Wear them out for a while breaks then in nice. Taking them out to buggy clubs dancing is also the best to break them in, plus you feel great in a new pair of shoes 😁
Yup, now I’m a little older and I started wearing my half cabs to festivals and theme parks and after a couple of months I started skating them and man let me tell you they feel like gloves.
I loved the early 2000's Accels. The current OG ones aren't the same and feel excessively bulky for the sake of nostalgia. Currently skating some Joslins after seeing a lot of positive recommendations. The break-in period and boardfeel were much better than I expected.
Born in the early 00s so I don't know how they felt, but I wear the current OGs with some thick ass inserts in them. They're the only shoes that can fit my inserts and also keep my knees and feet from hurting from walking in them.
I have OG Accels and they aren't even nearly as bulky as they were back in the day. All of the reissue shoes by Es have been, quite frankly, garbage. They fall apart if you just look at them.
I rode some Duffs back in the old days and they helped me progress faster than other shoes. Didn’t think about it at the time but makes sense. I bought a pair of Adio after my duffs and almost lost all my tricks.
@@deadredeyes the Quattro currently out is amazing, in my opinion, but the Accels, Schemes, and Spartans all have been complete misses. That sole they used on all the reissues and the Silo is just weird. Silo SC and Quattro are the ones to get from Es right now. The Evant skates well, too, but you just gotta look past the weird parts of the sole (unless you like it) and then they're amazing
Used to love vulcanized soles but as I've gotten older I definitely prefer the support of a cupsoles nowadays. I recommend the new lakai telfords. Love the flick, ankle support and overall classic look
I felt the Telford sole is too thin :/ I have the Sabbath ones and even with a thicker inse in them, they feel too mushy brand new. :/ The XLK sole on the Atlantic and Proto would be a great idea for Lakai to try on the Telford I'm spoiled with Marana and Joslin models though.
I feel you. I did have to swap out the insoles for some FP elite orthotics. It'd be great to see a high top XLK shoe come out. Glad your liking your Etnies though 😁 I loved my Marana mids. If they had tongue centering straps they'd probably be all I skated haha
Favorite cup sole - Nike SB Dunk. Favorite vulcanized - Adidas Busenitz Vulc. Also really loving the original Vans Kyle Walker pro model which is a hybrid of both.
I like the busenitz original with the cupsole. Although it takes some while to get used to how point the toes caps are😂 dunks take a while to break in but the cool factor is 👌🏾
I've been skating hi top cons for about a year now and they're the best. Super easy to break in, great board feel, and the rubber toe cap helps them last!
Those Westgates are the best cupsole shoe I’ve ever worn. Close second is the first Brian Sumner Adio (deep cut there). Best ever vulc was the Vans TNT 2 or 3, can’t quite remember which
@@ninmoron3150 Pretty good. I’m probably not the best judge tbf because I’m 34 and skate like once a month at this point. But the sole has held up well and the suede seems to be pretty durable as well, especially with the 1 piece toe
@@ninmoron3150 I have the Westgate 508s and just got some 440s as well. I haven't skated either yet. They look too rad to ruin yet. I think the 440s would hold up better. The 508s are extremely comfortable. The 440s are stiffer. There is more rubber on the sides of the cup sole on the 440s. It's pretty minimal on the 508s. Someone else mentioned that the heel is lose on the 508s. Compared to the 440s, I think this is true. The 440s seem to lock in your heels more. The 508s seem to have more board feel in the sole. I think they are thinner. The 508s have a single piece of rubber for the sole. The 440s have two. The 440s seem like they are pretty darn durable. It seems like they would take more breaking in. The 508s seem like they wouldn't require much break in at all. Also, the 440s sole seems to stick out more on the sides. I think maybe it's that way to prevent rolling your ankle, or maybe it's just the fact that the rubber on the side is beefier. They seem pretty damn durable to me. The ones I have are the black ones with the gum sole with suede. There are others that have more leather. Same thing for the 508s. I'm thinking the leather ones would probably hold up better. The rubber sole on the 440s seems pretty tough too. This is just my impression. Your mileage may vary. I haven't skated either of them yet. Overall, I think the 440s would hold up better.
Cupsoles all the way! I like the look and idea of vulcs, but I'd rather go for durability and support, because the boardfeel and flex comes fairly quickly in most modern cupsoles. Marana, Joslin (1 & 2), NB# 1010, Silo SC, Quattro, Evant, and Dunks are my primary cupsole recommendations!
For me, I've always leaned toward cupsoles that are fat up top and slim down towards the bottoms. The DVS comanche 2.0s are the closest I've seen to perfection for me plus you can find crazy deals on them
The fallen troopers are my number 1 currently. They are so damn tough, absolute workhorse of a shoe. I skate bowls so lots of running out. These shoes protect my toes really well.
That switch heel line was perfect. I like cupsoles more than vulcs, vulcs are good for skating the park though. I really feel like its easier to switch to cupsole from vulc than vice versa though, tere's something about the extra support that you get used to. I'm on my eigth pair of Elijah Berle's which is a cupsole with no insole. I switch to the NB Jamie Foy's if I wanna skate a rail or transition with a little extra confidence and boardfeel.
My favourite is the emerica romero laced. A cupsole that breaks in super fast and fits my feet very well. Since I have wide feet a lot shoes painfull for me.
I had both, both very good shoes. Accels are like pillows around your feet, but the boardfeel is surprisingly good after breaking them in. Manchesters felt very good for the shape of my foot.
