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Uberti .31 cal Baby Dragoon, Puny or Deadly?

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  • Testing water jug penetration with a standard load in an Uberti Model 1849 revolver. The test will provide velocity and muzzle energy results using a chronometer and will compare the results with more common modern pistol rounds.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 241

  • @johnberry2877
    @johnberry2877 3 роки тому +11

    My father, a combat marine in the 1st in WW2 always carried a pocket 22. He said a 22 is absolutely a deadly round and that the 22 will be the round that will probably save our nation in the next revolution

    • @jumpkickman1993
      @jumpkickman1993 3 роки тому +3

      That is because our tyrannical government will first round up the larger bores first and it's way easier to hide.
      Honestly I could see these new high power PCPs like the Texan or Benjamin bulldog 357 being used in assassinations due to how quite the slugs are.

    • @saltcreekammo
      @saltcreekammo 3 роки тому +2

      Anything can be deadly if put in the right spot, but there are standards to self defense as framed by Evan Marshall and Edwin Sanow and their extensive study of self defense ballistics.

    • @wildrangeringreen
      @wildrangeringreen 2 роки тому +1

      @@saltcreekammo which are accepted by very few, outside of gun-rag-writers paid to advertise new stuff for the major manufacturers... been that way since the 1940's. The reality is that humans haven't changed in 10,000 years + - a couple thousand, if it worked then, it would stand to reason it'll work now.

    • @exexpat11
      @exexpat11 2 роки тому

      True. You liberate with two 22 behind the ear. Then you take their standard issue.

  • @gijoe508
    @gijoe508 3 роки тому +35

    aw man, I had just convinced myseIf didn’t need to buy a baby dragoon

    • @henrykrecklow817
      @henrykrecklow817 3 роки тому +4

      I beat myself up about getting one for about 2 weeks then finally gave in and got one. It's really a nice revolver. I've also done the mods on it that Mark from era gone bullet molds recommended.

    • @drmachinewerke1
      @drmachinewerke1 2 роки тому

      I’m getting one 2nd purchase. 1st is a 62 navy.
      3rd is going to be a Uberti London Sheriff

    • @usualsuspect5173
      @usualsuspect5173 Рік тому

      I have one of these, it's been laying around for a few years and I've never shot it. Can't find a decent nipple wrench..

    • @markweaver6688
      @markweaver6688 Рік тому

      If your going to the range. The buffalo model or target model is the best . Baby dragoon fits better in your pocket. Get them all . Lol

  • @blackoracle69
    @blackoracle69 3 роки тому +9

    GREAT JOB SIR..IN MY TEST I ALSO FOUND THE 4f THE BEST CHOICE AND BERFORMANCE WAS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU SHOWED..ELMER KEITH SAID HE USED A 49 AS A DISPATCH GUN FOR BIG BOBCATS IN TRAPS SO IT IS TO BE RESPECTED..THANKS FOR THE VIDEO..SAFE JOURNEYS

    • @doranmaxwell1755
      @doranmaxwell1755 3 роки тому +2

      I use #0 buckshot for very inexpensive shooting. It runs around .321 but the chambers are .317 so... no problem

  • @johnmcclain3887
    @johnmcclain3887 2 роки тому +6

    I bought a second generation Colt 1862 Navy in 1980, right as they were remaking their cap and ball revolvers, carried it and a model 94 as home defense weapons, as a Marine on active duty, picked up a new Uberti, "pocket police", a 71, in the box, almost forty years ago, not well finished, spent a couple years stoning the frame square, flat, re-color casing it, and used it twenty years, at our home, "retired", in farm country, NC, next to a creek, and that pistol killed at least a hundred substantial snake, copperheads, water moccasins, eastern diamond backs, with both ball and shot, and along with a North American Arms 22 magnum, was the mainstay as we cleared fifty years of brush, wife and I, over about five years. This was no surprise to me, I've never chronographed or tried to measure energy, simply because I was quite please with its "live performance". I still keep one in my chair in the living room, it's deadly, accurate, and I never have to buy ammo, I just make it. I've got five or six 32 acp's, a 25 acp, and they only barely reach a similar, not equal performance. I used to think the non-expanding full metal jacket responsible, but now consider the higher velocity, with less friction, resistance, is responsible for the better performance. The thirty six navy has usually been fired with 25 to 30 grains of Goex, and a 38 doesn't compete. Thanks for the chronograph, and the clear evidence of "penetration". Semper Fidelis, John McClain

    • @jumpkickman1993
      @jumpkickman1993 2 роки тому +1

      I chronographed the 1851 Navy with a 145gr Kaido conical and I got and average of 1025fps. That's 325ft-lbs equal to the 9mm

    • @hamm6035
      @hamm6035 2 роки тому +1

      You look just at the numbers the .31 was responsible for more deaths than all the others. Usually a week later they passed. Not especially quick but effective. No antibiotics back then.

  • @63DW89A
    @63DW89A 3 роки тому +5

    VERY impressive! Quite a rupture effect on the first jug too. You've effectively demonstrated that, properly loaded, the little .31 packs considerable wallop with the conical. A .22 LR will not do that much damage even with HP. A .22 Mag will. Also Swiss 4Fg would likely hit 950 + as it is a hotter powder than GOEX. Swiss would pretty well approximate the true ballistics of the Hazard powder actually used in the 19th Century with these revolvers. Swiss 4Fg is similar to Hazard #1 Pistol Powder, and Swiss Null B (5Fg) is close to the Hazard Cartridge powder provided to makers of revolver combustibles. The cartridge powder was made by Hazard at Sam Colt's request when Colt began revolver cartridge manufacture in 1855 with the unpopular short lived foil cartridges. Colt switched to paper envelopes in 1858 and revolver combustibles became very popular.

