Hatsan .35 CAL BIG BORE BT65 Quiet Energy - by Airgun Expert Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb
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It's finally here... I've been waiting for Hatsan to retool the BT65 for something larger than the .25 and today we'll take a look at their .35 caliber. I've been working with them for a couple of months to dial in the necessary changes to this rifle and I believe we have a winner. With 18 useable shots and topping out at just over 95 FPE, the new .35 cal BT65 Quiet Energy is going to make a lot of airgunners really happy.
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Thank you Rick!! I haven't chronied it in a while and not past shot 12, but out of the box I can easily put three mags in a 2.5" circle at 45 yds, and many times much tighter than that. From what I can tell, not much changes out to 18 shots. I seem to have gotten a really good rifle, and I'll give up a few shots for some more power. I'll try for the 110 like you said. Thanks again!
Im so glad Hatsan appears to have incorporated the noise suppressor's into a lot of their popular models, including the 85 break barrel and such. Excellence!
Great test, great results. Way to go Rick and Hatsan. You've made a lot of big bore air gun enthusiasts very excited!
Hey there Guys, I just made this LIVE and now I'm going to bed. Happy New Year! Please go ahead and leave your comments. I'll get to them in the morning.
Cheers!
AGW
Sweet !
Hey Rick, happy new year.
Been waiting to see your review of this monster for a while. Huge power, despite being so quiet. While I have no use for a rifle like this I still appreciate the solid review, and the evolution of airgun technologies.
Cheers
Ian
Thanks Rick for all that you do. looking forward to the spring so I can put the Hatsans in action....
Baxter Walton
You beenwaiting a long time ummmmm I have been waiting longer.... Happy New Years !!!!!! Thank You for your dedication to air guns an to stay up on new years eve to post two of long awaited videos........ an again Thank You!!!!!
Thanks Tim and you.. and all my viewers and supports are very welcome and appreciated.
Cheers
AGW
That is a monster of an air rifle. There's a fair bit of recoil, by the look of it!
It must use heaps of air to put out circa 100 fpe. How many fills do you get from a standard scuba tank, and what pressure does it take in the air cylinder?
Best video yet Rick!!!!! I will save up.
Hatsans magazines are the best I've seen on a pellet rifle. For 1. its metal 2. may survive cracking, or breaking if dropped, 3 . inexpensive, 4. they appear to be strong. 5. hardly any moving parts from what I see.
HAPPY NEW YEAR ! Rick!
It has snowed up here. And the javelin have raided the cold frame again! The Hatsan 125 spring noise gives too much warning.
This Hatsan BT65 sounds like it might cure the problem.
Howard, Meade View, AZ,
Hey there Howard. Cecil and I need to come up and see you guys up there. It would be nice to get in some hunting. Email me directly and give me your address and location. I want to see if there are any left over tags to be had in your neck of the woods.
Cheers!
AGW
As far as SOUND GOES I have both the 125 and BT65 QE both in .25 (my experience is the bigger the pellet the more stable it is. (I also have three .22's in a name brand guns Springers and a Nitro))
Ricks test seem right on, only comparing the BT65 (I haven't cronied the 125 I know it's tough on a scope)
SOUND, lets say this,I like lots of wild life in the back yard so my shooting consist of targets, EXCEPT FOR CROWS, too loud and run off my song birds.
I HAVE SHOT @ 50 YARDS TWO DIFFERENT CROWS IN THE SAME TREE within 5 seconds, IT'S THAT QUIET. I have shot 2 crows @ 86 yards on the ground 8 feet apart again so quiet I didn't spook the 2ed crow.
PLUS, recoiless, you can quickly adjust the scope because of seeing from pull to impact. ( I have actually shot a few yards away from pray when shooting over the lagoon to see my hold over, and two things, staying with a pellet instead of a bullet (I have used 43 grain bullets in this BT65, very stable but loss of energy (the 31 grain H & N's gave me 61 lbs energy) Bullets carry, ricochet, pellets don't, they fall off if they touch your target in any way, one of the huge safety advantages of pellets.
