Long time GSD owner dropping in with some tips. 1. If you have hills and interact with traffic, get the IGH (internally geared hub.) An IGH lets you downshift while stopped. You're gonna have to slam on the breaks midway up a hill because some SUV driver wasn't watching where they were going. The IGH is the difference between being able to get started again and having to dismount. 2. If you have plans to transport a child, an pet, or anything heavy, get the double kickstand. It's the difference between success and disaster. 3. If you are carrying weight on the back, the difference between a middrive and an hub drive is huge. REI just released a store brand with a similar form factor to the HSD. I know from chatting with an owner if the REI bike that adding a kid seat to the rear rack means that it wants to tip backwards.
This is extremely helpful. I've been leaning towards the HSD vs GSD and with the updates I was like sweet I can finally carry my wife or really heavy cargo with ease. I'll definitely be getting the internal geared with the double kickstand!
I don't really get why anyone would want a derailleur setup on a bike like this. The main advantages of derailleurs is cost, weight and efficiency (if well maintained). Cost doesn't matter because it's a tiny part of the overall bill of materials for a bike like this. Weight, well, same thing. Then lastly, efficiency doesn't matter because you have a motor helping out to more than make up the difference. I saw Cannondale are getting into the electric cargo bike space, and noticed that both their models have derailleurs. Seems really bizarre to me. At least with Tern you have the choice.
@@liamnessfor me with the chain and derailleur it’s the peace of mind knowing that when something goes wrong, i can either fix it on the side of the road myself, or go to the nearest bike shop and find replacement parts very easily and cheaply. if something goes wrong with a belt drive gearbox, i’m stranded on the road, and/or likely waiting weeks for replacement parts + labour at the shop. i’d rather have a drivetrain that requires more frequent maintenance that i can do myself, than one that’s lower maintenance but too specialized and expensive for me to fix. i use my ebike for work so i depend on it being predictable and available
Hey Following your channel from Paris France for something like 3 years maybe.. and you clearly played a big part in my decision to buy a Tern Bicycle, and even for the choice of my hsd version. I wanted to have the “derailleur” version but after seeing this precise video I changed my mind and opted for the nexus one. So finally I’ll have my hsd next Tuesday after years of indecision watching your channel and testing bikes in Paris shops… Don’t want to be to long here it was just to say a big thanks to you Chris. Clearly you participate to put a lot of hsd in the world. So you can tell yourself that somebody is riding an hsd next week in Paris streets thanks to you. Merci !
Super cool!!! Thanks so much for sharing this! I hope you report back on how your journey goes. Maybe we even meet on a path one day. Paris is on my bucket list to visit. I just need to coordinate with my family
Great upgrade to the HSDs! Now, if Tern would just make a belt-drive Vektron with an IGH, I'd be at the front entrance of your Brooklyn Navy Yard location first thing in the morning.
Love the work of this channel, it's important to keep promoting bikes as the best transport option for the vast majority of people. Of course there are barriers, cost being the primary one and bike infrastructure another, but we have to start somewhere. A cargo bike is a great option, I end up with the benno boost which I love, it's become my daily commute even in the wet, and we get a lot of that in the UK.
Thank you for this review. I am really considering this bike! I currently have a full cargo bike. I enjoy if a great deal but it is a little cumbersome and I live in a small place. As a pro-tip, I needed a way to get my bike up and down the stairs more easily as I am out a few times a day and it weighs 80 pounds. I bought a single truck loading ramp and use it to bypass the six stairs at my front door - second best buy ever (after my cargo bike)
@@HarryLovesRuth It has tabs that are about 5 centimetres long at the top and flat "feet" on the botttom. I have had it in place for about 18 months and it has never moved, even in the winter
I tested a Gen 1 HSD and it was wobbly and twitchy plus the active line was really underpowered. I can see those concerns have been addressed, I can't wait to test ride the new gen and see how it goes (I have ordered one, with the promise of if I don't like i don't need to buy) I have been riding a riese and muller tinker for the last year and the ride quality is quite superior, not sure what to expect from the nexus inter-5e coming from Enviolo. Thanks for all your vídeos they are great!
I tested the new HSD p5i; the ride quality definitely improved. However, I missed the Enviolo, the Enviolo + smart system that I tested in the Tinker 2 is amazing! So I ended up ordering the HSD S00, but my bike shop told me I need to wait until July. I was told the models have been sent to Europe and the US mainly, so there are no S00 models here in Australia.
@showboat4869 I suppose if you're not planning to put kids on the bike, there's no reason not to choose the Tinker, since it has a bit of cargo capacity. I've ridden my Tinker for 8,000 kilometers and it still rides like new. However, if you're bringing kids, the HSD rear rack is the better choice.
@@aerz290482 oh thanks for the feedback and your thoughts. Great to know from someone who has ridden both. Hope you have lots of fun on the HSD when it gets to Australia. I’m jealous haha
As an HSD owner I really feel they need to include the double kickstand. The little dangling kickstand they include is an insult. Everything on the bike is specially engineered for cargo except the one piece that is necessary to safely load that cargo.
Great review, thanks so much. I have one on order with my LBS. On small note: you say the S00 is available in Black. When I ordered it, the form said Dark Blue. The video here looks dark blue, and Arleigh and Sean from Tern confirmed with me that it is dark blue. Which I love!!! I can't wait to get it in my hands.
I really wish they made a belt drive model that goes 28mph. I have a quick haul p9 that I absolutely love, but I do sometimes wish I had more capacity. That few extra mph makes a huge difference where I ride and is a deal breaker for me
Having gone from a Quick Haul to an HSD, the geometry is relaxed that I don't like it. I can't replicate the QH's fit on here cuz of how slack the seat tube is.
Question for Chris: Do you think the HSD S00 with the Enviolo hub is suitable for touring that would include some hilly terrain, on roads? I like the belt drive for low maintenance. I would not have too much cargo for touring...maybe 50 lbs. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
I am surprised that you didn't discuss the lack of automatic shifting in the Gen 2 models at all. As a happy owner of the Gen 1 S+, I am disappointed that Tern has removed the automatic shifting option from Gen 2. Do you have any insight into the reason? FWIW, our automatic shifting system has been working very well since Day 1.
Bosch will have e-Shift available next year with the smart system. Maybe Tern will bring it back when it’s available. It might be possible to upgrade the manual one as well, but that will require Tern’s approval if we do an integrated version.
@@Propelbikes Thank you for the quick reply. It's good to know that Bosch will introduce its own automatic shifting next year. I guess the speculation is that Tern may add a model with the Bosch e-Shift system to the Gen 2 line next year?
Totally agree. We too have the S+ Gen 1 HSD (from Propel!) and love it for deep inner city riding. You want to focus on the traffic, not 'What gear am I in?' In other words it's *safer*!! I'm disappointed Tern have removed this option, at least for 2023. Keen to upgrade, but will likely hold off till then.
I just startend riding a HSD. It is the winner over all else. I do 30km a day on roads for a commute, and then it is ace for the school pickup run and groceries with my Ortlieb panniers on the back... I too would like a belt drive that goes up to 28 mph... but will try to import the new S00 to Australia (as it give me the US 20 mph/32kmph)... instead of just 25km which is our limit and pretty slow in reality.
I'd like the battery capacity to comfortably cover 55 miles a day and the flexibility to keep up with traffic with at least 45mi/hr or even on occasion bursts of 70mi/hr
I really like the cargo load in the front on my cargo bike. I’ve had both front and rear loading bikes and prefer the ability to keep an eye on what I’m hauling. If I were to haul kids, I’d 1000% want them in the front - but my dog also needs to be watched. I am not sure why NYC prevents the Bullitt from being sold, but it has been the best, most useful bike I’ve ever had. I put an outdoor sofa on it and hauled it home the other day. That sofa would not fit in my car. It is my “Denmark” army knife 😂.
