A Look Back at the 2012-2014 Oakland Athletics | Stat Stories
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- The Oakland Athletics were pretty mediocre for a number of years. They had some promising young pitchers in 2011, and Billy Beane decided to trade those guys away for a number of prospects. It looked like the A's were finally going to rebuild from the ground up. But that's not what happened at all.
In this video I look at how the A's somehow won a division title against two heavy weight teams in the Texas Rangers and Los Angeles Angels. The A's managed to win thanks to some incredible rookie pitching from guys like Jarred Parker and Tommy Milone. And they would win the division again the next season and a wild card berth after that. Josh Donaldson, Brandon Moss, and Derek Norris were some of the breakout stars of the team that lived off of drawing walks.
But then, Billy Beane blew up the roster again. All stars were traded away, and few of the players they received in return panned out. Could the Oakland Athletics stayed competitive if they kept the roster together?
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Upcoming video topics include a pair of National League teams as well as a certain slugger named JD. Also, check out the World of Baseball podcast. I was a guest on a recent episode on prospects, but Benzion uploads pretty frequently so give him a look! open.spotify.com/episode/3QbBcM3Vl0jT5DFydh0o5H?si=vqEaMtIiSNmSErBrIsXCwA
Is the upcoming video J.D Davis on the Mets?
Mets Fan12 he hearted my comment about that so I’m hoping so!
So excited for a video about my cardinals!
As a Bay Area Native, I've noticed how rare it is for analysts to even talk about the A's. Even when they've proven themselves to be in contention, they're almost never projected to win the division. Thanks for making this video!
I live on the east coast so I never hear about them, the mariners, or the padres. So those teams always intrigue me!
As a A’s fan 2014 made me cry that was such a brutal loss the weak hits and the stolen bases our players getting injured. The best part that people don’t realize about 2014 is that the A’s were getting on National Tv, 2 Sunday night baseball games bunch of games on fox. It goes On and on. After that nobody ever broadcasts us unless they have to for the playoffs
“The A’s would get a wild car berth in 2014...”
My PTSD: *skips 10 seconds*
SAME.
Same
Shure dude
Felt that one
And now this year we have arguably the best team the A’s have assembled in the last 15 years, and we might be cheated out of it cuz of corona, and lose key pieces to free agency without them playing a single game in 2020
Quincy Ballgloves as a mariners fan it’ll be nice not getting absolutely bitched on by the A’s for a full 19 games lol
I'm afraid were going to lose Marcus. He reminds me of Miguel Tejada in a way, where people hated on him his first one or two years, then played his guts out in both offense and defense the next 3.
About Time 😂
The A's have been building winners for over 30 years, almost always a competitive team so cry somewhere else.
Commenter 10 Jakeape? Is that you?
As an A’s fan, I feel like only A’s fans remember how good those 2012-2014 teams. If we had beat the Tigers in 2013, we could’ve competed for a World Series
So if you would have made it out of the ALDS, you would have competed to play for a World Series. You don't say...
I was living in near seattle during those years and went to every game against the Mariners. Mariners "fans" (more like people who show up to games because of corporate meetings at the park) were always thinking thr Mariners would win, then saw Oakland had a monster squad, and would not pay attention to the game at all.
They had that series in the bag until Balfour lit a fire under all of Detroit in his Game 3
save
Cespedes saved that team, I remember seen the stadium filled and cuban flags got exciting to watch, in my opinion he started the success for that team.
he freaking needs to stop going to that ranch
Living in the Bay Area it’s different when the A’s are good
Different how? Here in the Valley its rare to see A's fans. You mostly see the other team from the bay, well when they win.
@@truthtoberevealed5314 there’s rarely any “A’s Fans” in Oakland let alone The Bay Area, Stockton, Sacramento area. More Giants fans, Yankees & Dodgers fans fill out the Oakland Coliseum than when they play against the A’s
A video about the brewers from 2008-2011 would be pretty interesting... the Prince Fielder/Ryan Braun/CC Era. Specifically the CC half season with the brewers is pretty nuts stat wise! Otherwise the team in 2011 team had an ungodly july that would be interesting for you, I hope. Hope to see it and keep making cool content.
This made me cry...its hard being an A's fan...
Tell me about it! But you gotta admit it is the best feeling when they have winning seasons. Hey but win or lose always an A's fan.