I have been hunting for a bigger gun for hog hunting and "dreamed" only if I had the BT65 in a bigger caliber, Well, for an old gun, dreams never come true, until today. If only it was in a Bullpup, but I'm being too wishful .
Changing from 125 (springer to pcp and then to hatsan BT 65) if you notice the youtube video's a 100+ shot isn't uncommon, but what most of these guys aren't telling you, is they are not experts or spent a lot of time practicing. the first day with the BT 65 and the hawk sidewinder, 100 yard shots were 1 " after less than 100 shots.
IT'S THE GUN, NOT ME. THE GUN IS JUST THAT ACCURATE, it's heaven sent to the novice. head shots on small game @ 100 yards can be done with confidence. I had a previous BT65 had to send it back, the second wasn't as accurate. The first was a never miss gun, this new one gets groups over 1" @ 100 yards, the other "never ever" had a flyer.
Sometimes it's not about the energy it's about the penetration levels of the projector you kill a critter with was force or penetration or both but shot placement everything when hunting so I say actress is the most important thing
Looks like a lot of fun. When is Hatsan going to put good swivel studs on their guns? Would be nice to see them drop the ones they have and go to a standard stud so we could use good swivels.
Oh javelina will come into those calls you got give them a try if you get to go.
Don't know on the swivel studs.. would be nice to see a US version that was more compatible with our gear over here. Maybe they'll consider that for 2016.
Cheers
AGW
About the "receiver mounts". Is there a limitation, or anything an owner of one of these should know about what size of rings to buy? I understand the REAR ring is critical. Also, High, or Low rings?
Thanx
Mario - if you follow the rule of 1 foot pound of energy to 1 pound of game, so long you keep your game to 85 to 95 pounds or less, I would imagine that you'd do well out to 35 to 50 yards. Beyond that and you'll have dropped too much energy and may not deliver a one shot kill.
Cheers
AGW
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb Hey! I didn't realize there was even a formula for FPS and how much energy it takes to effectively kill a animal of x amount of size. Thanks for that info! Seems simple enough and that certainly makes sense! Loved this video btw. I've been a fan of your reviews for quite sometime, and I am gona get a Hatsan break barrel due to your great video reviews.. seems for the money that Hatsan delivers all the goods at a reasonable price... sure its not the Ferrari of air rifles, but it has most of what the Ferrari has for a LOT less cash... Impressive!!
Van Calloway - Thanks for the kind words. It's not a perfect formula, but at least it is a starting point.
Cheers
AGW
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb hey thanks men... Wich gun you think is better sam yang 909, dragon claw, or this one for deer hunting.
Adding on i love ur reviews and always try to watch them.
Hi Rick, any PCP's you'd recommend for hog hunting?
+hardkore71 - First.. I have limited experience in this arena.. but what experience I do have, I would look to Evanix .357 or bigger.. their full size rifles not the carbines or bullpups. Also the Sam Yang .357 and bigger.
Cheers
AGW
any other pellets you recommend for the Hatsan .357 cal. Big Bore Air Rifle to use for hunting?
Hatsan sent me a 130s QE with a broken rear site. I don’t have the money for a scope so what would you recommend I do?
Sweet rifle! One thing I do wish, though, is for more .35/.357 air rifles to be around the 110~ ft lb range. Extra oomph, and less rainbow trajectory. The gap between .30 and .357 energy outputs is generally not that large, either. I realize they are trying to balance shot count and power and sometimes being limited by the platforms themselves.
Sometimes its just the physical limitations of the platform. The BT65 really tops out at the .35. I believe it would take some work to get to that 120 FPE range. As it sits, it may not produce the same top end power as other .357 big bore rifles, but it has great, repeatable accuracy and really decent shot count. In my book, that's more important than hitting the 100 or 110 fpe mark. But that's just me. If you've just got to have the 110+ FPE, this may not be the right product for you.