I recently discovered your channel. I am a part time delivery rider with my mode of transport being an ebike. It's interesting to see such reviews even though they won't be approved by my country.
I just got one, the p10 orange. I love it. And hey hey, I don't know if that is the case for all p10's but I can remove the key from the lock even with the lock open.
I am considering an HSD, but not sure which model would suit me best. I am in my seventies, have arthritic knees and live in a hilly area. I have an old rear hub drive electric bike that I rarely ride because it is so big, heavy & cumbersome. I just don’t like it & have to walk it up a lot of hills. I also have a non-electric Brompton which I love and ride a lot but would like to increase my range. I added a second chainring, so now have twelve gears and know a bit about both internal hubs and derailleurs but nothing about belt drives except their users seem to love them. Storage is also an issue, as I don’t have a garage or accessible shed. Speed is a non issue for me. I live in the UK where we are limited to 15mph. I like the idea of maximum torque but not shorter range. 5 gears seem a bit limited for rural areas like mine, too. What are the gear inches on these different models? I am also considering a Vektron but like the idea of more comfort and cargo capability of the HSD. Smallish dogpacking is calling me. I would occasionally want to put the bike in my car, but never for public transport (that is why I have a Brompton). I think the older model with Active Line plus motor, more range and gears might suit me better. Any advice or observations would be appreciated.
Hey Chris! Still love my GSD, its Bosch motor, and the accessories that Tern sells. (Bought the bike locally and all my accessories through Propel.) 11/10 Great Experience all around. And now for the crap in the crap sandwich: There's been momentum to exempt ebikes from right to repair, and I want to flag up some issues that might not be at the forefront of bike shop thinking. 1. The batteries are only one component of the ebike system. I agree that people shouldn't be home tinkering with lithium ion cells unless they really know what they are doing. However, locking down the rest of the drivetrain is really unfortunate. I bought my GSD from a big chain with a local outfit instead of from Propel because I knew that I would need the dealer services for the Bosch system. If I hadn't had a local dealer, I wouldn't have fell safe making the investment. 2. Ebikes are going to have a long life past their original owners, and as they make their way though that chain, they need to be repairable by shade tree mechanics. I recently finished the book Wasteland, and it contains an interview with a Ghanan computer dealer. He can keep a Dell laptop running for 15 years because he can work on it and get parts. An non working ipad goes directly to the dump. Our first gen ebikes are going to make their way to places where the difference between trash and treasure is going to be repairability. Crap filling complete. I really admire all the work you have done to make ebikes viable transportation options in NYC, NYS, and other locations. If you disagree with me on right to repair, that doesn't mean that I think you are a bad person. But I hope you'll consider the points I've made and pass them along to others in the industry.
I actually very much support this outside of the battery. I think many people “think” they are capable of repairing a battery and getting it to work is very different from keeping it safe. I very much support and encourage repair over replacing and hope we see more of this on products like the Bosch system. This is already happening in Europe and we hope to be part of an effort to encourage this in the US. The new smart system oddly depends less on the dealer with over the air updates and the ability to communicate diagnostic information wirelessly. I think we are moving in the right direction that way, but still a lot more progress to make
Is this a good bike for easy but long tours? I live in a big city, where the utility factor of this bike is great, but i also live on the edge of the city with beautiful nature all around. So i need something to cover both.
Thank you for this update on the Tern. I am happy enough with my Tinker Vario, it meeting my criteria of being idiot proof, low maintenance, easy to store and transport in the back of my car, having good brakes for the downhill and good torque for uphill (I live on a pretty big hill) , but I have my eye on a belt drive Tern for its superior cargo capacity and better step through design and appearance overall. Eventually it would be great to upgrade to a Tern.
I'm a gen 1 owner (and love it!), but the smart system is enough to make me consider upgrading. Wishing there was another IGH option as the P5i just isn't enough range for the hills here and I'm not a fan of Enviolo CVT - this was also an issue with Gen 1 of course. Seems silly to say, but I'm not loving the new colors. I'm curious if you noticed a different feel to the geometry of the bike? I saw that with Gen 2 the saddle is a couple of inches further from the handle bars vs. Gen 1, which is also a bit disappointing. Unfortunately the increase in weight also just puts it over the limit for bus bike racks here. So a few tradeoffs to consider.
Great review. We love our GSD s00 LX (from Propel LB) and looking to get a second Tern for my spouse to ride along. Still debating between a Quick Haul D8 vs HSD...and if the $1,300 upgrade is worth it when you already have the GSD.
What a nice bike. What's the battery range like? I have a 44 km round trip commute to work every day. I have to charge my current bike's Shimano battery after each leg of the ride. Not impressed with the performance. I think it might be time for an upgrade.
I have a similar commute. Bosch has a 725 WH battery that can and should work for this tern hsd port. I have no idea why you can’t purchase the option for it. It’s available on Riese and Muller bikes though.
I wish they would make bikes that were compact enough to store, hefty enough to carry an adult on the back, and mid-drive 500W... under $10k! Small two-person motorcycles are well-tread ground, but that suddenly isn't a thing with ebikes. I was excited for the HSD gen 2 when I heard that it would get a higher rear rack capacity, but it's still a "small adult" type capacity. I want to be able to give a friend a ride home or carry my partner on a ride with me... that kind of flexibility needs a 200+ lb rear capacity.
Hey! Do you know what Shimano hydro brake these HSDs have? Curious if it's 2 or 4 piston and the model, Thanks! love the video and really excited for this bike (in Canada we have to wait till late October sadly) it looks like a perfect upgrade from the Gen 1
Your reviews are so helpful and well done, thank you. Great interview with Doug Gordon of the War On Cars Pod, of which I am a dedicated foot soldier. As an actual veteran yourself, I so appreciate your dedication to making the world a better safer place through cycling. They are totally connected as you eloquently have described in past vids. Lol the MySpace ref too, humor is also appreciated. I am looking at getting a Vektron, do you have any idea if Tern will also be upgrading the e-control systems anytime soon? Its a +1 addition to our fleet of a dozen mostly non-ebikes & my beloved R&M Load because the latter is terrific but not always that practical if I don't need to haul much. Ty for any insight you might have as a dealer.
I live on the south coast of a England and I have a Gen 1 HSD and Gen 2 GSD. We use them as much as possible to transport us and our 3 kids in nice weather. It’s a shame the new Bosch batteries aren’t compatible with the old system even if the smart features weren’t enabled. I’ve also wondered why they don’t offer “re-gen” like electric cars. It feels like a waste of energy when rolling fast down a hill with the pedals stationary, this could be a quick win to use the motor like a dynamo to recharge the battery. Are there any companies experimenting with this type of technology on bikes?
The step-through is key for older riders. I wish it were lower for sure. Secondly, I wish you would mention the weight, I need to be able to lift it into the car, or onto a rack to transport it to the trails I like to ride.
Nice, compact, strong bike for the city! I’m always apprehensive about spending SO MUCH MONEY on something like this that WILL get stolen! I have a foldable Schwin with saddle bags and I use a bike trailer to transport stuff around Brooklyn. My bike, all accessories and trailer, cost me about $1000 and that is about my limit on cost of something that could disappear when left locked on the streets.
I don't have this bike but another long tail cargo bike One chain lock and two heavy u locks. And I have insurance. I made it a huge pain in the ass for both me but also the thief. Oh and you can insure these things. Bike parking improvements are so needed.
