Looks like an amazing bike! I'm still rocking and rolling on my 1st gen GSD s10. I love (almost) everything about this bike. (A lot of the things I don't like about it have been fixed in the newer models, but we can't justify upgrading.) We moved from California to England last summer. We didn't move our car, but we did move the GSD, and I'm SO glad we did. It turned what would be a hour plus bus commute with a mile walk each way, to a mostly pleasant 15-20 minute cycle trip. All we needed to be able to use the GSD here was the bit of the power cord that went from the wall into the brick part of the charger, and that relatively easy to find online. We also ended up getting the Captains Chair and the Sidekick Joyride bars. Happy kid, happy momma. I still can't justify a new expensive bike, but I do really like that they (finally) got smart about the placement of the charging port. That would make things SO much easier!
So much desirable goodness. Just watching your intro reminded me about a tip on standing the bike up by holding the rear brake from the front and walking it backwards. Notable for me with a wonky back.
I love that charging port. Like many people who use e-bikes, I can't move around so easy so having that plug where it would be easy to get at is great. At the same time, I wince when I look at the face the sky placement. I really wish that could have been faced down.
Even just on the side near the top probably would've been good. As long as it was somewhere near the top where it was easier to reach and to see what you're doing.
Great video, thanks so much! As you know I am eagerly awaiting my HSD S00. My order form says "duostand gen2 - may require fit kit". You mention that the original duostand doesn't work with this bike? But the newer one does? Can you clarify?
Looks sweet. Such a pity they don't have a class 3 with the IGH, though. :/ I have an unlocked Evelo I use as a Class 3 with the IGH Eviolo hub and a Dapu mid and it's so nice to not have to lube the chain ever that I don't think I could go back. At the same time, there are still enough parts of Seattle that kick you on to 25 mph streets randomly that idk if I could go back to a Class 2 for my only bike. Any word on the Vektron and whether we might get an IGH version? I could be convinced to go class 2 if it were folding...
Do you know where I could find or could you tell me how many teeth the p5i variant has on its belt? I wanted to make sure to get a replacement early (i.e. before I need it). Thanks.
Does the PP 725 fit? I understand it should, but would love to know. The only class 3 IGH I know of is R&M and I'm guessing it's because of the suspension and pulley system they use to modulate the load in the belt... but I don't really know. I now have a Load4 75 (UA was stolen 😢) but didn't get the class 3 model
@@BikeShopGirl Good points. But they can use throttles. I was able to insure my bafang bike through our homeowner's insurance. I have two very good local shops that have worked on my bike so I guess I'm lucky. Thanks for the warning though. I do know to be extra careful charging. So far so good. She's about 2 years old.
@@BikeShopGirl Bafang pretty much has Bosch beat on every metric. Plus, it helps that parts are easily available and it’s a system that does not lock you in. As for insurance, I get the feeling that this might be region specific because where I am, Bafang seems to be offered in almost every shop.
Thanks for these amazing videos, BSG! Would love to know what permanent/semi perm pannier you would recommend for my new Tern HSD P10? I love your recommendation to get the biggest bag out there and then put my other bags into it (Love those IKEA blue bags!). I was thinking one pannier could be left on the bike, and then the other side could have an ORTLIEB VARIO or similar backpack/pannier type of bag for my computer, equipment, that I would take with me... Any favorites? To complicate things, ideally my friend could sit on the back with the sidekick pad and handlebars...and therefore which foot pegs would you recommend that wouldn't affect the panniers? In addition, I was really hoping for an option where my 11 pound dog could occasionally fit in a front system: bag, basket, crate? I was thinking a removable front system, so that it's still easy to load the bike into a car without a huge front rack in the way. Absolutely love your reviews and videos and watch them over and over 🙂 Thank you and keep 'em coming!
Congratulations on the new bike! Which color did you get?! The HSD footrest are accessible if you have the cargo hold 37 or 28 panniers folded up. I’m not sure if you can reach them with ortlieb style. As for panniers… cargo hold 37 were designed for the bike, the catch is that they come in pairs which may not be ideal for you. Cargo Hold 28 are sold individually which may benefit you, though they are a bit smaller! In general, I’m still a big fan of using my normal bag and putting into more permanent/sturdy fit panniers but Ortlieb make amazing bags. I’ve also been looking at two wheel gear but haven’t seen any in person.