Cheers
AGW
Thanks for the response, Rick! Probably right about that, and not necessarily talking just about the bt65. It seems a great deal of .357's are around that 100 ft lb mark?(im guessing to keep at least a decent shot count, is the main reasoning). Just a bit more energy to widen the gap from the .30's and to flatten that trajectory out a tad. I reckon tuning one for more power, as long as it retains accuracy is not out of the question either.(Which Id imagine it would, since diablo style pellets generally stay accurate to 900~fps). The .30 BT65 peaks my interest with it's pretty strong power and flatter shooting. What stops me from picking one up is the weight, 9.3 lbs is quite the package.
joshua12345676 An added benefit of the .35 is for those states that allow hunting with airguns and have set the minimum caliber at .35. Arizona is a good example. I'm very curious to see how the .35 and .30 sales progress. These are really good guns that are accurate, quite, and should be very affordable as compared to other big bore airguns. But, yes they are heavy.
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AGW
Hatsan never should have released this .35 caliber until they increased the power. They are advertised at 730fps.. and if that wasn't bad enough... that was the maximum you could expect from a .35. Mine only shot a high of 702fps...I had to disassemble & enlarge holes , change springs and make a new transfer port to get the FPS over 800 before I could take a shot at a Coyote or a larger animal. Finally, after spending so many days & trying so many different methods , it's shooting very accurately @ mid-high 800's. I could take this gun & go deer hunting with my Daughter if I decided to.
Hello Rick. I am now ready to increase the power on my .35 Carnivore. Right now it's pushing 81gr JSB's at an avg of about 710fps. What would be a reasonable expectation in fps for this rifle and still maintain accuracy and reliability??
Why do reviews on air guns at the range have music playing? ?
Would like to hear what the gun sounds like firing.
Rick, what are your thought about the up coming Benjamin Bulldog .357 cal and the Hatsan .357 cal? The Bulldog claimed to get "stunning 200 foot pounds of energy (FPE) when using the Benjamin eXTREME™ airgun 145 grain hunting bullet by Nosler®. Shooters can expect up to 10 usable shots on a single charge" while the Hatsan only get 90 FPE. Could the Hatsan go up any higher than the 90FPE?
I guess we'll see how marketing meets real world. It's all theory until I actually have one in my hands to test. As for the BT65 at 90, it's actually putting out a little over 100 on the production models. The extreme spread is about 30 fps across the first 15 shots. (Crosman said they were getting about 60 fps spread over the first 5 and then it started to drop more rapidly to 10 shots) I'd rather have 15 really consistent shots at 90 to 100 FPE, then 2 at 180 or 200 and then have to chase or guess the POI for the rest of the string. For me and what I'd be hunting with the .35, 90 to 100 FPE is more than adequate. If I wanted more power for bigger game, I'd simply step up to something . 45. But that's me. I know that 2 or 3 "good" shots at 150 to 180 may be just what some folks are looking for. We'll see if she delivers!
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AGW
I like how this "no fluff" fluffy guy explains everything with no fluff
Fluff you
Oh fluff off!
What is the one gun sitting on the tripod in the background?
What Air rifle shoots the farthest with the most power? In terms of deer hunting.
Did you ever retest cast bullets in the newer barrel? I plan on using cast bullets only and remember they did not do well in the first barrel.
Not yet.. the new .35 barrel is probably going to be a lot better with the cast ammo. It's sized a bit smaller than my original prototype. I hope to get to some more testing when I get back from SHOT.
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AGW
I want this rifle!!!
I will post this on both calibers:
How about showing a shot string with a nice pellet/projectile, please?
Any idea about the initials on them? SB= ?? I thought smooth bore, perhaps?
Shot string in what regard? Are you asking for a chrony tape? The JSB pellets are the best I've found so far in this gun. I'm purposefully staying away from FPS because it's not a good measure as to an airgun's true performance. However, if you want to have some idea of how the JSB Pellets are doing: High - 728.7, Low - 687.6, Average - 710.9, Extreme Spread - 41.0, Standard Deviation - 11.6. That's across 18 shots, i.e. 3 mags.