Look into the Hiplok D1000 and Litelok X3. They are very expensive but are legitimate game changers for preventing theft. Nearly the Same weight as a regular u lock but it literally destroys the discs on almost any kind of angle grinder.
I wonder what those are like to ride. I'm used to riding enduro mountain bikes, and these Terns have much smaller wheels and very steep head tube angles. My feeling would be that it's twitchy and wouldn't feel stable at speed, in comparison to what I'm used to. I presume they've designed it to not be like that, but I do think it would be a very interesting riding experience
I drive my GSD year round in Nordics. I've heard that HSD is a bit more nimble and feels more like normal bike. GSD is very stable at speed and only feels a little sketchy during winter when you hit those steep ice banks that form on the road. Although there is no bike that feels comfortable in that situation. Where it shines is hauling cargo as handling seems to only get better the more weight you put on it. First time I rode it I remember it feeling a little bit like a scooter. And I know where you are coming from as I had the same reservations. It only took short test drive to dismiss all of that.
e-bikes need to do more than store upright. They need to become rollable in upright collapsed position so that a person can walk into a store with them like a shopping cart and then back out with purchases like groceries. Essentially the bike needs to fold into a shopping cart. All the weight and time involved with securing a bike outside is a HUGE negative. Would you buy an e-bike that folded into an e-cart for shopping? 🛒 I would! I used Blender to create several solid designs and stress tested them. It's not hard. Obvious next step.
Performance Line motor is quiet, they need to improve the Speed motor. So loud! Specialized is able to make a 90nm motor that is quieter than any Bosch.
@@Propelbikes I’ve heard they’ve gotten better. Honestly though, I couldn’t deal with the volume/noise of the Speed and had to opt for a class 1 Bosch. Is the new Performance Line Sport as Quiet as the smart system Performance Line? 28 mph would be reason enough to upgrade.
Yea, I noticed my 2022 riese and muller multicharger's CX motor was much louder than the few other ebikes I've ridden. Compared to my girlfriend's older scott ebike with the performance line motor, her's is subtle and quiet and my cx motor is on the verge of being annoying for me. Makes turning off the motor that much more enjoyable when i do haha. All personal preference, but I think I'd be totally happy with a 65-75Nm quiet motor compared to a much louder 85Nm motor if that's what makes the difference. I rarely use the high power modes anyway. My bike is about 10 months old and 4000km, hopefully it does get quieter over time. I do love almost everything else about my multicharger.
@@Aku-mia In total agreement with this! I opted for 75 nm, class 1 Bosch because it was quiet. I do miss being able to go above 20 mph though... Enjoy your bike, those are so nice!
Looks like a real donkey of a bike. Curious, though, that for a bike built for masses they'd leave the seat tube angle so sharply off the vertical. The frame surrounding the mouth of the seat tube _is_ sturdily built, but they seem to have compromised that angle for battery placement. And, yes, I'm aware that the angle means that reach is accommodated for taller riders thereby, but... a taller rider means an extended seatpost, which means more strain on that mouth. And battery form factors -- given that they're composed of numerous cells e.g. 18650s -- are of arbitrary shape.
Angled seat tube is great for city riding. You can reach the ground without getting off the saddle. Dutch / granny bikes have that geometry and they are definitely build for masses.
Aha! Found it! This is the one for me. Every bike should be designed to sit on its butt, in my opinion. For those of us in 700sf, that is priceless. But, the real seller for me is that Bosch battery system - UL 2849, end to end. The last thing I want is to watch my condo go up in flames. Plus, thanks to cheap batteries all over the place, many apartment communities and HOA's/COA's are outright banning all ebikes from the properties. I smell a stink coming over that, somewhere, somehow. I would hate to see the industry die. Every ebike sold in the US should be held to the same standards that Tern has set for itself. Come to think of it, Tesla probably should be too.
It looks good, as it did before. But I feel like I’ve lost interest in fancy new bikes. I used to think that if E-bikes were obviously amazing, they would encourage more people to ride. And that is the case to a small extent. But it’s never going to make up for not getting rid of cars or providing secure parking infrastructure (I don’t support Dutch infrastructure because we don’t have time with the climate collapsing). The only thing that’s really made a difference in terms of cycling rates, at least where I live, was the original covid lockdowns. When there were no cars. These new bikes are nice, but it’s not really necessary, and honestly overkill for most people. Most people just need a 3 speed Dutch step-through bike. Unless they have far to go, heavy loads, and/or hills. It’s the cars that have entirely blocked significant progress.
@@tdgdbs1 I’m thinking about it in terms of where I live on the south coast of England. I don’t really have to go more than 3 miles to anywhere locally. So there’s not really any weather that would mean I needed my E-bike for that distance. Unless it was super windy in which case I wouldn’t ride at all. I can imagine even in Texas, people could ride a couple of miles casually in hot weather. But if it’s much more than that, I’d definitely use an E-bike as well. Distances there are much more likely to require motor assistance.
@@carterdeyoung1060 My point is that we have to ban private cars in urban areas and use the empty streets to ride. We don’t have time to build separated Dutch level bike lanes when the climate is rapidly breaking down. Probably in the next couple of years, the extreme weather will really go crazy compared to anything we’ve seen so far. And on top of that, in my country, the British government refuse to invest even in basics like healthcare, water infrastructure that doesn’t leak sewage into rivers, education or public transport. They’re even prioritising new oil and gas licenses over renewable energy which is insane at this point. Bike infrastructure isn’t going to be a priority until it’s way too late. I want to cycle now. So let’s get rid of the cars in urban areas, like during the original covid lockdowns, and get on with things rather than wasting endless time. And the Lamborghini comparison is totally not what I meant. Just that I thought better E-bikes would help drive ridership even without infrastructure progress. But it hasn’t really materialised as far as I can tell. Outside of cargo bikes, it’s not significant. And I’d also say that cargo bikes are not growing in use in countries like the UK anywhere near as quickly as they are in countries with decent infrastructure. I’m not saying e-bikes are luxury by the way. I’m very much of the opinion that E-bikes are affordable relative to cars and should replace cars. But most people will not buy bikes of any kind unless they feel safe. The cars have to go.
Yes, I agree. I’ve customized my ebike to perfection. Now to re-engineer the city to make it a safe pleasant place to ride. That’s not going to happen in my life time. So I’m looking for a ready-to-ride town. Not so easy given the family, economic and language constraints.
Looks good except i wish Bosch would have a drive motor that offers power for speeds up to at the very least 45mi/hr up to as much as 74mi/hr. That might mean 1500W to 2000W motor. I'd also like to see these bikes with larger 27.5" or 26" wheels. Plus a longer tail cargo area Lower bike tires usually mean shorter pedals and less comfort and power for messenger and deliver service Taller tires usually require higher center of gravity or saddlebags unless the rack is behind the rear tire or the frame is extended with more space between the riser and rear tire. Basically, need the space for a tandem bike but have the rear rider space convertible to cargo. Add more room for suspension and battery for a minimum range of 60 miles and a second battery option raising it to 100 or 120 miles High voltage, high current, fast charging
@@jonsconspiracy A motorcycle costs too much and weighs much more. It's meant to go longer at sustained high speed. I'm talking regular sustained speeds of 45 on the street. Preferably, traveling in dedicated e-bike lanes but until cities make that a priority, capable of riding in urban city traffic light to light without impeding autos and thus tempting rageful or distracted drivers to crowd then or crush them. 45mph is the bare minimum necessary for many of these streets with occasional higher speed bursts to avoid getting boxed in and crushed
Tern firmasının bu bisikletlerdeki lastik seçimini beğenmiyorum. zira bu bisikletlerde kullanılan shwalbe büyük elma( big apple) marka lastikler çok sık patlıyor, patlama dayanıklılığı çok düşük ve ayrıca bu lastiklerin kullanım ömrü de kısa. Yani biraz narin lastikler.. Üretiminde konfor ön planda tutulmuş ,dayanıklılık geri bırakılmış. Bununla birlikte gerçekten çok konforlu lastikler, zira sispansiyon özelliği var ancak shwalbe marathon gibi dayanıklı değil. Bu bisikletleri alacak olan kişilere tavsiyem patlak önleyici sıvı kullanmalarıdır. Bu konuda en iyi marka biraz pahalı olsa da shwalbenin ürünleridir. Ancak diğer ucuz ürünlerde işe yarar...