    • @wilsoncalhoun
      @wilsoncalhoun 3 роки тому +1

      Even if that wasn't the case I'm pretty sure the .22 lr holds the record for most dead civilians. Yeah, small calibers may not do great at range but up close and personal they'll still give someone a very bad day.

    • @lorenray9479
      @lorenray9479 2 роки тому +1

      An old fed fighter told me he keeps a 25 auto for the chance of being choked from behind. He said a 25 would take out a felon with a head shot without hurting himself from excessive blast.

    • @lorenray9479
      @lorenray9479 2 роки тому +1

      As a youngster I shot a deer with O buckshot. Two pellets to the lungs, but one to the back of the scull. The pellet bounced fore and aft enough to mush up the grey matter. It landed on its head at a DEAD run.

  • @notsosilentmajority1
    @notsosilentmajority1 3 роки тому +7

    Very impressive. It went a lot further than I thought it would. Great camera work as well.

  • @ericv7720
    @ericv7720 Рік тому +3

    I think movies do cap & ball pistols a great injustice, because they were fully up to the task. The .31 was no exception!

  • @Predalien195
    @Predalien195 3 роки тому +7

    I'd love to see a modern cartridge conversion for this in something like .32 ACP or .32 S&W Long. A lot deadlier than people give it credit for. While I've not heard as many people say it's as deadly as a .22, one thing they forget is that's .22 out of an 18 or 20 inch barrel usually. This is a much smaller gun by comparison shooting a bullet that's double the weight from a much shorter barrel.

    • @oregonoutback7779
      @oregonoutback7779 3 роки тому +1

      Kirst & Howell use to make them, but both stopped.

  • @dbmail545
    @dbmail545 3 роки тому +8

    My first pistol! I shot single "0" buckshot (.32 caliber) through it and learned to clean it with Ballistol.

    •  3 роки тому +2

      i think that is the best thing about these, using "0" buckshot....would make a nice companion with a shotgun for SHTF bugout

    • @JB-wj6vc
      @JB-wj6vc 2 роки тому

      Interesting choice why was that your first pick

    • @johnmullholand2044
      @johnmullholand2044 2 роки тому

      I can't seem to find "0" buckshot, but I can get .350 round ball. Not too hard to seat, and definitely shears off a ring. Makes a somewhat oblong little pill, 32 diameter by 350 length. Almost like a wadcutter.

  • @henrykrecklow817
    @henrykrecklow817 3 роки тому +5

    I double checked because I thought I saw Clint Eastwood using one of these in the outlaw Jose Wales. Sure enough he did and had it in a shoulder holster. I just received mine and have started the molds on it can't wait to try it out.

    • @txdocprich_8404
      @txdocprich_8404 3 роки тому +2

      Clint used the 58 pocket .31 in Pale Rider.

    • @SmallCaliberArmsReview
      @SmallCaliberArmsReview 3 роки тому +3

      You are correct. I did a video on making my version of Josey Wales shoulder holster.

  • @jacobmccandles1767
    @jacobmccandles1767 Рік тому +7

    With round ball, yes, a .22.
    With conicals more like a .32 acp or 32-20.

  • @jjmonju
    @jjmonju 3 роки тому +5

    Interesting video, Mark. A simple solution for my Dropping Loading Lever was to snap the spring loaded catch out several times. Using a flat blade screwdriver push the catch into the rod all the way. Slide the screwdriver out of the way to allow the catch to pop out quickly. By doing this several times the catch stuck out slightly more than originally and provided for a stronger grip.

  • @williammccaslin8527
    @williammccaslin8527 3 роки тому +2

    That was truly impressive, who would have thought this would be the results of a shooting test, I'm impressed to say the least that a small caliber would have that much penetration, Thx Mark for the vid.

  • @txdocprich_8404
    @txdocprich_8404 3 роки тому +7

    So, those who are sold on size and power, lemme tell you from experience, shot placement rules the day, every day. You are now free to carry any caliber you choose, happy choosing.

    • @crumply5959
      @crumply5959 3 роки тому +2

      I mean the IDF special forces used 22lr pistols for a long time so yeah you’re definitely right

    • @SmallCaliberArmsReview
      @SmallCaliberArmsReview 3 роки тому +2

      I couldn't agree more!

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 3 роки тому +2

      "Shot Placement: Because I Don't Care How Badass You Think You Are-- _Nobody Shrugs Off A Bullet To The Eyes!"_

    • @SmallCaliberArmsReview
      @SmallCaliberArmsReview 3 роки тому +1

      @@BogeyTheBear that would be somewhat irritating!

  • @lutherpayne9957
    @lutherpayne9957 3 роки тому +3

    You do your job, and the little .31 will do it's job. I love shooting black powder pistols. It's a lot more enjoyable that burning through cased ammo. Thanks for the demo.

  • @SmallCaliberArmsReview
    @SmallCaliberArmsReview 3 роки тому +4

    That's because you were using soft water, the hard water at my place would have stopped it in 2 jugs! Lol! Great video I need to pick some of those up soon.