Also, SB stands for "side bolt"
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AGW
Ppl don't release that for 399$ price tag .it good bargain considering u buy 9mm pcp that capable of taking big game .I use 98 grain hollow point slug. 800 ft 100 pounds of energy. Plenty of power with right shot placement 75 yards. Great rifle for the price.
So if the Hatsan AT44 shoots this well how does the AAS510 compare? I would like your top pick for 70 yard 1 inch group rifle with enough power for rabbits at thst range.
They will probably both give you 70 yard power and accuracy for small game. The difference will come in the refinement of the gun. If you are looking for pure utility, then save your money and get the AT44, or other Hatsan Variant.. however, if you want a vastly more refined airgun, the AirArms is the way to go. I love both products and both brands. They resonate with two very different sets of airgunners.
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AGW
Look out Sam Yang, Day State, FX airguns here come Hatsan big bore airguns hold onto your hat.
Rick, have you tried penetration tests on sheet metal? I wonder if the .35 is as good as the .30 is in this department. I doubt it due to the lower velocities.
You guys need to test for penetration in gelatin as they do for firearms. Would perhaps be the best way to quantify power as well as putting everything on the same page so to speak.
Hey there David.. I completely agree. I've approached several vendors and manufacturers about sponsoring the testing and production costs for such testing. I'm still waiting for something to open up.
Cheers,
AGW
How about doing your own?
David Watts That is the plan, but it takes resources and the allocation of time to put into it. As this is my full time job, I have to work on projects that are fully sponsored. As it is I'm putting 12 to 14 hours per day into the work just to try and keep up with what's currently on my plate. I'm fairly sure that I'll be able to hook up with someone after SHOT that will be willing to fund the materials, testing time, and production costs. If and when I do it, I want to be setup to begin cataloging all the various pellets and calibers across all airgun platforms and create a comprehensive library of that data.
Cheers
AGW
Hey Rick, I'm ready to turn up the power on my .35 Carnivore. Right now it's shooting the 81.02 gr JSBs at about 710fps avg through 12 shots. What kind of velocity can I expect to get while still maintaining accuracy and dependability.
you can get a little more power out of it but will lose shot count along with the increase in power. You are pushing 90.64fpe you should be able to bump it up to 110fpe without any major modifications and retain accuracy.
Cheers
AGW
hey rick happy new year. my bt65qe cocking bolt is rough gritty out of the box i hope it smooths out with use .but it is very accurate. 25 cal'
If only they would put the Galati cocking lever, but they must have they're reasoning. ,
Albert Clay That lever won't work with the BT line of guns. I would expect them to have something new for 2016 that expands on the Big Bore line of offerings. Let's hope that folks like these (what's not to like!) and that Hatsan see's the benefit of moving forward in the Big Bore market.
Cheers
AGW
How do you compare the Hatsan 125TH .25 a Hatsan Sniper 125 .25 and/or the Hatsan 135 .25?
Personally I prefer the 125 over the 135. The 135 is very tough to cock and not something that I would just pick up to go shoot for fun. The 125 takes the edge off a little while still delivering good energy and range. It's just more shootable in my opinion.
Cheers,
AGW
How does this rifle compare to the Hatsan Carnivore .35 ? They both look the same to me.
This is the Carnivore. I did the review before they were named.
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AGW
Can it kill a deer with at heart and lung shot and at what distance...
You could hunt deer with that up to 50 yards, maybe a little more. And turn around and get a rabbit or such. That thing is awesome. I may have to check into that. Also is it actually .357/9mm?
Jake, it will handle a wide range of ammo sizes. They are using .35 caliber to keep things simple. The .35 cal JSBs seem to work really well with round ball being the next best so far. I'm going to try casing my own ammo for this down the line to see what other options are out there.
