1849 Colt 31 caliber sighting in
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Blackpowder is VERY durable. If powder didn't get wet and the caps didn't get soaked in oil, it WILL go off a hundred years from when you loaded it.
There are muzzleloaders found in the attic, loaded decades before, that went off no problem (sometimes accidentally as the finder thought they were not loaded... )
During WW II the french actually used leftover barrels of XIX century black powder to make improvised mines...
I have an 1800-1830's era flintlock pistol, found in my uncle's barn in CT. It was guesstimated to be that old, and was LOADED. We pulled the ball, wad, and powder. And yep, that old bp fired right up.
@charliekline2386 that’s wild! And what a great find.
if you file down the front site it will have the opposite effect and group even higher. thats actually better than most of the cap&ball revolvers ive had that hit really high. try replacing the nipples with one of the improved designs. the nipples that come on those replicas have a much larger hole than the historical examples ive seen. the cap should be quite tight requiring a bit of pressure to seat it. also try deburing and polishing the hammer face right where it hits the caps. the purpose being that the rough edges of the hammer dont pull the deformed cap off the nipple into the action. the spent cap should stay on the nipple until the next shot blows it off when its to the side and has room to drop free without gumming up the works. damn good shooting!
Thanks! And yes I wasn’t thinking when I said I’d file it down haha. And I’ll give those things a try, it’d be great if the caps stopped falling down in there.
I added a higher front sight and filed it down to point of impact at 25 yards at the range bench.
How’s the grouping?
Did all that on my Uberti and a few other things too. They all make sense and I am ready to try my hand at blackpowder. My first bp gun.
@@OverOnTheWildSide They make specjal smaller diameter bronze nipples too that are really good and look redicuously cool! Helps improve ingition.
I know it was 10 feet, supported shooting but that was ridiculously accurate for black powder cap and ball. I've seen so much worse.
That’s true, I didn’t think much of it at the time since it was supported but yeah, for a small pistol like that it’s pretty significant.
Love the clothing and accoutrements!
Thank you
I always enjoy watching to see what you are going to do what’s next. Keep em up.
Great video! Because of ammo prices I am shooting a lot of black powder firearms. I kinda come to the conclusion that if I were only armed with percussion weapons I could get by and feed myself. Also file the notch in the hammer don't touch the front sight. Looking forward to your next video!!
I’m feeling the same way about my muzzleloaders. And yes I’ll file the hammer not the front site, I was talking faster than I was thinking.
I did enjoy, interesting watching someone shooting and admitting he’s not an expert but enjoys shooting once in awhile. Stay on the wild side😊
Loved the video brother. Keep shooting. I just bought an original Winchester 1873 rifle in 38-40 caliber, made in 1896. I'm in love with it!
I’d be in love too, congrats!! That’s a beautiful weapon!
Practice makes your good better and your better best! Thank you for the video.
DON'T FILE! You need a taller front to lower the point of impact.
Yes thank you!
Hacksaw blade or a small triangular file will open up and deepen that rear notch and can bring that point of aim right in.
Ah thanks, I need to get back to shooting that and get the sights adjusted.
Thanks for sharing and I am very interested to see a vid on yr Walkers.
I’m glad to hear it, I’ll be getting to it in later March most likely.
I actually have two. One is a very old replica with a 6" barrel of all things and at ten yards it will take out a beer can pretty easily. The other is an Uberti that is much nicer looking with a 4" barrel and a bit harder to shoot accurately. One tip that makes these guns very cheap to shoot is that #00 buckshot is exactly the right size for a ball for the gun. a 4 pound bag is a lifetime supply lol. On all my replica revolvers I first nickel plate everything that is not color case hardened and ream the cylinders to bore size if needed. Then I stiffen the hammer spring which really helps with cap jams.
I bought a 1849 (02-20-24) and was pleasantly surprised that I only had to do the basic things you have to do to any BP revolver. It makes up for all the work and new parts I had to do to the 1862 Pocket Navy to get it to even function. Now I have all the colt cap&ball Colts revolvers ever produced except the baby Dragoon that I consider in the 1849 category and may not buy one.
Was your pocket navy a Pietta? I’ve seen some that are in pretty bad shape even when new. My ‘49 is a Uberti.