  • @therightisright8276
    @therightisright8276 3 роки тому +6

    Surprisingly impressive!
    I like others assumed it to be a shooter of about 450-500 fps with little penetration and better results from throwing a rock but this ain't no punk and I sure as hell would NOT want to be the unlucky recipient of a shot from it!
    Its closer to a .38, which was an equally popular choice in the 20th century prior to 9mm autos taking the lead before everyone started buying crazy big calibers today.

    • @wildrangeringreen
      @wildrangeringreen 2 роки тому

      with bullets:
      .32 percussion revolver= hot-loaded .32 SW,L or .32 LC... or standard .32 ACP
      .36 percussion revolvers= standard .38 Special, hot loaded .38LC or .38 SW,L, or standard .380 ACP
      .44 percussion revolver (belt models)= .45 Colt, hot-loaded .45 SW, .45ACP
      .44 Percussion revolver (Horse models)= early/standard loadings of .44 mag
      with balls (less penetration for all the following):
      .32= .22wmr out of an SBR, but with a bigger hole
      .36= .32ACP, but with a bigger hole
      .44 Belt= .38 LC, bigger hole
      .44 Horse= .38special, bigger hole

  • @weaintfree
    @weaintfree Рік тому +3

    The added weight of the conical definitely improved performance over the round ball. The 4F probably gave it a little more Ummph over 3F powder.

  • @Leverguns50
    @Leverguns50 3 роки тому +4

    Very interesting results, ffff is perfect powder for low capacity, some of Samuel Colts powders looked like the granulations was about as fine as the 4 F powder we use today, which is why the later colts had smaller cylinders because they started using better powder, a lot of people complained that they kicked too hard , if you load them like modern people they have no recoil, so either the powder was different or people were wimps back theme lol, Nice looking bullet, looks like it performed really good

    • @63DW89A
      @63DW89A 3 роки тому +2

      Leverguns 50 back in the 19th Century, FFFFg was considered pistol powder, FFFg was "rifle powder" and FFg musket or shotgun powder. In 1855, at Colt's request, Hazard Powder Company, manufactured a special powder for Colt's new foil revolver cartridges, called "Hazard Cartridge Powder" which was an extremely fine grained 5Fg. You will see combustible cartridge packets from Colt, D.C. Sage, Johnston & Dow, etc often marked "Made of Hazard's Cartridge Powder". The closest modern black powder to Hazard #1 Pistol Powder in actual performance is Swiss 4Fg, and the closest to "Hazard Cartridge Powder" is Swiss Null B(5Fg). The 5Fg should never be loose loaded, but only used in a paper powder envelope to prevent powder dribbling thru the nipples and setting up a possible chain fire. Traditional combustible cartridge loads with 5Fg are roughly 10% conical bullet weight. Before loose loading 4Fg, change the nipples to quality replacements having very tiny flash holes. I only use 4Fg under conical bullets and keep charges in the 10% to 15% conical bullet weight range. For full powder charges under round balls in revolvers, I stick to 3Fg.

    • @Leverguns50
      @Leverguns50 3 роки тому

      @@63DW89A Plus by 1860s or so they were starting using some Brown powders that were hotter than black powder, they just charred the wood not turning it all the way in to charcoal, they said it produce tire velocities with the same amount of powder.

    • @63DW89A
      @63DW89A 3 роки тому +1

      @@Leverguns50 I've heard of the brown powders, but have not had a chance to research them. Would be interesting to make some of them! I'd like to make a few small batches of replica "Hazard Powder" using willow charcoal and compare to Swiss to see how Swiss/Hazard would compare. The fascinating fact coming to light, [as Mark's valuable and informative .31 test demonstrates!] is that the percussion revolvers, properly loaded with correct powders, operate at a considerably higher power level, than has been commonly believed for many decades now!

    • @Leverguns50
      @Leverguns50 3 роки тому +1

      @@63DW89A the regulators in the Kentucky area back in the early 1800s used dogwood charcoal to make their gun powder

    • @wildrangeringreen
      @wildrangeringreen 3 роки тому

      @@63DW89A almost swiss 0B granulation, from my understanding, basically coarse dust

  • @northcentralindianawx
    @northcentralindianawx Рік тому +6

    Just made me make up my mind. Guess my Dragoon is gonna have a child. 🤣

  • @Ostenjager
    @Ostenjager 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you for doing this, and thank you for using *conical bullets!* Everyone else always uses round ball.

  • @alancoughlin989
    @alancoughlin989 3 роки тому +5

    Great video! Very informative. I have several cap and ball revolvers, all Navy caliber, save for my 1849 Uberti Pocket. Small as it is, it is my favorite. I recently purchased one of your .31 bullet molds but have yet to try it out. Now that the warmer weather is here, I shall remedy that very soon! (I always cast outdoors). Again, a great video with some really useful information!

  • @douglasmaccullagh1267
    @douglasmaccullagh1267 3 роки тому +3

    I wonder how easily I can convince my wife to let me spend the money on another black.powder gun and bullet mold? Very impressive demonstration, Mark. I never expected a 31 Colt Pocket to stand up to 32 ACP. Wow.

    • @eljuano28
      @eljuano28 3 роки тому +3

      Two words: "day spa."