@@BikeShopGirl Thanks for your comments! I got the orange one, OF COURSE! For some reason with the 37s attached in the store, it seemed to cover up the mounts for the footrests, but maybe we just need to readjust the 37s back more. TwoWheelGear looks amazing too! I just got a beautiful regular backpack from PeakDesign which I could throw inside the 37s...my concern about the semi permanents is leaving stuff (not super valuable) inside them while the bike is unattended. Do you think the new alarm system on the Smart System is enough of a deterrent if someone tries to mess with the pannier? I'm also opting for the transporteur rack with a quick release so that I can take the dog in a crate on occasion. Going through your videos one by one...
I notice the bike has two pipes between motor and handlebars. That would be a great place to have a second battery mount point. I would like my bike to have two big batteries so I could have more range. I currently have about 30 miles of range. If that could go up to 50 or 100, that would be marvelous. Just a suggestion, perhaps for the gen 3?
That was very interesting thank you. I am in Europe and something I'd love to see is weights given in kilograms as well as pounds. You could include this as a graphic on screen perhaps. I know that you had a table with kgs as well as lbs but earlier when you were talking it was just lbs. I suspect a lot of your viewers are using kgs, but I don't know this of course.
Wonderful review! I will say it would be great if Bosch miraculously (/s) allows multiple bikes to sync to the Flow App. It's pretty ridiculous that the Flow App + phone can only pair on 1 bike. Horrible for bike sharing and for users with multiple Smart System bikes.
Very slick connecting to the phone. Still, I would prefer a separate big screen so I can keep my phone for tunes, phone calls and navigating. That's just my personal preference though. What do I know? I still want my phone to have a slide out keyboard. Sigh.
nice bike nevertheless our bicycle paths are so bad (bad sidewalks as our Eddy Merckx would say) I'd prefer 27.5 or 28 wheels, or at least the front wheel in large size.
Bosch motors are supposed to be very good, but they're also very expensive. I also get confused comparing them to say, a Bafang BBSHD? How do the two motors compare in terms of performance? Bosch uses NM and Bafang uses watts?
Bosch 100% does class 3 with internal gear hub. Wife has a riese and muller charger 4 with enviolo high speed. That is a smart system as well. They also do it with rholloff as well. The next smart system update will allow for enviolo high speed automatic to integrate as well as rholloff. To be honest 20 inch wheels and class 3 is kinda a waste of money. 27 inch wheels make way more sense for class 3.
@@BikeShopGirl just purely my opinion but Bosch probably found it isn't worth the extra cost to get internal gear hub and class 3 with 20 inch wheels. Like cargo bikes with class 1 will never have to deal with any new regulations in USA add in 20 inch wheels and so rarely going over 20 unless downhill. Like why pay for it.
@@letsgoOs1002 I would speculate that there are more 20” rear wheel Bosch equipped bikes than 27.5” in the US. With Trek & Cannondale also coming on board the 20” wheel train (Cannondale with a class 3 in the US), I am surprised!
What happens to the smart system and it's ability to Bluetooth security system link to your phone, if you need a new phone? What if I crash and smash my phone? What if my phone gets lost in a rain puddle, or is stolen, and is unrecoverable? How will my bike work?
Your bike works fine without your phone, unless you have the phone set as your key. If you smash/lose your phone then you simply pair with your new phone and use the login. The login is the critical part to your phone sync.
I would like a cargo bike where I can put my pets in the cargo area to take them to the vet (this would enable me to go car free but as it stands I worry about getting pets to the vet and I keep the car for this purpose). Anyone have suggestions for a bike that has cargo area in the front where I can keep my eye on the dogs and maybe a rain cover ?
Hi! What size of an animal are we talking? I used to routinely carry my 50lb dog to work in the front of an urban arrow or a trailer. Tern makes a pet carrying setup for the back of this bike, too.
You know what would be cool? If Tern could make a battery pack around those big batteries Tesla uses for their cars. Tesla batteries are very well regarded. I don't know if it would be technically feasible or economically feasible to buy those batteries from Tesla (or Panasonic), but if they could, that would get a lot of attention.