The little guy can group! I've noticed mine shoots a little bit up into the left. Gotta file those rear side to bit To make it print right on the bull's eye
Cool video using era correct firearms, I understand why you don't do more firearm videos to stay true to your content. As I gun guy I do appreciate these types of videos and if you incorporated a few more even just doing era correct pieces you'd probably attract more viewers. Not that you need them or care, just a thought. So happy I stumbled across your channel, it's quite refreshing.
I suspect you’re right, I was surprised at how well this video did.
Guess I should have waited to the end of the video to comet cause I have more than 2 cents. I strongly suggest keeping the walkers and get a pommel rig. Then get Remington for the belt . I produce my own design bullets for both rigs. 165 -220 for the small. 44 and 240- 270 grains for the ruger/walker setup
Yeah it’s still undecided. I had a buyer for my Walkers but I couldn’t let them go.
I have an 1860 now that will likely be my belt gun.
Great video brother .. love the shooting .. Onward and Upward is the watchword.
Thanks Jeff!
Loving the content!
Gives me a taste of freedom
if you want the easy fix for caps go with a conversion cylinder, Kirst makes a 32 cal & 22 cal with barrel inserts for that revolver, have the 32 in mine but hard to get ammo for, throw some 45 conversions in those Walkers! :)
I was going to do that but I found those conversion kits aren’t designed for regular rounds. 850fps is the max recommended. So the cap and ball give as good or better ballistics.
Except for the .22, that one is still a consideration.
@@OverOnTheWildSide I've been firing them for years with smoke less up to 1000 fps, no trouble so far ;)
Yeah they surprisingly are capable of fantastic accuracy. I’ve been using 00 buck shot (.330) with 15gr of 4f averaging 950fps, and can keep them in a dip can sized area at 15yrd.
Forget the cap shaking technique, use a piece of hacksaw blade as a helper spring underneath the hammer spring (mainspring) and get some SlixShot nipples and never have reliability issues again. Just make sure to polish the side of the “helper spring” in contact with the bottom of the mainspring so it doesn’t scratch or etch and might potentially cause breakage.
Thanks for the input. I’d need to see a picture or a video of the hacksaw addition.
@@OverOnTheWildSide
I just opened up the mounting hole on one end of the hacksaw blade so the mainspring screw fits through, then put the mainspring on top and scratched layout lines, then gently ground each side to the shape of the mainspring. It goes up to about 1/4” from the top. Adds about half to the tension so the caps don’t blow back and fall into the action. Since it’s not seen it doesn’t have to be pretty lol. I’d make sure to polish the side that’s against the mainspring so it doesn’t scratch or score.
Richard I was in a gun shop the other day and found a original Colt 1849 pocket pistol. It was $ 1219.00 so I could not afford it at the time. But I heard they used to glue the caps on with a mild glue back in the day. If you can only fire 5 rounds without reloading why not . The caps would stay on then. Just for your fyi. Oh most people use shot from shotgun shells to reload those things.
That’s pretty cool, I’d love to own an original. And yes, I’ve started buying buckshot to cut open for roundballs. It works really well and it’s cheaper than buying shot for some reason.
@@OverOnTheWildSide Modern ones have steel not iron I have a 49 that needs frame repair ar the cylinder ring area on the frame Thankfully my 49 cylinder barrel works on my Uberti 62 police
Yeah quite fortunate.
Don't know about you, but I always figure that pretty much any pistol is more accurate than my ability to shoot. I think you shot an excellent group!
Haha well said!
I loved this video Richard! Ssssoooo very excited to see black powder firearms being utilized. I love the walkers, absolutely a blast to shoot any BP arms!!! They make a conversion kit for the BP 44 cal to shoot 45 long colt and a conversion kit for the BP 36 cal to shoot 38 long colt.
You can convert this one to a .22
@@bentalbert350 that's pretty cool, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
@@peterott9162 sure can this is actually a .31cal 1849 pocket pistol, (the 1847 colts were the colt walkers)you can buy a conversion kit and line the barrel and shoot .22s. I've not tried it but I've heard they're pretty nice.
@@bentalbert350 thanks again Ben, much appreciated!!
Yes I hope to get a .45 conversion for one of my Walkers! I’ve thought about .22 also.