    • @eljuano28
      @eljuano28 3 роки тому

      That'll work too. 😆

    • @douglasmaccullagh7865
      @douglasmaccullagh7865 3 роки тому

      I asked, and her reply was, "It's your money." So, I dipped into my savings account and ordered a "Wells Fargo" version.

  • @marcroche9324
    @marcroche9324 3 роки тому +4

    Good demo!, Your bullets make that little gun perform.
    Now I am thinking (again) about getting one of those little guys!
    - if I could find one LOL!

  • @professorpewpuew
    @professorpewpuew 3 роки тому +6

    That looks like a big velocity jump over 3f in my experience. 700ish with a 50 grain ball.

    • @doranmaxwell1755
      @doranmaxwell1755 3 роки тому

      I agree. I do not get real high velocity with Pyrodex P or double f

  • @1.forestrunner
    @1.forestrunner 3 роки тому +3

    Good job, I would not have expected that!

  • @MrThomass281
    @MrThomass281 3 роки тому +3

    Awesome video and bullet molds. Just wish they were in stock.

  • @noahbianchi1920
    @noahbianchi1920 2 роки тому +3

    Also keep in mind that in 1848 a huge amount of pistols you came across were still single shot. Given that the odds of a my adversary carrying a single shot or even a bow I probably would have felt quite comfortable carrying this revolver.

  • @History_Coffee
    @History_Coffee 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for putting some actual data out on this gun!

  • @blackpowderfirearmenthusia3194

    Great video, I tried the baby Dragoon 330 77 conical bullets in my Uberti .31 caliber Wells Fargo revolver and I was very impressed with the penetration over round balls. Thank you for the video.

  • @exexpat11
    @exexpat11 2 роки тому +1

    The number one pocket defense pistol of gamblers and miners post BP Single Shot Derringer and Pre Center Fire 2 Barrel Derringer. They put a lot of hurt out there for it's size.

  • @453421abcdefg12345
    @453421abcdefg12345 3 роки тому +3

    A very interesting conclusion! The penetration of this light bullet is amazing, not sure what alloy you used, but the bullet was barely deformed after passing through 5 jugs, 5 jugs must be equivalent to at least two people, so it is more that sufficient for any self defence in the 19th century, and of course it was not the penetration that caused trauma, but the infection, with very little chance of medical attention, that would make a potential assailant think twice, stay safe! Chris B.

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  3 роки тому +2

      Pure soft lead. I'm surprised it did not deform more than it did.

    • @453421abcdefg12345
      @453421abcdefg12345 3 роки тому +2

      @@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 Well, that is a surprise, traveling at around 900fps I would expect it to set up on hitting water, at that velocity water would be like a solid mass, I wonder if a ball would perform much more different to that in penetration and setting up.

  • @kurtbatman8062
    @kurtbatman8062 2 роки тому +6

    80 gr at 900 fps really ain't that bad for a pocket gun.

  • @aaronschmidt169
    @aaronschmidt169 3 роки тому +2

    Proud to be the first to see this! Thanks for sharing Mark!

  • @matbhud
    @matbhud 3 роки тому +4

    Othias sent me. Great channel.

  • @jasontelford723
    @jasontelford723 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video. The funny thing is I just got this same pistol Friday.

  • @tatache5971
    @tatache5971 3 роки тому +2

    I kinda like this small gun which has some kick! I would like to see some long-barreled replicas one day.

  • @cowboywoodard2569
    @cowboywoodard2569 10 місяців тому +1

    This,is fantastic comparison, I have a very rare S&W 32 LONG.I HAVE SEEN OTHER TEST I THINK YOU DID ONE..HOW a 36 AND a 9mm comparison, it would shock a lot of people that's for sure

  • @PilotTed
    @PilotTed 2 роки тому +5

    Based on the fact that a .22 Short is still deady, I have no doubt the .31 cal is deadly. Anything bullet can kill if aimed right.

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert 2 роки тому

      But in defensive situations isn't the object to incapacitate a target rather than kill them? If the crazy guy attacking me with a knife is strung out on PCP I'm not sure a .22 or .31 would stop him.

    • @massmedia7158
      @massmedia7158 2 роки тому +4

      @@twistedyogert a bullet though your heart or spine will stop anyone no matter how big their pain tolerance is or how high they are. Bigger bullets do more damage, no doubt about that but as long as the projectile can reach far enough inside to hit the important parts they can stop the attacker.
      That isn’t to say that a .22 is just as effective as a 9mm or that a .31 cap and ball revolver is just as strong as a .36 or a .44 cap and ball, they not. In fact if you don’t hit anything important with a .22 or .31 cap and ball the weapon is much less likely to stop an attacker.
      Simply put they CAN stop an attacker with proper shot placement even if they are hop up on drugs but if you miss the important parts like the lungs, heart, spine, brain, etc they won’t do much damage

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert 2 роки тому +4

      @@massmedia7158 These things wouldn't have been popular if they weren't good enough to stop an attacker. From what I've heard, selling these pistols saved Colt from going under.

    • @massmedia7158
      @massmedia7158 2 роки тому +1

      @@twistedyogert exactly

  • @simplemann101
    @simplemann101 2 роки тому +2

    If your going for a .31 cap and Ball, the Pietta "Remington" pocket revolver is the bee's knees. A little more difficult to find these days, but a sweet little pistola nonetheless. Solid as a rock... being so tiny with a topstrap.