True, Maranas and Joslins are my favorite. I have tried em all, and still switch it up. Maranas/Joslin's or any cupsole built similarly, firm and with a thicc double layer of suede is the way to go for me
I can't recommend the eS' Accel Slims enough. Cupsole, a little on the thinner side, but with the STI insoles they come with, they really don't hurt on hard lands or primos.
I can’t ride vulc. At over 30 years old, they just don’t protect my feet enough. I have been riding the Joslin’s 1 for 3 pairs now and I absolutely love them! I just also tried the NB 508 too and while I really like the shoes, they don’t protect your feet that much from impact. Back to Joslins after I’m done with the 508
Dude thanks for sharing! 32 here and my old school pros just didn't protect my feet enough and brusied heels suck. Went with etnies Marana and am much happier. I'll give the Joslins a look.
I've skated a lot of the NB numerics and the the Westgate's felt like the least padded by far. The Foy's feel good on my 36 year old feet if you want something kind of like a more padded 508.
For me which one I prefer is really dependent on the shoe. I mostly use Vulc but I’ve had a few pairs of cupsoles that I really liked. The adidas city cup was one of my favorite shoes I’ve ever skated. I skated them for a whole summer until I ripped the toe, and that summer I progressed more than I ever had up until that point, that was when I really started to get comfortable and feel confident on my board and I attribute a lot of that to those shoes. I was a big fan of them
My favorite shoes lately are the Adidas Tyshawns. I’ve had 3 pairs and plan to get more. They are a cup sole shoe. After every session I add a layer of shoe goo so the flick lasts. The soles have deep grooves and last a long time. I think you would really enjoy them, Ben. I love your videos man.
so comfortable! both the 913 and 508 are equally as comfortable imo. 913s come up a lil higher so has more ankle support but other than that, they're both pretty dope.
There are some 440s like that. All white. I just ordered some of the "skate shop day" ones which are all white with gum sole. There's another pair out now that are all white as well, but, the side of the sole is white as well. I liked the look of the ones that were all gum colored on the sole.
Favorite show I ever skated was the Rowley XLT. They shredded up fast but everything felt good on them. I'm still stuck on bigger cupsoles so Accel OGs for me now.
Favourite/best vulcanized skate shoe: Vans Rowley (the one with the puffy tongue) Favourite cupsole skate shoe: Difficult to say, maybe the eS Accel or Quattro. I prefer cupsoles overall. Durability, support, impact protection, more style, tech, and colour options.
The Mephisto Ludo are great too, they have super high quality leathers and are hand made in Europe. They have a natural rubber sole but some kind of vulcanization process where it allows them to resole your shoe when you need to. You just send them the shoe and they put a new sole on it. Also, they have an air-soft technology cushioning system in the heal and Air-relax.
the new balance numeric 212 has been my go to, the upper usually lastslonger than the bottom of the sole, and I often see them on sale for around 30 - 45, si I just buy them in bulk (2 - 3 pairs) when I see those sales. highly reccomend for a low profile, stylish, and relatively durable skate shoe for great board feel.
The older I get the less "feel" the better. I get more tired with less absorbant shoes. I used to think it was the size of the wheels but I was wrong. It's DEFINITELY the sole of the shoe. Lately I've been skating a standard pair of Air Force Ones and I feel like I'm a teenager again. I'm not getting super tech with these but I last WAAAAY longer compared to shoes with less impact.
Here's some insight; I'm 45 and will only wear hightop cupsoles to skate in. There is no better feeling than wearing slip on vulcs on a skateboard but I just can't do it anymore. 2 years ago my feet ached every day, I skate roughly 2-3 times a week, since wearing cupsoles only, my feet don't ache like they did. I also rolled my ankle about a year and a half ago, hightops took care of that, too. So, ride vulcs while your feet can take it, then get cupsoles when you get old. Or, wear vulcs to cruise in and cupsoles when you're gonna get buck...or just plan on running out of a something repeatedly. Nice video, the cupsole vs vulc never gets old.
I usually only skate with es accel og's, and I am used to them that even if I put a brand new pair of them on, I know what to do with my board. And the reason I skate them is the hangover from late 90's and early 00's...😂
Correction: They don't glue the tape on vulcanized shoes, they bake it on. That's what vulcanizing is, baking! No glue. Cupsoles are made with a "cold cement" process. Cold because they are not cooked, they use contact cement to glue the sole on.
I would like to share a little experience, I started skating about three years ago or so with vulcanized shoes because there were the most inexpensive I could find new or used( $8-$25), I didn't notice my sessions will only last around 30 minutes to an hour before my feet started hurting at the heel, I just recently bought cupsole puffy shoes from world Industries ($24 with discount) and this past week I've been skating for about 3 hours a day and my feet love it! The only downside is I had to get used to the taller soul and the sturdiness of the cup Sole shoe it took me a couple of days to relearn my ollie's, nose slides and 50/50
Just picked up a pair of new balance foys. I’m pretty sure they are vulcanized. Best shoes I’ve had in a while. Like you said, really great board feel and barely any break in period. They cost a pretty penny but I’d buy them again for sure!
I'm the guy that can't ride without board feel. This is the most important thing in skateboarding for me. I've rolled ankles many, many times. Also what you're saying, that old grip + cupsole is a nightmare. I'm changing fabric soles to cheap orthopedic for better board feel and cushion:)
I've started skating a pair of Marana's, I've only ever skated Vans and Nike Blazers before now and I go through them. in no time at all. I guess I skate a lot but as much as I love the board feel of Vans and the look of the shoes (Half Cab and Classics all the way) I just can't be buying shoes as often as I have, it's both expensive and ecologically terrible, I do try to always patch up shoes with shoe goo so I can get some wear out of them even when they have holes in the soles but even so. The feel of the cup sole is indeed very different, at first I hated it, I couldn't feel my board at all, but gradually it's coming back and I'm getting used to it. Durability so far has been good, we'll see how they last longer term.