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Looks like an amazing bike! I'm still rocking and rolling on my 1st gen GSD s10. I love (almost) everything about this bike. (A lot of the things I don't like about it have been fixed in the newer models, but we can't justify upgrading.)
We moved from California to England last summer. We didn't move our car, but we did move the GSD, and I'm SO glad we did. It turned what would be a hour plus bus commute with a mile walk each way, to a mostly pleasant 15-20 minute cycle trip. All we needed to be able to use the GSD here was the bit of the power cord that went from the wall into the brick part of the charger, and that relatively easy to find online. We also ended up getting the Captains Chair and the Sidekick Joyride bars. Happy kid, happy momma.
I still can't justify a new expensive bike, but I do really like that they (finally) got smart about the placement of the charging port. That would make things SO much easier!
The gen 1 GSD is still such a wonderful bike, I’m glad you still love yours.
That's a very high weight capacity. I'm impressed.
So much desirable goodness.
Just watching your intro reminded me about a tip on standing the bike up by holding the rear brake from the front and walking it backwards. Notable for me with a wonky back.
Right on. Some folks use walk assist to get it vertical too. I’m not coordinated enough!
Can confirm. The PP 725 fits in it, with the captain's chair!
amazing! do you have a photo?! arleigh.greenwald@ternbicycles.com
@@BikeShopGirl I can get one tomorrow. Incidentally I had to lend it out immediately XD
what's PP 725? is that the bigger battery? if so that's great news!
@@lukepostl8942 yeah, it's the larger smart systems power pack
@@lukepostl8942 yes “Power Pack 725”
I love that charging port. Like many people who use e-bikes, I can't move around so easy so having that plug where it would be easy to get at is great. At the same time, I wince when I look at the face the sky placement. I really wish that could have been faced down.
Even just on the side near the top probably would've been good. As long as it was somewhere near the top where it was easier to reach and to see what you're doing.
Great video, thanks so much! As you know I am eagerly awaiting my HSD S00. My order form says "duostand gen2 - may require fit kit". You mention that the original duostand doesn't work with this bike? But the newer one does? Can you clarify?
I assume that’s a reminder for the staff to check older HSD models. No fit kit needed for the new bikes :)
And congratulations 🎉
@@BikeShopGirl Perfect, thank you!
Looks sweet. Such a pity they don't have a class 3 with the IGH, though. :/ I have an unlocked Evelo I use as a Class 3 with the IGH Eviolo hub and a Dapu mid and it's so nice to not have to lube the chain ever that I don't think I could go back. At the same time, there are still enough parts of Seattle that kick you on to 25 mph streets randomly that idk if I could go back to a Class 2 for my only bike. Any word on the Vektron and whether we might get an IGH version? I could be convinced to go class 2 if it were folding...
Do you know where I could find or could you tell me how many teeth the p5i variant has on its belt? I wanted to make sure to get a replacement early (i.e. before I need it). Thanks.
Marking on my belt: 11M-151T-120T
Don’t forget it’s cdx.
Does the PP 725 fit? I understand it should, but would love to know.
The only class 3 IGH I know of is R&M and I'm guessing it's because of the suspension and pulley system they use to modulate the load in the belt... but I don't really know. I now have a Load4 75 (UA was stolen 😢) but didn't get the class 3 model
How well does it handle rain? We're looking at a colder, wetter winter in the southeast this winter.
Rain? Great!!
Thanks so much for this informative video. Which dual stand does fit the 2024 HSD S00? I’m looking to upgrade mine as soon as possible.
Gen 2 or gen 3
@@BikeShopGirlsorry I’m just ordering a new bike in Australia and didn’t realise there was a gen 3. So I’m guessing it’s a gen 3 but not sure!🤔
Do you know if or when Gen 3 is released for sale in Australia yet??? 🧐
Hey Bike shop girl. Did you by chance try and fit a 725 watt battery into the HSD slot of the gen 2? is it wishful thinking to replace the 525 ?
A 725 or 800 will fit the HSD gen 2
Great review! Would be nice to see how and if the battery is removable though!
