army recruiter exposes dark truth
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2022
- i talk with [redacted] a US Veteran and army recruiter about his perspective on drug use, lying recruiters, and the reality of how army recruitment works
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After all of this, you can’t really blame young people for avoiding the army like the plague
a little bit of history goes a long way, not the highschool history crap.
I got the same vibe from recruiters at my high school as I did from jehova's witnesses. Kinda creepy, kinda bullshitty. Like they wanted me to do something for their benefit. I was like hell no to that.
They came up to me dressed in plain clothes while I was working a shift at a hardware store
@@crabinijig8403 even basic ww2 history can make you realize something.
For sure. Same with the Navy and Marines
My grandfather was a marine drill instructor (fought in Korea). Flat out told me that if I signed up that he would "break my fucking legs." I'm glad he didn't sugar coat his time in the service, saved me a life time.
Yes you are lucky your dad told you straight. I think alot of people reminisce about the military the same way they reminisce about a loony ex GF. They remember the wild sex and the fun parts but they forget about the slashed tires, low pay and disrespect.
Except you were not gonna get the opportunity to fight in Korea.
So massively diff experience.
@@ThePresentation010 Military is Military, you're fucked one way or another when you join.
@@mctransportation9831 this is really well said
I _wish_ my dad was that honest.
My life was turned upside down when my girlfriend joined the army at 18. She was raped at Fort Rucker, AL and very little was done to make her feel safe. What he said about the army doing internal investigating and deciding whether or not crimes happened is 100% accurate and fucking disgusting.
Did you join?
Jesus, that's horrifying...
The ARMY is mainly the branch can do anything and get away with it, the most unprofessional military branch out of all military branches.
@@garouuchiha4041Yup. I know many guys with PTSD due to the chaos of the Army. They’re a pretty much a gang of psychos.
@@garouuchiha4041to be fair it is the largest branch also
The military is a magnet for lost souls. This guy being a prime example.
YUP I AGREE
kind of like cults, they love taking in people who can be exploited, any kind of free thinking or independent thought will get you kicked out
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Sounded like he had it pretty good before 2008 financial crisis. Sounds like he had a good dad too
My recruiter told me flat out that about 90% of the military could be arrested for fraudulent enlistment for one thing or another. (Hidden injuries, prior mental health issues, prior drug use)
It’s only fradulent if it was a condition that is deemed disqualifying in the military. Smoking weed one time with your friends when you were 16 is not disqualifying. Also, records get sealed by the time your 18, so 90% is honestly a made up number.
@@ericlane3256 thats not entirely true. Hiding things that wouldn’t be disqualifying but would require a waiver is also considered fraudulent enlistment. Also I only said prior drug use, obviously I didn’t mean a single time when you were 16, thats quite the exaggeration. 90% isn’t necessary the most SCIENTIFIC number, but it’s actually a relatively decent estimate from those I’ve talked to in the community.
I had a class mate that was with me during NJROTC and he straight up told me he's gonna battle through the ankle injury he has and just blame it on the army so yeah its pretty much true
@@crisgallardo8512 so fucking dumb to fuck up your body possibly for life for such an abysmal reward.
I was supposed to do a drug test the day I was enlisting. I had smoked a spliff a few hours before. I told him that I can't use the restroom for a few hours and maybe we could try in a month. He smiled told me to drink lots of water and run a lot. Did it a month later. The amount of people that failed due to CBD use was nuts. I'm pretty sure they changed it, but a lot were failing due to creams and other CBD products. That was really dumb.
The suicide of the recruiter was poignant for me. The CO of my command killed himself and “the mission must continue”. All we got was a “if you feel depressed try to talk to someone?” After there were several copycat suicides over a 2 week period
Sorry to hear about that man. Your story checks out. I mentally blocked the loss of my 1SG. The Commander and him were so tight when they ran an OP in Europe. I controlled the 21 gun salute and during the practice runs at the church during the first iteration a stand in captain stood at the podium to read the letter from 1SG’s commander in Europe (the commander was at RASP). Man, when I tell you I fucking cried during that reading people had to come see if I was okay. I loved 1SG. At the end of the day though it had to get pushed down. It had to, it has to, and it will. If you don’t, the next thing pushed down will be you. I’m sorry for your loss brother.
We had a great soldier kill himself after 6 months at my first unit, the BCs response? "He chose to leave the army family" he knew from all of our eyes that he fucked up and tried to back track. Mental health help is a joke in the military.
@@justanothergrunt9053 Appreciate it man, I didn't know the guy well because it was a fleet HQ, but it still is what it is and I was on watch when the info came in on his suicide.
What is a "copycat" suicide?
@@watcher805 people commit suicide in a similar manner due to the effects of the first suicide on them and the same effects that took the first person, caused others to commit suicide.
I.E. a shitty leadership doing shitty things, causing multiple to take their life.
I was in. Deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan between 2009-2014. If a veteran is honest with himself they will realized they didn't serve their country, but rather served the interests of the government. This is a big difference that a lot of people don't understand.
Yeah… I did 5 deployments to the Persian Gulf when I was in the Navy. I can confidently say that 99% of the sailors I was with had never heard of the Petro Dollar. They seriously though we were just there to fight terrorism.
By extension what you are also saying is that the government doesnt serve the people.
@danieldorn9989 A bit over generalized, but accurate. Local governance can serve the people, federal/national governance has plenty of examples of the exact opposite.
Bank and corporations. Governments owned by them.
2005-2018, I'm really fucking slow bro, it was in 2016 when I started to realize something was just wrong. The PTSD that I wasn't dealing with started to explode, the VA has a hell of a time dealing with me today still because I don't trust anything anybody says about anything, my mental is rotten fucking mush.
Yet the military wonders why they are having trouble with recruiting new blood.
In a world with such free access to information, it’s harder and harder to lie about what goes on inside the military.
this video wasn't even shocking, it just feels like i'm talking to another one of my army buddies. it's so normal I'm honestly shocked people don't know this stuff, it's pretty common shenanigans
Well you're a number, filling a position in there. There are alot of benefits to serving - and he says it himself. I know because I was US Army for 12 years active duty and another 8 as a Reservist. And I'm glad I did it, soon I will receive my pension.
When you look at NPOs/NGOs that blatantly self serve for private interest groups in the civilian sector, they straight up will tell you all it's all spin (just look a little). Maybe the military needs to reaccess a bit?
also nowadays you can actually see with evidence how bad the military is, and how the people who join are typically those who are exploitable rather than noble.
Anyone who legitimately believes that they're the good guys when in the military are the gullible people the military likes to exploit. Ever since ww2 excluding the korean war, nothing done in the army has been for any good reason, and no one should feel proud of serving in any war besides those two.
@@metalmike570 I agree with this, even though I relate a lot to this video.
I applied for officer training in the air force a few years ago. Fresh out from college, jobs are scarce, and I was willing to do anything. The recruiter I had was Tech Sgt Boyd. He was honest and actually turned me down due me going to a therapist 1.5 years ago when life was stressful. I remember him sighing when he read my history then he explained to me that I need 36 months of being cleared from a therapist/doctor before you can join. At the time I was angry about the situation, but got over it. A little while later I had an army recruiter contact me saying he could sweep that therapy paperwork under the rug or I simply don't list it and I'm in. I declined. Years have gone by and I still wonder how different my life would be had I taken that other path. Thank you Tech Sgt Boyd for doing your job the right way and being honest. I'll never forget.
Yeah, the requirements for entry are so high these days. There are some things that I may or may not have left off of/photocopy-altered from my mental history report. I'm glad I did what I had to do to get in, but my recruiter was a weirdo and a liar. I'll get back to that in a minute. I got a 92 AFQT score on the ASVAB and could take any job I wanted. I joined for the benefits, didn't really think about what job I wanted. There were some medical jobs, some logisitcs jobs, ops job, some maintenance jobs. I applied as a hydraulic technician bc of the $20k sign on bonus. Thought, since it's the AF, I would be doing specifically the job that I applied for and wouldn't be conned into other shit. Got my ship date, spent 178 days in total between basic and tech school, then got to come home for RAP. Found out what kind of person my recruiter was when I got back. Another one of the RAP airman spoke out about having to spend the night with with him bc of some housing logistic issues. The recruiter got drunk as fuck, asked the kid if he wanted to fuck his wife, then after he denied the request the recruiter then asked if he could suck the airman's dick. We're talking about a ~40yo man and an 18yo kid. Thankfully he said something about it and pushed it up to the SARC. Wanna know what happened to the recruiter though? He got relocated ~40 miles from the base. Haven't heard of any LOA/C/Rs yet, doubt it will happen bc of how desparate they are to retain recruiters. In addition to that, if you're a mechanic you'll probably get pulled as an SF augmentee. SF (Security Forces) are essentially the MP of the Airforce. Happened to me after 3 weeks of being PCS'd. Pretty cool training tbh, but Ik most people probably wouldn't like to get peppered lol You might also get pulled for color guard too. At the end of the day, once you swear in the gov't owns you. They do with you what they want, and what they want is what they need. Not saying you made a good or bad decision, but you should definitely appreciate keeping your individual sovereignty.