I encourage you to do research on UL and Bosch batteries. The combination makes them the safest on the market. It’s possible to make safe batteries, but many other companies lack the skill and care to do it correctly
I mean you have a cargo bike. Let’s let people know that cargo bikes can be used for work not only just to haul your kids around or grocery trips back-and-forth to the store. It can be used for work as well. You don’t talk anything about using a cargo bike for work you don’t even acknowledge that it is a possibility and a reality and many businesses are doing it globally as you know.
You could mow peoples lawns that really need it because you know they’re elderly or for whatever reason they might be crippled or whatever and they just can’t get out mow the lawn so you could probably do like a one minute video doing that but you’re recording the entire video Before you’re paid for subscribers, so whatever that’s called Patreon I guess you could have a Patreon account and you could make it happen there where people can pay for keeping it like a dollar so people like me that can afford to go and watch the rest of your project that you did you know there are people doing that There’s a SB lawn care or something like that on UA-cam he’s doing it and you know what’s happening with that is he’s getting a lot of money from people subscribing to see what the end project is all about watch what he does and then you can do that like you can do like one line each month but it is a cash cow because people love watching people do things for somebody else out of sheer generosity and that would be a cash card for you and you could take that money and you could hold classes and workshops to, educate people on how to maintain your e-books. You can do that online for free those classes and you can also do it in your store and have tools there for people to buy. It is a cash cow with a present possibility that people will benefit from it it’s not just about the point-of-sale thing. It’s about helping people so they’ll come to you and also like Utah trikes think about them all the videos they do people from all over the country by recumbent trikes off then because we know because they’re adding value to somebody’s life and I’m just giving you ideas hopefully you know you understand it as me giving you ideas
Wherever it is that you ride on the streets of New York you know like I saw those in the video you’re going for a ride there’s a lot of overgrowth in the greenery you know like weeds and stuff coming up you should get a group of people and together and some weed whackers that can be electric or gas Bobby electric would be better and go clean that up. Don’t tell anybody you’re doing it just recruit some of your customers to go with you and to do that and then talk about that on your UA-cam channel. Don’t need to talk about the city or nothing like that. Just talk about what you do on your UA-cam channel that would be great. Can you do one project each week or biweekly and you let us know but you’ve got to stay consistent because you’re not consistent with your videos like the Rowling interview that is popular man I don’t know why you don’t continue that well doing something like this will be nice to just make sure that you know when you’re doing it that you know there’s no Spikes of long grass coming up through you know take everything’s looks more manicured you don’t have to you don’t need to clean up your mess. You might wanna blow it into the street a little bit then that way when the street sweepers come by they’ll automatically just you know clean it up something to think about and a lot of people will talk about it and a lot of people across the country will also do it if they see you doing it
Unfortunately most (nearly all big brand) E bikes are massively overpriced by the time they reach customers, it's a huge shame because for many people they could offer a real alternative to combustion engined vehicles! Great channel though!
I would tend to agree that the bikes are overpriced although when compared to other lower priced bikes, the components offered are far superior in the Tern bikes. However, I would agree that the higher prices scares off a lot of potential buyers. Have in mind that the Bosch motors alone are $2500 and the batteries are $4-500 and those account for a heavy portion of the pricing. They ought to be clsoer to $3000 than $4000, though. Finally, a Tern will be functional long after the lower priced bikes have gone to e-bike heaven!
I disagree. As someone who makes some of my own clothing, the labor inputs alone are going to be huge. If that labor occurs in the Global North and is unionized (as it should be) that labor is going to be expensive. I'm not defending Bosch's supply chain (I have no idea how it manages compliance,) and I side eye its "charity" corporate profit structure. (I was deeply unimpressed with Patagonia getting laurels for creating a tax shelter.) However, fairly compensated labor is expensive, and US residents have become desensitized to the degree that our consumer habits are subsidize by exploitation.
On the other hand, many of the direct to consumer bikes offer great value up front but when you need to service the bike you're completely on your own. The direct consumer bike companies are very interested in moving product and not interested at all in supporting the product after the sale.
of course it's just an opinion that it isn't, but for me no large platform/box that isn't broken up into too many smaller bags/boxes makes it regular@@Propelbikes no way to carry anything large or long. impractical to carry a dog that you wouldn't want to pick up on the regular. i get that this is so much shorter than a long john cargo bike, but for the immense complexity this frame has, it achieves remarkably little! but that might be envy talking because it does look sweet as.
Long time GSD owner dropping in with some tips.
1. If you have hills and interact with traffic, get the IGH (internally geared hub.) An IGH lets you downshift while stopped. You're gonna have to slam on the breaks midway up a hill because some SUV driver wasn't watching where they were going. The IGH is the difference between being able to get started again and having to dismount.
2. If you have plans to transport a child, an pet, or anything heavy, get the double kickstand. It's the difference between success and disaster.
3. If you are carrying weight on the back, the difference between a middrive and an hub drive is huge. REI just released a store brand with a similar form factor to the HSD. I know from chatting with an owner if the REI bike that adding a kid seat to the rear rack means that it wants to tip backwards.
This is extremely helpful. I've been leaning towards the HSD vs GSD and with the updates I was like sweet I can finally carry my wife or really heavy cargo with ease. I'll definitely be getting the internal geared with the double kickstand!
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I don't really get why anyone would want a derailleur setup on a bike like this. The main advantages of derailleurs is cost, weight and efficiency (if well maintained). Cost doesn't matter because it's a tiny part of the overall bill of materials for a bike like this. Weight, well, same thing. Then lastly, efficiency doesn't matter because you have a motor helping out to more than make up the difference.
I saw Cannondale are getting into the electric cargo bike space, and noticed that both their models have derailleurs. Seems really bizarre to me. At least with Tern you have the choice.
@@liamnessfor me with the chain and derailleur it’s the peace of mind knowing that when something goes wrong, i can either fix it on the side of the road myself, or go to the nearest bike shop and find replacement parts very easily and cheaply. if something goes wrong with a belt drive gearbox, i’m stranded on the road, and/or likely waiting weeks for replacement parts + labour at the shop. i’d rather have a drivetrain that requires more frequent maintenance that i can do myself, than one that’s lower maintenance but too specialized and expensive for me to fix. i use my ebike for work so i depend on it being predictable and available
Hey
Following your channel from Paris France for something like 3 years maybe..
and you clearly played a big part in my decision to buy a Tern Bicycle, and even for the choice of my hsd version.
I wanted to have the “derailleur” version but after seeing this precise video I changed my mind and opted for the nexus one.
So finally I’ll have my hsd next Tuesday after years of indecision watching your channel and testing bikes in Paris shops…
Don’t want to be to long here it was just to say a big thanks to you Chris. Clearly you participate to put a lot of hsd in the world. So you can tell yourself that somebody is riding an hsd next week in Paris streets thanks to you.