I still personally prefer cup over vulc. But i also grew up in the 90s so im used to cups over the vulc. Plus i think the cups just have a better flick.
had a pair of special Metallica edition Vans Half-Cabs that had some really good insoles. they were probably my favorite Vulks. Es Accels were probably my favorite Cup from back in the day. although, i really liked the Spanky model that was almost the same as the Dissent from Emerica. wore out kinda fast tho.
Watching this super late but i grew up skating vans,vans pro( felt chunkier), converse chucks and converse pro, i always prefered the feel of regular vans/chucks and then found the balance of swapping the pro insoles into the regular shoes…that was always my go too but recently got back into skating and went out one night in asics tigers jaw and absolutley loved em now thats my go to!!! Ive heard they have a skateboarding line in japan now too and thats soon to come to the us so cant wait but in a gist the grip is great, theyre flexy yet offer great support, hardly wear, one gripe is impact support but im sure the sb versions will be better EDIT: also remember really loving the koston 2s but doubt they make em anymore
They re did the koston 2 called it rhe two nine 8 . It doesn't have the running shoe sole with the little toe piece coming up towards the toe cap and they look weird. I think the red and white colour way are on pre order now but I just don't think I will ve doing it with the nmdiffernt soles . It completely changed the shoe
Funny that you just made this vid. I am a cupsole guy but I just got a vulc, the DC Infinite cause it has a gnarly ollie pad. Good seeing ya in Richmond, I'm at the airport now heading back to Edmonton. Ben is good dude!
was thinking about you today, & about shoes, came to your channel & first video i see is this one! starting to get some knee pain. i've been skating Vans Atwoods for quite a while, i love everything about them, except for lack of impact protection (& now with my knee i have learned i may actually need some arch support.)
Only a couple of shoes have ever done this, but I think the idea is to have the support of a cupsole in the heel, and the flexibility of a vulc in the toe. Seems like a good idea on paper, but whether it's ever been executed properly I couldn't say.
@@carlyle6071 I own those Kyle Walker Pro 2s and skated them and wouldn't say they are a cupsole. Or hybrid for that matter. They're mostly just a vulc skate shoe with a heel that doesn't suck. For me it definitely wasn't the perfect hybrid. Mostly because impact protection is very mediocre. And they have overdone the whole boardfeel, as you will get hurt in primos. The other thing that sucks is how durability is just very average to really kind of weak IMHO. And the flick is pretty much like any other Vans skate shoe. Plenty of people will like that, but plenty of people won't. You're better off finding one of the more thin cupsole skate shoes if you want a more genuine best of both worlds experience.
@@michaelgrier6365 It's not a good idea in practice. Mostly because the flexibility of the skate shoe is not always a good thing. Extra support in the heel area is nice, sure. But it doesn't help much if underneath the front part of the feet, impact protection is zero. And that's really the biggest flaw of any hybrid. You actually _don't_ want to feel every minute detail of the board under your toes. It's more useful to have a flick feeling that doesn't feel too heavy or too disconnected.
Do vulcs wear through the sole quicker than cupsole? Based on your description I don't see why they would but I thought they were actually a different kind of rubber...
I recently bought two pairs of new skate shoes, Straye(Logan) and Asics(Japan). I have to say skating the Straye are way easier to skate because of the board feel.
I used to like vulcanized rubber outsoles a lot until I got some cupsole Reeboks, now it's the only type of shoe I want to skate in. You're not wrong, in that, break in period is a lot longer for cupsole shoes as compared to vulcanized shoes.
Just bought cupsoles at as a over 40 skater, it has breathed new life into my feet!!!! PS just bought a parking block, could you do a series on tricks on a parking block? Your board slide on a curb from years back was great
My favourite skate shoes are always my previous shoe (as I got used to them) - just really don't like getting used to new shoes. Definitely like how long cupsole shoes seem to last, like the feel of vulcanized more, but they only seem to last me 3-4 weeks max.
Hey Ben, been watching the channel for ages and I love it. Was wondering if at any point you were considering doing a review on any èS shoes at all? Thank you!
Long ago, in some interview, I believe it was Brian Wenning who said he and his pals would get his Dad to pull out the truck and drive over a new pair of cupsoles a few times to help with the 'break in' period. (Picturing those clunky old school cupsole Lynx)
I totally agree with you about the cupsole I just went and bought some dc crisis 2s on sale felt bad for them cause I feel like they are slowly going out of business
My preference would be Nike Janoski if they still made a W5. The M4 in the newer model gets too loose before I wear it out. Blazer mid is good for me because it stays on. Trying a Vans Ave cupsule and a Vans Lizzie next - they are narrow and come in small sizes. I am a beginner and I love your videos, can't really tell all your grinds apart though :) but still so fun. Thanks!
Any plans on releasing a Westgate 308 review video? I enjoyed the feel of the shoe, but maybe due to how I ollie, they would burn through my shoe lace within a weekend so I had to retire them. If you want to try some cupsoles, may I suggest the Nike SB Forces 58, I think it's their new model and they fit me perfectly so I think I've finally found my go to shoe. They have a similar sole as the Nyjahs, but the shape of a dunk.