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@@Terry_Dactyl i talked to a girl in the AF ( you can guess how that turned out ) and some of the things that always stuck with me is the nervous breakdowns she would have from being isolated from her family constantly and her telling me that she sold herself to the AF. It definitely had a negative impact on her mentally
Air Force is much different in mostly good ways
Sounds chad AF
Hearing the things he talks about like taking advantage of high school kids and recruiters having sexual relationships with them and then saying it "happens all the time" makes me feel sick. Recruiters make you lie about everything to sound good so you can ship off to basic. It's so scary
Almost 3 years as a 12b combat enginner in the national guard..... totatlly regret picking this job... as much as I am glad to have done the things i've done... he's right.... it takes a toll that words can't do justice... fuck.
The same as most non-military recruiters too
@@bigboss1393 Honestly so many people I've talked to/dated that are/were in the military regret it on some level. One was in the Marines and saw and experienced terrible things. Another one's recruiter absolutely fucked him over and he was miserable all 4 years. Seeing what it's done to people I love under the guise of patroitism is heartbreaking.
And meanwhile he still thinks the army has been good. I just don't get it, he mentions many BIG problems that need to be changed immediately in my eyes. But he still thinks it's okay for most people to subject themselves to that? It's like in his mind it's just a few bad apples but his word show that it's a systematic problem. I really don't get how he can speak of integrity but not take these serious problems seriously.
One of the rotc teachers in hs got busted for that shit
As someone who’s still in the Army this guy is speaking 110% facts.
Israel thanks you
@@parabot2all good people deserve to live
@@parabot2I'm a American army reservist. I most closely identify as muslim but i still support israels right to exist and hamas is evil
@@jaobyeden4143 Israel thanks you ofr your service
The child is still growing up and wanted people to know it🤡🎈🎪🤔🤨
They’re a rare breed, but my recruiter hooked me up. Talked me out of infantry, artillery, and motor t and had me choose cyber, air traffic controller, and aircrew. He didn’t send dozens of calls my way, bully me, pressure me. College was not an option so enlisting in cyber and going through a NSA sponsored school and getting certified in that field and the basic benefits set me up. He got me back home on RA and overall I probably would’ve gone into drugs if I didn’t join. Friends I shipped with got screwed but he gave them the contract they wanted, admin put them where they wanted them though. Semper Fidelis, SSgt Lopez
Damn devil you missed out. Artillery fucking rocks. To each their own I guess.
Lmao, you actually let your recruiter talk you out of joining the actual Marine Corps, you fucking pog.
Bro, what NSA sponsored program did you go through? I’m in the AF stationed at Fort Meade (the NSA) and doing cyber stuff currently
@@notalanrogers3173 holy shit it’s insane to think “pog” is a term people still unironically use. Fun fact motor t is going to itb so they pogs?
@@gabriellebron9968 Probably JCAC (Joint Cyber Analysis Course)
A buddy of mine was a recruiter for many years. Nobody will tell you to stay away from the military more adamantly than he would now.
God bless him.
Theres very few good recruiters that care and the good ones are quickly chopped ... it sucks .
@@samm2091bcs army is not to DEFEND. Its realy nothing more than human ammo for rich predators but hey HERO KILL BADBOYS RIGHT?
@@Mhzzdzd2us-hq1lc It's a system to defend out country. And in some ways it's changed but not necessarily for the better. One thing is for sure and that is we need ALL of the Branches of the Military, and we need brave and strong young men and women to enlist.
@@metalmike570 you need a real government that shines the light of your founding fathers instead of having your sons dying in some sand war.
Why do the democrats and republicans agree on the one single issue, the sovereignty of the state that shall not be named in the Middle East?
Why can't they both agree on the issue of the American people's sovereignty on their own land?
My grandpa was in the military for 30 years and he said being a recruiter was what he hated the most, and was the lowest part of his entire career.
A MP Sgt Vietnam Vet in my unit in 1977 got recruiter duty right in his home town right near the beach in California. Can you beat that? Six months goes by maybe a few more and guess what he’s right back with me. I couldn’t believe it. I asked him what the hell happened to you? His reply was it was just trying to make the the quota. But the worst part was” I can’t lie to these guys like they want me to”.
Army in the 70s had a rough time recruiting anybody as well in spite of Carter’s disastrous economics. Even then it was hard to be a recruiter.
Of course this shit is nothing but a Rat Catcher.
Search lost souls to sell them a "dream" that in reality is a horror dream.
Then if your grandpa was enlisted he was an E-9, a Command Sergeant Major if he was Army. If another beranch he was the equivilant, an E-9 too. And they get paid very well.
how did he end up as a recruiter? was it not possible to leave before that position showed up?
Talked to a recruiter once, told them about how I had been previously prescribed ADHD medication. Recruiter stopped me right there, told me "there is a very, very likely possibility of many days where you won't be able to have access to the medicine you need. I'm sorry, but you're too much of a liability. Please understand."
I think he gave me tough love to protect me. Thank you, my local army recruiters; you're one of the better ones.
Nice
He just didn’t want to do the work to put you in. I’m in the Army currently and take Vyvance daily. As long as you get 90 supply you can manage.
how do they not have access to needed medicine? esp when they've got weapons and other stuff?
@NL-jy2mp that's a shame; always wondered how life would have gone. But I'm in a better place now.
@corncobbob2326 I think NL-jy2mp said it best; recruiter didn't want to do the work to put me in.
I'm so glad that someone is finally coming out and speaking on this. I spent 12yrs in the USAF, to get a job I hated but was good at it, to be harassed, sexually assaulted by supervisors, to get reprimanded for reporting the incident via the open door policy with the commander of my unit.
Thank you so much for speaking out on this. You are a blessing to us all.
I’m so sorry that happened to you, I cannot recommend any woman join the military because of the massive sexual harassment problem. My sister went through a very similar and scary situation like you and it destroyed her mentally. The person who did that to her is still a chief warrant officer in the army, because the rape situation never was reported, I just pray that scumbag isn’t doing anything else to any other young army enlistees. May god be with you ❤
What is the open door policy if it's fine asking? And even if you were reprimanded, was there an unspoken but collective agreement between other soldiers that it was the supervisors at fault (kinda like when an entire class doesn't talk to each other but they sense and agree that they all hate the unfair teacher)? I'm sorry you went through that. I genuinely hope these guys rot and that their time in the military won't mean much to people since they hurt you and others. I hope they get exposed and no one tries to excuse them.
I got harassed by recruiters when I was a senior in HS. All the tactics he described happened to me. I had no idea it was a systemic problem.
what did they do exactly?
@@lucky-lu6tc added me on all social media, called me a lot, told me badass stories and things I would see, pulled me out of classes they knew i didnt like and into the office to talk about my future, even called me dad two or three times. I know that sounds peachy, but when you're 17 and don't know what you're doing with your life it feels more like someone trying to force you to do something you're not sure of. I really would get calls multiple times a week and texts everyday. Granted I was giving these guys the time of day so it wasn't like I was cornered. But they do want to stay in constant contact with you to reassure you you're making the right choice. Which at a certain point is over bearing and I got the feeling that these guys were trying to sell me something instead of starting the process for me to serve my country. It all started to feel predatory and fake. Sorta like a MLM.
@David Van Budgie That’s not harassment that’s building a rapport, and all recruiters do it.
@@ericlane3256 It's grooming lol.
They came to my house. That scared me, I was just a young girl, home alone and a guy is banging on my door, and he's in uniform so I thought I had to answer... So messed up.
It's a tragedy all those kids who go in thinking they'll be worldly patriotic heroes, only to find themselves surrounded by drugs, rape, crime and suicide, personally coming out the other side broken, disillusioned and traumatized by the experience. Wish my veteran dad had gotten help, especially before he had kids, but they didn't even have a name for his problems until the damage had already been done to his soul and our family. The military strips people not only of their identity but also their humanity, becoming a machine makes the job of taking lives easier. If I'm proud of my dad for anything it's not for attaining high rank or serving his country with "honor and distinction", I don't think there are many who've been on the inside that believe in that bunk. I'm proud of my dad for holding on to his humanity despite the horrors he suffered, and inflicted.
Facts.
And all for wars that haven't been justified since WW2
@@psychopompous3207 and what
@@pesty4592 after what happened to Pat Tillman, the military can suck it
Sadly patriots are good hearted prime targets of psychopaths and sociopaths.Patriots always aim the wrong direction.Maybe it is uncle sammys turn to get molested.