    • @drmachinewerke1
      @drmachinewerke1 Рік тому +1

      dont forget the Whitney or Mass double action in 31

  • @benjaminjarrett9816
    @benjaminjarrett9816 3 роки тому +4

    Is everything okay Mark? It’s been awhile since your last post, just checking in buddy. Thank you for the awesome content.

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  3 роки тому +3

      Everything is just fine. Thanks for asking. I've had a busy summer. I hope to add a video soon.

  • @lisar3006
    @lisar3006 3 роки тому +3

    I found that these small pistols don't set off caps very good I fitted two main springs in the one I had. I swapped it for a Pietta 1860 Army. I wanted to by another one lately but they are all on back order.

    • @wildrangeringreen
      @wildrangeringreen 2 роки тому +1

      Uberti's are known for light mainsprings. They view these as novelties, rather than actual firearms, so their focus is on target-type triggers, rather than reliability.

  • @ralphperez4862
    @ralphperez4862 3 роки тому +3

    Very impressive.

  • @357bullfrog9
    @357bullfrog9 3 роки тому +3

    It may not be as powerful as a 44 but I'd say it's still a capable weapon

    • @steelgila
      @steelgila 3 роки тому +3

      I read somewhere more men killed in 19TH century by pocket revolvers than larger more powerful "belt guns". I think the idea is that the range was always close with the pocket guns.

    • @TheBiggestIron
      @TheBiggestIron 3 роки тому +2

      @@steelgila generally there were more in circulation and more on body's when shit got thick so that's a reasonable conclusion.

  • @Mag_Aoidh
    @Mag_Aoidh 3 роки тому +1

    Mark, I don’t want to get shot with a 22, much less black powder 31!

  • @willbart1236
    @willbart1236 Рік тому +2

    I would like to see a comparison between FFFFG and triple 777. Also, penetration into ballistic gel would be nice.

  • @jonesysself-reliance3705
    @jonesysself-reliance3705 3 роки тому +2

    I use pyrodex p in my remmington i top the cylinders off then smash a round ball in pretty powerful never crono it but seems like a powerhouse

  • @jason60chev
    @jason60chev 2 роки тому +3

    I may have mentioned this before, but given medical knowledge in the mid 1800, a wound from a .31 pocket revolver, though maybe not a one shot manstopper, could become infected and fester for days, followed by your demise.

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert 2 роки тому +3

      President William McKinley was shot by Leon Czolgos using a .32 caliber revolver. President McKinley survived the wound but gangrene is what actually killed him.

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 2 роки тому +3

    Small rounds are underapreciated

  • @williamvergerwolf150
    @williamvergerwolf150 2 роки тому

    I bought one of these in the 90s along with a 36, both are fun plinkers

  • @doomsayer7937
    @doomsayer7937 3 роки тому

    Great job Mark. Impressive to be sure. Now I want one.

  • @Frichie68
    @Frichie68 3 роки тому +3

    I wonder how a round ball compares

  • @geffreybolster3780
    @geffreybolster3780 2 роки тому

    Good to see justice here. I have always scoffed and known better , , than to listen to all the tak about how ineffective etc , . I fire my Pockets (Authentic colt) charged with 14g and the same elongated ball you have, cast from an actual Colt mold, and the ball passes through 3 pine boards from 50yds. Anyway, they have proved themselves with actual hunting kills. Good work.

  • @Thomas_Jefferson_420
    @Thomas_Jefferson_420 10 місяців тому +1

    1860 army 1858 new army maybe a 1851-61 Navy. You need that extra barrel length with cap and ball

  • @richardhenry1969
    @richardhenry1969 2 роки тому

    That was some cool video. I really like the 49 pocket model. I didn’t realize they were that powerful. I have 32 long a fun gun to shoot. Guess I gotta get a 49 now. To go with my 44 sheriffs model.

  • @Pfletch83
    @Pfletch83 2 роки тому +1

    I've been thinking more about a scaled down breech loader modeled after the Sharps 1859 Carbine in .31 caliber for plinking and small game hunting.

  • @swedeson6188
    @swedeson6188 2 роки тому +2

    Great video, i subscribed!
    Can you do a simular video with a .36 caliber Colt Navy?
    Also, please use a round ball too to compare with.

  • @jer991
    @jer991 2 роки тому

    that's my carry gun. because black powder is "shooting done fun". Okay I use triple 7, but I have not had any cap problems with that powder. Thanks

  • @StevenMMan
    @StevenMMan 3 роки тому +2

    Looks awesome! I'm still considering trying these in my 1863. Just loading the cylinder off the revolver. I too load mine with 4f. I'm not sure what what the powder capacity difference is between remingtons and the colts

  • @terrysmith7441
    @terrysmith7441 2 роки тому

    Bravo, I had one, man slick little pistol, accurate, and as close to perfect black powder , having shot 54 cal plainsman,

  • @azcoueshntr
    @azcoueshntr 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent! Thank you.

  • @johnnymccann5607
    @johnnymccann5607 2 роки тому

    Wonderful video , as I watched the video iam reminded as a reloader of 42 years * also designing and. Making special purpose. ammunition that at one time it was legal to shoot stray dogs damage ing property* I had problems with dogs getting in my trash* so my old speer reloading manual had a round ball load for my 44 special* , 433 round ball 120 grain and bullseye pistol powder 2,3 grains 504 feet per second* I thought to just put knots on there butts * at 30 feet it shot through 3 milk jugs of water * I decided not a good idea because I was looking to just put some rememberable hurt on the dogs not kill them* nanna and papa wishing you well

  • @theodorebranin1365
    @theodorebranin1365 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video.