Merci !
Super cool!!! Thanks so much for sharing this! I hope you report back on how your journey goes.
Maybe we even meet on a path one day. Paris is on my bucket list to visit. I just need to coordinate with my family
That standing up thing should be on every commuter bikes, electric or not. How clever.
Great upgrade to the HSDs! Now, if Tern would just make a belt-drive Vektron with an IGH, I'd be at the front entrance of your Brooklyn Navy Yard location first thing in the morning.
Oh I know and have seen your comments as well as others on this topic. I make sure to let them know whenever possible
Love the work of this channel, it's important to keep promoting bikes as the best transport option for the vast majority of people. Of course there are barriers, cost being the primary one and bike infrastructure another, but we have to start somewhere. A cargo bike is a great option, I end up with the benno boost which I love, it's become my daily commute even in the wet, and we get a lot of that in the UK.
Thank you for this review. I am really considering this bike! I currently have a full cargo bike. I enjoy if a great deal but it is a little cumbersome and I live in a small place.
As a pro-tip, I needed a way to get my bike up and down the stairs more easily as I am out a few times a day and it weighs 80 pounds. I bought a single truck loading ramp and use it to bypass the six stairs at my front door - second best buy ever (after my cargo bike)
Cargo bike, two batteries, and a big ass lock
That's genius. How do you keep the loading ramp in place? Does it have non skid stuff on the bottom?
@@HarryLovesRuth It has tabs that are about 5 centimetres long at the top and flat "feet" on the botttom. I have had it in place for about 18 months and it has never moved, even in the winter
I tested a Gen 1 HSD and it was wobbly and twitchy plus the active line was really underpowered. I can see those concerns have been addressed, I can't wait to test ride the new gen and see how it goes (I have ordered one, with the promise of if I don't like i don't need to buy) I have been riding a riese and muller tinker for the last year and the ride quality is quite superior, not sure what to expect from the nexus inter-5e coming from Enviolo. Thanks for all your vídeos they are great!
Hi how did you compare the Tinker vario to your new HSD nexus in terms of the Gearing and ride quality. I would love to know ?
I tested the new HSD p5i; the ride quality definitely improved. However, I missed the Enviolo, the Enviolo + smart system that I tested in the Tinker 2 is amazing! So I ended up ordering the HSD S00, but my bike shop told me I need to wait until July. I was told the models have been sent to Europe and the US mainly, so there are no S00 models here in Australia.
@showboat4869 I suppose if you're not planning to put kids on the bike, there's no reason not to choose the Tinker, since it has a bit of cargo capacity. I've ridden my Tinker for 8,000 kilometers and it still rides like new. However, if you're bringing kids, the HSD rear rack is the better choice.
@@aerz290482 oh thanks for the feedback and your thoughts. Great to know from someone who has ridden both. Hope you have lots of fun on the HSD when it gets to Australia. I’m jealous haha
They just keep getting BETTER AND BETTER!!!! 🤩🔌⚡️
They do!
As an HSD owner I really feel they need to include the double kickstand. The little dangling kickstand they include is an insult. Everything on the bike is specially engineered for cargo except the one piece that is necessary to safely load that cargo.
Great review, thanks so much. I have one on order with my LBS. On small note: you say the S00 is available in Black. When I ordered it, the form said Dark Blue. The video here looks dark blue, and Arleigh and Sean from Tern confirmed with me that it is dark blue. Which I love!!! I can't wait to get it in my hands.
This model is really nice. You got me thinking that the time for me to buy an e-bike is approaching. Not sure when yet.
Definitely a sweet ride!
I really wish they made a belt drive model that goes 28mph. I have a quick haul p9 that I absolutely love, but I do sometimes wish I had more capacity. That few extra mph makes a huge difference where I ride and is a deal breaker for me
In theory, we could swap the drivetrain on a S11
@@Propelbikeswouldn’t swapping a drivetrain void the warranty?
@@mishak3470yeah, but who cares about warranty?
Just get insurance instead.
Quick Haul P9 is an excellent bike.
Having gone from a Quick Haul to an HSD, the geometry is relaxed that I don't like it. I can't replicate the QH's fit on here cuz of how slack the seat tube is.
Question for Chris: Do you think the HSD S00 with the Enviolo hub is suitable for touring that would include some hilly terrain, on roads? I like the belt drive for low maintenance. I would not have too much cargo for touring...maybe 50 lbs. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
I am surprised that you didn't discuss the lack of automatic shifting in the Gen 2 models at all. As a happy owner of the Gen 1 S+, I am disappointed that Tern has removed the automatic shifting option from Gen 2. Do you have any insight into the reason? FWIW, our automatic shifting system has been working very well since Day 1.
Bosch will have e-Shift available next year with the smart system. Maybe Tern will bring it back when it’s available. It might be possible to upgrade the manual one as well, but that will require Tern’s approval if we do an integrated version.
@@Propelbikes Thank you for the quick reply. It's good to know that Bosch will introduce its own automatic shifting next year. I guess the speculation is that Tern may add a model with the Bosch e-Shift system to the Gen 2 line next year?
Totally agree. We too have the S+ Gen 1 HSD (from Propel!) and love it for deep inner city riding. You want to focus on the traffic, not 'What gear am I in?' In other words it's *safer*!! I'm disappointed Tern have removed this option, at least for 2023. Keen to upgrade, but will likely hold off till then.
I just startend riding a HSD. It is the winner over all else. I do 30km a day on roads for a commute, and then it is ace for the school pickup run and groceries with my Ortlieb panniers on the back... I too would like a belt drive that goes up to 28 mph... but will try to import the new S00 to Australia (as it give me the US 20 mph/32kmph)... instead of just 25km which is our limit and pretty slow in reality.
I'd like the battery capacity to comfortably cover 55 miles a day and the flexibility to keep up with traffic with at least 45mi/hr or even on occasion bursts of 70mi/hr
I'll need the power to climb some steeper inclines too.
I really like the cargo load in the front on my cargo bike. I’ve had both front and rear loading bikes and prefer the ability to keep an eye on what I’m hauling. If I were to haul kids, I’d 1000% want them in the front - but my dog also needs to be watched. I am not sure why NYC prevents the Bullitt from being sold, but it has been the best, most useful bike I’ve ever had. I put an outdoor sofa on it and hauled it home the other day. That sofa would not fit in my car. It is my “Denmark” army knife 😂.
I recently discovered your channel. I am a part time delivery rider with my mode of transport being an ebike. It's interesting to see such reviews even though they won't be approved by my country.
Why won’t they be approved in your country? Where are you located?
I just got one, the p10 orange. I love it. And hey hey, I don't know if that is the case for all p10's but I can remove the key from the lock even with the lock open.
I am considering an HSD, but not sure which model would suit me best. I am in my seventies, have arthritic knees and live in a hilly area. I have an old rear hub drive electric bike that I rarely ride because it is so big, heavy & cumbersome. I just don’t like it & have to walk it up a lot of hills. I also have a non-electric Brompton which I love and ride a lot but would like to increase my range. I added a second chainring, so now have twelve gears and know a bit about both internal hubs and derailleurs but nothing about belt drives except their users seem to love them. Storage is also an issue, as I don’t have a garage or accessible shed. Speed is a non issue for me. I live in the UK where we are limited to 15mph. I like the idea of maximum torque but not shorter range. 5 gears seem a bit limited for rural areas like mine, too. What are the gear inches on these different models? I am also considering a Vektron but like the idea of more comfort and cargo capability of the HSD. Smallish dogpacking is calling me. I would occasionally want to put the bike in my car, but never for public transport (that is why I have a Brompton). I think the older model with Active Line plus motor, more range and gears might suit me better. Any advice or observations would be appreciated.