I was in the marines for 4 years as an 0341 (2015-2019) and it was a phenomenal experience. That said, there is no way I’d ever let my daughter join. That sexual assault shirt is real
Shirts are for real
I'm sure you never had any part of that did ya champ? Nope. Not you. LOLOLOLOL everything changes when it's YOUR little girl am I right? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
@@edmondgreen7970 no I didn’t, 1 because it isn’t right, 2 because there’s no women in the infantry lmao. At least not my unit
Know of 2 female and 3 male friends who went marine corps. All of them were either victims or witnesses of grape/SA. Rah.
@@v00doozz82We just went to the triangle inn with escorts.
I'm a rather tall and wide guy. We had a group of Army recruiters at our school for a few weeks when I was a senior in high school. They would try to talk to me every day for the first couple weeks they were at my school and even bought me food a few times. The last time they bought me lunch was when I finally felt bad enough to tell one of them that my Dad is a Vietnam combat vet and that I would never join the military after hearing his stories.
Don't listen to recruiters. Ask soldiers what its like currently as lower enlisted. The higher ups live in a different reality
The difference between an enlisted grunt and even the NCOs is very big.
Anybody got information of the current situation in the Army. I was planning to enlist in the coming weeks.
@@Baconcatboy Just fucking don't. It's rubbish. I mean, do it if you want to be brainwashed and suffer a lot.
@@Baconcatboyjust choose a non combat job thats gonna benefit you in the civilian world ,im an E2 and so far its chill
@@Baconcatboyjust do what you can
I was in the Army. Everything he says is something I can attest to. I’ve done two charities to raise money, because there are 22 suicides a day with our armed forces.
That’s way too high dude there is no way
2.2 suicides per day
Surprisingly or not surprisingly a lot in that statistic of 22 a day are Vietnam era Veterans. I had it put to me like this, they have suppressed their feelings and memories by keeping busy raising a family and working their careers that now that the kids are grown and out of the house and their retired that those memories and feelings creep back in and overwhelm them. As a Iraq War Army Veteran myself I have lost soldiers I have served with from suicide and dealt with mental fuckness myself.
@@bobdole6691 22. Per day buddy
It was like that in the Navy during peacetime of the late 90s. I can't imagine Army or USMC during combat deployments.
My sister’s fiancé had PTSD after the death of his friend when they were ambushed, was a heroin addict and hung himself. I’m not gonna sugar coat it, the global system is unsustainable.
I joined the Army in it's Golden Age, the 80's. It managed to shake off the Vietnam "stigma". It just started the College Fund and combined with the GI Bill, it really made a difference with me going to college. I only stayed in the regular Army 3 years but made my E-5 before getting out. I joined my state National Guard and got tuition exemption to any state funded college! Had my E-6 only one year later. My NG unit participated in Desert Storm and Desert Shield in 1990. With all those benefits and a part time job, I got my degree in four years with no student loan debt. I went to professional school and have been a practicing optometrist for 26 years now. I will be joining the VA next month and expect to retire in 5 years.
It really saddens me that the military has fallen so far.....I had and used all those opportunities but after hearing this video, I would never recommend that anyone join.
If you think that this isnt true, i promise the ARMY is as scummy as he makes it out to be. We had 3 soldiers commit suicide in our battalion within a couple months from what i can remember. They made the companies bring the soldiers together and talk about "suicide prevention" for 30 minutes which ended up being just a half assed load of shit. We then proceeded to go back to work almost instantly it seemed like it was swept under the rug. The companies are now looking down on people that try to seek mental health assistance and label them as people that are just trying to get out of work.
Our own first sergeant was having sexual relations with married soldiers in our operations room
Who knew that Jodie was a fellow enlisted all along? I guess the Big Green Weenie won't stop at just fuxxing the enlisted :/
Yessir... and soon as we uphold the prestige we are then labeled terrorist. Especially once we transition to the civilian sector and start working in any level of law enforcement. Everyone has his or her own experience but when we speak up we get black balled immediately on top of being called crazy. I might be crazy for even going back in but at this point its like F it why not cause its pure chaos out here. This dark cloud over this country is real. Only thing is too do regardless of the many issues is continue to lead by example regardless. History will speak for itself 🤙🏽💯💪🏾
Yup that sounds about right. Glad I got out.
Drum?
They recently started putting women in with men, right? It seems over the past few years I hear your exact same story in repeat. Higher ups banging the female soldiers. Tons of drama, etc.
I’m glad he’s outing the dirt on recruiting. My friend was one of those victims. He planned on having her join the Air Force to be stationed under him. And when I called him out on it he just disappeared, no investigation, no follow up calls from base, nothing. Probably doing the same shit somewhere in Hawaii or Osaka
A victim of what exactly?
@@ericlane3256 I mean it's pretty clear from the paragraph that he was wanting to tap that
@@ericlane3256 reading on the lines and obvious trap, the recruiter is probably trying to rape her without anyone looking.
Lol your friend is pretty dumb. You only can assist to work under yours or any recruiter once a year every year. Unless you’re a part timer you don’t pick where you can go.
How exactly would he have her “stationed under him”. Recruiters don’t have that kind of authority. She would to go to basic and IET and then get assigned to whatever post they decided. Seems fishy
The "open door policy" stuff is what tanked my military career.
As a boot in the fleet, I had a Senior Lance who was straight highschool bullying me. Like, not inductory hazing -- but like, spitefully trying to make my life miserable.
Put up with it for about a year, then got fed up, talked to our Platoon Sergeant about it, and he straight hung me out to dry. I was in First Sergeants office signing a NJP 30 minutes later.
The Senior Lance was favored, despite his steroid abuse, literal roid rage, and general poor character.
Boi, did I pay for using the "open door policy"
Was Senior Lance a bully to everyone (kinda like in school when that mf picks on one kid, then another, and so on until the students hate them) or just targeted you specifically? And why? I hope he goes through hell that's equal to or outweighs what he did to you and others. You didn't deserve your time, effort, and sacrifice tanked bc of him. I know he was favored but did everyone else see right through and recognize he was the problem?
@corncobbob2326 He was, generally, a bully to everyone -- sans one boot he was "grooming" to be his protégé.
He bullied me, excessively, because I got injured during the work up, and missed some field time. (And the infantry has a "eat-its-own" mentality, sadly.)
Not to gas myself up, but I think he was so frustrated by me, because I was a "broke dick", but I kept up with the knowledge. I didn't fail any knowledge quizzes, and stayed on top of my knowledge. (The only thing he could really "get at me" for was my knowledge, and when I knew it all, he started accusing me of malignering and forcing me to do physical stuff to "prove it.")
I was friends with some of his peers (my seniors) and a couple of his seniors (my grand seniors); and most of my senior friends didn't like him anymore, because he "changed" when he picked up Squad Leader and started using steroids.
One of my grandseniors, actually, apologized to me saying "I don't know what we did wrong, but your seniors are terrible, and we don't have enough time left in to fix them. We failed you guys."
Overall, it was a bad batch, and a bad unit. My unit (an infantey unit) was noncombat deployable, due to a incident in 2010.
So, we all literally suffered, and never had a chance to do our job. 0/10, wouldn't do it again. Lol
“Request Mast, Get Harassed” was the running joke so this tracks.
@kylemurray3526 Tracks.
But I didn't "request mast", per say.
We were having predeployment "checks" with our SSGT.
One of his questions was if we had any beef within the platoon that needed to be taken care of before deployment.
I said "yes, actually."
Wrong answer, I guess.
Dude was so gung ho about being part of the "old breed", and how he "handled things in house", and that "paperwork ruins marines careers."
He folded on those principles like a wet sack.
I was shocked when he brought up Vanessa, I remembered seeing her around high school. I never knew exactly how she died, just that she was repeatedly assaulted and murdered.
I spent 18 years getting ready join military only to see that everything I've been told about it was a damn lie.
Ive kinda regret my desicion too bro ever since i got into highschool ive been thinking about joining the rangers and now i dont know if i want to anymore.
the military isn't the only way. I wanted to join growing up but ended up doing civilian contractor work for the Navy and honestly ended up in a better place for it
Try new things man. I'm still considering military, most likely Air Force, but I have other interests aswell. Photography is really great!!
@@OmegaElevenEngage I second this! Photography and videography are great fields to get into if you're looking for some adventiure. You can even work with the military, and:
1) get paid way, way more than your enlisted counterparts
2) travel on your client's dime if the job calls for it
3) keep your freedom
I knew it was a lie when I went in at 25 and STILL fucking hated it.