The video is great and the accuracy on that is incredible and shows how consistent your process is great job
Thank you
If you file that front sight down you're going to shoot even higher. As for the round balls moving forward even after you cut a ring of lead, make sure your chambers don't have an imperceivable burr. Load all of the cylinders (you can do this without powder and then knock them out after, or load it with the intent to shoot) and then when the round balls are seated, make a snap with your wrist several times hard like you're cracking a whip. The round balls shouldn't move. If they do, and you cut a ring of lead, then you've got a burr (from the machining process) that's overhanging the chamber mouth and even though you can't see it, it's microscopically making the round ball undersized for the inner walls of the chamber. Essentially, the overhanging burr cuts off a little excess lead and once the round ball gets past the burr and into the cylinder itself, it now has a little bit of wiggle room. You'll need to knock that burr down very carefully with a drill press and an oiled dremel grinding stone. It'll only take a fraction of a second on low speed to do this. Mark the offending chambers so you don't do the other ones unnecessarily. I had issues with Pietta before, but not Uberti.
That’s very interesting, I don’t know that the balls are slipping forward it was just something I dealt with on my muzzleloader rifle so I was being cautious. I’ll keep an eye out and see if they do.
As far as filing the sight, that was just a dumb mistake. My brain wasn’t functioning properly and I made a couple mistakes like that. Lots to think about I guess haha
The Pietta 1863 Pocket Remington is an awesome well made product.
I am in the process of developing a solid stepped, healed Wadcutter for the Pietta Pocket Remington and the Uberti Pocket 31 caliber Colts. Which will offer the responsibile user the ultimate power factors in the 31 caliber especially for Trappers.
Custom made molds will be available in the coming months.
That sounds like a great option.
@OverOnTheWildSide
The new bullet will offer the responsible user the ultimate power factors out of the Remington and Colt, etc, 31caliber cap&ball percussion revolvers.
Check out the various test videos of my 36 and 44 caliber Kaido Ojamaa-VKJV Universal Bullets here on UA-cam.
The Universal Bullets can make a difference, making a cap&ball percussion revolver into an effective Defacto Magnum to bring the user home safely with the wild game.
Best Wishes.
I was surprised at how accurate that little cap and ball is. I would not change a thing as far as sighting goes. Some of the suggestions in the comments for the nipples and the like, I will try myself. Great video.
I was surprised as well, and quite pleased. You’re probably right about leaving it alone, I can guesstimate it when I’m actually using it.
Slixshot makes cones that prevent cap sucking. Eras Gone makes a great .32 caliber conical which will imcrease the energy transfer of your gun. Loaded with pyrodex or 777 you'll have a formidable heater.
Is a cone a nipple? Is it their normal one or a special one?
I love your channel! I aspire to do some of the things you do. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! I hope you get to!
What size roundball are You shooting? Generally speaking, .321" soft lead roundball are recommended for ".31 Cap-and-Ball" revolvers; they provide a very tight fit in the chambers, and should give better accuracy and velocity. I'm pretty sure that LEE makes a .321" RB Mould. Although I haven't shot my Colt 1849 .31, I put many miles on a Lyman "Remington NMA .44" that I bought in the nearly 80s. These C&B Revolvers are surprisingly accurate and powerful!
Yeah I think they’re .318 I’m gonna need to find .321. Hopefully at the mountain man trade show in March.
That's a winner of a pistol..
So the true answer to your question is yes you can file down your rear sight, though limited as to how much. My preference though is to replace the front sight for a taller one, and adjust from there. Fixed sights have been adjusted centuries.
Now on a personal note where you are at looks like home to me. Damn I miss the Rockies and Wyoming.
That sounds like the best solution- taller front sight.
Yes I love it out here, I sometimes with it was Wyoming.
File the groove in the rear sight deeper
Yes thank you, I got that wrong in the video.
I like the size of that revolver. I have two 1851 Navies in 36 caliber and they are a little difficult to carry. Plus, double-ought buckshot is .32 caliber. When I am loading shotshells the 36 caliber balls do not fit well in a shell, compared to 32 caliber balls. They sit in groups of three in a 12 gauge shell. So, the 32 pistol and then shotgun combo would be nice.
Yeah good points, I’ve been buying buckshot and using it for roundballs. Turns out it’s cheaper than buying roundballs or shot and I have a dual purpose round.
@@OverOnTheWildSide wish I would have known that before going for 36 caliber. I make my own black powder and have been experimenting with shooting slugs and pumpkin balls with my 12 gauge with it. I bought those Lee molds and melt the lead over a propane burner. I have done it on a campfire. Anyway, my large projectiles are not very accurate, so I'm thinking buckshot would be best for hunting deer in brushy areas: riparian areas are my favorite anyway. So, it would be nice to be a .32...sorry I realize it is .31 now...duh...would be nice to be a 31/shotgun "person".....anyway cool pistol you got there. I see Dixie Gunworks is not in stock with the 31s right now....I don't have 400 bucks now anyway...time to save up for one....