@@truthtoberevealed5314 yea if you can struggle through the days of Bob Geren as the skipper, anything is possible.
Please do a video on how JD Davis went from hitting below .200 in the majors to hitting .300 25 hrs and 50 rbi in about 350 at bats
Mariners fan here, I was baffled that when they traded away Cespedes. Always thought that was the catalyst for their fall cause Donaldson lost all protection in the lineup
Man 2012-2014 was definitely the era when I started following baseball more. I’ve been in the Bay Area all my life and all my friends were giants fans but the A’s were my team I grew to love. That 2014 season could’ve taken us to the World Series if we never had those post ASG trades and that 2014 WC game still breaks my heart. I’m super excited now for our future and our current team but I wish that 2014 squad could’ve stayed in tact! Green collar baseball forever 💪🏽
Daniel Reyes they shouldn’t of traded for fucking Lester we should of kept cespedes and just kept the team from the first half and take the momentum into the playoffs cause we know the royals got lucky in that wild card game
@@Bucketgetter215 agreed, although Lester was a good addition to our bullpen (I even went to his debut game vs KC) Cespedes was too essential for our offense and our outfield. We would've taken the division and wouldn't have to worry about a Wild Card game lol. That first half team was amazing and one of my favorite squads for sure.
So many Aussies on those A's teams.
Jacob Byers grant balfour
I noticed that too when making this. Balfour, Blackley, and now Hendriks!
A'stralians.
Great video, it’s crazy how different things might have turned out had the A’s just shut the door on the Royals in the wild card game. I guess I never realized how much of a turning point that moment was for the franchise. Their young core now is great to watch and hopefully they’ll be competitive for a long time.
So cool to hear you went to Philmont! One of the best camping areas in America. Love the content, keep it up
Its a real shame with whats been happening because this year might of been the best team we have given Melvin.
Bobby, for a Video Idea, look at the Royals prospects like you did the Mariners and Marlins. They have some interesting players like Bobby Witt Jr., Daniel Lynch, Jackson Kowar, Brady Singer, and Kyle Isbel. I’ve also heard about this other guy out of Stanford Kris Bubic that the Royals got, I heard he is pretty good.
Hey Bobby, great video! I only really started following baseball 5 years ago, so I kinda missed the A’s during their heyday, but I’d always seen clips of Donaldson and Cespedes on the team yet I’d never known how truly good the team was. Also, I’ve been watching your stuff for a while now, and I just realized something: I don’t think you’ve ever mentioned who your favorite team is (and if you did, I guess I don’t remember)! So, I was wondering, which is it? As always, keep up the good work man!
I havent said it in a video yet but it's the Phillies!
As a lifelong A’s fan, the Donaldson and Cespedes trades are the two most unforgettable and unforgivable in my time as a fan. They’ve once again rose to contenders with trades but I can’t help but see a parallel between 12-14 and 18-21 where these teams are great in the regular season, fail in the playoffs, and get blown up once the contract extensions are up. I fear that guys like Olson, Chapman, Canha, Bassit, Manaea, Laureano will get traded for prospects, once again signaling a rebuild. It’s very frustrating
When you were talking about where the 2012-13 A's teams ranked in pitching and offense and said the offense was even better in 2014, my face went o_O. But then you put down the disclaimer that said *should have said was better until August, and I immediately shouted to myself "Oh god oof"! In all honesty, I'm more triggered by the Sonny Gray trade than Donaldson as an A's fan. Gray was traded just a deadline before their playoff-bound 2018 team and now our rotation could've been Gray / Manaea / Montas / Luzardo / Puk :O.
The sonny trade seemed bad at the time, but Kaprelian, Mateo, and Fowler still have potential. Plus the Yanks ended up trading him after 2018.
Now it’s looking like Mateo will be out of the organization as soon as the rosters unfreeze, as he has suitors in the Royals and Tigers. I’m thankful that Kaprielian is on track to be an exciting bullpen depth piece hopefully when baseball returns this year. The Yanks pretty much wrecked Sonny with terrible pitcher coaching and trying to turn him into a Masahiro Tanaka clone by insisting he throw a lot more of his lesser effective offspeed pitches. He had a stellar second half with the Reds last year and the numbers he put up are pretty close to Jack Flaherty, and there’s still room for growth.
everytime u knock these videos outta the park. one of my favorite baseball channels for sure.