Clicking into this, I didn’t think I would hear him talk about Vanessa. Much respect… her story needs to be told. I was in a military Facebook group where her family and friends were sharing her photo and asking a about her whereabouts. I watched as her case gained traction and my own family and friends started to share her photo. Every time I saw the posts, I felt sick. This is what we allow in America. Imagine the amount of deaths that go hidden anywhere corrupt. People go missing, but a lot of them don’t.
"This is what we allow in America."
No it's not. Don't be disingenuous because you are emotional. Know where that sort of shit is allowed? muslim countries. Not America. Stop.
@@ripvanwinkle6449 Please take your insensitive and bigoted conspiracies elsewhere; denying that stuff like this ever happens in America even in cases where it was in national news and objectively proven is you being absolutely disconnected from reality.
@@MellowMink it's not "allowed in america". I never said it didn't happen. Re-read my comment.
God I remember that event, I was in a Fort Hood in 2020, not even a year out from getting out the Army and I was wondering if I would reenlist or get out. Safe to say I am out. Fuck Fort Hood. Fuck the active Army.
@@ripvanwinkle6449 you must be a Fort Hood guy
I medically retired as a Staff Sergeant recently. I have a load of stories to tell... but the last thing I was made to do, while I was out processing, was out process a SFC who was sexually abusing the daughter of one of his friends. I guess it had been going on for years. I read through the charges and was absolutely disgusted.. He only got house arrest for several months.
Looking back, there was really no honor. No integrity. Just people working for themselves and a paycheck. Never trusted another SM around my wife either.
When I first started listening to him, I agreed with about 40%. After about 6 min it changed to about 75% after 10 it peaked at like 95%. This guys pretty spot on. 19 years and counting
It's crazy what goes on behind the scenes of our military.
The problem is we have no proof whether or not this guy is bullshitting, its kinda why i don't like a lot of these channels
Edit. Its not that I doubt this shit happens, its that we can't really prove whatever guest they (or any other similar channel) have on isn't bullshitting
at least finish watching the video, you crazy doofus
@@brendenhickman4198 Having been in the army, there are details that are simply too difficult to bullshit. While possible that he's just really good at lying, his story isn't too dissimilar to what I've heard/seen
@@AskMeWhyYoureStupid then why are you here still commenting?
@@AskMeWhyYoureStupid You "just unsubscribed" like 50 times already dude
I was a listless highschool senior and felt inspired by my father's time in the Army Rangers to try and join the Army. He talked me out of it, saying "it was the best worst decision of [his] life" and that "[I] have a future outside of the military and that I don't need it" and to basically pursue any and every avenue that didn't put me through the hell that is the military.
Never got a chance to thank him for that, but I'm immensely grateful he convinced me not to enlist because I know for a fact that I'd have committed suicide within a year.
I was a Marine. Dude you are spitting the TRUTH! I wish there was UA-cam when I joined!!
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I'm going in and I wanna ask how it is for you?
when i was in high school, we had one of the scummiest recruiters imaginable there. one time we had an entire class taken up by this dude doing his spiel. he pointed to me and asked why i wouldnt join, i told him i wanted to be a race car driver (which hasnt worked out on account of my parents not being rich). dude really told me there was a motorsports program in the army, as if i wouldnt know about that if it was real. if he was willing to try and spin such a blatant lie to me about something i was already knowledgeable about, i can only imagine what he told other students and how many believed him.
The army does have an motor sports program but very very few junior enlisted get in and those who do get in already had racing experience and or training outside
what my boy Bobby said.
@Joshua Tucker everyone you know merely tolerates your presence
@Joshua Tucker definitely not the comeback you thought it was bud
I had lost my son when I was in and hearing the yeah I know this happened to you but the mission line I was so angry confused and so many emotions I can't even describe the just lack of empathy from the people around me was so astounding to me
mate I’m sorry that happened to you. I hope you are doing better now. How unfathomably cruel
I hope you are doing better and were able to properly mourn for your loss, rather than have some guy treating you like a cog in a machine. Hopefully the system can get cleaned of all of these negative issues so others won’t go through your pain or someone else in a similar situation.
No one in your unit was there for you? No friends? Obviously the upper echelon doesn't give a shit they never do... but not even the lower enlisted?
Thanks for the support yall I had friends but not alot there was alot of clicks or people who kept to themselves had lots of finishing work grab beers go back to your room types I was a 3381 a cook stationed at camp pendleton I like to just say I picked the wrong Mos but it really felt it just wasn't for me after that I went into a really dark place fortunately I have my family so I'm lucky alot of people I've seen go in can find he'll one way or another my first week into the fleet one of my corporals tried to hang herself there were alot of just moments like this or scandals like higher ups sleeping with junior marines but anyway doing better now spending time with my family has helped alot all I know how to do is to stay moving I guess
sorry for your loss. thank you for your service
The entire city of Houston (especially the Hispanic community) was glued to their TVs keeping up with the tragic Vanessa guillen case as She was also born n raised in Houston. I remember being so shocked since my older brother had just joined the army and was shipped overseas to Germany. There’s a beautiful mural of Vanessa behind taqueria del sol ( amazing gorditas ) off Park Pl Blvd
What was even more shocking is there was also an army paratrooper that was murdered at fort Bragg, Enrique Martinez, while the Vanessa investigation was still going on
Shout out to Taqueria del Sol! We can never forget about Vanessa Guillen.
@@flCL47 That's a bit...suspicious...and depending on who the soldier was....possible convenient in regards to the Vanessa situation.
Fort Bragg and Fort Hood both need a massive investigation and overhaul with its leadership from top to bottom. Way too many deaths and assaults happening to just turn your head from.
@@franklugo6928 That whole base has been accused of going rouge. Personally I believe everyone in it should be locked up. Fort Hood has no good people except criminals in uniform. Imagine what they can do to civilians in war time
i mean to be honest the fact that people are surprised by this is whats actually scary. i was going to go into the military and i was slowly realizing how dark it really is. you're literally signing up to be expendable. so thats how they treat you.
I was a "permanent" Army recruiter and later station commander, before I decided to get out. This guy speaks a lot of truth. Only thing I would add is perks only come to the recruiters putting people in. This forces recruiters to lie and cheat.
i wouldn't say force but it is exploitative, you can still say no even if it doesen't feel like you can
@@circleinforthecube5170 Yea that's true. I'm not saying all recruiters lie and giving it justification. I'm saying the ones that do lie and cheat, usually do so for the quality of life of staying off the zero-rollers list.
Corruption in the military is very real and does a lot of damage. Amazing interview as always.
Corruption in the government is the real problem imo.
Bad people are all around us, in every place and kind of job, but the amount of power that a few rotten apples hold inside a powerful institution is enough to break trust in the entire thing
@@jubisvaldo5450 This. People watch videos like this having no experience in the military and it jades their opinion on the military as a whole. I can say the things he talks about in this video are very real, but they’re also misconflated. Not everyone in combat arms does steroids, I was a combat arms and I wouldn’t even know where to get it. Personally, I hate videos like this but you do what you do.
@@ericlane3256 well if they don’t do steroids they give you the shot in the army anyway, and anti-white hatred lessons as well.
@@anglishbookcraft1516 we had one extremism brief after the Capitol riot, since then I haven’t heard a word.
people who haven’t tried or haven’t joined the military don’t understand, lmao. military recruiters can and will tell you to lie they’ll tell you to falsify documents it’s insane. they won’t get in trouble for it either, hate them with a passion.
yeah thats my main anti millitary talking point. The whole thing is dogma, and the proof is the fact every time minimum wage goes up in an army target town the recruitment levels fall
They tell you to lie because the old ass doctors will try to disqualify you for something dumb like going to rehab or having a minor surgery 10 years ago.
@@klidthelid8361 and if youve had these things the military doesnt see you fit to join. They tell you to lie because they want to recriut more people because its profitable for them
@@sirentyper4457 there’s no such thing as “the military”, It’s a massive collection of interests and motivations from millions of people. The doctors at meps want to disqualify you, the recruiters want you to get in nomatter what. 90% of the time it’s prior drug use that they tell u to hide, because why should anyone care about what you did before the military. I just don’t see how after watching this video you can blame the recruiters for trying to push kids past the bullshit from higher up
@@sirentyper4457 also recruiting troops is not “profitable”, they are actually insanely expensive to train, but they are valuable assets
I remember somebody in our unit offed himself in his car at his shop's parking lot. Command thought it would be a good idea to have his blood splattered car displayed in front of the Command Post for everyone to walk by to remind us what suicide looks like. Way to help our retention rate..
Well that's certainly one way to uh remind you suicide affects other people....
Jfc man. Hopefully you’re in a good spot man. We had someone in our unit bang themselves in their dorm room from the ceiling fan. Was wild time being in. I missed it after getting out and just trying to figure out which step to take with my gi bill.
"Eat Taco Bell again...eat all these good foods again."