That’s cool you hunt with a shotgun, I’ve considered getting a percussion one to do that here.
If you’re really regretting it I’m sure you could sell them. Then get a .31 and a .44…
00 buck pellets work perfectly in my Remington Pocket 1863 so worth to try in yours since it's the same caliber.
Yeah since making the video I got some buckshot and it works well.
I hope you didn't touch that front sight! Good video but you didn't disclose your load either...there is solutions if you can't find tighter slugs
Yeah my brain wasn’t working, I know better than to file the front site to drop the round. So yeah it’s all in tact.
I found buying buckshot and cutting them open is cheaper than buying a bag of lead balls and they fit very nicely.
I need to make a video on it.
By all mean's keep the walkers but add at least one 1860 , same ball less load , easer to just grab ,point and shoot . I have a Dragoon 44 and a 1860 myself . just for that reason .
It’s funny you say that because this year I ended up buying an 1860.
you can play around with it a bit to increase the reliability. one thing i would recommend is not to slowly pull the hammer back like a modern target revolver. it was actually designed with a quick rotation in mind to throw the spent cap so using a deliberate and brisk cocking motion will help your reliability a lot. another thing that helps is while cocking to point it in the air with a slight angle to the right if safe to do so. you can also polish the face of your hammer and file a very shallow and slight "v" groove on the face of each nipple to direct the gases. this guy blackie does a good tutorial ua-cam.com/video/YUgZ5LYnscM/v-deo.html
Thanks
I bought the bullet mold from Eras Gone By, its patterned off of the original Colt dimension for Mini-Ball I also saw that #00 Buck Shot is supposed to be a good round ball size
The 1860 would be a handy upgrade, but I understand keeping the Walkers. In my opinion the New Model Colts lack personality and pack a little less power than I like for their chamberings. (.44 doesn’t hit like a .44 . .36 doesn’t hit like a .36 .)
Yeah it’s tough to go away from modern rounds. We’ve made such great advancements in our modern weaponry.
Some people will add another main spring which helps with caps being blown back
I enjoyed the video that was some good accuracy I mean they're not thousand yard Shooters I mean it's it's a card table distance thing
Yes exactly. Also thanks, I didn’t expect this video to have the level of interest it received. Eventually I need to do more of them.
Slug diameter too small? Look up buck shot diameters you might find a buck shot that will fit. Just cut a few hulls apart ...save the primered brass for other stuff
Wrist Flick! Remember the Wrist Flick!
Thanks! When I get back to shooting it I want to make that a part of the process.
HAY, Filing down the front site will male it shoot way HI.. CAUTION***** CAUTION**** If you must, file the notch a slight bit in the hammer. First test with the proper sized ball.
Yeah my brain was off that day. I was also calling it a .32 (or I did in the title at least) but thanks, that would have sucked if I’d actually done it haha.
I hope momma doesn't get mad about her new ventilated drawer.
Ha!
Good stuff find the right size ball and order a mold to cast your own bullets. Saves money.
Yes that’s what I’m hoping to find, once I find the right size like you say. Hopefully at the trade show coming up in March.
@@OverOnTheWildSide I’m you have trouble finding a mold let me know. My relative has a few contacts that may be able to make you one.
Awesome thanks, I’ll let you know
Oh wow, that is a ram, lol. Thought it was a dog holding a ram horn for a second. Good grouping. You're hitting "minute of card cheat" well enough. As everyone said, you want to file the back. You probably have that figured out by now though.
Thanks, yeah I was overthinking on the site filing thing. I generally know better but was making mental mistakes that day.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
NO! Please don't sell the Walkers. Would be great if you make additional video's about actually using the Walkers and what that would have been like for the original mounted soldiers and Rangers who had to use them with the pommel holsters. Thanks!
Thanks for saying so, I hope to have videos like that this year. I believe I’m keeping them and want to make a set of holsters for my saddle.
Make some custom grips, helps the accuracy
Did you watch it? The accuracy wasn’t an issue.
Yes and you’d be surprised what some fitted grips will do.
