington long rifle shot from a rifle in your opinion?
I think this is a bit louder.. it's a different sound than a .22 LR. Hard to describe.
Cheers
AGW
Yeah no sonic boom/ bigger bore/ powered by air.. I see Outside of my bow this seems like a nice alternative ( a bit more quiet than my 270) for my occasional 110 lb deer makes this a very tempting piece! Keep us posted on your accuracy with diff pellets. Thanks Rick!
Your reviews are awesome dude. Can you do a review on the FX Royale 500? I'm thinking about getting one very soon.
Hey there Crash. While I would love to review some of the FX products, my sponsors don't carry them. I have shot them and they are wonderful guns. Expensive, but really nice guns.
Cheers
AGW
Thanks Rick. I'm also thinking about the Air Arms Ultimate Sporter in .25, which you did a review on. Would you say it's a good crow/rabbit gun for 100 yard shooting?
Crash Taylor I love the Air Arms S510 US .25 cal. It's one of the most versatile guns in my collection. I can shoot in my yard on low power and it's super quiet.. or I can take it out to the woods and take game out past 50 and 60 yards with ease. I've done a little 100 yard testing and the conditions will need to be right, i.e. very little wind. I'm planning on getting some video of that soon!
Cheers!
AGW
AirGunWeb Would love to see some long range shooting with the Ultimate Sporter. 75 yards!!! Sub MOA, go RICK!
How far would it kill a deer? Rick
I would love to see you do hunting videos.
That's the plan for 2015.. we'll see how it goes!
Cheers
AGW
I noticed the Dragon's Claw .50 cal has 600+ fps and the Venturi Air Shotgun is used with buckshot, it is also .50 cal, but it's quoted at 1130 fps. There's no way it can be that far in difference? The Venturi can shoot "slugs" as well as buckshot, so if the Dragon's Claw .50 shoots at 600+ with "slugs", would the Venturi shoot around the same if it's not buckshot? I've noticed .45 and .357 rifles shoot at about 1200fps and in my opinion, you compromise slight bullet size for a lot more speed and penetration. For hunting deer and larger animals, wouldn't we want a .357 that shoots at about 1200fps compared to a .50 that puts out 600+ fps?
does the gun perform poorly with conical bullets?
+You So Crazy Curly Stooge - not the ones that I had available.. I found round ball to be the best option.
Cheers
AGW
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Looks good. How would this compare to a Quackenbush?
Hey there Jake,
One day I hope to be able to let everyone know. I've never held a QB gun before. I'm hoping I can entice my buddy Jim Chapman to come out to visit and maybe he'll bring one!
Cheers
AGW
AirGunWeb If you do get it all on video.
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How loud is this rifle, 22 long rifle, louder?
It's loud.. a different kind of loud however. It's not a crack like you get with a .22 lr. It's very hard to explain. It's NOT backyard friendly if you live in a neighborhood.
Cheers
AGW
thanks!!
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I would also not get the dual air tube in either gun. The single tube is the better choice for performance and lighter weight in the field. Hornady round balls are the best way to go for long range accuracy but they lack the kinetic energy of the heavier lead hollowpoints. The Air Venturi are expensive and are no where near as good as the Hornady. Plus Bob Vogel AKA...Mr. Hollowpoint has a great Selection of slugs for the Sam Yang rifles. You can check out his website and reviews of a lot of other big bore air rifles on his website...www.mrhollowpoint.com
In addition, these rifles are known to have poor triggers. Having the gun tuned by Will I also had him polish the sear and get the trigger pull significantly lighter as compared to the stock trigger. Once that is accomplished the accuracy will be even better. Although your shooting form plays a major role in ANY type of shooting, to get the accuracy you need for successful harvesting of wild game it is critical to make sure your form is developed to ensure a quick, clean harvest. You owe it to the game you are hunting to do this. I have a motto...Practice does not make perfect..PERFECT practice makes perfect!!!
You need to do the same thing each time you make a shot and that is a developed skill. It does not come overnight and it takes time to perfect it. But it takes dedication and time. Good Luck...and get one of these rifles. You will not be disappointed.
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How much FPS did you get?
As I mentioned in the video.. FPS is not a good measure because the weight of the projectiles varies dramatically. But, if you need it for your own reference: low power with 143 grain round ball was +/- 630, high power was +/- 730.
Cheers
AGW
AirGunWeb
I enjoy your videos and information is great. It seems the speed is better than I thought.
I just bought the 22. Benjamin Varmint power pack and have been testing it with some videos. I dont have a chrony, but I can tell you it has plenty of power. The heavy Pellets like the JSP Jumbo Monster 26 grain is accurate, but dropped a lot at 25 yards. Can you do a review on the Benjamin Varmint Power Pack .22cal.?
bkr360 I'd need to get Crosman or one of my sponsors to cover the production time, but if they were open to it, I'd be happy to!
Cheers
AGW
That'll knock a deer down in short order
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doesn't this gun have rifling? if so why in the world are you using round ball? doesn't that wear out your rifling?
+brandon wilkes (frazdoesmc) - lead is lead.. round ball is usually soft lead so no.. it does not wear out the rifling. I've found the lower velocity favors round ball over most cast rounds.
cheers
AGW
+Airgun Experts - AirgunWeb / AirgunWebTV oh ok thanks. But when I put steel BB's that's what happens because it it harder I guess. Thanks Rick!
Why show it if you're not going to sell it
nice rifle.
If you get a chance, check out Mrhollowpoint1 with his big bore air rifles. He has them up to 12 gauge, quigly 50 cal etc...
I definitely need to do that!
Cheers
AGW
I always considered that rifles were long range instruments while my pistols were for close range. To have a rifle that cannot get consistent bulls-eyes at only 30 yards would be a waste of my money in my opinion. And to think that a ball is the most accurate ammo is to take the rifle back to musket days and pre-Minnie Ball losing most, if not all, of the rifling effect. I dunno. I've spent some time looking at air rifles today in a desire to keep muzzle blast down and from what I've seen so far on this channel I'm not impressed with them. But then I'm totally unfamiliar with having to have a rifle "tuned" after sighting it in and all.
I'm really disappointed, with air ventury they are out stock with product and amo all time
Waste of money when you have no air you're screwed
if you have a hand pump its fine just like black powder guns and its just as old of a method too
Again the Air Venturi ammo are letting the rifle down. I know you probably have to use that ammo because of the sponsor but if you really want to not do a "fluff" review change your ammo.
robinsonmac Hey there Rob. Please give me the benefit of the doubt here would you? At the end of the video I clearly said that I was not done with this gun. I've ordered about $250 (out of my own pocket) worth of various ammo choices to continue my work with the 909. Being new to big bore airguns, I wanted to test what the normal individual would probably pick up so they would understand the out of the box, readily available, performance potential. There will be more to come.CheersAGW
I love your videos usually,
So iv still given this video a thumbs up/like.
But i have to say it look horrible.
The stock looks like its poor quality, in fact it looks like the wood is joined in the middle.
On screen it looks two different colors???
Thanks for you input.. I'm not sure what to tell you.. it looks great on this end...? Maybe there's an issue with youtube processing things? Not sure. I've got 1080p here with crystal clear video and images. That's very strange.
Thanks for letting me know. I'll keep an eye on it.
Cheers
AGW
its ugly