As an Eagle Scout I have even more appreciation for the 2012 story. Great video
Great video! Congratulations on 13K
Great video. I remember crying in the living room all over my 4th grade math homework when they lost to KC in 2014. Good times.
Just a tip because I love your channel and want it to blow up so bad, if you could just extend your videos a little longer and get them to ten minutes, and feel like that could really help with the algorithm and maybe get your name out to more people. Also, another great video!
Jacob Beaudway na short is better believe me
Thegoodfella I agree. I’m not saying make them 20 mins or something but for a vid like this, even 1 or 2 extra graphics would have been enough to push it over 10 mins. It tough though cause the fast pace is what makes the vids so entertaining :/
I prefer shorter videos but I know I'm getting close to that 10 min mark. I won't try to force it, but since I make money off of this now, I have incentive to get that extra ad slot in!
I would love to see an in depth look into borderline hall of fame careers for some of my favorites like Moises Alou, Ian Kinsler, Magglio Ordonez, Jim Edmunds, etc. How they stack up against legends, and why they ultimately fell or may fall through the cracks. Create the Hall of Great from those that have fallen off of the ballot already or likely will when their time comes (Kinsler for example). Keep up the great work!
Love your channel!! Please do a video on the prospects for the Mariners and the way Jerry Dipoto is basically gambling with them!!
Jackson Brown he already did one, I believe about a month or two ago
I think a good topic to cover is Adam Duvall's dwindling 2018 season, his resurgent 2019 season in the minors, and his phenomenal final month-and-a-half of 2019. It's definitely interesting to look at.
Bobby You're the man!!!! Been a pleasure Having you On the site
Keep the fire coming
2012 A's: if the Mariners kept pace with how they played the first two/three weeks of 2019
2015 A's: how the entire 2019 Mariners season went
The Mariners have to be thinking what could have been in 2014 and 2018. 1 game short in '14, and a sub-par 2nd half in '18 after being 50-31 at the halfway point.
It *might* be interesting to do something similar, covering the Pittsburgh Pirates squad from 2013-2015.
They made the wild card in 3 straight seasons, which was the first time they made the postseason since the year I was born, 1992.
Or, how the '14-'15 KC Royals were constructed to make back-to-back World Series after a 29 year playoff drought.
Maybe do this for the Red Sox From 2011-2016
Wow you just brought me back. Summer 2012 and ‘13, i was at Boy Scout camp during the trade deadline. I remember rushing to check the trades when I got home.
That's so relatable 😂
Your content is so well done - thanks!
Also, please do one on how on earth the Twins became a crazy good HR-hitting team out of nowhere 😅😁
Aaron Telander I make baseball videos on my channel and it would mean a lot if you could support
I'm positive that if you keep up the solid editing and information that you put into these videos, you'll see your subscriber count explode someday soon. Love your videos!
Ayyyy another Baseball UA-cam channel to sub to! Nice work my man.
I remember Donaldson and loved him on the athletics before when I feel like he got famous. Still love him to this day.
Great Video! Keep up the great work this is exactly what I need to get through quarantine.
I remember when you had 2K, now you have 12K
Strawberry Boi I also remember watching him like a month ago lol he’s growing fast
Gained over 8,000 subs in the past month!
Can’t believe I lived through all of this. 😭
Please do a Rangers video, they have two pitchers finish in the top 10 in Cy Young Voting but the back end of the rotation had a 7.2 ERA. They brought in Kluber by trade and signed Jordan Lyles and Kyle Gibson. All to go along with some intriguing prospects like Nick Solak and Scott Heinemann plus last years Calhoun breakthrough; in 337 AB he hit 21 HRs with a 110 WRC+
Love the videos keep up the good work
hey, bobby great video! also cool to know you were a boy scout, I'm a life scout right now.
That's awesome! I'm an eagle scout (once an eagle always an eagle) and did a community baseball field renovation for my project. Scouts was a great experience
a video about the statistically weirdest players would be cool!
David Cannon Great idea! I make baseball videos on my channel and it would mean a lot if you could support
David Cannon rougned odor man hits .200, strikes out, doesn’t walk, low OBP, but hits 30 hrs a year 😂😂
Exactly! I’m sure there are other players who are just as weird.