  • @lessage760
    @lessage760 3 роки тому +1

    great review and amazing sir thanks for sharing

  • @45auto
    @45auto 3 роки тому

    That looks like a real fun gun to shoot.

  • @SilntObsvr
    @SilntObsvr 2 роки тому

    Hmmm. 12 grains? My load for .32 S&W Long is 14 (volume equivalent, using American Pioneer Powder), IIRC, which is slightly compressed to give a cartridge length that fits my 1890s vintage H&R top break (probably originally made for .32 H&R, but no step in the chambers). Might get another grain or two in there with a different bullet and cylinder length for full .32 Long. Factory .32 S&W and .32 Long factory loads used slightly heavier bullets -- 95-100 grains cover most of them, and my load is a 100 grain wadcutter (because it was the cast bullet I could find when I ordered components) -- that cuts velocity some, of course, which reduces energy a little for the same powder load, but tends to improve penetration. The real measure here is powder load, other factors equal. Still, I'll call this equivalent to a .32 S&W or .32 H&R, neither of which was "as puny as a .22."

  • @Baurakale777
    @Baurakale777 Рік тому +2

    It only gets 60 FPE with a round ball, but that would ruin someone's day.

    • @jumpkickman1993
      @jumpkickman1993 Рік тому +1

      According to the army anything over 59 ft-lbs to the head is lethal

  • @poorman1ktm990
    @poorman1ktm990 2 роки тому +2

    NOW HAVE BY 31 CAL MY WIFE GOING BE PISS OFF AT YOU NOW LOL

  • @BurkeSchneider
    @BurkeSchneider 3 роки тому +3

    That's very impressive, certainly much better than a .22LR. How much lower do you think the velocity would be if FFG powder was used?

    • @63DW89A
      @63DW89A 3 роки тому +3

      @BurkeSchneider over at "CapandBall" YT channel, Balazs Nemeth used the Eras Gone .31 conical in an original 6" barrel Colt Pocket Revolver. Swiss FFg was the powder, and the charge was similar to Mark's for the Uberti Colt .31 4" barrel replica. Velocity was around 780 fps. Mr. Nemeth did not want to push the original Colt too hard, and that is why he used FFg. The old 170 year old Colt shot amazing groups at 25 meters!

    • @BurkeSchneider
      @BurkeSchneider 3 роки тому +1

      @@63DW89A I wonder how much the accuracy had to do with Mr. Nemeth's skills, the man can shoot!
      Thank you, that was exactly the information I was looking for.

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  3 роки тому +2

      @@63DW89A Balazs was using my bullets, but he always makes them fly much better than I can.

  • @seantierney3
    @seantierney3 3 роки тому +2

    I wonder what the velocity difference between 4f and 3f is.

  • @DukeFrazierProductions
    @DukeFrazierProductions 3 роки тому +2

    That is actually pretty impressive. I am curious though, how different would 3Fg perform compared to the 4Fg?

  • @sdjb111
    @sdjb111 3 роки тому

    Very cool. Nope do not shoot me with one. Mark I put a heavier spring in my loading lever, works great.

  • @scottydouglass1892
    @scottydouglass1892 3 роки тому +4

    Does any body make a hollow point for the 31? I have some for my Griswold, they tear up pumpkins.

  • @deanhumble7379
    @deanhumble7379 3 роки тому +5

    Where can I get a mold for these bullets??? I have a
    .31 cal cap and ball derringer...

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 3 роки тому +4

      You can get the mold from www.erasgonebullets.com

    • @deanhumble7379
      @deanhumble7379 3 роки тому +3

      @@BogeyTheBear thanks i have been looking for a place to either get bullets or a way to make my own.

  • @donnyboon2896
    @donnyboon2896 3 роки тому

    Yes

  • @j.shorter4716
    @j.shorter4716 5 місяців тому +2

    I got an average of 710 fps with ~12.5 grains 3F Swiss. I didn’t think there would be that much difference in 3F and 4F, so I’m going to test 4F next. Is there an official max charge for the conical bullet? I can fit 14-15 grains 3F when loading with a cheater bar

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  3 місяці тому

      I've not seen any period load data. But I suspect it was 10-12 grains of a 4f equivalent.

    • @j.shorter4716
      @j.shorter4716 3 місяці тому

      @@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400I got around to trying some 4f. I crammed 15 grains in there and got 900-950 fps with the conical so I’m happy with that. You have to use an extension lever to load that much powder and run the risk of bending the loading lever.

  • @tango-bravo
    @tango-bravo Рік тому +2

    Does anyone make a Kydex stealth holster for this model?

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert7924 3 роки тому +1

    Mark, I bought a conversion cylinder in .32 S&W for this revolver. Unfortunately that bullet is only .312 diameter, so it is too undersized for the bore. The conversion cylinder chambers are not bored str8 thru with the same diameter, but have a more narrow diameter than the neck of the brass, bored in the front of the chamber. If that narrow part could be bored out to the brass neck diameter and the brass could be reloaded with your EGB bullet or a .321 ball, I think those projectiles would engage the rifling in the barrel, thus giving real accuracy. up to 25 yds. What are your thoughts?