Cheers
AGW
AirGunWeb Do you know if the barrel is choked?
hey rick i have had my heart set on the evanix sniper in 9mm and was getting ready to purchase it ,, but i own quite a few hatsan rifles and they are all super accurate ,, speaking to a couple companies who offer both guns i am told the evanix is a more accurate gun at 50 yards for small to medium game hunting ,, but i wonder if they are just telling me this because the price of the sniper is so much higher ,, seeing that you have reviewed both guns ( you reviewed the sniper in 45. cal) what is your opinion?? thanks
I've not shot the full length sniper at 50 yards yet. I hope to soon. The Max ML shoots about 2" or so at 50 yards. I'm told the sniper will do 1" or so at that distance. I like both guns for very different reasons. For a bench gun at the range, I LOVE the Evanix.. for a hunting gun in the field, I'd probably choose the Hatsan if you made me choose. It's such a hard choice for me because I like both for different reasons. I believe the Evanix will put out more power, at least across the first few shots.
Cheers,
AGW
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb thanks rick ,, big help!!
Thanks for a great vid Rick! So I have been waiting for a "quiet" big bore and this might be it, I have a safe full of powder burners if I want noise. I had a 909s and it was far to loud and far to inaccurate for me but I have one main question to ask about the BT65. I have a couple Mrods and they are highly tunable, is the BT65 tunable as I enjoy tweaking and tuning my guns? I have been trying to get info on another .357 that is supposed to be coming out soon but it is hard to get info on it so I am glad you posted this.... I am not a fan of bull pups and no one will tell me if the "someday to be released" bulldog is suppressed so I doubt that I will wait around to find out so the BT65 might be my next AG.
You can tweak the BT65. However, it's running pretty much maxed out with the .35 caliber. I'm not sure it's got much more in the tank in the way of power in this caliber. The .30 cal is a different story. There's some room to tinker on that one. I'm heading to SHOT in a couple of weeks. I hope to see Crosman's new .357 and maybe get to work with one next year.
Cheers
AGW
AirGunWeb Thanks for the info Rick! Let us know what you see at shot, it seems like you only get tease info on the Bulldog. I just want someone to tell me if it is suppressed, but cant seem to get that info.. I do like the BT65 and it is in the running..
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb
Hi Rick...Any news about the possibility of increasing FPS on the .35 cal ? Can it be 815 FPS like the cricket that produce 115 fpe ?
Abdallah Faour - possibly.. that's quite the stretch for this platform however. I may just not be practical.
Cheers
AGW
Is the 88fpe at 50 yards?
Sir i want kral puncher braker plz tell how is it
Always a fan, Rick, but can you turn off that constant ad screen behind you when talking from the bench? Its distracting so that I have to block it with a Post-It-Note.
Also, the Hatsan is called "quiet energy", but you don't talk about its noise level. Looking for a big bore (9mm or larger) in the 80dB range.
NY State is considering opening up big game hunting to airguns of .30 cal or larger, so I am looking very hard at the 9mm offerings.
Airgun Experts - AirgunWeb / AirgunWebTV Airgun noise: Yeah, someone needs to line up all the common commercial versions and shoot them side by side in one sitting. And we need a standardized dB measuring system for our hobby.
I didn't realize you got paid for the scrolling video screen. I thought reviewing the products would have been enough.
+TheWhiteleather - The studio setup, including the display, is part of the whole package that I use to provide value to my sponsors.
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AGW
Is this 35 cal a choice for deer/hog hunting like the video rick another good one from air/gun/web
Yes. I wouldn’t consider it a vital shot deer hunter though. Headshots only and 75 yards and in.
Hi can i shoot cast bullets 356" ,357" 124 grs in this rifle ???,Thanks
Not sure.. I'm going to do some more testing once I get some new ammo in stock.
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AGW
I'm looking for an airguns to harvest deer at 100yds.. ???
Nice video. Which caliber was the most accurate out of the .30 cal and .35 cal?
countrykang8 - I think the .30 is slightly more accurate at all ranges. The .35 puts more energy on target and meets the minimal caliber requirements in some states for hunting with an airgun.
Cheers
AGW
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb
Thank you for the quick response. Now, I know that I will be purchasing the .30 cal. I'm all about accuracy.