I'm assuming you mean 508? I think they should put a leather or suede strip along the top side. My ollies wear there, but, maybe it's just because I'm not that good. I've noticed that the 440s look like the laces are further up and presumably will get shredded less. And the rubber on the side of the cup sole looked thicker compared to the 508s. I have some 440s on order. Interested to see how they compare.
having a wide foot also makes cupsoles more painful and sometimes literally unusable due to the tightness of the toebox and width of the shoe, perhaps getting a E width would compensate but i generally feel much better in vulc shoes because it can more easily shape around my larger than average foot. having said that, my NB 440s are finally starting to break in and get a bit more comfortable to wear and skate. they do skate great i have to say.
I have wide feet and my pinky toes hurt a lot after working 12 hours in steel toe cap shoes. Yesterday I skate vulc shoes for first time in 15 years. Oh man my knees and feet hurt after one hour session. By the way I'm 36 years old. Anyone who read this please suggest me cupsole shoes for wide feet. Thanks
Atm i‘m wearing Etnies Veer. Light, kinda flexable, good grip, good boardfeel and Cupsole cause I had heel bruises with vulc before (even when I most likely skate transition). Would recommend them to everyone, they are also a bit cheaper than Maranas and less bulky 👍🏻
Thanks for the video, helpful. I'll probably get a pair of those Newbalance shoes, as I get older I value a more comfortable shoe but I don't like it when they feel too bulky or heavy.
Hey Ben, cool video - I've really gotten a lot out of my Adidas 3ST.004 cup soles. Just enough boardfeel with perfect support, impact protection, and grip. There's exposed boost foam in the back of the shoe so that might complicate your heelflips / nollie heelflips but I haven't noticed that being an issue. On the flipside, since I'm recovering from an ankle surgery, I'm trying to skate Nike SB Blazer Mids. For a vulcanized shoe they're pretty supportive underfoot and offer me a lot of ankle protection.
appreciate the video! Which skatepark were you skating at! looks super good for beginners might check it out if I ever make it to that side of the world! 👏
I got the best of two worlds I just got my first pair of the Kyle Walker pro 2 From what I can tell now my heel feel so much more locked in if they made one with laces for me it would be the perfect shoe
If you're looking for a new skate shoe I would suggest the Tyshawn jones Adidas mids they last forever, they are super good for heelflips, they are very comfortable, and just a great overall shoe hope this helps. I think the Tyshawn jones would great shoe for a review.
I used to skate vulcs vans/emericas when I was skating big sessions every day in my mid 20s but I’m in my mid 30s now and struggle with vulcs I’m trying a pair of the old skool pros after skating the joslin 1s for a couple of years and I just have no confidence with them. I don’t know if it’s the thin top or the beefy rubber but I can’t land kickflips or tres for squat. I think I’m still getting used to them again but they just feel so thin and it’s effected my commitment to tricks.
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I just realized you’re also the Vancouver Carpenter….I’ve also been watching your drywall videos 😃 Great work!
😂 awesome!
Same here. Dude is awesome.
I’m waiting for the day that I look up a home improvement video and stumble upon Ben
Ben you're one of the only reliable skate youtubers left, we all appreciate you🙏🏻
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You don't look very deep don't you haha :P
@@Damoforce who else is there?
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In the 90s, we would plan ahead by wearing our shoes in non-skating situations (like to school) for a couple of weeks before skating them. No biggie.
Yeah, who wants to immediately thrash a sweet pair of shoes either.
Wear them out for a while breaks then in nice. Taking them out to buggy clubs dancing is also the best to break them in, plus you feel great in a new pair of shoes 😁
Thats what I do up this day
Yup, now I’m a little older and I started wearing my half cabs to festivals and theme parks and after a couple of months I started skating them and man let me tell you they feel like gloves.
Sunday starting off right with a new Ben Degros video 🙏🏼
Dang me too haha
Woah so crazy seeing you here, and also skating on Instagram. Are you Canadian?
I loved the early 2000's Accels. The current OG ones aren't the same and feel excessively bulky for the sake of nostalgia. Currently skating some Joslins after seeing a lot of positive recommendations. The break-in period and boardfeel were much better than I expected.
Born in the early 00s so I don't know how they felt, but I wear the current OGs with some thick ass inserts in them. They're the only shoes that can fit my inserts and also keep my knees and feet from hurting from walking in them.
I have OG Accels and they aren't even nearly as bulky as they were back in the day. All of the reissue shoes by Es have been, quite frankly, garbage. They fall apart if you just look at them.
I rode some Duffs back in the old days and they helped me progress faster than other shoes. Didn’t think about it at the time but makes sense. I bought a pair of Adio after my duffs and almost lost all my tricks.
@@deadredeyes the Quattro currently out is amazing, in my opinion, but the Accels, Schemes, and Spartans all have been complete misses. That sole they used on all the reissues and the Silo is just weird.
Silo SC and Quattro are the ones to get from Es right now. The Evant skates well, too, but you just gotta look past the weird parts of the sole (unless you like it) and then they're amazing
Get the accel slims
Used to love vulcanized soles but as I've gotten older I definitely prefer the support of a cupsoles nowadays. I recommend the new lakai telfords. Love the flick, ankle support and overall classic look
I felt the Telford sole is too thin :/
I have the Sabbath ones and even with a thicker inse in them, they feel too mushy brand new. :/
The XLK sole on the Atlantic and Proto would be a great idea for Lakai to try on the Telford
I'm spoiled with Marana and Joslin models though.