Definitely a certain kind of person drawn to the marines. I think there is a lot of research lacking in the addictive effects of adrenaline, especially in cases like this.
ho ho ho! there's not a lack of research, i promise you.
What else would marketers or advertisers have to go on if not that?
I saw an article about the military having issues with finding new recruits. I think this might be a part of it
I'm sure it has nothing to do with Biden leaving so many people behind.
@@iam1smiley1 The disastrous pullout of Afghanistan certainly didn't help, but I wouldn't consider it to be the primary factor
@@CaptainHeadcrab seems to me it is a major major factor. Who wants to join a military that completely fails and then holds no one accountable and never admits it??
@@prancer1803Oh c'mon now... people haven't wanted to enlist for a long time, long before the pullout of Afghanistan. The reason recruitment numbers have fallen over the years is because of the US fighting a seemingly endless war with unclear goals in the middle east. Spending 20 years and trillions of dollars fighting in Afghanistan is what made people weary to join, not a single military decision that happened under a president you don't happen to like.
Honestly, I'd like to know what you think should have been done differently in Afghanistan. Were we supposed to stay there another 20 years? If so, to do what, exactly? Were we supposed to take/destroy all of the US equipment and leave the Afghan Army defenseless?
I'd say that we absolutely should have evacuated more people, especially the Afghans who worked closely with the US military over the years. Other than that, I can't think of a way of pulling out that wouldn't end in total disaster. If we had taken/destroyed all of the Afghan Army's US-made and donated equipment, then people would have blamed that for the Taliban taking over so quickly.
It's kind of a "fucked if you do, fucked if you don't" situation if you think about it for more than a minute. It's awful that so much US equipment fell into the hands of militants, but that war absolutely needed to come to an end. Plus, we have bigger fish to fry, like potential future conflicts with Russia and/or China.
@@nickamodio721 it should have come to an end 5-10 years ago. I think 5-10 years ago people on the ground knew it was a waste… and basically a lost cause. And the diplomats actually knew, and lower level military people knew… but it was all swept under the rug with no accountability.
Should we have stayed there longer? No probably not. However, I think decisions and transparency should have been way, way better over the last 5-10 years and we wouldn’t have had this disaster of a pullout to begin with.
If you haven’t watched it, you need to watch ‘what winning looks like’ produced by vice news here ok UA-cam, from maybe 4-5 years ago. I think it’s the most honest and complete look at Afghanistan from an American policy perspective.
and they wonder why they have the such low recruitment numbers in over 50 years...
Also the shot mandate is a huge factor.
@@anglishbookcraft1516 dude the military has mandated vaccines for fucking decades. They still give out vaccines for shit that civilians don’t get.
Huge factor
I about fell on the floor when he referenced the "Masons" and their own set of rules. So true.
Free masons are in the army
yeah, that really hit home & explains ALOT
I was in the Air Force, aircraft maintenance. I joined in 2006 and got out in 2014. I almost talked my cousin into joining but she started telling me that the recruiter (AF) wanted her to start wearing shorter skirts to the recruiting office. Told her to gtfo & not join. JFC, I still shudder thinking about that..... You are spot on about leadership not giving a **** . My career field, aircraft maintenance, was #1 in the Air Force for suicide. You are 100% correct that they do not care. They push people to their absolute breaking points & when they finally snap, they pretend that they don't know how it could have happened. As ****ed up as this sounds , the only way they will listen is if the job / squadron gets shot up. They don't care if you off yourself, but they have to pay attention if they're in the crosshairs. Bunch of narcissistic ****s..... . Not advocating for this to happen but these are ppl that only care about themselves & there are barely any real avenues to get the attention of ppl like that .
Anyway, I'm glad you made this video. I almost did not watch it because youtube is full of **** most of the time & I thought that this might be a Russian psyop, but yeah, what you said, is 100% spot on. I sincerely believe that we were the last generation of kids / young men that can be easily duped into fighting stupid , long, protracted wars. Gen Z and everyone after them has the internet and videos like these that can help them sus things out. Anyways, thats my spiel for tonight. Ty for keeping it real, peace
I never knew the details about Vanessa Guillen. Thoroughly sickened and horrified that the military would go though such lengths to hide that event to protect their own reputation
You have no idea
And that's just what they do to us, imagine what they did in iraq and and Vietnam to the natives .
And thats just their own people. What about what they did overseas
Their reputation is international. It makes sense why they would go through all that to hide things, but it's no less absolutely rotten to the core.
Korean military is exactly like that. Sweeping up accidents, suicides and other things under the rug
Seems like militaries are all the same no matter the flag
"Hey kid, remember World War 2? Wasn't that great? Don't you wanna be JUST like those guys on the boats at that beach? Then join the Army!"
[one failed incursion later]
"Ooohhh, sorry, guess that didn't work out like we thought! Oh well!"
[uncle sam walks off with truckloads of cash, leaving hundreds of mangled, traumatized adults in their late 20s-early 30s]
Uncle Sam is mainly just a funnel. Most of the money goes to manufacturers of all the various things the military uses. Oh and don’t forget the politicians that setup the contracts for those large corporations to make money from the government.
I am so sad from blowing up goat farmers with JDAMs and doing black ops raids to destabilize governments unfriendly to the petrol dollar currency reserve wahhhh :((((
@@jw5931 Well..yeah.
A lot of people are recruited thanks to a constant bombardment of propaganda only to drilled to be obedient slaves, serve the masters of global currency to slaughter people just trying to defend their homes at the end feeling hollow being disillusioned or worse, being fully aware of everything they've done.
WWII was a crime against humanity.
And the perpetrator was the Allies.
Yes the us gov gained money from afghan lol
I’m a Recruiter and this man ain’t telling no lies… I hate seeing how some recruiters become harassers and don’t get it when a kid female or make say “No I’m not interested “. I’ve had to tell other recruiters to fall back its so clear that they have no interest. I always tell anyone I talk to that it’s a life changing choice and that you have to really know this is what you want to do. I’ve heard of recruits committing suicide because the lifestyle change was too drastic, these kids today ain’t built the same as when I was coming up. Gotta be honest with these folks. 💯
Its better to be honest up front than to lie and face the consequences later. How can anyone trust the military if the recruiters themselves lie.
I’m retired Army. Was Drill Sergeant qualified, Airborne with a CIB. My daughter considered joining… until the recruiter wouldn’t stop pushing… I finally had to go in there with my 214 and shut him down.
When I enlisted in the infantry I wish someone had told me what would happen…I’m not the same person I was. I wish I had picked any other job. But I was 17 and the rangers sounded badass.
Did you make it into the Ranger Regiment?
I just graduated and this sounds exactly what I’m thinking I wanna get a ranger contract but after seeing these comments and vid I got a lot to think about, what was your experience?
@@rileyschubert if you still want to do it, don't sign unless the recruiter can point out, on the contract, where it says you have the Option 40.
Always read the fine print !!!
Recruiters are so manipulative. One started contacting me and I said very point blank “I am not interested in joining the military at all, ever” and he still pushed that he had a job opportunity for me that fit that description and he wanted me to come to the office to discuss it, he wouldn’t really explain. I was confused thinking maybe like “a different gov job???” even though that doesn’t make much sense. But then I looked up what he was talking about and it was just the reserves.
I wasn't even out if the airforce yet and a few army recruiters somehow got my emails and phone number.
I just ignored them and they stopped following up.
@@melelconquistador I wasn't even in the airforce and yet a few army recruiters somehow got my emails and phone number. I flat out told the guy that I wasn't interested until there's a real threat to America and he said "Okay." and hung up.
@@MK_ULTRA420 I was working at Walmart out of highschool when the recruiter started talking to me. Then another one. And another. Then they started coming in a group. I left that job and went to another retail job. The same group found me and literally started surrounding me in the aisle way. I kept telling then no. Then eventually I told them to go to hell and they finally stopped. Its all intimidation and grooming.
@@silence19999that’s weird as fuck and crazy unprofessional
20:33 this is one of the biggest issues across all branches. service members are treated so poorly that they cant retain personnel. with less and less personnel, leadership pushes more and more work at the lower levels. this shit turns you into a zombie, a drone, a mindless machine going through the motions. the sad part is our senior military leaders are befuddled why they cant retain or recruit...
if you're reading this and you're thinking about joining, DON'T!!! please for the love of god, if you value your existence on this earth, don't join an organization who doesn't give a shit about you.