All Bosch e-bike batteries are removable :)
I like the one with the Enviolo hub. I get the sense that one doesn't have a throttle. I wonder if a throttle could be hot wired on?
Bosch doesn’t make throttle bikes. Not sure how it would be wired in….
@@BikeShopGirlNot at all? Wow. That's another point in Bafang's favor.
@@hemaccabe4292 Bafang isn't able to be insured by most major insurance companies, and many shops can't work on them for this reason...
@@BikeShopGirl Good points. But they can use throttles. I was able to insure my bafang bike through our homeowner's insurance. I have two very good local shops that have worked on my bike so I guess I'm lucky. Thanks for the warning though. I do know to be extra careful charging. So far so good. She's about 2 years old.
@@BikeShopGirl Bafang pretty much has Bosch beat on every metric. Plus, it helps that parts are easily available and it’s a system that does not lock you in. As for insurance, I get the feeling that this might be region specific because where I am, Bafang seems to be offered in almost every shop.
Thanks for these amazing videos, BSG! Would love to know what permanent/semi perm pannier you would recommend for my new Tern HSD P10? I love your recommendation to get the biggest bag out there and then put my other bags into it (Love those IKEA blue bags!). I was thinking one pannier could be left on the bike, and then the other side could have an ORTLIEB VARIO or similar backpack/pannier type of bag for my computer, equipment, that I would take with me... Any favorites? To complicate things, ideally my friend could sit on the back with the sidekick pad and handlebars...and therefore which foot pegs would you recommend that wouldn't affect the panniers? In addition, I was really hoping for an option where my 11 pound dog could occasionally fit in a front system: bag, basket, crate? I was thinking a removable front system, so that it's still easy to load the bike into a car without a huge front rack in the way. Absolutely love your reviews and videos and watch them over and over 🙂 Thank you and keep 'em coming!
Congratulations on the new bike! Which color did you get?!
The HSD footrest are accessible if you have the cargo hold 37 or 28 panniers folded up. I’m not sure if you can reach them with ortlieb style.
As for panniers… cargo hold 37 were designed for the bike, the catch is that they come in pairs which may not be ideal for you.
Cargo Hold 28 are sold individually which may benefit you, though they are a bit smaller!
In general, I’m still a big fan of using my normal bag and putting into more permanent/sturdy fit panniers but Ortlieb make amazing bags. I’ve also been looking at two wheel gear but haven’t seen any in person.
@@BikeShopGirl Thanks for your comments! I got the orange one, OF COURSE! For some reason with the 37s attached in the store, it seemed to cover up the mounts for the footrests, but maybe we just need to readjust the 37s back more. TwoWheelGear looks amazing too! I just got a beautiful regular backpack from PeakDesign which I could throw inside the 37s...my concern about the semi permanents is leaving stuff (not super valuable) inside them while the bike is unattended. Do you think the new alarm system on the Smart System is enough of a deterrent if someone tries to mess with the pannier? I'm also opting for the transporteur rack with a quick release so that I can take the dog in a crate on occasion. Going through your videos one by one...
Do you know if there is a battery upgrade available to say 625 or 725W
You can always purchase a 725 or 800 but there isn’t an upgrade to swap
I notice the bike has two pipes between motor and handlebars. That would be a great place to have a second battery mount point. I would like my bike to have two big batteries so I could have more range. I currently have about 30 miles of range. If that could go up to 50 or 100, that would be marvelous. Just a suggestion, perhaps for the gen 3?
Like that e-bike lock. You can steal this thing, much good it will do you.
That was very interesting thank you. I am in Europe and something I'd love to see is weights given in kilograms as well as pounds. You could include this as a graphic on screen perhaps. I know that you had a table with kgs as well as lbs but earlier when you were talking it was just lbs. I suspect a lot of your viewers are using kgs, but I don't know this of course.
Thanks for the feedback!! I’ll try to remember for the next one :)
Divide by 2 is close enough.
Can it go about 160km in distance on one charge?
Wonderful review! I will say it would be great if Bosch miraculously (/s) allows multiple bikes to sync to the Flow App. It's pretty ridiculous that the Flow App + phone can only pair on 1 bike. Horrible for bike sharing and for users with multiple Smart System bikes.