    • @TheBiggestIron
      @TheBiggestIron 3 роки тому

      If I can interject a good hollow base .313 projectile would work with both presumably.

    • @robertrobert7924
      @robertrobert7924 3 роки тому

      @@TheBiggestIron Where could I find some of the above in pure lead to test them?

    • @TheBiggestIron
      @TheBiggestIron 3 роки тому

      @@robertrobert7924 that would be the challenge. Other than a custom mold I cold not tell you. No reason you cant prototype one out by centering the base of a .313 and drilling a progressively larger deeper hole until you saw notable accuracy.

  • @jazzman5598
    @jazzman5598 2 роки тому

    Fine vid Sir!

  • @CapnSchep
    @CapnSchep 2 роки тому

    Very impressed ..!

  • @davidheinlein9439
    @davidheinlein9439 Рік тому +1

    Ever try any Swiss black powder I'm still new to this but is it any better?

  • @kunganuts754
    @kunganuts754 Рік тому +2

    Ima keep it 100 higher end 22lr out of a long barrel is probably more effective than this. Tired of the hate on .22 look up actual self defense stories people have been dropped from one shot out of a pistol before.
    Aguila Supermax out of a carbine length barrel is about 190 ft lbs.

    • @eclipsegst9419
      @eclipsegst9419 Рік тому +3

      my 200 dollar Heritage .22WMR single action army clone is much better, but that's not the point. Black powder is fun, and it's cool to see it's still not entirely useless.

  • @franklinAll8735
    @franklinAll8735 3 роки тому +1

    Now test 44 for velocity and energy ;) So if we got 32 acp energy from punny 31, 357 magnum energy is in reach of 44 with proper powder/bullet selection or is it? Your thoughts?

    • @didiermasclet9886
      @didiermasclet9886 3 роки тому

      Measurements obtained with the lee bullet 450-200 ogival grains and Swiss powder N ° 1 FFFFG :
      25 grains : v5=260 m/s E=42 kgm
      35 grains : v5=315 m/s E=62 kgm

    • @franklinAll8735
      @franklinAll8735 3 роки тому +1

      @@didiermasclet9886 35 grain load with the 200 gran bullet gives 475 FPE which is comparable to some weaker .357 magnum loads.

    • @didiermasclet9886
      @didiermasclet9886 3 роки тому

      Always with Swiss powder N ° 1 but with 140 grain round ball and Walker Colt (Uberti). 50 gr : 385 m/s E:710J
      60 gr : 405 m/s E:790J.

  • @rdewitt007
    @rdewitt007 Рік тому +1

    Any problems with the loading ram crushing the tip of the conical on the 31 cal, I have a Pietta pocket 31 cal dragoon, just wondering.

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  Рік тому +1

      The Uberti Model 1849 has a correctly shaped loading plunger and it does not blunt the bullet. The Pietta Remington will not work with this bullet. Its loading port is much smaller than the original and a conical bullet will not fit under the load lever.

  • @The1saturn
    @The1saturn Рік тому +4

    check the kill stats from a 22 there no joke

    • @RogersGirl88
      @RogersGirl88 Рік тому +3

      A cop friend in my old unit told me about a time when they found a dead guy in his car. They couldnt see any blood or entry wounds. When the coroner did the autopsy they found that the guy got hit under the armpit and then lowered his arm down tightly to his side. He drove for nearly a half hour before the internal bleeding finally got him. Turned out to be a .22 short that hit in the exact right place to ruin his day.

    • @nopc9728
      @nopc9728 Рік тому +1

      ​@@RogersGirl88 I like to hear info like that.
      I love the .22 Short

  • @raisagorbachov
    @raisagorbachov 2 роки тому +2

    Although it has excellent penetration, I wonder how effective it is at stopping villains.

    • @drmachinewerke1
      @drmachinewerke1 Рік тому +1

      one in the chest one in the head should work great

    • @cowboywoodard2569
      @cowboywoodard2569 10 місяців тому

      Have someone shoot you with and we all can determine if it works?? What say you?😅

    • @raisagorbachov
      @raisagorbachov 10 місяців тому

      @@cowboywoodard2569 It lacks the hydraulic shock of modern cartridges. More of a slow kill than an instant kill.

  • @randymagnum143
    @randymagnum143 3 роки тому +4

    Id buy one if they were 6 shot and had a 5" barrel like most of the originals.

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  3 роки тому +3

      I'd buy another if Uberti made a 6 shot version. Colt did not offer the 6 shot option until about 1860, if memory serves. They were all 5 shot before that time.

    • @randymagnum143
      @randymagnum143 3 роки тому +3

      @@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 i have an original with 5" barrel and six shot cylinder that my great grandfather carried in his pocket. Samuel Colt really pushed the extra round as a benefit of the new Colt special silver steel.
      Seems silly to reproduce these with modern material in 5 shot.

    • @gregzeigler3850
      @gregzeigler3850 3 роки тому +3

      @@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 I have an 1862 Pocket Police, 5.5" barrel, .36 caliber that is 5 shots......

    • @Bucky1836
      @Bucky1836 3 роки тому +1

      @@randymagnum143 id love to have a 6 shot 31 like that

  • @Bruckzone60
    @Bruckzone60 2 роки тому

    Mark, thank you for the surprising results. I admit I was always of the mind that ffffg was only for priming flinters. What other cap & ball guns have you used it in or would you consider ok in?
    Thanks again.