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Hey slim... if you gonna put in a sponsor's link, put one in of a sponsor that actually stock the gun instead of telling me "3-6 months"!!
I love airguns but can't see myself getting a big bore for anything. My .22 PCP is used purely for small game and hasn't let me down yet, even with big raccoons. If you want to extend your range a bit then yeah I guess they're fine but to me hunting with airguns is like using a bow get as close as possible, it makes it more challenging and fun. I don't get why people ask can this take a deer?? It's producing less every than a .22lr... would you use that for deer? No.
CA Airgunner - while it may produce less FPE than a .22, it will create a much bigger wound channel and most likely pass clean through a small deer. With proper shot placement it would be effective. Is it the optimal choice? Probably not. But airguns should not be compared to firearms. They do the job differently. Having recently been out hunting with the .35 while others were shooting .22s, hunting jack rabbits, the .35 was vastly more effective. All the rifles got the job done, but the authority with which the .35 put down game, really opened my eyes up to how they can be a very good option of tough game.
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AGW
There's that, it creates a bigger wound, bigger round bigger kill-zone definitely which for sure will be devastating on small game. I'm just stating that air rifles are exclusively for small game. Two reasons I've seen big bore shooting big game like deer and basically they don't go down easily, and that's within 60yd, but I get it, it's about shot placement and getting close to your quarry. The other is that I don't know of many places in the U.S. that allow big game hunting with airguns, private land may be different but not sure. So if shot placement and stalking is needed I'll stick to a bow, that's my opinion though.
+CA Airgunner - it's a personal preference for sure. I've seen some big game put down where they stand with airguns. It's not only doable, it's done with great success on a regular basis. Take the new Texan for instance.. up to 500 FPE and 100 accuracy. That will blow clear through just about anything (within reason) that stands in front of it. More and more states are opening hunting up to airguns, usually with a minimum caliber, i.e. .35, .40, etc. Each hunter needs to make the personal decision as to whether it makes sense to them or not.
On the other side, I've seen some terrible "hunting" with bows and firearms that was just embarrassing and disturbing regarding the shot choices they made. I think it usually comes down to the guy or gal behind the weapon, not necessarily the weapon.
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AGW
Do you know when this will be available for sale to the general public?
Don't hold me to it.. but I believe a limited number have been air freighted to select vendors here in the US. You may be able to get the new .30 and .35 here very shortly.
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AGW
AirGunWeb Honest opinion:
Evanix Sniper 357 or Hatsan QE?
Rashad Goff Man that's a real tough one... But lucky for me I haven't shot the Evanix Sniper in .357 yet :) so I really could not form an objective opinion yet. It would come down to a person's price ceiling and aesthetic preference. I hope to meet with Evanix at SHOT later this month. Maybe they'll loan out one of the .357 snipers for some "extended" testing :)
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AGW
Well if you make it to TX you can borrow mine Lol. I like it a lot. Fairly accurate, power to spare, but it is so loud I might as well use one of my ARs (spoiled by my Marauder I guess). Was thinking of getting one of these or a Benjamin this year instead.
Rashad Goff Where in TX? I'm heading to the El Paso / Fabens area around the end of March. This rifle is very quite. I only wear ear plugs when shooting in the shop because how loud it is when the pellet hits the bullet trap. The gun itself is very quiet, sub 100 DB.
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AGW
Hello and great video! I'd love to buy this gun for my son and myself for x-mas father son time. So where can I buy one like yours? Thank you for your time.
What caliber (.30 or .357) would you recommend for 100+ yards small game. Groundhogs, squirrels, and pest birds?
.22 lol this is way to powerful for small game like that!
@@Xtreme_Airgun_Slugs so can I hunt a deer with this 35 or the 30 caliber?
@@Xtreme_Airgun_Slugs both the .30 (85 ft/lb) and .35 (105ft/lb) have less ME than .22LR (120-190 ft/lbs) lol. I like to go after groundhog with a .30 muzzleloader, so I'd think the .30 would be nice for closer distances, but the .35 would allow you to throw heavier projectiles, maintaining energy and velocity out at longer distances.