I haven't gotten that far but am interested in your comment cuz I had the exact same experience at Ralph's grocery. Employees were kinda treated like whatever by bosses and bitchy customers and they never kept anybody. So one guy would have to learn 3 or 4 different departments and cover shifts all the time. Constantly being badgered into coming in on days off. Stuff like that. It never ended. They never kept anybody and the ones who stayed were totally rude and on your case about any little thing. They try to force 'diversity' into everything too and it just doesn't work. One person feels like someone else is racist so they quit. I personally hated having women bosses. It never seemed like they truly took things seriously. They often made little remarks about Employees where it was unnecessary or wouldn't say it to the employees face. In my department I'd always hear from someone how terrible I had done or they thought I was and I'd think oh they complained about you too that way. My manager was afraid and told me one day he was considering leaving cuz the economy is so bad no one wants to work there. The place was hanging together by threads. On the shoulders of a few men who hated life. This dude Mike was there all the time stocking shelves. He had weird ticks and sometimes I would watch a little when a npc customer would get in his way to find their gay soda or whatever. Totally different place but still in shambles
I could go on and on. They even asked me to become a manager after maybe a year. Managers would come and go too
@@Jeff-zx6rt i think thats a bit better off than the army, retail sucks but its not that bad bro
This makes me thankful for the recruiter I got. SFC Rogers. He got in as a cook and then became a Ranger and got deployed with the 75th. Became a recruiter his last 2 years in the army and genuinely took his job seriously. I reached out to him my junior year of high school and he was very patient letting me know I needed to graduate. I was 17 and my parents could sign for me and they did. At 18 I finally took the asvab and scored a 65 and had a huge list of jobs to choose from. And almost every combat job I asked him about he would tell me “Not really a good idea. Listen, right now we’re in peacetime and there’s no need for all these young men picking these combat jobs. They’ll just have you outside in the rain mopping when they’re not training you to be a mindless killer. How about you pick one of the mechanics or technician jobs. Good sign on bonuses and these types of job almost all the time they let you keep them instead of pulling you out and putting you in a different mos.” He would also tell me lots of stories of his time in the army and how much different it was then vs now. He really looked out for me, I never felt like he was just trying to meet quotas. His family lived with him in the same city he recruited out of. He would check in on me. Take me out to eat and we’ll talk more about what I would experience. He’d tell me it’s nothing like the movies and to always expect the worst. He even told me that based on his experience and the things he’d seen, while homeless veterans are an issue in this country, don’t feel bad for all of them. Some of them do it to themselves. The army gives them an opportunity and they fuck it up themselves. And then there are those that got fucked over by the country. It’s “Thank you for your service, now leave” type of shit. All in all my recruiter helped me out a lot and the best thing is I always reached out to him, he never made me feel uncomfortable and like he was stalking me. He would text me how I’m doing but that’s as far as it would go.
i can gladly say that my recruiter kept everything 100% with me and luckily for me was a real down to heart human being, a year into active duty i love my job and everything my recruiter told me was true, always do your own research and see how everything really is yourself, LOVE the video man keep it up.
i love this story, being a honest recruiter being real may be better in the long run to recruit people into the military.
In my local area, the JROTC instructor got caught sleeping with Students. Yes, plural. I always thought their parties in HS were a bit too sexual. Explains a lot tbh
Niiice
Good thing JROTC is not the military.
@@ericlane3256 the instructors are retired military.
@@christiannipales9937 retired military is not the military
@@scootcha Youre pretty dense if youre forgetting the context of revealing a dark side of military culture.
Like, I'll level with you. Taking your point at face value. okay, youre just calling grass green. Its still indicative of people who were in the military and prying on young people.
Big thanks Syrmor for the time and work you put into giving people a voice and presenting it in such a wonderful, easy to absorb manner.
My Uncle found a USB with evidence that his wife (who was army) was running a sex ring for upper enlisted and officers in Afghanistan. This was during the troop surge under Obama I can't imagine the damage it would've done to public support of the war if the story got out. It convinced me not to join because the government didn't care they just swept it under the rug. I'm not sure the story got any media coverage because I've been unable to find any info on it. All I know is that the government disbanded the unit and threw my Uncles wife in prison.
Who the fuck keeps evidence of a sex ring on a USB drive? Was the wife keeping Excel sheets or something? Did she have them file paperwork?
1-66th AR?
It's no surprise that the government doesn't really care.. there are people in the government that know of and/or are part of sex rings (mostly child sex rings).
@@gabesmith8331prolly blackmail if it involves officersm
@@gabesmith8331For blackmail to use later on.
When I was in high school a large majority of my friends went and joined the marines. As a result their recruiter messaged me on Facebook trying to get me to join. I told him I wasn't intreasted. The next day he messaged me again telling me to noon and that I owe it to my grandparents who are veterans. So that means he looked my my family to try and essentially black mail me. I told hit to never contact me again and blocked him.
He fell in love with chu 😍
I graduated high school in 2021 and I’ve been working and I hate it, I was thinking of looking into the military, wanting direction while making money, but that quote he talked about really hit home, I’m not sure what to do, I’m interested in the navy or Air Force but I don’t want to be asked to do things that I don’t agree with.
Edit: I really like how you keep the interruptions in these videos, shows the human side even with the dark topics.
Being told to do things you don't want to is literally a soldiers job to die for betterment of others you are sacrificing yourself and given rewards everytime you get close to death...it's productive amazing for saved soldiers by soon to be purple heart awarded soldiers but it isn't great for the person who is rewarded purple heart...you can't put yourself in danger all the time and think you will assuredly survive to do more heroic feats for long...
Talk to someone you trust, not some dumbass drinking buddy but someone you respect
Honestly bro, you probably have some friends in the military and i would ask them how they feel. Like im in currently and there's good and bad things about it. If anyone wants more info, hmu
If you feel like it's a path forward for you then go ahead guy. I made the leap and despite what a lot of these stories tell you, this isn't all of the military. What you end up doing really depends on your job choice. You could be anywhere from a desk jockey to a gunner or ammunitions specialist or anything in between if you get a high enough score on your ASVAB test.
In terms of versatility of job choice though, the Navy or Air Force are definitely the best choices. They are also the most promising for education opportunities and skills you can actually take out of your time in service.
The important thing to get the job you want though is to 1) Get a good ASVAB score and 2) Try not to be tricked by your recruiter. Remember, they have no power over you until you sign that dotted line. Theres also plenty of info out there for your personal benefit on every job you could think of (aside from the top secret ones). Recruiters just don't point anyone there really because they need more people doing the jobs no one wants to do.
Is there risk involved? Yes, Will you sometimes have to do some shitty and unfun things? Yes, but (speaking from personal experience) theres all kinds of cool people youll meet and interesting things you can experience. I've met friends who I know will be friends for life by joining the AF. Ive been places and seen cool shit I never would've seen otherwise. There's honestly no harm in just talking to a recruiter either honestly. Remember, you are the man in charge right up until you raise your right hand and swear that oath. Just shooting the shit with a recruiter and asking some questions isnt a commitment by any means.
P.S. Sorry for the wall of text, I just figured I would give my side of the conversation to see if I could help you out in some way with your choice.
Edit: Do be careful with recruiters though. A lot of what people say in this comment section is sadly true. Some are real dirtbags, and some are great people. It really depends
@@meh6513 you arent seeing the reailty of "current war" and doing things you dont want to. like in the air force u think oh they just fly around or sit on base or control drones. well a lot of the time "soldiers" are ordered to send drone missiles to places with high possibility of innocent casualties and its say no and get dishonrabraly discharged or murder innocent with the excuse of "doing ones job". you are sacrificining your own morality so the us can have more oil. it proven throught multiple sources that the us helped afghan figh against russia so they could get oil. it all comes down to oil. the us has murdered so many for oil and a few terrorist attacks does not equate at all to the number of inncoent lives the us has taken.
Dude I REMEMBER when my recruiter from the Marines would visit me and call me. I remember thinking that there was something OFF about it all and literally felt like God was protecting me from the military. It was such a weird experience for me.
…what?
@not a human well actually God gives us our natural intuition... So yeah it was definitely God.
@@ironstone_ or the biology ; )
"Young men die to fight an old man's war."
Thanks for sharing! The way things are worded is where it’s at for me, on top of his voice, like my mental picture maker is on fire! Definitely sharing this video!
back in the 90s, I had recruiter stalk me - I finally just told him - Unless you can guarantee me on paper that I will end up as a press/photographer after basic, I am not interested in any way shape or form. My father (a Vietnam vet) had to threaten to get the cops involved.
Oh wow I have a terrible story about my marine recruiters.