I'm an Oakland native and a diehard A's fan since birth. I remember graduating college in 2014, returning home thinking the A's would make the World Series that year, and watching in horror as it all fell apart. The Donaldson trade and its aftermath destroyed A's fans' trust in Beane. Six years later, and many of us still have fears they could jettison Chapman or Olson like they did JD.
Money
I couldn't even imagine how angry and truly disturbed you are having witnessed the A's do it yet again. As I, myself an A's fan, feel quite disgusted and unbelievably angry at the owners.
Thank you for this amazing interest
I’d love to see a video on Joey Votto. There’s so much material there. You could go with his meteoric rise, his absurd prime, or even his precipitous downfall and make an equally compelling video in any direction. I’d love to hear your opinion on if he has anything left in the tank.
Votto is a great topic. I know his walk rate went down and K rate went up last year which is concerning. But with today's use of analytics and new stats, I think he gets in the hall of fame
Travis Blackley was the first autograph I ever got as a kid! At a M's game in '04. Hadnt heard that name in forever haha.
Do a video about the 2015 New York Mets !!!
The Best Stat Man
Period
Can you please make an in depth video of the statistical improvements/changes that were made by the Astros before and after they cheated.
Was at the game when they clinched against the Rangers in the last game of the season. God I miss baseball.
I went to all 3 games of the rangers series, best atmosphere I’ve been a part of
You’re gonna blow up soon, keep up the good work!
I really enjoyed this breakdown! Could we get one similar to the Angels and how they only had one competitive season in 2014?
I feel like analyzing the regression after superstars sign huge deals would be awesome. Think Harper and Machado for recent memory!
I started watching baseball because of a roommate in 2012, he was from the Bay Area and an A's fan, needless to say I got hooked pretty easy watching that team.
Jarrod Parker was my favorite from the 2012 team
Hey, nice video ;)
You should make a video about the forgotten 2005 white sox and how good they were. Especially how dominant they were in the postseason.
I will always love my A's, but my heart still hurts when Beane traded away Cespedes.
Same but I think he was just costing the As too much money as they could t afford him with the lowest payroll in the league
Awesome video, I like this baseball randomness being summarized. It's like, hey look at this, baseball happened here, so, logic dictated this, but then, baseball happened here again, so logic dictated otherwise, and then, baseball happened again, so you know, very interesting baseball facts that only baseball can offer.
Pleaseeeeee do a video on Rube Waddell... The guy was batshit crazy and a hall of famer, all in one.
It's cool that you went to Philmont I was supposed to go in 2017 but it was cancelled due to fires it was rescheduled for this summer and then cancelled due to COVID-19.
That sucks. I went in 2013
That's such a shame. I hope you're able to go one day!
You should do a video on Matt Chapman & Nolan Arrenado and how they're the two best defensive players in the league regardless of position, and they went to the same high school
3:20 hey I took that Philmont expedition a year after you did!
Do a video about the Oakland A’s 2018 season and how they turned it around after the all star break! Pleaaasseee!!!!!
The crazy thing about the A's is they could be a contender consistently had they kept their players. It seems to me they are a team stuck in purgatory because seemingly, they are too quick to pull the trade trigger instead of letting the team figure it out like say, the Yankees. Who pull off trades but keep their important players.
Great video! Could you maybe do a video on vlad jr’s disappointing rookie season and how he’s in much better shape?