    • @TGP-vq4vi
      @TGP-vq4vi 2 роки тому

      ffff grade is very fine powder, for use in smaller bp revolvers. if you put this grade of powder in a larger revolver, you risk backventing into the cap nipple because of how fine the grain is. fff grade is most commonly used for big bore revolvers, and ff and f for muzzleloaders.

  • @usualsuspect5173
    @usualsuspect5173 Рік тому

    I have one of these, been laying around for a few years. Never shot it. Can't find a decent nipple wrench.

  • @drmachinewerke1
    @drmachinewerke1 3 роки тому +1

    I have a Whitney pocket revolver. I may have to try these.
    Do you know if it will work with the Whitney

  • @jamesluther3506
    @jamesluther3506 2 роки тому +1

    Does anyone make a .32 cartridge conversion cylinders for these guns?

    • @kevingooley9628
      @kevingooley9628 2 роки тому +4

      The only .32 conversion I've heard of is for the Remington .31 pocket revolver

  • @kevinbietry7527
    @kevinbietry7527 2 роки тому

    It would seem that if you missed bones it would blow a hole in one side and right out of the other

    • @donaldcadwell3911
      @donaldcadwell3911 Рік тому

      But will it blow your liver right out of your body? 😂

  • @twistedyogert
    @twistedyogert 2 роки тому +2

    Where could I get one? Could I go to a gun store and buy one? I'm one of those people who prefers to look at something before I buy it.

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  2 роки тому +1

      Not many gun stores carry black powder revolvers. Cabellas usually has some available, but not this particular model.

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert 2 роки тому

      @@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 Darn.

    • @MozambiqueEnjoyer6097
      @MozambiqueEnjoyer6097 2 роки тому

      MidwayUSA has two versions by Uberti in stock.

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert 2 роки тому

      @@MozambiqueEnjoyer6097 Thanks!

  • @usualsuspect5173
    @usualsuspect5173 3 роки тому +1

    Have you shot 3f in it? If so did you chrono it?

    • @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400
      @erasgonehistoricalmolds2400  3 роки тому +1

      I've not chronographed any other loads. Now that I have a reliable chronograph, I'd like to try other guns using various loads, and compare measured vs weighed charges to see if I can get better consistency in FPS.

    • @usualsuspect5173
      @usualsuspect5173 3 роки тому

      @@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 👍👌

  • @chickensandwich1589
    @chickensandwich1589 2 роки тому

    I just got my three molds, .44, .36, and .31. Why is the .31 mold marked the same as the .36...? (.380-126)

    • @markhubbs1964
      @markhubbs1964 2 роки тому

      The 31 should be marked .330-77. Send me a pic of the two via email and we will figure it out.

    • @chickensandwich1589
      @chickensandwich1589 2 роки тому

      @@markhubbs1964 On the way, thanks!

  • @tomallen6073
    @tomallen6073 Рік тому

    Cheese and rice that’s impressive.

  • @SilntObsvr
    @SilntObsvr 2 роки тому

    Before watching the chrono and penetration tests, I'd expect this gun to give results very similar to .32 S&W cartridge revolvers -- which sold *millions more* "puny" pocket guns. Depending how much powder it holds, it might even equal the .32 H&R (a slightly longer cartridge) or .32 S&W Long, which remained in production into the 1970s (when it was largely superseded by the .32 H&R Magnum and later .327 Federal). Given a choice, I'd surely prefer a top-break cartridge revolver in this bore (much faster to reload), but I surely wouldn't complain about the ballistics of this one, nor compare it to a .22 -- a mistake people make about .32 S&W, too, where twice the bullet weight at slightly higher velocity makes those folks sound like idiots.

  • @jason60chev
    @jason60chev 3 роки тому +1

    mark, as far as being deadly, we must remember that medical science was not so far advanced, during the time of this revolver, so even though it was small, it could create a rather nasty wound, that, over a few days, could become infected. Remember how it was said that a gut/belly would was mortal? Well, it isn't, now.

  • @lorenray9479
    @lorenray9479 2 роки тому +1

    My favorite mummy was put in that position over a century ago because he caught a 36 cal ball in the liver. The doctor he hired to relieve his belly ache went above and beyond by removing the ball and all !!! Displayed for over a century may have been more than what he deserved for cheating at cards!???!

  • @mattisenberger4042
    @mattisenberger4042 Рік тому +1

    They actually are better than a 9mm. Bigger.

    • @jumpkickman1993
      @jumpkickman1993 Рік тому +1

      What are you talking about? 9mm is a .356 diameter and these are .33

    • @mattisenberger4042
      @mattisenberger4042 Рік тому +1

      @@jumpkickman1993 you forgot a number.

    • @jumpkickman1993
      @jumpkickman1993 Рік тому

      @@mattisenberger4042 357 but that's beside the point

    • @mattisenberger4042
      @mattisenberger4042 Рік тому +1

      @@jumpkickman1993 sorry I carry .44 's openly everyday. I'm a Texan. Expect nothing less.

    • @mattisenberger4042
      @mattisenberger4042 Рік тому

      @@jumpkickman1993 9mm bounces in the barrel of anything larger than .25 sorry bro. Only fools carry 9mm. Or folks that can't kill shit with one bullet.