My friend called me up looking to see if I'd go to a recruiting office with him across the street and we'd both get a free promotion once we join. I decided I had nothing better to do since I got a 92 on the asvab and I didn't have a high enough GPA to get free college. Off the bat he promises me a job as a law assistant or something which I knew was probably bs so I told him that my main problems were that I smoked weed and had been in a car accident as a child. He told me that when I go to meps to tell them that the scar on my nose was from a baseball, not report any former injuries, and to take niacin pills and go on sprints yo get the weed out my system. All in all I can say that I had almost had a heatstroke in the middle of that sprint as the niacin pills induced a high fever. He wanted me to just lie and oversweat all of it and on top of that he stalked me and trespassed inside of my house multiple times with no permission. He even walked inside my friends house once just looking for me. The man was a complete scum bag and a piss poor excuse of the ideal marine. I was just another check in his quotas.
the red flags for me was the same recruiter throughout high school did a few things that were very odd, like he was trying desperately to hit some quota for recruit numbers:
1) saw me walking to school with a friend and offered to give us a ride while out of uniform
2) interrupted me walking back to class from the restroom to try and talk about opportunities in the army
3) took me out of class after he heard I got a 88 on the asvab with a perfect score in the electronics section to congratulate me and give me free army merch
4) got my personal cell number (I assume from the school) and tried to get me to sign up for some information session
5) Tried to get some other contact information after I scored well on some physical portion of a test they were doing in my phys ed class.
It was really weird and all the recruiters in the area had stories that followed them around that were similar to my expirience.
I enlisted when I was 22, I wanted nothing to do with recruiters in High school and avoided them like the plague. I decided if I joined I'd do my own research and make my own decisions, very glad I did. I had a lot of peers who were 18-19 who echoed a lot of that shit
So you joined it? How was it
Best experience of my life so far. Joined at 20. Been 4 years now. Met the greatest people of my life. Plenty of opportunities inside and outside. Recruiters lie, they tell you to lie, because it helps their numbers/quota, but there is a benefit for you to do it too, if you do it.
There are no excuses for the shitty recruiters that do the gross stuff, though.
Sincerely believe that for the young men that feel lost and directionless. Join the military. It's full of experiences. Good and bad people, of course.
It's all about the job you choose.
Almost as alarming as them reaching out to already separated vets trying to get them back in because the military is severely undermanned after purging nonvaxxed service members.
Or the IRR guys too.
You mean they gave then the option to not get the vaccine? And those who declined were discharged? Surely not
Friend told me before he was booted over the Vax mandates that if you were entering DIA or FI, you were given exemptions 💀
Weird that only intel community persons got universal exemptions whereas everyone else including SF dudes were required to get the jab
I hope you interview a woman from the military one day. I’d like to hear her experiences. Many of them experience sexual harassment, abuse, exploitation, neglect when calling out for help, etc.
Many of them? That is a lie. It’s one thing to want to hear what it’s like to be a woman in a male dominated service, especially a combat organization, but to suggest that many women are being neglected is complete bullshit.
From countless first hand accounts, my own as well, I can say that women are often a liability on long marches and in any high stressful situations marring a few really tough ones. Many end up “getting around” and then have the audacity to say they are harassed. Truth is that women should not being hanging around young sex-starved bored out of their minds men.
@@anglishbookcraft1516 it’s not even just that, it’s no secret people date in the workplace. Pretty much all the females were getting hitched at their units. Even saw one in a wedding dress at the barracks. Army’s a weird place to find love but whatever.
@@ericlane3256 It's not about love, for them it's all about the sexploitation of men.
@@anglishbookcraft1516 truth is there shouldn't be an issue with women hanging out with "young sex starved bored out of their minds men" in the first place
holy shit i just realized his VR character is the kid snatcher. poetic for a recruiter.
I was so close to joining the Airforce. I was with the recruiters was totally going to full send it. I had a dream I would die pointlessly and backed down last minute at the recruiters big disappointment. Life is still a mess but I feel like I made the right decision.
Air Force is probably the least shitty, you actually get treated somewhat well, that being said, you're still subject to bullshit
I almost got dragged into the Marines by the marine recruiter and I had no interest in the military he had me take the asvab and I took the asvab at MEPS in Los Angeles for a 57 score and they offer me a mechanic job. I was still in community college at the time so that was not the best time for me to do anything like this. I did not want my education to be interrupted by something like this. I honestly don't know how this recruiter got a hold of my phone number. I eventually called the recruiter after everything was said and done and politely declined the offer for the Marines. I have to thank my late grandfather in law for telling me not sign my name on anything otherwise I'm screwed. He was a flight engineer or the marines working on the F4U Corsair in Korean war during the 1950s.
That's rough. I'm a civilian / never served, so someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I believe you can sign the contract and still legally can back out entirely free of consequence up until you step onto the bus to ship to basic.
@@ayron419 I didn't join but for close
@@btrdangerdan2010 sorry I should have clarified, I only commented that in case there's someone who did sign and is second guessing it currently :)
I work in mental health. I am also a mom of 4 and in grad school. The part that hit home was where you said they had to work 6am to 10pm and never got to see their families. I know from experience how much that can mess you up. Even more so in a military culture because you have experiences from deployment to deal with too. I almost went into the navy. I was one of the ones who backed out after MEPS and swearing in. I got a really bad feeling. This was in ‘97. Sometimes I wonder how things would have played out.
Good on you for backing out. No one needs to put themselves through this torture. I've had a lot of pre-military program experience (military school & ROTC) and I had enough of the military before even joining. So glad I decided not to. I'm not a pawn for the government I'm a human being and I won't have idiot with no morality tell me where I belong.
Best of wishes for you and your family
I wanted to join the Navy or Army when I graduated HS…visited several recruiters, aced the ASVAB yet kept being turned away because I took a pill for my high blood pressure. Crushed me. Now seeing what out whole military has turned into, I’m glad.
I met a navy recruiter 3 times, passed all the tests and the last thing he did was the string around the waist and it was an inch short. He said "sorry buddy can't take you" with kind of a smug smile. Fast forward 3 months exactly and 9/11 happens . I got calls and texts every day for months. Thanks but no thanks.
Please never stop these interviews. I love the format so much.
Being in the military was some of the worst years of my life.
When I get out, I'm gonna chop it up to a 20 year long bad dream.
Bro same I can’t wait to be out of the army
I'm sorry to hear that
Thank you for the truth, and thank you syrmore for this channel!
The void he’s talking about is very true. I was a 31B so a Military Police officer, it’s a combat MOS and nothing legal will make me feel the same again. It’s dark but it’s life.
"Is there good things that can come from the army, absolutely, its provided me a great life." as he just finished describing how he's dead inside and most of his army friends have either overdosed or become victims of suicide.
lowkey sounds like hes trying to convince himself, not symor. scary.
That's army brainwash programming for you, even when someone knows that it's a shitty, godawful hellhole of a pit, they'll still say "Yeah it was good" because that training and mental manipulation is still there. They are told from sunrise to sunset "If you survive, that's the best outcome you're gonna get" regardless of the internal losses it takes to get there. Being military means you sell your soul to become part of a machine. Don't be surprised that when your piece is removed, there's still programming in it.
Civilian life isn't always necessarily better. Civilians have to deal with traffic and long commutes. Depending on their career, it may be unstable, and there may be times where they are out of a job and have to go job hunting and applying for a hundred jobs and get no offer. Civilian jobs too have leadership that don't care about anything but the bottom line. I was with the Army reserves when I was doing my PhD, and in a lot of ways, I felt like it was better in the reserves. They made sure we ate and had access too food, even if it is MRE's. I did what the mission required, and did it with a team, whereas in a PhD I was basically doing all the work and there was always more work than can be done. During my Army days, I would always manage to brush my teeth and shower before going to bed. During my PhD days, there were a lot of days where I would get so tired that I fall asleep before brushing my teeth, and I would feel gross the next day.
@@cryora that sounds like more of a problem with suburban american planning regarding traffic, we have poor public transport
I do the same weird thing when I talk about my service with my mom :(
yo! Everyone who lives in the US needs to listen to what this man is saying. this exposes so much about why we are fucked up
Lol you made your bed and supported the system that supports sick shit for the purpose of “advancement” welcome to the game grab your spear and fight or read a book and hope others follow either way we’re screwed
the whole world is fucked
This is frankly most militaries.
@@baneofbanes no its not. And that doesn't make it okay either. You're the "best country in the world" so act like it.
@@vixen878 hard to take you serious when you have the hammer and sickle
I honestly love these interviews
This man speaking facts. I got out of the Army due to BH reasons and I can't even finish this video because it's bringing back awful memories
The scariest part about recruiters is that they know the exact kinds of people to scout and snatch as future soldiers, Marines, sailors, airman etc. Coming from a military brat who has lived on bases for 15 years and having spent 3 years in AFJROTC, we military brats are either popular or somewhat okay individuals or mentally screwed kids who have had parents divorced or have never even seen any form of physical activity but want to join the military in the future. Many of the kids I was with in my ROTC class are incredibly unusual, like kids who used to do Fortnite emotes, or are on the spectrum to a degree, for example, a dude who should've graduated two years ago but has the mind of a freshman would and is always wearing a whole rucksack to school, multiple custom designed morale patches, and at a time wore an entire ghillie suit and walked around on base. Don't even get me started on officer sons and daughters, as some tend to act like they are better than everyone else due to their dad being a higher rank and having better benefits than those of a master sergeant. There was always a saying of how "Rank dont mean sh*t outside the classroom", and some of those people should've honestly regarded that statement. Some kids were practical MP's (military police) in the hallways where if they saw even the slightest infraction, such as a dude wearing a uniform and holding hands with his girlfriend, the MP kid would run to tell the instructors. All in all though, military brats have been in a way, conditioned for service and this immense sense of patriotism, which although not entirely bad, some kids refuse to acknowledge some wrong doings by the military, and may actively or forcefully defend their opinion on the matter. Recruiters know these exact people want to join no matter the cost, and tend to pray on those so fixated on the military as a full 20 year career rather than those simply trying to pay for college and such.