I feel you. I did have to swap out the insoles for some FP elite orthotics. It'd be great to see a high top XLK shoe come out. Glad your liking your Etnies though 😁 I loved my Marana mids. If they had tongue centering straps they'd probably be all I skated haha
Favorite cup sole - Nike SB Dunk. Favorite vulcanized - Adidas Busenitz Vulc. Also really loving the original Vans Kyle Walker pro model which is a hybrid of both.
I like the busenitz original with the cupsole. Although it takes some while to get used to how point the toes caps are😂 dunks take a while to break in but the cool factor is 👌🏾
@@LuisGarcia-sq5mm i got the cupsole busenitz on right now 😂
I've been skating hi top cons for about a year now and they're the best. Super easy to break in, great board feel, and the rubber toe cap helps them last!
Those Westgates are the best cupsole shoe I’ve ever worn. Close second is the first Brian Sumner Adio (deep cut there). Best ever vulc was the Vans TNT 2 or 3, can’t quite remember which
How long do the westgates last ? They caught my eye but idk abt the durability
@@ninmoron3150 Pretty good. I’m probably not the best judge tbf because I’m 34 and skate like once a month at this point. But the sole has held up well and the suede seems to be pretty durable as well, especially with the 1 piece toe
@@ninmoron3150 I have the Westgate 508s and just got some 440s as well. I haven't skated either yet. They look too rad to ruin yet. I think the 440s would hold up better. The 508s are extremely comfortable. The 440s are stiffer. There is more rubber on the sides of the cup sole on the 440s. It's pretty minimal on the 508s. Someone else mentioned that the heel is lose on the 508s. Compared to the 440s, I think this is true. The 440s seem to lock in your heels more. The 508s seem to have more board feel in the sole. I think they are thinner. The 508s have a single piece of rubber for the sole. The 440s have two. The 440s seem like they are pretty darn durable. It seems like they would take more breaking in. The 508s seem like they wouldn't require much break in at all. Also, the 440s sole seems to stick out more on the sides. I think maybe it's that way to prevent rolling your ankle, or maybe it's just the fact that the rubber on the side is beefier. They seem pretty damn durable to me. The ones I have are the black ones with the gum sole with suede. There are others that have more leather. Same thing for the 508s. I'm thinking the leather ones would probably hold up better. The rubber sole on the 440s seems pretty tough too. This is just my impression. Your mileage may vary. I haven't skated either of them yet. Overall, I think the 440s would hold up better.
Cupsoles all the way! I like the look and idea of vulcs, but I'd rather go for durability and support, because the boardfeel and flex comes fairly quickly in most modern cupsoles.
Marana, Joslin (1 & 2), NB# 1010, Silo SC, Quattro, Evant, and Dunks are my primary cupsole recommendations!
You were mentioned in a John Hill Instagram story yesterday in his Progress Daily page. It was a skatetuber appreciation thingy
I just quit Instagram last week so I never saw it :(
@@bendegros Good to hear, dude. Nothing to frown over.
why did you quit instagram? just curious.
For me, I've always leaned toward cupsoles that are fat up top and slim down towards the bottoms. The DVS comanche 2.0s are the closest I've seen to perfection for me plus you can find crazy deals on them
Man, this is such a good video. Thank your for actually taking the time
The fallen troopers are my number 1 currently. They are so damn tough, absolute workhorse of a shoe. I skate bowls so lots of running out. These shoes protect my toes really well.
Fellow Canadian here
I enjoy both types of shoe, but my favourite across the board (no pun intended) is the Globe Mahalo Plus
That switch heel line was perfect. I like cupsoles more than vulcs, vulcs are good for skating the park though. I really feel like its easier to switch to cupsole from vulc than vice versa though, tere's something about the extra support that you get used to. I'm on my eigth pair of Elijah Berle's which is a cupsole with no insole. I switch to the NB Jamie Foy's if I wanna skate a rail or transition with a little extra confidence and boardfeel.
My favourite is the emerica romero laced. A cupsole that breaks in super fast and fits my feet very well. Since I have wide feet a lot shoes painfull for me.
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loved this video
Favorite cupsole - original es accel, favorite vulcanized - lakai manchester
I had both, both very good shoes. Accels are like pillows around your feet, but the boardfeel is surprisingly good after breaking them in. Manchesters felt very good for the shape of my foot.
Tiago’s and Tyshawn’s are the best cupsoles
Can agree, Tyshawn’s are good
Wish I could wear Tyshawns, but they're way too narrow for me
tiagos have no grip
True, Maranas and Joslins are my favorite. I have tried em all, and still switch it up. Maranas/Joslin's or any cupsole built similarly, firm and with a thicc double layer of suede is the way to go for me
I can't recommend the eS' Accel Slims enough. Cupsole, a little on the thinner side, but with the STI insoles they come with, they really don't hurt on hard lands or primos.
I can’t ride vulc. At over 30 years old, they just don’t protect my feet enough. I have been riding the Joslin’s 1 for 3 pairs now and I absolutely love them! I just also tried the NB 508 too and while I really like the shoes, they don’t protect your feet that much from impact. Back to Joslins after I’m done with the 508
Dude thanks for sharing! 32 here and my old school pros just didn't protect my feet enough and brusied heels suck. Went with etnies Marana and am much happier. I'll give the Joslins a look.
Y’all should try out FP insoles, they are crazy on protecting your feet
I've skated a lot of the NB numerics and the the Westgate's felt like the least padded by far. The Foy's feel good on my 36 year old feet if you want something kind of like a more padded 508.