Hey Chris! Still love my GSD, its Bosch motor, and the accessories that Tern sells. (Bought the bike locally and all my accessories through Propel.) 11/10 Great Experience all around.
And now for the crap in the crap sandwich: There's been momentum to exempt ebikes from right to repair, and I want to flag up some issues that might not be at the forefront of bike shop thinking.
1. The batteries are only one component of the ebike system. I agree that people shouldn't be home tinkering with lithium ion cells unless they really know what they are doing.
However, locking down the rest of the drivetrain is really unfortunate. I bought my GSD from a big chain with a local outfit instead of from Propel because I knew that I would need the dealer services for the Bosch system. If I hadn't had a local dealer, I wouldn't have fell safe making the investment.
2. Ebikes are going to have a long life past their original owners, and as they make their way though that chain, they need to be repairable by shade tree mechanics.
I recently finished the book Wasteland, and it contains an interview with a Ghanan computer dealer. He can keep a Dell laptop running for 15 years because he can work on it and get parts. An non working ipad goes directly to the dump. Our first gen ebikes are going to make their way to places where the difference between trash and treasure is going to be repairability.
Crap filling complete.
I really admire all the work you have done to make ebikes viable transportation options in NYC, NYS, and other locations. If you disagree with me on right to repair, that doesn't mean that I think you are a bad person. But I hope you'll consider the points I've made and pass them along to others in the industry.
I actually very much support this outside of the battery. I think many people “think” they are capable of repairing a battery and getting it to work is very different from keeping it safe.
I very much support and encourage repair over replacing and hope we see more of this on products like the Bosch system. This is already happening in Europe and we hope to be part of an effort to encourage this in the US. The new smart system oddly depends less on the dealer with over the air updates and the ability to communicate diagnostic information wirelessly. I think we are moving in the right direction that way, but still a lot more progress to make
This was super in depth and extremely helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Is this a good bike for easy but long tours? I live in a big city, where the utility factor of this bike is great, but i also live on the edge of the city with beautiful nature all around. So i need something to cover both.
How easy is it to maintain? Sounds like a lot of proprietary or rare and expensive parts. Is Tern good about supplying your shop with replacements?
Thank you for this update on the Tern. I am happy enough with my Tinker Vario, it meeting my criteria of being idiot proof, low maintenance, easy to store and transport in the back of my car, having good brakes for the downhill and good torque for uphill (I live on a pretty big hill) , but I have my eye on a belt drive Tern for its superior cargo capacity and better step through design and appearance overall. Eventually it would be great to upgrade to a Tern.
Hi have you changed over to the Tern from a Tinker yet. If so I would love to know how you found it compared to the Tinker vario ?
Fantastic e-bike for all situations!!! A lot of acessories!
It’s pretty awesome!!
Great video! I have a 1st gen HSD, S11, and love it. I do wish I had gotten a model with the belt drive tho, seems so much easier to maintain!
My BBS02 on my Zascar GT begin to be Old Fashion now. This bike is my Work Horse, and in use every day. 😎
It’s not broke don’t fix it. Sounds like a solid setup
Great looking bike and great review
@Propelbikes is it possible to "jailbreak" the HSD or QuickHaul to go faster than 20mph?
I'm a gen 1 owner (and love it!), but the smart system is enough to make me consider upgrading. Wishing there was another IGH option as the P5i just isn't enough range for the hills here and I'm not a fan of Enviolo CVT - this was also an issue with Gen 1 of course. Seems silly to say, but I'm not loving the new colors. I'm curious if you noticed a different feel to the geometry of the bike? I saw that with Gen 2 the saddle is a couple of inches further from the handle bars vs. Gen 1, which is also a bit disappointing. Unfortunately the increase in weight also just puts it over the limit for bus bike racks here. So a few tradeoffs to consider.
Thanks, this was an excellent video. Very impressed, about to take the plunge, my first ebike.
Wow, this is on my Bucket list !👍👍👍
Great review. We love our GSD s00 LX (from Propel LB) and looking to get a second Tern for my spouse to ride along. Still debating between a Quick Haul D8 vs HSD...and if the $1,300 upgrade is worth it when you already have the GSD.
Definitely in the running before I get older.
What a nice bike. What's the battery range like? I have a 44 km round trip commute to work every day. I have to charge my current bike's Shimano battery after each leg of the ride. Not impressed with the performance. I think it might be time for an upgrade.
Depends on how many hills you have, how much assist you use, and to some degree the weight of the rider and cargo.
I have a similar commute. Bosch has a 725 WH battery that can and should work for this tern hsd port. I have no idea why you can’t purchase the option for it. It’s available on Riese and Muller bikes though.
I think the suggestion of upgrading to a 725 W our battery makes a lot of sense. That’s what I would likely do if I was in your position.
You could also add the Bosch power more system, which adds 251 hours
Any guesses on when the next gen GSD is coming?
Chris whatever happen to the Nyon display. Was it discontinued or is there an upgraded version coming out or out now.
15:39 I looked up some of the history. Especially between 1933 and 1945.
Very interesting indeed.
the hitch for towing another bike via quick release, is only available on the GSD?
Currently GSD specific, but I will inquire about plans for an option to work with the HSD
I wish they would make bikes that were compact enough to store, hefty enough to carry an adult on the back, and mid-drive 500W... under $10k! Small two-person motorcycles are well-tread ground, but that suddenly isn't a thing with ebikes. I was excited for the HSD gen 2 when I heard that it would get a higher rear rack capacity, but it's still a "small adult" type capacity. I want to be able to give a friend a ride home or carry my partner on a ride with me... that kind of flexibility needs a 200+ lb rear capacity.
Hey! Do you know what Shimano hydro brake these HSDs have? Curious if it's 2 or 4 piston and the model, Thanks! love the video and really excited for this bike (in Canada we have to wait till late October sadly) it looks like a perfect upgrade from the Gen 1
what bike rack could this go on? and do you have an insurance rec??
How much for each model please?
Your reviews are so helpful and well done, thank you. Great interview with Doug Gordon of the War On Cars Pod, of which I am a dedicated foot soldier. As an actual veteran yourself, I so appreciate your dedication to making the world a better safer place through cycling. They are totally connected as you eloquently have described in past vids. Lol the MySpace ref too, humor is also appreciated.
I am looking at getting a Vektron, do you have any idea if Tern will also be upgrading the e-control systems anytime soon? Its a +1 addition to our fleet of a dozen mostly non-ebikes & my beloved R&M Load because the latter is terrific but not always that practical if I don't need to haul much. Ty for any insight you might have as a dealer.
I live on the south coast of a England and I have a Gen 1 HSD and Gen 2 GSD. We use them as much as possible to transport us and our 3 kids in nice weather. It’s a shame the new Bosch batteries aren’t compatible with the old system even if the smart features weren’t enabled. I’ve also wondered why they don’t offer “re-gen” like electric cars. It feels like a waste of energy when rolling fast down a hill with the pedals stationary, this could be a quick win to use the motor like a dynamo to recharge the battery. Are there any companies experimenting with this type of technology on bikes?
I think the issue with regen on bikes is that they're too light to make it worth adding the complexity and cost of it.
The step-through is key for older riders. I wish it were lower for sure. Secondly, I wish you would mention the weight, I need to be able to lift it into the car, or onto a rack to transport it to the trails I like to ride.
Could I swap an HSD S11 to a Rohloff with a belt drive?