(A's fan here) Here is the big picture to look at with the A's, you have to go back to the year Zito walked and went to the Giants. From 2007-2011 it was mixed with an Ownership change, and really BAD drafting. We only got lucky when we drafted Sonny Gray, the majority of the higher prospects just sucked. 2012 was the unexpected but LUCKY year that the A's had caught lightning in a bottle. They were meh at best the first half and really good the 2nd half. The 2012 year also marked a few issues that A's always had, injured pitchers. No matter what some pitcher would just get hurt which made matters worse. 2013 turned out to be a lucky year for the A's, limited injuries and decent pitching. They didn't need to acquire any major pieces for the the team had jelled nicely. However what happened during Spring Training in 2014 doomed the team and the future. 2014 was the year the A's would do it, BUT Jarrod Parker and AJ Griffen went down for Tommy John, that decimated the pitching rotation. Also mix in Bartolo walked to the Mets that fall didn't help either. Instead the A's signed Scott Kazmir. The A's also acquired a star closer in Jim Johnson to shut down the last inning for us, this guy was crap and really hurt when we had let Grant Balfour walk as well. This team was very good for the first half. BUT EVERY one who talks about the teams failures in trades doesn't realize that INJURIES didn't help. No matter what, someone on this team got hurt and right when the team had a great lead in the standings they pulled the big trades for Hamel and Samardzija. But here is the deal that people don't realize, these 2 pitchers were brought in to stablize the rotation. Samardzija did just that, BUT Hamel was not what we needed him to be. Then to top it 3rd SP Jesse Chavez was on gas, he started to lose his edge and became a pumpkin. This is why the A's needed Lester. They needed Lester for TWO reasons, 1) To beat f**king Verlander and 2) to win a winner take all WC game if it came to that. Remember the bad drafting i mentioned earlier, yeah you can't acquire Lester if you don't have anything to give. No team wants your trash heap. Literally the A's had NO trade chips, and then to mix in the fact of a cheap ownership that really didn't want to spend, go figure. If they had an extra 10million to spend they could have sent it to Boston and say "here's some $$$, will that get Lester?"
Then comes the other fact, the A's heavily invested in cheap PLATOON type players. Guys who bat well against RH pitchers, but suck against LH pitchers, mix in a guy who can do the opposite and boom you got an All Star 1/2 player. The trade with Lester included Johnny Gomes, who was a great hitter and mixed well with Sam Fuld. Heres the problem, he SUCKED after the deadline.Then to top it All Star Closer Doolittle got hurt, Brandon Moss had hip issues, and then the worst thing to occur was the injury to the BEST back up outfielder in Craig Gentry who recieved a MAJOR concussion and would NEVER recover from this injury would come back to haunt the A's in the WC. Not to mention Fan Favorite Coco Crisp having neck injury issues that he sustained in May. By the Wild Card, the Team was injured and on fumes. Too many good players hurt, and here's the deal people state the Lester Trade was a failure, it was not. He came in, shut down the Royals through 8.2 innings and really only got skrewed by Luke Gregerson who blew the 6 run lead the A's had. To be honest, the A's couldn't compete with the Roster they had in 2015. They didn't have the money and really what killed the team in 2015 was simply the Bull Pen, the starting pitchers on the A's were the best in the league, but when they handed it over to the Bullpen the pen would just give the opposing team a win. There are so many variables to what happened and is an example of what you can do to make the situation better. Heres the other side of the coin post this run, their losses in 2015-2017 gained them the needed prospects to compete in the game. They got top tier prospects in AJ Puk, they got great trade returns with Jesus Luzardo, they really had the opportunity to really build the team from the ground up. There is no other team in baseball (except the Dodgers), who can compete on the level of the a's with their farm assets. They made a lot of great, post Donaldson Trades and I think that trade was a more compete now deal, and you have to look at the after trades to really see the effect. Sometimes the pieces go thru a few iterations to see their effects. So we got Brett Lawrie and who did we get back JB Wendelken who has become a rather good bullpen asset. Barreto could be seen as trade bait for something else we need. If you ever want to have fun go through the steps of the Mark Mulder trade the A's made with the St Louis Cardinals. Players on the Current 2020 Roster are still to this day linked through players traded from Mark Mulder.
Love the vids man keep it up
I used to cheer for the A's in the 2012-2014 era before they traded Cespedes, Reddick, and all those guys. I also loved Balfour and Doolittle. It was a great team to watch
Joe Blow so what I’m getting from this is your a bandwagon fan?
@@nysportsfan31 I'm sorry are you offended that I cheer for teams that put a good product on the field and that I demand success or that I refuse to watch a team trade away my favorite player and flounder. The MLB is a business don't give me that bs
Joe Blow I like how you got triggered when I was just saying that I was reading you were a bandwagon fan and I never mentioned being offended or upset. Way to go big boy. Feel powerful? Nice I hope you do. 😂😂
You should do Astros rebuild. Luhnow inheritted a bottom 5 farm system and worst team record wise in baseball. Built them up to where they are now. I know they cheated, but it was very impressive nonetheless
I still remember getting a woken up by my friend to a call freaking out telling me Cespedes had been traded. Awful move. Broke the offense after that. We went from the best team in baseball to 88 wins and squeaking in as the second wild card. That Donaldson trade is one of the worst of all time and is the only reason Barreto is still on the club. They’ve given up on so many so fast (like Profar after 1 season) But Barreto stays and I’m convinced they don’t want to admit complete defeat with that horrendous trade.