Why wouldn’t they? Of course a ROTC kid is gonna be easier to recruit than someone just looking for a job
Reading this legitimately made me feel like I was in the Twilight Zone. I was in jrtc for all four years of high school, and when I say this described every kid that ever took the class, I mean that with every word. They weren't bad kids by any means, but they certainly weren't normal, coming off is kind of dorky but overall good kids with bad social skills. We also had a kid that wore military style clothing to school every single day, and it kind of weirded me out hearing that there was someone like that at your base. I suspect he was on the spectrum, because he never spoke a word and always responded with just a smile. He didn't sleep on a bed, he slept on a rack or in a sleeping bag, had a ghillie suit and every piece of military gear a civilian could buy. Every kid had the same plan, to go into the military, specifically the Air Force, for 20 years for that half paycheck we were all promised. I was blessed to have a major that wouldn't lie to us and warned us about recruiters, but it wasn't the same way at the other schools in my County. When we would compete against the other squadrons, we would hear stories about how some of the seniors would sign up for going into the army or Marines, and one by one they would start dropping like flies whether it be from suicide or drugs. My major described military recruiters as Predators who know exactly what to look for, specifically, kids just like the ones that he was teaching, and that's why he advised us to take him along with them before they signed any paperwork from the recruiters, which obviously the recruiters hated. Looking back on it now, I'm lucky that I had someone like him for that advice. Lots of other kids aren't so fortunate, and find out when they're laying face down in a ditch
Bro when I say this described my whole ROTC experience I mean that shit. I honestly joined the navy afterwards and yeah, it’s kinda bs but I only got like a year and a half left so🤷🏾♂️
very, very well stated, OP
Damn, as a senior enlisted in the air force (ANG specifically). You just described it to a t. I'm one of those hoping for 20 years but yea. The marine recruiters are stalkers period. The army will drown you in paperwork to hind how bad they whould screw ya (you know they will mention college). Navy guys were cool. Airforce was nonexistent.
My advice: talk to each and everyone, and don't be ashamed to let them know it. Go in with what you want to do, if you don't, or want something unreasonable. You going to get screwed.
Incredible, very insightful. I especially loved as well what he said to the world about maintaining your integrity. I so whole heartedly agree with the sentiment. The world isn't worth sacrificing your integrity for
What a curious channel. Popped up in my feed randomly. Glad I found it!
Thought about joining the military when I was leaving HS. My father had served in Iraq and Afghanistan and told me to talk to his army buddies instead of the recruiter.
So, He introduced me to some of the guys from his engineering battalion.
Long story short, they all told me I shouldn't join because based on their impression of me I was more likely to get court marshalled or dishonorably discharged than promoted
(In retrospect they were probably right lol I've always had a rebellious personality, not that it's ever done me any favors but I can't help it, I stand up for what I believe in.)
lol most of the family I have that was in the army was dishonorable discharge so I tired joining and I thought to my self lmao what if I just end up getting dishonorable discharge as well lol the one thing my family and the people who got dishonorable discharges is we don’t like rules 😂😂 and can be crazy too
Not only is this pretty bad, but we actively support this as taxpayers and citizens in the US
This is a pretty extreme case and I personally don’t believe that he’s experienced this himself all during his time in the military. There’s good people as well as bad people in the military and commenters hyperfixating on the negative really diminishes the good people do in the military.
@@ericlane3256 your statement is accurate. It's easy to hyper focus on the negative without realizing that the stories we just heard are rare.
And just think, if you're a White guy, you're literally subsidizing the existence of "people" who hate you and would love nothing more than to see you dead in a ditch from torture, starvation, or simply being shot.
You're forced to. You have to fund your own genocide.
We'll all be gone by 2100.
Thank you so much to the person here for coming forward about all this… This is so fucked up and it’s insane that all this tolerated abuse isn’t being federally discussed more.
Lmfao. The federal government doesnt give a rats ass about anything other then lining their pockets and covering up their crimes. People need to stop doing evil acts for demonic organizations. People dont have the ability to see through the surface layer of everything. The most powerful organizations are all corrupt. The world is literally ran by mafias with crazy technology and organization.
Rest in peace to all of those unnamed victims who had their lives taken by those they trusted the most...smh...
Most especially the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty.
@@LobotomyTCfellow knower???
@@joshtoncray9882 Everyone should know.
Much better format for these videos you finally got in my recommended again missed these videos, give me so much insight tbh.
This channel needs more
recognition
I was forced into a shitty job. My juniors all ran a drug ring. I saw 5 suicides. Our equipment was so old and shitty that it literally killed people but command fought tooth and nail to keep it in service to keep their jobs.
I hate when people rip on the military for being babykillers for oil companies or whatever because it’s ignorant of the real issues that very much exist.
the military are babykillers for oil companies, AND use underhanded morally bankrupt tactics to recruit. There's a reason why so many veterans commit suicide and why most countries despise the u.s.
@@eragonfreedman9228 Where was the oil in Afghanistan?
You are baby killer for oil companies just because you equipment is shit doesn't mean you didn't bomb that wedding
@@arcblooper2699 there was 98% of the entire world’s opium production.
@@hegaliandialectics4289 Why would we invade an entire country for that when the CIA could just buy a bigass farm?
I was looking for loop holes in his story. I couldn't find any. He's pretty spot on.
I’m a veteran. Hearing another soldier’s story is good. This guy has similar experiences as I did. I had a different job but his story feels familiar to me. Thanks for sharing.
“I’m so… empty.” I didn’t realize I already felt that way before I joined but the military can definitely make you realize that. One more year left. Know the crazy thing about the military? It’s still really fun. When I get pooped out I’m nervous and scared to see how I end up. Just try and surround yourself with loving people.
You'll be fine, bro. You just gotta have a plan. Read all you can about the rules of using your GI Bill bennies. Remember that it's not forever. There are LOTS of forums and online communities of vets who can help you with info and answer your questions.
"""THE""" mission might be over, but your own mission is only starting.
@@AB0BA_69 I got a lot of love for your comment man. Trying to do TAP, fighting for a torn PCL from 1 yr 8 mo ago and how my back is jacked from limping, talking to USO for Pathfinder and also Skillbridge. My section is toxic and I am the only one that knows my job and the one who actually gets along with the entire division. They are going to push me until I leave and I am going to fucking do it. Mission first, I still have time to be selfish. Graduating AMU with an assoc. in Networking and Telecommunication (3.9 GPA!) this year and plan on going to a college for computer science with the GI. It’s just fucking scary bro. I’m not letting this place break me. I’m not letting my toxic leadership ruin my fellow lower enlisted careers or motivation. I’m not quitting on them until the day I ETS because that’s what leaders fucking do. My mother has Alzheimer’s and she is slipping. I’m going to go be a soldier and leader for her. I just wish I had the same when I joined.
Love from The Hood.
@@justanothergrunt9053 as a civilian… good luck to you. Just remember that education is key so just stay with it computer science is a good degree field I think.
@@prancer1803 thanks a ton man. It’ll buff. I know I have to fight for it and it will be okay. Uncertainty is a bitch though.
Have a solid plan my bro. It really is rough if things dont work out. Have. A . Plan. Nobody gives a fuck about you being a vet. That shit doesnt get you jobs. Ask me how I know.
I just got out. I’ll tell y’all when he says that when you leave you have a void in you for the rest of your civilian life. It’s true, nothing feels real
It gets better man.
You’re a slick sleeve
As a civilian, I already feel this way. Does this mean I join the Air Force?
This is probably the realest video I’ve watched about the military I was in the military but had to leave due to a prior medical condition that I told my recruiter about but they insisted that I kept it on the low when I went to Meps I was young and in a vulnerable state once I got in I immediately saw the army for what it was I saw that they didn’t care about you as a person your just a number on a list and they will do anything it takes to make that list keep growing
bless you dad. I love you, and you gave parts of your soul to make it out of that hell hole. I see it in you, when you talk to me sometimes about your army days. I love you dad, I hope things weren't as fucked up for you 😖