In theory yes. If you’re local to one of our shops and really interested reach out and we’ll try to sort it out.
Rohloff hub is the most important item on any bike/trike! Own 2 of them.
Will NEVER own a cassette again!!! NEVER!!!
I'd love to see these bad bois in PH, but we're stuck with Short Haul D8. What a bummer.
Nice, compact, strong bike for the city! I’m always apprehensive about spending SO MUCH MONEY on something like this that WILL get stolen! I have a foldable Schwin with saddle bags and I use a bike trailer to transport stuff around Brooklyn. My bike, all accessories and trailer, cost me about $1000 and that is about my limit on cost of something that could disappear when left locked on the streets.
I don't have this bike but another long tail cargo bike
One chain lock and two heavy u locks. And I have insurance.
I made it a huge pain in the ass for both me but also the thief.
Oh and you can insure these things.
Bike parking improvements are so needed.
Look into the Hiplok D1000 and Litelok X3. They are very expensive but are legitimate game changers for preventing theft. Nearly the Same weight as a regular u lock but it literally destroys the discs on almost any kind of angle grinder.
can't wait for the next gen GSD with the smart system might have to bite the bullet on that one
That will be nice for sure!
Direction we will be going in the future. Thanks
Seat angle looks interesting.
Seems impossible to find in USA outside of east coast.
I wonder what those are like to ride. I'm used to riding enduro mountain bikes, and these Terns have much smaller wheels and very steep head tube angles. My feeling would be that it's twitchy and wouldn't feel stable at speed, in comparison to what I'm used to. I presume they've designed it to not be like that, but I do think it would be a very interesting riding experience
I have non e-turn is twitchy as hell, easy to ride but sometimes it’s liable to crash where it shouldn’t it has got thin road tyres.
I drive my GSD year round in Nordics. I've heard that HSD is a bit more nimble and feels more like normal bike. GSD is very stable at speed and only feels a little sketchy during winter when you hit those steep ice banks that form on the road. Although there is no bike that feels comfortable in that situation. Where it shines is hauling cargo as handling seems to only get better the more weight you put on it. First time I rode it I remember it feeling a little bit like a scooter. And I know where you are coming from as I had the same reservations. It only took short test drive to dismiss all of that.
What about the s7i?
Thanks,excellent show
e-bikes need to do more than store upright. They need to become rollable in upright collapsed position so that a person can walk into a store with them like a shopping cart and then back out with purchases like groceries. Essentially the bike needs to fold into a shopping cart. All the weight and time involved with securing a bike outside is a HUGE negative. Would you buy an e-bike that folded into an e-cart for shopping? 🛒 I would!
I used Blender to create several solid designs and stress tested them. It's not hard.
Obvious next step.
nice thanks much nice job
Thank you!
If this bike can go at 160km@25kph range wise in one charge......
Mini pickup truck for suburban areas!
Performance Line motor is quiet, they need to improve the Speed motor. So loud! Specialized is able to make a 90nm motor that is quieter than any Bosch.
It does generally get quieter over time. The Brose motor is nice, but not that reliable and the support isn’t great
@@Propelbikes I’ve heard they’ve gotten better. Honestly though, I couldn’t deal with the volume/noise of the Speed and had to opt for a class 1 Bosch. Is the new Performance Line Sport as Quiet as the smart system Performance Line? 28 mph would be reason enough to upgrade.
Yea, I noticed my 2022 riese and muller multicharger's CX motor was much louder than the few other ebikes I've ridden. Compared to my girlfriend's older scott ebike with the performance line motor, her's is subtle and quiet and my cx motor is on the verge of being annoying for me. Makes turning off the motor that much more enjoyable when i do haha. All personal preference, but I think I'd be totally happy with a 65-75Nm quiet motor compared to a much louder 85Nm motor if that's what makes the difference. I rarely use the high power modes anyway. My bike is about 10 months old and 4000km, hopefully it does get quieter over time. I do love almost everything else about my multicharger.
@@Aku-mia In total agreement with this! I opted for 75 nm, class 1 Bosch because it was quiet. I do miss being able to go above 20 mph though... Enjoy your bike, those are so nice!
@@cadriver2570 Thanks, I will. Good riding to you
Thanks for using our footages
Looks like a real donkey of a bike. Curious, though, that for a bike built for masses they'd leave the seat tube angle so sharply off the vertical. The frame surrounding the mouth of the seat tube _is_ sturdily built, but they seem to have compromised that angle for battery placement. And, yes, I'm aware that the angle means that reach is accommodated for taller riders thereby, but... a taller rider means an extended seatpost, which means more strain on that mouth. And battery form factors -- given that they're composed of numerous cells e.g. 18650s -- are of arbitrary shape.
Angled seat tube is great for city riding. You can reach the ground without getting off the saddle. Dutch / granny bikes have that geometry and they are definitely build for masses.
Aha! Found it! This is the one for me. Every bike should be designed to sit on its butt, in my opinion. For those of us in 700sf, that is priceless. But, the real seller for me is that Bosch battery system - UL 2849, end to end. The last thing I want is to watch my condo go up in flames. Plus, thanks to cheap batteries all over the place, many apartment communities and HOA's/COA's are outright banning all ebikes from the properties. I smell a stink coming over that, somewhere, somehow. I would hate to see the industry die. Every ebike sold in the US should be held to the same standards that Tern has set for itself. Come to think of it, Tesla probably should be too.
Looks great, but the cost is the same as used Prius. A bit off putting.
It looks good, as it did before. But I feel like I’ve lost interest in fancy new bikes. I used to think that if E-bikes were obviously amazing, they would encourage more people to ride. And that is the case to a small extent. But it’s never going to make up for not getting rid of cars or providing secure parking infrastructure (I don’t support Dutch infrastructure because we don’t have time with the climate collapsing). The only thing that’s really made a difference in terms of cycling rates, at least where I live, was the original covid lockdowns. When there were no cars. These new bikes are nice, but it’s not really necessary, and honestly overkill for most people. Most people just need a 3 speed Dutch step-through bike. Unless they have far to go, heavy loads, and/or hills. It’s the cars that have entirely blocked significant progress.
Weather is another factor too; I'm in Texas and it's currently 105F, has been for the last 3 weeks.
Thank you for pointing out that a major part of the problem Electric bikes face is the car
@@tdgdbs1 I’m thinking about it in terms of where I live on the south coast of England. I don’t really have to go more than 3 miles to anywhere locally. So there’s not really any weather that would mean I needed my E-bike for that distance. Unless it was super windy in which case I wouldn’t ride at all.
I can imagine even in Texas, people could ride a couple of miles casually in hot weather. But if it’s much more than that, I’d definitely use an E-bike as well. Distances there are much more likely to require motor assistance.
@@carterdeyoung1060 My point is that we have to ban private cars in urban areas and use the empty streets to ride. We don’t have time to build separated Dutch level bike lanes when the climate is rapidly breaking down. Probably in the next couple of years, the extreme weather will really go crazy compared to anything we’ve seen so far. And on top of that, in my country, the British government refuse to invest even in basics like healthcare, water infrastructure that doesn’t leak sewage into rivers, education or public transport. They’re even prioritising new oil and gas licenses over renewable energy which is insane at this point. Bike infrastructure isn’t going to be a priority until it’s way too late.
I want to cycle now. So let’s get rid of the cars in urban areas, like during the original covid lockdowns, and get on with things rather than wasting endless time. And the Lamborghini comparison is totally not what I meant. Just that I thought better E-bikes would help drive ridership even without infrastructure progress. But it hasn’t really materialised as far as I can tell. Outside of cargo bikes, it’s not significant. And I’d also say that cargo bikes are not growing in use in countries like the UK anywhere near as quickly as they are in countries with decent infrastructure.