2012 was the year of Brandon in the Bay Area.
The Giants and A's had:
Brandon Belt
Brandon Crawford
Brandon Inge
Brandon Moss
Brandon Hicks
Brandon McCarthy...
and I almost forgot
Brandon Allen.
You should do a video of “how the twins went from mediocre to World Series contender” video
you should do a what happened to Jarrod Parker on the A's. If it wasn't for his elbow failing he wouldve been a big star
When you went to Philmont, I was on my High Adventure trip to Idaho, Wyoming and Montana!
the current A's team is lead by Khris Davis, Matt Olson, Marcus Semien and Sean Manaea.
Oakland was smart to capitalize on Donaldson, Cespedes, and Samardzija while they could. They don’t have a large enough budget to pay them plus Olson and Chapman in the future, so they got a solid return from them instead. Being a Mariner fan, I know all about what it’s like to have a small budget....
God damn wish Oakland had a bigger budget so we could’ve afforded to keep some players
Aye! Shoutout to phimont! Amazing place
Loving the solid production on your videos Bobby! Did you make it to Eagle while you were in Scouting?
Yes I did! My project was a community baseball field renovation and then we held a youth baseball camp on the field. It was an awesome time!
@@outtaherebaseball3205 Awesome! My high school is in downtown Cleveland, Ohio; they have a department dedicated to charity work for the inner city. Part of the school's charity work involved providing toys for tots, which were cluttered in an attic in a house on the school's campus. I built some shelving units for the Arrupe House - as it was called - wholly out of plywood and 2x4s for them. Doesn't sound like much, but my scouting district really wanted us to think outside the box when it came to our projects!
That's a great project!!
Got a good one for ya: 2012-2016 Orioles. Had more wins than any team in baseball throughout that time. It'd be cool to see how they got to where they are now.
More than the dodgers?
@@BASEBALLfreakFORlife Yes. More than every team. That stat gets forgotten because of how bad they've been recently. But they used to be the class of the AL.
Austin oh I know. They had a squad back then with machado, hardy, Chris Davis before he went blind, Adam Jones, wieters, and so on. Just didn’t know they had the most wins during that time
Oh yes that would be a great topic! I looked at 2012 season predictions when making this and the O's and A's massively outperformed expectations
Can you break down the Toronto Blue Jays Please
Do a review of the royals rise and fall and what their rebuild looks like!
I always forget that the Lester and Cespedes trade even happened.
That day I knew we weren't going to make the WS...
Lester was garbage. How do you blow that lead in the WC?
Donald Campbell if me from 6th grade remembers correctly, I thought gregerson blew the lead
Edit: after overcoming my worst fear and watching the highlights from that game, looks like gregerson inherited the runners from Lester. Whatever fuck that game anywas
@@louispecceu2952 another blown opportunity. Oh well. Hopefully they get the season started soon!
All this content is fantastic is there a patreon we can tip at?
I don't have patreon yet but it's something I'll be looking into!
Awesome vid
I always love the content in your videos, but I will say the repetitive music in the background does get a little distracting.
I feel that and that's something I want to change!
What happened was the A's sacrificed their hitting for pitching rentals and it all fell apart.
Can you do the Detroit tigers rebuild please
damn 2014 was our best chance out of those years sucks no one in our lineup was 100% healthy
Love the vid man
Great video.
Try being a Blue Jays fan where, aside from 2015-2016, they are around .500 for the last twenty years.
1 like 10 push-ups and 10 sit-ups so I can look like Aron judge just not as tall hopefully
here's the real question...can we get a video on Brandon Webb?
Yes! Next time I make a "what happened to" video it'll be him
@@outtaherebaseball3205 definitely looking forward to this! you have earned yourself a new sub over the weekend. definitely looking forward to anything you come out with. keep the good content rolling, my dude. :)
Fantastic vid. God I love the As
I don't know how to play baseball and I don't think there's a team of any kind where I live.
But I watched moneyball and I bought an A's cap so I suppose I'm an A's fan now
Nothing wrong with that! They're a good team too
Where would Donaldson play with Matt Chapman and Matt Olson on the roster.