Very slick connecting to the phone. Still, I would prefer a separate big screen so I can keep my phone for tunes, phone calls and navigating. That's just my personal preference though. What do I know? I still want my phone to have a slide out keyboard. Sigh.
nice bike nevertheless our bicycle paths are so bad (bad sidewalks as our Eddy Merckx would say) I'd prefer 27.5 or 28 wheels, or at least the front wheel in large size.
With their increased GVWR and all the testing, do you know why the max rider weight is unchanged (120k)?
It still is using a folding handlepost, telescopic seatpost 👍
Does anyone know if an HSD will easily fit in the back of a Tesla Model Y?
Yes! With the seat folded
I like that Tern uses a mid-drive motor.
I want this move in Singapore allow?
Allow in Singapore?
I’m sorry I don’t know
Bosch motors are supposed to be very good, but they're also very expensive. I also get confused comparing them to say, a Bafang BBSHD? How do the two motors compare in terms of performance? Bosch uses NM and Bafang uses watts?
Bosch are 250 W... 65 Nm Gen1 e 75 Gen2 Smart system.
@@antoniomenino5895 Thank-you. That sounds very weak compared to a Bafang BBSHD?
Bosch 100% does class 3 with internal gear hub. Wife has a riese and muller charger 4 with enviolo high speed. That is a smart system as well. They also do it with rholloff as well. The next smart system update will allow for enviolo high speed automatic to integrate as well as rholloff.
To be honest 20 inch wheels and class 3 is kinda a waste of money. 27 inch wheels make way more sense for class 3.
Thanks for the feedback!
I wonder if Bosch meant no performance sport?
@@BikeShopGirl just purely my opinion but Bosch probably found it isn't worth the extra cost to get internal gear hub and class 3 with 20 inch wheels. Like cargo bikes with class 1 will never have to deal with any new regulations in USA add in 20 inch wheels and so rarely going over 20 unless downhill. Like why pay for it.
@@letsgoOs1002 I would speculate that there are more 20” rear wheel Bosch equipped bikes than 27.5” in the US.
With Trek & Cannondale also coming on board the 20” wheel train (Cannondale with a class 3 in the US), I am surprised!
I'm confused, what about the wheel diameter makes a class 3 motor less viable?
The Tern HSD S11, for example, has the Bosch Class 3 motor.
I wouldn't look at Tern, but if you think it's good, I'll listen. Always nice having a coffee with you.
I’m curious y….
You think TERN is not a good bike ? Why ?
@@Helder1982PT I wouldn’t say not good. However, it’s very expensive and it’s missing a lot of features.
Love having coffee with you!
Thanks for joining! How have you been?
@@BikeShopGirl I’ve been good. I hope your baby is doing well?
What happens to the smart system and it's ability to Bluetooth security system link to your phone, if you need a new phone? What if I crash and smash my phone? What if my phone gets lost in a rain puddle, or is stolen, and is unrecoverable? How will my bike work?
Your bike works fine without your phone, unless you have the phone set as your key. If you smash/lose your phone then you simply pair with your new phone and use the login. The login is the critical part to your phone sync.
Is there an electric bike designed for maximum efficiency and range?
I would like a cargo bike where I can put my pets in the cargo area to take them to the vet (this would enable me to go car free but as it stands I worry about getting pets to the vet and I keep the car for this purpose). Anyone have suggestions for a bike that has cargo area in the front where I can keep my eye on the dogs and maybe a rain cover ?
Hi! What size of an animal are we talking? I used to routinely carry my 50lb dog to work in the front of an urban arrow or a trailer.
Tern makes a pet carrying setup for the back of this bike, too.
You should review some trek e-bikes!
This is not a bike review site. She works for Tern.
You know what would be cool? If Tern could make a battery pack around those big batteries Tesla uses for their cars. Tesla batteries are very well regarded. I don't know if it would be technically feasible or economically feasible to buy those batteries from Tesla (or Panasonic), but if they could, that would get a lot of attention.
I am IN if you ever want a partner for the wake county trails.
Awesome, send me a message. Arleigh@bikeshopgirl.com
When you got to that one size fits most, that would have been a good time to mention max weight. Just suggesting.
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