I’m not saying e-bikes are luxury by the way. I’m very much of the opinion that E-bikes are affordable relative to cars and should replace cars. But most people will not buy bikes of any kind unless they feel safe. The cars have to go.
Yes, I agree. I’ve customized my ebike to perfection. Now to re-engineer the city to make it a safe pleasant place to ride. That’s not going to happen in my life time. So I’m looking for a ready-to-ride town. Not so easy given the family, economic and language constraints.
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Looks good except i wish Bosch would have a drive motor that offers power for speeds up to at the very least 45mi/hr up to as much as 74mi/hr. That might mean 1500W to 2000W motor. I'd also like to see these bikes with larger 27.5" or 26" wheels.
Plus a longer tail cargo area
Lower bike tires usually mean shorter pedals and less comfort and power for messenger and deliver service
Taller tires usually require higher center of gravity or saddlebags unless the rack is behind the rear tire or the frame is extended with more space between the riser and rear tire.
Basically, need the space for a tandem bike but have the rear rider space convertible to cargo.
Add more room for suspension and battery for a minimum range of 60 miles and a second battery option raising it to 100 or 120 miles
High voltage, high current, fast charging
What on earth do you plan to do with an e-bike that goes 74mph?! Are you going to take it out on I-95? I think you're talking about a motorcycle.
@@jonsconspiracy
A motorcycle costs too much and weighs much more. It's meant to go longer at sustained high speed.
I'm talking regular sustained speeds of 45 on the street. Preferably, traveling in dedicated e-bike lanes but until cities make that a priority, capable of riding in urban city traffic light to light without impeding autos and thus tempting rageful or distracted drivers to crowd then or crush them. 45mph is the bare minimum necessary for many of these streets with occasional higher speed bursts to avoid getting boxed in and crushed
Tern firmasının bu bisikletlerdeki lastik seçimini beğenmiyorum. zira bu bisikletlerde kullanılan shwalbe büyük elma( big apple) marka lastikler çok sık patlıyor, patlama dayanıklılığı çok düşük ve ayrıca bu lastiklerin kullanım ömrü de kısa. Yani biraz narin lastikler.. Üretiminde konfor ön planda tutulmuş ,dayanıklılık geri bırakılmış. Bununla birlikte gerçekten çok konforlu lastikler, zira sispansiyon özelliği var ancak shwalbe marathon gibi dayanıklı değil. Bu bisikletleri alacak olan kişilere tavsiyem patlak önleyici sıvı kullanmalarıdır. Bu konuda en iyi marka biraz pahalı olsa da shwalbenin ürünleridir. Ancak diğer ucuz ürünlerde işe yarar...
Madeline Squares
E-bike batteries scare me tho. Seems too much of a risk storing this in my apartment.
I encourage you to do research on UL and Bosch batteries. The combination makes them the safest on the market. It’s possible to make safe batteries, but many other companies lack the skill and care to do it correctly
I mean you have a cargo bike. Let’s let people know that cargo bikes can be used for work not only just to haul your kids around or grocery trips back-and-forth to the store. It can be used for work as well. You don’t talk anything about using a cargo bike for work you don’t even acknowledge that it is a possibility and a reality and many businesses are doing it globally as you know.
You could mow peoples lawns that really need it because you know they’re elderly or for whatever reason they might be crippled or whatever and they just can’t get out mow the lawn so you could probably do like a one minute video doing that but you’re recording the entire video Before you’re paid for subscribers, so whatever that’s called Patreon I guess you could have a Patreon account and you could make it happen there where people can pay for keeping it like a dollar so people like me that can afford to go and watch the rest of your project that you did you know there are people doing that There’s a SB lawn care or something like that on UA-cam he’s doing it and you know what’s happening with that is he’s getting a lot of money from people subscribing to see what the end project is all about watch what he does and then you can do that like you can do like one line each month but it is a cash cow because people love watching people do things for somebody else out of sheer generosity and that would be a cash card for you and you could take that money and you could hold classes and workshops to, educate people on how to maintain your e-books. You can do that online for free those classes and you can also do it in your store and have tools there for people to buy. It is a cash cow with a present possibility that people will benefit from it it’s not just about the point-of-sale thing. It’s about helping people so they’ll come to you and also like Utah trikes think about them all the videos they do people from all over the country by recumbent trikes off then because we know because they’re adding value to somebody’s life and I’m just giving you ideas hopefully you know you understand it as me giving you ideas
your seat is way to high
Wherever it is that you ride on the streets of New York you know like I saw those in the video you’re going for a ride there’s a lot of overgrowth in the greenery you know like weeds and stuff coming up you should get a group of people and together and some weed whackers that can be electric or gas Bobby electric would be better and go clean that up. Don’t tell anybody you’re doing it just recruit some of your customers to go with you and to do that and then talk about that on your UA-cam channel. Don’t need to talk about the city or nothing like that. Just talk about what you do on your UA-cam channel that would be great. Can you do one project each week or biweekly and you let us know but you’ve got to stay consistent because you’re not consistent with your videos like the Rowling interview that is popular man I don’t know why you don’t continue that well doing something like this will be nice to just make sure that you know when you’re doing it that you know there’s no Spikes of long grass coming up through you know take everything’s looks more manicured you don’t have to you don’t need to clean up your mess. You might wanna blow it into the street a little bit then that way when the street sweepers come by they’ll automatically just you know clean it up something to think about and a lot of people will talk about it and a lot of people across the country will also do it if they see you doing it
Unfortunately most (nearly all big brand) E bikes are massively overpriced by the time they reach customers, it's a huge shame because for many people they could offer a real alternative to combustion engined vehicles! Great channel though!
I would tend to agree that the bikes are overpriced although when compared to other lower priced bikes, the components offered are far superior in the Tern bikes. However, I would agree that the higher prices scares off a lot of potential buyers. Have in mind that the Bosch motors alone are $2500 and the batteries are $4-500 and those account for a heavy portion of the pricing. They ought to be clsoer to $3000 than $4000, though. Finally, a Tern will be functional long after the lower priced bikes have gone to e-bike heaven!
I disagree. As someone who makes some of my own clothing, the labor inputs alone are going to be huge. If that labor occurs in the Global North and is unionized (as it should be) that labor is going to be expensive.
I'm not defending Bosch's supply chain (I have no idea how it manages compliance,) and I side eye its "charity" corporate profit structure. (I was deeply unimpressed with Patagonia getting laurels for creating a tax shelter.) However, fairly compensated labor is expensive, and US residents have become desensitized to the degree that our consumer habits are subsidize by exploitation.
On the other hand, many of the direct to consumer bikes offer great value up front but when you need to service the bike you're completely on your own. The direct consumer bike companies are very interested in moving product and not interested at all in supporting the product after the sale.
These are expensive, but it's worth it. DTC is a headache.
I wish they had a throttle.
no no no, sorry I'll stop watch now.
I can't even afford to even watch this free video
What does this mean?
it's not a cargo bike
Why?
of course it's just an opinion that it isn't, but for me no large platform/box that isn't broken up into too many smaller bags/boxes makes it regular@@Propelbikes no way to carry anything large or long. impractical to carry a dog that you wouldn't want to pick up on the regular. i get that this is so much shorter than a long john cargo bike, but for the immense complexity this frame has, it achieves remarkably little! but that might be envy talking because it does look sweet as.
Tiny frame with a very large seatpost to me is circus looking
function over beauty