@@funkydankspliff I got some, but with the Joslin’s I don’t feel the need of wearing them.
< 33. The Rowan Pros were not bad. But have found goodness in the Tyshawn’s.
For me which one I prefer is really dependent on the shoe. I mostly use Vulc but I’ve had a few pairs of cupsoles that I really liked. The adidas city cup was one of my favorite shoes I’ve ever skated. I skated them for a whole summer until I ripped the toe, and that summer I progressed more than I ever had up until that point, that was when I really started to get comfortable and feel confident on my board and I attribute a lot of that to those shoes. I was a big fan of them
My favorite shoes lately are the Adidas Tyshawns. I’ve had 3 pairs and plan to get more. They are a cup sole shoe. After every session I add a layer of shoe goo so the flick lasts. The soles have deep grooves and last a long time. I think you would really enjoy them, Ben. I love your videos man.
Holy shit I thought you looked familiar, I was watching some of your drywall repair videos a few weeks ago. This is nuts.
Those Westgates are fly as hell. If they had a model with a non contrasting “N” (ie same color as the main shoe) and gum soles I would buy 10 pairs.
so comfortable! both the 913 and 508 are equally as comfortable imo. 913s come up a lil higher so has more ankle support but other than that, they're both pretty dope.
There are some 440s like that. All white. I just ordered some of the "skate shop day" ones which are all white with gum sole. There's another pair out now that are all white as well, but, the side of the sole is white as well. I liked the look of the ones that were all gum colored on the sole.
Favorite show I ever skated was the Rowley XLT. They shredded up fast but everything felt good on them.
I'm still stuck on bigger cupsoles so Accel OGs for me now.
I use to pretty much only skate vulc. But I got the busenitz and I’m in love with the cup sole
LOL come for shoe video and found Vancouver Carpenter. Good times.
Favourite/best vulcanized skate shoe: Vans Rowley (the one with the puffy tongue)
Favourite cupsole skate shoe: Difficult to say, maybe the eS Accel or Quattro.
I prefer cupsoles overall. Durability, support, impact protection, more style, tech, and colour options.
Hoping for a 508 review soon, they look dope
The Mephisto Ludo are great too, they have super high quality leathers and are hand made in Europe. They have a natural rubber sole but some kind of vulcanization process where it allows them to resole your shoe when you need to. You just send them the shoe and they put a new sole on it. Also, they have an air-soft technology cushioning system in the heal and Air-relax.
the new balance numeric 212 has been my go to, the upper usually lastslonger than the bottom of the sole, and I often see them on sale for around 30 - 45, si I just buy them in bulk (2 - 3 pairs) when I see those sales. highly reccomend for a low profile, stylish, and relatively durable skate shoe for great board feel.
The older I get the less "feel" the better. I get more tired with less absorbant shoes. I used to think it was the size of the wheels but I was wrong. It's DEFINITELY the sole of the shoe. Lately I've been skating a standard pair of Air Force Ones and I feel like I'm a teenager again. I'm not getting super tech with these but I last WAAAAY longer compared to shoes with less impact.
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Here's some insight; I'm 45 and will only wear hightop cupsoles to skate in. There is no better feeling than wearing slip on vulcs on a skateboard but I just can't do it anymore. 2 years ago my feet ached every day, I skate roughly 2-3 times a week, since wearing cupsoles only, my feet don't ache like they did. I also rolled my ankle about a year and a half ago, hightops took care of that, too. So, ride vulcs while your feet can take it, then get cupsoles when you get old. Or, wear vulcs to cruise in and cupsoles when you're gonna get buck...or just plan on running out of a something repeatedly. Nice video, the cupsole vs vulc never gets old.
I usually only skate with es accel og's, and I am used to them that even if I put a brand new pair of them on, I know what to do with my board. And the reason I skate them is the hangover from late 90's and early 00's...😂
Correction: They don't glue the tape on vulcanized shoes, they bake it on. That's what vulcanizing is, baking! No glue. Cupsoles are made with a "cold cement" process. Cold because they are not cooked, they use contact cement to glue the sole on.
I would like to share a little experience, I started skating about three years ago or so with vulcanized shoes because there were the most inexpensive I could find new or used( $8-$25), I didn't notice my sessions will only last around 30 minutes to an hour before my feet started hurting at the heel, I just recently bought cupsole puffy shoes from world Industries ($24 with discount) and this past week I've been skating for about 3 hours a day and my feet love it! The only downside is I had to get used to the taller soul and the sturdiness of the cup Sole shoe it took me a couple of days to relearn my ollie's, nose slides and 50/50
Just picked up a pair of new balance foys. I’m pretty sure they are vulcanized. Best shoes I’ve had in a while. Like you said, really great board feel and barely any break in period. They cost a pretty penny but I’d buy them again for sure!
great video to watch on a monday morning before going off to work
emerica romero laced, are the best shoes for me, absolutely amazing
I'm the guy that can't ride without board feel. This is the most important thing in skateboarding for me. I've rolled ankles many, many times. Also what you're saying, that old grip + cupsole is a nightmare. I'm changing fabric soles to cheap orthopedic for better board feel and cushion:)
Wow bro i love your videos u talk about so many things normal people dont talk keep this up love from PR 🤙
I've started skating a pair of Marana's, I've only ever skated Vans and Nike Blazers before now and I go through them. in no time at all. I guess I skate a lot but as much as I love the board feel of Vans and the look of the shoes (Half Cab and Classics all the way) I just can't be buying shoes as often as I have, it's both expensive and ecologically terrible, I do try to always patch up shoes with shoe goo so I can get some wear out of them even when they have holes in the soles but even so. The feel of the cup sole is indeed very different, at first I hated it, I couldn't feel my board at all, but gradually it's coming back and I'm getting used to it. Durability so far has been good, we'll see how they last longer term.