Would love to see an update on this. Kinda interested if you can stretch it out just a bit farther. Seems like it would make an excellent little arm for "pot game" ( hares/ptarmigan/grouse) provided you could make a decent aimed shot. By casting you own I bet you can keep the cost down comparable to .22
Good idea, I do need to make another video with this one and try further distances.
PS, super lot of fun.
Thank you
Dang Richard you guys still have snow out there huh?
I do, I’m up at 2500’ so a thousand feet higher than in town.
Where did you get your 1849?
My brother found it at a shop in Arizona.
Nice grouping brother.
In order to bring your group down you need to install a taller front sight I carry a pietta 1851 in 44 I will try to get a photo of her
I know, I was making a lot of mistakes on that video. The title initially said .32. I had a lot on my mind I guess.
не знал даже что были безгильзовые револьверы шпилечные Лефоше только видел
Please don't file the sight.
Haha thanks! I was talking faster than I was thinking. I would’ve thought it through more when setting to it.
Gotta ask, what is that fine hat?
It’s a vintage western fur felt hat that I reshaped. I suspect it’s 1970’s or 80’s.
Don't file the front site! That will just raise the pattern. Your aim should put the bottom of the spot just on top of the front sight. The top of the front should be centered in the hammer notch and even with the top of the hammer notch.
Oh, forgot. After you fire a shot, as you cock the hammer be vigorous, or raise your arm a'la Andy Devine as some of the old western movie cowboys did. It wasn't just for show. It was a carry over from the days of cap and ball revolvers. Helped prevent cap jams.
Yeah, that was a mistake, saying that I would file it down. My brain wasn’t working very fast that day, I made a few mistakes. For instance, I also called it a 32 caliber.
hornidy double aught buck .330 works the best. Black Powder "shooting done fun"
Yup, I’ve been finding buckshot rounds 15 for $8, and taking them apart. It’s cheaper than anything I’ve found in bulk.
I would like to know about your 49 holster
It’s just a flap holster a guy made. If you’re looking for one I can connect you with him.
I use 323 in 31 calibers pockets
1847 colt 32 nice shooting maybe I’ll add you to the Earp vendetta Ride and maybe I’ll name you creak Johnson I’m Wyatt Earp and Drew Ellsworth is Texas Jack
Sounds great! And yeah I made a mistake, 1849 .31 pocket Colt. Haha a pretty public mistake, oh well.
@@OverOnTheWildSide oops sorry. But By the way here’s the link to my UA-cam channel ua-cam.com/channels/-cUcJrXjQCpGRN6hGPwPWw.html
Don't file the sight, your front sight needs to follow the bullets to adjust properly. I am glad you are getting good use of the property, my dad and mom owned it and my mom is the one who sold it to you. Have you found the snake den yet?
Oh cool! Thanks, no I haven’t found it yet, do you know where it is?
@@OverOnTheWildSide yes, well kinda a general vicinity. Where the house is go across the creek and just over half way up the hill towards the landing with the gravel pit is. It is right on the edge of the bigger rocks. In the fall all the baby snakes would be congregated in that spot along with a few adults.
@@fallfeveroutdoors8000 thank you I’ll take a look in the morning. Do you know where the petrified stump is?
@@OverOnTheWildSide yeah, I think so. It has been almost 15 years since I have been up there. Life just gets busy. But there was 100% a den on that hill side. I have killed a lot of snakes up there.
@@fallfeveroutdoors8000 I’ll be looking for them this spring. I foresee a lot of rattlesnake stew being eaten this year.
Due to the caps hanging up you should switch to slix Tricks nipples
That’s what others have suggested. I’d like to try them eventually.
I always thought it was an 1849?
Haha thank you, I did too but I guess the video making stress had me confused.
Slick shot Nipples will stop a lot of that cap suck business. I put em on my Wells Fargo and not one cap jam since doing so. Uberti recommends .033 round balls which happens to be exactly what a .00 buckshot ball is. The Lee .00 buckshot mold makes the perfect size. I cast about 400 of them juts for that gun. Cheap ammo. Regular buckshot won’t work well as it has antimony in it and too hard.
Great info, thanks. I’ll have to keep those in mind.
where can one acquire such diaper headwear friend
I’m going to assume that’s a typo and you wrote “dapper”. Mine is a used Resistol fur felt hat that I reshaped.
I find hats often available on Marketplace, good quality hats come up for 50-$80 quite a bit.
Excellent on the money aim 3 inches below