Airguns suck compared to firearms, always have, and most likely always will. Still fun and challenging to hunt with, due to their severe limitations. Even the big, "powerful" .50's out now struggle to match hunting handguns, let alone rifles.
Anyone having problems with the Auto Safety Mechanism?
Anyone having problems with pellets not loading?
I have a hatsan in .357 and it seems to have issues with about every 3rd or 4th shot the safety not releasing, I have to remove the magazine, cycle the bolt then take a shot. This is not something that should happen in a Hunting Rifle. I am very disappointed although I want to see if there is a fix.
I also believe the magazine design is terrible with the O-Rings, why not make it smooth like the Sumatra with a semi tapered magazine and front loading pellets? makes for better seating. I am going to be looking into having a machine shop I have access to milling me a new magazine that will work better, I saw where one person used some plastic sleeves on the inside of the magazine and removed the o-rings and is getting better bolt cycling. any thoughts?
+gamohunter - contact HatsanUSA about the issues. That is what their service department is there for. As a note. The .35 cycles pretty hard. The pellets fit tightly into the breach and that's just the way it is. The side bolt is not a smooth easy action. For that look at a side lever like the Evanix Rainstorm II.
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AGW
I contacted them a couple of times, no response...
So I reached out for some help from other subscribers.
+gamohunter - how did you contact them? If you fill out their customer service form they usually get back to you pretty quickly, i.e. couple of business days. If you fill out the form and do not hear from them, let me know and I'll try to help out.
Cheers,
AGW
My Ruger American 30-06 cost about half what this thing does with about 10 times the muzzle energy. It is slightly noisier though... : )
Well 30-06 ammo is very expensive if you compare it with airgun pellets but sure thing, Airguns are much more expensive and a bit chunky compared to a real firearm. I just find both to be just as fun :)
Harbard I totally agree. That's why I have 18 air guns and only 5 powder burners. Can't really shoot the 30-06 in my garage either. LOL
Have fun with both if can.
You can't compare apples with oranges, my friend. Dynamite is even cheaper and will kill most things quite effectively!
gone rydin Besides the cost of ammo, sound and long range tumbling ballistic ( Depending on what state you're from)the air gun doesn't require a background invstigation, doesn't require a wait period, proof of firearms safety training, can be shipped in the mail, does not require an FFL, can be carried in your vehicle unlocked....etc. etc. etc....come on guy keep up!!
The scope is way to high for any great accuracy, the scope objective lens needs to be just above the barrel. Looks like a sales pitch to me! ATB from England.
Hey there. Scope height only plays an issue if you are changing distances between shots. Having a scope closer to the barrel is preferable, but not necessary for accuracy. Also, you can easily optimize your scope's zero based on scope height which mitigates the change in the point of impact. Lastly, if you work with your gun and scope, it's easy to document hold over and compensate with the mil-dots.
Cheers,
AGW
Got to shoot 100 yards accurately period!
When can i buy one
You can preorder now.. should be in the first of next month!
Cheers,
AGW
Great informative video on a great product. Though you say it's quiet? How can we tell through the STUPID music that's playing!?
backyard friendly?
in comparison to marauder?
Chris mccall It is not as quiet as the .22 cal marauder.. but it's certainly not "loud" either. Backyard friendly would all depend on your back yard. The impact energy is 3+ more times what you get from a .22 marauder. The sound of the projectile hitting the target will most likely be louder than the gun's report.
Cheers
AGW
Airgun Expert & Critic - Rick Eutsler / AirgunWeb one more question , in your opinion which do you prefer, the .30 cal or the .357 and why . Thanks
Chris mccall I like both for different reasons.. I like the .357 for the power and consistent 50 yard accuracy. I like the .30 cal for the long range potential and as an all around small game gun. It really depends on what my goal may be.
Cheers
AGW
damn,,,, another music video,,,,
turish trash