Ive been loving the vans berle shoes. a good cupsole is a must for me.
I still personally prefer cup over vulc. But i also grew up in the 90s so im used to cups over the vulc. Plus i think the cups just have a better flick.
Please do a full review on these NB 508's :) !
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VANS PRO OLD SKOOL. Long lasting & durable 💯💯💯
had a pair of special Metallica edition Vans Half-Cabs that had some really good insoles. they were probably my favorite Vulks. Es Accels were probably my favorite Cup from back in the day. although, i really liked the Spanky model that was almost the same as the Dissent from Emerica. wore out kinda fast tho.
Watching this super late but i grew up skating vans,vans pro( felt chunkier), converse chucks and converse pro, i always prefered the feel of regular vans/chucks and then found the balance of swapping the pro insoles into the regular shoes…that was always my go too but recently got back into skating and went out one night in asics tigers jaw and absolutley loved em now thats my go to!!! Ive heard they have a skateboarding line in japan now too and thats soon to come to the us so cant wait but in a gist the grip is great, theyre flexy yet offer great support, hardly wear, one gripe is impact support but im sure the sb versions will be better EDIT: also remember really loving the koston 2s but doubt they make em anymore
They re did the koston 2 called it rhe two nine 8 . It doesn't have the running shoe sole with the little toe piece coming up towards the toe cap and they look weird. I think the red and white colour way are on pre order now but I just don't think I will ve doing it with the nmdiffernt soles . It completely changed the shoe
Funny that you just made this vid. I am a cupsole guy but I just got a vulc, the DC Infinite cause it has a gnarly ollie pad. Good seeing ya in Richmond, I'm at the airport now heading back to Edmonton. Ben is good dude!
was thinking about you today, & about shoes, came to your channel & first video i see is this one! starting to get some knee pain. i've been skating Vans Atwoods for quite a while, i love everything about them, except for lack of impact protection (& now with my knee i have learned i may actually need some arch support.)
Baggy jeans and Cupsoles All day 💯
Either that, or maternity pants
Favorite vulc is the busenitz. I've been skating them for quite a while now. About 4-5 months
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*Supra Skytop is my favourite Vulc shoe but heel wears so easily*
Well, what about the vulc/cup hybrid? For example, Nyjahs shoes have them, just wondering.
Kyle walker pros also have those as well.
@@carlyle6071 I think once they vulc a cupsole it just gets chalked up as a vulc. Vans just out of ideas.
Only a couple of shoes have ever done this, but I think the idea is to have the support of a cupsole in the heel, and the flexibility of a vulc in the toe.
Seems like a good idea on paper, but whether it's ever been executed properly I couldn't say.
@@carlyle6071 I own those Kyle Walker Pro 2s and skated them and wouldn't say they are a cupsole. Or hybrid for that matter. They're mostly just a vulc skate shoe with a heel that doesn't suck. For me it definitely wasn't the perfect hybrid. Mostly because impact protection is very mediocre. And they have overdone the whole boardfeel, as you will get hurt in primos. The other thing that sucks is how durability is just very average to really kind of weak IMHO. And the flick is pretty much like any other Vans skate shoe. Plenty of people will like that, but plenty of people won't. You're better off finding one of the more thin cupsole skate shoes if you want a more genuine best of both worlds experience.
@@michaelgrier6365 It's not a good idea in practice. Mostly because the flexibility of the skate shoe is not always a good thing. Extra support in the heel area is nice, sure. But it doesn't help much if underneath the front part of the feet, impact protection is zero. And that's really the biggest flaw of any hybrid. You actually _don't_ want to feel every minute detail of the board under your toes. It's more useful to have a flick feeling that doesn't feel too heavy or too disconnected.
After skating vulcs for 2 years it felt so good to get Kyle walker pro the first ones and omg they feel amazing cushy my feet are happy
Do vulcs wear through the sole quicker than cupsole? Based on your description I don't see why they would but I thought they were actually a different kind of rubber...
I recently bought two pairs of new skate shoes, Straye(Logan) and Asics(Japan). I have to say skating the Straye are way easier to skate because of the board feel.
I used to like vulcanized rubber outsoles a lot until I got some cupsole Reeboks, now it's the only type of shoe I want to skate in. You're not wrong, in that, break in period is a lot longer for cupsole shoes as compared to vulcanized shoes.
Just bought cupsoles at as a over 40 skater, it has breathed new life into my feet!!!!
PS just bought a parking block, could you do a series on tricks on a parking block?
Your board slide on a curb from years back was great
I love vans half cab that’s the best cupsole I’ve skated I think.
I've been skating vans since I started so vulcanized shoes are great to me I feel like trying the Nike blazers to see how I skate In them
Busenitz vulc 2.0 is they best vulcanized shoe out there. Hands down
My favorite vulcanized shoes were the converse cons one star pro and the new balance 306
My favourite skate shoes are always my previous shoe (as I got used to them) - just really don't like getting used to new shoes. Definitely like how long cupsole shoes seem to last, like the feel of vulcanized more, but they only seem to last me 3-4 weeks max.
You sound almost like Ben, who likes all his setups and likes his current setup the best no matter what it is
Hey Ben, been watching the channel for ages and I love it. Was wondering if at any point you were considering doing a review on any èS shoes at all? Thank you!
Cupsole for me! Vans Pro vulcanised soles fall apart almost instantly these days. Etnies Marana with Michelin cupsoles all the way!
Long ago, in some interview, I believe it was Brian Wenning who said he and his pals would get his Dad to pull out the truck and drive over a new pair of cupsoles a few times to help with the 'break in' period. (Picturing those clunky old school cupsole Lynx)
I totally agree with you about the cupsole I just went and bought some dc crisis 2s on sale felt bad for them cause I feel like they are slowly going out of business
Should I get Ventures, Indy’s or thunders on my 8.25 Setup?
My preference would be Nike Janoski if they still made a W5. The M4 in the newer model gets too loose before I wear it out. Blazer mid is good for me because it stays on. Trying a Vans Ave cupsule and a Vans Lizzie next - they are narrow and come in small sizes. I am a beginner and I love your videos, can't really tell all your grinds apart though :) but still so fun. Thanks!
Currently skating Lakai Oxfords (tie dye canvas) and the board feel is fantastic.
Crockett high pro goes crazy
Any plans on releasing a Westgate 308 review video? I enjoyed the feel of the shoe, but maybe due to how I ollie, they would burn through my shoe lace within a weekend so I had to retire them. If you want to try some cupsoles, may I suggest the Nike SB Forces 58, I think it's their new model and they fit me perfectly so I think I've finally found my go to shoe. They have a similar sole as the Nyjahs, but the shape of a dunk.
I'm assuming you mean 508? I think they should put a leather or suede strip along the top side. My ollies wear there, but, maybe it's just because I'm not that good. I've noticed that the 440s look like the laces are further up and presumably will get shredded less. And the rubber on the side of the cup sole looked thicker compared to the 508s. I have some 440s on order. Interested to see how they compare.
ngl you just taught me the word "deft"
having a wide foot also makes cupsoles more painful and sometimes literally unusable due to the tightness of the toebox and width of the shoe, perhaps getting a E width would compensate but i generally feel much better in vulc shoes because it can more easily shape around my larger than average foot.
having said that, my NB 440s are finally starting to break in and get a bit more comfortable to wear and skate. they do skate great i have to say.
I have wide feet and my pinky toes hurt a lot after working 12 hours in steel toe cap shoes. Yesterday I skate vulc shoes for first time in 15 years. Oh man my knees and feet hurt after one hour session. By the way I'm 36 years old. Anyone who read this please suggest me cupsole shoes for wide feet. Thanks
The Rowan Pros are my favorite vulc shoe
Atm i‘m wearing Etnies Veer. Light, kinda flexable, good grip, good boardfeel and Cupsole cause I had heel bruises with vulc before (even when I most likely skate transition). Would recommend them to everyone, they are also a bit cheaper than Maranas and less bulky 👍🏻
Best cupsole shoes ever made for me was accell first edition and emerica mj1, best vulc shoes was the dvs tpud high.
Thanks for the video, helpful. I'll probably get a pair of those Newbalance shoes, as I get older I value a more comfortable shoe but I don't like it when they feel too bulky or heavy.
Favorite shoe/cupsole is Nike SB Dunk High and my favorite vulc is Nike SB Blazer Mid or the older Blazer GT’s
Hey Ben, cool video - I've really gotten a lot out of my Adidas 3ST.004 cup soles. Just enough boardfeel with perfect support, impact protection, and grip. There's exposed boost foam in the back of the shoe so that might complicate your heelflips / nollie heelflips but I haven't noticed that being an issue.
On the flipside, since I'm recovering from an ankle surgery, I'm trying to skate Nike SB Blazer Mids. For a vulcanized shoe they're pretty supportive underfoot and offer me a lot of ankle protection.
appreciate the video! Which skatepark were you skating at! looks super good for beginners might check it out if I ever make it to that side of the world! 👏
I got the best of two worlds I just got my first pair of the Kyle Walker pro 2
From what I can tell now my heel feel so much more locked in if they made one with laces for me it would be the perfect shoe
Aaah, just learned the word 'dainty' 😁
I got
the vans Skate classics with the pop Cush insoles and they took me a while to get used to it the shoe felt super thick and wide
New Balance looking super good on ya
There's no one that explains as good as him.
Awesome video Ben!!! Been looking at new shoes lately and this will be a big help in my deliberations. Haha might have to get a new board too!!!
anything Adidas skateboarding 3st003 line is amazing :)
If you're looking for a new skate shoe I would suggest the Tyshawn jones Adidas mids they last forever, they are super good for heelflips, they are very comfortable, and just a great overall shoe hope this helps.
I think the Tyshawn jones would great shoe for a review.
Your heelflips looked particularly saucy in the Newbalance shoes
I used to skate vulcs vans/emericas when I was skating big sessions every day in my mid 20s but I’m in my mid 30s now and struggle with vulcs I’m trying a pair of the old skool pros after skating the joslin 1s for a couple of years and I just have no confidence with them. I don’t know if it’s the thin top or the beefy rubber but I can’t land kickflips or tres for squat. I think I’m still getting used to them again but they just feel so thin and it’s effected my commitment to tricks.
What are the nike shoes in the thumbnail called?
I learn so much on this channel...Ben is the best! The dude is so cool he left instagram hahaha
Yup. I felt Instagram takes a lot more than it offers. I have never gotten off a scroll binge and felt better than when I started.
@@bendegros Yeah you are 100% right!
The only vulc shoes that work for me are the Adidas 3st 1 and 2. They have that yeezy boost feel and a decent amount of padding on the heel